Alot of Developers have bought this phone!! development for Xperia T / TX and V is going to be good! so far we have 2 elite developers 2 recog developers,, correct me if i am wrong
FXP have 4 members
Bin4ry, Defer, Kali, Jerpelea
Codeworkx!
Tilal6991 too for paranoid android
Gok for kernel is gonna be beast.
Lol @ 4. Good start but not exactly a lot. Yet.
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Not to doubt or anything but, what is Sony support looking like? I know dev support often is limited by the manufacturer. This isn't exactly the most active section either. Will having devs draw people in? Or will lack of people pull devs away?
Strong chance I'm getting the att version (TL) but, I will admit to being worried about lack of support after a year and having a year left one contract with no official support and lack of dev support because something flashier came out.
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Not to doubt or anything but, what is Sony support looking like? I know dev support often is limited by the manufacturer. This isn't exactly the most active section either. Will having devs draw people in? Or will lack of people pull devs away?
Strong chance I'm getting the att version (TL) but, I will admit to being worried about lack of support after a year and having a year left one contract with no official support and lack of dev support because something flashier came out.
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well this is my first sony device, but looks promising, if sony stays open and doesn't screw up like samsung did, even if they are on updates, we'll have CM team for regural updates. actually, i hope this is first device i'll have for more than a year.
we'll see.
Sent from my Xperia T
Snow_fox said:
Not to doubt or anything but, what is Sony support looking like? I know dev support often is limited by the manufacturer. This isn't exactly the most active section either. Will having devs draw people in? Or will lack of people pull devs away?
Strong chance I'm getting the att version (TL) but, I will admit to being worried about lack of support after a year and having a year left one contract with no official support and lack of dev support because something flashier came out.
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Support is looking good for devs to get started and this can be seen from the speed CM10 has become available and is progressing on this device. I don't see the lack of activity in this forum as a bad thing and for a dev it's a good thing because they're not hassled every 2 mins with the same repeated support questions or for ETA's (don't do it ). Devs don't choose devices because they're popular, they choose them because they're good to work on and because they personally like the device as remember this is a hobby after all. I for one, if I do get this phone will hope for it to remain as one of the quieter forums but once people start finishing their contracts I can see it attracting a number of people. I finish mine end of this month so that's when I'll be choosing but that choice is based on how easy it'll be to work with as I like to have a play with compiling myself but only for myself really.
I actually chose this device precisely hoping that it wouldn't become too popular. It becomes crazy when people start almost harassing you for a release.
With a less popular device its much more fun.
^aha your right
hello developer!
i think xperia t will get popular because it is the bond phone and the tx looks great in terms of design so it will get popular
Snow_fox said:
Not to doubt or anything but, what is Sony support looking like? I know dev support often is limited by the manufacturer. This isn't exactly the most active section either. Will having devs draw people in? Or will lack of people pull devs away?
Strong chance I'm getting the att version (TL) but, I will admit to being worried about lack of support after a year and having a year left one contract with no official support and lack of dev support because something flashier came out.
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TL developer support is going to highly depend on the bootloader locking situation.
As I understand it, AT&T has a bad habit of forcing bootloader locks. I refuse to support any device that has a locked bootloader which is not officially unlockable - even if the lock gets broken unofficially, it's the principle of the thing.
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I actually chose this device precisely hoping that it wouldn't become too popular. It becomes crazy when people start almost harassing you for a release.
With a less popular device its much more fun.
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Yeah. The Infuse was a less popular device, and as a result, the developer community was highly cooperative for a while. Unfortunately, the device itself was a nightmare to work with so it was ditched by many. Although, interestingly enough, now that some of the worst aspects of this device development-wise have been identified, the Infuse is becoming kind of fun to work with again.
In the case of the T - all evidence seems to indicate that it's going to be a highly pleasant device to work with, AND if it's not a super-popular device, it may have a more pleasant development community than some of the more popular devices.
There's an existing well-established team of developers with Sony experience, AND there are also a number of Samsung Exynos refugees that have already made the jump or (in my case) are just waiting to see what their local version of the T has to offer.
That said - based on the developers I've seen hopping over, things are going to be heavily weighed in the AOSP-based firmware side of things. Sony's recent devices have become very attractive to developers of AOSP derivatives due to:
Sony's cooperation with the community in terms of technical information and source releases (see DASH)
Most Sony devices are based on Qualcomm chipsets, and over the past year, CodeAurora has emerged as a high quality reference codebase. (CAF has existed for a long time, but it's not really until this year that I saw people using it heavily.)
Sony's explicit AOSP support, both in terms of binary releases to support JBQ's Xperia S project, and frequent commits to AOSP. In fact, they have one developer working part-time on the AOSP Xperia S tree!
However, going back to Snow_fox's comments - if you want a device that is guaranteed not to be dropped early, purchase a Nexus. With any non-Nexus device, you are always taking risks.
Look at the Samsung Exynos situation - A year ago, Samsung devices were looking like your best bet for ongoing developer support. However, over the past year, a variety of things have changed:
Samsung constantly releases broken HALs that require all sorts of workarounds, and don't play nicely with backwards-compatibility solutions that work on other devices. ICS and JB bringup on Exynos4 devices has been an utter nightmare, leading to the entire team of CM on Exynos devices burning out or coming damn close to it
Samsung decided to use their phones as an outlet for gigantic batches of defective eMMC flash chips. They put workarounds in their firmware but didn't tell anyone. The end result is that you have to tread carefully with any 2011-model Samsung device. Their poor handling of the eMMC disaster has left a sour taste in many developers' mouths.
As a result, many developers are leaving, not necessarily for a device that is flashier, but one that is at least more developer-friendly. I think that in many cases, the Xperia TL will be a downgrade for me compared to my Galaxy Note... But dealing with the Exynos in the Note is driving me utterly insane.
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Support is looking good for devs to get started and this can be seen from the speed CM10 has become available and is progressing on this device. I don't see the lack of activity in this forum as a bad thing and for a dev it's a good thing because they're not hassled every 2 mins with the same repeated support questions or for ETA's (don't do it ). Devs don't choose devices because they're popular, they choose them because they're good to work on and because they personally like the device as remember this is a hobby after all. I for one, if I do get this phone will hope for it to remain as one of the quieter forums but once people start finishing their contracts I can see it attracting a number of people. I finish mine end of this month so that's when I'll be choosing but that choice is based on how easy it'll be to work with as I like to have a play with compiling myself but only for myself really.
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I will have to decide on December 1st what phone I'm going to myself.
I personally understand the appeal of a quieter forum where the same issues aren't asked every couple of minutes.. Once or twice, I've actually had trouble finding a solution wading through the, "How do I ________" and most of them had the response, "do a search" :silly:
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I actually chose this device precisely hoping that it wouldn't become too popular. It becomes crazy when people start almost harassing you for a release.
With a less popular device its much more fun.
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Yeah.... there are a lot of ungrateful members. I find myself in an awkward position because, I'm not skilled enough to develop a ROM but, I'm know I'm reliant on whatever XDA puts out to stay up to date with the latest ROMs.
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TL developer support is going to highly depend on the bootloader locking situation.
As I understand it, AT&T has a bad habit of forcing bootloader locks. I refuse to support any device that has a locked bootloader which is not officially unlockable - even if the lock gets broken unofficially, it's the principle of the thing.
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If I were in a position to take that stance, I would myself.
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There's an existing well-established team of developers with Sony experience, AND there are also a number of Samsung Exynos refugees that have already made the jump or (in my case) are just waiting to see what their local version of the T has to offer.
That said - based on the developers I've seen hopping over, things are going to be heavily weighed in the AOSP-based firmware side of things. Sony's recent devices have become very attractive to developers of AOSP derivatives due to:
Sony's cooperation with the community in terms of technical information and source releases (see DASH)
Most Sony devices are based on Qualcomm chipsets, and over the past year, CodeAurora has emerged as a high quality reference codebase. (CAF has existed for a long time, but it's not really until this year that I saw people using it heavily.)
Sony's explicit AOSP support, both in terms of binary releases to support JBQ's Xperia S project, and frequent commits to AOSP. In fact, they have one developer working part-time on the AOSP Xperia S tree!
However, going back to Snow_fox's comments - if you want a device that is guaranteed not to be dropped early, purchase a Nexus. With any non-Nexus device, you are always taking risks.
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That unfortunately isn't really entirely an option for me. I'm on a family plan and have no capability of getting out of it at the moment. I don't have enough data to make 16 gigs with no SD card feasible.
I really got lucky when my Captivate had identical hardware to the Nexus S and Samsung was actually good about supporting the devs.
Look at the Samsung Exynos situation - A year ago, Samsung devices were looking like your best bet for ongoing developer support. However, over the past year, a variety of things have changed:
Samsung constantly releases broken HALs that require all sorts of workarounds, and don't play nicely with backwards-compatibility solutions that work on other devices. ICS and JB bringup on Exynos4 devices has been an utter nightmare, leading to the entire team of CM on Exynos devices burning out or coming damn close to it
Samsung decided to use their phones as an outlet for gigantic batches of defective eMMC flash chips. They put workarounds in their firmware but didn't tell anyone. The end result is that you have to tread carefully with any 2011-model Samsung device. Their poor handling of the eMMC disaster has left a sour taste in many developers' mouths.
As a result, many developers are leaving, not necessarily for a device that is flashier, but one that is at least more developer-friendly. I think that in many cases, the Xperia TL will be a downgrade for me compared to my Galaxy Note... But dealing with the Exynos in the Note is driving me utterly insane.
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Do you think that may have some weight on why Google decided to hop to LG for a Nexus device?
Either way, it sounds like I'll be on the Xperia TL or LG Optimus G this upgrade. The decision isn't exactly becoming easier to make though. At least I managed to scratch off the HOX+
i chose xperia phones becase developers say they are not hard to develop , i have an xperia ray and i have a buttload of roms to choose from... i cant decide so i need to fash every 2week!! (flashaholic :l)
also because sony provides solution for bootloader unlock
Here's what I know so far for the TL. Keep in mind none of this is official, and it is preliminary, so could change.
1) The bootloader will NOT be unlockable on any device that has an active SIMlock. e.g. any device sold on AT&T with a contract subsidy is not going to have an unlockable bootloader. This is almost 100% definite.
2) The bootloader should be unlockable for users who pay full price for the device from AT&T, e.g. anyone who can receive an immediate SIM unlock with AT&T's policies. That said, while AT&T says that any person with a full-price device should be able to immediately remove SIMlocks, often it's a major hassle, and I worry that the bootloader unlock "allowability" process will be even less integrated. Don't count on unlocking your bootloader if you purchase full-price directly from AT&T.
3) Sony may sell the device directly (again - they MAY do it, it's not guaranteed), direct-purchase devices will almost surely have an unlockable bootloader (Not guaranteed, but very likely).
Well,TX seems doesn't support for the rom made to T:crying:
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Well,TX seems doesn't support for the rom made to T:crying:
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of course not. It's a different device
Coming from laggy XS, now holding TX,
Sony is doing it right this time, TX design and ICS are so smooth, fast and bug free( at least haven't encounter any yet), TBH I don't have any intention to flash Rom or wait for update (JB).
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All,
I am new here and to SmartPhones. I like Captivate because it has low radiation.
I am impressed with the activities I see here and on CyanogenMod. However, these give me cause for concern regarding the energy level required to accomplish them. Linux is good but I am returning to graduate school in the fall so I am concerned regarding the requirement of these phones and OS's. I would appreciate it if some of you could explain why so much work occurs with Android. Is much of this activity born out of the decision of carriers to control OS releases to specific phones? I see this as a major factor presently.
With that said, it does appear Samsung blew it with regard to v2.2 and the Galaxy S phones. I am nearly embarrassed to inform you that I own two Samsung LCD monitors after learning of this negative experience.
Clearly, I void the warranty if I embrace the activities here but this just rationalizes the choice of a refurbished phone!
Please attempt to characterize the time requirement for becoming involved with these Samsung Galaxy phones and Android. I know I am not the type of person to be interested in continually working with my phone to make it better. However, I also know my limited perspective can be biasing reality with this OS and these SmartPhones unnecessarily negative.
Oddly, my wife is considering the Focus because it would give her the MS support she needs with work. Regardless, it does appear we have found a few excellent Internet resources for these choices...I just want to ensure I am not getting in over my head.
Thanks,
Rick
by radiation I assume you mean the head tumors
RAVC1 said:
All,
I am new here and to SmartPhones. I like Captivate because it has low radiation.
I am impressed with the activities I see here and on CyanogenMod. However, these give me cause for concern regarding the energy level required to accomplish them. Linux is good but I am returning to graduate school in the fall so I am concerned regarding the requirement of these phones and OS's. I would appreciate it if some of you could explain why so much work occurs with Android. Is much of this activity born out of the decision of carriers to control OS releases to specific phones? I see this as a major factor presently.
With that said, it does appear Samsung blew it with regard to v2.2 and the Galaxy S phones. I am nearly embarrassed to inform you that I own two Samsung LCD monitors after learning of this negative experience.
Clearly, I void the warranty if I embrace the activities here but this just rationalizes the choice of a refurbished phone!
Please attempt to characterize the time requirement for becoming involved with these Samsung Galaxy phones and Android. I know I am not the type of person to be interested in continually working with my phone to make it better. However, I also know my limited perspective can be biasing reality with this OS and these SmartPhones unnecessarily negative.
Oddly, my wife is considering the Focus because it would give her the MS support she needs with work. Regardless, it does appear we have found a few excellent Internet resources for these choices...I just want to ensure I am not getting in over my head.
Thanks,
Rick
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Hi Rick,
To answer your question - why so much work occurs with Android, I would like to take the liberty of rephrasing the question - why so much work occurs with Android phones? There isnt one correct answer for this.
You are correct in saying that carriers and service providers like to cripple the phone before they hand it over to the consumer. So when you buy the phone you really are not using these wonderful pieces of technology to their fullest extent. Thanks to our developers here at XDA because of whom we can in reality free the phones that we paid much moolah for, so that we maybe able to use all of the fones features that have been designed to work in conjunction with the wonderful Android OS.
Secondly, the reason why so much work goes into the phones and development to improve the functionality of the phone is because that is what Android has been designed for. Consumer can customize the phone to their liking and does not have to get stuck with the proprietary, grid like systems like the ones iphone has. Phone manufacturers, and not just Samsung, obviously design the phones software in such a way so that there is always room for improvement. They bet their dollar on the fact that an average consumer will eventually buy a newer product when its released and marketed in the future. There is always something lacking in the product that is in the market right now and that is where all this work comes into play.
Now, whether you shud buy a samsung captivate or not and what the time requirement is, is totally dependent on what you want to use the phone for and what kind of functionality you would like to get out of it.
From what you said that ur not a person who wud like to spend a lot of time modifying or playing around with your phone, you wud still like the captivate. Samsung Captivate is a very nice phone overall. Its got almost everything that you cud want in a phone. In regards to apps included with the phone, you've got a decent selection along with loads of bloatware.... If there is anything missing you can easily find it on the android market.
If you're expecting that your GPS would work right out of the box, then the answer is, maybe - maybe not. and its not android's fault, its a samsung issue. There are multiple fixes for the GPS that you can find on the forum, that being said, if you plan on utilizing those fixes, like you said not only will you void your warranty but you alone will be venturing into that experiment on your phone and dev will not be responsible for any damage that may or may not happen to your phone. But then again no guts, no glory.
So all in all, if you do end up getting the captivate, i dont think you'll be utterly disappointed, but at the same time i dont think you'll be able to sit back either when you see all these new developments posted here.
Hopefully i helped you a little and if i said too much then i apologize.
I welcome any senior member of the forum to correct me if im wrong and/or make any additions to what ive said above..
happy forumming....
My brother has a Samsung focus. It's buggy as hell, completely counter intuitive, and incomplete. Theres also no apps at all. He has like 3 different crappy youtube apps and sound boards.
And there's no CM7 to one day fix it.
Sent from my Captivate.
anandsamuel,
An excellent response; truly what I was looking for to understand the issues involved regarding Android and SmartPhones. You did not say too much.
I guess I need to start reading so I understand how to root a Captivate!
Rick
Also, that font is irritating to read.
RAVC1 said:
All,
I am new here and to SmartPhones. I like Captivate because it has low radiation.
I am impressed with the activities I see here and on CyanogenMod. However, these give me cause for concern regarding the energy level required to accomplish them. Linux is good but I am returning to graduate school in the fall so I am concerned regarding the requirement of these phones and OS's. I would appreciate it if some of you could explain why so much work occurs with Android. Is much of this activity born out of the decision of carriers to control OS releases to specific phones? I see this as a major factor presently.
With that said, it does appear Samsung blew it with regard to v2.2 and the Galaxy S phones. I am nearly embarrassed to inform you that I own two Samsung LCD monitors after learning of this negative experience.
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ok lets slow you down there. first android is linux BASED not linux. there is no need to worry about OS/ device compatibility. the most interaction between the phone and PC are just file copying like through a usb thumb drive.
the next part regarding carriers/updates/samsung. you answered yourself, kinda, and backwards. Samsung didnt blow it.
Google android updates as much as any software does - to make things better.
they release to manufacturers so they can make it work with their hardware.
Samsung released on time, BUT TO THE CARRIERS.
the carriers then take what samsung gave them and add their carrier specific settings (APN ect) and applications (bloatware).
ATT blew the update timeline.
Sometimes manufacturers release their finished product as "source code" untouched by carriers.
the long process is necessary in each step to (attempt) to make a perfect software package that will work with each phone/carrier out of the box for the end user. so it is unfair to say "born out of the decision of carriers to control OS releases to specific phones"
XDA works off of source codes and carrier releases to make our custom updates.
Clearly, I void the warranty if I embrace the activities here but this just rationalizes the choice of a refurbished phone!
Please attempt to characterize the time requirement for becoming involved with these Samsung Galaxy phones and Android. I know I am not the type of person to be interested in continually working with my phone to make it better. However, I also know my limited perspective can be biasing reality with this OS and these SmartPhones unnecessarily negative.
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there are ways to return your phone without them knowing what you did. dont worry too much about your "voided" warranty.
before i felt comfortable flashing I took about 3 days reading my A$$ off! and currently im off on workers comp. so that was 3 FULL days. even then i had issues and mistakes and my phone was out of service a few nights! but that is part of the fun.
you do not need to be the type of person to constantly update your phone to buy it. tens of thousands of people have this phone on stock firmware and it fully works. the extra effort and time that we here at XDA and cyanogenMOD do is more out of fun, and customization. Many would argue function as well, as we do sometimes fix things *better* than google/samsung/carriers. but things willl *usually* still function on stock even if on a basic level.
you only need to put in as much as you want to get out of it
so timeline,
flashing custom roms/themes PROPERLY - under a week
cutting and pasting roms frankenROMS - under a month or 2
creating - vast back knowlege of programming, ect YEAR(S)
regarding wanting to update often, not every update on XDA to your rom is necessary unles it fixes something you didnt have.
Each Android/Carrier update, would be recomended (or the XDA counterpart) as each new android version (not rom) contains the most updates/fixes. so if you were running a 2.2 (custom or stock) rom it WOULD be worth upgrading to 2.3 when available (custom or stock). but you dont NEED to update your custom rom every couple weeks when they put out their minor update on the same base rom (2.2 for eg.)
Oddly, my wife is considering the Focus because it would give her the MS support she needs with work. Regardless, it does appear we have found a few excellent Internet resources for these choices...I just want to ensure I am not getting in over my head.
Thanks,
Rick
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no comment. best regards
Trusselo,
Excellent, thoughtful response; it helped characterize this activity further for me. My concern is now recognized (and conveyed to others...) as not wanting to be required to become a developer to make my involvement with a SmartPhone constructive. Samsung, Android, XDA looks very good to me. As you mentioned, my reading has begun.
Yes, something is not right with my traditional Comic Sans Serif font here; it seems to compress it horizontally, but my aging eyes typically need this font.
This is more of an opinion question.
If you weren't into flashing roms, theming, bricking your phones, would you rather own an iPhone or any particular Android phone (please name phone)?
I've never owned an iPhone and I own a Fascinate. Samsung has really pissed me off with the late updates. Verizon has also pissed me off in the bloatware forced on users as well as late updates.
If Verizon put out a Nexus series phone I'd own that to hopefully fix both issues. Unfortunately, no matter how great the devs are on this site, they are not paid to do this and it takes a lot of time and frustration to get out the latest builds based on the latest Android.
However, with iPhone much of this is fixed as Apple has full control over the process. For better or worse.
So, I'm curious that if I wanted a no hassle smart phone, should I consider a different Android phone (as I love Google and its services) or should I just grab the eventual next iPhone?
What's your opinion? (I know this might be a biased location to find opinions.)
P.S. I'm also very interested in the upcoming Xperia Play and Playstation Suite.
Depends. The iPhone is awesome for people who want a generally no-nonsense phone with beautiful and (mostly) well-written and well-controlled applications with wide mainstream support. Android is getting there, but is still a bit behind in that regard. However, it got to that point by having a super-tight ecosystem that is very unfriendly for customisations, at least to the degree you get with Android.
If you jailbreak it, you'll be playing the same waiting game since you'll have to wait for the iPhone Dev Team to release tools to exploit vulnerabilities. If you unlock the phone, upgrading before waiting could even be dangerous, as baseband developments normally take much longer.
Give it a try, see if you like it. If you don't, trade or re-sell; they don't lose value that quickly.
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Depends. The iPhone is awesome for people who want a generally no-nonsense phone with beautiful and (mostly) well-written and well-controlled applications with wide mainstream support. Android is getting there, but is still a bit behind in that regard. However, it got to that point by having a super-tight ecosystem that is very unfriendly for customisations, at least to the degree you get with Android.
If you jailbreak it, you'll be playing the same waiting game since you'll have to wait for the iPhone Dev Team to release tools to exploit vulnerabilities. If you unlock the phone, upgrading before waiting could even be dangerous, as baseband developments normally take much longer.
Give it a try, see if you like it. If you don't, trade or re-sell; they don't lose value that quickly.
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Quite opposite, really. For most Android users, being rooted means having the latest update, while for iPhoneys, it means you are well behind. And look, they have to wait 'til iOS 4.3 to get a slight modicum of notification right.
As per the title says, just so happen to check the Lenovo forums today after reading here they released TPT source yesterday and sure enough the K1 source was released this morning!
Direct Link
http://download.lenovo.com/lenovo/content/sm/IdeaPadTablet-K1.zip
Link to the Thread
http://forums.lenovo.com/t5/IdeaPad-Slate-Tablets/Android-Source-Code/td-p/610273/page/5
Hopefully our humble and dedicated developers can tear this apart and start on some custom ROMS, maybe even kernels?? (I have high hopes clearly!)
On a side note, might not be worth mentioning, but I did notice that the source for the K1 was roughly 72mb in size while the TPT source was in upwards of 202mb?? Same compression for both, food for thought...
Robert
Great news ....the building blocks have arrived
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Now hoping for some love, the stock android is pretty slow and painful.....
Will be nice once the custom kernels come.. hopefully they will..
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Thats awesome news, man!!!!!!! I didnt think lenovo would do it but wow, its a start.
Hopefully we can get some sweet roms and kernels on this bad boy (k1).
Just based on this news alone, I have ordered for one..
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Just based on this news alone, I have ordered for one..
Sent from my HTC Vision
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Bad choice, hardly any support and current android 3.2.1 on it is buggy for the two that we own, stutters a lot.
Be Prepared for this lengthy response!
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Bad choice, hardly any support and current android 3.2.1 on it is buggy for the two that we own, stutters a lot.
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I agree even with the latest update, there are still bugs in the OS Lenovo loads on this tablet but this should not be a driving force with not buying one. Every tablet I've owned (K1 and the GTablet) or had the chance to tinker with (Xoom, Prime, etc...) have had their flaws, but I also feel this is also based on the user and their personal preferences with using their tablet. Not to mention, what that user would be using the device for (as a toy, or daily driver) has a huge amount to do with it.
What's important here is that they are all running on some form of an Android OS, and if you are willing to tinker and sometimes even experiment with your tablet, you will be able to get to some middle ground (depending on the device, its release date, the community following it has, and when/if the source code is released) based on what you are trying to get out of that particular device to where there are little to no issues.
http://rootzwiki.com/topic/13407-alpha-ideapad-k1-cwm-stock-rooted-rom-120109-build/
For me, I'm currently running the Alpha 3 CWM rom from rootzwiki (link above) and besides I think 1-2 FC's (ONLY happened upon uninstalling pre-loaded apps) it's ran smooth as silk! Granted, I use my K1 as mainly a 'toy' for experimenting with Android SDK, flashing ROM's and general tinkering but still...
Now, you could just drop the $400-$600 on an iPad and not have to worry about FC's and other bugs but then you're left with not only an extremely restricted device but a restricted device that you paid way more for when compared to the K1 for example. Don't get me wrong, after getting my first tablet (GTablet) I quickly realized the quality of the products Apple releases to the consumer public, and if you are a member of that 90%+ percentile of the public that just wants a device to work and doesn't plan on doing anything else to it (and possibly not being as computer savvy as that 5-10% percentile) Apple is the way to go. However atleast from my experiences with the iPad/iPhone, if you plan on doing any modifications remotely resembling base mod's that can be done on an Android device, you're either threatening your warranty or simply SOL.
In short, when I buy an Android phone/tablet I will never expect it to run flawlessly out of the box because A. I'm personally anal/picky/OCD with my hardware and B. I bought it for that initial time investment in order to have a device strictly tuned to my lifestyle and means of use. For this reason alone, an Apple product will never satisfy me (again nothing against anyone who does use Apple, just my 0.02).
I'd rather have a device that is cheaper to buy with arguably the same hardware specs or comparable and is finicky (to say the least at times), but has the potential to run whatever I can throw at it smoothly and most importantly to personalize it on levels that Apple would never allow on their products simply for fear of creating instabilities.
For the K1 however, Lenovo releasing the source is the 1st step towards achieving your own perfectly tuned and personalized device however long it might take. Afterall, one crucial characteristic of an Android user that majority of the members on this forum share is patience! It's what separates us from the rest!
Sorry for the long post, I just felt like expressing my opinion and I was in the typing mood.
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I agree even with the latest update, there are still bugs in the OS Lenovo loads on this tablet but this should not be a driving force with not buying one. Every tablet I've owned (K1 and the GTablet) or had the chance to tinker with (Xoom, Prime, etc...) have had their flaws, but I also feel this is also based on the user and their personal preferences with using their tablet. Not to mention, what that user would be using the device for (as a toy, or daily driver) has a huge amount to do with it.
What's important here is that they are all running on some form of an Android OS, and if you are willing to tinker and sometimes even experiment with your tablet, you will be able to get to some middle ground (depending on the device, its release date, the community following it has, and when/if the source code is released) based on what you are trying to get out of that particular device to where there are little to no issues.
http://rootzwiki.com/topic/13407-alpha-ideapad-k1-cwm-stock-rooted-rom-120109-build/
For me, I'm currently running the Alpha 3 CWM rom from rootzwiki (link above) and besides I think 1-2 FC's (ONLY happened upon uninstalling pre-loaded apps) it's ran smooth as silk! Granted, I use my K1 as mainly a 'toy' for experimenting with Android SDK, flashing ROM's and general tinkering but still...
Now, you could just drop the $400-$600 on an iPad and not have to worry about FC's and other bugs but then you're left with not only an extremely restricted device but a restricted device that you paid way more for when compared to the K1 for example. Don't get me wrong, after getting my first tablet (GTablet) I quickly realized the quality of the products Apple releases to the consumer public, and if you are a member of that 90%+ percentile of the public that just wants a device to work and doesn't plan on doing anything else to it (and possibly not being as computer savvy as that 5-10% percentile) Apple is the way to go. However atleast from my experiences with the iPad/iPhone, if you plan on doing any modifications remotely resembling base mod's that can be done on an Android device, you're either threatening your warranty or simply SOL.
In short, when I buy an Android phone/tablet I will never expect it to run flawlessly out of the box because A. I'm personally anal/picky/OCD with my hardware and B. I bought it for that initial time investment in order to have a device strictly tuned to my lifestyle and means of use. For this reason alone, an Apple product will never satisfy me (again nothing against anyone who does use Apple, just my 0.02).
I'd rather have a device that is cheaper to buy with arguably the same hardware specs or comparable and is finicky (to say the least at times), but has the potential to run whatever I can throw at it smoothly and most importantly to personalize it on levels that Apple would never allow on their products simply for fear of creating instabilities.
For the K1 however, Lenovo releasing the source is the 1st step towards achieving your own perfectly tuned and personalized device however long it might take. Afterall, one crucial characteristic of an Android user that majority of the members on this forum share is patience! It's what separates us from the rest!
Sorry for the long post, I just felt like expressing my opinion and I was in the typing mood.
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great read excellent points
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Dueces99 I shall check out that rom, will see if its possible for me since I am on the latest official version....
I did have a Blackberry Playbook with the original OS in December and that was much better for web browsing etc. Just hoping that Android 4 will have less issues on the tablet since I will be keeping the Lenovo....
Oh and I have been with Android for over 2 years since Android 1.5 and about 5 android phones..... So yeh I am patient
Will definitely pay attention to the next iteration of Windows Mobile though when I upgrade at the end of the year since I like the responsiveness of Windows Mobile 7/7.5.....
this is great news.. really think of selling mine for 300 or so.... if it still worth that ( 32 gb model) .. i might hold on to it now that the source is release and ( cross fingers) someone ports CM9 to it...
we can only wish...
lenovo said they will release ics for k1
http://forums.lenovo.com/t5/IdeaPad...m-Sandwich-for-Ideapad-K1/td-p/638437/page/17
Apologies for the radio silence on this... we have been in discussion with our product teams and shared all the interest and feedback received here.
I believe the current outlook is that a plain version (sounds like it will not include the Lenovo customizations ) of ICS will be made available for download sometime in June. This is a bit later than the original May schedule and will not be pushed as an OTA (over the air update).
I appreciate everyone's patience - I know you have been waiting a while for an update on this.
Thanks
Mark
Especially those people who owned the Note since the beginning in Q4 2011.
What do you think of the development of our Exynos-based Note?
How do you feel after one year that CM for our Note even our little brother S2 is not fully working?
Are you satisfied with the stock ROMs provided by Samsung?
How about the superbrick fiasco? Do you think Samsung should have done something more quickly?
What do you think of the Jelly Bean update for Note? Quality is there?
EDIT: One more question. Will you consider a Samsung for your next device?
Development - good not that bad
CyanogenMod - Not working at its full potential but it is still my daily driver
Satisfaction with Samsung firmware ? - Are you kidding ?
How about the superbrick fiasco ? - I considered selling selling my note when Superbrick bug was detected but there were no other 5' phones at that time. Even now, non-removable battery (Xperia Z and others) is a deal-breaker for me.
Jelly bean update - It does not have professional and finishing touch as I quoted your post in other thread.
Am I happy with my Note ?
I am happy because I'm content and I am content because I am happy
For your every question it's a no.. There are not much development even some peps here think uploading the stock deodex rom with xyz name adding some mods which are already present on forum individually is a developmnet..? A big no, but the elite xda-developers who are trying their best bringing cutting edge work and something innovative to android development world is called development and i am very thankful to them.. But still it's not up to par.. I wish i bought a nexus device in place of note regarding android development and modding.. And sammy is just to lazy in providing update to our device and providing source codes, stock jb is just unacceptable for me it's too laggy for anyone who uses cm as a daily driver.. I am afraid to say that cm is also not fully functional, the memory leak sometimes make me go crazy but have to live with this sh*t truth about my beloved note.. After all i love my note than any other device owned by me in past and please don't term me as complainig it's all what any note user has in his heart to say.. And yeah how can i forget about brick bug, when my note firstly got affected by it i was like what the heck is wrong with my baby it is dead and you will not believe still i fear from doing any wipes it doesn't matter if i have modified kernel or not and the black crush issue is like never gonna sorted out
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Development - we hamper our own progress, more politics than codes, groupism, lack of feedback, squelching of viable ideas
CM - an alternative to explore but not be ruled/smothered by.
Samsung performance - Good in many ways- stable, battery friendly/new features/ frequent updates. Good inspite of black clipping, highly priced devices and poor build quality.
Brickbug - never existed beyond the walls of xda and/or rooting process.
Jelly bean - better than ics
Had a lot of fun with my Note. if i didnt have it , with my past experience of it, Id go for a Samsung product but would wait for price to go down first.
NB - Can you really hope for an unbiased answer ? where you become popular and part of the herd if you call Sammy Crapsung and start off your OP with a statement like - I hate Touchwiz , and thanks are heaped on you for it ? Hate begets hate.
I never put forth my views for argument so dont even try.
1 No development to full potential without Exymos drivers, still ppl did best they could. Most devs left by now
[email protected] ... ... ...them.
3No, but some custom ROMs are/were good.
4My phone has sane chip - they should recall vulnerable devices or deliver sw fix earlier.
5For me on AllianceLSZ it is as close as possibly, but I did not tried stock version.
Last one. I don't think so. They grow to big market share - lame corporation. They are lying, promising and not delivering. All I liked -big screen now is no longer Samsung's only thing. I am not fond of cheap plastic too. I liked sd card and removable battery.
Time will tell. HTC one Motorolla X LG who knows?
Development you can't talk about it since it is for every device separate and the devices high end life is under 6 months so developers are using the hit and run tactic since after awhile the device isn't popular and if you now add the delay of source to be given from the manufacture tell me what can - could you await from the developers. Who they make this with 0 to low profit gain except few of them, but that's another story.
You can't compare s2 with any device out there. S2 is legen wait for it dary .
Samsungs firmware upgrade policy was ok till ics came out, the updates where faster then you could find all the changes from one. After the second ics firmware the things did go worse, if I remember right it was s3 comming out time. And before the note 2 was introduced there was the end.
Profit rules them all.
If you don't buy that you will buy the other. Tell me a company who is making a good device with great support? None.
Google isn't producing her own devices.
Apple? Come on you can spend your money somewhere else.
As long smartphones aren't as PC's where you can add 10, different self picked, parts to make a phone and after that you pick a OS to install on it with the drivers for the parts. Till then you will pay to be happy when you will get a fully operating device with SOME of the things you need.
Own a DBT N7000
Flashed first time on JB leak since till then, the device and OS was enought/had nothing to offer more, to my needs.
Cm never used it. But N7000 without spen? Huge respect to the guys and girls for supporting so many devices ofc.
Let the "flames" begin.
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1 [Development]. Well, there are some sweet ROMs and mods, but my mate that recommended looking for stuff here some time ago said there's everything here, and TBH I don't see it, was looking for ported S Memo for JB, ink effect for S Pen only and other small mods and didn't find anything
2 [CM]. Never cared about it, I picked Note for features built around TW
3 [Stocks]. Until JB, it was pretty good, new features, not too much crap, stable and efficient
4 [Brick]. Terrible mistake and marketing failure, didn't affect me fortunately
5 [JB]. Nope, it's a total disappointment, I was eager to update it ASAP, but after I did it I was like "WHAT THE HELL MAN?". Sad, sad update
6 [Sammy]. I never considered any Samsung's phone other than SII or Note, so no
I am still very happy with my Note...with some work to be done, JB is very fast and stable and bugfree...i tried all CM and his derivates and they are great, but i still like modded stock most, mainly for all the features coming with it or possible to add - and it lags 0 (in words ZERO) for me...brickbug was an awful mistake, bricked 2 devices for me (one i got repaired on warranty)...i dont care about blackclipping cause it never affected me that much...
And cause this seems to be the 'bash sammy and note 1 thread' i am looking forward to some public flogging
I am also happy with my note.
I feel there is a strong but disappointed community regarding development. Most developers have strained that Samsung closedness in regards of hardware level drivers have halted back development months if not a year.
I personally feel the folowing is true: because of difficulty in basic os openeness guys like CM team have found time wanting in further development then basic os. I saw endevours in spen functionality and firmly believe if Samsung was more open, not only would rom development taken off more but also the app development. Just gettting rom functional has sucked the living daylights out of a lot of good devs. Had that not been the case they would have been motivated and have time left to revolutionizing further spen/apps stuff. This is a cascading effect.
I in that sense having seen burnouts and close burnouts with certain devs, am definitely not dissapointed in the devs. Greatfull for their devotion and spirit. In Samsung, yes definately dissapointed. I love what Samsung did with JB. But this whole ordeal is not a good example of transforming an opensource platform into a true community platform. That Samsung can do better. Must do better, because the XDA community is already speaking of moving from Samsung to more dev friendly mobiles. Samsung needs to turn that around.
Their future lineup is promising, but with this trackrecord, its not gonna appeal the devs into storming buyin.
More and more users are following favorite devs, if those devs move away, so will xda members following those devs. Time to step up the game Samsung, we know you want to.
Note is a great device(except battery) for me.Yeah,I miss more ported roms from other phones too,but today we have so many different chips and without sources for drivers I know it's hard...
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Livebyte said:
What do you think of the development of our Exynos-based Note?
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From Samsung, laughable. From individuals, can't ask more.
How do you feel after one year that CM for our Note even our little brother S2 is not fully working?
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Read somewhere that Samsung denied CM Officials' request to release TW Source. IMHO, I don't know if its true or actually a matter of concern but it is quite noticeable that other manufacturers' devices have amazing CMs whereas TW based phones are suffering.
Are you satisfied with the stock ROMs provided by Samsung?
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No.
Dear Samsung, Nobody wants your ****ing motion sensor voodoo you call "Smart-this-Smart-that" and annoying visual/audio effects you call "Nature-Nature". Your idea of using a Digitizer with a phone? Excellent. Making a phone that is a Milestone for Smartphones? Fantastic. Providing Dedicated apps? Orgasmic. ****ty optimization? You lost me.
How about the superbrick fiasco? Do you think Samsung should have done something more quickly?
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Lost my "dear" to that once. My Beloved Samsung with Amazing Proprietary Issues.
What do you think of the Jelly Bean update for Note? Quality is there?
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Pfffffhahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!! xD
Will you consider a Samsung for your next device?
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Probably. When it comes to RAW Power, Samsung doesn't shy away. That's the beauty of it.
Note has many achievements.
1. It tasted 3 flavors of android.
2. Its the first >5 inch phone which changed the way of users habit.
3. It has seen the mist development more than galaxy nexus. It got all tge major custom releases with tw stock roms as a bonus.
4. Its the only phone which even after 1 and a half year life has a place in users heart.
5. It was a future proof device of its time and the way dev helped it groom is remarkable.
6. Thanks to devs who despite being annoying contributes so much to make our experience good.
Entropy, dr.ketan,Eybee1976, chasmodo, Criskelo, and so many others who take out time to make things better.
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The 1+3 dev forum lists nearly 50 ROMs.
Is there a general sense how many of them are planning on adding support for the 3T?
Do you think we can expect a similar breadth of ROMs for the 3T, since (I'm reading that) the devices are not compatible?
Thanks.
(I noticed that the Axon 7, which has been out for about as long as the 1+3, has many fewer ROMs.)
No one really knows. Seems unlikely to have nearly as many roms as the OP3 because it's a different processor and the device trees are a mess according to several developers. They would have to start from scratch or close to it and put in a lot of work to maintain their work on both devices. Many developers already have OP3's and do not want to buy another device. OnePlus has said they have some sort of surprise for developers in the pipeline but no one really knows yet what that will be. Time will tell.
I've been using custom roms since 2009 on windows mobile and for the first time ever, I'm actually quite happy staying stock. I haven't even unlocked the bootloader or rooted yet. Really depends on what you want out of the phone. Hope this helps.
I wouldn't expect the same amount of support, but I also wouldn't really expect it to be dry either. The 3T seems like it is going to be a fairly popular phone (at least within enthusiasts), and with that comes a developer community 99% of the time.
I think it will also depend a lot on when the OnePlus 4 (or whatever the next device is called) is released. If the 3T is only their flagship for a few months, similar to the 3, I would expect a pretty big drop-off in ROM support.
By the amount of sales and interest in this phone and the timing near the holidays I say we will see more developers and development from a wide range of newcomers to developers getting an upgrade.