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The release is planned for October, but there are bound to be betas beforehand.
Normally with Ubuntu there are major new releases every six months(ish) and with being open source there is no risk of anyone spitting the dummy at libraries of ROMS.
http://www.ubuntu.com/news/ubuntu-for-mobile-internet-devices
For the benefit of those wondering WTF ubuntu is - its already been voted one of the top 100 products of 2007 in PC World. (Can products be free?)
http://www.pcworld.com/article/id,131935-page,13/article.html
It is also being offered now by Dell as an alternative to Vista...
http://direct2dell.com/one2one/archive/2007/05/01/13147.aspx
...prompted by Michael Dell using it on his home PC for years.
Well, if I'm not mistaken, the Mobile Internet Device referred by the news, are UMPCs (e.g. fully functional PCs). As such, porting the OS over is easy job, as compared to porting it over WinCe devices.
However, having said that, it is not all lost. With Intel on the market with Linux, chances are, probably there will be more applications written for Linux based OS and will then encourage the dev on Linux on WinCe (if you google, there is a Linux for Wizard project running already).
As far as I know there have been a few shots at linux for the wizard (et al), although the benefit of being ubuntu would be a far wider range of developers, the release structure they favour, and the finances to back it.
I still have a windows 98 boot (for some specific software than runs badly on any newer versions) and if you look at the spec of machines from then (I swapped the board, processor and memory from a Cyrix 166 with 32meg, to a pII 450 with 128 meg about late 1998), the older machines spec does not look particularly good compared to the wizards.
The xubuntu flavour of ubuntu is quite capable of extending the life of older hardware, by running more efficiently - and I have set up a few older machines I was given as scrap to play games for friends' children - to introduce them to 'proper computers' when it does not matter as much when they discover jacobs crackers fit in the floppy, or a CD rom cannot close with enough force to cut off action mans legs.
Anyway - returning to the plot - I would suspect xubuntu is currently not too far from working in a PDA - but the xubuntu project has far lower funding than ubuntu, but could be an excellent platform to adapt.
Well, as far as I know, Linux based systems do not 'really' run more efficiently. The primary reason that Linux OS is able to utilize older hardware is that it is lightweight. Thats like running DOS on older hardware.. it works well.
die, bill, DIE
hanmin said:
Well, as far as I know, Linux based systems do not 'really' run more efficiently. The primary reason that Linux OS is able to utilize older hardware is that it is lightweight. Thats like running DOS on older hardware.. it works well.
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Nah, its my experience that ALL windows OSs are resource hoggging pigs and linux isn't and it makes much better use of system resource than winblows
take a web server running apache under winnt, replace the os with a flavor of linux and the same machine running apache has more throughput than before.
and there are distros that run very well on just about any machine, put xp on a 200mhz pentium mmx and see if you have a useable machine, that same puter with linux will work great for the average joe blow who just, web browses, emails, does word processing/ doc. creation.
linux will put computing power in the hands of people who cant blow 1000$ every 2 years to get the latest greatest pc. I wont even go into the ridiculous amounts of cash micro$oft charges for new versions of the bug ridden code they pass off as a finished product, then release 4 service packs to band-aid it together.
thanks linus, you should get a nobel peace prize or some sh1t...
bhang
bhang said:
Nah, its my experience that ALL windows OSs are resource hoggging pigs and linux isn't and it makes much better use of system resource than winblows
take a web server running apache under winnt, replace the os with a flavor of linux and the same machine running apache has more throughput than before.
and there are distros that run very well on just about any machine, put xp on a 200mhz pentium mmx and see if you have a useable machine, that same puter with linux will work great for the average joe blow who just, web browses, emails, does word processing/ doc. creation.
linux will put computing power in the hands of people who cant blow 1000$ every 2 years to get the latest greatest pc. I wont even go into the ridiculous amounts of cash micro$oft charges for new versions of the bug ridden code they pass off as a finished product, then release 4 service packs to band-aid it together.
thanks linus, you should get a nobel peace prize or some sh1t...
bhang
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Here's a good example of some everyday anti-Microsoft rhetoric.
Linux on a slow computer won't make it do anything more than it could do running a Microsoft product. Sure, a finely customized (read: limited) Linux system might use a little less memory, but a slow computer is a slow computer.
Back on topic, I'd look more towards the already-existing Linux projects for the Wizard being useful before any Ubuntu branded distributions would be available. The BlueAngel Linux project from a couple of years ago got pretty far, I wonder if the Wizard is really all that much tougher to get working.
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Here's a good example of some everyday anti-Microsoft rhetoric.
Linux on a slow computer won't make it do anything more than it could do running a Microsoft product. Sure, a finely customized (read: limited) Linux system might use a little less memory, but a slow computer is a slow computer.
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Yours will be a good example of a .. anti-old PC rhetoric?
I beg to differ. A PC's speed heavily depends on how many instructions it is running. The number of instructions run per second for any PCs is fixed, but having less unnecessary instructions to runs, yields a faster PC. Try running Vista with all fancy eye-candy enabled and browse the internet. Do the same with Windows 95. A slow PC is slow when you run something heavy on it, hence 'a slow computer is a slow computer' isn't true.
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Yours will be a good example of a .. anti-old PC rhetoric?
I beg to differ. A PC's speed heavily depends on how many instructions it is running. The number of instructions run per second for any PCs is fixed, but having less unnecessary instructions to runs, yields a faster PC. Try running Vista with all fancy eye-candy enabled and browse the internet. Do the same with Windows 95. A slow PC is slow when you run something heavy on it, hence 'a slow computer is a slow computer' isn't true.
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When Ubuntu for Mobile phones is in 20 years of development, then I will consider it, however for my everyday needs, WM6 has me covered. Thanks, but no thanks. This is just the beginning for Linux on a phone, it has a LONG way to go to keep up.
Not only that, you have to find someone WILLING to create the software for FREE and well, you get what you paid for.
If you are a C++ programmer, Linux on a Mobile Phone will be a welcome challenge, but there is no market for Linux on a phone YET. Only reason anyone one the market will choose to switch is due to a CHANGE from what's already out there. I do not feel it compares at all to WM6 yet.
Sure, you can run faster, once you remove all of the graphics, background processes, etc, but you can do that with WM6 too. That's what people are creating their own roms for.
Water down any OS and you will find that it runs really fast and really well.
I wonder if there will be Blackberry support? It might be interesting to toy with.
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When Ubuntu for Mobile phones is in 20 years of development, then I will consider it, however for my everyday needs, WM6 has me covered. Thanks, but no thanks. This is just the beginning for Linux on a phone, it has a LONG way to go to keep up.
Not only that, you have to find someone WILLING to create the software for FREE and well, you get what you paid for.
If you are a C++ programmer, Linux on a Mobile Phone will be a welcome challenge, but there is no market for Linux on a phone YET. Only reason anyone one the market will choose to switch is due to a CHANGE from what's already out there. I do not feel it compares at all to WM6 yet.
Sure, you can run faster, once you remove all of the graphics, background processes, etc, but you can do that with WM6 too. That's what people are creating their own roms for.
Water down any OS and you will find that it runs really fast and really well.
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So that's why Motorola already have, and Palm are developing linux mobile phones?
Linux on a mobile device is going to be here on mainstream handsets very soon, within the next 12 months guaranteed.
The reason?
Licensing costs.
If you develop an open source OS, and set of codecs to handle media, you don't have to pay so much to all the companies you traditionally hand money over to when you sell a phone.
People who buy a mobile phone rarely care if it can run Microsoft's pocket office apps, or RIM's office apps, or anyone elses, just as long as they can write that document, or email, and easily send it, or get it onto their PC.
People also don't care if it runs WM6, Symbian UIQ, S60, Linux, Palm, or Blackberry, they just care if it can do xyz functions, looks nice, and they can afford it.
We care, but we are not the majority of the market.
And lets be honest, out of all the mobile OS' out there, which is going to be the most hackable?
Linux on our HTC devices is always going to be a hobby more than a real alternative OS, since it's based on who wants what, and has the time to develop it. But on a commercially available device sold with it, it's already here, and more are on the way!
Linux is faster - especially non GNOME distros.
There is also Ubuntu light on the horizon.
I read this article which to me is a good summary...
http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=40532
...and to reiterate my aforementioned point in addition to the seeking of fees - who requested the removal of the rom library here? So greater control with open source to the savvy end user.
Additionally - many of us are running linux without even realising - as its often the OS running in your routers/wireless modems.
Finally - if Windows kit for PDAs/smart phones was any good - would there be a reason for a forum like this to improve upon it, or are we all just really pernickety people?
Ubuntu is a really amazing OS.
I have been running it for a while already, and I love it (except sometimes I screwed up, need to resetup).
U should all try it
Straight from the disk it saw and set up everything - including setting the two hyperthreading processors as 4 processors (I have the non server disk version too).
Only problem so far is its not happy with my Sandisk U3 Titanium.
Another point worth mentioning is the lightest/fastest/most secure browser is purportedly 'Dilo' which is written for Linux - but I have not tried it yet. (Although the security is based on the 'you cannot hijack it - if we dont support it' school of thought.)
Linux rocks, I have ubuntu running on one of my desktops and am seriously considering dual booting my other with Fedora KDE. It really did a lot to speed up my old compaq, and i am not running a "watered down" version, I have more aps and programs on this than i did on xp, and it still boots faster and i have yet to have a weekly crash like i did with xp. I really would like it on my wizard, but in the meantime i'm going to watch palm's develpment and look in that direction.
Linwizard
If you want to play a bit this works on my wizard. Still a long way to go but I can say I have linux on my wizard. And I don't have to change anything or lose my current setup. Just extract the folder to your SD and run the app. I haven't figured out how to exit the program with out a soft reset, but big deal. Also there is no touch screen support or shifted or symbol support for the keyboard.
http://sourceforge.net/projects/linwizard/
Cheers...
Hey guys, first off Happy New Year.
Out of curiosity, I want to try Linux for myself and see what the hype is all about.
On http://www.linux.com/download_linux there are tons of different versions. I'm not a developer, just a Linux-newbie looking to explore around to see what's up. I don't plan on replacing my current OS with it, just run it at the same time and play around with it.
So, which Linux distribution would be best for me? And can I use something like Vmware Player to boot it?
edit: Forgot to mention
Using a Dell Inspiron E1505 running Windows Vista Home Premium.
Anything else you need to know? Ask.
Ubuntu
good place to start IMO
good luck and have fun
and a happy new year to you in la la land
p.s...always use a live cd...this way your see if it works ok with your dell before installing
Ubuntu lets you install inside windows....and its so easy...my mom could install it
so you keep vista and have Ubuntu....then just choose which one you want to use on boot up
I used this site : http://www.zegeniestudios.net/ldc/
I need openSUSE 11.1, apparantly.
Ta
Dave
thanks for that dave
never seen that before
its told me
Fedora, Mandriva, OpenSuSE or Ubuntu....so i was right...well for me any how
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never seen that before
its told me
Fedora, Mandriva, OpenSuSE or Ubuntu....so i was right...well for me any how
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I wanted a new linux distro to throw on my old machine instead of smoothwall, so I just google "linux distro chooser" or something similar and found it
I've downloaded and burnt it to DVD, I just need time to set it up
Dave
vicjan88 said:
Hey guys, first off Happy New Year.
Out of curiosity, I want to try Linux for myself and see what the hype is all about.
On http://www.linux.com/download_linux there are tons of different versions. I'm not a developer, just a Linux-newbie looking to explore around to see what's up. I don't plan on replacing my current OS with it, just run it at the same time and play around with it.
So, which Linux distribution would be best for me? And can I use something like Vmware Player to boot it?
edit: Forgot to mention
Using a Dell Inspiron E1505 running Windows Vista Home Premium.
Anything else you need to know? Ask.
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UBUNTU is very popular an the community provides great support. Personally, I really like a distro that is a fork off of the UBUNTU distro called LINUX MINT. MINT is setup where many of the multimedia formats that don't work in UBUNTU by default because of licensing issues will work anyway. Decreases startup time.
Hello, vicjan88
Well, Ubuntu is nice, but actually teaches you to do things the windows-way. Yeah, it's so. It's a sort of a good place to start, but then you should move on to something more serious and.. less buggy. If you are just a small bit aware of what MBR is and have an idea of how to better partition your drives - i advise you to chose either fedora core or mandriva. They are a good place to start (my first distro was some old red hat,and it was nice). The thing about a distro for a beginner is that it should have good graphical or pseudo-graphical interface to configure everything - so that one can at least make his linux box feel working as good as windows. Experience comes from practice, so when you become quite familiar with your first distro, the rest will go just fine. Actually it is a good idea to start with Debian. But choose the testing version. Neither unstable, nor stable - they have certain problems. Or, ArchLinux. It is a nice distro, but the problem is that there is few software compiled for it, but the wiki and forums are just perfect. Anyhow, write back when you install some distro. Have fun!
coose Ubuntu, the newer editions lets you install "inside windows" its a feature called wubi
so you dont need any knowledge on partitioning or anything else
I think the best thing about linux is, it's not windows, it's different and, to a M$ fanboy like me, it's something new to learn. No point using Linux, if you're going to use it like Windows
@Ather, I've de-creased your post count.
Ta
Dave
Ubuntu is very similar to XP in many ways and is a nice, intuitive way into Linux.
Kubuntu if you want it to look more like win.
NUU! Go with
openSUSE or Ubuntu Ultimate. I personally have the following OS's on my pc;
openSUSE
Ubuntu Ultimate
BackTrack
Win XP
Ubuntu is nice if you are starting out with Linux. You might even find another distro which you like more. I use Ubuntu as a virtual machine if I need it, and standalone on my older machine. I also like having BackTrack 3 on my USB flash drive if I need it.
Dave
ubuntu is great,. i have ever used it once,.
I've always been partial to openSUSE, but the recent release of 11 was somewhat dissapointing for me (perticularly with KDE4) as it seemed a bit half hearted. Ubuntu isn't bad and is certainatly popular and Kubuntu is good if you prefer KDE to GNOME (which I personally do)
I prefer KDE, thats's why I've decided to use openSUSE more.
I just installed new OS's yesterday
newest openSUSE
Ubuntu Ultimate Gamers Edition v2.0
Windows 7 Ultimate
Windows XP SP3
Pick Ubuntu. It's the most user-friendly version out there and that's the one I've always used. It works on all my computers from the old 300mhz P3 to the 1.6ghz dual-core laptop. There are also different versions of Ubuntu with different desktop environnements. Consider Kubuntu (KDE), Xubuntu (XFCE) and the rest.
If you want to put it on a laptop, be ready for a challenge. While everything will work out of the box for desktops, Wi-Fi hardware is a pain in the butt to set up. Once you're done with that, however, there's no going back, Linux is awesome!
I've been hunting around for any development progress for the K900 when I stumbled across this (Along with rumors of Wine for android x86 )
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0GT9lZDplJ8
The title translates to " Launching Ubuntu x86 + Wine under Android x86"
I know amost nothing about VNC but I'm guessing he did something similar to this but perhaps using ubuntu touch?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1966984
I'm trying to figure out if this is a worthwile way to run old windows games on a phone, rather than using QEMU on my Note 2. Are there any advantages to this? Or should I stick with QEMU until the next generation of intel phones are out?
My experience with Wine has been very positive, generally being more stable than running the games in Windows had ever been. I'd imagine that keeping everything x86 the whole way is probably good. QEMU has been slow enough and the reliability has been spotty enough to the point where I generally dont bother anymore. =(
Thank you for sharing this! i really, really hope they will continue developing this for our razr i!!
I've managed to do the same on my Orange San Diego.
If I remember correctly, I just followed the tutorials for installing ubuntu in chroot on android, but I used a x86 image instead of an arm image. Can't remember if I had to do custom stuff.
Then it was basically installing wine, like you'd do on an Ubuntu pc.
Wine worked, but Vmware/virtualbox didn't (I guess it's because ubuntu ran in chroot). I was/am hoping to run a full windows on a phone, but no-one seems to be interested in it, and I don't have the skills/knowledge to do it
Since this phone has an unlocked bootloader, you'll probably be able to install ubuntu directly (without chroot) (good chance you'll find a step by step guide for this phone), so maybe you could run vmware/vbox too. Can't try that on my orange, since it has a locked bootloader, and it doesn't look like it's getting unlocked any time soon.
If any developer would be able to have a look at this...? I'd change phones if someone managed to get it up and running, I'd guess
Terror Factor, How are speed and stability when running Ubuntu/wine through chroot?
I think there were some people trying to dual boot. I think there are probably some serious obstacles though. I belive this particular chipset has a proprietary driver which could make it difficult to use. The next generation of phones will use what is basically intels integrated grapics on a soc. Those might be the first to be able to dual boot a full desktop os. There is a phone out now in China, the K900 that uses the updated clovertrail plus chip that is supposed to be linux compatible. But it still seems to have a Power VR chip for grapics =(
Other than that. I could see there being issues with perhaps drive partitioning and installing the boot loader (grub, etc). I suppose it also depends how the boot sytem works. I don't belive phones use any type of BIOS. I dunno.
Fujistsu makes a phone/computer (loox f-07c) that runs full windows. It's kind of a bulky and inelegant solution though.
I can't remember any stability issues, but it's been a few months and I only messed around with it for maybe half an hour after it was installed (noticed I couldn't run virtualbox/vmware, so I was a whole lot less interested). The stock apps that came with wine worked fine (notepad for example). I can't remember if I installed anything else in wine though.
That Fujitsu is pretty big, and quite outdated hardware wise. Might be worth buying if I could find a cheap one on ebay, but battery life will probably suck and I am guessing it'll be way to expensive for what it is.
Once the intel cpu's are getting more popular for smartphones, I am guessing we'll eventually see a full desktop OS on one of them. That might be a year or two though, I'm afraid
I would like to see Ubuntu running native on OUYA but my knowledge about porting Linux of any kind to other devices is simply not existant.
Is there anyone able and willing to do it? I think it should be relatively easy to do if you use ubuntu touch for asus transformer infinity (tf700t) to start because it also uses tegra 3 t33 as SoC. The touch enviroment obviously doesn't have to work so if you got time left you could do a preinstalled with KDE for good performance experience.
If tools like CWM or a cyanogenmod are helpfull you should go to the OUYA section of this wonderfull forum, they are avaliable right now.
Thanks for reading. Klindworth
Klindworth said:
I would like to see Ubuntu running native on OUYA but my knowledge about porting Linux of any kind to other devices is simply not existant.
Is there anyone able and willing to do it? I think it should be relatively easy to do if you use ubuntu touch for asus transformer infinity (tf700t) to start because it also uses tegra 3 t33 as SoC. The touch enviroment obviously doesn't have to work so if you got time left you could do a preinstalled with KDE for good performance experience.
If tools like CWM or a cyanogenmod are helpfull you should go to the OUYA section of this wonderfull forum, they are avaliable right now.
Thanks for reading. Klindworth
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Ubuntu touch was designed for Mobile devices.. OUYA requires you to have a display like a TV or a monitor, if you know where I'm going with this then what you're asking to be done is the same as running Android on a desktop. Just get the normal Ubuntu that's designed for desktops and laptops. Ubuntu touch is only for small devices.
There is no "normal" preinstalled Desktop version of ubuntu with bootloader out there for the OUYA.
Ubuntu touch is still a real linux just with a different kernel like the ARM server editions and another GUI optimized for touch
or am i mistaken?
The benefit of ubuntu touch is the optimized kernel for ARM SOCs like Tegra3 not OMAP 3 or OMAP 4 or the TI ARM structures. With a lot of time and reading and searching i think i should be able to compile one or i could use the kernels already made by canicoal.
Uninstall the touch stuff an installing an alternative GUI and so on shouldn't be the problem.
My biggest Problem is to get it running without an proper boot.img.
Ouya has, like other Android devices, no real bios or efi and the only way i know to change the OS is via ADB in combination with CWM an fastboot to change the system data and the boot.img.
So if anyone knows how to port it i (and many other ouya owners) would be really greatfull if someone would take the time to port a version of ubuntu to the ouya and ubuntu touch seems to be the easiest option.
A tutorial to boot any linux natively on ouya(not chroot or something like that) and change the bootloader would also do it but it would be a lot of work to write one for retards like me
Klindworth said:
There is no "normal" preinstalled Desktop version of ubuntu with bootloader out there for the OUYA.
Ubuntu touch is still a real linux just with a different kernel like the ARM server editions and another GUI optimized for touch
or am i mistaken?
The benefit of ubuntu touch is the optimized kernel for ARM SOCs like Tegra3 not OMAP 3 or OMAP 4 or the TI ARM structures. With a lot of time and reading and searching i think i should be able to compile one or i could use the kernels already made by canicoal.
Uninstall the touch stuff an installing an alternative GUI and so on shouldn't be the problem.
My biggest Problem is to get it running without an proper boot.img.
Ouya has, like other Android devices, no real bios or efi and the only way i know to change the OS is via ADB in combination with CWM an fastboot to change the system data and the boot.img.
So if anyone knows how to port it i (and many other ouya owners) would be really greatfull if someone would take the time to port a version of ubuntu to the ouya and ubuntu touch seems to be the easiest option.
A tutorial to boot any linux natively on ouya(not chroot or something like that) and change the bootloader would also do it but it would be a lot of work to write one for retards like me
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Why would anyone want a mobile operating system on a device like that... Yes, Ubuntu Touch is still real Linux but if you wanna get an OS on OUYA that was designed for small screens and touch then be my guest.. And there already is Ubuntu desktop versions for ARM. You're better off getting the ARM version, stripping it down and putting a simple GUI.
Didn't find a Tegra3 optimized arm version yet and don't know which arm kernel version would be completely compatible. is a kernel optimized for cortex A9 enough? Link??
also the problem of no working bootloader still isn't solved.
would be fine with me if someone would port that. all i want is a working linux port for ouya
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Why would anyone want a mobile operating system on a device like that... Yes, Ubuntu Touch is still real Linux but if you wanna get an OS on OUYA that was designed for small screens and touch then be my guest.. And there already is Ubuntu desktop versions for ARM. You're better off getting the ARM version, stripping it down and putting a simple GUI.
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I would like to point out he is saying to change the desktop environment to run something more desktop friendly
Although the only environment I know of is a buggy version of unity from the Ubuntu ARM days...there might be gnome as well, if you look through the Backtrack and Kali sources
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Didn't find a Tegra3 optimized arm version yet and don't know which arm kernel version would be completely compatible. is a kernel optimized for cortex A9 enough? Link??
also the problem of no working bootloader still isn't solved.
would be fine with me if someone would port that. all i want is a working linux port for ouya
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You're not going to find a version optimized for Tegra 3 on their site because Ubuntu already recognizes the chip..
I don't wanna sound like an a-hole but the idea is a bit far fetched.. the OS isn't even 100% stable, most core functions are working such as calling, wifi and other stuff.. but okay you get it to work right?, then what?, even if you use a GUI like GNOME which I doubt anybody is gonna want to port (since GNOME is made for desktops and laptops) you're still gonna be very limited. Plus does Ubuntu touch even support HDMI output yet?. There's just too much work for this..
You're not going to find a version optimized for Tegra 3 on their site because Ubuntu already recognizes the chip..
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maybe im dumb but i only find preinstalled ARM edition for servers with omap 3&4 architecture. would you please link the version you think is running? and do i need a boot.img modified for the ouya? if i need one, can you provide one or know somebody who can do it?
Someone is getting close to bring fully functional native Debian to the OUYA. Can't wait until all mayor issues are fixed :victory:
http://tuomas.kulve.fi/blog/2013/08/11/debian-on-ouya/
Isn't it as easy as taking an iso and turning it into a cwm bootanle zop and adding controller support?
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If you know how to do it try it and post the results. I think there should be some issues otherwise Linux distros for OUYA would be accessable and widely spread.
But knowing the issues could help someone else to figure out how to do it right. So, as I said, please try and post the results.
Hello and welcome to the world of Linux.
are you new to Linux?
confused what to do?
just want a distro that just works?
what is desktop environment and what is effect of it on performance?
well no more,
You will get answer to most Linux questions in your mind
But first why i hate windows The things which sucks about the windows (most) :-
it is a big fatty collection of useless things (for developers)
it has many process running in background and cause whole system to slow down ( average ram consumption about 2gb at boot )
VIRUS of course, windows is popular so is the main target for hackers.
slow installation of apps compared to Linux. like you have to find official website download .exe, run it, setup and plugins download
also those reboots after installing like a mouse driver.
also those annoying updates often filled with new errors, driver failure and system glitches (bugs)
and don't forget spending whole day just to fix some creepy system update failure.
and windows spying on every key you type (nightmare for me)
what Linux has for developers:-
Light weight with useful stuff on board.
best on system resource ( avg. 512mb on boot )
no need for reboot (in most case). one of the reason Linux is used in servers is because it don't needs reboot like for many years.
transparent and easy installation of apps ( just by typing pamac install ......) (that to official build from secure source)
years ahead in advancement from windows
has kernel boost for faster development like literally 3 times faster
with safe habits no need to worry about viruses and hackers literally 10 times more secure than windows (that to without a single antivirus software installed)
saves a looooo.......tttt of time.
made by a passionate developer for developers ( even kids can use it ).
which distribution to pick:-
there are 1000+ distros to pick from each with it's own features and customization.
some popular ones which you may know are, ubuntu, Linux Mint, pop os (debian based)
don't think too much just try any one i know after some time you will find distro you need
i also switch between many disrtro but hey it's the beauty of Linux.
desktop environment ? what is it ?
well, it is the desktop with which you interact
Every desktop has it's own set of apps and gestures to interact with it.
like,
1) GNOME (ubuntu default ) is a modern desktop with animations and beautiful GUI (you will love it) but is resource intensive. (around 1.5gb ram on boot)
1.1) cosmic (pop os) beautiful pure GNOME based desktop with tweaks from system76. best if you are suffering from performance in ubuntu use pop os (cosmic)
2) Plasma KDE is the most (as far as i know) customizable desktop with the performance unmatched by any other desktop. XFCE used to be top performance oriented desktop but it's kinda defeated by Plasma KDE.
3) XFCE well simple stability oriented desktop. performance is also good but has little customization and is for people who want stability and performance with little customization.
4)..........there are many good ones but these three are like famous (linked with famous destros like ubuntu, manjaro, etc)
i will update as i experience more environments.
what to do if i am new in the world of Linux?
Live boot into Linux check if WiFi, Bluetooth and other drivers important to you are working and
welcome to a brand new experience full of learning and improving.
a little side note though:- ms office as an app in not available in Linux ( use open source libre office or web based ms office )
and if you are content creator, some adobe apps for now not available in Linux. also check if apps important for your work is available on Linux.
apart from some drivers and apps not available in Linux.it has all built-in.
Linux has best performance, customization, and privacy which every Human on earth deserves.
To-The-Point :-
which??????----------> distribution to pick?
1) Ubuntu (DEBIAN Based):- simple on the go distro with a huge community and supports most of the hardware. performance is good but if you are looking for gaming choose PoP Os. (or Manjaro)
2) PoP Os (Ubuntu Based):- based on ubuntu LTS, with pure GNOME desktop along with best looking icons and themes. believe me the guys behind it system76 have done a decent work. performance it top class and desktop experience is out of world awesome. ( just try it if you are beginner) and it comes with system-wide encryption.
3) Manjaro (arch-linux based):- supports 3 desktops out of the box ( XFCE, Plasma KDE, and GNOME) based on arch-linux. has a lots of app.
fast, powerful, simple and fully customizable. but some time some experience may require to fix bugs. but just give it a try you will love KDE version for sure.
4) Linux Mint, Fedora, and many more are available as user friendly.
I will update this tread for more.
tell me which distro you like and for which work.thanks for reading.
updated on 01-july-2021.
And those who prefer user friendliness and ease of use or those who are beginners, Linux Mint is one of the best options to go with. (This is my opinion, other distro users, please don't be offended)
SupremeKing5810 said:
And those who prefer user friendliness and ease of use or those who are beginners, Linux Mint is one of the best options to go with. (This is my opinion, other distro users, please don't be offended)
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thanks for reminding me i will add it in the thread.
SupremeKing5810 said:
And those who prefer user friendliness and ease of use or those who are beginners, Linux Mint is one of the best options to go with. (This is my opinion, other distro users, please don't be offended)
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Dont forget Zorin OS !
Zorin OS is one of the friendly Linux Distro, especially for The New Comer.
Tajil said:
Dont forget Zorin OS !
Zorin OS is one of the friendly Linux Distro, especially for The New Comer.
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yes, in terms of user friendliness but it lack hardware support (ubuntu has much greater support) which can be annoying especially for someone from windows or mac.
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yes, in terms of user friendliness but it lack hardware support (ubuntu has much greater support) which can be annoying especially for someone from windows or mac.
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How about UE (Ultimate Edition) distro ?
The bugs and de tar balls is what I remember the most...
Lol, I want plug and play
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desktop environment ? what is it ?
well, it is the desktop with which you interact
Every desktop has it's own set of apps and gestures to interact with it.
like,
1) Genome (ubuntu default ) is a modern desktop with animations and beautiful GUI (you will love it) but is resource intensive. (around 1.5gb ram on boot)
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It is GNOME, which stands for GNU Network Object Model Environment, not Genome. Also, you should've mentioned Window Managers and Base Distros, like Debian, Arch, Slackware, Gentoo, etc. Also a bit of history would've been good.
Otus9051 said:
It is GNOME, which stands for GNU Network Object Model Environment, not Genome. Also, you should've mentioned Window Managers and Base Distros, like Debian, Arch, Slackware, Gentoo, etc. Also a bit of history would've been good.
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Thanks for correction i will update the thread. and your suggestion to include a bit of history is also good.
Tajil said:
Dont forget Zorin OS !
Zorin OS is one of the friendly Linux Distro, especially for The New Comer.
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I don't like Zorin as a beginner distro too much because then the user won't learn anything new about linux (the UI is 80% like Windows if I'm not mistaken)
I started with Linux Mint as my first distro, and all I can say is it pushed me out of my comfort zone enough to Google and learn more new things, by not being too daunting {for example: arch/gentoo (I use arch btw)}
But of course, everyone has their own opinions. This is just my opinion
Also quick tidbit: NEVER start with Manjaro as your first distro (if you intend on starting with it)
Why? Because of its hyper unstable nature and you gotta fix some bugs by hand (which is not fun if you're a beginner)
[Fun fact: My manjaro install broke exactly 5 days after installation]
I'm running Ubuntu 21.04 on a desktop and I have a laptop that I dual boot Ubuntu 20.10 / Win10. I built the desktop in January year of the dumpster fire. The laptop is on its last legs and sometimes takes some tinkering to get to start. I ran Ubuntu Studio for a year or two. I only keep Win10 running for things that I'd rather not try using with Windows Is Not Emulated. If I ever make the switch to BitWig I might ditch Windows altogether. I liked Ubuntu Studio for what it offered but often felt it offered too much and quickly got complicated for a somewhat novice to intermediate user like myself. I always thought it was cool that Android uses a Linux kernel if I'm not mistaken.
NullCode said:
Also quick tidbit: NEVER start with Manjaro as your first distro (if you intend on starting with it)
Why? Because of its hyper unstable nature and you gotta fix some bugs by hand (which is not fun if you're a beginner)
[Fun fact: My manjaro install broke exactly 5 days after installation]
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Manjaro is probably the worst Arch Based Distro. If I needed Arch Based distro, I would go either ArchCraft or Garuda
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I don't like Zorin as a beginner distro too much because then the user won't learn anything new about linux (the UI is 80% like Windows if I'm not mistaken)
I started with Linux Mint as my first distro, and all I can say is it pushed me out of my comfort zone enough to Google and learn more new things, by not being too daunting {for example: arch/gentoo (I use arch btw)}
But of course, everyone has their own opinions. This is just my opinion
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Thats right bro, every human have their own opinions.
Linuxmint & Zorin OS famous for its interface similarity with Windows 7 & 10 like. In some cases, this is one of the Power "Selling" for these Distro.
In my own case here, I introduced the Zorin & Linuxmint, the result is Good. The interface (UI) has given a certain degree of impact for the new commer to try it eagerly. Till now, they still stick with Zorin and of course Win7 & 10.
I myself, is not a zorin or linuxmint user though.
NullCode said:
Also quick tidbit: NEVER start with Manjaro as your first distro (if you intend on starting with it)
Why? Because of its hyper unstable nature and you gotta fix some bugs by hand (which is not fun if you're a beginner)
[Fun fact: My manjaro install broke exactly 5 days after installation]
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My first install last year was fine, until I hadn't logged in for a few months and it wouldn't boot. I've had it reinstalled for about 6 months without issues on my Desktop and an old Mini Laptop
I am a Fedora Linux user more than 10 years.
I don't like gnome or kde, but I like LXDE.
My first Fedora was version 16 and today I am on Fedora version 34.
Fedora is a mix of stable with beta. Or just stable beta as some people say.
I am on Android for just only 8 years.
My first was Android 4.4.2, Android 5.1, Android 6.0, Android 8.1, Android 9.0, Android 10 and today I am on Android 11.
Linux is my life
NullCode said:
Also quick tidbit: NEVER start with Manjaro as your first distro (if you intend on starting with it)
Why? Because of its hyper unstable nature and you gotta fix some bugs by hand (which is not fun if you're a beginner)
[Fun fact: My manjaro install broke exactly 5 days after installation]
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yes, manjaro has some stability issue and random crashes but with manjaro KDE which i am using for about a month it's good
main reason for me to recommend Manjaro KDE to beginners is to give them a first hand experience of best Plasma KDE and believe me it's good and stable for general use.
but, anyway for laptop user's i would recommend pop os. it is such a beauty with power.
I started with Ubuntu, then moved to Linux Mint. I fell in love with the Cinnamon DE, I've been running Manjaro (Cinnamon Community Edition) the last couple years though, and I really like it. I haven't had any issues with it.
Another note, when it comes to ROM building, Arch provides the fastest build environment. Was like 30% faster in my box versus Linux Mint. I've never used Fedora or CentOS, but I've heard they are good too.
Tried Zorin for about 2 weeks, now I am on Linux Mint. I am amazed how user friendly it is and that I didn't have any bugs in almost 6 months. I also think I liked more the Windows 7 feel and simplicity and Mint seems to feel that way a bit. For a while, I will be staying in the Debian branch.
As to Ubuntu, it is a great distro, but I think it rather looks great on touch devices. As I was unable to install Ubuntu Touch on my tablet, I used a launcher in Android to recreate its look.
Oh, and with regards to why: out of curiosity and accidental circumstance.
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I am a Fedora Linux user more than 10 years.
I don't like gnome or kde, but I like LXDE.
My first Fedora was version 16 and today I am on Fedora version 34.
Fedora is a mix of stable with beta. Or just stable beta as some people say.
I am on Android for just only 8 years.
My first was Android 4.4.2, Android 5.1, Android 6.0, Android 8.1, Android 9.0, Android 10 and today I am on Android 11.
Linux is my life
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I have always gone with Debian based distros like Ubuntu. I always wanted to try Fedora and the RPM package manager. I installed it once. It seems like all the good government jobs use RedHat as there are certifications you can get (at least there were 5 years ago) that could land you a job. Also, Perl or Python, Vim or Emacs?