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[Q] Can I root my Note 3 AT&T?

The model number is N900A. I did get my phone through AT&T. I've heard that there are some serious problems rooting and installed roms etc through AT&T and Verizon. The Note 3 is my first Android device and I would have to say I'm in love with this phone. What I'm not in love with are all these apps and other nonsense running in my background. I hear rooting and installing different roms can solve this. I have used Clean Master from the app store to clear cache and free up RAM, but moments later these same apps open right back up. The Note 3 has 2.4GB of RAM available, correct? I haven't put much on this phone in the way of apps. I did put some music and bought one app to change the icons on my phone. When I check Clean Master, I'm always using between 1.6-1.8GB of RAM. Thinking to myself, "what is the purpose of Clean Master if all of these annoying apps just open themselves back up?"
Other thoughts would be:
How much RAM will I free up by rooting(assuming of course it's possible)and installing a fairly simple ROM to change the overall look and feel? I'm looking for simplicity. Just want something that works, doesn't eat a lot of my RAM, and isn't known for a lot of bugs/issues.
I'm hoping some of this information helps someone help me. I'm currently running 4.3. I've also researched some of the positives and negatives of rooting and installing roms. It seems worth it if I can free up some RAM and get rid of all these apps and such running in the background.

I have a Att&t and I'm rooted.....No problems 4 days or more battery life and love it!
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GalaxyNotesTx said:
I have a Att&t and I'm rooted.....No problems 4 days or more battery life and love it!
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That's great, glad to hear it. Care to point me in the direction of the method you used to do so? Would prefer a simple step by step tutorial/video. Also, are you able to run any roms/mods?

IcyRhythms said:
That's great, glad to hear it. Care to point me in the direction of the method you used to do so? Would prefer a simple step by step tutorial/video. Also, are you able to run any roms/mods?
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if you just want to keep apps from loading you can go under setting general application manager and select the app you want click it and pick turn off
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if you still want to root look in the general section on here for kingo to do custom roms go to development section and look for bootstrap make sure you read and know what you are doing before doing it you can mess up your phone

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jerrycoffman45 said:
if you just want to keep apps from loading you can go under setting general application manager and select the app you want click it and pick turn off
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It would be nice to remove them completely. There is so much pre-installed software on this phone that I can't be certain what should or shouldn't be turned off.
Just want the basics. Facebook, text, Gmail, phone calls, and the play store to work and I'm good.

IcyRhythms said:
It would be nice to remove them completely. There is so much pre-installed software on this phone that I can't be certain what should or shouldn't be turned off.
Just want the basics. Facebook, text, Gmail, phone calls, and the play store to work and I'm good.
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turning them off makes the phone think they are removed the good thing about it is it will not allow you to turn off anything critical all the att stuff can be turned off and i edited my post above

jerrycoffman45 said:
turning them off makes the phone think they are removed the good thing about it is it will not allow you to turn off anything critical all the att stuff can be turned off and i edited my post above
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Thanks again
The Kingo Root seems very simple. Think I'll do that and then maybe look into some roms.

jerrycoffman45 said:
if you just want to keep apps from loading you can go under setting general application manager and select the app you want click it and pick turn off
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if you still want to root look in the general section on here for kingo to do custom roms go to development section and look for bootstrap make sure you read and know what you are doing before doing it you can mess up your phone
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You mentioned bootstrap. I don't see bootstrap when doing a search. I only see Safestrap.

Safestrap is the method used to install custom roms...bootstrap was prolly an auto correct typo. Just follow the Safestrap method 100% and you should be good. When you pick a rom make sure you read the 1st post throughly and entirely. ..Most roms come with all the att/samsung bloat ...you will prolly still have to weed through and disable them. Good luck and have fun
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Unhived__Mind said:
Safestrap is the method used to install custom roms...bootstrap was prolly an auto correct typo. Just follow the Safestrap method 100% and you should be good. When you pick a rom make sure you read the 1st post throughly and entirely. ..Most roms come with all the att/samsung bloat ...you will prolly still have to weed through and disable them. Good luck and have fun
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Thanks for that. Do you know if CynogenMod 11 is supported on the Note 3/AT&T?

IcyRhythms said:
You mentioned bootstrap. I don't see bootstrap when doing a search. I only see Safestrap.
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thats it auto correct got me

IcyRhythms said:
Thanks for that. Do you know if CynogenMod 11 is supported on the Note 3/AT&T?
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You have not read about safestrap yet have you? You can't really flash anything to this phone but safestrap gives you sort of a work around at the cost of internal or external SD card space. As for CM11, that is a big no. Only slightly modified stock like ROMS work right now and as I said they are not truly flashed to the device. Safestrap lets you set your phone up sort of like a dual or multi boot PC. At boot up you pic which of up to four ROMS you want it to use.

Solarenemy68 said:
You have not read about safestrap yet have you? You can't really flash anything to this phone but safestrap gives you sort of a work around at the cost of internal or external SD card space. As for CM11, that is a big no. Only slightly modified stock like ROMS work right now and as I said they are not truly flashed to the device. Safestrap lets you set your phone up sort of like a dual or multi boot PC. At boot up you pic which of up to four ROMS you want it to use.
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Any word on if/when that will be a possibility?

Also, meant to ask earlier(it's also a little too late since I've already done it)does using Kingo Root disable Samsung/AT&T updates like KitKat?(still blows me away that KitKat has yet to release for this phone on AT&T)

IcyRhythms said:
The Note 3 has 2.4GB of RAM available, correct? I haven't put much on this phone in the way of apps.
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Nothing to do with RAM. RAM is where apps run. When you install an app it gets installed to storage (think of storage like the hard drive on a desktop computer).
When I check Clean Master, I'm always using between 1.6-1.8GB of RAM. Thinking to myself, "what is the purpose of Clean Master if all of these annoying apps just open themselves back up?"
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In Windows, the more free RAM you have, the better. In Android, any unused RAM is wasted RAM. As soon as you free up some RAM, Android's memory manager is going to load something in the newly freed space. RAM cleaning programs are a waste of battery, a waste of time (both yours and the computer's) and a waste of storage (the space they're stored in). Android has a great memory manager - let it do its thing.
How much RAM will I free up by rooting
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None. You'll be using storage to store su, busybox and SuperSU. Rooting has nothing to do with RAM.
installing a fairly simple ROM to change the overall look and feel?
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Install Nova Launcher. It's an app, not a ROM, so there's no warranty issue, no bricking issue and it's a welcome change from the monkey-designed TouchWiz. (The old joke that if you sat a million monkeys at a million typewriters for a million years, eventually they'd have written all of Shakespeare's works? They'd also have written TouchWiz.)
Just want something that works, doesn't eat a lot of my RAM
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The amount of RAM an app uses is determined by the app, not by the ROM or the launcher (which is the "look" of the phone when you turn it on).
and isn't known for a lot of bugs/issues.
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The stock ROM works, doesn't use that much storage (I collect apps like junkyard dogs collect fleas, and I have just a hair under 29GB of free internal storage - and a lot of junk apps I have to uninstall, because I just downloaded to help people. And as far as bugs go ... I haven't seen any in general (I had to return 2 Note 3s and one of the ones I have now, which is a refurb, may also have to go back - but that's all hardware issues). If you want looks you change launchers and lock screens. (And there's a lot you can do with the settings to make things look different.)
There's really only one reason to root - because you need (or really want) to run an app that needs root permissions.
There's really only one reason to run a different ROM - because it has features that you want that the stock ROM doesn't.
All the rest is experimentation, fun and watching geniuses (and there are a lot of them on xda) at work. But remember, rooting alone voids the warranty. ROMming not only voids the warranty, it can mess up your phone. Is it $700 worth of fun? That's for you to decide. Rooting (as long as you don't use root status to mess anything up) is safe. ROMming, not so much. Still fixable - in most cases - but the first time you're stuck in a boot loop, you'll panic longer than it takes to reflash the phone.
some of the positives and negatives of rooting and installing roms. It seems worth it if I can free up some RAM
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If you run Kit Kat you'll free up some RAM, but the official update will be out soon anyway
and get rid of all these apps and such running in the background.
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Turn them off.
People are taking molehills and making Olympus Mons out of them. There are so many much simpler solutions to so many of the "problems" people want to "solve" by rooting or changing ROMs.
Oh, I forgot one other very important reason to root, and as a child of the 60s it should have been the first one to occur to me - sticking it to the man.

Thanks for all the help to those that responded. The last reply in particular would have been very helpful had a I not jumped the gun yesterday. I rooted my phone yesterday. DIDN'T try anything else like new themes/roms. Just rooted the phone. After about an hour the phone having issues. Freezing. Apps not opening. Then, I unrooted. Haven't had a freeze since, but the phone is still doing odd things it wasn't doing before. Apps appear to be taking longer open etc...I went to send a text message about an hour ago and when I clicked on the text to begin typing the big envelope icon covered the entire screen looking very pixelated. ugh....

Root - Yes or No

I do not have root on my SM-N910F .
At this time I do not feel the need to do so.
I would like to know your opinion on this issue.
In Portugal the Knox with the value 0x1 , the equipment is not repaired under warranty.

No one can tell you to root. It is a decision you must make for yourself.
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Temetka said:
No one can tell you to root. It is a decision you must make for yourself.
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I know it's my decision to do or not .
Honestly , I think it became more a habit than a necessity for most users.

1. First reason
After many years of owning latest smartphones I know very well which application I cannot live without. So after using pathed versions - for a (long) test purpose - just bought them. So - no need to root from this point.
2. Second reason
Stock UI. Been trying many ROM's with good or bad results and realised that there are never ideal custom soft for your mobile. They caused always some kind of trouble. Maybe the reason is I'm getting older and have no time to dig into system, but lately I decided to stick to preinstalled firmware and as the only modification - to change unuseful Galaxy launcher on similar Galaxy one from Play store. So again - no root needed.
And yes - I got my Note4 rooted. There are two reasons I did this:
1. To get a possibility to add any application shortcut to the bar on the right side. I know I can jump between applications by using the task touch button on the left side but I love to use the bar on the right. Much easier for me.
2. To get access to my SD card. From this point root will be always needed I'm afraid.
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WL8789621 said:
2. To get access to my SD card. From this point root will be always needed I'm afraid.
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as far as I know Lollipop fixes the SD card Problems . Correct me if I am wrong

I'm still on Kit Kat. Was reading about SD on Lolipop and personally I think the new system SD storage improvement is dedicated to developers - not to us and our files whatever they are.
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I've rooted every android phone I have.. The note 3 took me about 8 months of non root use before I rooted to try custom ROMs.. They were great but not essential.
The note 4 running stock no root seems to be rock solid. Produces good enough performance to run anything with ease I chuck at it.. I like root apps. But deem non of them essential in my daily use of my phone. So in my opinion. This phone right now doesn't need root.
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Ive been rooting all my phones the xouple of years and tried allmost every rom. Now i have my note 4 since yesterday but i dont feel the need to root it. Its just fast the way it came with touchwiz. And for the first time i dont disturb the touchwiz it just works on this beast.
So in my opinion i shouldnt root it to make it faster.
Only thing is i cant greenify facebook becouse its a stock app. Does somebody know how i can greenify it ??

Yes
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Greenify? For battery life?
I'm gonna wait for lollipop, and then at least a few updates to that before I root.
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RoyLoy said:
I do not have root on my SM-N910F .
At this time I do not feel the need to do so.
I would like to know your opinion on this issue.
In Portugal the Knox with the value 0x1 , the equipment is not repaired under warranty.
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It depends on what you are doing with your phone. If you use mobile banking I recommend you DO NOT use root if so use as much protection as you can. With root you basically control anything - change design, control behavior of you device, control it's CPU and GPU, using different ROMs and more.
I've rooted my S4 and with awesome tools on XDA I was able to revert it and with USB jig make it totally unroot without any evidence of change.
It probably will be on Note 4 however Know could be problem.
I use root, I've SuperSU Pro and also I use Eset Antivirus. Mainly I use Xposed and fantastic X-Note ROM. Also what I love about ROOT is backup - simpy in recovery like TWRP.
Anyway it still depends on you what you wanna do with your phone. You can live without it in stock but at least Android 4.4.4. in Note 4 with Stock ROM is pretty junk on RAM.

Just a personal preference. I specifically root all my devices for two main reasons.
1 adware programs
2 hotspot
Those 2 reasons usually are the only 2 for me. The warranty thing i feel like it doesnt matter for me. I use to keep the sprint insurance on my phones and if i had a prob i could just take it and and get a replacement or repair. Sprint hasnt ever told me they wouldnt fool with my phone because it was rooted. I just bring it in with stock software and most of them dont even know what root is. I swap around phones so much now i just dropped the insurance all together because i figured i was paying 130 dollars a year with the rate increase and i wasnt benefiting from it. I hardly ever use any kind of hotspot and sprint makes u pay 20 dollars extra a month. I dont think i use it enough to justify paying that. I can go 6 months easy without using it. Its just those few and far between cases where it comes in handy.
My 2 cents
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I didn't root my Note 1 or the Sony Z Ultra but I've been looking into rooting the Note 4 due to the phone interface being far too large for the size of the phone screen, the Z Ultra was correctly scaled to suit the larger screen so it made the Note 4 feel very cramped in comparison. I've used the adb trick I found on this forum to adjust the DPI without root which largely works well, it mucks up most of the Samsung applications which is fine as they can be replaced aside from the stock camera application which is meant to get the best out of the camera. The only solution seems to be to root it and set custom application specific dpi's although I'm not finding the misaligned camera screen too much of an issue.
John

The only reason I would really love to root is :
1. xprivacy
2. Ability to use any app in multitasking mode
But still waiting on the new android

donkon said:
The only reason I would really love to root is :
1. xprivacy
2. Ability to use any app in multitasking mode
But still waiting on the new android
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How will rooting help privacy?

I was lazy about rooting my Note 4 for a while but as soon as I did I realized I should not have waited as long as I did. There is some really solid, stable, streamlined ROMs available right now. The lag on stock is not as noticeable until you've rooted and installed a custom ROM. Now I can truly say the 4 is a beast.

touchwiz has no lag on stock. turn off window transition animator in dev options in stock settings and your lag will disappear.

zurkx said:
touchwiz has no lag on stock. turn off window transition animator in dev options in stock settings and your lag will disappear.
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LOL

jlczl said:
LOL
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No...no LOL...deactivating the window animations always does help a lot to prevent lags. Afterwards everything is much more smooth. It's the first thing I always do when setting up a new phone / custom rom.

daffie said:
No...no LOL...deactivating the window animations always does help a lot to prevent lags. Afterwards everything is much more smooth. It's the first thing I always do when setting up a new phone / custom rom.
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I think that's what most knowledgeable people do when setting up a new TW phone. The LOL is because that doesn't eliminate the lag that is there. There is so much discussion about this all over, I don't really want to start it all over again here.

Got it. Now...ROOT

Just as the title implies. So far this seems to be a great phone. Picked up the 128GB White. Pre-ordered. Shipped today, but, without ROOT I'll lose some of my favorite apps, and I'm not sure that I'll be able to transfer everything, like MMS. For some reason Kies doesn't like my phone, or maybe I've hit some soft limit trying to backup 35K SMS/MMS. I have an S4, skipped the S5

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Just as the title implies. So far this seems to be a great phone. Picked up the 128GB White. Pre-ordered. Shipped today, but, without ROOT I'll lose some of my favorite apps, and I'm not sure that I'll be able to transfer everything, like MMS. For some reason Kies doesn't like my phone, or maybe I've hit some soft limit trying to backup 35K SMS/MMS. I have an S4, skipped the S5
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Good luck with root, the note 4 for AT&T hasn't gained root in the 6 months it's been released.
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2swizzle said:
Good luck with root, the note 4 for AT&T hasn't gained root in the 6 months it's been released.
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Yeah, it took a while for the 5 with a bounty. I'm guessing there's a larger community for yr phones

dirtyballoonot said:
Yeah, it took a while for the 5 with a bounty. I'm guessing there's a larger community for yr phones
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whats the serial number on the back of the AT&T phones?

dirtyballoonot said:
Just as the title implies. So far this seems to be a great phone. Picked up the 128GB White. Pre-ordered. Shipped today, but, without ROOT I'll lose some of my favorite apps, and I'm not sure that I'll be able to transfer everything, like MMS. For some reason Kies doesn't like my phone, or maybe I've hit some soft limit trying to backup 35K SMS/MMS. I have an S4, skipped the S5
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Yeah, Kies doesn't work with S6 series. Smart Switch was faster, anyway, but I do miss my root...

Morvidus said:
Yeah, Kies doesn't work with S6 series. Smart Switch was faster, anyway, but I do miss my root...
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Smart Switch took me about 6 hours, and didn't restore all of my accounts, non of the call logs, and no app data, but, it did transfer MMS/SMS, so, there's that.

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Smart Switch took me about 6 hours, and didn't restore all of my accounts, non of the call logs, and no app data, but, it did transfer MMS/SMS, so, there's that.
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Kies never worked with app data on my S4, but I used Titanium for apps anyway. With 20GB of music and video on my SD card and around 1200 SMS, it took about an hour and a half. My call logs did transfer, though.

some one should start a thread for a bounty for root. Or find geohot lol. We could use a towel root like root or exploit.

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whats the serial number on the back of the AT&T phones?
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SM-G925A

Not aloud to post anything so if you know what I'm thinking please let me know.

R1CKJ4MES said:
Not aloud to post anything so if you know what I'm thinking please let me know.
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Are you saying you have root?
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I just want root to get rid of the all the damn blotware. I disabled most of them but they still take up memory. And there is still about 5 apps the phone wont let me disable.
I also would like to change the screen DPI so that i have 5 apps across in the app drawer

krolla03 said:
I also would like to change the screen DPI so that i have 5 apps across in the app drawer
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you don't have to change the screen DPI to do this. if you mean you want 5 apps across the bottom instead of 4, simply drag a new shortcut into the bar and it will resize itself to hold 5 icons. if you're talking about the grid itself, and changing from 4x4 to 4x5 or 5x5, you can do that by holding your finger on one of the small squares (that tells you which tab you're on). it will bring up a custom menu that allows you to change the screen grid settings.
as for wanting root, i'm looking for a wi-fi tethering option. this was built into the custom ROM i had on my S3, and i'm hoping someone can do the same on the S6!

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you don't have to change the screen DPI to do this. if you mean you want 5 apps across the bottom instead of 4, simply drag a new shortcut into the bar and it will resize itself to hold 5 icons. if you're talking about the grid itself, and changing from 4x4 to 4x5 or 5x5, you can do that by holding your finger on one of the small squares (that tells you which tab you're on). it will bring up a custom menu that allows you to change the screen grid settings.
as for wanting root, i'm looking for a wi-fi tethering option. this was built into the custom ROM i had on my S3, and i'm hoping someone can do the same on the S6!
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I know about the launcher
And i already changed my home screens to 4x5. Im talking about the app drawer. Where you go to see all the rest of your apps.

krolla03 said:
I know about the launcher
And i already changed my home screens to 4x5. Im talking about the app drawer. Where you go to see all the rest of your apps.
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I use Nova Launcher prime and it has all sorts of options like that. But as far as the stock launcher goes I think you may be out of luck
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Pure+ said:
I use Nova Launcher prime and it has all sorts of options like that. But as far as the stock launcher goes I think you may be out of luck
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Yeah i used Nova on my Nexus 5. If i had root i could change the DPI to make it have 5 across.
But i may have to switch to Nova on here too.

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Yeah i used Nova on my Nexus 5. If i had root i could change the DPI to make it have 5 across.
But i may have to switch to Nova on here too.
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And it doesn't hurt that nova gets you closer to that stock feel either.
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Good luck with root, the note 4 for AT&T hasn't gained root in the 6 months it's been released.
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You will have to excuse my ignorance i'm not a big android user, just got my new s6 edge att and i have only rooted my tablet in the past to remove bloat. Can you tell me why the att model phones take so long to root?
cheers

Who knows. It only started with the S5. Before then we had zero day roots. It really stinks, because if any phone could use it the edge could. It's highly under utilized, the lack of apps you can add in ultra power saving mode is silly. FB, but no email? The bloat, etc.

I don't have much background on this, but how is it that the Tmobile and Sprint version are already rooted so quickly? I'll have to refresh my memory on the whole root process and roms but why is it that these att phones are also not rooted at quickly?

[Q] will the T-Mobile version be rootable

I've been away from android for about 2 years but the note 7 had me wanting to make a move back currently rocking the iPhone 6s+ jailbroken. And everything that I have seen about the iPhone 7 has not impressed me at all and with it looking to NOT have a headphone jack .. thats a no go for me .
Im asking if anyone has a clue if the phone will be rootable in order to be able to remove the bloat and KNOT ( I think that what its called ) security

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I've been away from android for about 2 years but the note 7 had me wanting to make a move back currently rocking the iPhone 6s+ jailbroken. And everything that I have seen about the iPhone 7 has not impressed me at all and with it looking to NOT have a headphone jack .. thats a no go for me .
Im asking if anyone has a clue if the phone will be rootable in order to be able to remove the bloat and KNOT ( I think that what its called ) security
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Well I found this http://www.rootupdate.com/2016/08/root-samsung-galaxy-note-7-without-pc.html?m=1 and it says Chainfire has a root file for it. It doesn't specify the carrier or anything but there's hope I guess

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Well I found this http://www.rootupdate.com/2016/08/root-samsung-galaxy-note-7-without-pc.html?m=1 and it says Chainfire has a root file for it. It doesn't specify the carrier or anything but there's hope I guess
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yep i hope its that easy lol

i'm going to guess the bootloader is locked like the s7 edge. hopefully it's not too long before we have a exploit to root.

CheesyNutz said:
I've been away from android for about 2 years but the note 7 had me wanting to make a move back currently rocking the iPhone 6s+ jailbroken. And everything that I have seen about the iPhone 7 has not impressed me at all and with it looking to NOT have a headphone jack .. thats a no go for me .
Im asking if anyone has a clue if the phone will be rootable in order to be able to remove the bloat and KNOT ( I think that what its called ) security
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It's called KNOX, also you don't need root to remove bloat on android 5+. Some will argue for space purposes but the system parition is just that, chances are if you simply cannot uninstall and you have to disable, then the application resides in the system parition. Deleting app in the system partion creates no more useable user space.
As far as Knox, what makes you want to remove it?

I'm waiting to see before buying

With the evolution technology and the reliance on mobile devices, Having KNOX is not as bad as it seems, the piece of mind knowing I have access to defense grade mobile security is great for a business and general security aspect. which goes far past fingerprints and basic passwords. Just my opinion....

clockedtouch said:
With the evolution technology and the reliance on mobile devices, Having KNOX is not as bad as it seems, the piece of mind knowing I have access to defense grade mobile security is great for a business and general security aspect. which goes far past fingerprints and basic passwords. Just my opinion....
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The golden question is, is there a back door to the iron gates of KNOX? On the front end it can be encrypted to the moon and back, but if there is a back door, it's pointless. Also with finger print scanners and the iris scanner. What a convenient way to capture personal data. Let the people do the work for them...brilliant.
I'm curious to hear what Dev's that know the in's and out's of the software have to say about this...The only way we'd be able to know for sure is if it was fully open source to be able to see any hidden doors and where they exist.
Just saying...
Oh and I do hope someone finds an exploit to be able to stably root.

I keep coming back to these threads day after day, fingers crossed. I can't stomack paying $900 for a device that I don't have full control over. Might as well by an iPhone with the better OS with the way Samsung is moving.
Just does not make any sense to increase the price for less functionality

Amd4life said:
I keep coming back to these threads day after day, fingers crossed. I can't stomack paying $900 for a device that I don't have full control over. Might as well by an iPhone with the better OS with the way Samsung is moving.
Just does not make any sense to increase the price for less functionality
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So what do you consider "less functionality" just curious ......

clockedtouch said:
So what do you consider "less functionality" just curious ......
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xposed installer that's one

Kind of crazy to decide to buy or not buy a phone because of an ap that doesn't even come installed on the phone. IN any event, if ROOT is found for the Note 7 - then you can install Xposed)
Chances are very high that the US Varients of the Note 7 are all going to be locked. I will be shocked if TMOBILE does not lock down the Note 7 like they did on the S7 (well if you listen to TMOBILE they say Samsung locked it - not tmobile) whatever, my bet is it is going to be locked.
In any event, the Note 7 is going to be a beast of a phone - just like the S7 Edge -BUT, not much different than the 7 Edge - a little larger - slightly better camera - S Pen of course - but otherwise, not a whole lot different - that is probably the main reason why I am struggling with whether to buy or not - I played with one at Best Buy the other day and I like the feel of Note 7 a lot - the curved screen is slightly different than the S7 Edge - but it still looks amazing - not sure what I am going to do.....we'll see....I love new toys - for that reason alone, I will probably end up getting it - but still havent made a final decision....I will NOT buy a pre-order like I have done with every other phone since the note 2 - I got burned when the S7 Edge turned out to be locked and I am not going to risk that again ...we'll find out soon enough...

Yea it sure is a toss up at this point and Samsung if you are listening, you are not doing yourself a favor for locking boot loaders. You don't have to worry about anything, because you'll still make the sales off of the majority who don't care about unlocked BL's, but one thing that you do have to understated is that although the phone enthusiasts may make up a small percentage, we are the ones who are responsible for making up the foundation of the phone customizing culture. You are on the edge and about to lower yourself into the apple territory. Don't do that.

S7 and S7 edge both not rootable?

vibrantliker said:
S7 and S7 edge both not rootable?
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They are rooted at the moment...
Sent from my Nexus 6P using XDA-Developers mobile app

Would a root for the Note 7 cause the iris / finger scanner & Pay apps to stop working or is that just for samsung pay? I ordered my Note 7 yesterday knowing that I probably won't see root for a while, but I don't know if it's worth it if root breaks some of the other functions. At least for me...

mister_propa said:
xposed installer that's one
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Xposed is hardly a reason to make the low fruit argument of it might as well be an apple if you can't root it. The fact that I can upload whatever files I want, I can OTG connect keyboards, mice, thumbdrives, expandable memory was brought back, replacement launchers, I can install apps outside of the market, disabled built in software, change what app handles your messages.
Inherently there is so much more flexibility in android. You could drop android back two version numbers and functionality still holds its own against iOS today
All that happens before root.
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coretech said:
Would a root for the Note 7 cause the iris / finger scanner & Pay apps to stop working or is that just for samsung pay? I ordered my Note 7 yesterday knowing that I probably won't see root for a while, but I don't know if it's worth it if root breaks some of the other functions. At least for me...
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If its like the Note 5 when it comes to root (if you can) then it will only kill Samsung Pay. Of course there were other devices (S5/6?) that lost finger print scanning because of the root method. We kind of just have to wait and see.

bajasur said:
They are rooted at the moment...
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I don't see any roms for them on XDA (T-Mob)

clockedtouch said:
So what do you consider "less functionality" just curious ......
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I know you weren't talking to me but in my own personal opinion "less functionality" (A.k.a. without root)
means
I cannot control the CPU frequency or GPU, or the governor.
I cannot change the boot animation
I cannot use xposed
I cannot do whatever I want
I cannot tweak what I want for better performance or battery life
I cannot have custom ROMs
I cannot be able to show off my device like "I got root!"
I cannot disable some of the bloat ware that the system does not let me disable by default
I cannot calm my "they are spying on me" by uninstalling sketchy as hell apps or useless that just drain my battery
I cannot not just be bored and test out a **** load of ROMs or Root applications
I cannot have my snapchat mods/hacks
I cannot (Before I actually got YouTube Red) use xposed to make YouTube play in the background
I cannot decompile system applications and re-write some of it or re-theme it and then put it on my phone
I cannot be nerdy and make my my device seem like a samsung s5 or whatever other device I want by changing things such as the model ID and such
I cannot change my IMEI when I don't want to call MetroPCS but I need to test a different SIM card
I cannot have Automatic call recording (Or call recording at all, on stock without root)
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And so much more but then I realized this post is going to get too long and time consuming
TL;DR:
Root is a requirement in my eyes.

vibrantliker said:
I don't see any roms for them on XDA (T-Mob)
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Andrew S.S. said:
I know you weren't talking to me but in my own personal opinion "less functionality" (A.k.a. without root)
means
I cannot control the CPU frequency or GPU, or the governor.
I cannot change the boot animation
I cannot use xposed
I cannot do whatever I want
I cannot tweak what I want for better performance or battery life
I cannot have custom ROMs
I cannot be able to show off my device like "I got root!"
I cannot disable some of the bloat ware that the system does not let me disable by default
I cannot calm my "they are spying on me" by uninstalling sketchy as hell apps or useless that just drain my battery
I cannot not just be bored and test out a **** load of ROMs or Root applications
I cannot have my snapchat mods/hacks
I cannot (Before I actually got YouTube Red) use xposed to make YouTube play in the background
I cannot decompile system applications and re-write some of it or re-theme it and then put it on my phone
I cannot be nerdy and make my my device seem like a samsung s5 or whatever other device I want by changing things such as the model ID and such
I cannot change my IMEI when I don't want to call MetroPCS but I need to test a different SIM card
I cannot have Automatic call recording (Or call recording at all, on stock without root)
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And so much more but then I realized this post is going to get too long and time consuming
TL;DR: I need root! I cannot live without it and unless you taste and eat the delicious glory(root) as much as I do, you wouldn't understand.
Root is a requirement in my eyes.
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Listing all the things you can do with root is great but my gripe is the claim of "It might as well be an iPhone" when you can't root it. Thats a very low energy argument.

Note8 Root yes/no

How many user have rooted the new device?
M.

I haven't rooted a phone in at least a couple years. No need anymore. On the Note 8, practically anything can be disabled, themes don't need root, there are amazing root-free adblockers now, and performance is killer. Why waste time tinkering with the phone when I can be enjoying it instead?

I rooted my phone. There is no adblocker like AdAway and I enjoy tinkering with it.

_MetalHead_ said:
I haven't rooted a phone in at least a couple years. No need anymore. On the Note 8, practically anything can be disabled, themes don't need root, there are amazing root-free adblockers now, and performance is killer. Why waste time tinkering with the phone when I can be enjoying it instead?
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There are many reasons for root. There always will be too.
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Moniclock said:
How many user have rooted the new device?
M.
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Depends, none in the US or with a snapdragon version. Exynos, yes, lots.

Death-Dealer said:
There are many reasons for root. There always will be too.
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I was simply answering the question as it pertains to me.

For me, no reason to root. Only reason I did was for titanium backup but it caused more issues than it was worth. I restore with samsung backup and log back in to everything to start fresh everytime. I found that rooting to restore and start with dirty app data caused unwanted results. There is not 1 thing I need root for now days
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root is MUST, I do not need a phone without it, period !!
Maybe, one day we can get root with AOSP out of the box. ohh, dreams !!
at least for now we have UK version Note 8 N950F that has unlocked bootloader, and works with multiple bands !! unfortunately it's the only version that supports everything, would be nice to have 256gb on board.
microsd cards is really garbage laggy crap, which will die on you anytime.

I had the S8+ and my version didn't have root, so I was forced to live without it.
I'll be getting my hands on the Note 8 in a couple of days, and my plan now is NOT to root it, regardless of whether root is available. The reason is because what I LOSE from root now outweighs what I gain from it.
The main thing that I lose from root? SECURE FOLDER!
This has become really valuable to me. I lost it after rooting the Note 7 so never really got to use it, but after having used it on the S8+, I don't think I'm willing to give it up.
Like others have already pointed out, the benefits of root aren't that important anymore:
- Titanium backup for restoring apps - mostly done by Samsung's restore, and my most important apps to port over with data have their own backup/restore functions anyway (ie. Wechat and Whatsapp)
- Other root apps like Greenify - Samsung already has similar functions built-in
- Backup of entire phone - can live without it
- custom roms - Samsung already has most of the stuff I wanted from custom roms anyway, like showing the battery percentage on notification bar, etc.
- Accessing root directory - oh well, too bad. Won't die without this ability.

Yes, I'm rooted, for AdAway mainly.
As others have said, most thing you needed root for you can do without root now. For me it was Call Recording and changing the DPI, both of which i could do perfectly on my N8 before rooting it.

I have rooted Note 4 but now do not see point why i need to do for note 8
1 Will trigger know and other samsung security services
2 The all point why Samsung not allowing to root is for security reason as it is all point how to secure you data
Just imagine you have rooted - Now phone stolen + it is rooted so you have open doors to you all content emails contacts etc "Im not sure if all right but if you have root you can access anything on the phone maybe im wrong?"
Im not programmer to use full potential of root if you do not know what are you doing -can make phone work slower that faster
all non system programs you can disable in app To remove samsung thing yes maybe will be good thing, but it is samsung phone so I can blame samsung because they put samsung services Just if do not want to use them do not use

_MetalHead_ said:
I haven't rooted a phone in at least a couple years. No need anymore. On the Note 8, practically anything can be disabled, themes don't need root, there are amazing root-free adblockers now, and performance is killer. Why waste time tinkering with the phone when I can be enjoying it instead?
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LOL, you know this is a DEV website right? Where people hang out to root phones, because they want to. Because they enjoy it.

If you don't root then what developer will do Lol !
Anyway, loosing Spay and secure folder is currently challenging, may be some workaround appear later. Also development is at early stage so may you can wait till you find good reason for it. By the way, rooted mine almost in no time after getting it on 21st.

Brava27 said:
LOL, you know this is a DEV website right? Where people hang out to root phones, because they want to. Because they enjoy it.
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So THAT'S why it's called "XDA developers"? In my 7 years here you would think I'd have figured that out!
Again. I answered the question as it pertains to me. I've rooted more phones than not, I just don't feel the need anymore.