I can't take it. After getting spoiled by having a Galaxy Nexus for just over a few weeks- I find myself really wanting the Nexus 4 but since Verizon wants to go all Fascist about what gets on their precious network- all of us Verizon users are all stuck out in the cold.
Does anyone actually think that maybe there's enough demand for the Nexus 4 on Verizon's network that they might actually listen and change a policy or two so that they'll work with Google to get it?
Not a chance. Google learned their lesson with the horrible CDMA carriers.
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diablos991 said:
Not a chance. Google learned their lesson with the horrible CDMA carriers.
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This. It's not up to Verizon.
Just switch to T-Mobile if you're in a good area, it's fast enough
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Rod3 said:
This. It's not up to Verizon.
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Sure it is. Google won't deal with them because of the way they treat their network. I blame Verizon, not Google. And if Verizon sees it's going to hit them in the pocketbook, then that's how change is made.
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Just switch to T-Mobile if you're in a good area, it's fast enough
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I'm not. Verizon has the best coverage in this area. And I'm on a corporate plan.
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Sure it is. Google won't deal with them because of the way they treat their network. I blame Verizon, not Google. And if Verizon sees it's going to hit them in the pocketbook, then that's how change is made.
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Definitely not up to Verizon! When Google says they'll make a CDMA version, THEN its up to Verizon....Google is not making one...yet at least
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Simer03 said:
Definitely not up to Verizon! When Google says they'll make a CDMA version, THEN its up to Verizon....Google is not making one...yet at least
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Okay- so answer this, WHY did Google not want to make a CDMA version?
street9009 said:
Okay- so answer this, WHY did Google not want to make a CDMA version?
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Because CDMA sucks?
street9009 said:
Okay- so answer this, WHY did Google not want to make a CDMA version?
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Because CDMA technology isn't used in most of the world. It also costs more in licensing out the modems and radio technology. Google wanted to make the Nexus 4 a cheap, unified device. Putting it on a CDMA network would cost them more money if they wanted to keep this idea in play.
They aren't going to make a model for CDMA because 95% of the world uses GSM.
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Because CDMA sucks?
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And it has absolutely nothing to do with the fact that Verizon went Nazi and won't release timely updates to Android without extensive approval?
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And it has absolutely nothing to do with the fact that Verizon went Nazi and won't release timely updates to Android without extensive approval?
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The issue isn't Verizon not updating the device. Google could care less. It's about paying more money to get a device to run on an obsolete network. Read my previous post.
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And it has absolutely nothing to do with the fact that Verizon went Nazi and won't release timely updates to Android without extensive approval?
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That has something to do with it. Only apple gets away with that stiff it seems.
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The issue isn't Verizon not updating the device. Google could care less. It's about paying more money to get a device to run on an obsolete network. Read my previous post.
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Cute. So in other words- no Nexus 4 because Google could also care less about us Verizon folks using it or not.
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Okay- so answer this, WHY did Google not want to make a CDMA version?
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CDMA is a DEAD technology! Future is GSM!
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Cute. So in other words- no Nexus 4 because Google could also care less about us Verizon folks using it or not.
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I do not see how in anyway my response could be deemed "cute", but whatever.
And I said it's because Google doesn't want to be losing money on a device. The Nexus 4 is already DIRT cheap. Getting the proprietary CDMA radios licensed out for it would cost this thing called MONEY.
I'm on Verizon myself, but enjoy my Nexus 4 on T-Mobile. Stop your whining and get it on another carrier if you want it so bad.
If Google were to look at it from an American standpoint, yes putting it on our CDMA carriers would be logical as they have the largest consumer base, but they aren't. They are looking at it at a Global standpoint. We're one of the only countries that uses CDMA technology (yes there is a few small carriers here and there outside, but that's it). It makes MORE SENSE to put a device on a global standard format than one just for our carriers. The Nexus 4 was designed to be a cheap, fast, and universal device.
This is also the reason why the Nexus doesn't have full 4G LTE Support (Even though it can be tricked into reading 4G LTE rigidly with a MOD).
Licencing fees.
Either get a Nexus or Don't. Verizon can't do anything about a GSM device coming onto their network unless they were to redevelop it themselves, which in that case they probably would NOT sell it for $300.
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I do not see how in anyway my response could be deemed "cute", but whatever.
And I said it's because Google doesn't want to be losing money on a device. The Nexus 4 is already DIRT cheap. Getting the proprietary CDMA radios licensed out for it would cost this thing called MONEY.
I'm on Verizon myself, but enjoy my Nexus 4 on T-Mobile. Stop your whining and get it on another carrier if you want it so bad.
If Google were to look at it from an American standpoint, yes putting it on our CDMA carriers would be logical as they have the largest consumer base, but they aren't. They are looking at it at a Global standpoint. We're one of the only countries that uses CDMA technology (yes there is a few small carriers here and there outside, but that's it). It makes MORE SENSE to put a device on a global standard format than one just for our carriers. The Nexus 4 was designed to be a cheap, fast, and universal device.
This is also the reason why the Nexus doesn't have full 4G LTE Support (Even though it can be tricked into reading 4G LTE rigidly with a MOD).
Licencing fees.
Either get a Nexus or Don't. Verizon can't do anything about a GSM device coming onto their network unless they were to redevelop it themselves, which in that case they probably would NOT sell it for $300.
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Right. I got that from your first post. The "cute" was sarcastic.Guess I'll stick with Samsung for now.
And just where was I whining?
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Right. I got that from your first post. The "cute" was sarcastic.Guess I'll stick with Samsung for now.
And just where was I whining?
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Reiterating your belief that Verizon has control over a GSM device when people have told you they DON'T indicates whining to me.
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Reiterating your belief that Verizon has control over a GSM device when people have told you they DON'T indicates whining to me.
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No. Whining would be "But I reeeeaaaallllly waaaaaaannnnt iiiiittt! Why is Google so meeeeaaaann?"
I honestly had heard that Google stopped working with Verizon due to Verizon's policies about locking down phones on their network. They don't release updates in a timely manner at all. Hell even the GNEX still hasn't gotten 4.2.x from them. If you're not on a custom ROM, you're on 4.1.2 right now.
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No. Whining would be "But I reeeeaaaallllly waaaaaaannnnt iiiiittt! Why is Google so meeeeaaaann?"
I honestly had heard that Google stopped working with Verizon due to Verizon's policies about locking down phones on their network. They don't release updates in a timely manner at all. Hell even the GNEX still hasn't gotten 4.2.x from them. If you're not on a custom ROM, you're on 4.1.2 right now.
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If you really really want it that much, you'll switch to T-Mobile/AT&T and get one. Or even better, get yourself a straight talk sim card and no commitment, its only 45 bucks a month.
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Related
http://www.droid-life.com/2012/05/1...going-away-all-users-pushed-onto-shared-data/
I knew Big Red would find a way eventually, didn't think it would have been this soon.
For now it is only those on 3G with 3G phones but everyone else will soon follow. Sprint is looking good about now.
Quite sad of what Big Red is doing. Looks like ATT is my next best choice for coverage since T-Mobile still has 2G in my area and Sprint has 3G and ATT has 4G also.
This makes the news yesterday about Google possibly selling unlocked "Nexus" devices in the Play Store all the more interesting. Then pick your carrier. I see a possible loophole if by some miracle there are CDMA/LTE Nexus devices I will never have to re-up my contract. That looks how to be only way to keep unlimited at this point is never renewing or upgrading phone through Verizon once they have this bullsh*t program in full swing.
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This makes the news yesterday about Google possibly selling unlocked "Nexus" devices in the Play Store all the more interesting. Then pick your carrier. I see a possible loophole if by some miracle there are CDMA/LTE Nexus devices I will never have to re-up my contract. That looks how to be only way to keep unlimited at this point is never renewing or upgrading phone through Verizon once they have this bullsh*t program in full swing.
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Sadly, They only sell GSM phones for now which needs to change. But, they said in the post that everybody will eventually be forced into a "shared" plan that even not upgrading they'll still put you into one from my understanding unless I missed something.
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Sadly, They only sell GSM phones for now which needs to change. But, they said in the post that everybody will eventually be forced into a "shared" plan that even not upgrading they'll still put you into one from my understanding unless I missed something.
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Damn.. just looked at the Play Store and didn't know they would have that up so fast. BUT the good news is they are going to have Nexus phones and tablets about 5 different NEW devices and not just Motorola so I will have to keep an eye out. My contract isn't over with til 2013 anyways. Hoping by then for a 4.3-4.5" Motorola Droid 5 or variant with full QWERTY which is my dream phone right now. I cannot go to a 4.0" phone after 4.3" but I miss the physical QWERTY of my D1.
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Damn.. just looked at the Play Store and didn't know they would have that up so fast. BUT the good news is they are going to have Nexus phones and tablets about 5 different NEW devices and not just Motorola so I will have to keep an eye out. My contract isn't over with til 2013 anyways. Hoping by then for a 4.3-4.5" Motorola Droid 5 or variant with full QWERTY which is my dream phone right now. I cannot go to a 4.0" phone after 4.3" but I miss the physical QWERTY of my D1.
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Mine isn't over till Summer of 2013 but I was planning on stealing one of my family members upgrade plans since they have one this coming November which is exactly the time when the new Nexus phones come out but I'll have to see if me and my family stick around with Verizon until then. Also, the Droid 4 has a physical qwerty keyboard which I'm not sure how people can use a physical keyboard (I had a physical keyboard before this phone) and I've messed around on the physical keyboard and It feels so weird to even type on it when I use to be able to type paragraphs in seconds on that phone without even looking at the keyboard.
Here is another article with a little clarification...
http://thenextweb.com/mobile/2012/0...-plan-unless-you-buy-a-new-subsidized-device/
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Went into the Verizon store near me and asked them about it and they said that they don't even know about only through customers coming in. He said that corporate sent them an email saying they haven't released anything yet on it.
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lol.. my experience the Verizon Store employees don't ever know anything
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lol.. my experience the Verizon Store employees don't ever know anything
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Or they just play stupid.
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lol.. my experience the Verizon Store employees don't ever know anything
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Lol that's true.
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More than likely they are in the know, they are just directed to play stupid as being knowledgeable does nothing to help their bottom line or store sales.
If I lose my unlimited, I'm going to leave Verizon and go to some bootleg company like Boost. I hate Sprint so will never go back to them.
I pay what I pay for the 3 lines that I have because I like ny unlimited. I lose that...how about it don't be worth the money anymore. I'd rather pay $50 a phone with boost or cricket or metropcs.
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Interesting article
Thanks for the article; it will be interesting to see if Verizon does indeed follow through with eliminating the grandfathering of unlimited data plan. This is one of the features my wife and I both love.
I went to Verizon yesterday and the guy said he's heard about it but he's never gotten any official thing that he said if it is implemented it'll be at the end of the year or somewhere around there.
This whole thing is weird to me...
We have US Cellular out here, and if they can get a few more phone options I may just go with them. Everyone I talk to says they are a breeze to deal with and the network is good enough to work with.
I know VZW sucks when it comes to updates and everything. But I was hoping the nexus 4 would have 4G LTE...now that I have had LTE i can't go back.
I could see it "maybe" coming to vzw and other carriers like that down the road. Google playing it smart to roll unlocked first then go from there. In all aspects GSM is cheaper in many ways.
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Google's relationship with Verizon has been strained to say the least. I doubt you'll ever see the two working together in the life time of the Nexus 4.
Honestly I'd be surprised if Google even bothered to support US CDMA carriers at all.
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I could see it "maybe" coming to vzw and other carriers like that down the road. Google playing it smart to roll unlocked first then go from there. In all aspects GSM is cheaper in many ways.
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in a way i am happy though. because i am not a fan of LG products in any way. i still refer to LG as "Low Grade"
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in a way i am happy though. because i am not a fan of LG products in any way. i still refer to LG as "Low Grade"
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That was the coolest story I've ever heard.
If you don't like LG then why are you bit!!!ng here
I don't care as a T-mobile user
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I don't care as a T-mobile user
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Same, left Verizon after the OG Droid to T-Mobile for all the nexus phones following it. So glad I did. Costs me less than 1/2 the cost I was paying at verizon monthly as well
Yeah what about sprint too. But sprint lte is taking forever it is a mile away from me and the speeds are not even that great. Don't think its fully launched but knowing sprint for 11 years speed has never been there thing. Switching to T-Mobile soon
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There are a couple wish list threads for this type of discussion.
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What do you think about the Nexus 5 coming to Verizon
Serious thread
Will update with some sources of speculation as they roll in
Funny read on Nexus 5 rumors on droid-life:
http://www.droid-life.com/2013/10/08/so-many-ridiculous-nexus-5-rumors-today/
According to CNET it will have Verizon support:
http://reviews.cnet.com/google-nexus-5/
Verizon Forums with some thoughts on the Nexus 5:
https://community.verizonwireless.com/message/1004704
It won't come to the useless CDMA carrier. They are happy with their ugly verizon logo branded phones.
VZW is a skank. You should ditch that skank.
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VZW is a skank. You should ditch that skank.
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Swerve, I don't have Verizon....
I want it to happen really bad but I know it probably won't. Verizon will never let Google have the software control they need because CDMA.
I really wish I didn't have unlimited data. Otherwise I'd pick a new carrier.
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If it comes to Verizon their going to screw it up somehow, someway!!:crying:
My prediction is it'll come compatible with Verizon's network, but Verizon will refuse to activate it and beat around the bush about why they won't, when they are obviously trying to find a way that they can install bloatware or otherwise screw with the device.
Just look what happened when deb came out.
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My prediction is it'll come compatible with Verizon's network, but Verizon will refuse to activate it and beat around the bush about why they won't, when they are obviously trying to find a way that they can install bloatware or otherwise screw with the device.
Just look what happened when deb came out.
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Naw..you mean JUST like they're doing on the Nexus 7 LTE tablet!?!
I would love to stay with Verizon. They are great at my job plus I get a work discount and I have unlimited data...With that said after the way they have handled recent big phones (like the HTC One) if they don't get the Nexus 5 (which they probably won't) I am out of here.
Yup I dont see it happening at all
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My prediction is it'll come compatible with Verizon's network, but Verizon will refuse to activate it and beat around the bush about why they won't, when they are obviously trying to find a way that they can install bloatware or otherwise screw with the device.
Just look what happened when deb came out.
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Well, a device without Verizon Navigator is not much of a device at all. They are just looking out for their customers and want to give them the best experience that they can.
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I REALLY want it to come to verizon.. The only reason why I'm still with vzw is because its either them, Alltel, or Southern Linc. And as ****ty as it is, vzw is the best of those :/
My gnex is getting old and tired and I would relaly like to replace it with the N5. But time will tell. I'm not very optimistic though...
I know this will be a bit selfish, but I hope it won't come to Verizon. They messed everything up, will remove Google Wallet, add their own bloatwares and giant ugly logos, not to mention 6months late updates, it will give a bad reputation to the Nexus brand.
However what I wouldn't mind is if Google work with Verizon and Sprint to make a CDMA device but with pure and unadulterated Android without the firmware being messed with, although Verizon would not agree to that, they need to put in CarrierIQ and what not.
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I know this will be a bit selfish, but I hope it won't come to Verizon. They messed everything up, will remove Google Wallet, add their own bloatwares and giant ugly logos, not to mention 6months late updates, it will give a bad reputation to the Nexus brand.
However what I wouldn't mind is if Google work with Verizon and Sprint to make a CDMA device but with pure and unadulterated Android without the firmware being messed with, although Verizon would not agree to that, they need to put in CarrierIQ and what not.
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According to leaks....nexus 5 is already compatible with CDMA....at least from what ive read....the issue is that verizon wont let you activate/use it...again from what ive read
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I think that it's compatible with CDMA, just not Verizon's CDMA. Something about it skips over the 800 band in CDMA. If I recall correctly anyways.
Wonder why CNET assume it's coming to Verizon?
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CBMC said:
Wonder why CNET assume it's coming to Verizon?
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I wonder why anyone still read or trust CNET.
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I wonder why anyone still read or trust CNET.
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Yeah. The author probably saw cdma bands in the fcc filing and assumed that meant Verizon(not realizing that they were not Verizon bands) . I really doubt that this writer has some inside information about the phone coming to Verizon.
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Screw Verizon and its users. Yes, Verizon has a great network, but NO it's not worth getting raped by them and having to use their locked down hacked phones and over priced plans.
Verizon and AT&T are the big brothers of the cell industry, their mentality of "You will take what we give you and like it." is killing it for consumers. Yeah T-Mobile and Sprint has worse networks, but the more people that move to them will show the giants they can't operate like that.
I would drop Verizon in a heartbeat if I could. Paying for a single line with 1gb of data and it's right at 100 bucks. And that's with my 17% discount through work! But, I can't drop Verizon... It's either them or alltel for my area...
So I've been thinking... I still remember my Nexus S getting super late ICS and Galaxy Nexus never getting 4.3 up until now. The reason always being that Sprint needs to approve the update on their CDMA network. I'm concerned the N5 US model might have the same issue here...
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So I've been thinking... I still remember my Nexus S getting super late ICS and Galaxy Nexus never getting 4.3 up until now. The reason always being that Sprint needs to approve the update on their CDMA network. I'm concerned the N5 US model might have the same issue here...
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If you buy from the play store which supports sprint network as well you need not worry. Not sure of the ones sold directly by sprint. Even though they may be the same motel they can delay updates based on serial number or something like that.
To be safe I would suggest buying from play store. Carriers are useless and try to always screw up customers.
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Unlike most other phones that are available on multiple carriers, there are no variants for the US model of the N5 - it's literally the same phone regardless of whether you use it on Sprint, T-Mobile, or AT&T. That means everyone gets updates independent of the carriers this time.
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Unlike most other phones that are available on multiple carriers, there are no variants for the US model of the N5 - it's literally the same phone regardless of whether you use it on Sprint, T-Mobile, or AT&T. That means everyone gets updates independent of the carriers this time.
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I bet the ones sold by Sprint will be locked.
Wil this have wifi calling for tmobile? Thanks.
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Wil this have wifi calling for tmobile? Thanks.
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not unless T-Mob is going to be selling it in their store later. currently, there are no plans to have a T-Mob branded X, so no.
Its not as a big of a deal breaker now with hangouts going voip.
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not unless T-Mob is going to be selling it in their store later. currently, there are no plans to have a T-Mob branded X, so no.
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I'm sure an Android can add that feature through software. It's not like the iPhone has a special hardware chip or whatever for it. I could be so very wrong though, but that wouldn't make much sense
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I'm sure an Android can add that feature through software. It's not like the iPhone has a special hardware chip or whatever for it. I could be so very wrong though, but that wouldn't make much sense
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in the T-Mob S4 Android Development section, this was a sought after feature on my VirginROM which was created for non-Google Play Edition S4's so that they could have the Google Play Edition experience. a developer finally got it working after many many months of trying but it was never released.
tl;dr - no, this will never happen, sorry.