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Discuss Upgrading Raider (Bell/Rogers) to ICS

After reading for the last 2 days, I am still unsure of exactly how to upgrade my Raider (Canadian) to ICS. There are probably others trying to work out the same. So, to avoid the problem of having noobish questions asked repeatedly in multiple other threads, I have created this thread. If the thread is active, I will try to keep the first couple posts updated to minimize the need to read through multiple pages!
If you are a Dev or experienced, knowledgeable user, I'm sure you see the benefit to answering once in a proper thread.
My thoughts so far:
1. Back everything up and fully charge your device.
2. Have a plan for what you will do if this fails and you brick your device.
2. Unlock your bootloader and Root your device. Link To Slapshot30's Superguide
4. Turn off security on your device (S-OFF) Link to Juopunutbear S-OFF Thread
5. Change your carrier id to "SuperCID" jmone's post on checking and changing your CID
6. Relock your bootloader.
7. This is the step I am unsure of... People seem to use some terms interchangeably, but I'm not sure it is reliable. For example, HBOOT, boot.img and kernal. I think the first two are synonymous but I'm not sure kernal is the same? Since there is no Bell or Rogers ICS, we are going to use another carrier's stock, or more likely, a custom ROM. I have read that you need to replace the HBOOT (boot.img?) with one that is a match for the ROM you wish to install. I think a match generally will be found by (ideally) using the HBOOT recommended by the ROM dev, or secondarily, using the HBOOT for the same carrier and same OS (eg if a rom is based on AT&T 2.3.7, then using the HBOOT extracted from the stock AT&T GB 2.3.7 RUU would work). So, we need to clarify the steps here for HBOOT/boot.img (and kernal?)
8. Install ICS ROM!
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Noobs, etc: Ask away and as we get answers I will add them to the FAQ post.
For those that have been successful in applying ICS to their Canadian Raider, please provide precise, detailed explanation of how you did it!
DEV's & other experts, your input would be appreciated. In return, you'll minimize pages of unwanted posts elsewhere!

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Okay to start off I have a Bell raider with S-OFF and running Dark Raider 1.2 with the KozmiKKernel Beta 5.
Follow this handy guide made by mohamed_moscow: (word for word)
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1612685
Once you get to the last step you can flash any custom rom and kernel!

Almost glad that I haven't been checking XDA in a while only to come back and see the s-off is working now. Awesome.

After updating my Bell Raider to ICS, I noticed nothing bad except one thing : when I'm in call, the other person I'm talking to is complaining about some feedback thru my phone. They say they hear themselves.
Anyone has the same issue?
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ideaLduK said:
After updating my Bell Raider to ICS, I noticed nothing bad except one thing : when I'm in call, the other person I'm talking to is complaining about some feedback thru my phone. They say they hear themselves.
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My guess is this will get resolved once Rogers releases their ICS OTA/RUU and we have a proper Rogers radio.img.

formicae said:
My guess is this will get resolved once Rogers releases their ICS OTA/RUU and we have a proper Rogers radio.img.
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Which brings the next question....when rogers when????
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I just updated the superguide and it should work for all carriers. The basis of it for carriers other than AT&T is....
lock bootloader
run GB RUU for whichever carrier
unlock bootloader
S OFF
flash wcx recovery
update to international ICS hboot
flash wcx recovery
flash custom kernel + ROM

If the radio really is the issue, since bell and rogers share identical protocols and frequencies you will be able to use the bell radio. Bell has announced released in june, so if rogers doesn't parallel back you can get s-off and then just apply the new bell radio.
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slapshot30 said:
I just updated the superguide and it should work for all carriers. The basis of it for carriers other than AT&T is....
lock bootloader
run GB RUU for whichever carrier
unlock bootloader
S OFF
flash wcx recovery
update to international ICS hboot
flash wcx recovery
flash custom kernel + ROM
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So that way we would keep our radio, right?
Sent from my HTC Raider 4G LTE running ICS.

Well I have the att vivid using red pocket. This is what I did. When I got phone it was already running ics.
Unlock bootloader
Installed wcxrecovery and flash wcx ics 3.6
You can stop right there if your using att vivid. But I continued and
S-off
Super cid
Pretty simple as the superguide wasn't updated when I did it but I just read up before installing anything. Took me an hour to do everything now I have a awesome phone that I traded for a skyrocket for. No regrets
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ideaLduK said:
So that way we would keep our radio, right?
Sent from my HTC Raider 4G LTE running ICS.
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I think so... But it's looking like I probably need to add in the CID stuff to the guide just to be safe as well.

slapshot30 said:
I think so... But it's looking like I probably need to add in the CID stuff to the guide just to be safe as well.
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Well I will try that and I will report the results here for you to know.

ideaLduK said:
Well I will try that and I will report the results here for you to know.
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Yea definitely let me know. We've been having a few problems lately with people that have the Canada version so your feedback might help figure stuff out.
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Raider ICS Update
I started off with the Rogers HTC Holiday and in a span of a day I managed to complete the entire unlock procedure thanks to SUPERGUIDE and the thread on ICS HBoot update. This was the most complicated device I have ever unlocked amongst HTC Pyramid z710a and the HD2. I hope ROGERS releases this RUU soon! Installing Dark Raider 1.4.2 as I type!! ))

Bajio20 said:
I started off with the Rogers HTC Holiday and in a span of a day I managed to complete the entire unlock procedure thanks to SUPERGUIDE and the thread on ICS HBoot update. This was the most complicated device I have ever unlocked amongst HTC Pyramid z710a and the HD2. I hope ROGERS releases this RUU soon! Installing Dark Raider 1.4.2 as I type!! ))
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Which thread do you mean by the one for hboot update? The one where you change the cid values and such?
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I'm running DarkRaider 1.4 on a Rogers Raider. I followed the steps for the S-OFF you linked in your post, then flashed WCX recovery via the Vivid AIO tool (check the Dev forum, it's stickied). After that, I just flashed the ROM via recovery, no problems.
Other than a few ROM specific bugs, I haven't had a problem. I'm still waiting for Visual Voicemail to work though.

Does it worth to s-on for OTA?

Hi,
i enjoyed the last month with beeing able to use ICS without waiting for HTC.
So now they released the offical update also in my region, and as it seems i would need to go back in the cave of s-on to tryout. Could someone who has tried the offical version compared to for example "we want ics v3" tell me if it worth the trouble or if its more sensefull to just wait for the devs to build up new mods on the basic of the offical HTC release?
thx for help...:cyclops:

vaenson said:
Hi,
i enjoyed the last month with beeing able to use ICS without waiting for HTC.
So now they released the offical update also in my region, and as it seems i would need to go back in the cave of s-on to tryout. Could someone who has tried the offical version compared to for example "we want ics v3" tell me if it worth the trouble or if its more sensefull to just wait for the devs to build up new mods on the basic of the offical HTC release?
thx for help...:cyclops:
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WWE is out. I think there's no point going back to s-on just for the ota.
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zukri90 said:
WWE is out. I think there's no point going back to s-on just for the ota.
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+1 and imo the custom roms like arhd are more optimized and better
And if you don't like it you have the chance to use aosp or ported roms from newer devices
And soon hopefully we will have jelly bean roms too
So I would stay s off
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For my s-off IncS there's a way to install RUU official rom from HTC without waiting for developed new rom like "we want ics"?

[Q] Root without HTCDevUnlock?

There has been no mention in the ONE forums before these started getting split off about being able to root without going through HTC Devunlock first. Do you think that is being worked on and will be released? Someone had pointed to a twitter post from someone about that in the EVO LTE forums but that was weeks ago and nothing ever got posted to XDA.
Trying to figure out if I should jump on this phone or not, want to know how quickly I can get root for things like Greenify/Titanium/Adblock/Wifi Tether. I can wait for full unlock S-Off and Roms, but those apps are essential to how I like to experience my phones.

Htcdev does not root your device. It somewhat unlocks it but keeps the security on. Most devices are rooted fairly quickly, so this should be no different.
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Htc dev unlock, unlocks your bootloader (s-off). This allows the flashing of new kernels and recoveries.

mrancier said:
Htc dev unlock, unlocks your bootloader (s-off). This allows the flashing of new kernels and recoveries.
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No htcdev doesn't give s-off. Its still s on and you have to use fastboot to flash kernels and radios.
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Sorry about my misleading post. I stand corrected. Thank you.

I confirmed with HTCdev on twitter that the Sprint version of the One is getting unlock support, at least. We may or may not get full S-Off sooner or later, but the supported unlock method will be enough to satisfy me for now.

Over at HTC one (M7) forum they already have quite a few working ROMS I don't see a reason why those ROMS shouldn't work for the sprint version
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It seems to me that everyone is missing the point of his/her question. The question is can you root without doing the HTC unlock method. What if someone wants to have a rooted device but wants to keep there warranty?

64mosh said:
Over at HTC one (M7) forum they already have quite a few working ROMS I don't see a reason why those ROMS shouldn't work for the sprint version
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I would not flash a ROM intended for a GSM device on CDMA.

knlmwq said:
It seems to me that everyone is missing the point of his/her question. The question is can you root without doing the HTC unlock method. What if someone wants to have a rooted device but wants to keep there warranty?
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Sorry I was out of town for work but this is the point I was making.
I understand an unlocked bootloader /= root. That wasn't related to my question.
For example my Asus Transformer tablet has root methods that are available without the use of Asus' Bootloader unlock (similar concept to HTC's version). This gives me features/access to apps that I would like to use without loosing my warranty and without them tracking my phone that way. All of the root methods currently listed in the dev forums are currently requiring HTC Dev unlock to achieve the root access, which although is great for some is not what many of us want.
It is no different than for us coming from a Sprint Evo 4G LTE, many of us achieved root and eventually S-Off without requiring the use of HTC Dev unlock. That is what I am interested in, but my inquiry was about the fact there had been no threads regarding it being worked on or developed.

I was interested in this same thing and did some research and emailed HTC about it. HTC doesn't void warranty automatically just because you unlocked it according to their support, but it allows them the right to deny it. Basically, if they detect non-stock software on the phone, they are likely to void it. It sounded like it didn't matter if you used their unlock method or not.
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64mosh said:
Over at HTC one (M7) forum they already have quite a few working ROMS I don't see a reason why those ROMS shouldn't work for the sprint version
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This is why people brick their phones...
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adrianr514 said:
This is why people brick their phones...
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Haha, right?

knlmwq said:
It seems to me that everyone is missing the point of his/her question. The question is can you root without doing the HTC unlock method. What if someone wants to have a rooted device but wants to keep there warranty?
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Currently, NO, you CANNOT root without HTC dev unlock.
HTCDev unlock does not void your warranty. I'm not going to argue this, nor explain it. Google it.

ok
thanks a lot

Typically, a HTC device that has htcdev support doesn't get a root method without unlocking. It happens but not very many security devs are going to spend any amount of time trying to find a root exploit when one isn't needed to root the device. The time is better spent finding a s-off exploit.
The at&t guys will be plugging away at a root method and if they find a root exploit it will be compatible with ours. unless its a temp root exploit that changes cid to get them htcdev support, in that case it would be useless for us.
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Dev unlock and then check this out
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2236955
This should answer your question

steelh said:
currently, no, you cannot
htcdev unlock does not void your warranty. I'm not going to argue this, nor explain it. Google it.
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be careful with yr statement because this does not apply to all countries. Different Countries service centres have a different policy with regards to consumer laws in that countries
it depends on the consumer laws of the country. Here in singapore or malaysia or some asian countries , once u dev unlock i can say warranty is good as gone.

Magpir said:
be careful with yr statement because this does not apply to all countries. Different Countries service centres have a different policy with regards to consumer laws in that countries
it depends on the consumer laws of the country. Here in singapore or malaysia or some asian countries , once u dev unlock i can say warranty is good as gone.
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You are in a Sprint HTC One forum. So yes, what SteelH said applies.

[Q] HTC One Custom Rom to Sprint HTC One

Hello everyone,
Ok I just got the Sprint HTC One.I've done S-OFF, Super-CID, Unlock.
My Questions are:
1) Is there a way to use ROM from HTC One(not Sprint HTC One)
example any of theese: http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=2115#romList
2) And is it only me but if I do "fastboot flash recovery recovery.img" with Non Sprint TWRP , the recovery doesn't load.
any links with nice,stable,battery friendly ROMs will work for me.
Thank you.

Cr3a7eR said:
Hello everyone,
Ok I just got the Sprint HTC One.I've done S-OFF, Super-CID, Unlock.
My Questions are:
1) Is there a way to use ROM from HTC One(not Sprint HTC One)
example any of theese: http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=2115#romList
2) And is it only me but if I do "fastboot flash recovery recovery.img" with Non Sprint TWRP , the recovery doesn't load.
any links with nice,stable,battery friendly ROMs will work for me.
Thank you.
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If you want a non functioning HTC One flash any of the rom's in the non sprint dev section.

Ok, So with Super CID I should be able to run any RUU? Is this correct
For example I want to use some European non Sprint.Is this going to work

No, you will probably brick your phone.

CNexus said:
No, you will probably brick your phone.
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whew, talk about THICK.

Cr3a7eR said:
Ok, So with Super CID I should be able to run any RUU? Is this correct
For example I want to use some European non Sprint.Is this going to work
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I am guessing we will see a post soon from this guy "stuck in bootloader".
At least you're asking for advice first, but you need to pay attention to the answers.
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Konfuzion said:
I am guessing we will see a post soon from this guy "stuck in bootloader".
At least you're asking for advice first, but you need to pay attention to the answers.
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Alright, you can just answer and explain what actually I can do with SuperCID.
Not to make yourself the smart person here.
Ok, you are right, I will stuck somewhere but that's how we learn...when no one anwers us with real "answer".

dont think super cid is really very useful on cdma phones...

I'm not trying to be the smart person here, I am trying to help you. With super CID you can flash any carriers Rom or RUU, however with Sprint being a coma phone we are very limited so as far as I know having super cid is kind of pointless. Unless someone else knows better.
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Konfuzion said:
I'm not trying to be the smart person here, I am trying to help you. With super CID you can flash any carriers Rom or RUU, however with Sprint being a coma phone we are very limited so as far as I know having super cid is kind of pointless. Unless someone else knows better.
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This is correct. If you read the info in the CID unlock thread it explains everything.
Super CID does allow you to use any RUU, but that doesn't help us as much because Sprint is CDMA, the rest of the varients are currently GSM. However, when the phone becomes available on other CDMA carriers like Boost or Verizon it will be more useful because those will work since they are CDMA as well.
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Cr3a7eR said:
Hello everyone,
Ok I just got the Sprint HTC One.I've done S-OFF, Super-CID, Unlock.
My Questions are:
1) Is there a way to use ROM from HTC One(not Sprint HTC One)
example any of theese: http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=2115#romList
2) And is it only me but if I do "fastboot flash recovery recovery.img" with Non Sprint TWRP , the recovery doesn't load.
any links with nice,stable,battery friendly ROMs will work for me.
Thank you.
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To answer the original questions...
1. Not directly, you'd have to Port them.
2. You need to flash the Sprint TWRP, use either 2.5.0 or 2.6.1. The 2.6.0 version that is floating around is broken.
As far as good tons, I personally havent flashed any because stock, with a different launcher, has worked so well. I read through a lot of the AOSP based Rom threads and there seem to be some issues that need to get worked out before I would consider them strong contenders to the stock stability and features. However any stock roms should give good results, is recommend Viper Rom.
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Give the guy a break; the Super CID is confusing to us Sprint users. Even the guy who posted the Super CID didnt realize till later that it wouldnt do us much good. If it isn't clear to you already, DONT FLASH ANY ROM THAT ISNT SPECIFICALLY BUILT FOR THE SPRINT VARIANT. And dont bother with super CID, even if/when boost and other prepaid options become available, I will have a hard time believing that development will skyrocket because of it. I have been working on three different roms for our beloved sprint variant and have dismal failures for going on three weeks. Couldnt figure out why everybody loved stock so much here, but I think I know now.

Thank you guys, now everything is clear for me :silly:
I am going to use my phone in Europe and in my country we use only GSM, we don't use CDMA at all.
Now I am using this rom: 42ONE - The Aftermath
Really Like it and recomend it.
i've tried with viper but more like this one.

Gpe device running sense roms?

Can I flash sense based roms on the Google play edition ? I know you can do gpe based roms on sense devices but I can't find any info on what happens the other way. Thanks.

Bump, probably trading for this tomorrow so I would really like an answer today. Does anyone know?
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d11dog11 said:
Can I flash sense based roms on the Google play edition ? I know you can do gpe based roms on sense devices but I can't find any info on what happens the other way. Thanks.
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Not as far as i am aware, you will have to go through a few hoops unlocking bootloader s-off - firmware change to sense etc, i have bricked
my device in the process as i have a current post up here asking for help, gonna get M8 tomorrow, so we are in similar circumstances !

rrat said:
Not as far as i am aware, you will have to go through a few hoops unlocking bootloader s-off - firmware change to sense etc, i have bricked
my device in the process as i have a current post up here asking for help, gonna get M8 tomorrow, so we are in similar circumstances !
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I know it needs s off and custom recovery and all that. I just mean once I have it ready to flash roms, is there any reason I can't flash a sense rom?
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d11dog11 said:
I know it needs s off and custom recovery and all that. I just mean once I have it ready to flash roms, is there any reason I can't flash a sense rom?
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I am trying to do that now and i am stuck on the bootloader !!! Bricked, ! You can give it a try but am not a novice and i am stuck with a bricked
GPE version phone, if i was you, sell your working variant GPE on Gumtree, Ebay and go from there ! Good luck

Come on folks. Do your research.
A GPE One's hardware is identical to the AT&T carrier-locked/branded or Developer Edition or "International" (WWE) unlocked/unbranded phones.
Any of them can be turned into any of the others by (carefully) writing to the necessary partitions.
Once any of these phones is S-OFF you can easily run any of the ROMs intended for any of the others.
In fact, you can use "firmware" intended for one while running another, although I would advise you understand what "flashing firmware" really means before making any firm conclusions there.
Anyway, short answer to the OP, yes if you're S-OFF and do a little reading, you can flash a variety of Sense ROMs.
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NxNW said:
Come on folks. Do your research.
A GPE One's hardware is identical to the AT&T carrier-locked/branded or Developer Edition or "International" (WWE) unlocked/unbranded phones.
Any of them can be turned into any of the others by (carefully) writing to the necessary partitions.
Once any of these phones is S-OFF you can easily run any of the ROMs intended for any of the others.
In fact, you can use "firmware" intended for one while running another, although I would advise you understand what "flashing firmware" really means before making any firm conclusions there.
Anyway, short answer to the OP, yes if you're S-OFF and do a little reading, you can flash a variety of Sense ROMs.
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That was the answer I was expecting and I thank you.
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Next question, do I have to worry about s off like I did on my Verizon version or does the old fastboot oem unlock work like a nexus?
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d11dog11 said:
Next question, do I have to worry about s off like I did on my Verizon version or does the old fastboot oem unlock work like a nexus?
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Unlock is not the same as S-OFF.
You can do a lot with just being unlocked, but at some point you probably want S-OFF.
I didn't buy my phone from Google, so I don't know if unlocking is as simple as using a fastboot command like on a Nexus.
If not, you will have to unlock like everyone else. You can go to htcdev.com and/or do it as part of the S-OFF process.
Just to review the obvious, unlocking your phone in this way will erase everything personal on it including your pictures, your music, everything.
Backup your stuff.
To go all the way S-OFF, you first need to find out your HBOOT version. Most GPE phones have 1.54 right now.
Then decide which S-OFF exploit might work for you.
Read the rumrunner and firewater threads very carefully before doing anything. Always read the OP several times and then peruse the last two or pages of activity in any thread before making any conclusions.
Good luck.
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GPE Hboot unlocks just like a nexus with Fastboot OEM Unlock. A token from htc dev is not required.
Still going to need to use an exploit to gain S-OFF
NxNW said:
Unlock is not the same as S-OFF.
You can do a lot with just being unlocked, but at some point you probably want S-OFF.
I didn't buy my phone from Google, so I don't know if unlocking is as simple as using a fastboot command like on a Nexus.
If not, you will have to unlock like everyone else. You can go to htcdev.com and/or do it as part of the S-OFF process.
Just to review the obvious, unlocking your phone in this way will erase everything personal on it including your pictures, your music, everything.
Backup your stuff.
To go all the way S-OFF, you first need to find out your HBOOT version. Most GPE phones have 1.54 right now.
Then decide which S-OFF exploit might work for you.
Read the rumrunner and firewater threads very carefully before doing anything. Always read the OP several times and then peruse the last two or pages of activity in any thread before making any conclusions.
Good luck.
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