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OK, I know battery life is always an issue with PDA phones. I'm never far from a charger. I'm fine as long as I'm just checking e-mail (4 accounts, once an hour) and a little light web surfing with Opera Mini.
The problem arises when I use my phone as...well...a phone.
My Tilt loses battery power at an alarming rate when I'm talking on the phone. A 20 minute conversation will easily cost me 40% of my battery.
I'm usually in a non-3G area, so I'm on Edge. I normally have a good, strong 4-bar signal. Even when I'm in a 3G area, I use a different comm manager to turn off 3G to conserve power. I use KaiserTweak and select all the "Advised" settings in the power-related sections.
I've tried several different radios, but haven't noticed an improvement.
Does anyone have any ideas or recommendations on improving the efficiency of my Tilt in phone mode?
I have the same problem.
I have 3 batteries. 2 Samsungs and 1 Dynapak. Each battery lasts about 3 hours in standby. The phone is always warm as well. I have a utility that shows the phone is running around 380mAh current. That's seems pretty high.
I think theres something seriously wrong with certain batches of these phones.
these phones r seriously poor for battery life.. i love the htc but they slowly being overttaken by other phones.. shame!
maybe depends on the battery and ROM/radio because my Kaiser lasts 1 gay of VERY heavy usage+calling, and in stand by can lasts 6 days at least.
profusion said:
maybe depends on the battery and ROM/radio because my Kaiser lasts 1 gay of VERY heavy usage+calling, and in stand by can lasts 6 days at least.
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Really??
So, what battery are you using? Which ROM? Which radio?
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maybe depends on the battery and ROM/radio because my Kaiser lasts 1 day of VERY heavy usage+calling, and in stand by can lasts 6 days at least.
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mine too or maybe more. Normally I charge every 2 days.
Seriously though, hasn't this topic been beat to death with a stylus?
Ask youself this, how is your battery and what all is running on the phone?
If the battery is a year old then just accept that it's shelf life is over with. If your phone is always warm that would general mean that one of the radios is running, Wifi , data, gps? If any of those are running all of the time or when you are not using it, then your draining the battery.
I have a friend that beat himself up trying to figure out why his battery would drain so fast, he reflashed the phone 3 times a day etc etc etc. He just could not accept that it was a crappy battery. I got another (used battery) and it worked fine.
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mine too or maybe more. Normally I charge every 2 days.
Seriously though, hasn't this topic been beat to death with a stylus?
Ask youself this, how is your battery and what all is running on the phone?
If the battery is a year old then just accept that it's shelf life is over with. If your phone is always warm that would general mean that one of the radios is running, Wifi , data, gps? If any of those are running all of the time or when you are not using it, then your draining the battery.
I have a friend that beat himself up trying to figure out why his battery would drain so fast, he reflashed the phone 3 times a day etc etc etc. He just could not accept that it was a crappy battery. I got another (used battery) and it worked fine.
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Me too used to get about 2 days with a 2700 that is being registered correctly, i now tell everyone to not phone me "well they don't listen just like no one does" so i block all incoming calls with MagiCall, to what point do i have a phone now? To flash & twaek and text
"Am kinda joking but my stylus is now half the size due to this topic"
Buy a new battery.
I don't dig long phone calls unless there is something going on. Too many people just want to hang out on the phone and say nothing.
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Buy a new battery.
I don't dig long phone calls unless there is something going on. Too many people just want to hang out on the phone and say nothing.
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Mine is a new battery Have to say same about people talking about nothing.
"The loss of battery was due to phonecall and radio i'm not moaning either i expect the battery life to not be perfect on any WM phone"
Well yeah radio version help too.
ChumleyEX said:
mine too or maybe more. Normally I charge every 2 days.
Seriously though, hasn't this topic been beat to death with a stylus?
Ask youself this, how is your battery and what all is running on the phone?
If the battery is a year old then just accept that it's shelf life is over with. If your phone is always warm that would general mean that one of the radios is running, Wifi , data, gps? If any of those are running all of the time or when you are not using it, then your draining the battery.
I have a friend that beat himself up trying to figure out why his battery would drain so fast, he reflashed the phone 3 times a day etc etc etc. He just could not accept that it was a crappy battery. I got another (used battery) and it worked fine.
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This isn't my first foray into these HTC devices. I've been using them for nearly 2 years now, and I know the battery life on these devices isn't what it is on something like my old RAZR. I'm just fine with that; since the Tilt does so much more, I don't expect the charge to last a week like my RAZR did. But this drain while using the phone is driving me nuts.
FYI, I know to keep WiFi and GPS off, and to use KaiserTweak to shut down data connections when they're not being used. If I don't use the phone or surf, the battery will easily last me 2 days, and that's with checking 4 e-mail accounts every hour, and with SBSH PocketWeather getting updates every 2 hours. But talk on the phone, and it's a different story. I talked to my wife for about 30 minutes last night and went from 80% to 20% battery level.
The battery is only about 7-8 months old. Still, I ordered a new 1600ma battery last week, and it should be here in a day or two. I'm hoping that solves the problem.
It's possible that the battery you have now is under warranty. (if you bought the phone new)
good luck.
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It's possible that the battery you have now is under warranty. (if you bought the phone new)
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Unfortunately, it was a refurb, and the warranty expired a long time ago. The new battery wasn't exactly a budget killer.
Well my battery seems to be working now.
Phone is no longer hot all the time, and my utility says I'm using between 1 and 64 mA. That's much better than the 350+ mA it was sucking before.
I didn't do a damn thing different either. Didn't change any settings for the radios, didn't reflash, etc..
Some people think that the GPS get's stuck in the "on" position and there's no way to turn it off, short of opening and closing GPS Aware programs repeatedly until your current usage drops in the sub 100 mA range.
Always discharge your battery fully as possible at least 1 a week to ensure your battery last longer, lots of charges above the threshold will diminish your batteries life and capacity. The Kaiser is a powerful device and it is obvious to anyone that this requires power to run it, so the battery wont last for days. :-(
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Always discharge your battery fully as possible at least 1 a week to ensure your battery last longer, lots of charges above the threshold will diminish your batteries life and capacity. The Kaiser is a powerful device and it is obvious to anyone that this requires power to run it, so the battery wont last for days. :-(
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HUH???????
These are Lithium batteries, we aren't in the 90's anymore buddy.. My phone lasts for at least 2 days and sometimes 3 (the phone is over a year old too)..
Welcome to the year 2009
"1. Battery Memory - When I first got my new cellphone, my friend recommended to fully drain the battery before recharging it. His reasoning was connected to the idea of battery memory. Allowing the battery to fully discharge then recharging to max, supposedly gives you the complete battery capacity. Otherwise, if you simply charged from the half way point to max battery capacity, the battery would treat the half way point as the empty point, thus cutting your battery capacity in half.
Problem is battery memory doesn’t apply to Lithium batteries, this advice was meant for Nickel based batteries. Fully discharging your Lithium battery frequently can actually be quite harmful to your battery’s health, possibly rendering it completely unusable if energy levels go too low.
The good news is today’s lithium batteries have a safety circuit in place to insure the battery doesn’t reach the point of no return. The safety circuit isn’t fool proof of course, if you leave your battery completely drained for a few days, even the circuit’s protective measures won’t save it.
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INFACT it's recommended to leave a little bit of a charge before charging or storing.
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Be that as it may, when you get a new battery you still have to use it for a few weeks before the phone reports battery levels accurately. The phone may still shut down when WM thinks it's almost empty, regardless if it's actually empty or not. Just try it, battery life improves over the first few weeks of usage, and your battery level readings will get more stable (instead of dropping to 50% in 10 minutes and then proceeding to stay there for 6 hours).
BTW my kaiser lasts about 3 days as well, with fairly heavy usage.
No fair, I want a bazillion stars next to my name too.
I Think this guy has had the phone and battery for a little while, so the few weeks thing might not be an option. (well at least the battery he was posting about)
HUH???????
These are Lithium batteries, we aren't in the 90's anymore buddy.. My phone lasts for at least 2 days and sometimes 3 (the phone is over a year old too)..
Welcome to the year 2009
"1. Battery Memory - When I first got my new cellphone, my friend recommended to fully drain the battery before recharging it. His reasoning was connected to the idea of battery memory. Allowing the battery to fully discharge then recharging to max, supposedly gives you the complete battery capacity. Otherwise, if you simply charged from the half way point to max battery capacity, the battery would treat the half way point as the empty point, thus cutting your battery capacity in half.
Problem is battery memory doesn’t apply to Lithium batteries, this advice was meant for Nickel based batteries. Fully discharging your Lithium battery frequently can actually be quite harmful to your battery’s health, possibly rendering it completely unusable if energy levels go too low.
The good news is today’s lithium batteries have a safety circuit in place to insure the battery doesn’t reach the point of no return. The safety circuit isn’t fool proof of course, if you leave your battery completely drained for a few days, even the circuit’s protective measures won’t save it.
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INFACT it's recommended to leave a little bit of a charge before charging or storing.
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As refered to your reply, i didnt mean discharge fully completely i meant the cut off point would stop you anyhow, i meant to bring it to about 10%, i found that using the battery until it reaches 10-12% far by decreases battery drain when it is fully charged again, this is only 1 in a while though not frequently. I understand lithuim-ion doesnt have a memory effect problem, but there is such thing as variable current influencing different cells which can either benefit or make it worst, there is a lot of debate as to whether this improves it or not.
Great tip, keep it cool and away from your pocket pants because heat kills it.
Dude thats no fun to keep it out of your pocket,
Hi all,
I'm very interested in switching to the z3 compact yet my main concern is the built-in battery. I'm concern that the battery might fail after the 1 yr warranty has elapsed. If this happens; I'd be at the mercy of the sony service center. Replacing a built-in battery will definitely cost a lot more than just swapping out interchangeable batteries like I do now with my s4 mini.
The xperia Z line has been around for 2 years now if I'm not mistaken, can anyone share the battery health of their Z device after 1 or 2 years of constant use (those who recharge every night). after the 2nd year did you feel that the battery lasts far less than what is acceptable? and how much did it cost you to get it replaced? or you just sold it and bought a newer generation phone.
Chadie said:
Hi all,
I'm very interested in switching to the z3 compact yet my main concern is the built-in battery. I'm concern that the battery might fail after the 1 yr warranty has elapsed. If this happens; I'd be at the mercy of the sony service center. Replacing a built-in battery will definitely cost a lot more than just swapping out interchangeable batteries like I do now with my s4 mini.
The xperia Z line has been around for 2 years now if I'm not mistaken, can anyone share the battery health of their Z device after 1 or 2 years of constant use (those who recharge every night). after the 2nd year did you feel that the battery lasts far less than what is acceptable? and how much did it cost you to get it replaced? or you just sold it and bought a newer generation phone.
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It all depends on the way you charge your batteries.
- If you repeatedly using your phone till it's dead or almost dead, then recharge to full, the longevity will be short.
- Longevity is also affected by the length of time it is connected to the charger, the shorter the better.
- If you keep it at 100% all the time, this will reduce longevity ( fully charged = highly stressed battery).
I learned the above from the site below, so more info there:
http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/how_to_prolong_lithium_based_batteries
ShadowFlare said:
It all depends on the way you charge your batteries.
- If you repeatedly using your phone till it's dead or almost dead, then recharge to full, the longevity will be short.
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This is what is happening to my s4 mini now. The battery barely lasts a day on my normal usage. Now I'm hardly using it because I'm afraid it will run out of juice before I reach home. I gets to a low 20% and then I charge it overnight. the z3 compact's 2 day battery will solve this for me, hopefully.
- Longevity is also affected by the length of time it is connected to the charger, the shorter the better.
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well that is a bummer. I was planning on purchasing a dock to set it as my alarm clock.
- If you keep it at 100% all the time, this will reduce longevity ( fully charged = highly stressed battery).
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I normally keep my phone plugged in over night so that I can be certain that it will be full in the morning when I leave. This is because my current phone's battery drops by 10-17% overnight while I sleep. I compared that to an 5S running on 2G = 1-3% = awesome. (btw; signal is very ok at my house so I don't think it is waking up due to that)
Thank you for your inputs. I guess I'll have to change how I charge my phones from now on.
Have had my xperia z almost since launch and can't really say t hey I noticed any big difference in battery life. Sure some it prob are would be strange but lot so I notice it.
And for the long charge it isn't that big of a problem, have had my Z in the dock over night every day.
As with all these batteries (Li-ion): if you store them leave them at 40-60% then store them away , they dont like to run fully emtpy (although there probably is some hibernation implemented in the system like on laptops) nor fully charged.I think thats the reason why you also never get a fully charged/discharged device .
Batteries have been getting smarter so modern batteries of this type will never charge to 100% even though they display it (thats why leaving them connected it basically does no harm). I am assuming the Z3C also does it this way.
I recommend "calibrating" the battery once or twice every two months that means full charge , then full discharge, then full charge again but beware that if your battery is near death this procedure could be its killing blow due to bad cells .So just do it if you do not experience any problems with the battery, like a sudden drop in battery. Otherwise you can calmly "let it learn" its real capacity.
But again technology has also not slowed down on batteries and as this is a modern device which I think you cant kill with normal usage just extend its life (a bit).
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Have had my xperia z almost since launch and can't really say t hey I noticed any big difference in battery life. Sure some it prob are would be strange but lot so I notice it.
And for the long charge it isn't that big of a problem, have had my Z in the dock over night every day.
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I also had my XZ since launch, with BT always on I use about 50% during a normal working day.
Have my Z3C for about 3 weeks now, so only time will tell whether the battery lasts. However, this is not my first Sony phone and the Xperia U (about 2 years old, now being used by our son) hardly shows any degradation. Same goes with the Xperia M (1 year old) and still going like new. Adding to that, I never actually paid much attention to when or how I recharged....
Batteries don't usually go bad all at once. Instead, wearing out is more of a gradual process of not charging quite as high and discharging faster. Since this battery is so good to begin with, I would think compared to other devices you could buy right now it will last a long time.
A year from now you'll still get more life out of even an abused z3c battery than you'd get out of that undersized cell in a brand new Moto X.
Is it a myth or truth, that it will help my battery life if I completely drain my battery down and fully charge it up? I've yet to do this in the 2 weeks I've had this phone. I know it was the case many years ago and not sure with todays batteries. Something about building up the battery memory. I'm down to 23% as I type this.
google is your friend sir. that is only for the old NiCad batteries. from what ive read you actually dont really want to completely drain any battery because it becomes unstable at that point. the main tips are to keep it cool. top it off when you can, most say to plug it up around 50 %, dont leave it on charge forever. and dont extra load the battery. ( some people take it out at 100% and plug it back in to get the most juice out of it)
Some recommend it once a month, and some do it every other months. One time doesn't hurt
I for the last 5 years or so have never done any of that and can tell you I never have had issues with my battery
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Haha Anyone that tells you that it is good or makes a difference to totally discharge a battery and then charge it to fill will help the battery doesn't know what they are talking about. Only the old Ni-Cad (Nickel Cadium) batteries developed memory and needed full cycle discharges. The new batteries that are in phones Li-Ion (Lithium-Ion) do not develop a memory. In fact these batteries have a number of cycles before they go bad. Batteryuniversity.com explains that routinely charging a battery when it's under 25% will yield roughly 300 or so cycles (charging to full). At 50% remaining Battery you will get 1000-1200 charge cycles and charging the battery when 75% remaining you can get as many as 2000 charge cycles.
So the point is never let it drain all the way, and charge frequently. My Note 4 gets about 8-10 hours of screen on time and my average days I have about 2-3 hours of sot and charge my phone 70-80% battery left. My note 3 was the same and had it for a year and when I sold it a month ago. I was still getting the same battery life. Maybe 3-5% more drain from when I got it.
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I for the last 5 years or so have never done any of that and can tell you I never have had issues with my battery
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Yup. Same here. I charge the battery whenever I want... And let die if it has to. Plus, it's the enclosed battery users that should worry about that.
For the last few years I've been reading that it's best to charge your battery at around 30-40% up to 80 or 85%.
Despite this possibly being the best practice, I don't see much point in paying for a $1200+ with a 4100mah battery and only using 40-50% of it's capacity.
So do you charge at around 10% and then go up to a hundred?
Generally I charge when I need to. I like to be topped up to a 100% when I leave the house. Maybe this isn't best practice. I could wait until it get to about 20% but I am wary about using all the battery cycles up.
PLUS I doubt you're going to get 6-7 out SOT if you charge at around 30 or 40%.
So what do you guys do with your s10e, 10s or s10 +?
Charge it whenever. Why the heck limit myself to 60% (say from 20-80% when even my usage pattern won't cause the battery to wear down to 80% capacity over that same time frame by my charging methods?
I also don't tend to keep my phones for more than a year, so wear level doesn't really affect me much
There is no way to "charge it best". Just use it and charge it when needed.
People take out of date "battery knowledge" from the NiCAD battery days and think that modern batteries develop "memories" and things and that hasn't been the case in decades... Just use it and don't worry about it. A battery is only gonna last 2 years at best anyways, so who cares if you shorten that by 2 months?
I normally charge my S10 from 25% to 90%.
The battery of my previous S7 Edge started suffering after almost a year and a half because I used to always keep it charging overnight.
If you don't intend to keep using your phone for more than a year, then don't limit charging your phone. Even in the case it wears off after a year, you can get your battery replaced by Samsung and start fresh again.
I charge mine around 20-30% all the way to 100% . Then unplugged it whenever I need to.
Is there a good "battery charge limit" app that doesn't require root or Magisk? I used Battery Charge Limit (https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.slash.batterychargelimit&hl=en_US) and it works great, but requires root privilege. It allows you to set upper and lower limits for charging, so you don't overcharge or let your battery drain.
Batteries don't overcharge. They hit 100% and then trickle charge...
Li-Ion batteries are durable and easy to maintain, you can't overcharge them and also the charging cycles doesn't matter - when you use the integrated Charing electronics in your device. You can charge it for a few minutes over the whole day without losing any capacity. Only over the time the capacity will get lower and lower, but this is an issue you can't avoid.
The charging controller in your device cares about voltage and loading current, never put a current on a Li-Ion battery without current limiter and voltage regulator.
But Li-Ion are very sensitive to mechanical damages and production faults.
Thanks for all the advice guys. Nice to see that most of us feel the same way.
Agree with the others. Technically, for optimum life, they say it's best to be between 40%-80%.
But really, just charge it when you need to charge it. Don't worry about numbers or percentages. If you're only going to own the device for a few years, no matter how you charge your device, it's going to have absolutely no affect on the battery over that time. It'll still be holding almost the same amount of charge in a couple of years regardless of which "charging strategy" you use.
TLDR: don't worry about percentage, charge it when you feel like it or when it needs it.
Go here and follow these principles. End off.
https://www.apple.com/in/batteries/maximizing-performance/
I always stay in the range from 40/50% to 75/80% on my Galaxy Note 8 which I had for 18mos.
Accubattery shows it still has 97% capacity.
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I always stay in the range from 40/50% to 75/80% on my Galaxy Note 8 which I had for 18mos.
Accubattery shows it still has 97% capacity.
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so you probably charge ur phone 6 times a day? no thanks
@SquireSCA I believe it's a narrow-minded approach to say that the phone battery will "last 2 years at best anyways, so who cares". I'm currently still rocking my Samsung Galaxy S5 which I bought brand new just over 5 years ago now on it's original battery. The battery is by no means like it was when it was new, but it will still last a day of light usage, and still runs perfectly fine with Android 5 installed. This preservation of the battery comes after years of charging it slowly on a charger outputting less than 1 amp and also making sure it rarely goes below 20%, spending most of it's time between 20%-80%.
If you you want to double your battery life you have to keep your li-ion battery between 3.7V and 4.2V. you have to stop the charge when the battery reach 4.2V so it means you have to keep your battery between 15%-85%.
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Personally I keep my battery between 15-85% which is sufficient to double it's battery life for a 3-year usage without big losses
Idk i heard ppl saying you should let it completely drain and recharge at least once a month. i charge at 15%. Oh well i only keep this phone for a year and then sell it.
It's mostly BS. There are hundreds of charging theories and no battery experts here so pick one and go with it. Pick the wrong one and instead of getting 8 hours on your batter 2 years down the road you'll probably only get 7.5 hours.
Hey, got a weird issue with my device.
Just 4 years old piece and already this has a dead battery!!! Cannot use it anymore basically... drains overnight on airplane mode from 75-80% to 0 in 7 hours!!! Last night I left it fully charged and shut down just to not starting anymore this morning because there is no power left, battery is EMPTY!!! Just barely started to charge!!! Something is wrong with this phone, really wrong!!!
I tried custom roms but the phone has the same behavior... so I came back to MIUI 12.5 just to be in the same position and to have the same conclusion: I HAVE A DEAD BATTERY!!!
I went back to my old Redmi Note 5 Pro with a custom rom... just like knew. How is this even possible??? An older device, with same amount of use have a better battery life than a newer device??? Different battery manufacturer, some production flaw in the battery production? Either way, conclusion is clear: NEW BATTERY... so, so disappointed by this situation...
Batteries get old and die , you have to change it , or maybe there is a short circuit on the motherboard , best option is to take it to a repair shop
I know.
But I found out that in fact my phone is only 2 years and 3 months old??? So, is this battery old enough to die? I guess there is something else here.
In the meantime, I already change the battery, sadly not with an original one... and so far so good, but only a few days passed. This battery however is acting strange! Does not charge more than 86%. Aida64 reports battery full at this precent... but I guess time will tell if I made a bad/ good choice.
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I know.
But I found out that in fact my phone is only 2 years and 3 months old??? So, is this battery old enough to die? I guess there is something else here.
In the meantime, I already change the battery, sadly not with an original one... and so far so good, but only a few days passed. This battery however is acting strange! Does not charge more than 86%. Aida64 reports battery full at this precent... but I guess time will tell if I made a bad/ good choice.
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encounter the same problem after 4 years of using redmi note 8 battery drains so fast unlike before and changing the battery to a new one it either does not fully charges it to 100 percent and it shutdown when my battery percent is around 20 or so percent but when I try to connect a charge and remove it, it will open up to that 20% or so percentage and continue to be used, I'm guessing the it need a battery calibration but I know really know what to follow on the internet.