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will there ever be a sony nexus?

will we see something like the S4 google edition later this year with a sony device?

nope. Sony just isnt at the spot yet. Sammy has a huge market share thats why.
and Sony does the AOSP themselves

LitoNi said:
nope. Sony just isnt at the spot yet. Sammy has a huge market share thats why.
and Sony does the AOSP themselves
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They do suck at it though, development is really slow and there is no help from the big G, which also slows progress down.

Nexus vs Google Edition Phones

Hello
As you know the release of Samsung Galaxy S4 GE and HTC One GE offering the same flavour as Nexus users already have a taste for.
Do you think inclusion of the new type of camera app and various other features in these junks defeats the purpose of owning a Nexus? It is we who should get the update of even a minute bug squash or changes to any core app.
What would be the update cycle of these junk phones? Will the Android updates be prioritised for the Nexus or will it released for the junks together?
Sorry for being rude, as a loyal Nexus fan, I seriously hate these so called idiotic Google Edition.

ngr.hd said:
Hello
As you know the release of Samsung Galaxy S4 GE and HTC One GE offering the same flavour as Nexus users already have a taste for.
Do you think inclusion of the new type of camera app and various other features in these junks defeats the purpose of owning a Nexus? It is we who should get the update of even a minute big squash or changes to any core app.
What would be the update cycle of these junk phones? Will the Android updates be prioritised for the Nexus or will it released for the junks together?
Sorry if I was rude, being a loyal Nexus fan, I seriously hate these so called idiotic Google Edition.
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Well, this killed it for me
http://www.androidpolice.com/2013/0...play-edition-one-or-s4-oems-will-handle-otas/

trentreed said:
Well, this killed it for me
http://www.androidpolice.com/2013/0...play-edition-one-or-s4-oems-will-handle-otas/
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I'm right there with you buddy. The reason I love Nexus devices is, if something goes wrong I can flash the factory image and everything is good again. No factory image from Google = no go for me.
Edit: Before I start to see "HTC has the ruu and Samsung phones use Odin to flash back to stock". I don't like one click methods. I want to fastboot flash all the images one at a time so I can see what's going on.
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trentreed said:
Well, this killed it for me
http://www.androidpolice.com/2013/0...play-edition-one-or-s4-oems-will-handle-otas/
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Bullseye!

Just wondering if you can flash sense/touchwiz to these phones.

LoVeRice said:
Just wondering if you can flash sense/touchwiz to these phones.
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Why would someone do that? Just get the regular version...
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lyall29 said:
I'm right there with you buddy. The reason I love Nexus devices is, if something goes wrong I can flash the factory image and everything is good again. No factory image from Google = no go for me.
Edit: Before I start to see "HTC has the ruu and Samsung phones use Odin to flash back to stock". I don't like one click methods. I want to fastboot flash all the images one at a time so I can see what's going on.
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Its the same thing... You can see it happening step by step and what's occurring during each step.. That's silly if you ask me..
What turns me off is the simple fact that they are fake nexus devices.. While we will get Google updates almost immediately, those devices still have to rely on HTC or Samsung remembering to keep their thumbs out of their asses..
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http://www.droid-life.com/2013/06/2...eive-updates-shortly-after-they-are-released/

trentreed said:
Well, this killed it for me
http://www.androidpolice.com/2013/0...play-edition-one-or-s4-oems-will-handle-otas/
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I sound like a broken record saying this since day 1. The OEMs have to put their proprietary drivers and kernels (firmware) into the image or the software wont' know how to communicate with the hardware. I guess if the OEMs were willing to release them to Google then I guess Google could handle the updates. Then you have to ask: why would Google take on that responsibility? Would the OEMs openly give Google those drivers in a day and age where anyone can sue anyone over anything because something looks similar to something else? None of that makes sense.

Yeah I'm kinda dissapointed... I want the latest and greatest on my N4 but still don't have it... Hopefully it's just a matter of days... Hopefully hours....
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PJcastaldo said:
Its the same thing... You can see it happening step by step and what's occurring during each step.. That's silly if you ask me..
What turns me off is the simple fact that they are fake nexus devices.. While we will get Google updates almost immediately, those devices still have to rely on HTC or Samsung remembering to keep their thumbs out of their asses..
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One click methods are in no way "the same thing".
Edit: I'm not trying to start an argument here, its my personal preference. If you like one click methods then thats fine.

ngr.hd said:
Do you think inclusion of the new type of camera app and various other features in these junks defeats the purpose of owning a Nexus? It is we who should get the update of even a minute bug squash or changes to any core app.
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I don't understand what you are saying. What other "features" are you talking about? A red phase beam wallpaper? These phones haven't been released yet. My guess is the N4 will get those changes when 4.3 is released which may come before the GE phones are even released. Most likely lots of backend changes to the camera were needed to get it to work with the new driver hardware in the GE phones.

Once they launch will be the last time they have something the Nexus doesn't. The moment Google said that HTC/Samsung were responsible for updates and they weren't hosting/posting source means those phones will almost certainly be behind the Nexus.

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I don't understand what you are saying. What other "features" are you talking about? A red phase beam wallpaper? These phones haven't been released yet. My guess is the N4 will get those changes when 4.3 is released which may come before the GE phones are even released. Most likely lots of backend changes to the camera were needed to get it to work with the new driver hardware in the GE phones.
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That's the point, why are GEs getting the new camera app with new arc like settings and Nexus are left behind. Why is that "we" should wait for 4.3 and expect that the new camera would be included in that. It is a clear blow to the loyal Nexus owners who actually gets all updates to the Android first, even a small bug squash.
And talking about other features, I'm sure there would be some still hidden not available to the Nexus owners.

lyall29 said:
I'm right there with you buddy. The reason I love Nexus devices is, if something goes wrong I can flash the factory image and everything is good again. No factory image from Google = no go for me.
Edit: Before I start to see "HTC has the ruu and Samsung phones use Odin to flash back to stock". I don't like one click methods. I want to fastboot flash all the images one at a time so I can see what's going on.
Sent from my Nexus 4 using xda premium
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+1 Only Nexus reveal the real beauty of Android.

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That's the point, why are GEs getting the new camera app with new arc like settings and Nexus are left behind. Why is that "we" should wait for 4.3 and expect that the new camera would be included in that. It is a clear blow to the loyal Nexus owners who actually gets all updates to the Android first, even a small bug squash.
And talking about other features, I'm sure there would be some still hidden still not available to the Nexus owners.
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Oh boo-hoo. We'll get an update soon enough.
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El Daddy said:
Oh boo-hoo. We'll get an update soon enough.
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Hmm...wait and watch.

why are some people sooo sensitive, "my nexus should get this first" , "all others must wait" ...
look a little out of the box, these Google Edition phones are promoting stock android, whether they'll get updates parallel with the nexus or will join after a few days/weeks delay it doesn't matter. We all want more stock android options, and that's a step in the right direction, popularizing stock bloat-free android.
So, yeah, grow up and stop acting like samsung galaxy/iphone/etc.. blinded fanboys.

Can't believe you guys are complaining about a new camera app and live wallpaper. Nexus is just asop pure android 100% Google stuff... Doesn't mean Google owes us latest of the latest updates.
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ngr.hd said:
That's the point, why are GEs getting the new camera app with new arc like settings and Nexus are left behind. Why is that "we" should wait for 4.3 and expect that the new camera would be included in that. It is a clear blow to the loyal Nexus owners who actually gets all updates to the Android first, even a small bug squash.
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How do you know the GE phones will get those features first? They haven't even been released yet? And they won't be in users hands until after July 9th.

Xperia T/Tx/V official android 4.3 First Impression

I made this post to let everyone share his impression about the long waited android 4.3 To our beloved phones T/TX/V
share your thoughts =)
and Gratz lets w8 for our last hope the Kitkat =D
Update
after flashing the usa FTF i just used my mobile for 10mins and seriously i got a new mobile now! nicely done by Sony
Smooth and Graphic is eye blessing just gotta w8 till get rooted and get the smaller navigation bar cuz this one is kinda too big
i love the call animation too It`s a new phone now =) Gratz to everyone
Tx Owner

First we won't get kitkat and in March our 18 months are over and Sony has yet made it to get itself out of having to give us kitkat...
Now 4.3. I don't know I expected more. SP got the gloves mode for example and I don't know whether it is just the Vodafone version why aren't we getting an update center?
The cam looks good but lacks of functionality, for example the tap to focus and make picture is gone and the auto mode being chosen every time I open the app is not really optimal.
The lockscreen is a bit rudimentary but we all knew that before yes we got widgets but honestly what do they offer if I have to watch out not opening Walkman or when swiping left and right. Better optional app buttons and to have them on the lower screen half.
Then the Docomo status bar better than what we had before but definitely many steps behind other uis in that case.
Worst for me is that the buttons for navigation are almost third of the screen... Would it kill Sony to make that customizable?
My main parts I'm not yet updating and waiting for the modders to do their best

My Impression
It snappy ,looks nice ram usages is poor I don't know about battery life yet , sound quality seems to be enhanced :louder ,deeper bass, higher treble all round improvement P.S. for those who don't know first start up will be a tad laggy

Rep
It feels much faster than 4.1.2. I love the lockscreen and the design

pieceofphil said:
First we won't get kitkat and in March our 18 months are over and Sony has yet made it to get itself out of having to give us kitkat...
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No buddy asked you about KitKat :-S
Sent from Shane's Xperia T LT30a

What about TX? When receive 4.3?
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The cam looks good but lacks of functionality, for example the tap to focus and make picture is gone and the auto mode being chosen every time I open the app is not really optimal.
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... and that for a company like Sony. Imagine that.
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My main parts I'm not yet updating and waiting for the modders to do their best
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Yep, and that for a completely stripped down version, with no auto-background update of Google Services, and other unneeded items.

Torres77an said:
No buddy asked you about KitKat :-S
Tinup93 said:
share your thoughts =)
and Gratz lets w8 for our last hope the Kitkat =D
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I took the share your thoughts part as invitation to share my thoughts on both subjects mentioned.
And I advise you to just let people have their opinion and if I needed to release my frustration over that subject respect that too. Otherwise get out of the internet as you'll get offended every second website you visit.
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Your not the first one to complain about it I just want to hear about the update not about the one we're most likely not going to get that's a hole other thread.
Sent from Shane's Xperia T LT30a

Maybe no update centre is a hint that we will not get updated to kit kat?

Stamina mode and camera
- Stamina mode looks like its 2 versions back. It lacks of customization which is in SP and Z series. Besides the (inaccurate) timer there is nothing new. That mode was previously in 4.1.2 just now it looks better.
- Camera - first impression is that it makes better pictures in low light conditions but I cant find settings in menu for resolution and quality - itll be nice if someone tell me where it is.

pieceofphil said:
SP got the gloves mode
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SP always had glove mode...
pieceofphil said:
the tap to focus and make picture is gone and the auto mode being chosen every time I open the app is not really optimal.
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I didn't know about this. I rely on tap to focus (as someone who knows absolutely nothing about taking a good picture)
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The lockscreen is a bit rudimentary but we all knew that before
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I passionately hate the current Xperia lock screen. While I like using other lockscreens, sometimes the default lock screen over-rides it anyway, I think when memory is low. I know I can use a pin, pattern, etc, but I want to be able to look at my phone for a very few short seconds without all the fiddling. Worst Xperia lock screen yet. Even the X10 lock screen was better.
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Then the Docomo status bar better than what we had before but definitely many steps behind other uis in that case.
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I'm glad this is present, my partner's SP has had it since updating to 4.1 and I've always been a little envious

Bit disappointed Walkman doesn't have music unlimited built in. It's the one thing I was waiting for
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LegibleEel said:
Bit disappointed Walkman doesn't have music unlimited built in. It's the one thing I was waiting for
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It doesn't?? Now that surprises me, considering the new walkman app is included in the feature list, and the new walkman app (at least for the SP) does have built in music unlimited :-/

kingstonxl said:
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- Camera - first impression is that it makes better pictures in low light conditions but I cant find settings in menu for resolution and quality - itll be nice if someone tell me where it is.
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You're most likely in Super auto mode... Got to switch to manual mode first and then enter the settings
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Torres77an said:
Your not the first one to complain about it I just want to hear about the update not about the one we're most likely not going to get that's a hole other thread.
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There's something called over reading. Learn it, really will help you.
BTW I'm getting confused you're not the post maker why you think you can tell me what to write and what not to write?

pieceofphil said:
You're most likely in Super auto mode... Got to switch to manual mode first and then enter the settings?
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Thanks! haven't noticed that

to me it seems a bit laggy compared to the .278 leaked version

i see a few bugs
First of all, what happened to the stock browser. is it android policy to pass to chrome in 4.3? I dont know about you, bt i dont feel any butter maybe the firmware still needs to get the hang of the device, vut for the moment it feels a bit laggy. Most important: What the hell happened to the volume bar?! i press the volume keys and ony a small grey rectengle appears, no indicator of volume level, i can hear the beeps increassing volume but i dont see it, and if you are in an app like RR3 it doesnt work! anybody had the same problem?

shyrsio said:
First of all, what happened to the stock browser. is it android policy to pass to chrome in 4.3? I dont know about you, bt i dont feel any butter maybe the firmware still needs to get the hang of the device, vut for the moment it feels a bit laggy. Most important: What the hell happened to the volume bar?! i press the volume keys and ony a small grey rectengle appears, no indicator of volume level, i can hear the beeps increassing volume but i dont see it, and if you are in an app like RR3 it doesnt work! anybody had the same problem?
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For me volume bar is shown correctly
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Update: Just restarted phone, now volume bar seems to be working ok

Does X-Reality Work in Unlocked BL on KitKat?

Does X-Reality Work in Unlocked BL on KitKat?
Can Anybody Confirm That. I'm dying to have my BL unlocked but am doubtful regarding claims that X-Reality works perfectly on Unlocked BootLoader in KitKat.

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2635986

There Are Still Doubts about whether BIONZ works or not.

halleyrokz said:
There Are Still Doubts about whether BIONZ works or not.
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You asked for x-reality.

halleyrokz said:
There Are Still Doubts about whether BIONZ works or not.
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Bionz works
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HellRoot said:
Bionz works
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ThanX

nobody cares or should care about that x-fake. the original pictures always look better

HellRoot said:
Bionz works
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It works even after Unlock Bootloader or it works after fix?

eclyptos said:
It works even after Unlock Bootloader or it works after fix?
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It works after unlock... Although there is a slight difference in quality of the pictures...
But it is not the bad... You can see the pictures somewhere on the forum here
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HellRoot said:
It works after unlock... Although there is a slight difference in quality of the pictures...
But it is not the bad...
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To me it is bad as there is a slight difference in quality then it not work properly, if not at all. We need concrete facts of what Unlock Bootloader damage on our phones and what, how the features still working. That what I didn't figure out yet.

I already unlock for a while to try doomlord kernel, x-reality i can't figure out there is different but camera is bad when unlock bootloader condition especially in low light,there is lot of noise , after relock i test in the same place and light and i can completely sure that bionz work on locked bootloader
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Well.
eclyptos said:
To me it is bad as there is a slight difference in quality then it not work properly, if not at all. We need concrete facts of what Unlock Bootloader damage on our phones and what, how the features still working. That what I didn't figure out yet.
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Ive actually explained this before so i wont do that again. But here comes a theory why ppl belive the features aint working.
The cam stopped to work completley pre 4.3 right ? Ye back then the Bionz was affected hence the camera didnt work with unlocked bootloader. The camera itself cant work if the Bionz chip aint there. Google for image processing chips for cameras in general and find out what it is.
Although, Sony fixed theese issues with KitKat and here it comes, brace yourself. If you google this you will get ALOT of answers about it. Everyone suffered from bad quality photos since KitKat was introduced(even the normal users that never fiddles with their phones). So, NO it aint the unlocking of the bootloader that does it. Sony fixed all thoose problems ppl were having with unlocked bootloaders. It is the new software that does it. Media reviewers actually wrote about this aswell saying that Sonys cam wasnt any good no more. Google is your friend.
A bonus theory here: The "conspiracy theory" : Wouldnt it be smart to make some features look abit worse on the Z1 when the release of the Z2 is just around the corner ? If a customer wants a really good camera phone and just cares about that. And when he is comparing the Z1 with the Z2 and found that Z1 is just as good camera wise but half the price he would buy that one i would guess. Buuuut if you make sure the camera isnt working as good on the Z1 but super good on the Z2 while releasing the Z2. Then that consumer might buy the Z2 instead. It could very well be marketing stunts so the normal user would go "ehhh this Z1 aint working properly, ahh well ill just buy a new one like the Z2".
And ofc, when the Z2 has been out for a while the software will be fixed on the Z1 making the ones that didnt jump the train for Z2 happy again so that thoose might continue to buy Sony Xperia´s.
All big companies wanna make money. They have smart ways of doing so aswell.
I will buy a OnePlus One when that is released here, and if that is so good as it seems to be and that the company will continue to produce "flagship killers" to the half price and a more humane price. I will continue to support them instead. But usually everyone making money will get greedy. :laugh:

A bit sad to see the dev for xp

Hi all
I can see that not much is going on here on this forum with the Xperia x performance.
Custom Rom etc is not existing and not much activity on the forums. Not compared to galaxy s7 anyways.
Sony has never made better phones than now, and the arc, s, z etc had a lot of activity.
It is a shame.
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AndroPlus said:
Tip: Everyone can be a developer
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I know.. I don't have the time for development myself at the moment, but a bit of life on xda for the xp does not hurt.
?
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HellRoot said:
Hi all
I can see that not much is going on here on this forum with the Xperia x performance.
Custom Rom etc is not existing and not much activity on the forums. Not compared to galaxy s7 anyways.
Sony has never made better phones than now, and the arc, s, z etc had a lot of activity.
It is a shame.
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Seems the same for all the x range at the moment
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HellRoot said:
Hi all
I can see that not much is going on here on this forum with the Xperia x performance.
Custom Rom etc is not existing and not much activity on the forums. Not compared to galaxy s7 anyways.
Sony has never made better phones than now, and the arc, s, z etc had a lot of activity.
It is a shame.
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Because we have no root on LB.

I was planning to get one, but it still very expensive for me... unfortunately!

Desperanto86 said:
Because we have no root on LB.
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There won't be anytime soon either, but a way to back up the ta keys on all the x range would be great. Currently the only thing stopping me unlocking & rooting my xa. made the mistake of loosing ta keys before won't do it again.
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serajr said:
I was planning to get one, but it still very expensive for me... unfortunately!
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If anyone can make things happen here it's you bro [emoji106]
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Do you actually think the X line is better than the Z line? Seriously?
It is a shame.
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The shame is the loss of DRM keys and all the rest.
What rest? Well, on Z3 and Z3c we can't even use an AOSP rom without big issues on the camera (the fish-eye bug), therefore for us a real development has really never started in 2 years (2 years my friend!!!!)
We were a lot of people, everybody is escaping now... :crying:

istux said:
Do you actually think the X line is better than the Z line? Seriously?
The shame is the loss of DRM keys and all the rest.
What rest? Well, on Z3 and Z3c we can't even use an AOSP rom without big issues on the camera (the fish-eye bug), therefore for us a real development has really never started in 2 years (2 years my friend!!!!)
We were a lot of people, everybody is escaping now... :crying:
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I like the x.. I also like the z, the phones have gotten better in specs.. The design is a matter of opinion.
I agree on the drm issues.
It was not to offend you.
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istux said:
Do you actually think the X line is better than the Z line? Seriously?
The shame is the loss of DRM keys and all the rest.
What rest? Well, on Z3 and Z3c we can't even use an AOSP rom without big issues on the camera (the fish-eye bug), therefore for us a real development has really never started in 2 years (2 years my friend!!!!)
We were a lot of people, everybody is escaping now... :crying:
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I actually think the X performance is a nice phone, ofcoz the X is actually downgrade from Z5...
It's ok as far as they keep a flagship upgraded and better than before. The new design looks excellent and for me is better than the boring Z series look, actually even better than the new xz.
Btw, for the reason they sell the standard X so hard, more than the X perf is that they dont want people to get X Perf coz it's too good, too good that u wont need to upgrade for a long time. Sony wants u to upgrade after a year, not 2 or 3 years like the over power Z series LOL. And ofcoz personally I'd recommend Z5 more than the standard X, but X perf is excellent to me

I'm liking my x performance replaced my Z3 which I still have its a great device with tons of Power we just need to find a way to bypass or fake dm-verity to get root on lb
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zombiej79 said:
I'm liking my x performance replaced my Z3 which I still have its a great device with tons of Power we just need to find a way to bypass or fake dm-verity to get root on lb
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something the whole x range needs....
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zombiej79 said:
I'm liking my x performance replaced my Z3 which I still have its a great device with tons of Power we just need to find a way to bypass or fake dm-verity to get root on lb
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Is "AndroPlus Kernel v7" did the work here (fake DRM /hide DRM security measure)? but this time with UB.
And as i know the difference between the LB and the UB is the lack of the DRM, but if the problem solved here with this kernel so it considered as a partial resolution until find another way to root with LB.
Correct me if i was wrong
Thanks
Envoyé de mon Xperia x performance

Problem is some carriers lock the bl and you can't unlock cause unlock bootloader says no and no way to change it to yes on carrier locked ones. Ive talked to Sony and Rogers and neither are interested in helping change status to yes. Sony says talk to carrier and carrier says talk to Sony just a vicious circle has to be a way to change status
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