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Droid Bionic FREE w/ 2 year contract!!!

http://wireless.amazon.com/Motorola...nypincher&pf_rd_p=1323240242&pf_rd_s=center-1
Saw this deal and thought you might like to know.
Amazon has the Droid Bionic FREE w/ a 2 year contract for new customers (not upgrades)
Hope this helps someone

That sure is a great way to start with Verizon....

I just bought this phone for 179 last month from them as a new customer... Sigh. Atleast this will hopefully get some more ppl involved in developing for this phone

nedu09 said:
I just bought this phone for 179 last month from them as a new customer... Sigh. Atleast this will hopefully get some more ppl involved in developing for this phone
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Seriously... I bought TWO at $199 each. Sometimes, you can't win.

Crazy to me that no one jumped on this deal
3 replies for a free Droid Bionic?
I know most of the people here have the Bionic already but I would think a few new members would jump on this deal asap.

No, lol. No one wants a locked BL POS when the phones on the horizon are looking so much better. Tuesday 2 or 3 phones, both of which are going to be better than the Bionic will be announced.

One of which is a Samsung, and the other is called 'Rezound'. I'll take a pass.

hmm... i take it that deal's just if you're going through amazon. my thunderbolt is having issues(needs a new screen+digitizer) and i called verizon. they offered to mail me a new bionic for $300 & i can keep the thunderbolt to.

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One of which is a Samsung, and the other is called 'Rezound'. I'll take a pass.
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I completely agree. Samsung is a no go for me, Nexus or not. Samsungs way of fixing a problem with their phones is by announcing another one.
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voxigenboy said:
hmm... i take it that deal's just if you're going through amazon. my thunderbolt is having issues(needs a new screen+digitizer) and i called verizon. they offered to mail me a new bionic for $300 & i can keep the thunderbolt to.
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You can sell your thunderbolt back to them for approx. $140.00 as well.
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lrs421 said:
You can sell your thunderbolt back to them for approx. $140.00 as well.
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I did the early upgrade with the Charge, and had it sold on Craigslist for $350 within 6 hours of recieving the Bionic. The Charge, in turn, was a free replacement for my Fascinate (thus the No Samsungs policy...) I make it a habit to never lose money on anything

lrs421 said:
You can sell your thunderbolt back to them for approx. $140.00 as well.
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i can sell back my TB to them even though it needs to be fixed and is rooted?

voxigenboy said:
i can sell back my TB to them even though it needs to be fixed and is rooted?
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Uhhhh. Maybe not, LOL.
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MillionManMosh said:
I did the early upgrade with the Charge, and had it sold on Craigslist for $350 within 6 hours of recieving the Bionic. The Charge, in turn, was a free replacement for my Fascinate (thus the No Samsungs policy...) I make it a habit to never lose money on anything
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As a former captivate owner I feel your pain. It's not just their phones either. I had terrible experiences with their bluray players as well.
The Amazon deal for the Bionic is a steal.
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I had a DLP TV of theirs a few years back. One of the first 1080P projection models, back when LCDs of that size were prohibitively expensive. Gorgeous screen, but the speakers went out within 6 months of use, the tuner flaked out... "Pretty to look at, but useless" summarizes my experience with Samsung in general.

Generally speaking, I've actually heard really great things about samsung TV's and monitors and I've had pretty good experiences. My family has 4 samsung TV's and 2 monitors and none of them have had problems. They're all currently in the 2-4 year age range. I also know a couple of friends that have had TV's for a couple years with good results thus far. It's not hard to find bad apples for any company.
The upcoming samsung device is supposed to be a google experience device, isn't it? I kind of separate google experience devices from normal devices of any one company. I wouldn't say they're miraculous devices or anything like that, but they definitely seem to be of higher quality, in general.

CC Lemon said:
Generally speaking, I've actually heard really great things about samsung TV's and monitors and I've had pretty good experiences. My family has 4 samsung TV's and 2 monitors and none of them have had problems. They're all currently in the 2-4 year age range. I also know a couple of friends that have had TV's for a couple years with good results thus far. It's not hard to find bad apples for any company.
The upcoming samsung device is supposed to be a google experience device, isn't it? I kind of separate google experience devices from normal devices of any one company. I wouldn't say they're miraculous devices or anything like that, but they definitely seem to be of higher quality, in general.
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Hardware wise they're pretty ordinary- or at least share components with other phones (HTC Incredible/N1 and Galaxy S/N-S). It's the leaner software that makes them unique. But you're right, it only takes a few bad experiences to sour my opinion of a company in general. And I would say I've been saddled with an inordinate number of lemons.
What really tempers my opinion is that all of my Galaxy S phones (Captivate, Fascinate and finally Charge) had more or less the same issues. The Cappy was the only one that shut itself down from idle (thankfully), but the other two had the same problems with not getting calls or texts, terrible GPS, inconsistent data connection, heat management, etc. It seems to me that Samsung just can't get their software QA right. I would certainly hope a true Nexus phone would be different... and I didn't hear any bad reports about the Nexus S, so one Samsung warranty exchange fewer and I might have given it a try. As is, I'm giving Moto their fair shot.

CC Lemon said:
Generally speaking, I've actually heard really great things about samsung TV's and monitors and I've had pretty good experiences. My family has 4 samsung TV's and 2 monitors and none of them have had problems. They're all currently in the 2-4 year age range. I also know a couple of friends that have had TV's for a couple years with good results thus far. It's not hard to find bad apples for any company.
The upcoming samsung device is supposed to be a google experience device, isn't it? I kind of separate google experience devices from normal devices of any one company. I wouldn't say they're miraculous devices or anything like that, but they definitely seem to be of higher quality, in general.
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Google experience is software, the hardware is Samsung. I'm happy you had great luck with Samsung. Many others cant say the same.
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MillionManMosh said:
I did the early upgrade with the Charge, and had it sold on Craigslist for $350 within 6 hours of recieving the Bionic. The Charge, in turn, was a free replacement for my Fascinate (thus the No Samsungs policy...) I make it a habit to never lose money on anything
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Crap..you did a lot better than me. My Charge was as mint as mint gets with an Otterbox Commuter case - started at $350 and after 3 weeks on Craigslist I finally let it go for $200. When it got to $250 I decided to swipe the 32gb MicroSD though, f$$k it.

LG hampering Nexus 4 production

There's a rumor on french websites about LG not very happy about the success of the N4, for various reasons:
- Not enough profit per phone and market breaker, LG set a new price standard which every high end phones can't compete, including LG Optimus G, and not so enjoyable hypothesis for future smartphones sales and profits.
- Hence its limitation for very few countries when it can easily be sold in every national Play Store with scheduled launches and good will.
It's a flagship not destined to be massively sold, just a flag.
- Carriers/Hardware suppliers/Competition (legal threats) pressure?
What do you think ?

Wooven said:
There's a rumor on french websites about LG not very happy about the success of the N4, for various reasons:
- Not enough profit per phone and market breaker, LG set a new price standard which every high end phones can't compete, including LG Optimus G, and not so enjoyable hypothesis for future smartphones sales and profits.
- Hence its limitation for very few countries when it can easily be sold in every national Play Store with scheduled launches and good will.
It's a flagship not destined to be massively sold, just a flag.
- Carriers/Hardware suppliers/Competition (legal threats) pressure?
What do you think ?
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I think im hungry and need to eat lunch.

N4 is a chance for LG to show they can do high end and quality. How they were convinced to have this selling beside the optimus g but at half the price I doubt we'll ever know.
Besides that, obviously nobody but those looking to get one are happy about it. Given that this is only a win for consumers, wouldn't surprise me to see LG give poor stock, although it may not be up to them and already be in a big contract.
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It doesn't matter whether LG is happy or not; this is the course that the Illuminati mapped out for mankind after world leaders made contact with extraterrestrial intelligences shortly after WWII. Through the United Nations, which is really a puppet regime of the Illuminati designed to prepare us for contact with advanced alien lifeforms and technology, they ensure that this kind of high-end tech will slowly but steadily become cheaper so that we all become so used to having it be an integral part of our lives until we accept the idea of it being integrated biologically and the aliens can use it to turn us into mindless, cybernetic slaves.
Now that is a conspiracy theory, my friend.

I LOLd.
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MaxCarnage said:
It doesn't matter whether LG is happy or not; this is the course that the Illuminati mapped out for mankind after world leaders made contact with extraterrestrial intelligences shortly after WWII. Through the United Nations, which is really a puppet regime of the Illuminati designed to prepare us for contact with advanced alien lifeforms and technology, they ensure that this kind of high-end tech will slowly but steadily become cheaper so that we all become so used to having it be an integral part of our lives until we accept the idea of it being integrated biologically and the aliens can use it to turn us into mindless, cybernetic slaves.
Now that is a conspiracy theory, my friend.
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What?

I would have never considered a LG phone if it wasn't for this Nexus.
They are proving that they can build decent phones(hopefully). This will open them up to a lot of people like me who never took them seriously.

jmejiaa said:
I would have never considered a LG phone if it wasn't for this Nexus.
They are proving that they can build decent phones(hopefully). This will open them up to a lot of people like me who never took them seriously.
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The Nexus 4 only came to be because Google guided/forced them to make it how THEY wanted it done.
If you want to see LG's industrial design/interface go look at the Optimus G and the gazillion other LG phones which didn't sell well (In the U.S. at least).
The only thing the Nexus 4 proves is that Google can turn a phone all about the specs into something that actually looks good and has decent specs.

jmejiaa said:
I would have never considered a LG phone if it wasn't for this Nexus.
They are proving that they can build decent phones(hopefully). This will open them up to a lot of people like me who never took them seriously.
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This is what it really boils down to, I think. LG is a substantially smaller player in the smartphone game (at least in the States), and designing the flagship Android phone for Google will only help them to establish a better name for themselves in the U.S. market. Whatever loss or minimal profit there is to be had with the Nexus 4, the key is that people who might never have even considered an LG phone before are now clamoring for one. Who knows? If it's a great phone, I might become an LG fan.

Is it time for a mandatory IQ test before posting?
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enviii said:
The Nexus 4 only came to be because Google guided/forced them to make it how THEY wanted it done.
If you want to see LG's industrial design/interface go look at the Optimus G and the gazillion other LG phones which didn't sell well (In the U.S. at least).
The only thing the Nexus 4 proves is that Google can turn a phone all about the specs into something that actually looks good and has decent specs.
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Not really, the optimus G has been getting great reviews as well, but I would have never considered it.
Most likely the Nexus came to be because they came at google with the best bid and Google took them up on the bid. If samsung would have given them a better offer I'm sure they would have taken it.

jmejiaa said:
Most likely the Nexus came to be because they came at google with the best bid and Google took them up on the bid. If samsung would have given them a better offer I'm sure they would have taken it.
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Yes that is exactly how the nexus phone happened
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Wooven said:
There's a rumor on french websites about LG not very happy about the success of the N4, for various reasons:
- Not enough profit per phone and market breaker, LG set a new price standard which every high end phones can't compete, including LG Optimus G, and not so enjoyable hypothesis for future smartphones sales and profits.
- Hence its limitation for very few countries when it can easily be sold in every national Play Store with scheduled launches and good will.
It's a flagship not destined to be massively sold, just a flag.
- Carriers/Hardware suppliers/Competition (legal threats) pressure?
What do you think ?
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I think you need something better than Babelfish.
I am not sure what you are saying.

MaxCarnage said:
...they ensure that this kind of high-end tech will slowly but steadily become cheaper...
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Krugman refers to this as the Tchotchke Economy. It's been forced upon us by the elite, the so called "anointed ones".. it goes deep, too: prime ministers, Hollywood, the heads of academia, bankers. Only a select few. Could it be when you have all the power and all the money and all the lands and all the art, you have to do something new, you have to provide cheap cellphones to geeks just to spite LG?

crachel said:
Krugman refers to this as the Tchotchke Economy. It's been forced upon us by the elite, the so called "anointed ones".. it goes deep, too: prime ministers, Hollywood, the heads of academia, bankers. Only a select few. Could it be when you have all the power and all the money and all the lands and all the art, you have to do something new, you have to provide cheap cellphones to geeks just to spite LG?
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It was Krugman too who insisted that an alien invasion would be the best thing to happen to the global economy:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/06/19/paul-krugman-alien-invasion_n_1609805.html
I think that we've made the final connection; the aliens are amongst us and the war of the worlds is about to begin. The catalyst: Nexus 4.

Just hypothetical questions....
If you are Samsung, how would you compete versus N4 given the very low price?
Don't you think the Android market is now less attractive for you?
Suddenly, you are now forced to come low price products...
Suddenly, you now cannot have more profits...
What's your take on this?
If N4 is being sold in the street store, with this quality and the same low price as Play Store... Who would buy SGS3? Who would buy LG OG?...
Suddenly, all other high end Android becoming unattractive... Don't you think?
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gogol said:
Just hypothetical questions....
If you are Samsung, how would you compete versus N4 given the very low price?
Don't you think the Android market is now less attractive for you?
Suddenly, you are now forced to come low price products...
Suddenly, you now cannot have more profits...
What's your take on this?
If N4 is being sold in the street store, with this quality and the same low price as Play Store... Who would buy SGS3? Who would buy LG OG?...
Suddenly, all other high end Android becoming unattractive... Don't you think?
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I think Samsung has built a fan base, similar to Apple. I can't stand whenever people talk about Android, it's all Samsung.
So I'm not worried about them not able to compete.

I also have a conspiracy that my neighbors upstairs and downstairs have sex at the same time just to annoy me.
Very relevant.

richteralan said:
I think Samsung has built a fan base, similar to Apple. I can't stand whenever people talk about Android, it's all Samsung.
So I'm not worried about them not able to compete.
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They are (1) not nearly as cultish and (2) despite what you may think, they're probably more devoted to software than the hardware. I think the immense demand for the N4 speaks volumes. Price matters, and there is no other phone that comes even remotely close at this price.

enviii said:
What?
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Seriously? If you didn't know about all of this you're blind
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The Future of Nexus Smartphones

As most(if not all) of us watch google i/o, google released the galaxy s4 with stock android, as well as "prompt" future updates. What do you guys think this means for the future of nexus do you think companies will continue to build phones for google when they can just appeal to everyone and relase a version of their flagship with stock android?

I guess I never really thought about it yet. That's a good point though. I just got into the Nexus family around a month and a half ago and I already feel at home. If there is not a future for Nexus devices, I will be extremely sad. Yeah, you still get pure Android, plus an unlocked bootloader, but there's just something about having a Nexus. I guess I just feel unique having it, you know? I'm not just another guy with a Galaxy S phone. Plus, having a Nexus phone kind of shows that you're a power user/developer. I dunno...I just really love my Nexus 4 and want to be able to buy the next one when I'm ready.
That all said, it makes perfect sense. I'm pretty sure Google sells the Nexus at a loss. And if that's not enough, you see threads on here all the time with people finding the smallest reasons for getting an RMA, reasons that aren't even valid but Google fulfills them anyway. Not only that, but people will brick their Nexus cuz they're stupid and come here to ask what they can do to RMA. They do this when it was CLEARLY their fault for bricking it and they think Google should have to cover the cost for a new one because they (the person) flashed a ROM/kernel for a different phone. If I were Google, I would probably be looking at this option, sadly.

the S4 isnt the only non nexus that has been released in the past with pure android, nor will it be the last. htc has released stock android phones before, so has lg. sony has even been working with aosp for the xperia http://techcrunch.com/2013/04/23/so...n-source-project-for-the-xperia-z-smartphone/

Here's the deal Nexus gives you the most bang for your buck. No one else gives you that. The N4 is half the price of the S4. The next Nexus phone will be a power house of hardware for a bargain.
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simms22 said:
the S4 isnt the only non nexus that has been released in the past with pure android, nor will it be the last. htc has released stock android phones before, so has lg. sony has even been working with aosp for the xperia http://techcrunch.com/2013/04/23/so...n-source-project-for-the-xperia-z-smartphone/
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This, I remember the biggest reason I bought my G2 was due to stock Android. It might not have been AOSP, but was close enough. I kept it running until I got my Nexus, and it was even running 4.2.

The Nexus lines future will always be as bright as the Sun!

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The Nexus lines future will always be as bright as the Sun!
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lol i hope your right about that one. I just don't want it to be to the point that nexus users get the crap specs from an OEM that is more worried about their flagship. Why should they go all out on a nexus device when they can provide each type of consumer what they want...a version with either their skinned version of android or pure android. Just playing devil's advocate lol...

Simple there contracted to. If you don't fulfill your contract you don't get paid. To be honest I almost bought a S3 cuz I didn't do much research before buying a phone. The nexus is the best kept secret from none rooters, flashers, etc. Thank god I do tons of research before buying anything and troll xda
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Galaxy S4 is not the first device reintroduced in the i/o with stock android, back in 2011 or 2010 google introduced Galaxy Tab 10.1 with stock honeycomb in it.
And for AOSP support, not every device shipped with vanilla android in it get an AOSP support.
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I don't get the reaction to Samsung's Google edition S4. It isn't a Nexus and shouldn't be compared with a Nexus. The Nexus product line is first and foremost designed by Google then built by their respective manufacturers. The S4 doesn't even follow the button layout for Android! This Google edition S4 is just purely software and since I assume that Samsung will be the ones responsible for maintaining the software, it'll still be second class compared to the Nexus line when it comes to the latest and greatest Android version.

intersectRaven said:
I don't get the reaction to Samsung's Google edition S4. It isn't a Nexus and shouldn't be compared with a Nexus. The Nexus product line is first and foremost designed by Google then built by their respective manufacturers. The S4 doesn't even follow the button layout for Android! This Google edition S4 is just purely software and since I assume that Samsung will be the ones responsible for maintaining the software, it'll still be second class compared to the Nexus line when it comes to the latest and greatest Android version.
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Nexus 4 is based on LG Optimug G. It is almost like a little redesigned Optimus G with Google's software. SGS4 Google Edition isn't redesigned, but also got Google's software. It will be sold through Play Store, it was revealed on Google I/O by Hugo Barra and it was said that it will get updates at the same time as other Google's devices. So like it or not, SGS4 Google edition could be easily called Nexus 5. I guess they didn't want to launch new Nexus only a few months after LG Nexus 4 became widely available.
Nexus 4 is very good phone, the best for its price, but got some problems - thermal throttling, cracked glass on back, which isn't cheap to replace due to internals on backcover, limited internal space and lack of SD cards, camera isn't very good. Other than that, it is very good phone. SGS4 got great hardware, but software is its weak point and I didn't want to get another Galaxy S phone because of that. But now SGS4 Google Edition is very tempting, because finally great hardware will get great software + fast updates.

The Galaxy S4 Google Edition is not a Nexus device, as much as Samsung fanboys would believe it is.

Apart from Google calling it the Nexus S4, planning to update it timely and selling it through the play store.

I'm sure Google has nice plans for their Nexus series. Or will stop making them. Which I highly doubt! Hope.
Also I don't know how anyone could get themselves to believe they sell a product at a loss.
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Google/Android have a confusing agenda of where they want to go with the Android platform.
I guess their agenda is to just throw the kitchen sink at everyone and everything and hope to conquer the mobile platform that way.
I thought they had a certain way they were going to do the "Nexus" line.
Nexus is "pure google"
"Prompt" updates
"state of the art" hardware (with horrible camera..ha ha)
affordable pricing
The Galaxy Nexus and Nexus 4 (especially with the price reduction of the original GNex to $399 than $350).
I personally do not think the pure Galaxy S4 will be a big seller in the USA. Most Americans are on family plans with post paid services like ATT or Verizon.
Paying full $650 price for a smartphone only makes sense if you go prepaid and have 1-2 lines. Most Americans on post paid have 4-5 lines where subsidized phones make sense.
No one remembers the original iPhone was $499/599. It was not a big seller except for techies or people who have too much money. When Apple dropped the price to $399 it boosted sales quickly.
There is still plenty of money to be made by selling phones below $400. Most top of the line smartphone cost $200-250 to make. So profit margin is still there.
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myturbo1 said:
I'm sure Google has nice plans for their Nexus series. Or will stop making them. Which I highly doubt! Hope.
Also I don't know how anyone could get themselves to believe they sell a product at a loss.
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I know. It costs $200-250 to make a smartphone with high end specs. Even accounting for advertising costs. Their is still $50-100 profit to spare.
I think Google purposely kept the 8GB/16GB with no SD to secure profits.

I might have missed something but does anyone else think that the fact Google bought Motorola mobility means they are going to eventually stop dependence on other phone manufacturers? It sucks to build awesome software and have to rely on other companies to put it on. Then said company delays in putting updated software on devices which in turn makes people upset they got android in the first place.
I know kinda out there but i can kinda see how this would work.
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Also I don't know how anyone could get themselves to believe they sell a product at a loss.
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Because they probably do. Let's break it down. It'll be quite a journey, so pack a lunch.
The cost of materials alone cost, let's say, $250. That's only $50-$100 "profit" per unit. Considering how many units they sell, that's still a large amount of money, right? Well, that $250/unit cost doesn't cover labor (that I know of, I could be wrong; in which case disregard this point, there are plenty more). They have to pay the people to assemble the phones. Then they have to pay to ship it over-seas to get it to the U.S. Don't quote me here, but I think companies have to pay taxes on commercially-imported things. You know the U.S. government want their cut. Even if that's not true, don't worry; there are plenty of other things to eat that $50 up.
Research and Development is probably the biggest cost of any small electronics device. You have to pay those engineers to design your phone with the hardware you want and make it the size you want. I'm no pro or anything, but I'm pretty sure R&D has beta-testing of the hardware from the prototype all the way to the finished product. That's hardware that will never see light of day.
I take that back about R&D being the most costly thing about making electronics. Let's touch on the point I made of people RMA'ing. When it's legitimate, it costs the company a ridiculous amount of money. I don't even know what they do with the phones that are RMA'd, but I don't see them selling refurbished phones on the Play store. That's money down the drain. And that's when it's legitimate. Think about those guys that RMA because they are idiots and flashed the wrong kernel to the phone. Google still fulfills those RMA's! They lose so much doing this, it boggles my mind.
Now let's look at why. Why would Google knowingly sell devices at a loss? It isn't exactly the best business practice to sell things and lose money on them. First, let's look at the developers. This phone is a "developers" phone. If you're developing for Android, you are probably using a Nexus to test your app and tweak it. When you're done developing your app, what do you do? Publish it in the Play store. All these "app stores" you see everywhere are huge cash cows, and they cost almost nothing to keep going. Throw an app store up, shave a little off the top of every purchase, and kick back while the money flows in. Secondly, and this is true for every company that sells anything, there is the reputation of the company/product. You make a solid phone and sell it for pretty cheap, you get happy customers. Happy customers tend to also be returning customers. I know people that buy iPhones simply because it's called "iPhone", and has the apple on the back of it. That's purely the reputation of the phone. They were happy with their previous phones, so they simply go to the updated version of it when they need to buy another one. I picked on iPhones because it's probably the most widespread example of this, plus it has to do with a phone, which is what we're talking about.

The nexus line is Googles way of thanking developers and phone enthusiasts, they are ones that buy the phone
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Johmama said:
Because they probably do. Let's break it down. It'll be quite a journey, so pack a lunch.
The cost of materials alone cost, let's say, $250. That's only $50-$100 "profit" per unit. Considering how many units they sell, that's still a large amount of money, right? Well, that $250/unit cost doesn't cover labor (that I know of, I could be wrong; in which case disregard this point, there are plenty more). They have to pay the people to assemble the phones. Then they have to pay to ship it over-seas to get it to the U.S. Don't quote me here, but I think companies have to pay taxes on commercially-imported things. You know the U.S. government want their cut. Even if that's not true, don't worry; there are plenty of other things to eat that $50 up.
Research and Development is probably the biggest cost of any small electronics device. You have to pay those engineers to design your phone with the hardware you want and make it the size you want. I'm no pro or anything, but I'm pretty sure R&D has beta-testing of the hardware from the prototype all the way to the finished product. That's hardware that will never see light of day.
I take that back about R&D being the most costly thing about making electronics. Let's touch on the point I made of people RMA'ing. When it's legitimate, it costs the company a ridiculous amount of money. I don't even know what they do with the phones that are RMA'd, but I don't see them selling refurbished phones on the Play store. That's money down the drain. And that's when it's legitimate. Think about those guys that RMA because they are idiots and flashed the wrong kernel to the phone. Google still fulfills those RMA's! They lose so much doing this, it boggles my mind.
Now let's look at why. Why would Google knowingly sell devices at a loss? It isn't exactly the best business practice to sell things and lose money on them. First, let's look at the developers. This phone is a "developers" phone. If you're developing for Android, you are probably using a Nexus to test your app and tweak it. When you're done developing your app, what do you do? Publish it in the Play store. All these "app stores" you see everywhere are huge cash cows, and they cost almost nothing to keep going. Throw an app store up, shave a little off the top of every purchase, and kick back while the money flows in. Secondly, and this is true for every company that sells anything, there is the reputation of the company/product. You make a solid phone and sell it for pretty cheap, you get happy customers. Happy customers tend to also be returning customers. I know people that buy iPhones simply because it's called "iPhone", and has the apple on the back of it. That's purely the reputation of the phone. They were happy with their previous phones, so they simply go to the updated version of it when they need to buy another one. I picked on iPhones because it's probably the most widespread example of this, plus it has to do with a phone, which is what we're talking about.
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R&D is done by the contractor, which I'm sure is already spent by the contractor since they build phones, the people manufacturing the phones are in sweat shop conditions so I don't think there paid much. My family does a lot of over seas manufacturing and you would be surprised at how much it really cost
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The nexus line is Googles way of thanking developers and phone enthusiasts, they are ones that buy the phone
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R&D is done by the contractor, which I'm sure is already spent by the contractor since they build phones, the people manufacturing the phones are in sweat shop conditions so I don't think there paid much. My family does a lot of over seas manufacturing and you would be surprised at how much it really cost
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Not really. It's a consumer device in the same arena as the Galaxy series, however Google has failed miserably at advertising and pushing their product due in part to poor management. The same corporate structure that gives rise to things like AOSP is not the ideal format for selling items across multiple countries and cultures. They still cannot definitively say what the end goal is with the Nexus line. If they're trying to steer people into Google services then they need to figure out how to advertise and sell, which in this country means getting in bed with the carriers, and that will not change no matter how much these forums boast about prepaid plans. That doesn't even begin to get into the area of "open source" and how no one outside of this community gives a damn.
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HTC One 5 million sold!

After hearing all the bad news about execs leaving HTC because the companys not doing well etc, etc!
Thought it's time for some good news:
HTC is close to 5 Million units sold (Shipped to carrier's) thats 50% of what Samsung claims.
The fact that HTC is having shortages is proof that those #'s are mostly in consumer's hands rather than retailers.
http://news.cnet.com/8301-1035_3-57...ches-about-5-million-units-sold-since-launch/
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Difference is, Samsung has a massive product line.
HTC, pretty much all they have is the One, since First was a utter flop (whodathunkit?!)

wonshikee said:
Difference is, Samsung has a massive product line.
HTC, pretty much all they have is the One, since First was a utter flop (whodathunkit?!)
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Also remember the HTC One isn't avalible for Verizon... That is 5 million sales on the "smaller" carriers.

wonshikee said:
Difference is, Samsung has a massive product line.
HTC, pretty much all they have is the One, since First was a utter flop (whodathunkit?!)
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I'm comparing the One to S4 (Apple's to Apple's)! Not whole manufacturer division sales.
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numus said:
Also remember the HTC One isn't avalible for Verizon... That is 5 million sales on the "smaller" carriers.
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...yet.
This is still in the rumor mill. And it really does sound like it's gonna happen. They may not have released it to Verizon right yet because the demand would crush any opportunity of them meeting it. That being said, next month when the component providers kick up their orders, and HTC starts getting more produced, it's going to explode when it's been predicted to be released on Verizon. This will be huge.

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...yet.
This is still in the rumor mill. And it really does sound like it's gonna happen. They may not have released it to Verizon right yet because the demand would crush any opportunity of them meeting it. That being said, next month when the component providers kick up their orders, and HTC starts getting more produced, it's going to explode when it's been predicted to be released on Verizon. This will be huge.
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If they give Verizon one with an SD slot..
..omg, I'm going to be so pissed. Not only would they be kicking dirt in the face of the other users but completely prove themselves to be liars about the "not enough room" crap.
They would have such a gigantic **** storm. I'm sure they'd get **** if they got a 64GB version though..
...be careful how you announce the Verizon version, HTC. All I'm saying.
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S4 also has way more advertising and they bash apple in their ads. HTC just needs to kick up their advertising and promotions like Samsung has.
The s2 is a horrible device and I still get customers coming in asking for it because Samsung is advertising it still. I have to spend extra time to convence the customers that signing a 2 year agreement on the s2 is a terrible idea.
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It's going to be the DNA 2
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Supply and demand, Verizon should just announce it already. Remember the long lines Apple releases first created. It would be great if an HTC device could drive the same traffic to stores. If Verizon releases and says quantities are limited it very well could cause great success with a limited supply should the current devices in the market on other carriers (like the one I have on Sprint) continue to amaze everyone I show.
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Remember the long lines Apple releases first created. It would be great if an HTC device could drive the same traffic to stores.
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No, android fans are smarter than that. There are better ways of getting a bleeding edge device than sleeping on concrete at the stores doorstep.
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Guys, this is a $350 phone. UNLOCKED!

I don't start many opinion threads and I've been on this site a very long time.
However, I've been seeing lot of threads come up for the NEXUS 5, regarding it's QC, and maybe questionable components. So I'll chime in and offer some of my views, for what they're worth and you can go ahead do the same.
In this day and age, a $350 smartphone (Unlocked and with no contract) is a bargain, ESPECIALLY one as capable of the Nexus 5. You guys CANNOT forget that.
This is a device that can easily handle some of the devices costing twice as much. it's a powerhouse with very up to date specs for a price that is very low.
You're getting the latest in processing power as well as graphics. You're getting an excellent screen that's large, VERY bright, very sharp with accurate color reproduction. Yes your contrast might not be as ridiculous as the OLED screens but they both have ups and downs. but come on, you forget all the negatives when you think it's a $350 device. I do atleast.
Me personally, battery life is good for me, but if it's not for you, well again, it's good, not excellent. But if you got this battery life with a $700 device, you'd be upset but at $350...........how upsent can you possible be? not to mention it's one of the very few wireless charging devices with VERY fast charge times.
Camera is Good, not a ground breaker but trust me....it's much better than other sub $350 retail phones. Compared to them, it's a gold mine of a camera.
Not to mention the software...it has the latest and during it's cycle will always be the first to have the latest.
wait....did I mention it's a $350 phone? Think about alll the feature it has at $350....... then see if you complain about the little "button rattle" you have.... which you only discovered because someone else did...... come on now..
It's one helluva a device, and if you take price into account....GOD DAMN, It's a bargain of the decade (Till the next nexus ).
your thoughts?

It's a bargain no doubt. If you don't mind the cut corners in battery, speakers and camera and value latest software very highly then it's the right device for you.
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MohJee said:
It's a bargain no doubt. If you don't mind the cut corners in battery, speakers and camera and value latest software very highly then it's the right device for you.
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Of course, that's why it's a $350 phone, not a $650 phone
But given the choice of nexus 5 at $350 and a Galaxy s4 at $600.................I just couldn't justify the extra $250 for the GS4...that's me. ..... and I own both lol.

I still think it is pretty crazy what they managed to pack into a $350 phone.
I just think these people are whingers. If they weren't whinging about this, they would have something else to whinge about.

I'm not one to complain. I've just sold my HTC One and bought this. But in the UK and a lot of other countries we are paying $560 for this phone.
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It's a great bargain no doubt, it's just that discovering hidden flaws in a product is never pleasant, regardless of the price.
Also they try to make it pass for a no-compromise product, which inevitably sets people up for disappointment. If they just came out and said "hey, this is just a decent phone, not perfect, but the price is amazing guys" then it would be different, expectations would be different I think.
They're the one inviting comparison with $700 devices by marketing it as they do.

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I don't start many opinion threads and I've been on this site a very long time.
However, I've been seeing lot of threads come up for the NEXUS 5, regarding it's QC, and maybe questionable components. So I'll chime in and offer some of my views, for what they're worth and you can go ahead do the same.
In this day and age, a $350 smartphone (Unlocked and with no contract) is a bargain, ESPECIALLY one as capable of the Nexus 5. You guys CANNOT forget that.
This is a device that can easily handle some of the devices costing twice as much. it's a powerhouse with very up to date specs for a price that is very low.
You're getting the latest in processing power as well as graphics. You're getting an excellent screen that's large, VERY bright, very sharp with accurate color reproduction. Yes your contrast might not be as ridiculous as the OLED screens but they both have ups and downs. but come on, you forget all the negatives when you think it's a $350 device. I do atleast.
Me personally, battery life is good for me, but if it's not for you, well again, it's good, not excellent. But if you got this battery life with a $700 device, you'd be upset but at $350...........how upsent can you possible be? not to mention it's one of the very few wireless charging devices with VERY fast charge times.
Camera is Good, not a ground breaker but trust me....it's much better than other sub $350 retail phones. Compared to them, it's a gold mine of a camera.
Not to mention the software...it has the latest and during it's cycle will always be the first to have the latest.
wait....did I mention it's a $350 phone? Think about alll the feature it has at $350....... then see if you complain about the little "button rattle" you have.... which you only discovered because someone else did...... come on now..
It's one helluva a device, and if you take price into account....GOD DAMN, It's a bargain of the decade (Till the next nexus ).
your thoughts?
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And what is wrong with the battery? Stock, my battery life has been very good so far.
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And what is wrong with the battery? Stock, my battery life has been very good so far.
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Posts like this is what causes contention among people. I think most people understand it's basically a steal for what you get at this price, but when you have people who act like the phone is flawless it's highly annoying. The nexus 5 is a great phone but the battery life definitely isn't one of it's strengths. Battery life is average on this phone, if you think it's great(or great with tweaks) try out other phones and you'd reconsider your definition of great.

I'm assuming the Nexus program was an intention of to show what Google can bring to the platform through software and not hardware.. Well then.. can Google make another program where hardware matters and listen to the community of what they want without cutting corners? I'll pay for that.

I have yet to see anyone acknowledge the feet accomplished by Google. Let's look at the problem space here. We need to build a phone with a good camera. Has latest hardware specs. Performs well with new operating system as it will be a hallmark device for it. Works on major carriers. Has LTE support. Work internationally. Has international LTE support. Supports both gsm and cdma. Oh and let's not forget it needs to be half the cost of all other flagship phones! Come on people there is only one other company that is even comings close to accomplishing such feet's and that xoimi. And for now they are only China based handsets. So let's give some props where props are due. I just got my bad boy today and I am in love with it!
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Many of you talk like Google Play supported countries are the only countries in the world. In many countries in Asia the Nexus 5 will cost just as much as the S4 and Htc One. In that case, it is unreasonable to see these issues in such an expensive phone. I may still buy it because of the development but please don't say that there had to be corners cut for the cheap price when in the majority of the world the phone is being sold for the equivalent of other high end phones.

shoco said:
It's a great bargain no doubt, it's just that discovering hidden flaws in a product is never pleasant, regardless of the price.
Also they try to make it pass for a no-compromise product, which inevitably sets people up for disappointment. If they just came out and said "hey, this is just a decent phone, not perfect, but the price is amazing guys" then it would be different, expectations would be different I think.
They're the one inviting comparison with $700 devices by marketing it as they do.
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I'm sorry but what do you mean by "they try to make it pass for a no-compromise product"? Who exactly are "they"?
From my understanding, the product was launched WITHOUT any fanfare. It just mysteriously one day popped up on Google Play store.
If by "they", you mean the Tech Media and their "rumors" and leaks..... then yes, that's what they do. but the manufacturer and seller of this product never set any expectations, we set them as consumers from what we were fed by the tech media.
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And what is wrong with the battery? Stock, my battery life has been very good so far.
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If you read what I said, I also said it's been good for me. Not sure about your question.
cas8180 said:
I have yet to see anyone acknowledge the feet accomplished by Google. Let's look at the problem space here. We need to build a phone with a good camera. Has latest hardware specs. Performs well with new operating system as it will be a hallmark device for it. Works on major carriers. Has LTE support. Work internationally. Has international LTE support. Supports both gsm and cdma. Oh and let's not forget it needs to be half the cost of all other flagship phones! Come on people there is only one other company that is even comings close to accomplishing such feet's and that xoimi. And for now they are only China based handsets. So let's give some props where props are due. I just got my bad boy today and I am in love with it!
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pretty much.
Lastest in processing, graphics, bluetooth, radio chipset, NFC, wireless charging (Very few phones support this), excellent software, a rather well built device, great screen, acceptable battery life, acceptable camera...... and to package it all in a $350 price tag...it's no small feat indeed. I think the more we take THAT into account, we can begin to appreciate the $350 price tag.
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Many of you talk like Google Play supported countries are the only countries in the world. In many countries in Asia the Nexus 5 will cost just as much as the S4 and Htc One. In that case, it is unreasonable to see these issues in such an expensive phone. I may still buy it because of the development but please don't say that there had to be corners cut for the cheap price when in the majority of the world the phone is being sold for the equivalent of other high end phones.
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unfortunately, there are other economic factors that play into the pricing here when involving other countries that just out of Google's hands. Customs, taxation, economic conditions all play a role in it....... just things that can't be controlled in all cases.

n19htmare said:
unfortunately, there are other economic factors that play into the pricing here when involving other countries that just out of Google's hands. Customs, taxation, economic conditions all play a role in it....... just things that can't be controlled in all cases.
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Yes but in my case it is completely reasonable for me to moan about low QC, battery, speakers, and camera when I paid full price. Of course I won't be doing that because the nexus 5 is awesome for the most part.

avocco said:
I'm not one to complain. I've just sold my HTC One and bought this. But in the UK and a lot of other countries we are paying $560 for this phone.
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You did ??!!! Really ??
But why ?
Are you satisfied ?? Please put up your thoughts
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And what is wrong with the battery? Stock, my battery life has been very good so far.
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Say how good ?
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I certainly wouldn't trade a working HTC One or Note 3 for one as some have suggested. Not even a G2. But for those who need a new phone on their own dollar there is no other choice.

My phone is perfect in every way not one defect. Best phone i have owned. Coming from a s3
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It's not only hardware. It's also this f****** closed source cpu drivers with Samsung, (exynos), the considerable delay to have version updates with correct sources and so on. A lot of major companies tend to turn like Apple. (See Knox, region simlock and so on)
Google is not a charity foundation neither, but at least our devs have less pain to bring us good roms.

Yeah 350 for you guys in the states, I got mine at 520 in asia
Life is not fair

12 hours usage so far today, battery is at 73%. Spent about an hour streaming music over wifi at the gym. About 1 hour of sporadic screen on time. Pretty happy with the battery.
What people forget is that when they get a new phone they tend to spend much more time than usual installing new apps, testing things out. The battery ran out on me and I started to agree with you all... until i realised i had installed 80 apps and played 3 different games for 4 hours of screen on time. (add on top of this all the stuff going on in the back ground setting things up).

Its a nexus device I guess aim toward developer so they can build better apps and stuff. The regular Betty and Nancy can love along lol
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