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Okay so once again, another ROM has got bad after 2 weeks. FXP 349 build has got to be pretty much unsuable, the unlock button doesnt respond, and the UI crashes for a laugh now. Getting very frustrated with this phone. Its getting harder to not smash the hell out of it with a hammer.
I must be doing something wrong, but every ROM Ive used just degrades in performance to the point where I cant take how laggy it is, Ive missed phonecalls because the UI cant wake up and show the incall UI fast enough. There has to be something deep in this phone which causes bad performance.
Im moving to VanirAOSP, as it says in the title of the ROM that its fast and smooth. Lets see if it can outlast any other ROM I've tried.
Sorry for ranting, I just dont get it, is there some secret setting that everyones using and not telling about? Ive tried stock kernel with CM, williams kernel with CM, stock kernel with CrystalPA, same again with williams kernel. Art or dalvik, it seems to make no difference, no matter what, the UI will bug out. Im not moaning at the devs because I know the work they do is hard and is much appreciated. I just wish I knew why this phone cant last 2 weeks without needing to be wiped!
Every ROM gets laggy after a while. Just use some app to clear cache and thumbnails and you should be fine.
donk165 said:
Okay so once again, another ROM has got bad after 2 weeks. FXP 349 build has got to be pretty much unsuable, the unlock button doesnt respond, and the UI crashes for a laugh now. Getting very frustrated with this phone. Its getting harder to not smash the hell out of it with a hammer.
I must be doing something wrong, but every ROM Ive used just degrades in performance to the point where I cant take how laggy it is, Ive missed phonecalls because the UI cant wake up and show the incall UI fast enough. There has to be something deep in this phone which causes bad performance.
Im moving to VanirAOSP, as it says in the title of the ROM that its fast and smooth. Lets see if it can outlast any other ROM I've tried.
Sorry for ranting, I just dont get it, is there some secret setting that everyones using and not telling about? Ive tried stock kernel with CM, williams kernel with CM, stock kernel with CrystalPA, same again with williams kernel. Art or dalvik, it seems to make no difference, no matter what, the UI will bug out. Im not moaning at the devs because I know the work they do is hard and is much appreciated. I just wish I knew why this phone cant last 2 weeks without needing to be wiped!
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I have a feeling you are installing too many apps running in background at once. My phone is super smooth, fast and responsive. I just either close apps after I am done with them (kill process) or don't install trash. Deleting some in-build rom apps which you never use could also help.
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I have a feeling you are installing too many apps running in background at once. My phone is super smooth, fast and responsive. I just either close apps after I am done with them (kill process) or don't install trash. Deleting some in-build rom apps which you never use could also help.
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Well VanirAOSP has sorted out my issues for now it seems. I dont really install many apps to be honest, I use the Micro PA Gapps package and I then remove Google Now Launcher, freeze the preinstalled launcher3, install Nova launcher. I have only 17 installed apps, Facebook is the only real hog app I think, I install messenger and then freeze it to get around the Facebook app not letting me use chat within the app. I do also play Marvel Contest of Champions, and I make sure to clear all running apps before playing games. I just feel like now on this ROM, the ram is clearing properly, swiping away apps is freeing up the RAM now.
I think the difference is that this ROM is based on AOSP, whereas before, I was using CM ROM's or Crystal PA which is pretty feature rich. Ill stick with this and see if it will last. This ROM just feels noticeably faster and the UI hasnt crashed once yet, even with a theme on!
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Well VanirAOSP has sorted out my issues for now it seems. I dont really install many apps to be honest, I use the Micro PA Gapps package and I then remove Google Now Launcher, freeze the preinstalled launcher3, install Nova launcher. I have only 17 installed apps, Facebook is the only real hog app I think, I install messenger and then freeze it to get around the Facebook app not letting me use chat within the app. I do also play Marvel Contest of Champions, and I make sure to clear all running apps before playing games. I just feel like now on this ROM, the ram is clearing properly, swiping away apps is freeing up the RAM now.
I think the difference is that this ROM is based on AOSP, whereas before, I was using CM ROM's or Crystal PA which is pretty feature rich. Ill stick with this and see if it will last. This ROM just feels noticeably faster and the UI hasnt crashed once yet, even with a theme on!
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I could give you a tip about Facebook app and Messenger. There is an app that lets you chat using Facebook app, meaning you can get rid of Messenger. Google it and you will find it, I can't recall the name now.
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I could give you a tip about Facebook app and Messenger. There is an app that lets you chat using Facebook app, meaning you can get rid of Messenger. Google it and you will find it, I can't recall the name now.
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Well the way im doing it, i dont actually use messenger, its installed but frozen/disabled so it isnt used, this allows me to chat inside the facebook app but the only downside ive found is that the chat notification dont seem to be working. This was a fix I picked up while browsing the net. Ill try out this app if I can find it, the name would make it much easier to find
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Well VanirAOSP has sorted out my issues for now it seems. I dont really install many apps to be honest, I use the Micro PA Gapps package and I then remove Google Now Launcher, freeze the preinstalled launcher3, install Nova launcher. I have only 17 installed apps, Facebook is the only real hog app I think, I install messenger and then freeze it to get around the Facebook app not letting me use chat within the app. I do also play Marvel Contest of Champions, and I make sure to clear all running apps before playing games. I just feel like now on this ROM, the ram is clearing properly, swiping away apps is freeing up the RAM now.
I think the difference is that this ROM is based on AOSP, whereas before, I was using CM ROM's or Crystal PA which is pretty feature rich. Ill stick with this and see if it will last. This ROM just feels noticeably faster and the UI hasnt crashed once yet, even with a theme on!
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And? Are you still satisfied with this rom after a while?
Well the 'ROM decay' creeped back in. I tried to counter it by cleaning things up but I had a few problems, nothing was working, I tried fix permissions from ROM toolbox and then my phone stopped booting, tried hard reset with the button on the back, couldn't get into recovery, pretty much died on me. I eventually got into recovery and caches wipes and that didn't work, I tried reinstalling the ROM and gapps without losing my data, it just got stuck on the boot logo, then recovery stopped working again, I eventually got in and had to wipe data, reinstall ROM and I finally got the phone booting again.
I'm not satisfied to be honest, its frustrating that I have to wipe the phone or reflash the roms so often, never has a phone been this bad for me. I'm selling it and moving to the OnePlus One in a few weeks, this phone has been nothing but headaches.
donk165 said:
Well the 'ROM decay' creeped back in. I tried to counter it by cleaning things up but I had a few problems, nothing was working, I tried fix permissions from ROM toolbox and then my phone stopped booting, tried hard reset with the button on the back, couldn't get into recovery, pretty much died on me. I eventually got into recovery and caches wipes and that didn't work, I tried reinstalling the ROM and gapps without losing my data, it just got stuck on the boot logo, then recovery stopped working again, I eventually got in and had to wipe data, reinstall ROM and I finally got the phone booting again.
I'm not satisfied to be honest, its frustrating that I have to wipe the phone or reflash the roms so often, never has a phone been this bad for me. I'm selling it and moving to the OnePlus One in a few weeks, this phone has been nothing but headaches.
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IF you are going to stay or at least try for the last time, I suggest formatting /boot but please be careful as I dont really know what will happen if you reboot the device while /boot is empty.
As in PC, an empty boot partition will leave an inaccessible Operating System. If in phone they are the same then I guess it can be much repairable.
IF again it fails and you are still staying I suggest extreme formatting by using the PC Companion and start fresh.
These are still suggestions and I hope you will have a headache free adventures with One plus. Good luck
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IF you are going to stay or at least try for the last time, I suggest formatting /boot but please be careful as I dont really know what will happen if you reboot the device while /boot is empty.
As in PC, an empty boot partition will leave an inaccessible Operating System. If in phone they are the same then I guess it can be much repairable.
IF again it fails and you are still staying I suggest extreme formatting by using the PC Companion and start fresh.
These are still suggestions and I hope you will have a headache free adventures with One plus. Good luck
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Thanks for the advice, For me, its the lack of RAM on this phone which is my problem. After a reboot, i have about 300mb free ram, and as soon as I have more than one simple app running (or just one game), ill get a very slow UI, and I have to be very careful and patient with it or it will crash. To me, that is terrible, why would anyone think this is acceptable for a smartphone to just about be able to run an app and hold the interface together. When the System UI crashes, or the lockscreen, It frustrates me so much! The most important part of a touchscreen phone is the UI, without it, your just staring at a blank screen.
There has to be something deep in this phone (the kernel?) where its memory management is broken in someway, ive never experienced a phone be so unstable with 1GB of RAM. When I bought it, I was really hopeful it would be good, it was higher specced than my last phone, it had 4g, it had jelly bean updates coming out, and at the time, a future update to kitkat, and we had support from FXP and CM. What weve actually got is a half baked attempt at 4.3 by Sony, a cancelled 4.4 update, and weve been moved to legacy support by FXP when CM11 didnt even get to the stable point. We may have lollipop builds coming out which could be the savior for this phone, but im sick of waiting for something which might not happen. I just want to be able to rely on my phone and not spend half my screen on time waiting for something to crash and then restart.
Back on my Optimus L9, it has only 768MB ram and a lower clocked dual core CPU but that could run CM10 fine, I never ever had UI crashes, ever! I got lag from time to time, but nothing crashed. Thie SP has 100mb+ more RAM available and a higher clocked CPU but it feels so much more clunky and unstable compared to the L9, it should be the other way round. On my nexus 7 2012 which is similarly specced to the SP (apart from the tegra quad CPU) I again, had no UI crashes, I had lags, but at least things didnt crash. My friend has the Xperia L, which is lower specced than the SP and is only on 4.1, but again, he never gets UI crashes and generally, his phone can run games smoother than I can even though he has lower specs!
This phone, for me, just doesn't fit my needs. It cant really multi task how I would expect it to, and having the phone pretty much lock up if its writing to internal storage is a joke, installing an app from the play store, and not being able to bring down the notification bar to look at the progress without causing problems, to me just feels like something is seriously wrong. The lightbar was the only thing ive really liked on the phone to this day. At first, I was loving this phone, it was great, the only problem I had on 4.1 was that I couldn't play Injustice because it would close the game after a while. I thought, ill wait for software updates, hopefully Sony will fix it. Then the 4.3 updates came but they were buggy, but I held onto hope because at the time, 4.4 was in the pipeline. Then we got a few more 4.3 updates which did fix some bugs but this RAM problem was still there. So I gave up on Official software and tried out custom stuff. I've tried modified Stock ROM's where you get more features but the same inherent problems are there. Ive tried CM, but there hasnt been a stable release of 4.4 and the snapshot builds have also stopped. Vanir ROM is designed to be stable, its one of their highest priorities with their builds. And I definitely feel the difference, but this lack of RAM becomes more obvious with time, this week, I've seen my UI crash 4 times.
Ive done what you've said about fully starting fresh with PC companion Ive flashed stock FTF's and Ive done the PC companion method, Ive done that at least 5 times in the past. When I first do it, it seems like everything is okay. But without fail, after a month of use (usually less) the phone will bog down and the RAM issues return. Maybe my specific device has faulty RAM or something or maybe the storage is messed up. All I know is, this phone has not been enjoyable for me to use, lower specced phones are out performing it, and its value has plummeted in trade in stores like CEX, my old L9 that I traded into my local CEX is being sold for more money than an SP is.
Im sorry to rant but ive just had enough of this phone.
Ive got to flash the phone fully back to stock for when I sell it, so ill go back to full stock, and see if it will last.
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Thanks for the advice, For me, its the lack of RAM on this phone which is my problem. After a reboot, i have about 300mb free ram, and as soon as I have more than one simple app running (or just one game), ill get a very slow UI, and I have to be very careful and patient with it or it will crash. To me, that is terrible, why would anyone think this is acceptable for a smartphone to just about be able to run an app and hold the interface together. When the System UI crashes, or the lockscreen, It frustrates me so much! The most important part of a touchscreen phone is the UI, without it, your just staring at a blank screen.
There has to be something deep in this phone (the kernel?) where its memory management is broken in someway, ive never experienced a phone be so unstable with 1GB of RAM. When I bought it, I was really hopeful it would be good, it was higher specced than my last phone, it had 4g, it had jelly bean updates coming out, and at the time, a future update to kitkat, and we had support from FXP and CM. What weve actually got is a half baked attempt at 4.3 by Sony, a cancelled 4.4 update, and weve been moved to legacy support by FXP when CM11 didnt even get to the stable point. We may have lollipop builds coming out which could be the savior for this phone, but im sick of waiting for something which might not happen. I just want to be able to rely on my phone and not spend half my screen on time waiting for something to crash and then restart.
Back on my Optimus L9, it has only 768MB ram and a lower clocked dual core CPU but that could run CM10 fine, I never ever had UI crashes, ever! I got lag from time to time, but nothing crashed. Thie SP has 100mb+ more RAM available and a higher clocked CPU but it feels so much more clunky and unstable compared to the L9, it should be the other way round. On my nexus 7 2012 which is similarly specced to the SP (apart from the tegra quad CPU) I again, had no UI crashes, I had lags, but at least things didnt crash. My friend has the Xperia L, which is lower specced than the SP and is only on 4.1, but again, he never gets UI crashes and generally, his phone can run games smoother than I can even though he has lower specs!
This phone, for me, just doesn't fit my needs. It cant really multi task how I would expect it to, and having the phone pretty much lock up if its writing to internal storage is a joke, installing an app from the play store, and not being able to bring down the notification bar to look at the progress without causing problems, to me just feels like something is seriously wrong. The lightbar was the only thing ive really liked on the phone to this day. At first, I was loving this phone, it was great, the only problem I had on 4.1 was that I couldn't play Injustice because it would close the game after a while. I thought, ill wait for software updates, hopefully Sony will fix it. Then the 4.3 updates came but they were buggy, but I held onto hope because at the time, 4.4 was in the pipeline. Then we got a few more 4.3 updates which did fix some bugs but this RAM problem was still there. So I gave up on Official software and tried out custom stuff. I've tried modified Stock ROM's where you get more features but the same inherent problems are there. Ive tried CM, but there hasnt been a stable release of 4.4 and the snapshot builds have also stopped. Vanir ROM is designed to be stable, its one of their highest priorities with their builds. And I definitely feel the difference, but this lack of RAM becomes more obvious with time, this week, I've seen my UI crash 4 times.
Ive done what you've said about fully starting fresh with PC companion Ive flashed stock FTF's and Ive done the PC companion method, Ive done that at least 5 times in the past. When I first do it, it seems like everything is okay. But without fail, after a month of use (usually less) the phone will bog down and the RAM issues return. Maybe my specific device has faulty RAM or something or maybe the storage is messed up. All I know is, this phone has not been enjoyable for me to use, lower specced phones are out performing it, and its value has plummeted in trade in stores like CEX, my old L9 that I traded into my local CEX is being sold for more money than an SP is.
Im sorry to rant but ive just had enough of this phone.
Ive got to flash the phone fully back to stock for when I sell it, so ill go back to full stock, and see if it will last.
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Its okay and I have read all of your post
It quite saddens me that some people isnt actually having fun with their SP. Shockingly enough, my SP does not face those mentioned problems (heck most of those that appears in the forum) but some exceptions goes to Stock Rom bugs and game problems.
This is my first android phone, I actually always wanted one but i am a teenager - i dont make money. But since my dad bought me this lovely sp, I have finally gained so much knowledge about android and it somehow further strengthens my Linux knowledge.
Maybe I was just lucky. Perhaps. But who knows if something is still wrong with my phone
I understand things will get older - people will buy new phones, developer will stop developing, people who got bored of customising etc. In fact I have seen so much decline of SP since the discontinued 4.4 update.
This is my first smartphone and I love it. It has an awesome community and awesome devs, but now it is getting old. Which quite sad to me.
I am saving for Ara phone (i hope it doesnt fail like smartwatches do). Since you are quite involved with many developments (i mean you customise your phone much like others), I hope your transition to a new device is a breeze. And above all, doesn't have the bugs that SP has.
LOL, I thought I was the only one with a "faulty SP".
My XSP has the exact same problems as yours. It is very annoying to change ROMS (or wipe data) every month.
The RAM is SO BAD on my SP, even though it only have 1GB of RAM, it should be a lot better. I didn't have such problems on my Motorola Defy + as I have with the XSP.
I thank so much that we have very nice developers, always trying to improve our user exp., but for some people like me it's difficult.
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Its okay and I have read all of your post
It quite saddens me that some people isnt actually having fun with their SP. Shockingly enough, my SP does not face those mentioned problems (heck most of those that appears in the forum) but some exceptions goes to Stock Rom bugs and game problems.
This is my first android phone, I actually always wanted one but i am a teenager - i dont make money. But since my dad bought me this lovely sp, I have finally gained so much knowledge about android and it somehow further strengthens my Linux knowledge.
Maybe I was just lucky. Perhaps. But who knows if something is still wrong with my phone
I understand things will get older - people will buy new phones, developer will stop developing, people who got bored of customising etc. In fact I have seen so much decline of SP since the discontinued 4.4 update.
This is my first smartphone and I love it. It has an awesome community and awesome devs, but now it is getting old. Which quite sad to me.
I am saving for Ara phone (i hope it doesnt fail like smartwatches do). Since you are quite involved with many developments (i mean you customise your phone much like others), I hope your transition to a new device is a breeze. And above all, doesn't have the bugs that SP has.
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Well atleast you have started on a better android device than my first one. My first was a ZTE Skate and this was back in the gingerbread days. 512MB RAM, Single core CPU, barely any internal storage. Im very used to using android in a minimalist way, but the SP just takes it to a whole different level for me, i cant take it! Im glad that you arnt having all the same problems Im having. The fact that not everyone is getting the problems is a frustration because unless its a widespread problem, people wont really be pulling together to fix it because they dont understand/experience the problems. It has to be some kind of manufacturing defect, maybe certain batches of RAM/Storage chips used in the SP are defective/bad performers.
I hope the XSP continues to work well for you!
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LOL, I thought I was the only one with a "faulty SP".
My XSP has the exact same problems as yours. It is very annoying to change ROMS (or wipe data) every month.
The RAM is SO BAD on my SP, even though it only have 1GB of RAM, it should be a lot better. I didn't have such problems on my Motorola Defy + as I have with the XSP.
I thank so much that we have very nice developers, always trying to improve our user exp., but for some people like me it's difficult.
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Its a very weird problem, but its definitely RAM/Storage related.
I agree with you about the devs, I appreciate their hard work, it is great having all these ROM's to choose from when trying to solve the problems. It just seems it doesn't matter which ROM you are on, the problems will always be there. The problem must lie within the hardware or deep in the software side of things, beyond the ROM's like in the kernel or something. I dont know enough about those sides of a phone, but I can see just from using the phone, something isnt right.
It sucks that you are facing the same problems, but its nice to know im not alone in my experiences, its not just me.
If only we knew what the issue was, maybe there would be a chance to solve the issue.
I have the same problems with my phone exactly and am going to smash it with a hammer when I get a new phone. It is indeed so frustrating, I expect much more from sony!
i stopped to mess up with custom kernels, stock 207 is the best option.
Ondemand cpu governor + underclock to 1500mhz + greenify
Battery life + perfomance
My usage:
4 hours online gaming per day
+ some skype calls
Is there currently any ROM and/or Custom kernel, that doesn't suffer from the memory leak bug?
I am aware that similar questions come up on every other thread.
I also would love to try for myself. Stock KitKat and stock lollipop both suffer from the bug. On lollipop I have much more free ram, but chrome and other apps still redraw when multitasking.
Problem is, I don't want to unlock my bootloader yet, as I'm still considering giving back the phone.
Thanks in advance for any insightful advice.
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I am aware that similar questions come up on every other thread.
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Problem is, I don't want to unlock my bootloader yet, as I'm still considering giving back the phone.
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You seriously want an answer to that?
Just read "every other thread", then come to a conclusion and act accordingly. Or don't, since you don't want to unlock. Your choice.
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You seriously want an answer to that?
Just read "every other thread", then come to a conclusion and act accordingly. Or don't, since you don't want to unlock. Your choice.
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I've been reading "every other thread".
And yes, I seriously want an answer to that.
I never said, that I didn't want to unlock my bootloader, eventually I do want to unlock it. But according to your reply, I suppose you don't understand that. Nevermind.
Thanks, anyway.
Titan Prime will yield you the best results with memory, from my experience.
Besides that, all you can do is sit and wait for 5.1. And hope that it will fix the problem.
I've got a (german) XT1068, and I was on build RETDEALL 21.85-14 for the longest time (KK 4.4.4). The phone was sometimes close to unusable due to the memory issues: Almost every time I went back to my launcher (Nova) the widgets would reload (all two of them), every 5th time the whole launcher would have to be restarted. When listening to music, the player would often be killed when it's not the foreground app. This all was already with tuned settings and the like. Simply put, my Galaxy S2 was a much better phone, with better performance and multitasking (same amount of ram, but dual core only)...
I've updated to the 5.0.2 build that was (finally) released a few days ago (22.46-28). It's a world of difference. I would say the problems are either gone or at least they got the biggest of issues under control. So far I haven't had it running without a reboot for multiple days (installing xposed and associated modules tends to require reboots), but so far everything is looking perfectly fine. Widgets haven't reloaded even once, let alone the launcher. Multitasking works, even larger apps weren't killed (like reddit news, which tends to use quite a bit of ram after scrolling for a bit).
So I don't know whether it's fixed, but at the very least this is a fully-stock-option that works perfectly fine (for me), even though I'm rooted and use XPosed that is by no means necessary.
I also have the German OTA update. Everything works fine. As for the memory leak for me that is a thing of the past, was really bad in 4.4.4 and I had the same version as the above poster. Everything stopped in the background, in point of fact there was no multitasking. With 5.0.2 I can play music run a navigation app, surf the net no problem and still see over 400Mbyte free ram in setting all without the dreaded app has stopped working or seeing apps restarting.
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I also have the German OTA update. Everything works fine. As for the memory leak for me that is a thing of the past, was really bad in 4.4.4 and I had the same version as the above poster. Everything stopped in the background, in point of fact there was no multitasking. With 5.0.2 I can play music run a navigation app, surf the net no problem and still see over 400Mbyte free ram in setting all without the dreaded app has stopped working or seeing apps restarting.
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4.4.4 didn't have a memory leak, just high minfree values I think.
Lollipop does have a memory leak (and thats mostly googles fault) and the memory management is very buggy when compared to kitkat. The memory leak doesn't show instantly, it shows after some time and you can just reboot the phone to "solve the problem".
If you want a really good rom for multitasking I recommend CM 11 or some rom based on it.
4.4.4 definitely has some serious issues on the MotoG, it was not just the min free values. I had tuned those (basically tried everything), but it made no real difference. So far, LP feels like it's a different phone.
I agree. I can't understand how people would go back to KitKat after trying lollipop. Chrome and other apps still redraw when multitasking though. :\
Let's see if 5.1 fixes that.
BTW: does anyone get graphic glitches in Tapatalk and chrome? Sometimes whole areas of the screen turn glitchy, until I switch to another app or press the back key. (Glitchy= pixels in all colours, like an overheated GPU on a PC would produce.)
After 8 months google finally fix the memory leak in android lollipop. Thanks :crying::crying: Am I dreaming?
Having the memory load increasing is not, in itself, a memory leak.
The Nexus 5 comes with 2 Gb of RAM, the goal is not to have memory load below 300 mb in every case (or you can buy a 512 mb-RAM smartphone)
The leak is a bug in memory management which increase memory load without any limit, thus slowing the device and crashing it. I did not experience this under 5.1 with Franco and stock kernel.
I can confirm that franco kernel does not solve the issue. For me the issue is easily reproduced by opening farm heroes saga and swiping it away, After a couple of times the system ram goes up to 1.4gig
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I can confirm that franco kernel does not solve the issue. For me the issue is easily reproduced by opening farm heroes saga and swiping it away, After a couple of times the system ram goes up to 1.4gig
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This is kind of interesting. I wonder if the system management is to blame or apps themselves.
jlmcr87 said:
I found a solution. If you change the kernel (for example Franco kernel) all problems are solved.
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did you write about this in bug tracker ? if not plz write so they can look where need to change some thing.
and btw to be frank i'm not having any memory leak or any other buy on 5.1 and i feels everything even better than KK also battery life is as good as KK after 5.1 for me
and finally did you do factory reset After flashing factory image ? if not do it , it seems unnecessary to lot of ppl to F.reset after fresh install but it does solve many problem so do it if you didn't and remember it for every time you flash the rom :good:
Issue stared and '+1 confirmed'.
Can someone mark the bug as critical?
jineshpatel30 said:
did you write about this in bug tracker ? if not plz write so they can look where need to change some thing.
and btw to be frank i'm not having any memory leak or any other buy on 5.1 and i feels everything even better than KK also battery life is as good as KK after 5.1 for me
and finally did you do factory reset After flashing factory image ? if not do it , it seems unnecessary to lot of ppl to F.reset after fresh install but it does solve many problem so do it if you didn't and remember it for every time you flash the rom :good:
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The same problem with franco kernel, bad luck.
To recreate the problem, simply start a game like Farm Heroes Saga, then close it by swiping away. For each time I do this the system memory increases 100mb or more until there is no more space and then cell phone stops responding. Additional I noticed than when I start Farm Heroes Saga for example the free memory on ‘Show Cache Processes’ is negative as can be seen on the print I took, and there is no free memory, this problem can be recreated even in the first minute after boot simply by starting the game.
i don t know if is due to the memory leak but after 3 days (fresh factory image flash) i m facing the annoying launcher redraw and high system memory usage:780 mb with 1,2 gb of peak
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The same problem with franco kernel, bad luck.
To recreate the problem, simply start a game like Farm Heroes Saga, then close it by swiping away. For each time I do this the system memory increases 100mb or more until there is no more space and then cell phone stops responding. Additional I noticed than when I start Farm Heroes Saga for example the free memory on ‘Show Cache Processes’ is negative as can be seen on the print I took, and there is no free memory, this problem can be recreated even in the first minute after boot simply by starting the game.
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I dont want to create a seperate thread so I am asking here. Got Nexus 5 a few days ago, started reading about 5.1 update and memory leak issue. Tried to update to 5.1 but gave up(usb driver issue). Today I noticed that ram usage for apps increases and does not drop down after shutting down apps (games mainly). System ram is constantly about 300-400 but app ram got from 300 to over 600 in about 6 hours. Is this also a memory leak or maybe apps just do not completely shut down?
Memory going up does not mean there is a memory leak, it means memory no longer in use has not yet been garbage collected which is fine.
Yes, I wouldn't go purely on what the stats say in Settings > Apps > Running.
I haven't made my mind up yet - memory usage according to that screen is even higher than it was on 5.0.1 yet apps aren't killed anywhere near as often. Of course, it's early days though.
It's been said before, but sadly the new "norm" is now becoming 3GB RAM for high-end devices... and most new versions of Android are going to aimed at running best on the new handsets. I suppose that's to be expected.
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Yes, I wouldn't go purely on what the stats say in Settings > Apps > Running.
I haven't made my mind up yet - memory usage according to that screen is even higher than it was on 5.0.1 yet apps aren't killed anywhere near as often. Of course, it's early days though.
It's been said before, but sadly the new "norm" is now becoming 3GB RAM for high-end devices... and most new versions of Android are going to aimed at running best on the new handsets. I suppose that's to be expected.
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Isnt suppost Linux do same memory management with 2GB or 3GB of Ram?
Wich leads me to if KK,JB and ICS didnt had this memory leak problem how come this happens in LP?
That is one thing that I dont understand....
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Yes, I wouldn't go purely on what the stats say in Settings > Apps > Running.
I haven't made my mind up yet - memory usage according to that screen is even higher than it was on 5.0.1 yet apps aren't killed anywhere near as often. Of course, it's early days though.
It's been said before, but sadly the new "norm" is now becoming 3GB RAM for high-end devices... and most new versions of Android are going to aimed at running best on the new handsets. I suppose that's to be expected.
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Of course it is,just to force older phones users to buy new high end Android smartphones with more RAM. Now 3GB of RAM s getting standart,next year 3GB of RAM will get too little and 4GB of RAM will become a standart and so on..This is how marketing works.
My N5 (Factory Reset then Flashed Factory Image then Factory Reset) is up since 73 Hours, it uses acutally 490MB RAM for System and 898MB RAM for Apps,
in these 73 Hourse the App-Drawer was not redrawed once. I hope it will run like this for a long time.
The only thing that hasnt work, was the flashing with the Flash-All.bat.
Simonna said:
Of course it is,just to force older phones users to buy new high end Android smartphones with more RAM. Now 3GB of RAM s getting standart,next year 3GB of RAM will get too little and 4GB of RAM will become a standart and so on..This is how marketing works.
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exactly ! but ppl need to understand that what they need with phone.
i don't see any app that need more than 2GBs for ram on market plus multitasking is exceptional in N5 for me bcz i don't use tons of chatting apps who always runs and eats all resources of phone , i use heavy games and N5 still works great with highest graphics...and i bet none of Samsung or any other premium devices works with them as impressive as this 1.5yr old device still do ! so for me N5 is still more than enough
phone shouldn't be excessive better in specs than what you wants from phone. Bcz it does't make any sanse unless one have lots of money and he/she only want to waste it one way or another
I thought this was fixed at first. I picked up my phone this morning and went to check news and the whole thing was froze for like 5 seconds then starting working, but stuttering. Do I checked apps and low and behold I had about ten apps restarting, just like in the previous lollipop. Except this time I only see half my apps restarting (so far) instead of nearly all of them.
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My N5 (Factory Reset then Flashed Factory Image then Factory Reset) is up since 73 Hours, it uses acutally 490MB RAM for System and 898MB RAM for Apps,
in these 73 Hourse the App-Drawer was not redrawed once. I hope it will run like this for a long time.
The only thing that hasnt work, was the flashing with the Flash-All.bat.
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sounds like almost my case
I've read several android blogs they claim damaging, HTC, ect have fixed the memory leak in their roms (although I heard people claim this in cm12 also). Just out of curiosity can anyone confirm this is true?
I tried loading and swiping CoC 5 times and my free Ram still remains at 1200.
My battery life has definitely gotten significantly worse after 5.1. Drained over 20% in just an hour with very light usage.
I know that there was a memory leak issue with 5.02 but it's apparently fixed before the fw was deployed:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/crossdevice-dev/sony/clarification-xperia-lollipop-fix-t3087240
So that doesn't help explain my issue. Very often, when I have any combination of Spotify + Google Maps, Spotify + Chrome, Chrome + Google Maps, etc open, the app that's in the background will just flat out close. It's stupidly annoying while driving when my music just dies, or when my navigation disappears and I miss my turns because I don't hear any audible alerts. The issue goes away after a fresh restart, and will come back usually within a day or two.
I did not have this issue on 4.4.4.
My free ram hovers around 500-600MB at all times.
RAM status today
RAM Status after fresh restart
I absolutely hate why nothing can be properly backgrounded like in iOS. The moment I press the home button or switch apps, all my open tabs in Chrome have to be reloaded. Filling out forms in a Chrome tab while referencing another app is almost impossible... This was actually an issue on 4.4.4 as well as 5.02. I have not found any way to fix this, no matter how many times I restart my phone. I don't think my old Galaxy S3 had this problem...
Why does Android make us work so hard for a properly working phone, if we can even have that at all? As a consumer I should not have to go through 7 levels of technical hell to make a phone work properly. This isn't Linux.
Sorry for the rant. Anyone know what I can do to fix this? Everyone says RAM clearing apps are bad. So that's not an option right?
.726 has this problem and as far as I can recall it was pretty serious. Fortunately in .26 the problem has been solved. It's about memory management in lollipop being poor rather than memory leak.
.26 hasn't been released for D5803 USA right? I don't see it in the firmware thread
Still doesn't explain the Chrome issue. Whenever anything is backgrounded (not closed) in Chrome, all my tabs have to be reloaded. Most of the time now, even just switching from one tab to the next within Chrome while it's open forces a refresh of the tab. WTF
I never had any memory leak issues with any of the firmwares. Try to turn off Stamina mode just to see if it is affecting (I have it off, and queue background data off as well). Make sure also you have not enabled Developer Options and checked the setting 'Don't keep activities' or some other setting that limit the amount of process you can have in the background.
Dev options are not enabled. And stamina only kicks in at 50% battery. I could turn off que data but does that have anything to do with RAM?
I just called Xperia tech support and they suggested I do this:
http://talk.sonymobile.com/t5/Xperi...uctions-using-Pc-Companion-Win-or/td-p/249946
Has anyone done this and fixed the issue?
I am apparently not the only one who has had this problem:
https://www.reddit.com/r/SonyXperia/comments/356f80/z3c_502_stock_memory_leak_or_something_else/
There's an Xposed module called App Settings that lets you force the OS to keep stuff resident in memory. Because it's an Xposed module, I have no idea if it's compatible with LP or not. Also, there's a point where you can run out of memory and experience involuntary restarts if you keep too many apps resident. Still, it's worth trying, imo.
I was told that the memory leak wouldn't be fixed until 5.1 or even 5.1.1
726 did indeed have this problem. i used the xposed module for the memoryleak fix and it did indeed work...phone was much faster.
People are saying sony phones do not have the leak but the leak affects each phone in slightly different ways.
I the new .28 USA firmware running on my phone now and it is working rather well. granted i still have the lollipop memory fix module activated but i will do some testing with it off as well.
Nope, the problem is not solved in any lollipop firmware, atleast for me. I tried all the latest, reflash and wiped all (Included Internal Data) and the problem still here. Is Ridiculous how with 2GB RAM I can´t have atleast 4 apps opened without the preocupation of they get killed for itself. I remember with my Nexus 7 Tablet in Android 4.3 had a looot of apps opened and no one get killed itself, it was a great multitask experience that I can't get yet in Xperia Z3 Compact. I tried edit minfree values, uninstall apps, change firmwares, edit services.jar, install tweaks, edit my build.prop, etc. Also I noticed with the Task Manager of System Tuner app that "/system/bin/mediaserver" is always eating more than 60mb of Ram, this is since kitkat and continues to happen in Lollipop, after of some hours, this same process can take up to 160 - 200 mb of RAM!!! The worst thing is that in other devices this process don't seems to take a lot of Ram as in Z3 Compact did. Idk, it would be good that we can improve multitask in this device.
I compared the /system/bin/mediaserver usage with a Samsung Galaxy S4 Mini and it only takes 5 mb of RAM while in Xperia Z3 Compact it always start eating 50 mb of RAM and it increases up to 160 - 200 mb in some hours. You can see my proofs here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=60569610&postcount=9
So Idk what to do now, I hear that the only good devices that take importance in multitasking are HTC M9 (M8 and M7 too) and the Asus Zenphone because they merged their own patches to ART to improve a lot how multitasking is managed in android. I think sony do their devices to kill apps very agressive, so in this way they can presume that his device is more smooth than others but useless for multitasking. Weird...
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Nope, the problem is not solved in any lollipop firmware, atleast for me. I tried all the latest, reflash and wiped all (Included Internal Data) and the problem still here. Is Ridiculous how with 2GB RAM I can´t have atleast 4 apps opened without the preocupation of they get killed for itself. I remember with my Nexus 7 Tablet in Android 4.3 had a looot of apps opened and no one get killed itself, it was a great multitask experience that I can't get yet in Xperia Z3 Compact. I tried edit minfree values, uninstall apps, change firmwares, edit services.jar, install tweaks, edit my build.prop, etc. Also I noticed with the Task Manager of System Tuner app that "/system/bin/mediaserver" is always eating more than 60mb of Ram, this is since kitkat and continues to happen in Lollipop, after of some hours, this same process can take up to 160 - 200 mb of RAM!!! The worst thing is that in other devices this process don't seems to take a lot of Ram as in Z3 Compact did. Idk, it would be good that we can improve multitask in this device.
I compared the /system/bin/mediaserver usage with a Samsung Galaxy S4 Mini and it only takes 5 mb of RAM while in Xperia Z3 Compact it always start eating 50 mb of RAM and it increases up to 160 - 200 mb in some hours. You can see my proofs here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=60569610&postcount=9
So Idk what to do now, I hear that the only good devices that take importance in multitasking are HTC M9 (M8 and M7 too) and the Asus Zenphone because they merged their own patches to ART to improve a lot how multitasking is managed in android. I think sony do their devices to kill apps very agressive, so in this way they can presume that his device is more smooth than others but useless for multitasking. Weird...
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Hmmm, idk. My GPE m8 on 5.1 is experiencing these same symptoms. Super annoying to have my music cut out in the middle of a workout. ?
I play with my food
I referring to HTC M7, M8 and M9 with Sense, because they get own HTC patches. Well, is what I hear, and also I see some tests in YouTube and the multitask is very good.
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726 did indeed have this problem. i used the xposed module for the memoryleak fix and it did indeed work...phone was much faster.
People are saying sony phones do not have the leak but the leak affects each phone in slightly different ways.
I the new .28 USA firmware running on my phone now and it is working rather well. granted i still have the lollipop memory fix module activated but i will do some testing with it off as well.
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Any feedback on how .28 is running compared to .726 with the xposed fix?
Like many, I uninstalled the fix after I read the thread pointing out that having it active was pointless as Sony had already fixed the memory leak themselves, but after reading your reply, I decided to reinstall and sure enough, my phone does seem snappier. Having read the changelog for .28, it didn't seem worth upgrading unless performance was noticeably better.
I will tell you im enjoying .28 with the fix running. There are enough fixes in there to make it worth it i think
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No issues on 23.1.A.0.726 here, I have averagely 250 MB more free RAM on Lollipop than on Kitkat, with all the same apps installed. :good:
Guys, the problem is not how many ram do you have, the problem is if you can multitask some apps without someone get killed. I can multitask within 2 or 3 apps sometimes, but I can't get more than that without someone gets killed...
It was to be expected that Lollipop in Sony devices would be problematic. For the time being, I prefer to stay in KitKat and then make the jump to 5.0.2.
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It was to be expected that Lollipop in Sony devices would be problematic. For the time being, I prefer to stay in KitKat and then make the jump to 5.0.2.
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Lollipop on Xperia started off at 5.0.2
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Lollipop on Xperia started off at 5.0.2
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And nobody said otherwise. I said that I prefer staying in KitKat until the Lollipop update is better to making worth the jump
I am still rocking a Samsung galaxy note 2. It isn't as fast as the oneplus 3t(obviously) but it seems to fair rather well. When it comes to simple operations.
What I mean is the oneplus 3t is benchmarking at 10-15x the performance, yet things like boot time are only 75% faster. Or 4x. I would imagine a boot time of around 10 seconds. Not 30 etc...
Anyone know what areas are phones bottlenecking at these days?
Note: I am running cm13 6.0.1 which is comparable to oxygen os currently on the oneplus 3t
A lof of different things for different usage patterns.
Main bottleneck I think today is storage. Processors are beyond what a daily user needs. GPU might be the culprit for gaming.
Booting times might be influenced also by encryption. Let's say a phone which doesnt have it can boot a lot faster, but it's less safe and so on.
Doing the math. I have a feeling CPU is the bottleneck for boot times.
I can't find a reason to encrypt my whole device. Could you explain why it isn't safe?
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Doing the math. I have a feeling CPU is the bottleneck for boot times.
I can't find a reason to encrypt my whole device. Could you explain why it isn't safe?
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Coding and bugs might be a huge one. One poorly coded app or chunk of the OS can kill things for everything else, create wakelocks that aren't granted, etc. I doubt if encryption hurts any gizmo with the hardware support to handle it. File Systems, the hardware & software are huge bottlenecks. F2FS is very fast at certain things (writes) , but other filesystems do reads better. A Snapdragon 821 is plenty of power for pretty much anything. (unless you're a benchmark freak since benchmarks are designed to bring things to their knees). Really bad social networking apps like FB & TW & Inst (well, all of them) are terrible for everything (unless you like them and are willing to get 4000 notifications/s from make believe friends). Having 7 simultaneous power-saving apps running can cause slowdowns. Big ugly damned widgets that take up 5 launcher screens are problematic.
Mostly however, I feel that bottles and bottle caps are the largest creators of bottlenecks. (I hope I didn't actually write that). ;
I get that too many apps slow it down. I have minimized most my apps. And agree on social media issues. Etc... I'm pretty well versed on what to keep uninstalled etc... My question more so is how does a phone that is 10-15x faster still only boots about twice as fast?
Actually a great example is this video. Sure the apps load faster. And these aren't 100% fair comparisons. But I mean boot time hasn't improved. https://youtu.be/0ya8cdAfh8A
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I get that too many apps slow it down. I have minimized most my apps. And agree on social media issues. Etc... I'm pretty well versed on what to keep uninstalled etc... My question more so is how does a phone that is 10-15x faster still only boots about twice as fast?
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It's really a good question. One thing I've noticed over successive versions of Android is how many background apps are started during boot. By the time boot is just completed , there are about 160 apps running , ~90% of them that I can't intuit any reason for having started, and those apps all require similar resources.
I've got a loaded up old 2013 moto x running 4.4.2 that boots in about 10 seconds, a galaxy alpha with about 1/10th the power of the OP3t that boots 4 times as fast, and the 3t that takes about a minute to get to a usable screen. When I get there, (I'm rooted), I'm watching tons of notifications from apps that I don't use at all, ever, that are shooting off for about another minute. I'm beginning to think that the newer the OS , the more security of any sort from SELinux to encryption, the more gratuitous apps that're kicked off, the longer we wait.
Even my first or second boot prior to any software or additions by me, were pretty slow for such an amazing hunk of nice components. Sometime's I'm completely baffled by the way apps like Play Store work, and how many resources and wakelocks appear to be involved and they're always running.
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Actually a great example is this video. Sure the apps load faster. And these aren't 100% fair comparisons. But I mean boot time hasn't improved. https://youtu.be/0ya8cdAfh8A
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Good video ! . And on top of the obvious amount of time to see a booted phone, those phones are all really busy in the background, to the point of not being able to be useful for another minute after you see it looks booted. I love that the note 7 took longer than the rest. Thanks for posting that.
It's when pure a AOSP ROM is well optimised, it will boot insanely quick without Gapps etc. But it's like most os from a cold boot there are many more boot checks, rechecks and processes that need to happen. This is a useful website https://community.nxp.com/docs/DOC-102546