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Should I Pick a Nexus One or HTC Desire?

Hey Guys!
I'm very confused with which phone to pick. Desire has better speaker and it seems not many problems compared to Nexus One however i like the looks of Nexus One a lot better since it reminds me of my old iPhone 1G. I have been using an iPhone from last 3 years almost and want to switch.
Both these phones are available in the grey market and will carry very limited warranty. Desire is cheaper by almost 100$.
So for those who have picked a Nexus One, would you switch to HTC Desire if a choice was given?
Some of the problems with Nexus One that I seem to have found out :
1) Touch Sensitive buttons
2) Loudspeaker is not too loud due to bad placement of speaker and the voice is distorted?
3) Issues with the screen where the phone becomes unresponsive and one needs to restart the phone.
4) Screen burn in of Notification bar.
I personally really like the Google branding at the back
Please help me out with your opinion.
Thx

I went from a iPhone 3GS to a Nexus One and I won't ever look back. Also in my opinion the Nexus One is a whole lot better then the Desire in terms of design and also the fact that Google's updates are released 1st on it and the XDA community is so big on the Nexus that literally everyday you can find something new.
In summary, my advise is go with the Nexus.

Yeah! I was hoping Sense UI would be released soon for it through a rom, good updates are available, lets hope a proper one is released with not that many bugs

Issues number 3 & 4 are the same on both phones. Both phones use the same touchscreen and OLED components.

Issue 1:
There is nothing wrong with the touch sensitive buttons. I've never had any troubles with them, they take a little getting used to as they are different then regular pressure buttons. Plus you get a small haptic feedback vibrate when one is pressed so after a while you never notice that they are any different then regular pressure buttons.
Issue 2:
The loudspeaker is about as loud as an iphone, however it is on the back of the phone and if you are looking at the screen it can sound lower because it is not facing any longer.
Issue 3:
Never happened to me. But tech in general sometimes freeze and restart nothing that would be different from nexus one vs the desire.
Issue 4:
Totally abnormal, this can only happen if you NEVER let your screen go to black when it is not is use. To my knowledge the recent post on this problem is the ONLY time i have ever heard this complaint.
Now as to which one to chose that is harder to explain. The are both fonominal phones, not just because they are android, but because they are mildly the same phone bundled differently. I personally would ALWAYS go with the Google branded phones because google tends to favor them, giving them first rights to new updates like froyo, and flash. I personally don't like the way the desire looks with the physical buttons but thats personal.

PrawnPoBoy said:
Issues number 3 & 4 are the same on both phones. Both phones use the same touchscreen and OLED components.
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Except the Desire uses a black notification bar by default, so the burn-in would be greatly reduced.

liam.lah said:
Except the Desire uses a black notification bar by default, so the burn-in would be greatly reduced.
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unless ofcourse if youre using the desire rom

I chose the nexus one over the htc desire. I owned the desire for about 2 weeks and that i wanted a phone with faster browser speeds cause all i do is browse the web and watch youtube videos. long story short, i sold the desire, then picked up the nexus and rooted it the desire rom. THE BEST OF BOTH WORLDS! HTC DESIRE WITH NEXUS 3G SPEEDS.

I just went through all this, to me the desire is the nicer phone, and sense is an improvement on an already good UI. But the prospect of a 2.2 update swayed me to buy the nexus. The touch button issue isnt a big deal, you get used to them and touching the top half.
The nexus tracker ball isnt as ugly as i thought it would be, it much smaller than the one on my magic. If HTC didn't already have a bad history of updating the android version on their sense phones i'd have def gone for the desire.
BTW people always say you can use custom roms, i used loads on my magic and they were always unstable in some way and in the end I went back to standard.

pmb5 said:
BTW people always say you can use custom roms, i used loads on my magic and they were always unstable in some way and in the end I went back to standard.
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You are forgetting the the Nexus has a whole lot more support from the community in terms of development which is why I have yet to try a unstable ROM...
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Noise cancellation for the win
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Swypin' on my Nexus

I am not a fan of Sense UI, and love vanilla Android.
With Froyo, I'm sure they have fixed the dodgy screen calibration too, as the capacitive buttons now respond when pressed in the "proper" place, as opposed to half a centimetre higher above the icon, which was the case before.
If you're not bothered by Sense, like the idea of having an FM radio, and are not interested in having the latest release of Android before everyone else, or custom ROMs, then I'd say go for the Desire.
Otherwise, Nexus all the way.

1. Touch sensitive buttons are much better responsive on Froyo but still not perfect.
2. The speakers are fine. Noise cancellation is great. The inbuilt speaker on the back is pretty **** tho'.
3 & 4 as mentioned. Both model will suffer from this.
Want Desire ROM.. Paul got it.

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BTW people always say you can use custom roms, i used loads on my magic and they were always unstable in some way and in the end I went back to standard.
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I've never come across an unstable rom for the Nexus.

From what I hear, people are also bricking their Desires when trying to unlock and root them. The Nexus One has built in support for unlocking, so no brick possibility at all unless you flash the wrong radio or interrupt the radio flash.
And you might only flash a radio every 6 months or so, if that much.

If there's a way to remove sense ui completely then I might consider the desire.

i like the sense ui and plan to run it. Which is the most stable version? Afaik, the recent roms are having issues with long text messages and other things.

The only thing that will make your decision is if you want Sense UI or not. That's something you can't use other peoples opinions about because some people hate it (me) and some people love it. I'd say use Sense UI and use a stock Android ROM and see which one you want. Also look at the pros and cons of each and see what features you want the most.
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I'd say if you like Sense UI get the Desire. That's what its there for. Personally I love stock UI

Nexus One = Froyo, will have to wait months to get it on Desire, and the same will happen when Gingerbread comes and every OS after that so pretty much there is no way I would ever take a Desire over the Nexus One considering they are essentially the same phone. I am considering swapping my Nexus for an EVO though LOL Will be hard to give up Froyo but that 4.3" screen is amazing.

Here's why the Nexus 4's touch still doesn't feel like the Galaxy or iPhone

In the recent 4.3 update, the Nexus 4's touch screen was revamped, and obtained much increased responsiveness. The same responsiveness you get on a Galaxy or iPhone device. But something still didn't feel right to me, it wasn't AS responsive (on the home screens) to me as a Galaxy Note 2, or an iPhone.
It's because when you swipe, there's this initial, miniscule, 2-3mm delay before it chooses to swipe. Similar to that 1cm pinch-to-zoom delay, which I believe is a feature to prevent accidental scrolling. Try it yourself: Swipe your finger for around 2-3mm, and you will note nothing happening. I think that swipe delay is also a "feature" to let your finger move a little when holding the home screen for the menu to pop up, so I believe it can be fixed, because the touch software otherwise should be on par with other devices. LG/Google should get rid of these delays altogether to be honest, the majority doesn't prefer them anyway.

I feel it's more like the dead zone has been increased, I don't like it what ever it is.
Gone back to the 015 driver from initial 4.2 pre release.

I don't mind nor really notice it.
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OnlySkills said:
In the recent 4.3 update, the Nexus 4's touch screen was revamped, and obtained much increased responsiveness. The same responsiveness you get on a Galaxy or iPhone device.
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I really couldn't see the difference from the previous version. The "dead zones" feel exactly the same as they were before. Good thing it's barely noticeable and not too annoying unless you're paying attention to it.

Yea but is there anyway to reach out to them so they can just take out this delay? It'll become Galaxy-like smooth..everybody wants that. No one cares really about their featured 'delay'

I'd rather my phone not pick up a touch that I didn't want it to than have to deliberately touch something twice. Just my 2¢
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hope some dev work on it a fix it..

My sister has an iPhone 5 and I had an S2 and personally I haven't noticed any difference between them now that I'm on 4.3.
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Nitpicking a near perfecting device won't get you any closer to "winning"
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I hadn't noticed this, and tested your 2-3mm claim on a stock, rooted 4.3 using the stock launcher with a widget on the homescreen... I still don't notice it! While there is a certain 'delay', 2-3mm seems vastly overstated. Having used galaxy s4, HTC one and iPhone 5 I see little discernible difference, and I'd be very surprised if they all do not feature some kind of touch recognition delay.
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Uncle Lizard said:
I'd rather my phone not pick up a touch that I didn't want it to than have to deliberately touch something twice. Just my 2¢
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+1. I haven't updated yet, but if this resolves the issue of accidentally selecting an item rather than swiping, then I am 100% all for it.

I never understood those problems people had with touch on the Nexus 4 apart from the pinch delay. Thats the only difference I notice from my brothers S3
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Nexus 4 feels just fine in my opinion. Don't notice any delays.
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i'm wondering there are so many top dev working on this device but no one can't (or don't want) solve toch and pinch zoom problem..

Dark Fear said:
i'm wondering there are so many top dev working on this device but no one can't (or don't want) solve toch and pinch zoom problem..
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I loaded CM 10.2 and don't see any issues so far.

It's difficult to notice any delay when you're used to something that has it. For example, my friend's TV has a lot of TV lag when used for gaming. If I hit A for jump in the game, I will have to wait about 100ms for it to show up on the screen. My TV, however, does not have lag as bad as this. Mines is about 30ms so for FPSs it is much more responsive. He doesn't notice this because his screen is already slow but when I play on his TV I notice a substantial amount of lag. When he plays on my TV he doesn't notice that it is very much faster. This is because it is harder to notice that something is slow when you're used to it.
This is a similar to phone responsiveness. My ipod touch 4th gen (which I had before my Galaxy s2 and NEX4) probably has a very slow processor but the software/hardware is optimized so there is no touch lag. Even with my nexus 4's beast quadcore processor, the touch performance is still better on my two year old ipod. I notice this because I have come from a faster device and I can notice the lag. You guys who haven't gotten used to more responsive devices may not notice the difference, but I and many others do. It's not just us being nitpicky, touch response if a very integral part of a TOUCH screen. I find myself having more difficulty typing on my nexus 4 because the sensitivity is just not high enough. I can type at a much faster pace on my ipod touch because the touch sensitivity is a lot better. In this regard, sensitivity makes a substantial difference in the user experience. I have had many mistaps and retaps on my nexus 4 when my taps did not register properly and I had to hit the same button over and over again. Swipes and other things are also slower than on my itouch.
If you play fruit ninja, for example, when you drag your finger on the screen you can see the cutting line trail behind on the nexus 4. On my itouch, however, the cutting line remains right below my finger and I cannot see the tip. This is the 2-3mm the OP is talking about.
just thought I'd share my opinion.

I sure hope it wont! Because I feel the touch responsiveness and accuracy on any 4/4s/5 iphone device is really through the floor.
Dont really feel any difference on the s3 compared to the new nexus 4 though.

I've noticed this delay too. Is there a kernel that allows you to adjust touch sensitivity for 4.3?

i've no problem with this delay.. my issue is pinch zoom problem.. i have to pinch at least 2 times to zoom enough..
it's software issue.. 'cause Mozzila Firefox doesn't have this problem..

It's not a "problem" or something that can be easily "noticed". The thing is, it's there. I can just feel that the Galaxy Note 2/S3/S4's swiping between home screens is instantaneous with the finger, just as the iPhone's is. The Nexus 4, is right up there, but I can see just that initial delay. It doesn't seem like the touchscreen doesn't recognize your finger, but more of a software "feature" where it won't recognize it on purpose.

T-Mobile Flex vs VZW Note2.. Its what I'm coming from

Despite the fact I'm posting from my note2, I do own the Flex. I've had it for less than 24 hours, and I have my first impressions.
On my first charge, I experienced sub-par battery life compared to my Note2 on Verizon running Beans22 which is underclocked in both CPU and GPU.
I have switched from Verizon to T-Mobile and I get very similar reception on both phones (LTE) at home, and HSPA+/3g at work. Must be same cell tower for both carriers. I live and work in Ashburn VA, and I'm positive of the towers location.
I use my phone a lot for gaming, particularly Heroes of Order and Chaos. I don't think the Flex can handle that game as well as Note2 in regard to battery life. Performance is about the same...
Network lag on Tmo is worse than VZW, but the bandwidth on TMO is nucking futs. 30mbps TMO vs 12mbps VZW. I don't know what's up with the lag.
Screens. I have to give it to the Note2 for quality, but I love the size of the Flex's screen. I like the curved appearance. That's unique and worth the trade off in quality.
Quality is weird here. Resolution is the same, it its the grainyness I'm not liking, and it noticeable in solid textures such as the drop down menu. Brightness.. I haven't tested outdoor yet. That's a true test for me, but I will have to get to it later.
I love what LG has done with the interface. Its like having a custom ROM without the problems associated with a custom ROM. Add root, new battery icon, and remove ads, and I'm set. I have yet to do these just yet, but I will, and functionality will be that of my rooted Note2. Won't have the ability to under and over clock as I do with my Note's unlocked bootloader, but oh well.
Camera. Note2 all the way. There are tons more features, and low light quality on the Note blows away the Flex. I'm not happy with the Flex's camera actually, and it may be a determining factor in returning this device and getting the Note3. I haven't tried video as I don't shot much video in real life.
Button placement. Man that's just something you have to adapt to I suppose. I'm still fumbling around with the power button so I understand up using the knock function a lot, but sometimes it just doesn't work. That's kind of annoying. Sometimes I have to knock several times to get it to work. sometimes it works the first time, and when it does there is a lag.
Note2 has capacitive back and menu buttons along with a physical power button. I really love that because at all times you maximize your screen real estate because its not being consumed by the on screen buttons. If you subtract the on screen menu button real estate from the Flex and compare that screen size with the Note2, they are about the same in size, the Flex being a bit wider.
Note3 for me maybe?
Any questions, let me know I will be happy to answer them.
Cheers!
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I'm also coming from the note 2 but I disagree with the battery life statement. I'm getting like 10 hours screen time with this when I would only get like 4 or 5 from the note. This phone is a beast.
Otherwise everything else I agree with. Display, picture, sound, etc were all better on the note, albeit by not a whole lot.
Overall I'm satisfied with the phone. The aesthetics are nice, screen size is exactly what I wanted, battery life is phenomenal and it's super fast.
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You can hide the buttons on your lg flex without root. Battery life is worlds better on the flex even better than the note 3. Besides display i seen nothing on Samsung that's better imo. I did like my note 3 for pics but haven't really checked the flex yet. I really like my flex better than the note 3 or 2. Out would've been far superior if the flex would've had the 1080p display. Can't wait till second generation of the flex.
Funny thing is i liked my note 2 Better than i do my note 3. But at the same time i like the flex better than both. Glad to have had all three. There are all great devices,
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Yea, they are all great, and great for different reasons.
Maybe my first charge was not true to what consecutive charges will be. I'm on my second charge, and it seems okay. Nothing I'd write home about.
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is it true that when you crank the brightness up over 50, any "graininess" on the screen is pretty much gone?
surprised to hear the camera isnt up to par with the note 2..
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Yes, its true, the brighter you set the display, the less you see the grain. Also being in a bright environment helps too such as outdoors or in a well lit room.
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wase4711 said:
is it true that when you crank the brightness up over 50, any "graininess" on the screen is pretty much gone?
surprised to hear the camera isnt up to par with the note 2..
thanks
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Yea its true and i dont know if its just me getting use to it or that the phone has broken in but screen is looking better than initially. I remeber there was some device that the screen need to get some use so they can get broken in or something like that.
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Dude, I'm totally thinking the same thing. Its not that I don't notice it, I simply can't find the grainyness even if I look for it. I'm mean its there... But not like I remember it
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sometimes, when a thought is planted in your mind, you go out of your way to look for things..
after a day or 2, when you just chilllax and use it as normal, you dont see what you were obsessed with b4
or, its actually possible after a few days, the display "Breaks in" somewhat..sort of like not calibrating a TV until you have at least 100 hours or more on it...

Tornlogic said:
Despite the fact I'm posting from my note2, I do own the Flex. I've had it for less than 24 hours, and I have my first impressions.
On my first charge, I experienced sub-par battery life compared to my Note2 on Verizon running Beans22 which is underclocked in both CPU and GPU.
I have switched from Verizon to T-Mobile and I get very similar reception on both phones (LTE) at home, and HSPA+/3g at work. Must be same cell tower for both carriers. I live and work in Ashburn VA, and I'm positive of the towers location.
I use my phone a lot for gaming, particularly Heroes of Order and Chaos. I don't think the Flex can handle that game as well as Note2 in regard to battery life. Performance is about the same...
Network lag on Tmo is worse than VZW, but the bandwidth on TMO is nucking futs. 30mbps TMO vs 12mbps VZW. I don't know what's up with the lag.
Screens. I have to give it to the Note2 for quality, but I love the size of the Flex's screen. I like the curved appearance. That's unique and worth the trade off in quality.
Quality is weird here. Resolution is the same, it its the grainyness I'm not liking, and it noticeable in solid textures such as the drop down menu. Brightness.. I haven't tested outdoor yet. That's a true test for me, but I will have to get to it later.
I love what LG has done with the interface. Its like having a custom ROM without the problems associated with a custom ROM. Add root, new battery icon, and remove ads, and I'm set. I have yet to do these just yet, but I will, and functionality will be that of my rooted Note2. Won't have the ability to under and over clock as I do with my Note's unlocked bootloader, but oh well.
Camera. Note2 all the way. There are tons more features, and low light quality on the Note blows away the Flex. I'm not happy with the Flex's camera actually, and it may be a determining factor in returning this device and getting the Note3. I haven't tried video as I don't shot much video in real life.
Button placement. Man that's just something you have to adapt to I suppose. I'm still fumbling around with the power button so I understand up using the knock function a lot, but sometimes it just doesn't work. That's kind of annoying. Sometimes I have to knock several times to get it to work. sometimes it works the first time, and when it does there is a lag.
Note2 has capacitive back and menu buttons along with a physical power button. I really love that because at all times you maximize your screen real estate because its not being consumed by the on screen buttons. If you subtract the on screen menu button real estate from the Flex and compare that screen size with the Note2, they are about the same in size, the Flex being a bit wider.
Note3 for me maybe?
Any questions, let me know I will be happy to answer them.
Cheers!
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You talked about possibly going to the Note 3, which I have. What would be the major difference that works sway you to the Note 3. I enjoy it and like having the SD card functionality because all my music is on there and I also use it to take notes a basketball coach.
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Also coming from a Note 2. Unless they are side by side i feel the G Flex is smaller, i think its because the curve and small bessel. So if this was a flat 6 inch it would probably look and feel bigger. I forget its in my front picked. Lol. Enjoying it.

Thanks for the thread guys. I've got a note 2, but getting bored (it's been a year in one phone which is very new to me). Don't really want a note 3 because it's basically a slightly bigger version of what I have. I'm really thinking about the flex. Glad to see some reviews of actual owners who have had both.
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alhadee12 said:
You talked about possibly going to the Note 3, which I have. What would be the major difference that works sway you to the Note 3. I enjoy it and like having the SD card functionality because all my music is on there and I also use it to take notes a basketball coach.
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Mainly the on screen buttons annoy me. Sometimes when I'm typing , instead of hitting the space bar I end up hitting the home button.
The screen quality
Sd card
Stylus
Minusus:
I hate touch wiz. It doesn't bother me on my note 2 because it's rommed.
Don't like Sammy radios
Cost more
Not curved. I love the Flex for that
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Tornlogic said:
Mainly the on screen buttons annoy me. Sometimes when I'm typing , instead of hitting the space bar I end up hitting the home button.
The screen quality
Sd card
Stylus
Minusus:
I hate touch wiz. It doesn't bother me on my note 2 because it's rommed.
Don't like Sammy radios
Cost more
Not curved. I love the Flex for that
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In not a big Touchwiz fan either. It just provides me the opportunity to do different things with the stylus and multitasking. I do think the curve firm factor could be useful.
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I find the multitasking on the lg UI more intuitive than Touch Wiz. I did use my stylus on my note2 only for taking notes, but the Flex had a wonderful note app that I like more, and I use my fingernail, and the screen has no issue detecting my fingernail
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I'll likely stop into a store to take a longer look at it. Take the opportunity to go through the phone some and see what it really has to offer.
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HTC One M8 complaint thread.

I figure I make one thread where we all can voice our possible dislikes with this phone without having to create multiple threads with different complaints.
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Why make a complaint thread?? If you don't like a phone get another one.
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I love this phone. But you know with every great new device there's something to complain about. So why not just talk about it? Like I would of loved the settings button to be on the bottom rather than pulling down the top bar.
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not being able to use data while on a call is my only complaint. great phone other than that

smooth703 said:
not being able to use data while on a call is my only complaint. great phone other than that
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That's definitely sucks. Unfortunately that's something we going have to get use to.
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Complaints:
* The M8's screen is almost impossible to see when wearing polarized sunglasses. This problem is only when you hold the phone in portrait mode. In landscape mode it looks fine. This is a common problem with LCD screens, but there are steps HTC could have taken to eliminate it, such as using a 45 degree extinction angle, or using a compensating film.
* Button placement: I do not like M8's button placement. I find it hard to turn the phone on or off without inadvertently pressing one of the volume buttons. I greatly prefer M7's recessed volume rocker to M8's non-recessed rocker.
* THIS MAY BE FIXED WITH THE NEW RADIO FIRMWARE IN THE 1.54 UPDATE: My biggest complaint is the fact that the phone often takes over an hour to connect to LTE even when there is a STRONG signal.

My complaints:
1. The power button being on the top of such a large phone is pretty annoying. I came from the GS3, which had the lovely side power button. This is something that I will get used to though. It'd be nice if they made a gesture to lock the phone too.
2. Since the latest update, my mobile signal has been poor. Where I used to get LTE, I now get 3G only. My wifi signal is fantastic compared to the GS3, but the mobile internet is looking rough. If I don't see improvement, I may need to replace the phone to see if it can get better.
Everything else is just incredible. Even with these complaints, I freaking love this phone!

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not being able to use data while on a call is my only complaint. great phone other than that
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IDK, I can use call+data on 3/4G, it's just not supposed to be possible on spark, which I don't have in my area

hazmad said:
IDK, I can use call+data on 3/4G, it's just not supposed to be possible on spark, which I don't have in my area
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i dont think we have spark in virginia still cant do both

hazmad said:
IDK, I can use call+data on 3/4G, it's just not supposed to be possible on spark, which I don't have in my area
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No you can't.
Only way that's possible is if you're on wifi (obviously).

Here are mine, which I'm sure others have mentioned.
1) Size; I actually prefer the size of the M7 over this. It's hard to reach the power button as someone mentioned and the phone is very hard to hold without a case because it's slippery. It almost feels like I'm holding a gigantic EVO LTE. The m7 felt right in my hands. I was surprised because most of the reviews mentioned that it was easier to hold than the m7 due to the curved back. Using it with one hand is pretty tough because I'm so afraid I'm going to drop it.
2) The Gun Metal Gray definitely scratches very easy. I have a small scratch on the back of my phone already and I'm not quite sure how I got it since I baby my phone like my own kid. i was actually going to wait out for the silver version, but with Bestbuy price matching Amazon in conjunction with their $50 instant credit for people who registered their numbers, I felt like I needed to jump on it for $100.
3) Loss of data randomly (never happened on my M7); I understand there is only one antenna and Spark phones rely on CSFB and that it will eventually be fixed.
No other complaints other than those 3. Love the SD Card, Boomsound Speakers, Camera (Yes I do) and the amazing battery life. I no longer have to worry about running out of juice for the entire day.

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No you can't.
Only way that's possible is if you're on wifi (obviously).
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Ya, you're right I can't do it on this phone, could do it on my old one though

Apparently unlocking the bootloader prevents you from redeeming the Google Drive bonus. I still bought the device so why no freebie?
Still glad to be s off though.

newalker91 said:
I'm very tempted to buy this phone on my upgrade but I know that I do not want to cover it up with a case. My hands are rather grippy on smooth surfaces so I find the gunmetal gray to have a perfect finish. What I want to know is how scuffable the finish is on this phone. I only ever keep it in an empty clean pocket or laying back-down on my desk which is usually clean. Will I have an issue with tiny scratches accumulating in the clearcoat?
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I've gotten a couple light scratches and I baby my phone. Not sure how I got them. Never had a problem on the back of the m7.

Anyone else's earpiece crackle during a call or when listening to music? I've been through 2 of them that have been that way. Not sure if its supposed to be this way or what. It's not on the bottom speaker, just the top one.
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I ****ing loathe the bootsound with a passion
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My Observations
I got this phone as a precursor to replace my 5S, if the iPhone 6 doesn't have a 5" screen. I've only had it one day so far my observations are:
The phone takes a long time to load web pages and play youtube videos
The placement of the buttons is a bit awkward.
The Knock feature doesn't work all the time, nor do the swipe to unlock.
I must've gotten a factory defect, the screen is starting to come off in the upper right hand corner where the front camera sits. How that happened? I couldn't tell you.
I have the Sprint Spark Icon in the notification bar (Spark is in Orlando) but the switch between networks is sometimes slow.
Sometimes to get rid of notifications, I have to reboot the phone. Some icons will stay in the notification area even after the app is closed or I clear it.
Coming over from iOS, not being able to quick scroll to the top of a page is frustrating to say the least. The only place that works is in Blinkfeed, which is pretty cool, IMO, thus far.
Twitter apps for Android suck (can't knock the phone for that though.)

I hate the loud beep you get in your ear when ending a call if you're wearing a Bluetooth.
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My only gripe is the stupid HTC in a space not used for anything else. If we are dropping capacitive buttons, give us more screen in that spot... not a space for logo.

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I ****ing loathe the bootsound with a passion
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What's wrong with it
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Considering S2 purchase (T813 9.7)

I'd like to ask you experts some questions regarding this tablet.
My current Nexus 9 is quite slow and has a cracked screen, so I'm looking to replace it with some decent hardware and a close to stock android experience.
I have real trouble finding something suitable, and I'm considering the tab S2 9.7 with the purpose of having a custom rom on it, maybe lineage.
I can't stand the hardware keys that Samsung uses (with the recents and back buttons the wrong way around and still using the bloody kitkat icons)
It would be alright if I could just ignore them and use softkeys navbar instead. Do any custom roms support an on-screen nav bar?

You should upgrade to S2 . Google phone and tablet suks and expensive. It is a very good tablet and reasonable price $250-300 for refurbished one, like new out of the box. As for hardware key, I never use it except home button for fs log in. I use GMD gesture (free) for navigation and it work quite well for back, home, recent apps, full screen. For me I like stock Rom, it is not that bad like people said. It is stable, smooth and good battery.

ASW1 said:
I'd like to ask you experts some questions regarding this tablet.
My current Nexus 9 is quite slow and has a cracked screen, so I'm looking to replace it with some decent hardware and a close to stock android experience.
I have real trouble finding something suitable, and I'm considering the tab S2 9.7 with the purpose of having a custom rom on it, maybe lineage.
I can't stand the hardware keys that Samsung uses (with the recents and back buttons the wrong way around and still using the bloody kitkat icons)
It would be alright if I could just ignore them and use softkeys navbar instead. Do any custom roms support an on-screen nav bar?
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I don't like them too. But if you will use it everyday it will subside. Now i even kind of like them. I use them with combination with 'home button' app. I customized it to up-downleft to back button so i don't have to press this squishi home button everytime. I don't think you need custom rom until 8.0. Stock 7.0 is looks good and almost bugless. In a half a year probably. I had and still have nexus 9 too.

I don't think I will subside, I haven't made my choice yet. But if there's no way of using a navigation bar instead of the hard keys that's probably going to be a deal-breaker for me.
I'm also considering the pixel C and although I don't like the weight and price of that, it's got a lot of good points.
The Lenovo tab 4 10 plus could be good too, but I don't see much support for that happening in the future. In that case I'd rather pay a 100 more and get the pixel.

ASW1 said:
I don't think I will subside, I haven't made my choice yet. But if there's no way of using a navigation bar instead of the hard keys that's probably going to be a deal-breaker for me.
I'm also considering the pixel C and although I don't like the weight and price of that, it's got a lot of good points.
The Lenovo tab 4 10 plus could be good too, but I don't see much support for that happening in the future. In that case I'd rather pay a 100 more and get the pixel.
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I was a previous user of the Nexus 9 as well and the T813 I got now is much better (except for the speakers). As for the buttons, using Omni you can use on screen nav buttons natively and disable the hardware buttons (I find the hardware buttons better but YMMV).

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I was a previous user of the Nexus 9 as well and the T813 I got now is much better (except for the speakers). As for the buttons, using Omni you can use on screen nav buttons natively and disable the hardware buttons (I find the hardware buttons better but YMMV).
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Thanks for your response, are you using Omni yourself?
I'm wondering how well the softkeys work. I presume for instance the on screen keyboard gets moved up a bit so that the space bar for instance is not partly underneath the navigation bar? (Don't know how else to explain this without giving an example)

ASW1 said:
Thanks for your response, are you using Omni yourself?
I'm wondering how well the softkeys work. I presume for instance the on screen keyboard gets moved up a bit so that the space bar for instance is not partly underneath the navigation bar? (Don't know how else to explain this without giving an example)
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Yes, I'm using Omni myself. Just switched from LineageOS yesterday in fact. So far it runs great with Magisk and my usual apps. As for the navigation bars, the experience is just like the Nexus 9 where the space bar is moved on top of the nav bar instead of under it. It's not an overlay afterall.

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Yes, I'm using Omni myself. Just switched from LineageOS yesterday in fact. So far it runs great with Magisk and my usual apps. As for the navigation bars, the experience is just like the Nexus 9 where the space bar is moved on top of the nav bar instead of under it. It's not an overlay afterall.
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And why did you decide to move away from lineageOS? I see that for each Omni install you have to do a full wipe. I was hoping that on my next tablet I would get away from flashing custom roms because it just eats up too much time. I'm not very enthusiastic about buying an S2 just for putting Omni rom on it and making myself dependent on that.
Maybe I'm just being too picky, love the screen and form factor of the S2 but I don't want to use this clicking home button all the time. I had that for a while on an iPhone that I used and I hated that button more every day.

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And why did you decide to move away from lineageOS? I see that for each Omni install you have to do a full wipe. I was hoping that on my next tablet I would get away from flashing custom roms because it just eats up too much time. I'm not very enthusiastic about buying an S2 just for putting Omni rom on it and making myself dependent on that.
Maybe I'm just being too picky, love the screen and form factor of the S2 but I don't want to use this clicking home button all the time. I had that for a while on an iPhone that I used and I hated that button more every day.
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I'm was having some weird stutters with LineageOS + Magisk so I figured I'll try Omni. I share your sentiments as well about having a tablet that I don't need to mess about with but right now there's just not much of a choice available. The Pixel C has issues, the Tab S3 is outrageously expensive (in my country) and the Zenpad 3S has no root so I'm left with the Tab S2. I actually had an iPad Air 2 for a month before buying the Tab S2, but I sold it because it can't do what I need it to do and iOS gets on my nerves.

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I'm was having some weird stutters with LineageOS + Magisk so I figured I'll try Omni. I share your sentiments as well about having a tablet that I don't need to mess about with but right now there's just not much of a choice available. The Pixel C has issues, the Tab S3 is outrageously expensive (in my country) and the Zenpad 3S has no root so I'm left with the Tab S2. I actually had an iPad Air 2 for a month before buying the Tab S2, but I sold it because it can't do what I need it to do and iOS gets on my nerves.
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Out of curiosity, what couldn't you Air 2 do that you needed it to do? I have both an Air 2 and an 8" Tab S2 and I'm finding I use the S2 more because of the handy form factor and it does most things I want it to do quite well.
The S2 is the first Android tablet that I haven't rooted and put a custom ROM on - I'm sticking with Nougat and Nova Prime as a launcher.

What did you buy? I find now nav bar pesky on my phone and like capacitive buttons though like you don't like mechanical button (replaced with swipe up) , i hate it in iphone too, they could have ridden of that stupid home button years ago, completly useless but they persisteed. Now iphone x, swipe to home. I remember I was doing that with ipod touch 2 and 4, swipe to home with activator cydia app. After 7 years they've decided to do the same, what a progress

I went from the Nexus 9 to the 8" tab S2.
It isn't blazingly fast, but its very consistent. (which is the opposite of the Nexus 9.) I use an app that swaps the hardware buttons the other way around. The S2 can also keep a few things in memory unlike the N9. :victory: