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Would anyone be willing to run some tests for me please, I am interested in seeing what this device is like but cannot get my hands on one! The claims made earlier on were that the processor in these phones has 3x the graphics processing capabilities as the snapdragon... is this true? do you notice improvement? using divxrockplayer demo player are you able to run 720p mkv (i currently get 7 fps without reencoding for device on my incredible so im curious what that difference is) also what are bench scores from gl bench or Neocore and also mabey even try out some of the bench tests from here...http://www.typhon4android.org/androidbugs/droid2dtest-21/
these devices are really impressive from what ive seen but I cant believe the ARM Cortex A8 1GHz processor is THAT much better....
and to all of you who look at this and have a galaxy right now, im jealous u get to play with it lol.... thanks for any info you can provide
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Would anyone be willing to run some tests for me please, I am interested in seeing what this device is like but cannot get my hands on one! The claims made earlier on were that the processor in these phones has 3x the graphics processing capabilities as the snapdragon... is this true? do you notice improvement? using divxrockplayer demo player are you able to run 720p mkv (i currently get 7 fps without reencoding for device on my incredible so im curious what that difference is) also what are bench scores from gl bench or Neocore and also mabey even try out some of the bench tests from here...http://www.typhon4android.org/androidbugs/droid2dtest-21/
these devices are really impressive from what ive seen but I cant believe the ARM Cortex A8 1GHz processor is THAT much better....
and to all of you who look at this and have a galaxy right now, im jealous u get to play with it lol.... thanks for any info you can provide
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my Neocore result is 53.5
I suggest that before you post a new topic, please try to search & read other threads first.
You asked about 720p MKVs directly downloaded from the net, yes, the Galaxy S can play MOST of them, we experience problems with variable fps.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=700644
Engadget has the first update:
http://www.engadget.com/2012/11/12/nexus-4-and-nexus-10-android-4-2-final-update-adds-lock-screen-w/
Doesn't look like much has changed that much so far...
Anandtech's review:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6440/google-nexus-4-review
Battery still meh if you are a heavy user, and benchmarks still affected by thermal throttling...it's hard to get a proper gauge though because the devices that the N4 is compared to change from graph to graph...I wish there was a consistent comparison with the LG Optimus G
+ve about the build quality and apparently it has been dropped a few times without issues...so could be not bad depending on how it's dropped. Running stock android is also another +
Will update thread with more links as they are posted.
Performance is good enough omg. We want better battery life. But once I have Cm10.1 on my N4 I'll uc the cpu so I have better battery life.
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There were so many posts, that low benchmark scores where because of not final software....
they were all wrong
I bet camera photo and video is still **** @ 9mbps 22FPS
Raw hardware specs do not simply cease to 'exist' because software benchmarks show certain numbers.
We know the specs of the device, the hardware in it is more powerful than the majority of the phones out there, calling this OTA conclusive is still flawed.
Wait a while, or have fun joining in on the XDA arguing that I see as still pointless. The HTC One X forums taught me a lot about benchmarks...
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Raw hardware specs do not simply cease to 'exist' because software benchmarks show certain numbers.
We know the specs of the device, the hardware in it is more powerful than the majority of the phones out there, calling this OTA conclusive is still flawed.
Wait a while, or have fun joining in on the XDA arguing that I see as still pointless. The HTC One X forums taught me a lot about benchmarks...
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The problem we're having is with the battery life, not the benchmarks. It's been proven that the poorer benchmark results are due to the CPU overheating and throttling down - which in turn gives it poor battery life - 5 hours video playback vs 8 hours on the Optimus G.
That's why people are dying over the new benchmark results, to see if it still throttles down or not.
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Engadget has the first update:
http://www.engadget.com/2012/11/12/nexus-4-and-nexus-10-android-4-2-final-update-adds-lock-screen-w/
Doesn't look like much has changed that much so far...
Will update thread with more links as they are posted.
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Still sucks ...
I think I will hold my purchase till got clarification what's the true story about this under-performed S4 pro compare to LG G9.
My GNex is still more than capable anyway.
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The problem we're having is with the battery life, not the benchmarks. It's been proven that the poorer benchmark results are due to the CPU overheating and throttling down - which in turn gives it poor battery life - 5 hours video playback vs 8 hours on the Optimus G.
That's why people are dying over the new benchmark results, to see if it still throttles down or not.
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Agreed. Call it early indicator if you will. If the benchmarks shows abnormal activities compared to sibling LG Optimus G than we have a problem. It also possible that Engadget's N4 has thermal problems like Anandtech but they didn't put in the fridge to proved thermal problems since both websites early benchmarks are equally crap compared to The Verge.
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The problem we're having is with the battery life, not the benchmarks. It's been proven that the poorer benchmark results are due to the CPU overheating and throttling down - which in turn gives it poor battery life - 5 hours video playback vs 8 hours on the Optimus G.
That's why people are dying over the new benchmark results, to see if it still throttles down or not.
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I hear what you're saying, but no other phone runs 4.2 from Google does it? I'd wait till later this week when we have many rooted devices, custom ROMS/kernels and what not.
The software HTC shipped the One X running on was an unoptimized mess (which also had heat issues).
The people storming around shouting conclusive and saying the phone has hardware issues only serve to make people fearful at this stage where it is too early to be conclusive of any hardware issues. Software issues will be aplenty on a launch of new hardware.
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Raw hardware specs do not simply cease to 'exist' because software benchmarks show certain numbers.
We know the specs of the device, the hardware in it is more powerful than the majority of the phones out there, calling this OTA conclusive is still flawed.
Wait a while, or have fun joining in on the XDA arguing that I see as still pointless. The HTC One X forums taught me a lot about benchmarks...
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But there is a problem if the performance in benchmarks does not add up to what the 'specs' say.
It's like building two identical computers, put one in a different case...one running windows vista and say one running windows 8...
If the hardware is identical, the benchmarks should be VERY similar, if not there is something wrong with the build, hardware, drivers, software etc...and it is not working to it's potential.
This is quite alarming. Agreed with everyone that something is wrong. That's a huge difference: 4984 vs 7628. This might potentially make me wait to see if this some kind of bug. I mean in all seriousness, if I have the same hardware I would like it to perform the same. Google won't admit any wrong doing here either....that's good for ya. Let's hope they see the issue and try to find a fix.
Ugh. What a way to start my day....
new 3,4 kernel guys...give to google some times to fix that.
Well I just ordered one because I'm not really bothered by benchmarks. This is the first phone running on 4.2 and it's powerful enough as it is.
One thing I will point out is (from what I've seen) the N4 beats the Optimus G consistently in Geekbench 2 posting scores of over 2000. We need to ignore the browser benchmarks as chrome is not as well optimised as the old stock browser on Android.
We need to wait and see how the phone matures in time, I don't think there is a hardware issue here everyone is panicking over 2 phones that don't quite match each other...I know if my N4 goes wrong due to some unknown issue I know I can get a new one sent to me from Play so it's not really something that is going to bothering me.
Anyway, who buys their phone on benchmarks?! Are you benching it 24/7? No, so what's the need for you to see how a phone performs in tasks that you would never ever ask it to do in real world situations...
Came across this site:
lwn.net/Articles/524631/rss
(Guess I can't post direct links for now)
Can anyone explain what this CPU isolation actually means and how it translates to actual performance and benchmark scores?
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Well I just ordered one because I'm not really bothered by benchmarks. This is the first phone running on 4.2 and it's powerful enough as it is.
One thing I will point out is (from what I've seen) the N4 beats the Optimus G consistently in Geekbench 2 posting scores of over 2000. We need to ignore the browser benchmarks as chrome is not as well optimised as the old stock browser on Android.
We need to wait and see how the phone matures in time, I don't think there is a hardware issue here everyone is panicking over 2 phones that don't quite match each other...I know if my N4 goes wrong due to some unknown issue I know I can get a new one sent to me from Play so it's not really something that is going to bothering me.
Anyway, who buys their phone on benchmarks?! Are you benching it 24/7? No, so what's the need for you to see how a phone performs in tasks that you would never ever ask it to do in real world situations...
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Not the benchmark score itself, but the "battery life" ... N4 is worse compared to LG OG, 5 hours video run-down vs 8 hours.
That's what worries me ...
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There were so many posts, that low benchmark scores where because of not final software....
they were all wrong
I bet camera photo and video is still **** @ 9mbps 22FPS
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And we are still not at final software. It will be multiple OTAs before we are at final software.
So, there's that.
I believe its a kernel problem. And also, why are you all comparing a jellybean ROM with a new kernel with an ICS one? That's not a really fair comparison in my eyes. That's just my opinion though
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gogol said:
Not the benchmark score itself, but the "battery life" ... N4 is worse compared to LG OG, 5 hours video run-down vs 8 hours.
That's what worries me ...
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ips vs amoled
people hate on amoled but I'll take the battery life..
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ips vs amoled
people hate on amoled but I'll take the battery life..
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Doesn't the Optimus G have same screen as N4?
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I believe its a kernel problem. And also, why are you all comparing a jellybean ROM with a new kernel with an ICS one? That's not a really fair comparison in my eyes. That's just my opinion though
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More of a fact than an opinion :good:
I thought Optimus G has a IPS screen. Same one in the N4
Are any in depth Galaxy Note 4 benchmarks. We all saw early benchmarks on GSM Arena, but I haven't found any Antutu, Geekbench, or Quadrant scores, to name a few. I know that benchmarks aren't everything, but as a Note 3 owner I'm excited to see performance enhancements brought to us by the Snapdragon 805 with the Adreno 420.
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Are any in depth Galaxy Note 4 benchmarks. We all saw early benchmarks on GSM Arena, but I haven't found any Antutu, Geekbench, or Quadrant scores, to name a few. I know that benchmarks aren't everything, but as a Note 3 owner I'm excited to see performance enhancements brought to us by the Snapdragon 805 with the Adreno 420.
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Better to wait for the actual reviews, as benchmarks and performance can still be tweaked for the final software version.
Knowing Samsung the first firmware might be a bit laggy. I remember worrying about Note 10.1 because in reviews it was slow as hell - first update fixed all that.
That makes sense. The Korean model will be released relatively soon, so I expect some more info. I'm almost certain that the software the showroom floor was fully optimized.
As for the Note 10.1 2014, I still have mine and can confirm that it has gotten better with every update. I'm running Hyperdrive, and it runs as smooth as butter. The benchmarks reflect that as well, with numbers only slightly lower than my Note 3.
http://iphone.appleinsider.com/arti...r-graphics-performance-vs-apple-iphone-6-plus
I have see a Note 4 running GTA on YouTube,, and it was lagging badly..
Yes gpu delivers lower performance than iphone 6 but its not poor .both gpus have same power but 2k lowers note 4 performance but its still more powerful than ipad air which has lower res.
And the video u saw on youtube is quallcom version of note 4 and adreno gpu s always lagged on gta games on high setting due to lack of optimzation.
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http://iphone.appleinsider.com/arti...r-graphics-performance-vs-apple-iphone-6-plus
I have see a Note 4 running GTA on YouTube,, and it was lagging badly..
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So because it doesn't do well in one benchmark the GPU is somehow worthless? :silly: According to apple insider apparently the Geforce GTX 660TI is faster than an AMD 290X. That's some quality reporting right there.
Well I'm no expert but look up GTA Note 4 on YouTube, looks terribly laggy.
I'm hoping to get a Note 4 - but not if it can't perform..
Outside of that being Apple dedicated website, running just one benchmark and writing nonsense (they start writing about Note 4, then post preliminary??? cost analysis of GS 4???? from 1.5 yr ago, WTF) I'm not sure if it's propaganda or somebody overdose on something or maybe forgot his medication
I think both.
Not optimized. Performance WILL be fine on other games. Don't worry.
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Well I'm no expert but look up GTA Note 4 on YouTube, looks terribly laggy.
I'm hoping to get a Note 4 - but not if it can't perform..
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It's not lag. The camera just has a really low fps. Look at his other videos and even his hand moving looks like it "lags". It's just the camera don't worry.
You will be able to play most games, just not at the maximum settings, these tests are much more intensive than the mobile games, to the people talking about the screen resolution, there is also an offscreen test which doesn't care about the resolution and the scores are still lower.
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You will be able to play most games, just not at the maximum settings, these tests are much more intensive than the mobile games, to the people talking about the screen resolution, there is also an offscreen test which doesn't care about the resolution and the scores are still lower.
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offscreen tests care about res just not screen res. all offscreen tests done in 1080p and a8 gpu and note 4 gets around 17 fps on offscreen tests. and both higher than my ipad air and i can play everything at full without a stutter i dont think there will be any problem.
Oh no.. a poorly optimized game isn't as fast as it is on an iPhone. Oh jeez it MUST perform awful.. right?
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Oh, cmon guys, little reality check: Note 4 is one of, if not the fastest phone on the market ATM. If it can not play the games properly, nothing else can. In most benchmarks Exynos is as fast or faster than Snapdragon. There is something about this particular benchmark that makes Exynos run poorly, that's why it was picked for this article. And how come no Note4 Snapdragon version? Maybe because Snapdragon doesn't have the issue? The most opinionated bunch of crap I read in a long while.
So I was kinda worried when reading benchmark reviews of the note 4. They would show that the iPhone 6's gpu was superior and to prove that they used GFX bench.
Sure after trying it myself I noticed something pretty obvious.
They are comparing the note 4's 2k res against the 720p res of the iPhone 6.
When you look at the note 4's offscreen performance it's better or equal.
I made a screen show to show you all.
Anyone else want to show their results?
Its not misLeading at all onscreen and offscreen tests 2 different things. And onscreen is more important cuz shows real world performance(if games support 2k ofc)
Biggest misleading information was when all reviews done benchmarks werent updated to support new iphone resolutions. All was running on 640p which was 5s res.
They published reviews with 18 fps ofscreen and 30 fps onscreen for 6 plus and didnt even think about what was wrong . Both score should be same cuz both tests done in 1080p for 6 plus. Even reviews said "apple did a great job with 6 plus. While having higher res screen it still beat iphone 6 in onscreen tests." It was totaly wrong and misleading stuff.
Now all benchmarks updated to support new screens and all gpu benchmark scores lowered iphone 6 has like 40% better performance in onscreen than 6 plus. But they just didnt update their reviews and still has wrong information for people. And still comparing new phones with wrong scores from iphones.
I don't know why people are so obsessed with benchmarks. I would never buy a phone because it is faster in some worthless synthetic benchmark
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I don't know why people are so obsessed with benchmarks. I would never buy a phone because it is faster in some worthless synthetic benchmark
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Benchmarking gives a user an idea if their system is running normally. We do it with our pc's all the time. The note 4 has new hardware compared to the note 3. The new gpu adreno 420 has also a new architecture.
My point of the post isn't about the note performing low or anything but simply pointing out the lies about the iPhone being better when they obviously didn't point out that the note 4 is running 2k res vs the 1080p from the iPhone 6+. Even the s5 plus with the same hardware as the note 4 has higher scores because of its lower res.
Either way don't look at benchmarks to say your device is top dog but also don't Base your judgement on a device from inappropriate testing.
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Benchmarking gives a user an idea if their system is running normally. We do it with our pc's all the time. The note 4 has new hardware compared to the note 3. The new gpu adreno 420 has also a new architecture.
My point of the post isn't about the note performing low or anything but simply pointing out the lies about the iPhone being better when they obviously didn't point out that the note 4 is running 2k res vs the 1080p from the iPhone 6+. Even the s5 plus with the same hardware as the note 4 has higher scores because of its lower res.
Either way don't look at benchmarks to say your device is top dog but also don't Base your judgement on a device from inappropriate testing.
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When comparing PCs, they're (almost) always using the same CPU architecture and operating system. It's kind of a difficult comparison on phones, since they're often nothing alike.
I also don't understand why it's so important it's better than the iPhone. It's like if it's worse than the iPhone, it's utter ****. Which is not the case.
3D Benchmarking on phones/tables is pointless when comparing to other devises 9 times out of 10 the screen res is not same and they never take this into factor.
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When comparing PCs, they're (almost) always using the same CPU architecture and operating system. It's kind of a difficult comparison on phones, since they're often nothing alike. .
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You clearly don't benchmark on PC
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Benchmarking gives a user an idea if their system is running normally. We do it with our pc's all the time. .
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Yea but on PC we have option to set a fixed res to compare hardware.
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3D Benchmarking on phones/tables is pointless when comparing to other devises 9 times out of 10 the screen res is not same and they never take this into factor.
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Yea but on PC we have option to set a fixed res to compare hardware.
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Do you often see benchmarks with 2 completely different types of RAM, GPU, CPU, OS and monitor resolution when doing HW comparisons?
Does your Note 4 perform how YOU want it to perform? If so, then who cares about benchmarks? This benchmark obsession has gotten completely out of control. I never run them, I benchmark my phones myself and decide if it's running to MY liking.
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Does your Note 4 perform how YOU want it to perform? If so, then who cares about benchmarks? This benchmark obsession has gotten completely out of control. I never run them, I benchmark my phones myself and decide if it's running to MY liking.
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I completely agree. Benchmarks are a good as an indication of your device's performance. Nothing more. The software "feeling" is just as important for the overall experience, and it can't be measured as easily.
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I completely agree. Benchmarks are a good as an indication of your device's performance. Nothing more. The software "feeling" is just as important for the overall experience, and it can't be measured as easily.
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Yeah exactly. It's almost like letting an app decide if the food you just ate tasted good or not. Just judge it for yourself, screw all these synthetic benchmarks lol.
Benchmarks are only useful to find out performance differences, not which is the best or the better, like when you OC your phone.
From personal experience, benchmarks resulted as fake, because my own device was outperforming the one in their list or table not slightly, but 10 to 20%.
I am talking about Antutu benchmark.
I had the same issue wtih Quadrant.
I didnt bother anymore because I didnt want to stress test my phone any longer.
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Do you often see benchmarks with 2 completely different types of RAM, GPU, CPU, OS and monitor resolution when doing HW comparisons?
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All the time people who generally benchmark build their own system .
You almost never see the same exact specs.
And when gpu benchmarking involved rules are set to run x resolution to get accurate comparison when comparing
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Not all games run native 2k. Hi quality 3d games will most likely upscale a 1080p to 2k on your phone. Don't worry about it. This monster is fast even at 2k.
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All the time people who generally benchmark build their own system .
You almost never see the same exact specs.
And when gpu benchmarking involved rules are set to run x resolution to get accurate comparison when comparing
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Ok so here is the scenario for the pc, lets say you have the same mobo, gpu, cpu, ram and etc. You benchmark your completely new system and notice its not performing as well. Would using a benchmark then be helpful? YES
Second our devices share common specs with other devices. Galaxy s5 and Xperia z3, Note 4 and Nexus 6. These systems also produce different benchmarks. Of you own a Nexus 5 you will notice it doesnt play everything the same as the note 3. The note 3 was faster and smoother than the nexus 5. i would know I had both. I was so mad when I gave up my note 3. The nexus 5 ran poorly on benchmarks and would throttle instantly. I actually had to put it in the freezer for it come atleast close to the performance of the Note 3.
For me its really saying my note 4 is better than yours or your nexus 6 but it does suggest that I might get performance getting the note 4 over the G3