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Does xperia z has oleophobic coating or any kind of coating?
From experience of xperia T, scratch easy with stock screen protector, taking off screen protector attracts finger prints and smudges. Also hard to get off unless use glass cleaner. The glass has a resistant vs oleophobic coating.
With Galaxy S3 oleophobic coating, its smooth and easy to get finger prints off without glass cleaner.
It will be a deal-breaker for me, as much as i love the design and material on xperia z.
Some kind gentleman take off screen protector and tell me how is the glass it self feels like? does it feels like the xperia T?
I dont care about which glass is stronger, i want a smooth screen without screen protector.
tvp480 said:
Does xperia z has oleophobic coating or any kind of coating?
From experience of xperia T, scratch easy with stock screen protector, taking off screen protector attracts finger prints and smudges. Also hard to get off unless use glass cleaner. The glass has a resistant vs oleophobic coating.
With Galaxy S3 oleophobic coating, its smooth and easy to get finger prints off without glass cleaner.
It will be a deal-breaker for me, as much as i love the design and material on xperia z.
Some kind gentleman take off screen protector and tell me how is the glass it self feels like? does it feels like the xperia T?
I dont care about which glass is stronger, i want a smooth screen without screen protector.
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It is the same glass. So I think it should feel about same.
Xperia Z ruined for me.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4GzYnDnZDRg
They apply a shetterproof film on the screen. If you don't want it - you can replace it with any other screen protector - or apply a second one on it. It doesn't affect looks or screen responsivness - so what's the problem here ?
Jeez... I think I might cancel my pre-order. How could they get this so wrong?!
mwatson said:
Jeez... I think I might cancel my pre-order. How could they get this so wrong?!
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This video is about Xperia T. There is no evidence that Xperia Z is the same other than "she said so".
Also, a shatterproof film is suddenly a bad thing...i'm confused
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This video is about Xperia T. There is no evidence that Xperia Z is the same other than "she said so".
Also, a shatterproof film is suddenly a bad thing...i'm confused
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If you've been using a mobile phones which include a oleophobic coating for 5 years its quite a backwards step to use one without. The screen is the interface to the eye and the finger after all. Did you see the way that screen protector got scratched?
Personally I don't like screen protectors, for others that don't mind then all is good
Some people like salted nuts, others dry roasted. Nothing too confusing I hope! :silly:
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If you've been using a mobile phones which include a oleophobic coating for 5 years its quite a backwards step to use one without. The screen is the interface to the eye and the finger after all. Did you see the way that screen protector got scratched?
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I honestly don't care as i always use a screen protector and am quite used to them. If i can have both antishatter and antiscratch protectors on at the same time, without compromising display's clarity and responsiveness - it's even better.
Having just glass would be nice - but i don't believe in Gorilla Glass anymore. Had 3 phones with GG1/2 and they all got scratched very easily before i started to use protectors - so yeah, if you don't like screen protectors, Xperia Z might not be the best option as it most likely will scratch without one due to not-so-scratch-resistant antishatter film.
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I honestly don't care as i always use a screen protector and am quite used to them. If i can have both antishatter and antiscratch protectors on at the same time, without compromising display's clarity and responsiveness - it's even better.
Having just glass would be nice - but i don't believe in Gorilla Glass anymore. Had 3 phones with GG1/2 and they all got scratched very easily before i started to use protectors - so yeah, if you don't like screen protectors, Xperia Z might not be the best option as it most likely will scratch without one due to not-so-scratch-resistant antishatter film.
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TBH the best thing is to go into a "3" store and have a look. They already have them on display in some stores.
mwatson said:
I think I might cancel my pre-order.
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You shouldn't be on the internet if you made that decision just by that video.
brambizimski said:
You shouldn't be on the internet if you made that decision just by that video.
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You must be a school child with comments like that
If you look carefully in videos on youtube it would seem that the back of the handsets attract more prints. Perhaps the front and back use different layers on the glass.
Bare in mind these are all pre-production models.
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brambizimski said:
You shouldn't be on the internet if you made that decision just by that video.
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mwatson said:
You must be a school child with comments like that
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Guys, don't do this, seriously...
Akiainavas said:
Guys, don't do this, seriously...
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Sure.. Ended! maybe someone who has seen one in the flesh can confirm if it has one of these weird build in screen protectors on?
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Sure.. Ended! maybe someone who has seen one in the flesh can confirm if it has one of these weird build in screen protectors on?
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Yes it does have it on. You can see it here:
3 UK Hands on
I'm pretty sure that all Sony phones have had it on though.
Akiainavas said:
They apply a shetterproof film on the screen. If you don't want it - you can replace it with any other screen protector - or apply a second one on it. It doesn't affect looks or screen responsivness - so what's the problem here ?
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Screen looks and touch experience is my problem. I had both, xperia T, S3 and note 2. S3 screen looks very nice, feels very nice and smooth. I use swype, so i swipe alot. Using xperia T is nice too, but its not the same experience as oleophobic coating on it(S3).
If xperia z has the same glass as the xperia T, then its a deal breaker for me.
Hoping Xperia Z will be using a different glass and some kind of coating under that stock screen protector.
Note- I dont use screen protector, so replacing stock screen protector doesnt work for me.
Waiting patiently for a retail version Screen review.
Here's a good durability test from a different sony device. Hmmm seems pretty durable to me....
This negates the Xperia T video posted few posts back.
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Here's a good durability test from a different sony device. Hmmm seems pretty durable to me....
This negates the Xperia T video posted few posts back.
Riyal said:
Here's a good durability test from a different sony device. Hmmm seems pretty durable to me....
This negates the Xperia T video posted few posts back.
This negates the Xperia T video posted few posts back.
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note screen size and device name Xperia ACTIVE
Still note that Xperia is still Xperia. Unless Sony decides to downgrade their screen technology... And size may affect durability but not in that type of tests.
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You must be a school child with comments like that
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+1
Come on guys, it did ruin Xperia Z for me too. BTW gorilla glass's purpose is to prevent shattering. Oleophobic layer is done above it and that catches scratches. Same vlogger did a detail video explaining Gorilla Glass's myths of being scratch proof.
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From all the prototype xperia z, it seem like it uses the same screen as xperia T. Hopefully it doesnt use the same screen as xperia T. I had both phone and xperia T is disappointing. If its the same screen then its a deal-breaker. Still waiting for retail, Somehow xperia z upgrade there phone, dont put on stock protector and put a layer of oleophobic on it, they they score gold. If not, then lots of people will be disappointing, unless your a screen protector type.
Loss of response and screen clarity
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iujona said:
Loss of response and screen clarity
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not with sgp ultra crystal, what screen protector are you using?
AW: Don't use a screen protector
Was just about to say. Use a real protector and not some transparent plastic you found in your fridge.
In defense of iujona some expensive "military grade" screen protectors are almost like sticking a combination of bubble plastic and syrup to your screen.
I finally settled for a hard plastic variety that does not get marked by my S-Pen and cheap enough to change every month or so.
A screen protector goes a long way towards protecting your screen from enemies like sand. It also helps in preventing dynamic tension release. Allow me to explain. When gorilla glass is made, the final step is to dip the glass into a polymer, which makes a thin oleophobic coating, and then shrinks a bit, making a tight fit. This greatly improves durability, but puts the entire pane under orthogonal volumetric shearing strain, or for the common man's day to day vocabulary, stress. When the screen them scratches, this stress/pressure is released, and causes a crack, similar to how one would score a glass pane to cut it. The panel of glass will, on the next fall, fail along this near invisible hairline. Screen protectors prevent the layer on the glass from breaking in this manner, by acting as the first line of defence.
Tl;dr: spans l spend a few bucks on a good screen protector, even if you feel its a tad expensive. It's a miniscule portion of what was spent on the phone, and is well worth it
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True, yet...
1. people report that after the factory fitted protector is removed, the glass does not exhibit oleophobic properties
2. as can be taken from above, a protector is already fitted, so the shattering effect should be eliminated already
3. I spend a whopping 20 bucks on the one I ordered and planning to glue it on top of the already fitted one
What a great and insightful thread
DO USE a screen protector.
If your screen protector caused any losses in responsivenes or clarity - change brand because it's not very good...
How can you buy a 500 pounds glass phone and not apply a screen protector on it ?
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How can you buy a 500 pounds glass phone and not apply a screen protector on it ?
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I don't use screen protectors and never have it always reminds me of people who leave plastic covers on their car seats.
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I put on an 'invisibleshield' from zagg and haven't noticed any difference in response.
It set me back about 15 pounds sterling but since my last phones screen got badly scratched bouncing around in my pocket, I figured that 15 bucks really wasn't much.
It's worth looking after stuff sometimes.
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Have you Tickled Your Android lately?
(tinyurl.com/ticklemyandroid)
After trying many screen protectors seems like there's no quality ones yet in hongkong.
Gonna wait and order one from Japan, rakuten...
I have use a screen protector anyway , I don't think that had any responsible problem
Everything find !!
I'm using a screen protector that made in japan
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Guys there is such a choice it's overwhelming; maybe care to present your favourite brand and why you chose it?
BTW apparently there are screen protectors made out of tempered glass...
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redThd said:
Guys there is such a choice it's overwhelming; maybe care to present your favourite brand and why you chose it?
BTW apparently there are screen protectors made out of tempered glass...
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Christ, just rip off the protective foil. Then you'll have a -lo and behold- scratch resistant screen! Or make up your mind on a 2nd protector to buy.
I don't understand why I need a thick foil on a screen that doesn't scratch. No other recent phone needs it. Neither does this. And don't bring up the shatter thing again. If it breaks it breaks. You can drop it and break it without shattering the display.
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BTW apparently there are screen protectors made out of tempered glass...
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Spigen does that, they have nothing/not yet online concerning the Z though.
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Spigen does that, they have nothing/not yet online concerning the Z though.
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They do now!:silly::highfive::
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=38683874&postcount=61
did you apply a protection film?
I didn`t and I can see some small scratches on my device...
also, can you suggest me a good protection film for xperia z?
There Is a pre installed shatter proof film.
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There Is a pre installed shatter proof film.
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but it gets very easily scratched :S
I already had a few small scratches
I suggest you try one of the various cheap hard plastic screen protectors that are available. This cost only a few dollars so you can change them once every one or two months. That's what I do with my Note II
I think the point wawyed was making was your device is not scratched, the pre-installed film is.
There are quite a few threads on this exact topic already.... you can remove the pre-installed film if you wish - but you may loose your Sony logo. There are a few good replacement films out there (Spigen)
Bottom line: remove the stock film and replace, or leave the stock film - and put yet another one on top of it.
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I think the point wawyed was making was your device is not scratched, the pre-installed film is.
There are quite a few threads on this exact topic already.... you can remove the pre-installed film if you wish - but you may loose your Sony logo. There are a few good replacement films out there (Spigen)
Bottom line: remove the stock film and replace, or leave the stock film - and put yet another one on top of it.
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I read some informations on the net, but I` think the pre-installed one is a different kind of film
I was thinking about using a normal film over the pre-installed one
masanosuke said:
did you apply a protection film?
I didn`t and I can see some small scratches on my device...
also, can you suggest me a good protection film for xperia z?
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I had applied 3M Vikuiti ADQC27 to Xperia Arc S, S, T, TX and I ordered one more set for tomorrow when I get XZ. I was very pleased with this screen protector, but tomorrow I'll decide on which one to apply them: 3M or the 2 that come in the package (I ordered extra package with dockingstation, smartTags and screen protector). And yes, I put it over the preinstalled one :good:.
Where did you ordered the extra package?
get a set of these and be done with it!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2222928
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but it gets very easily scratched :S
I already had a few small scratches
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The back of my phone has a couple of hairline scratches - I presume it's because of the bolts near my jeans' pocket. But the screen is fine so far. :victory:
Do you think that will be available a screen protector like the anti-shatter film that Sony put on the phone? It's scratching very easy and I'm thinking that if something similar will be available then I will remove the one from Sony and put that one. On other Xperia phones is available this kind of screen protector?
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Do you think that will be available a screen protector like the anti-shatter film that Sony put on the phone? It's scratching very easy and I'm thinking that if something similar will be available then I will remove the one from Sony and put that one. On other Xperia phones is available this kind of screen protector?
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I think the chance of that happening is 1%, but I am surprised that companies haven't brought screen protectors with the sony logo/text.
Also a thing Sony could do is to bring out a services to re-apply the anti shatter sheet for us, specially since it scratches so easy.
Anyways, the reason why I don't see it happening is because the anti shatter sheet is being applied by a device, it needs to fit perfectly or it might lose it's function. Screen protectors can be applied by men, because it's only there to protect the device from scratches and such, not to stop the screen from shattering, even though normal screen protectors also do that, but on a smaller scale.
1. There is no screen protector with Sony logo because of patent / copy rights. It would be very expensive to get the right to use the logo.
2. Sony already offers the service to replace the anti shatter film. Costs about 20 bucks
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20 bucks is not much but I think is not ok to charge me that money for a piece of anti shatter film that scratches very very easily, I've put an cheap film and I will look for a better one in the future to preserve this anti shatter , but extremely scratching film from Sony. That's a huge minus for them. A gorilla glass would be a perfect solution, too bad that Sony didn't think of that. But I still love the phone
I'd prefer to completely remove the anti shatter film, but something is still holding me back. Maybe it's because I payed some hard earned money for that thing, whatever don't wanna argue about that here.
I did not put any other protection film on my XZ. I think it's odd to have two on you display and to be honest there is nothing compared to real glass. the feeling is way better... still don't wanna argue 'bout that.
so I have no protection on my display and I do not use a case... "this guy is an idiot" ...I will buy one soon; I promise. For now I use a little bag where I used to keep my sunglasses. Btw Krussel has some nice covers. "get to the point dude!" ...I keep my XZ in a sidepocket of my jacket and there is nothing else in that pocket and stil I got a few scratches on my display. It does not bother me at all. You have to look very closely to see them. What I am trying to say is that the anti shatter film scratches very easy and as far as I remeber there is gorilla glas underneath... so close, yet so far. I can live with that... for now. Someday I will take it off anyway. I just love my plain black XZ without any logos. LOL, I used to put a little piece of dark tape on my old s2, just to cover up the logo.
Hello,
i was reading the thread about removing the anti-shatter film and been thinking about doing it myself, however i noticed that there is no official or at least confirmed information about the glass that is used in xPeria Z. I have read that it is Gorilla glass on the front and Dragontrail on the back or the other way around, but i could not seem to find the proof that it is actually those brands that are used.
Usually, i believe, the phone manufacturers are proud of the protection they use for their screens and tend to highlight that they are using the strongest glass available on the market, yet in Xperia Z's case it is just said that it's a scratch resistant glass with anti-shatter film on it. It might be that it's just Sony that won't talk about the glass
So if anyone knows any solid info about this, please do share it .
Thanks.
I think they are both dragontrail glass.
http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B00AXXOXKW
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dragontrail front gorilla back
G1_enthusiast said:
dragontrail front gorilla back
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Corroborate that statement.
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Corroborate that statement.
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Sony never said (in public) what glass they used, they just said "some kind of tempered glass". So I've got no clue why Amazon says Dragontail @ front and back. Why would only they have this kind of info?
Front uses Dragontrail Glass, and the back is Gorilla Glass 2 according to slides from Sony's presentation in Hong-Kong. As long as our friend from XDA got the translation right. We can be - at least - sure there's Dragontrail and Gorilla Glass on XZ.
Interestingly though, the one slide that detailed the glass components is now missing...
Here's the original thread where we found and shared the details - there was one more slide there that got removed from the site:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2157204
It got saved on other websites though, you can see it here:
http://www.mobilexperia.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/DT_GG_1.jpg
In terms of resistance, which is the best? Dragontail or Gorilla Glass?
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In terms of resistance, which is the best? Dragontail or Gorilla Glass?
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Pretty much identical. I have read stories of people breaking the back panel and some breaking the front panel both from drops or pressure applied in their pockets
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Front uses Dragontrail Glass, and the back is Gorilla Glass 2 according to slides from Sony's presentation in Hong-Kong. As long as our friend from XDA got the translation right. We can be - at least - sure there's Dragontrail and Gorilla Glass on XZ.
Interestingly though, the one slide that detailed the glass components is now missing...
Here's the original thread where we found and shared the details - there was one more slide there that got removed from the site:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2157204
It got saved on other websites though, you can see it here:
http://www.mobilexperia.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/DT_GG_1.jpg
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Yes, i have seen this slide and also i have read that it might not be 100% true, moreover the picture is taken from someone's laptop.
Some guys here on xda seem to have sources of information from inside sony, maybe they could answer the question?
HI there. Just ordered my Z1S and I'm really excited. Unfortunately it is new, limited to one carrier, and designed slightly differently than the international equivalent. So that means it's hard to find accessories.
I'm wondering if there are any manufacturers I should look out for that might produce a product I could use to protect the glass on the front and back. From what I've seen they are in fact pretty shatter-proof, but seem to scratch very easily.
I've never been the type to ever put a case on my phone, personally I think they detract from the beauty of the device, but I've seen some Nillkin glass screen protectors that don't look too bad.
I bought the Nilkin tempered glass for my Z1. Will never use any screen protector but tempered glass from now on. Really happy with it.
Couldn't get the link but search for this on eBay.
Nillkin H+ 9H Hardness Premium Tempered Glass Front + Crystal Clear Back Protector Films for Sony Xperia Z1 L39h
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I bought the Nilkin tempered glass for my Z1. Will never use any screen protector but tempered glass from now on. Really happy with it.
Couldn't get the link but search for this on eBay.
Nillkin H+ 9H Hardness Premium Tempered Glass Front + Crystal Clear Back Protector Films for Sony Xperia Z1 L39h
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I already contacted the seller on ebay to see if they could source it for the Z1S. I don't see why not. That stuff all comes from factories in Shenzen and Shanghai... they can pump out stuff so fast. They have accessories made long before a device is announced.
My understanding is that the phone comes with the factory screen protector already installed
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My understanding is that the phone comes with the factory screen protector already installed
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And in my experience when something is shatterproof it tends to scratch easily. Just like when something doesn't break it bends. There's always a tradeoff when you want lightweight protection.
There's some nasty scratch tests on youtube with the z1. Some drop tests too. Didn't shatter, but it didn't look pretty after.
If I can put an additional layer of strong glass on the front and back protect the nice stuff underneath... worth it.
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And in my experience when something is shatterproof it tends to scratch easily. Just like when something doesn't break it bends. There's always a tradeoff when you want lightweight protection.
There's some nasty scratch tests on youtube with the z1. Some drop tests too. Didn't shatter, but it didn't look pretty after.
If I can put an additional layer of strong glass on the front and back protect the nice stuff underneath... worth it.
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Did you ever find a good screen protector? I got a scratch on the factory one and want to remove it to replace it. At least I hope the scratch is only on the protector...
Thanks
Check out xtreme guard, they have both wet and dry install screen protectors for Z1s. I got both but used wet first.
So far, our Z1s doesn't have a reliable glass protector. I'm waiting for spigen to have one.
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