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Alright, I am pretty well versed in the building of computers and such....and I figured it might be time to try a tablet....I mean, at least explore the options. And I thought it would be a huge challenge....and I saw that one Carbon Tablet that was coming out before the Ipod some guy built...and I've toyed around with Carbon Fiber body stuff before I thought this would be a fun project.
I have decided that theoretically it would be best to build this tablet to run on Android so that it could be upgraded to Honeycomb.
What exactly should I be looking for to run this thing? I'm thinking Capacitive screen probably, I assume Tablets run on SSD's, what type of processor etc?
I am sorry if this is the wrong forum, but I figured if anyone knows what it takes to run Android well....it's these guys.
Thanks!!
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Alright, I am pretty well versed in the building of computers and such....and I figured it might be time to try a tablet....I mean, at least explore the options. And I thought it would be a huge challenge....and I saw that one Carbon Tablet that was coming out before the Ipod some guy built...and I've toyed around with Carbon Fiber body stuff before I thought this would be a fun project.
I have decided that theoretically it would be best to build this tablet to run on Android so that it could be upgraded to Honeycomb.
What exactly should I be looking for to run this thing? I'm thinking Capacitive screen probably, I assume Tablets run on SSD's, what type of processor etc?
I am sorry if this is the wrong forum, but I figured if anyone knows what it takes to run Android well....it's these guys.
Thanks!!
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well, id have no idea how to make a tablet... but i know that they run on ARM processors, which are most of the time 'texas instrument OMAPS'
i know they usually have flash storage (of course)
But unfortunately for you, i believe that all tablets have custom designed Mobo's, and as ive never seen a "make your own tablet" kit, i dont see where youd find one... (unless you make a super-size tablet with a nano-itx mobo... but then it might be too large and you may as well make a netbook)
EDIT: heres a link to a wikipedia page about texas instrument omap processors: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_Instruments_OMAP
in fact, do look into the possibility of nano-itx boards... you might be able to make a windows 7 tablet?
I just had a random thought...ICS on personal computers! By that, I mean ICS running on our x86 desktops and laptops!
I tried Android X86 before. It was very fast, but running a phone O.S on a desktop just didn't feel right.
ICS seems as it may be very good for laptops and especially netbooks. Better speeds, better battery life, and greater security are just a few advanges over Windows.
Personally, I'd love to see ICS running on my MacBook. I believe it would both run and look amazing!
What are your thoughts about this? I for one see ICS running quite well on phones, tablets, and now personal computers!
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Now I can't see why i would want ICS on my desktop. I wouldn't be able to watch all my movies due to lack of codec support or software simply isn't polished enough. I wouldn't be able to code. I wouldn't be able to properly edit a document or start one. I could go on but you get the jist right? A computer is a computer, and for now ICS is a plaything. Until google thinks about entering the computer scene with android, it will be a plaything.
Mm I don't see ICS replacing my Mac or laptop , is way different, sure use a tablet as a full PC and trust me that ain't fun all the time, specially working a lot with spreadsheets, works become so much harder , ICS is meant to be a mobile OS
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what i always thought someone should do is release a PCI/PCIe card with a nice dual core ARM chip on it (tegra 2? IDK) and a few gigs of flash memory, to store android. boom. instant androi-based PC. more than enough for a lot of people.
I mean, it'd take a little work to come up with some universal drivers, but it couldn't be that hard, right?
I just wanted to throw in a little "update": Since Android 4 ICS will be open-source, the guys down at Android-X86 are sure to port it to X86, followed by a good community modding it.
I for one would love to have ICS running on my MacBook Pro, that is, while taking advantage of the Magic Multi-Touch trackpad. That would be epic.
Anyways, I hope to see ICS running well and looking great on all devices. Android 4 seems to be a very good operating system. I played with a Honeycomb tablet the other day and loved it; the UI was very nice and the menus were great. I can't wait to see a similar-looking O.S running on my blazin' Galaxy S II, and, hopefully my future Tegra 3-Powered tablet!
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what i always thought someone should do is release a PCI/PCIe card with a nice dual core ARM chip on it (tegra 2? IDK) and a few gigs of flash memory, to store android. boom. instant androi-based PC. more than enough for a lot of people.
I mean, it'd take a little work to come up with some universal drivers, but it couldn't be that hard, right?
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I'd say that it would be possible to develop a 13" laptop with a Dual-Core ARM chip, 1GB-2GB of RAM, and 4GB of flash (for Android) with a hard drive in UNDER $200. It would sell at $350 (if I were behind it).
I'm with Kailkti. I see no reason why I'd want Android on a PC. No reason whatsoever. None. The flexibility and feature set of Android and it's apps is just waaaay too far away from a full-fledged OS.
In fact, I'd go the other way around, the only situation I'd even consider a tablet is if I could run a traditional Linux distro on it. Which will never happen thanks to the closed nature of tablet hardware.
Keep mobile OSes as far away as possible from full-fledged computers, thank you.
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I'd say that it would be possible to develop a 13" laptop with a Dual-Core ARM chip, 1GB-2GB of RAM, and 4GB of flash (for Android) with a hard drive in UNDER $200. It would sell at $350 (if I were behind it).
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I love that concept! i'd pay a lot for it if it had a touchscreen, no sure how interested i'd be if it didn't.
I think Android is fabulous, but there's enough lightweight Linux distros with much better support for x86 architecture and that aren't touchscreen centered that it's not likely the kind of market Android could gain ground on.
I also think both devices, a full fledged computer and a phone do go hand in hand for some people but are still vastly dissimilar in their usage.
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I love that concept! i'd pay a lot for it if it had a touchscreen, no sure how interested i'd be if it didn't.
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Honestly, I was thinking of no touchscreen (too expensive), but rather a large, Multi-Touch trackpad loaded with unique gestures and a good-sized keyboard.
You can always look at the ASUS Transformer, too.
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Honestly, I was thinking of no touchscreen (too expensive), but rather a large, Multi-Touch trackpad loaded with unique gestures and a good-sized keyboard.
You can always look at the ASUS Transformer, too.
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reason i never went for the transformer was because as a standalone tablet its nothing special (a500 or others are much better value, isn't that good until you buy a $150 accessory, and then its only something unique used as a laptop - and i don't mind going on my laptop when i need to type something.
but if i can get a 15" touchscreen W8 laptop that i can dualboot W8ARM & ICS on, i'd LOVE that.
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but if i can get a 15" touchscreen W8 laptop that i can dualboot W8ARM & ICS on, i'd LOVE that.
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Never at a reasonable price. That's the big problem with touchscreens. Quality ones aren't cheap and cheap ones are of atrocious quality... A good OS with a crappy input method is no better than a crappy OS with a good input method. Either will make you rage because they won't behave as you wished.
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reason i never went for the transformer was because as a standalone tablet its nothing special (a500 or others are much better value, isn't that good until you buy a $150 accessory, and then its only something unique used as a laptop - and i don't mind going on my laptop when i need to type something.
but if i can get a 15" touchscreen W8 laptop that i can dualboot W8ARM & ICS on, i'd LOVE that.
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Honestly, I cannot think of a reason why you'd want a touchpad on a laptop. I'm using a MacBook Pro right now, and could not think of when I would EVER use a touchscreen, if the screen had one. The trackpad is much better, and the keyboard is just great.
Not to mention the arm strain you'd get from keeping your hand up to navigate.
So this summer I was going to build a carputer with a kit that I already have, similar to this :
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Seeing that the new windows 8 metro style UI looks to be very touch screen friendly. I just have to find a double DIN friendly touch screen. And the board that I got has 5 CH audio output that I would just run into a 4 channel amp for my speakers.
Then I started thinking that I like the android tablet idea because I am more familiar with it and I can BT from a tablet to my phone to use internet and GPS functions and that would be titties, only downfall was that I would only have 2CH of audio split into two to get my 4CH, that and every 7" tablet that fits a double DIN hole is pretty weak, but could work.
Then I found this effer:
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Seems to be everything I wanted, just not sure on sound quality or how well the systems integrations work... that and I get to do no customization and building myself.
I already have a double DIN touch screen dvd car stereo but it lacks navigation and Bluetooth capability.
Dunno whats better.
Probably Windows 8.
Android is just not an OS meant for something beyond phones, if you want something touch friendly on a larger scale, the tiny icons of ICS on a tab aren't it while driving. Windows 8 is info at a glance, just like windows phone. Given the option, I'd take the OS that seems to be suited for the job, GPS/BT link to your phone would still work given the right programs on win8
i think android
If it runs google music in terms of music, it would be good. Android can also offer FM radio if the device supports it, and I don't think Windows 8 does that
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Android. Simply because it is much more flexible than W8. IMHO.
So although the stock Android might not be as touch friendly, you can always make it touch friendly.
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Android. Simply because it is much more flexible than W8. IMHO.
So although the stock Android might not be as touch friendly, you can always make it touch friendly.
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but you can't make it AS touch friendly, you can either get something, customize it, and still have a half-finished product, or get something that just works.
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but you can't make it AS touch friendly, you can either get something, customize it, and still have a half-finished product, or get something that just works.
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That's the thing. It won't. not with all the inevitable BSOD and license agreement prompts while you're trying to find your way through traffic.
Android it much more flexible, no matter what your marketing department has to say about it.
As long as its not the arm version of windows 8, which won't run older windows software, I think windows 8 is better choice. It will run lots of the very good pre existing windows software and be compatible with additional hardware you might want to add later such as wireless controls and screens etc.
Android is a good choice but for op's needs windows 8 is probably better.
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For the time being I would say android, mostly because Windows 8 is young and there aren't many (mature) apps you could use effectively for the purposes you want.
However, I believe a year (maybe a bit more) from now, Windows 8 tablets should be on par with android and when you think about all these Windows 8 non-tablet apps you could also run, Win8 will be the way to go.
TL;DR Android for a year, switch to Windows 8 later if you want comfort. Or just skip android and get Windows device.
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That's the thing. It won't. not with all the inevitable BSOD and license agreement prompts while you're trying to find your way through traffic.
Android it much more flexible, no matter what your marketing department has to say about it.
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I haven't had a bsod since vista, I don't think many have. Bringing up old issues to argue about a new OS is foolish. Here's some relevant android issues, lag, not touch friendly on a big screen, fragmentation, stability.
There will be more possibilities with Windows 8, but atm Windows 8 have to much bugs. For now better choice is android, for the future win8.
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but you can't make it AS touch friendly, you can either get something, customize it, and still have a half-finished product, or get something that just works.
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The guy wants to put a tablet in his car...you think he is worried about customizing?? Please stop the madness. Even on the most beta of ROM's you have working GPS, music, games, and bluetooth. What more do you need? Also I don't know how much you follow Android, but there was just a HUGE breakthrough in per app DPI that would make customizing a tablet for a situation like this super easy.
Windows 8 would be more car friendly due to the massive buttons, but Android has less bugs, and Windows 8 isn't out yet. Android for now, Windows 8 when it's out for longer.
What makes you think android has less bugs? Really...
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What makes you think android has less bugs? Really...
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What makes you think android lags?
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VOT Productions said:
Windows 8 would be more car friendly due to the massive buttons, but Android has less bugs, and Windows 8 isn't out yet. Android for now, Windows 8 when it's out for longer.
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How do you know Andriod has "less bugs" when Windows 8 isn't even out yet?
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not with all the inevitable BSOD and license agreement prompts while you're trying to find your way through traffic.
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BSOD and license agreement prompts?! Are you using a pirated copy of Windows 98? I have Windows 7 64 bit and the ONLY time I ever saw a BSOD was with a new third party piece of hardware that had buggy firmware. Pulled that out of my case and never saw anything like that again.
Android, car mode, Done.
Windows 8 on a small board? Probably will have to be the RT version and it'll have to be pirated. Even then you don't know what all will work.
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I haven't had a bsod since vista, I don't think many have. Bringing up old issues to argue about a new OS is foolish. Here's some relevant android issues, lag, not touch friendly on a big screen, fragmentation, stability.
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You always get a bee in your bonnet about android lagging but ignoring that, as you never listen to anyone who says otherwise, even if it were not touch friendly on a big screen just how big a screen do you expect it to be using in a car? It wouldn't be a problem even if it were true, though I would like to see sources backing up that claim of not being touch friendly.
Stability? Seriously? You do realise android phones can be left on indefinitely without becoming unstable so how can stability be an issue?
I actually agree windows makes more sense but I do think your mistaken in your view of android.
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If the Car-PC you are getting is x86... go for Windows 8
if it's an ARM based computer... go Android
Best keep it native right?
Ubuntu just released Ubuntu phone os as see running on a galaxy nexus. This thing looks wonderful and I can wait to see it come to the nexus 4. Check this out
http://mobile.theverge.com/2013/1/2/3827922/ubuntu-phone-os-announcement
If it was up to me I think this is what android should evolve into even if it meant Google buying Ubuntu.
This is very well thought out is which basically uses the entire phone screen things are done through swypes and speech and everything looks like it works. The only thing may be app support.
Here is a hands on video by The Verge and Engadget
http://mobile.theverge.com/2013/1/2/3828266/ubuntu-phone-os-hands-on
http://www.engadget.com/2013/01/02/ubuntu-for-smartphones/
heat361 said:
Ubuntu just released Ubuntu phone os as see running on a galaxy nexus. This thing looks wonderful and I can wait to see it come to the nexus 4. Check this out
http://mobile.theverge.com/2013/1/2/3827922/ubuntu-phone-os-announcement
If it was up to me I think this is what android should evolve into even if it meant Google buying Ubuntu.
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Before becoming an android fan I always thought that it would be better to have a full fledge os and not what android had to offer. I would love a.port of this on my tablet. Just running a full office suite on my tab or phone is a dream come true
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danyal241 said:
Before becoming an android fan I always thought that it would be better to have a full fledge os and not what android had to offer. I would love a.port of this on my tablet. Just running a full office suite on my tab or phone is a dream come true
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This looks amazing I really think Google should purchase Ubuntu.They would have a desktop is and a phone is while they could intergrate their play store along with their core Google services.
Edit:I updated the thread with a hands on by The Verge
This is great. Thanks for sharing.
danyal241 said:
Before becoming an android fan I always thought that it would be better to have a full fledge os and not what android had to offer. I would love a.port of this on my tablet. Just running a full office suite on my tab or phone is a dream come true
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Its not a full fledged Linux OS its Ubuntu's version of a phone OS, basically Ubuntu Android. The docking mentioned in the promo sounds like the Motorola Atrix concept all over. There are developers who have ported Ubuntu to other phones but they pretty much had limited usability for lack of drivers; no wifi, data, etc. This should port over easier as it uses android drivers. Also sounds like all android apps will not work with this?
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This is great. Thanks for sharing.
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It is great there is a little lag but this is pre release software and I believe it could be easily fixed.But even with the lag on a galaxy nexus I think this would run beautifully smooth on a nexus 4.
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kzoodroid said:
Its not a full fledged Linux OS its Ubuntu's version of a phone OS, basically Ubuntu Android. The docking mentioned in the promo sounds like the Motorola Atrix concept all over. There are developers who have ported Ubuntu to other phones but they pretty much had limited usability for lack of drivers; no wifi, data, etc. This should port over easier as it uses android drivers. Also sounds like all android apps will not work with this?
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Yep it doesn't look like android apps would work, but if they could make that work or even evolve android into something like this it would be cool.
What's the definition of "full fledged" Linux OS? We're getting close on the kernel. Otherwise install Busybox and you're there, IMO
Exactly like Ubuntu's Desktop the limitations here will be apps.. I prefer my Debian/Ubuntu-based Linux Mint + Cinnamon over all OS's including Chrome & MacOS, but the lack of apps (which isn't changing anytime soon) will be insurmountable
crachel said:
What's the definition of "full fledged" Linux OS? We're getting close on the kernel. Otherwise install Busybox and you're there, IMO
Exactly like Ubuntu's Desktop the limitations here will be apps.. I prefer my Debian/Ubuntu-based Linux Mint + Cinnamon over all OS's including Chrome & MacOS, but the lack of apps (which isn't changing anytime soon) will be insurmountable
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Yes the os is is nice and it does work, but the major downfall of this is app support and developer support;they need this to take Ubuntu phone os to the top.
kzoodroid said:
Its not a full fledged Linux OS its Ubuntu's version of a phone OS, basically Ubuntu Android. The docking mentioned in the promo sounds like the Motorola Atrix concept all over. There are developers who have ported Ubuntu to other phones but they pretty much had limited usability for lack of drivers; no wifi, data, etc. This should port over easier as it uses android drivers. Also sounds like all android apps will not work with this?
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Well, it'll obviously be a lot better when Ubuntu creates it rather than uninvolved developers, of course. Ubuntu is usually not one to disappoint.
Also, I don't really get why they skipped the Nexus 4 and went with the Galaxy Nexus. Maybe it's just cause not enough people own the Nexus 4 yet, and due to supply as well, rather than demand.
I think this should be Android based, like TouchWiz. Then we could just easily flash it like a custom ROM and all our apps would be compatible and available from GPlay.
I think I'll still try this out though, looks promising.
Did I hear that it won't come to phones until 2014?
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slimldj said:
Did I hear that it won't come to phones until 2014?
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Purchasable phones is what they meant by that. The firmware images are being released soon, which should find there way to a multitude of devices shortly.
It'll be much better than any other OS as long as it gets support, the desktop version is amazing but lack of developer support means you have to use Windows still. I'm not a fan of stock Android, Google never seem to be able to keep up, Touchwiz is so much better. So I cannot wait to see what Ubuntu will turn out like after a few revisions.
crachel said:
What's the definition of "full fledged" Linux OS? We're getting close on the kernel. Otherwise install Busybox and you're there, IMO
Exactly like Ubuntu's Desktop the limitations here will be apps.. I prefer my Debian/Ubuntu-based Linux Mint + Cinnamon over all OS's including Chrome & MacOS, but the lack of apps (which isn't changing anytime soon) will be insurmountable
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There was a dev in the Incredible forums who tried to port Ubuntu to the phone, he got it to boot and then pretty much quit. I think the same thing was also tried with the Eris back in 2010.
Was just reading multiple articles on this seems very promising
sent from one of the NEXUS twins 4 or 7.....
I am guessing its's going to be open source like openwebos(so we can port it ). Can anyone confirm that?
It's just the beginning...
Ubuntu for Android is coming next year. I did a quick article for these guys below. About half way down is the video demonstrations of Ubuntu for Android, which is separate from Ubuntu Phone from what I understand.
http://androidlexicon.blogspot.co.uk/2013/01/ubuntu-for-android.html
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Ubuntu for Android is coming next year. I did a quick article for these guys below. About half way down is the video demonstrations of Ubuntu for Android, which is separate from Ubuntu Phone from what I understand.
http://androidlexicon.blogspot.co.uk/2013/01/ubuntu-for-android.html
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From what I heard they are 2 separate things,but both os can be docked to display ubuntu
leventccc said:
I am guessing its's going to be open source like openwebos(so we can port it ). Can anyone confirm that?
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Yes it will be opened source just like Ubuntu. The Ubuntu phone images should be out for the galaxy nexus in a week
Edit:for those wondering how to build apps for it or are curious about apps they have a QML toolkit read more here
http://www.ubuntu.com/devices/phone/app-ecosystem
http://developer.ubuntu.com/get-started/gomobile/
Hey Guys! so heres my situation: my high school wanted to go digital so added wifi to the entire school and made us all rent ipads from them (private school). I graduate next month and will have to give my ipad back. There is supposed to be an option to be able to buy it, but I have always been an android and open source person who liked to tinker so I am looking to get a new tablet. This tablet was on Amazon for $367 for a little while, but is back up to $400. My 18th birthday is next month and should get more than enough money to buy this tablet and accessories. I want to know if there are any major issues hardware, software, or something slowing down development since I most likely will root it. I am going to college next year and am considering the much cheaper older models with the keyboard dock since people keep complaining about issues with this versions keyboard dock. anyone want to clarify on that? I do have a wireless full sized keyboard that folds in half from my ipad will work, but the USB 3 and extra battery and potential to not need a case is tempting. The other thing is if I root and run the 4.4 rom builds (Am I correct it is only 4.3 that is officially supported, and boot loader unlocking tool is officially available from Asus?) will the official accesories still work without issue? I am considering buying this adapter and a micro HDMI to HDMI cable or this miracast dongle to access my movies on my 2TB seagate external hard drive (with its own power source) to watch movies instead of using an xbox 360 or my laptop around home and when I travel (which is at least once a month). I am also thinking of connecting a ps3 controlled with sixaxis app then to a TV for a more portable console for gaming. I have already done this with my LG Optimus G. Also how far along is development? I see hardly any roms. two CM11 rom and a few 4.3 roms but seems only one is heavily customized. I have experience with adding some tweaks, themes, debloating, and compiling (official) nightlies of CM for other devices and was wondering if there is enough for me to be satisfied with a hopefully not overly customized official 4.3 build and might be able to take my knowledge to help contribute to the community if I buy this. if anyone can answer a single question of this long post it would be awesome.
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If you like the functionality of this tablet + dock it would be a grave mistake to buy the older versions of the Transformer series. I have owned the 700 for more than a year now and flashed most CM based roms as well as all CROMi based roms to it. The improvement compared to stock is amazing, but none of the best custom roms are as good as the TF701 on stock. The TF701 is gorgeous out of the box and that is also the reason you probably won't see the level of development the TF700 received.
Why?
Because there is way less user demand. This tablet is so good on stock, that only the serious flashoholics crave a custom rom.
The CM based KK roms all have minor issues with implementing the full functionality of the keyboard. It's only special function keys like wifi toggle, trackpad, auto brightness etc that don't work (and maybe never will) and at this point there seems to be an issue with the USB 3.0 functionality of the USB port, but if those are important to you, just flash CROMi-X 6.1 which is based on the official Asus firmware where everything works.
That is my preferred rom for this tablet. It's based on the latest 4.3 JB and it beats me why people HAVE TO HAVE the KitKat rom - I don't see much of an improvement in 4.4 compared to 4.3....
Can't help you with Miracast and the other game stuff - I don't use any of it.
The dock can be an issue. My second one works fine, but it's still something you have to pay attention to and possibly exchange/replace if the known issues show up. I have read about one user now receiving a 2014 keyborad without issues. So there is the chance that they finally fixed the disaster the dock has been in 2013. But I would be watching this...
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If you like to tinker I think you'll like this device. As Bernd says it is very good out of the box and my CROMi-X build is what I run as a daily. I'm more than satisfied and my keyboard works fine. I love it.
You could join the CROMBi-kk team if you want to learn more about building a solid rom. I'm on holiday at the moment (typing this in a coffee shop in Japan) but when I get back there will be more improvements made to kitkat as well as the kernels we are using
berndblb said:
If you like the functionality of this tablet + dock it would be a grave mistake to buy the older versions of the Transformer series. I have owned the 700 for more than a year now and flashed most CM based roms as well as all CROMi based roms to it. The improvement compared to stock is amazing, but none of the best custom roms are as good as the TF701 on stock. The TF701 is gorgeous out of the box and that is also the reason you probably won't see the level of development the TF700 received.
Why?
Because there is way less user demand. This tablet is so good on stock, that only the serious flashoholics crave a custom rom.
The CM based KK roms all have minor issues with implementing the full functionality of the keyboard. It's only special function keys like wifi toggle, trackpad, auto brightness etc that don't work (and maybe never will) and at this point there seems to be an issue with the USB 3.0 functionality of the USB port, but if those are important to you, just flash CROMi-X 6.1 which is based on the official Asus firmware where everything works.
That is my preferred rom for this tablet. It's based on the latest 4.3 JB and it beats me why people HAVE TO HAVE the KitKat rom - I don't see much of an improvement in 4.4 compared to 4.3....
Can't help you with Miracast and the other game stuff - I don't use any of it.
The dock can be an issue. My second one works fine, but it's still something you have to pay attention to and possibly exchange/replace if the known issues show up. I have read about one user now receiving a 2014 keyborad without issues. So there is the chance that they finally fixed the disaster the dock has been in 2013. But I would be watching this...
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Okay. So if I get enough money for my bday then I'll get this. Considering the dock price, issues, and I need some stuff for my raspberry pi, I'll get the tablet now and get the dock later. But other than that this tablet has everything I need, and appears to be the best hardware out there and has an even better price comparatively. I'll be watching for the docks too.
sbdags said:
If you like to tinker I think you'll like this device. As Bernd says it is very good out of the box and my CROMi-X build is what I run as a daily. I'm more than satisfied and my keyboard works fine. I love it.
You could join the CROMBi-kk team if you want to learn more about building a solid rom. I'm on holiday at the moment (typing this in a coffee shop in Japan) but when I get back there will be more improvements made to kitkat as well as the kernels we are using
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Okay. So I can have stability and features when I want it, and have a lot of tinkering when to also. That's exactly what I need. Nandroid and tinker on weekends, stable when I have classes. And if I get it I'll definitely join. Maybe I can join now though and start learning more. And until I get the tablet (maybe next week) I can use what I learn on my og Evo 4g, LG Optimus G, and nook tablet. I'll message you later most likely, but the main things I believe I need to move forward are the updates script and such and how to fix syntax errors so I don't need dsixdas kitchen to recompile everytime I make make a change even if it's just updated gapps, new ringtone, etc. the other thing I really want to figure out is how to setup aroma installer which I believe ties into the other thing. Them learn java with the coursera class I put my name down for and I could start to do a lot. Thanks for the help guys! This pretty much answers everything I need except for one thing. The ps3 controller I'm sure will work, but with the miracast dongle I'm not sure if I would be able to use midi direct straight to the dongle, and connect to local wifi in case I want to stream or play online games like clash of clans or war of nations (seriously check out the second one, it's new to android but amazing on ios). If that works and doesn't have miracast/DLNA bugs like some devices then I'll have everything I need or want. If not I can get a 15 ft micro hdmi to hdmi cable for like $10 on amazon (I have prime)
I like this tablet. I think its great for what you get. Higher resolution, pushes the limits etc. Just dont drop it. Doesnt look pretty if you plan on rooting which is a must if you want to actually use it. Get some depth of knowledge. Seems people cant repair it in some places without paying a lot of money especially after the warranty is voided. They need to offer better service in that area. I guess if you want to void your warranty and root it. Dont buy an extended one. That would not make sense. Correct me if Im wrong. Aside from shipping costs ASUS should be giving lifetime warranties only because they cut and past peoples software which is fine. Just give us what we're owed. :cyclops: LOL i dont know.
YayYouFixedIt said:
I like this tablet. I think its great for what you get. Higher resolution, pushes the limits etc. Just dont drop it. Doesnt look pretty if you plan on rooting which is a must if you want to actually use it. Get some depth of knowledge. Seems people cant repair it in some places without paying a lot of money especially after the warranty is voided. They need to offer better service in that area. I guess if you want to void your warranty and root it. Dont buy an extended one. That would not make sense. Correct me if Im wrong. Aside from shipping costs ASUS should be giving lifetime warranties only because they cut and past peoples software which is fine. Just give us what we're owed. :cyclops: LOL i dont know.
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What do you mean doesn't look pretty if I root it? Rooting doesn't affect how it looks. Unless you mean if you damage it and can't get it fixed because of warranty? And my trick is if it's damaged enough I need it fixed I plug it into my laptop and hard brick it's I'm on my 5th Optimus G already and only paid $150 once. Only once was a shattering screen,
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What do you mean doesn't look pretty if I root it? Rooting doesn't affect how it looks. Unless you mean if you damage it and can't get it fixed because of warranty? And my trick is if it's damaged enough I need it fixed I plug it into my laptop and hard brick it's I'm on my 5th Optimus G already and only paid $150 once. Only once was a shattering screen,
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I think what I mean is I have a desktop PC or a laptop. I can have root. I do not need to void my warranty. Why would they need to void the warranty for root access?
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I think what I mean is I have a desktop PC or a laptop. I can have root. I do not need to void my warranty. Why would they need to void the warranty for root access?
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Because you have to unlock the bootloader to get root on the TF701.
@evodev I think you would make a great addition to the team. Get the tablet!
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Because you have to unlock the bootloader to get root on the TF701.
@evodev I think you would make a great addition to the team. Get the tablet!
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Sorry, I literally wrote every reply right before the bell for my next class rang so I had to be quicked. Interestingly enough clash of clans and some tech sites and all are blocked, but xda I can access without having to use my phone for a hotspot connected to my 22,000 mAh battery. And I'll know be the end of next week if I'm getting it or not, I'm going to see if there might be a price drop in the near future to save some money though.
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What do you mean doesn't look pretty if I root it? Rooting doesn't affect how it looks. Unless you mean if you damage it and can't get it fixed because of warranty? And my trick is if it's damaged enough I need it fixed I plug it into my laptop and hard brick it's I'm on my 5th Optimus G already and only paid $150 once. Only once was a shattering screen,
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If you're saying what I think you're saying, that won't work with the TF701T as when you unlock it (which is needed for rooting), it "phones home" to the Asus server to tell them that you've done it, which instantly voids your warranty. It doesn't matter how much your hard brick it after that - they just look at the serial/IMEI number and compare it to their list of unlocked devices, and won't touch it.
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If you're saying what I think you're saying, that won't work with the TF701T as when you unlock it (which is needed for rooting), it "phones home" to the Asus server to tell them that you've done it, which instantly voids your warranty. It doesn't matter how much your hard brick it after that - they just look at the serial/IMEI number and compare it to their list of unlocked devices, and won't touch it.
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Dang it. I need to do more research. Someone needs to make a modified version of the program that blocks that. Or if it doesn't require downloading the files during the process and can be unlocked offline, just create a firewall blocking all the addresses or disable wifi. Problem solved. Lol. I might look into it more when I get the tablet.
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Dang it. I need to do more research. Someone needs to make a modified version of the program that blocks that. Or if it doesn't require downloading the files during the process and can be unlocked offline, just create a firewall blocking all the addresses or disable wifi. Problem solved. Lol. I might look into it more when I get the tablet.
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I don't believe its possible. Unlocking requires a unique per-device key, and there's no way to get that other than from Asus, so it cannot be done offline and without Asus knowing, at least not unless there's a flaw in their encryption etc.
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I don't believe its possible. Unlocking requires a unique per-device key, and there's no way to get that other than from Asus, so it cannot be done offline and without Asus knowing, at least not unless there's a flaw in their encryption etc.
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So firewall definitely won't work. And anything to get it working I don't think anyone will bother doing. Not worth the time. Just have to be as careful as I usually am for now. Might not even root it off the bat and see how stock suites me until I want to add a ps3 controller to it.
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So firewall definitely won't work. And anything to get it working I don't think anyone will bother doing. Not worth the time. Just have to be as careful as I usually am for now. Might not even root it off the bat and see how stock suites me until I want to add a ps3 controller to it.
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No way around it I'm afraid. You can only unlock using the Asus unlock tool due to the encrypted keys they use.
However I'm pretty sure a ps3 controller works without root.
Just to give you guys an update I'll have the tablet tomorrow and the case on Saturday.