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I am hesitant to buy something like this since I have read that the USB Micro on the NC is non-standard.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Barnes-and-...?pt=US_Tablet_Accessories&hash=item19c71f2149

You're smart to worry about these. This one is a simple microUSB cable, not the Nook Color compatible cable which has a longer tip. It will still allow you to transfer data and trickle charge but because of the shorter tip it will not allow a quick charge.
The part that is also important is the plug/brick you plug this cable into. You have to make sure it outputs 1.9 amps so that it is capable of quick charging your Nook Color if you have the correct cable to use. Most usb plug/bricks (like the ones for your phones) will only output about a quarter or maybe half of that. Some Apple iPad/iPhone usb plug/bricks will put out more though.

sjmoreno is right, be wary on these. It shows it is shipping from the inside the United States, but that doesn't mean much as they buy these in bulk from China at a lower price and raise it a bit here. I have ordered a few of these micro USB cables from china eBay listings with varying luck. Some will actually fit, and others won't - some charge REALLY slow and I actually had one that melted on me because it was pulling too much current.

Hey,
If you are still under warrantly, you can call B&N or chat with them on the website and get a new cable, adaptor or a power kit with little or no trouble. Just tell them your current one is not working. You can also go to a Barnes and Noble store and speak to one of the nook guys and you can get a free one there too.

sjmoreno said:
You're smart to worry about these. This one is a simple microUSB cable, not the Nook Color compatible cable which has a longer tip. It will still allow you to transfer data and trickle charge but because of the shorter tip it will not allow a quick charge.
The part that is also important is the plug/brick you plug this cable into. You have to make sure it outputs 1.9 amps so that it is capable of quick charging your Nook Color if you have the correct cable to use. Most usb plug/bricks (like the ones for your phones) will only output about a quarter or maybe half of that. Some Apple iPad/iPhone usb plug/bricks will put out more though.
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Chargers (wall or vehicle) made for Apple products will only charge at the slower rate. The NC looks at the resistance on the USB data lines to see if it should charge at the fast rate. The resistance set on chargers for Apple products is different than for the NC. The only chargers I've come across for the NC that charge at the higher rate are those made by B&N. Other chargers can be modified to work, but that's a different topic.

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mrmark93 said:
Chargers (wall or vehicle) made for Apple products will only charge at the slower rate. The NC looks at the resistance on the USB data lines to see if it should charge at the fast rate. The resistance set on chargers for Apple products is different than for the NC. The only chargers I've come across for the NC that charge at the higher rate are those made by B&N. Other chargers can be modified to work, but that's a different topic.
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Wow, you actually sound like you know what you're talking about. (I kid... I kid...)
Here's a photo of my Apple USB plug which I've highlighted puts out 2.1A. I could use this plug with the official B&N Nook Color cable and it will get the quick charge since the extra length of the tip on the B&N NC cable will allow it to reach the 12 pins that are further inside the Nook's outlet. Although I wouldn't do it since it could (maybe, might, don't want to chance it) send too much current to the battery and possibly damage it or over-heat it.
I also have a Motorola usb plug for my Droid X and Atrix phones but that only puts out 850 mA (.85 Amps) which could trickle charge regardless of the cable I use.
Hope this explained it well enough.

sjmoreno said:
Wow, you actually sound like you know what you're talking about. (I kid... I kid...)
Here's a photo of my Apple USB plug which I've highlighted puts out 2.1A. I could use this plug with the official B&N Nook Color cable and it will get the quick charge since the extra length of the tip on the B&N NC cable will allow it to reach the 12 pins that are further inside the Nook's outlet. Although I wouldn't do it since it could (maybe, might, don't want to chance it) send too much current to the battery and possibly damage it or over-heat it.
I also have a Motorola usb plug for my Droid X and Atrix phones but that only puts out 850 mA (.85 Amps) which could trickle charge regardless of the cable I use.
Hope this explained it well enough.
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right back at ya!
Your Apple unit is rated at 2.1A, but will only 'put out' whatever the NC draws from it, up to a theoretical 2.1A (I never measured over ~1850mA during any of my testing). Have you measured the charge rate on your NC? How? Did you load the battery monitor widget, does it report 'AC Charge' with the Apple charger? Are you using the Nook Tweeks app and forcing the fast charge mode? Just curious.
You made some other comments that are misleading, so I'll say my 'opinion' on those:
You could hook your NC to a 5V, 10,000+Amp power supply and not hurt it. The NC regulates the rate of charge with an on-board charge controller, and even if it didn't, it still wouldn't harm the battery. USB is 5V by specification. Apply 5V to a battery currently holding a charge of less than 5V and it will be charged to 5V. When you first start charging, it will charge at the highest rate available (by supply restraint, charge controller, wire size, connector conductivity) and as the battery becomes more & more charged, the charge rate (current flow) will drop, and when fully charged, the current drops to zero (0). The chargers are rated at what they can safely supply, 1A, 500mA, 2.1A, 850mA, etc without damaging the charger itself-some chargers are smart and limit the current, others will supply what they can and suffer damage if more current is drawn than the charger is rated for (ex: Harbor Freight unit with shorted data pins put out 1.1A (rated 0.5A) and started melting parts before I shut it off). I tested an 'Apple compatible' charger rated at 2.1A and it would only charge at around 600mA unless I shorted the data pins, then it put out whatever the NC would draw, up to a measured max of ~1850mA.

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mrmark93 said:
right back at ya!
Your Apple unit is rated at 2.1A, but will only 'put out' whatever the NC draws from it, up to a theoretical 2.1A (I never measured over ~1850mA during any of my testing). Have you measured the charge rate on your NC? How? Did you load the battery monitor widget, does it report 'AC Charge' with the Apple charger? Are you using the Nook Tweeks app and forcing the fast charge mode? Just curious.
You made some other comments that are misleading, so I'll say my 'opinion' on those:
You could hook your NC to a 5V, 10,000+Amp power supply and not hurt it. The NC regulates the rate of charge with an on-board charge controller, and even if it didn't, it still wouldn't harm the battery. USB is 5V by specification. Apply 5V to a battery currently holding a charge of less than 5V and it will be charged to 5V. When you first start charging, it will charge at the highest rate available (by supply restraint, charge controller, wire size, connector conductivity) and as the battery becomes more & more charged, the charge rate (current flow) will drop, and when fully charged, the current drops to zero (0). The chargers are rated at what they can safely supply, 1A, 500mA, 2.1A, 850mA, etc without damaging the charger itself-some chargers are smart and limit the current, others will supply what they can and suffer damage if more current is drawn than the charger is rated for (ex: Harbor Freight unit with shorted data pins put out 1.1A (rated 0.5A) and started melting parts before I shut it off). I tested an 'Apple compatible' charger rated at 2.1A and it would only charge at around 600mA unless I shorted the data pins, then it put out whatever the NC would draw, up to a measured max of ~1850mA.
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You sound more invested in this. I'll go sulk in a corner now...

sjmoreno said:
You sound more invested in this. I'll go sulk in a corner now...
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Just trying to be helpful
Mess of technical crap from the 'car charger' thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=16505252&postcount=47
I spent half a day measuring crap to satisfy my curiosity. the reuslt: B&N should have standardized with normal (i-device) charging standards

Charger AMP question.

Hi everyone.
I recently got the Xperia Z and noticed the original charger packs a 1500mAh speed (which got me confused because I thought AMP referred to charging speed), but anyhow. I also bought a power bank (external backup battery) and the thing has 2 ports, 5V 1AMP and another 5V 2.1AMP. So I was wondering if the Z can take the 2.1AMP speed without damaging the battery. What do you guys think?
Thanks.

You won't harm it instantly no. Over time, yes.
The battery lives better if you charge it slowly, I charge mine with 500mA when I go to bed. I'd use the 2ma if you were really rushed.
My Stock charger is 1800mA btw. (Dock)

The phone will automatically limit the charging current (amperage), so the battery won't be charged too fast even if you use a 2A charger. I do not know at what amperage the XZ limits the current, but I suppose it's somewhere around the 1500mA of the standard charger.
On the other hand, charging with very low currents may also damage the battery. I read somewhere that prolonged use of a charger with less capacity than around 0.5c (c=the capacity of the battery; 2330mA) might be bad for the battery. Therefore it isn't recommended to only use the USB port of your computer (500mA).
So, for repeated use over long periods of time, a charger with a capacity of over 1165mA (0.5c) is recommended.

Well I don't know what to believe anymore :x

You can safely charge with almost any trusted-brand MicroUSB charger. As long as it's not broken or a cheap chinese knock-off or anything like that. It will output only as much as the phone will accept.
EDIT: 2.1AMP (as you state it) is 2100mA (milliamperes). That's it's current output. It does not refer to "speed" per se, but a battery will charge faster with a higher output charger. A 1000mAh battery will charge from 0 to 100% in one hour if you use a 1000mA charger. Or in half an hour with a 2000mA charger. That's the theory.
In reality, phones and batteries will have safety circuits that limit the charging current so that the battery won't get damaged. It simply will not charge faster than what's safe. If, say, our XZ is limited at 1500mA, then it won't let in more than 1500mA. No matter if the charger is rated at 1500mA or 2000mA. The phone will, however, accept less than 1500mA, but when the current sinks below a certain limit, the phone won't charge at all. That lower limit might be somewhere around 400mA. If your computer's USB port gives out considerably less than 500mA (which is the norm), then there might be something wrong with the port and the phone won't accept it.
For comparison, the Samsung Galaxy S II won't charge at any higher than 700mA. No matter if you connect it to a 700mA or a 2000mA charger, it will only take 700mA and that's it. The stock SGSII wall charger is 750mA.
The XZ, having a bigger battery, will charge at higher than that. I'm guessing 1400-1500mA because the stock charger is 1500mA.

Don MC said:
You can safely charge with almost any MicroUSB charger. As long as it's not broken or anything.
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Awesome then, thanks a lot for your help

Let's face it. It's always best to go with the original charger. If you use a non standard charger the best practise is to use one that has a similar amperage. That said, my Power Bank case puts out 1amp via the dock pins, so... And it's made for the Xperia.
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Criteria for charging amps

Hi,
Does anyone know why it is such a god damn crapshoot for charging speeds on the galaxy note 2 (or any samsung device for that matter).'
You buy a charger rated for 2amps and you never know what it will give you.
You buy a USB micro cable and get anywhere between 0.4amps and 1.6amps.
What is the criteria that the phone is using to determine how many amps to pull from the charger? How does it even know what gauge of wire it is? Is there some sort of resistance check?
I have a Galaxy Note 10.1 and that is even more particular than the GN2. With most aftermarket chargers, it absolutely refuses to charge. I've had so much trouble finding a charger for it I've just stopped using the tablet since I only have one working charger for it.
It really sucks spending anywhere between $2-$30 dollars on a charger and not knowing if it will work. My success rate has been less than 10%.
I try to do forum and google searches, but all I seem to find are comments like "I bought this charger. Seems to work." With no detailed information on what performance they are getting out of it.
This is really turning me off samsung products. I don't have this problem with my HTC or LG android devices.

I don't know why you have problems, I have 2 samsung devices (phones) and I chare them with their original chargers, charger from Nexus 7 and my old charger from Desire HD and all work just fine... ofcourse, the original one is the fastest, since it is 2A, HTC one is 750mA and Ativ S one is 500mA, N7 one is 1A....

dalanik said:
I don't know why you have problems,
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You kind of answer this for yourself, as follows:
dalanik said:
I have 2 samsung devices (phones) and I chare them with their original chargers, charger from Nexus 7 and my old charger from Desire HD and all work just fine... ofcourse, the original one is the fastest, since it is 2A, HTC one is 750mA and Ativ S one is 500mA, N7 one is 1A....
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Your stock charger is 2A. (about 1.5-2 hours to charge)
Your HTC charger is 750mA (about 4-5 hours to charge)
Your ATV charger is 500mA (no better than a computer port. 6-8 hours to charge)
This was my point. This IS my problem. Obviously the stock charger works at 2A, but with any other charger it is anyones guess as to what speeds you're going to get out of it. Even when they are specified to work at 2A, you are likely not going to get 2A out of it. The phone is so bloody fickle.
If there was some benchmark or specific set of criteria I could use when I purchase a new charger to know for certain if it will charge at 2A, then that would mitigate some of the problem at least. But right now, there is none as far as I can tell. When I purchase a charger, I literally have no idea if it will run at 2A with this phone.
I'm glad that you're not bothered by the slow charging speeds and are happy with <1A. I'm sure this works well for most people. It doesn't for me. I push my phone to the max (as I have every right to) and need a charger that can keep up.

Well, charging slowly is different to what you say i.e. "refusing to charge at all" etc. And of course I don't use Ativ's charger to charge N2 often, it would take ages But I use HTC's charger that is 750mA and it charges within 2 hours which is OK.
Anyways, the only solution for you is to buy BRANDED charger from a company you can trust not some cheap chinese, t should work just fine whether it gives 2A or 1.9A is really no big difference.

dalanik said:
Well, charging slowly is different to what you say i.e. "refusing to charge at all" etc. And of course I don't use Ativ's charger to charge N2 often, it would take ages But I use HTC's charger that is 750mA and it charges within 2 hours which is OK.
Anyways, the only solution for you is to buy BRANDED charger from a company you can trust not some cheap chinese, t should work just fine whether it gives 2A or 1.9A is really no big difference.
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Well, there are chargers that refuse to work. Especially with the Galaxy Note 10.1.
Cheap ebay chargers are a crapshoot, that much goes without saying. But there are many brand-name chargers that don't work at full speed, despite being rated for 2A.
Its not so much a charger thing as a samsung thing. While I'm not able to find specific criteria as to how/why the phone decides to charge at the speed it does (which is really the only question I had with this thread), I can tell you that there are many brand name products (monoprice, anker, ngear, etc) that are rated for 2A, but will not run at 2A with the samsung. They will usually run at 2A with other products though.
The more research I do, the more I highly suspect that this is a case of Samsung propriety. It looks like that they are deliberately throttling aftermarket chargers to force you to buy their overpriced samsung chargers. As I understand it, it has something to do with creating a voltage divider between two of the contacts, but every diagram I find shows a different wiring scheme. This would indicate that no one really knows for sure.
The one and ONLY question I have with this thread is to find out what criteria the N7100 uses to determine how much amperage to draw. I remain confident that no one will answer this question because it seems no one knows.

For the Note 2: there is a way to get a simple measurement of how much current is being pulled. Refer to this thread for the apk and more info.

alpha-niner64 said:
For the Note 2: there is a way to get a simple measurement of how much current is being pulled. Refer to this thread for the apk and more info.
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Thanks for posting this. I suppose I should have mentioned that I have this app already and it is incredibly useful. I also have this, which with only a few bizarre exceptions, reports the same as the app.
The more people who are aware of this app, the better. People who think that their aftermarket charger "works fine for me" are probably unaware of how much those chargers are under-performing.

I don't have the education to explain your situation your situation well. But it boils down the electrical engineering the the physics of electricity.
There are quite a few variables that all effect the charging of devices. First thing is what does the device require for charge input, which is both amps and voltage. For whatever reason, quite a few tablets require 15 volts versus 5, which is what most mobile phones need. I have this same issue with my ASUS Transformer Infinity pad. It requires 2.0amps with 15 volts. I have a Galaxy Note II with needs 2.0amps with 5 volts. Unfortunately, when I use my phone charger with the tablet, it puts out enough to trigger a charger is plugged in (turns on tablet if it is off), but not enough to trigger there is actual charging. It does charge it, but it's a trickle charge; basically if it using while plugged in, it only slows the battery depletion rate.
As for the charge output, now you're getting into build quality, resistance of the components of the charger itself and the USB cable being used.
And then depending the device, the pins used on the USB cable can have an effect too. This mostly occurs with tablets or proprietary cables because the pins may tell the hardware what kind of charger is being used, which may have built in limits for charging.
Hopefully that helps some.

lovekeiiy said:
I don't have the education to explain your situation your situation well. But it boils down the electrical engineering the the physics of electricity.
There are quite a few variables that all effect the charging of devices. First thing is what does the device require for charge input, which is both amps and voltage. For whatever reason, quite a few tablets require 15 volts versus 5, which is what most mobile phones need. I have this same issue with my ASUS Transformer Infinity pad. It requires 2.0amps with 15 volts. I have a Galaxy Note II with needs 2.0amps with 5 volts. Unfortunately, when I use my phone charger with the tablet, it puts out enough to trigger a charger is plugged in (turns on tablet if it is off), but not enough to trigger there is actual charging. It does charge it, but it's a trickle charge; basically if it using while plugged in, it only slows the battery depletion rate.
As for the charge output, now you're getting into build quality, resistance of the components of the charger itself and the USB cable being used.
And then depending the device, the pins used on the USB cable can have an effect too. This mostly occurs with tablets or proprietary cables because the pins may tell the hardware what kind of charger is being used, which may have built in limits for charging.
Hopefully that helps some.
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That last part is correct. I actually know enough about electrical circuits to be pretty sure it is the phone deciding how much power to pull.
Ohms law states that the amperage of a circuit is the voltage of the circuit devided by the resistance (in ohms).
USB circuits are almost universally 5 volts. I remember reading somewhere that a phone has a potentiometer that protects it from circuits of incorrect voltage, up to a certain amount. This is probably why you can get away with sticking a 15V charger onto your phone and not blowing it up. You cannot depend on this however. Generally, you do not want to stick a charger into your device that is a different voltage rating than what the charger is rated for.
The charger decides the voltage, using an internal device that changes AC voltage (120VAC if youre american) to 5VDC (USB) or whatever your device needs. This device is called a rectifier.
As stated above, the charger decides the voltage. The battery determines the resistance*, therefore the amperage is the natural result of deviding the voltage by the resistance.
*Resistance is added to the circuit by the wire and the charger itself, but is usually inconsequential.
When a charger says that it is rated for a certain amperage, that means that it is the maximum amount of current that thr internal components can handle safely, without running the risk of earth-shattering kabooms (fire). If the circuit you have connected to your charger contains too little resistance, you will increase the amperage (ohms law, as stated above), and you may end up with a piece of charcoal where your charger used to be.
Thr fact that the samaung phones can change the amperage of a charging circuit so fickly must mean the phone is capable of changing its resistance. So the question becomes, what criteria is it using to determine when to change the resistancr and to what?
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This may be the longest thing ive ever typed on my phone.

I'm not disagreeing since, as you said, the mobile device manufactures have build in some safe guards so we don't fry them from incorrect chargers or over charging.
But there are charges that are 15v. I've have one that came with my ASUS Transformer Infinity Pad. I think many Samsung tablets are in the same boat. I don't recall using that charger on any of my smartphones; if I have, it's only been once or twice, but good possibility I may never have. But as stated earlier, I have used my phone chargers on the tablet, but only does a trickle charge. That tablet has some wide input plug at the end of the USB cord. I'm thinking one of the pins must not get enough power to trigger the full charge. Yet, if I use my Anker external battery, set it to 15v, and a few adapters, it triggers the normal charge cycle.
Don't forget,phones such as Galaxy Note 2, Galaxy S3, use 11pin microUSB ports versus the standard 5. I have no idea what all pins do or trigger, My assumption, part of your answer why the charge output varies lies with how they're use the other pins. I know quite a few tablets have more than 5 pins since the USB port is some wide thing; the ASUS does because it carries data and power for the separate keyboard that can be attached to be a suedo-laptop that has USB ports, battery and full 104 key keyboard; I don't recall what other ports the attachment may have.
I still hold that part of charge difference is also the USB cord itself since difference materials have difference resistance. It may not be as significant as the charger itself, but I've seen significant differences in charging times or depletion rates (around 10% battery per hour) using MHL adapters purely on the USB cables.
Yes, typing out long replies on the phone's virtual keyboard blows monkey chunks. Thus, I use a blue tooth keyboard instead for those situations. I also have a blue tooth mouse, LOL.

Is a fast USB car charger harmful?

After looking up a bit on USB car chargers, many people seem to recommend the Scosche Dual USB Car Charger (reVOLT 12W + 12W). Each USB port outputs 2.4A of power to charge any device (there's a known issue with this charger for some non Apple devices, you should use charge-only USB for those), but our HTC One stock charger outputs only 1A.
I am afraid a fast car charger like this one will easily overheat my battery, charging it much faster than usual and degrading its lifespan. Should I worry about this or can I order this charger and not worry about it?
I'm confused because a lot of people recommend car chargers like this one (with more output power than what the stock charger of your device gives you) and no review mentions the issue I'm raising here. Is this a non-issue?
Would appreciate more information on this topic from more knowledgeable people in this area.

Nazgulled said:
After looking up a bit on USB car chargers, many people seem to recommend the Scosche Dual USB Car Charger (reVOLT 12W + 12W). Each USB port outputs 2.4A of power to charge any device (there's a known issue with this charger for some non Apple devices, you should use charge-only USB for those), but our HTC One stock charger outputs only 1A.
I am afraid a fast car charger like this one will easily overheat my battery, charging it much faster than usual and degrading its lifespan. Should I worry about this or can I order this charger and not worry about it?
I'm confused because a lot of people recommend car chargers like this one (with more output power than what the stock charger of your device gives you) and no review mentions the issue I'm raising here. Is this a non-issue?
Would appreciate more information on this topic from more knowledgeable people in this area.
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I'm no expert here but it is my understanding that the phone will take what it requires to charge no matter if you have a 1A or a 2A charger meaning that you will be wasting the power delivered by the charger. I don't think it will affect the battery nor will make it charge faster as I think the internal logic of the phone would not permit so. It could also be the case that HTC limited the power output on the charger but not on the phone meaning that in this case it will charge faster, and I think degrading battery life. Anyway, if you have someone with a higher amp charger you can test this yourself by measuring the time it takes to fully charge with the original charger and the other one. It will not really have an impact in battery life if you just try.
I guess I didn't respond to your question actually! Sorry

Thanks anyway
But if anyone knows the answer for a fact, please pitch in...

J_M_V_S said:
I'm no expert here but it is my understanding that the phone will take what it requires to charge no matter if you have a 1A or a 2A charger meaning that you will be wasting the power delivered by the charger. I don't think it will affect the battery nor will make it charge faster as I think the internal logic of the phone would not permit so. It could also be the case that HTC limited the power output on the charger but not on the phone meaning that in this case it will charge faster, and I think degrading battery life. Anyway, if you have someone with a higher amp charger you can test this yourself by measuring the time it takes to fully charge with the original charger and the other one. It will not really have an impact in battery life if you just try.
I guess I didn't respond to your question actually! Sorry
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You definitely aren't expert, neither am I, but there are couple things:
You were right about that, that device should pull only as much as it needs.
But he won't waste power (in ideal world). As the phone pulls only 1A from 1A or from 2A charger, he still be pulling 5Vx1A = 5W.
Now, to the original question.
Basically every device pulls as much as it can / needs. The Amps on charger says about how much can it deliver maximum.
The question is, how is constructed htc charging circuit. Whether it relays on maximum from charger, or it has internal limitor..
I will try to make an example to make it clearer:
Imagine, that you have a tube made of glass and a reservoir full of water. Tube is your phone and reservoir is charger.
Now, 2 situations can ocur:
1, Tube is made of very thin glass and it relays, that there won;'t be bigger pressure (more water) in reservoir. If there would be more, tube would crack.
2, Although tube is made of thin glass, it has some mechanism included, let's say pressure regulator on the beginning to reduce the pressure.
Now the question is, which of these cases is our phone about.

In short, the HTC One will pull only 1A out of your charger, regardless of whether it's 2A or 100A. The only way you can make it pull more than 1A is by installing a custom kernel like ElementalX or Bulletproof and ticking on 'Enable USB fast charge' which is disabled by default because it shortens the battery's life.

remusator said:
You definitely aren't expert, neither am I, but there are couple things:
You were right about that, that device should pull only as much as it needs.
But he won't waste power (in ideal world). As the phone pulls only 1A from 1A or from 2A charger, he still be pulling 5Vx1A = 5W.
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What I meant to say is that it would be wasting a 2A charger whilst the phone only seems to require 1A, not meaning that the charger will still be delivering at maximum capacity (2A).
Guess none of us could answer his question as we still don't know how the phone handles the charge.

Subjective answer from an anonymous noob, but I charge my phone with a 2.1A wall charger (built into a power board) and there's no perceptible change in charge rate. I've also used a cheap portible charger, a lithium 800mA, and that battery gets HOT like my m7 is pulling 1A just because it detects it's not limited to usbs 500mA (the power dialog reports AC charging mode).
So it seems to me to be a simple 2 mode as shown as a status in the power dialog, either usb or AC. But, I haven't actually measured or tested anything; this is all just casual observation and assumption.

Can I blow up my USB device?
There is a huge variance, then, between normal USB 2.0 ports rated at 500mA and dedicated charging ports which range all the way up to 2100mA. This leads to a rather important question: If you take a smartphone which came with a 1A wall charger, and plug it into a 2A iPad charger, will it blow up?
In short, no: You can plug any USB device into any USB cable and into any USB port, and nothing will blow up — and in fact, using a more powerful charger should speed up battery charging.
The longer answer is that the age of your device plays an important role, dictating both how fast it can be charged, and whether it can be charged using a wall charger at all. In 2007, the USB Implementers Forum released the Battery Charging Specification, which standardized faster ways of charging USB devices, either by pumping more amps through your PC’s USB ports, or by using a wall charger. Shortly thereafter, USB devices that implemented this spec started to arrive.
Fast forward to 2013 and the HTC One. It is equipped with a USB 2.0 port and when no data is transferred it will accept a charge up to 1A with a minimal standard of 500mA. When you buy a charger that says 2A output, this normally means a max of 2A for the charger. When it comes to charging the phone, the phone will only pull enough power it can from the charger and not more.

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Now a days Car charger is so essential for us. But when we chose A Car charger for our device its not match, so it s harmful for us & its some time cases to damage our device.
Most of the time The power out put of the car its 12V or 24V. and The Charger give different out put for different device. And its a major thing about the charger whats Ampere given output. Avantek Car charger give us different option ; I think its give different out for our device. Avantek take also help auto adjust to the device. So its protect the device.
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Nazgulled said:
After looking up a bit on USB car chargers, many people seem to recommend the Scosche Dual USB Car Charger (reVOLT 12W + 12W). Each USB port outputs 2.4A of power to charge any device (there's a known issue with this charger for some non Apple devices, you should use charge-only USB for those), but our HTC One stock charger outputs only 1A.
I am afraid a fast car charger like this one will easily overheat my battery, charging it much faster than usual and degrading its lifespan. Should I worry about this or can I order this charger and not worry about it?
I'm confused because a lot of people recommend car chargers like this one (with more output power than what the stock charger of your device gives you) and no review mentions the issue I'm raising here. Is this a non-issue?
Would appreciate more information on this topic from more knowledgeable people in this area.
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Yes, fast usb car chargers may harm your device. Because if device get power more than its capacity then it would be definitely harm your costly devices. So please purchase a perfect and valuable charger for your devices long life.

Also quick note using a charger that charges your device faster will decrease the life of your battery, remember slow charging is best for the battery and that goes for all batteries

To answer conclusively as I have before:
I've had many many many phones and this is what I've learned over the years through experience and a lot of searching. Our phones are designed for whatever rating it is on the stock charger, which is 1A. However we have chargers that support more current. Which leads us into the next part.
Phones will only "pull" what is it rated for. It controls the final pressure valve in the water metaphor. In this example. Our phones are rated 1A Max @ stock kernel. "Extra power" isnt and cannot used up due to this rating. hence no extra loss except on your wallet. Fast charge raises the rating and limits vary from kernel to kernel. I've used my phone with a 2.4a charger + fast charge enabled before and its fine. Its a little warm (more on that in next paragraph) I'm on "dirty unicorns" ROM and I haven't gotten around to checking the limits
Regardless.. Whether it is detrimental to your phone battery is personal choice as having the % below 40 and heat is #1 enemy to batteries. Our batteries are designed for 5 years max anyway. If you want to play it safe, get a 1A charger and a max 6ft cable as more = less current. Make sure this cable is not from eBay or has sufficient guage size as the copper in some eBay cables can be thinner than your hair. This is important.
If you're looking for unpractical long term savings. Keep your phone room temperature within its temperature rating. Keep charge above 40%, optimally around 80% as lithium batteries degenerate when kept near 100% for too long. (See how frail our current battery designs are? There are higher battery tech our there, but due to cost none are in phones)
I've had horrible horrible power efficiency Roms before and as worst, it just stays on one % value without dropping (no fast charge, 1a charger)
Charging only cables are useless because since 4.3 kernels, android supports iPhone chargers as well.
In addition, car chargers have built in voltage regulators in them, our 12v car source can actually range from 8v to 30v depending on conditions. 8v on crank, and during cold days, 14.4 alternator running, 24v on car boosts. Most car 12v ports are unregulated and Most car chargers operate around 11-15v and give off excess power as heat. Given this, in truly exceptional cases, unless you deliberately overload the charger, we're still good as 5v from a GOOD charger are pretty stable for the phone. Monoprice sells good chargers with good electronic internals for a very good price. Bad chargers pass off this electrical noise to your phone.
TL-Dr.. no difference between 2.4a and 1a. Phone takes what it is rated for(1a). Extra isn't used. Fast charge kernels can increase this rating at a slight warming of phone. In all cases, heat / below 40% = more detrimental to battery life than current speeds. Get a good cable with good gauge size. (Copper width)
If you need further proof, google the terms I have presented or search XDA. There has been many "conclusive" posts on this matter and you'll find many of them say this same exact thing.
Phew.. What a long post.
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Thanks anyway
But if anyone knows the answer for a fact, please pitch in...
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HTC m7 can take max 1.5A but it seem to not work with many chargers, in such case it falls back to 1A.
But if youre using the phone for GPS navigation, then charging faster will just make it more hot (hot from usage + even more hot from charging) and it will stop charging anyway (because of the heat).
Also, heat is biggest enemy of batteries, the hotter it gets while charging the worse it is for the battery.

Seems to charge quicky using a Quick Charge or Samsung Adapt. Fast Charger?

I've just come over from a Samsung s8 plus that was unfortunately stolen without insurance and couldn't quite bring myself to fork out another insane price for another one. Purchased this OP5 carrier free @ my local o2 here in England (as i had a £150 voucher).
As a consequence, I have accumulated a large amount of both Quick Charge and Samsung adaptive fast chargers.
It seems that the OP5 charges very quickly on these which relieved me, I would say def on a similar level to QC 2.0 and the Samsung.
of course the Dash charge is just ridiculously quick.
i was reading that the OP5 does not support quick charge and only dash charge.
I beg to differ?

mikey_sk said:
I've just come over from a Samsung s8 plus that was unfortunately stolen without insurance and couldn't quite bring myself to fork out another insane price for another one. Purchased this OP5 carrier free @ my local o2 here in England (as i had a £150 voucher and .
As a consequence, I have accumulated a large amount of both Quick Charge and Samsung adaptive fast chargers.
It seems that the OP5 seems to charge very quickly on these which relieved me, I would say def on a similar level to QC 2.0 and the Samsung.
of course the Dash charge is just ridiculously quick.
i was reading that the OP5 does not support quick charge and only dash charge.
I beg to differ?
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I'd be hesitant to use a QC adapter with the OP5. You're taking a risk of damaging the battery, or worse, the phone. There are most likely slight difference in the charging logic between the two adapters. I'd email OP support to get more info.
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seems to work just fine, i doubt an adaptive fast charger will cause damage as it will act like a regular usb charger. will ask- cheers

Different charger wont damage anything people.
Lithium based charging system is more complicated as acid or Ni based battery, but simple.
1 rule for the power supply, it need to keep the power output the more stable as possible. So use high qality charger, samsumg are just fine. I'm using a HTC.
You can take any charger you want @ 5v. from 0A to 4A. You can use a 100A, but the phone will draw only waht it need, and the wire gauge will limit the power draw.
Let say the wire is too small, the voltage will drop, the chip will detect it and reduce the demand.
dash charging or fast charging are just brand name, the physics is the same. The power supply has a higher wattage, because the device can take it.
And the USB wire has a higher gauge compared at standard.
Use dash chager on a old phone, and you wont have any benefit if the phone draw only 700mA.
Or simply take a desk adjustable power supply, set it @ 5v4A, plug OP usb cable or any big gauge USB, and OP5 will show ''dash charging''.
Conclusion.
Depends of the voltage/amp/gauge, not the branding.
** BTW , even with cheap power bank, power supply or any supply, I really doubt it will damage anything. On my wife op3, we use any bank ( even the budwizer one), we plug it with iphone supply, 120voutlet with the usb option, dash, kindle supple, etc. annnnddd it still working juste fine. She has, ebay cable also.

Well all the stuff is in the charging brick on the dash charger. All the heat it's dealt with in the brick. That means the brick from Sammy doesn't and more heat then the phone could safely handle may do damage over time? IDK but the we all know heat kills electronics.
I use a quick charge (the one of got for my Nexus 6P) on my op5 but only at my couch so I pull it off the charger when full, don't let it sit on charge when 100%

You can let it sit on charge at 100%. Phone will disable charging anyway.

i actually think OP have stealthily allowed the qualcomm quick charge to work as it charges almost exactly as the s8 did on the sammy brick. i used a non quick charge old LG brick and that charged waaay more slowly.
honestly someone charge using a quick charge or sammy adaptive fast charge brick and tell me if im right or wrong ...

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i actually think OP have stealthily allowed the qualcomm quick charge to work as it charges almost exactly as the s8 did on the sammy brick. i used a non quick charge old LG brick and that charged waaay more slowly.
honestly someone charge using a quick charge or sammy adaptive fast charge brick and tell me if im right or wrong ...
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I only have my dash and 1 Sam qc brick rest are cheap but with dash block it obviously says dash charging, with the qc it just says charging, and with the 3rd party bricks it says charging slowly. So hope that helps

Just download an app like ampere and monitor the current using the different chargers, then you will see if it's more efficient or not.

It might charge quickly using those other chargers but the heat won't be transferred to the charger like it is with Dash charge

Likely it is QC2.. only with dash charger it will go further and faster

any 3rd party cables that are dash charge compatible?, read somewhere its based on the thickness of the wire ...

oVeRdOsE. said:
Different charger wont damage anything people.
Lithium based charging system is more complicated as acid or Ni based battery, but simple.
1 rule for the power supply, it need to keep the power output the more stable as possible. So use high qality charger, samsumg are just fine. I'm using a HTC.
You can take any charger you want @ 5v. from 0A to 4A. You can use a 100A, but the phone will draw only waht it need, and the wire gauge will limit the power draw.
Let say the wire is too small, the voltage will drop, the chip will detect it and reduce the demand.
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I agree a 100 percent with the above, you're right, people need to stop thinking high amperage kills a phone, just like all electronics: They only draw the amperage they need.
oVeRdOsE. said:
dash charging or fast charging are just brand name, the physics is the same. The power supply has a higher wattage, because the device can take it.
And the USB wire has a higher gauge compared at standard.
Use dash chager on a old phone, and you wont have any benefit if the phone draw only 700mA.
Or simply take a desk adjustable power supply, set it @ 5v4A, plug OP usb cable or any big gauge USB, and OP5 will show ''dash charging''.
Conclusion.
Depends of the voltage/amp/gauge, not the branding.
** BTW , even with cheap power bank, power supply or any supply, I really doubt it will damage anything. On my wife op3, we use any bank ( even the budwizer one), we plug it with iphone supply, 120voutlet with the usb option, dash, kindle supple, etc. annnnddd it still working juste fine. She has, ebay cable also.
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But this is just plain wrong, dash charging has nothing to do with QC quick charge. It's as different as it can be!
QC quick charge:
The brick highers the voltage to more than 10v. This way, less amps go through the cable, the the wires can remain thin.
(P=U*I) --- e.g. --- Power = Volts * Amps --- example: 5v * 2a = 10w / 10v * 2a = 20w
This way, you can have a greater power while the amps remain the same, while using a normal, thin cable.
The voltage regulator/BCM in the phone takes the voltage down to safe levels for the battery. This creates alot of heat inside the phone, which is bad for the battery.
Dash charge:
Dash charging transfers the BCM to the charger, little to no heat is generated inside the phone!
The BCM controls the flow to the battery by altering the voltage.
U = I*R --- e.g. --- I = U/R --- e.g. --- Charging amperage = Voltage / Internal resistance of battery --- e.g. --- When the voltage is pushed up, the flow into the battery gets higher.
Remember, this is all done in the power brick, so the voltage of the electricity going through the cable is lower (3-6v I would say).
This translates to a higher current (amps), So the cables have to be thicker! That's why dash charging only works with official oneplus cables (and some OPPO cables, but those are all Micro usb).
In other words, there is no way dash charging works with other powerbricks!
I hope this clears up all the misunderstanding surrounding quick charging techniques.
Cheers!

nxss4 said:
I agree a 100 percent with the above, you're right, people need to stop thinking high amperage kills a phone, just like all electronics: They only draw the amperage they need.
But this is just plain wrong, dash charging has nothing to do with QC quick charge. It's as different as it can be!
QC quick charge:
The brick highers the voltage to more than 10v. This way, less amps go through the cable, the the wires can remain thin.
(P=U*I) --- e.g. --- Power = Volts * Amps --- example: 5v * 2a = 10w / 10v * 2a = 20w
This way, you can have a greater power while the amps remain the same, while using a normal, thin cable.
The voltage regulator/BCM in the phone takes the voltage down to safe levels for the battery. This creates alot of heat inside the phone, which is bad for the battery.
Dash charge:
Dash charging transfers the BCM to the charger, little to no heat is generated inside the phone!
The BCM controls the flow to the battery by altering the voltage.
U = I*R --- e.g. --- I = U/R --- e.g. --- Charging amperage = Voltage / Internal resistance of battery --- e.g. --- When the voltage is pushed up, the flow into the battery gets higher.
Remember, this is all done in the power brick, so the voltage of the electricity going through the cable is lower (3-6v I would say).
This translates to a higher current (amps), So the cables have to be thicker! That's why dash charging only works with official oneplus cables (and some OPPO cables, but those are all Micro usb).
In other words, there is no way dash charging works with other powerbricks!
I hope this clears up all the misunderstanding surrounding quick charging techniques.
Cheers!
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yes i agree but it seems like the OP5 allows qualcomm quick charge (or some form of it) to work as ive checked and a quick charge brick charges much quicker than a regular non quick charge brick.
this seems like great news as the phone has a versatility between both techs. makes commercial sense for OP to allow QC (albeit at the same level as a S8 from my experience) to work as their dash tech limits brick and cable usage.

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yes i agree but it seems like the OP5 allows qualcomm quick charge (or some form of it) to work as ive checked and a quick charge brick charges much quicker than a regular non quick charge brick.
this seems like great news as the phone has a versatility between both techs. makes commercial sense for OP to allow QC (albeit at the same level as a S8 from my experience) to work as their dash tech limits brick and cable usage.
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Yes, you are right, it could be possible (although unlikely) that oneplus has adopted 2 fast charging protocols in the oneplus 5.
I was just saying it can't dash charge using a samsung adaptor/cable.
I you want, I can try to hijack some cable to read out the voltage when the oneplus5 is being charged with a samsung adaptor.
That would be very interesting to see !!

Can't seem to get it to charge as fast as the OP5 charger, will post ampere reading here in a bit.

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Can't seem to get it to charge as fast as the OP5 charger, will post ampere reading here in a bit.
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That's impossible, read my post above to see why

I checked the voltage while charging the OP5 with a QC charger It stays at about 5 volts, so there seems to be no QC capability in the OP5.

There is no QC functionality for the OP5. Regular charging, just draws power like a phone with neither QC or Dash. You can still get a relative fast charge from a higher output brick. (output 5v 1.2a-2a) Higher the amps, the faster the charge. Of course this is dependent upon cable quality and charge logic.