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Goodphone i5 will sue Apple when iPhone 5 unveils

Thought you guys might be interested in this, it's pretty funny because that is actually how the iPhone 5 screen looks but it's hard to believe they haven't patented it already. Here's the story:
Chinese phone maker Goophone gets full marks for cheek. The day Apple’s iPhone 5 launch was finally announced, Goophone promised to have the phone banned in China… because it has already patented Apple’s design there.
Apple has suffered serious trademark and patent issues in China in the past, but the Goophone claim is causing merriment amongst Mac watchers. The Goophone i5 does indeed look much like the leaked iPhone 5. The move has been described by CultofMac as “wonderfully brazen” – but any attempt to enforce a Chinese patent would surely expose where Goophone got the design in the first place… wouldn’t it?
The Goophone i5, which first surfaced in August, looks superficially like an iPhone, but runs Android 4.1 Jelly Bean. Like the expected iPhone 5, it has a 4-inch screen, a smaller dock connector and larger speakers, and external speaker grills, whilst the headphone socket has moved to the bottom of the phone.
Inside, it is thought to have an Nvidia Tegra 3 quad-core 1.4Ghz CPU and 1GB RAM.
The i5 isn’t yet on sale in China, however, and is expected in the shops somewhat after the iPhone 5 launch.
Goophone’s site features the words “iPhone 5″ prominently in Latin script but its claims to the design seem very weak, especially given the fact that Apple has patents on the shape and style of iPhones going back some years, which have recently been upheld against Samsung in a US court.
GizChina has a video of the device:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AdfJCDdQuzE&feature=player_embedded
Apple has only recently settled a claim over the iPad trademark in China, paying $60 million to Proview, the owner of the term “iPad” there, when Proview threatened to ban any sales of iPads in China.
Meanwhile, the inventiveness of Chinese counterfeiters was shown last year, when they were found to have copied three entire Apple Stores.
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Here's the general specs of the phone (visit links to see full specs):
- 4 inch IPS screen, 1280*720 pixel display
- 1.4GHz Tegra 3 quad-core processor, 1GB RAM
- Support 3G network: GSM 850/900/1800/1900 & WCDMA 850/2100 MHz
- 8MP back camera + 1.3MP front camera
- Android 4.0 OS
Souce: http://www.techweekeurope.co.uk/news/goophone-china-patent-iphone-5-91400 & http://android-sale.com/goophone-i5.html
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This is hilarious... thanks for posting the article!

This is called Karma...
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On their face!

they fight and still get along

wjneto said:
they fight and still get along
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this guys are soooo crazy

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lol
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Hell, I just might pick one up!
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well as you all know samsung owns 20% of LTE patents,
so if that 1st apple 4G phone comes out,
samsung will be on thier as*es like a mad dog

WiredPirate said:
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How original and unique is the new iPhone 5 right?
Wait... it's just a iPhone 4 + 3 inch
It's hard to believe everyone already knows the design of the iPhone 5 before the unveil which makes me think we're being mislead on purpose

UrbanDesigns said:
How original and unique is the new iPhone 5 right?
Wait... it's just a iPhone 4 + 3 inch
It's hard to believe everyone already knows the design of the iPhone 5 before the unveil which makes me think we're being mislead on purpose
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poor lost souls,
can you imagine how many are expecting that iphone 5 and will get disappointed?
i think even s3 can beat that icrap5
brainwashed by apple

VaderSKN said:
lol
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Really? This is a forum, not Facebook!
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deathnotice01 said:
poor lost souls,
can you imagine how many are expecting that iphone 5 and will get disappointed?
i think even s3 can beat that icrap5
brainwashed by apple
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Well I believe it won't anyway, I think most things will be similar to the S3, not like it matters. They could make the iPhone 5 a single-core phone with a 3 megapixel camera and it would be THE BEST PHONE EVER MADE! The phone gets carried by the hype too much IMO, don't get me wrong it's a great phone but saying it's the best is absurd

UrbanDesigns said:
Well I believe it won't anyway, I think most things will be similar to the S3, not like it matters. They could make the iPhone 5 a single-core phone with a 3 megapixel camera and it would be THE BEST PHONE EVER MADE! The phone gets carried by the hype too much IMO, don't get me wrong it's a great phone but saying it's the best is absurd
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well the number 1 absurd fact for me is the stupid price,
its way tooo expensive for a device of its kind,
the people get too carried away

deathnotice01 said:
poor lost souls,
can you imagine how many are expecting that iphone 5 and will get disappointed?
i think even s3 can beat that icrap5
brainwashed by apple
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I am glad that these people will get dissapointed, there is only iphone in their minds and something like this: Is iphone the best phone?
ArmorD said:
Really? This is a forum, not Facebook!
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I know.
And today, one guy asked me if iphone was better than One X. I asked how much cores does iphone have, and he asked what cores is.
Really?

iphones are bought mostly by dumb peoples who don't know sh!t about technology, fact is they are way too expensive for the specs they offer... i'd rather stick to cheapest, sh!ttiest android phone (which still have much more to offer, great customization, and custom roms) instead of buying icrap

ArmorD said:
Really? This is a forum, not Facebook!
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Lol :silly:

deathnotice01 said:
well the number 1 absurd fact for me is the stupid price,
its way tooo expensive for a device of its kind,
the people get too carried away
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Yep, like everything else it's overpriced because of the name.
Look at Dr.Dre beats headphones, you'll never see anything as over-priced in your life, they're just above standard headphones with a "b" on the side to remind everyone else that you're better then them, it's just silly (I even own a pair and can say I never use them)

yackovsky said:
iphones are bought mostly by dumb peoples who don't know sh!t about technology, fact is they are way too expensive for the specs they offer... i'd rather stick to cheapest, sh!ttiest android phone (which still have much more to offer, great customization, and custom roms) instead of buying icrap
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Well, the Moto RAZR and Galaxy SIII aren't worth $699 new in box either Freaking old as dirt Android devices are still ridiculously expensive and most of the time can only be bought from the carrier if you want them from a retail space. Sony is about the only company that offers new phones at decent prices. Google releases their Nexus devices at fair retail as well, but their made by different manufacturers so that's a slightly different horse.
Let's just not act like Apple is the only one who beats their customers in the head.

Life span of ASUS 7

My ASUS 7 stopped working (no way to power it up) for no reason after two month. It is in RMA now. I checked the review on Amazon and find I am not the only case. I lost all the data I have on the device. Just want to bring your attention. Backup you data, now!
I will not trust the quality of ASUS's product any more.

Asus has a consensus of having high quality products. From monitors to computer components. There is always a percentage of products that ultimately fail though. You were one of the unlucky ones. It's basic statistics.
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williamweaver said:
Asus has a consensus of having high quality products. From monitors to computer components. There is always a percentage of products that ultimately fail though. You were one of the unlucky ones. It's basic statistics.
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True or not. But, I am really not that lucky. I owned an ASUS transformer too. It has been RMA once so far. Too me, 100% of ASUS products (I have) have quality issue. It's is a small sample though
I had been used several Sony Palms for years without any issue. So...

all tablets have high failure rate
when you squeeze as much stuff on the small chips and into the case behind a big battery you really make failure rate higher.
SEARCH For complaints about any Tablet or Cell phone.You will find they all have high rate of going bad..
Buy a Square trade or equal warranty is your only solution.. Making a new thread to tell us what we already know does not change the situation..
Good Luck with your RMA..
Erica Renee.. the geeky chic

Sorry to her that it happened to you to ,I heard it happened to a few other people too
Asus did bed job on quality control on this line
It like it being assemble on monkey island
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Asus usually offers pretty high quality products. Quality control, that's another issue altogether.
But I still have an Asus CD-Rom drive from 1998 that still works perfectly.

lobl said:
Story to her they it happened to you to I heard to a few other people too
Asus did bed job on quality control on this line
It like it being assemble on monkey island
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ynrozturk said:
Asus usually offers pretty high quality products. Quality control, that's another issue altogether.
But I still have an Asus CD-Rom drive from 1998 that still works perfectly.
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I have a old desk side computer with an Asus motherboard from 1998 that still operates correctly. (Mostly it sits in the basement gathering dust though)
What does that mean though? Absolutely nothing, just the same as the OP's report.
Unfortunately, you can't judge the average defect level of a product by looking at forum reports - they suffer from a common statistical hazard known as "availability bias".
I estimate that Asus has shipped more than 5 million N7 devices. IF they had a defect level of 0.1%, that would be 5000 defective devices. That would be a flood of forum reports - despite the 4,995,000 satisfied customers that say nothing.
The only useful info that I get from the OP is that Asus is honoring their warranty; that seems like good news, not bad news.
cheers

A tech company with anything less than 30% failure/defect rate is considered exceptional.
Show me a tablet/phone/pc maker without any DOA customers.

I used to work at Toshiba. If you guys had any idea on what the return rate on some of the older Satellite series laptops were, you lose hope in humanity.
85% it was. All faulty motherboards. You'd pull out a USB mouse and the USB port would come right off the motherboard. And if you didn't have that problem, chances were high that you'd have three or four other serious problems with the board.

ynrozturk said:
I used to work at Toshiba. If you guys had any idea on what the return rate on some of the older Satellite series laptops were, you lose hope in humanity.
85% it was. All faulty motherboards. You'd pull out a USB mouse and the USB port would come right off the motherboard. And if you didn't have that problem, chances were high that you'd have three or four other serious problems with the board.
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As an end user of one of those laptops, I would have to agree. But ASUS honoured their warranties unlike other competing companies at the time, which speaks volumes for their customer care. (Toshiba, when I needed repairs, kinda dragged their feet... alot, I must say. But the ASUS laptop got to replace the Toshiba still works today - yes I know that doesn't prove much when comparing to N7 but still)
And we can be sure that no company intends to sell damaged goods (although i sometimes suspect some do... but that is for a different topic) so, but sometimes things in the manufacturing process on certain types of devices will cause problems. It does not mean the company is bad and normally those problems would be solved after optimizations of the manufacturing process, or discontinuing of certain models.
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I have had issues with most Sony electronics except the ps3 so I don't mess with them for much
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drakenabarion said:
As an end user of one of those laptops, I would have to agree. But ASUS honoured their warranties unlike other competing companies at the time, which speaks volumes for their customer care. (Toshiba, when I needed repairs, kinda dragged their feet... alot, I must say. But the ASUS laptop got to replace the Toshiba still works today - yes I know that doesn't prove much when comparing to N7 but still)
And we can be sure that no company intends to sell damaged goods (although i sometimes suspect some do... but that is for a different topic) so, but sometimes things in the manufacturing process on certain types of devices will cause problems. It does not mean the company is bad and normally those problems would be solved after optimizations of the manufacturing process, or discontinuing of certain models.
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Toshiba is the worst I had a thrive prior to the n7 and I liked the concept and device but hated dealing with Toshiba when it went wrong.
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prbgd said:
My ASUS 7 stopped working (no way to power it up) for no reason after two month. It is in RMA now. I checked the review on Amazon and find I am not the only case. I lost all the data I have on the device. Just want to bring your attention. Backup you data, now!
I will not trust the quality of ASUS's product any more.
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Did they at least replace it for you/was it covered by warranty?
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Ask any Samsung Moment about failure rate...
Oh wait I was a Samsung Moment owner.. Every-Single-Unit was a failure with a defective main board that would randomly lock up the CDMA radio and rebooting was the only way to restore it. Add to the awesome GPS radio that would lock on 30% of the time you tried using it.

ynrozturk said:
Asus usually offers pretty high quality products. Quality control, that's another issue altogether.
But I still have an Asus CD-Rom drive from 1998 that still works perfectly.
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Even in the PC world ASUS's quality is becoming garbage. They were once prided as reliable and high performance. Nowadays their really just mashing together parts and selling them.
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I cam closing this, if for no other reason, than it serves no purpose but to argue. Everyone's story is their own, and does not give any data about quality. If you have a problem, that sucks, and i know it can be a real downer. Contact the company, and push for good service.. that is all we can ever do...

Post benchmark tests here.

I did a bench mark using antutu and when I was buying this phone I could have went with the One X. But I didn't and now I'm glad.not only do I get better battery life but checkout the bench mark test.!
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Post your benchmarks here, let's see if anyone can do better.
By the way I did that with the default CPU governer with no over clock.
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That's about what i got with overclock too...15,8xx

hengsheng120 said:
That's about what i got with overclock too...15,8xx
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what did you overclock to?

Antutu gives a combined score. While our devices may score overall close to one x, nexus 4, and s3 it scores differently in categories. Basically htc first scores mediocre at cpu, ram and flash tests but makes up for it in graphics tests. Such comparison is inherently biased because it depends on how antutu weighs the separate tests. Bottom line is that you should not expect htc first to be better running anything that is not graphically intensive, meaning its not quite as good for everyday apps.
I do own a one x which I will be selling off soon. I like the ergonomics and form factor of the first much better and the lower performance does not bother me
Having diassembled htc first I do not recommend overclocking it. The board is very small (compared to others) and components are tightly packed so there is no adequate pcb surface area for heat dissipation. There is no heatsink and the plastic shell of the phone does not help dissipate heat. One mini will perhaps be better at that.
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r00tb33r said:
Antutu gives a combined score. While our devices may score overall close to one x, nexus 4, and s3 it scores differently in categories. Basically htc first scores mediocre at cpu, ram and flash tests but makes up for it in graphics tests. Such comparison is inherently biased because it depends on how antutu weighs the separate tests. Bottom line is that you should not expect htc first to be better running anything that is not graphically intensive, meaning its not quite as good for everyday apps.
I do own a one x which I will be selling off soon. I like the ergonomics and form factor of the first much better and the lower performance does not bother me
Having diassembled htc first I do not recommend overclocking it. The board is very small (compared to others) and components are tightly packed so there is no adequate pcb surface area for heat dissipation. There is no heatsink and the plastic shell of the phone does not help dissipate heat. One mini will perhaps be better at that.
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Yes I noticed brief and almost unoticablr lag in my launcher. And yes I know how antutu works. But each phone has its strengths you know.
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16001 with unalterded cpu clock settings (; just a few minor tweaks

21203? That's a custom test I believe with them all selected?
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21203? That's a custom test I believe with them all selected?
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Damn, pretty impressive. Do you have a standalone power amp connected to the phone along with 4 more external cores attached inside a refrigerator?

abrahammmmmmm_ said:
Damn, pretty impressive. Do you have a standalone power amp connected to the phone along with 4 more external cores attached inside a refrigerator?
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hahaha i wish. at one point i wanted to do that, buy a proccessor and physicaly replace my phones proc to a new one haha

russian392 said:
hahaha i wish. at one point i wanted to do that, buy a proccessor and physicaly replace my phones proc to a new one haha
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I've actually tried doing something like that to some extent. When 2 years ago when I tried adding a Samsung galaxy s 2 camera to my $200 prepaid 800mhz phone without a GPU lol I figured since they both used the same adaptors and the camera was a standalone hardware component it'd be easy even though the camera one the s2 was bigger I could just make a cut out on my cheap phone. But as many phone's specs & performance it was allot better on paper

abrahammmmmmm_ said:
I've actually tried doing something like that to some extent. When 2 years ago when I tried adding a Samsung galaxy s 2 camera to my $200 prepaid 800mhz phone without a GPU lol I figured since they both used the same adaptors and the camera was a standalone hardware component it'd be easy even though the camera one the s2 was bigger I could just make a cut out on my cheap phone. But as many phone's specs & performance it was allot better on paper
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i think the most probable thing to do with a phone as far as hardware modding would be either ram or rom expansion? cause those are standalone chipsets and components. while cpu is like welded (saudered) onto a other chip

Here you go. First vs One!
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russian392 said:
i think the most probable thing to do with a phone as far as hardware modding would be either ram or rom expansion? cause those are standalone chipsets and components. while cpu is like welded (saudered) onto a other chip
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No. Both RAM and onboard flash are soldered onto the board via BGA mounting on all current phones. Without a vacuum rig, a reflow oven and a bucketload of lucky paws you should just forget about it.

r00tb33r said:
No. Both RAM and onboard flash are soldered onto the board via BGA mounting on all current phones. Without a vacuum rig, a reflow oven and a bucketload of lucky paws you should just forget about it.
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Darn it. Why can't they make a smartphone at least "like" a PC. So that no matter what, you can install anything and change hardware. I think that's what that "block" phone or Lego phone did or what ever its called
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russian392 said:
Darn it. Why can't they make a smartphone at least "like" a PC. So that no matter what, you can install anything and change hardware. I think that's what that "block" phone or Lego phone did or what ever its called
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There are a couple concepts out right now in progress. The bigger one of the two is called Project Ara by Motorola. The other is called Phonebloks.
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There are a couple concepts out right now in progress. The bigger one of the two is called Project Ara by Motorola. The other is called Phonebloks.
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I know if project Ara but I feel as if we would have to say goodbye to developing if that suddenly took off

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There are a couple concepts out right now in progress. The bigger one of the two is called Project Ara by Motorola. The other is called Phonebloks.
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Yep, phone blocks thats what i meant. cool consept, but will be quite hard to actualy make effective, i mean to make a phone 1. be durable using that system would be hard, it could just fall apart. 2. the screen is ONE piece, meaning how is that a block? 3. The blocks will be quite thick i think there for my htc first would be like what 11mm thick minimum? and so on.
GREAT concept though, nothing against it. Personally the best concept out there at the moment is the Jolla Sailfish phone.
EDIT. just looked up project ara, the whole idea of a modular phone is Feasible, but it wouldn't actually work. Reason? well, remember when android came out, and then about at the point of android 2.2 foyo with the droid X, the whole "android" thing was counted as a big joke. although by us tech geeks who are actually interested in how technology works, advances and so on, its easy, the better choice is the Droid X. But for 90 percent of people it was still the iphone, and still is for a big chunk of the world. what has happened is that apple stopped making a big deal out of the whole "android copied us" thing. So now, androids are still NOT appealing to people who are NOT interested in any way in technology, therefore number one choice would be an iPhone. now for us tech geeks, its easy to go and move on to project ara or phone blocks, cause we like doing that, getting something cooler and better and so on. But now that people have finally figured out android and its versions and manufacturers and have "settled down", for them to acquire more knowledge about processors and ram and cameras and screens and ppi and so on, is too much work (um...no more like 10 minutes worth of research on Google) but people will be to lazy to actually take interest cause its "too complicated" like all my fellow iphone lovers say. Seriously have you ever talked to a hardcore apple fan who has never even SEEN an android like the htc one let alone touched it and used it? YOU CANT talk to them, they just wont listen. no imagine telling them about phone blocks! they will say...cool...and thats it, they will be to lazy and to arrogant to drop what they have now and move on.
so will it work? um, maybe. it would be like Microsoft holding a few percent of marketshare. and as for popularity...once people get into "using their own heads"...they will give up. so it will work practicaly, but in the real world...it wont work WELL
well, all i can say is hail progress, technology, and android :/
But we will be able to have fun trying to see who can get the best benchmark score! hahaha

russian392 said:
Yep, phone blocks thats what i meant. cool consept, but will be quite hard to actualy make effective, i mean to make a phone 1. be durable using that system would be hard, it could just fall apart. 2. the screen is ONE piece, meaning how is that a block? 3. The blocks will be quite thick i think there for my htc first would be like what 11mm thick minimum? and so on.
GREAT concept though, nothing against it. Personally the best concept out there at the moment is the Jolla Sailfish phone.
EDIT. just looked up project ara, the whole idea of a modular phone is Feasible, but it wouldn't actually work. Reason? well, remember when android came out, and then about at the point of android 2.2 foyo with the droid X, the whole "android" thing was counted as a big joke. although by us tech geeks who are actually interested in how technology works, advances and so on, its easy, the better choice is the Droid X. But for 90 percent of people it was still the iphone, and still is for a big chunk of the world. what has happened is that apple stopped making a big deal out of the whole "android copied us" thing. So now, androids are still NOT appealing to people who are NOT interested in any way in technology, therefore number one choice would be an iPhone. now for us tech geeks, its easy to go and move on to project ara or phone blocks, cause we like doing that, getting something cooler and better and so on. But now that people have finally figured out android and its versions and manufacturers and have "settled down", for them to acquire more knowledge about processors and ram and cameras and screens and ppi and so on, is too much work (um...no more like 10 minutes worth of research on Google) but people will be to lazy to actually take interest cause its "too complicated" like all my fellow iphone lovers say. Seriously have you ever talked to a hardcore apple fan who has never even SEEN an android like the htc one let alone touched it and used it? YOU CANT talk to them, they just wont listen. no imagine telling them about phone blocks! they will say...cool...and thats it, they will be to lazy and to arrogant to drop what they have now and move on.
so will it work? um, maybe. it would be like Microsoft holding a few percent of marketshare. and as for popularity...once people get into "using their own heads"...they will give up. so it will work practicaly, but in the real world...it wont work WELL
well, all i can say is hail progress, technology, and android :/
But we will be able to have fun trying to see who can get the best benchmark score! hahaha
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Quick point, Android currently has most of the market share. I believe it's 52%? While apple is at like 25?
Ara is closer to completion, though this is only the first version. Also remember Google owns Motorola lol.
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ohthesepaws said:
Quick point, Android currently has most of the market share. I believe it's 52%? While apple is at like 25?
Ara is closer to completion, though this is only the first version. Also remember Google owns Motorola lol.
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last time i check its 73%

Phandroid says price drop means a failure

It never stops amazing me Phandroid reports the price of Galaxy Gear maybe going down and this is failure.
Prices of all devices drop after several months did the reporters at Phandroid forget this fact? It is one of the reasons being a early adopter is not always wise.
This is the first Smart Watch to have dedicated forum on this site. Is that a sign of failure?
I am sick of people saying how badly the watch is doing.

AstroDigital said:
It never stops amazing me Phandroid reports the price of Galaxy Gear maybe going down and this is failure.
Prices of all devices drop after several months did the reporters at Phandroid forget this fact? It is one of the reasons being a early adopter is not always wise.
This is the first Smart Watch to have dedicated forum on this site. Is that a sign of failure?
I am sick of people saying how badly the watch is doing.
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sometimes it does means failure. but we have to ask ourselves if Samsung plan was actually to make Gear a 'non failure' device or they just wanted to get it first on the market. Pebble or Sony Smartwatch 2 are far from what I would have call a "smart watch".
either way - launching gear was a failure. compatible with only Note 3 at the beginning, terrible battery life, no external notifications, lack of software etc. it was limited on purpose, but for no reason. gear is powerful enough to be working with all modern smartphones. so yes, i judge the device on the release day - why would i care what it will become in few weeks/months? stock Gear is **** and the only reason why i keep it is because i can use it the way i want it to - not some korean creeps designing my menu..
thank you f0mey for saving this product!

hurdlejade said:
sometimes it does means failure. but we have to ask ourselves if Samsung plan was actually to make Gear a 'non failure' device or they just wanted to get it first on the market. Pebble or Sony Smartwatch 2 are far from what I would have call a "smart watch".
either way - launching gear was a failure. compatible with only Note 3 at the beginning, terrible battery life, no external notifications, lack of software etc. it was limited on purpose, but for no reason. gear is powerful enough to be working with all modern smartphones. so yes, i judge the device on the release day - why would i care what it will become in few weeks/months? stock Gear is **** and the only reason why i keep it is because i can use it the way i want it to - not some korean creeps designing my menu..
thank you f0mey for saving this product!
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Still have not used or tried the Null Rom, it is my understanding all it does is replace the Touchwiz interface.
Gapps means nothing to me because my Note does not support bluetooth tethering.
.... but that is off my own Topic, still believe if the price drops it is mainly due to normal life cycle.
Have not bought a device yet that I could not get at least $100 cheaper in 3 months, the Gear is 3 months old.

it's completely normal for all electronic devices to go cheaper with time.
null does not replace touchwiz interface, it allows you to use any interface of your choice. you like nova launcher you can use it. you prefer google experience? the world is yours. it allows bluetooth tethering, two way sync, direct dial shortcut and way way more. if you haven't tried it yet then maybe it's just not for you (surprisingly there are people out there who are happy with stock thing ).
i use my gear - for other than notifications, time and calling/camera - for viewing agenda, to-do list, displaying some text on it, calculator and more.. and nothing of it could be achieved without null.

hurdlejade said:
i use my gear - for other than notifications, time and calling/camera - for viewing agenda, to-do list, displaying some text on it, calculator and more.. and nothing of it could be achieved without null.
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before i used null i had root and could install and use all the things you mentioned above. i love null but just saying that it was still great without it and better with it.

Or it simply means there trying to clear stock for the next release of the gear which is expected to be in 3 weeks.

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Or it simply means there trying to clear stock for the next release of the gear which is expected to be in 3 weeks.
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so glad i bought mine 38 days ago for 299 LOL
i dont get mad about this kind of stuff. if i did i would never buy anything with concerns that it will be cheaper in a month

fletch33 said:
so glad i bought mine 38 days ago for 299 LOL
i dont get mad about this kind of stuff. if i did i would never buy anything with concerns that it will be cheaper in a month
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No kidding.
I paid $299 for mine the day they where released but I love the thing.
If you worried about things like TVs/cameras/stereo equipment etc. going down in price you ill never buy anything.

I don't know where all these rumors are coming from for a galaxy gear 2 already being released. That's just downright stupid... The note 3 and gear were just released a few months ago! The things still brand new and the N3 is still the best phone on the market right now.
Releases are done typically once a year... hence iphones, Samsung galaxy devices etc... its not every 3 months...
You guys are basically saying they would be making three different models per year if they are releasing the GG2 this fast... then another 4 months the Gear 3? Waayyy to fast.
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Joe92T said:
I don't know where all these rumors are coming from for a galaxy gear 2 already being released. That's just downright stupid... The note 3 and gear were just released a few months ago! The things still brand new and the N3 is still the best phone on the market right now.
Releases are done typically once a year... hence iphones, Samsung galaxy devices etc... its not every 3 months...
You guys are basically saying they would be making three different models per year if they are releasing the GG2 this fast... then another 4 months the Gear 3? Waayyy to fast.
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i understand your logic and thoughts on this however wearables are very new and could be updated at first much faster to address things they just didnt know until they released what they thought was the right mixture of style, performance, apps, etc, etc...
i consider myself generally an early adopter and look at this:
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although i am in the early adopter category most of the time i sometimes want to read and see what happens with something before i jump (usually depends on cost) and Gear was just really about is it really useful.
here is my opinion:
1. i saw some usefulness in it but not day 1
2. i finally had to know what it is all about myself and so i bought one actually expecting to return it since i have 30 days as a BB platinum 30 day no restocking fee customer
3. after 3 days and finding this section of XDA i knew i was keeping it
4. i can see where improvements could be made
5. i do not in any way regret my purchase even at $299/US
6. i personally would LOVE a new edition
7. the new edition would have to really prove itself as having enough to get me to upgrade
8. even if the next edition doesnt motivate me i will probably upgrade because thats just what i do
dont let new models even if its 4 months later upset you and instead appreciate what you have and decide if the newer model comes out in a date faster then what you feel is fair.
as long as Samsung continues to support this model for a decent amount of time then what difference does it make that a different model is released and if it works for you as it is then you can continue to enjoy it

Joe92T said:
I don't know where all these rumors are coming from for a galaxy gear 2 already being released. That's just downright stupid... The note 3 and gear were just released a few months ago! The things still brand new and the N3 is still the best phone on the market right now.
Releases are done typically once a year... hence iphones, Samsung galaxy devices etc... its not every 3 months...
You guys are basically saying they would be making three different models per year if they are releasing the GG2 this fast... then another 4 months the Gear 3? Waayyy to fast.
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May not be released in February, although the announcement of the new gear 2 could easily be made in late February.
HERE.

Joe92T said:
I don't know where all these rumors are coming from for a galaxy gear 2 already being released. That's just downright stupid... The note 3 and gear were just released a few months ago! The things still brand new and the N3 is still the best phone on the market right now.
Releases are done typically once a year... hence iphones, Samsung galaxy devices etc... its not every 3 months...
You guys are basically saying they would be making three different models per year if they are releasing the GG2 this fast... then another 4 months the Gear 3? Waayyy to fast.
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The galaxy gear was released Sept 4th. Thats almost 6 months ago!! Samsung releases 2 flagship phones a year. Thats once every 6 months. The S4 came out in march. 6 months later the note 3 in late Sept. The S5 is to be unveiled Feb 24th and probably released early March. Why wouldn't Samsung release the Galaxy Gear 2 then? I bet you they do!!!!!!!! Samsung is hurting right now for pieces of the cellphone market. They've got to pull out all their tricks.

AstroDigital said:
It never stops amazing me Phandroid reports the price of Galaxy Gear maybe going down and this is failure.
Prices of all devices drop after several months did the reporters at Phandroid forget this fact? It is one of the reasons being a early adopter is not always wise.
This is the first Smart Watch to have dedicated forum on this site. Is that a sign of failure?
I am sick of people saying how badly the watch is doing.
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Don't be so emotional about a watch. Samsung definitely over priced this thing.
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barondebxl said:
Don't be so emotional about a watch. Samsung definitely over priced this thing.
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Pricing is relative. I paid heaps to get Google glass. First gen is always expensive
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I think Samsung will continue to support the GG when GG2 is released be silly for them not to.
What will intrest me is if the GG2 Firmware & software can be ported over to the GG.

google glass is not a widely available consumer product yet, it's meant for developers (and celebrities , unlike gear which you can get in almost any electronic/phone store.

barondebxl said:
Don't be so emotional about a watch. Samsung definitely over priced this thing.
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Could be, likely true.
.... but they are all over priced when you have to get something first.

Brendo said:
Pricing is relative. I paid heaps to get Google glass. First gen is always expensive
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Its subjective.....right. That's why the majority feels like this thing its overpriced.
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440bro said:
Samsung is hurting right now for pieces of the cellphone market. They've got to pull out all their tricks.
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Care to extrapolate on that? Samsung is, bay far, the largest manufacture of mobiles. How are they "Hurting"?

440bro said:
The galaxy gear was released Sept 4th. Thats almost 6 months ago!! Samsung releases 2 flagship phones a year. Thats once every 6 months. The S4 came out in march. 6 months later the note 3 in late Sept. The S5 is to be unveiled Feb 24th and probably released early March. Why wouldn't Samsung release the Galaxy Gear 2 then? I bet you they do!!!!!!!! Samsung is hurting right now for pieces of the cellphone market. They've got to pull out all their tricks.
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Samsung is hurting how exactly? Do u have any evidence or anything like that? Cause last time I checked they were the largest mobile manufacturers in the world.
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So, I traded my Note 4...

For an iPhone 6 Plus...
Someone please..shoot me

bad mistake i went the other way you have gone to the dark side.

The Black Droid said:
For an iPhone 6 Plus...
Someone please..shoot me
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you will be back after your iphone goes all floppy and bends.

Ironically, the first app I tried to download on it was the XDA premium app...I just sat there for a second when it was nowhere to be found..

The Black Droid said:
Ironically, the first app I tried to download on it was the XDA premium app...I just sat there for a second when it was nowhere to be found..
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You should try downloading the #bendgate app.It will make your iPhone more fabulous.

As first, my deep condolences.
Second,what is purpose of this thread ?
iCrap does not belong here so consider to join some iCrap community.

The Black Droid said:
Ironically, the first app I tried to download on it was the XDA premium app...I just sat there for a second when it was nowhere to be found..
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That's coincidental, not irony.... But if Alanis Morissette got it wrong, you can't blame others for doing same.
Besides use Tapatalk instead. It actually works better on the iPhone 6+ than Note 4 (you see more content/posts on it).
I have both the 6+ & Note 4 (and a moto x 2014) and contrary to popular belief the two can co-exist very happily - both great phones. My app usage is near identical between them too.
Both have great screens and great battery life. And after 5 months use, neither my Note 4 has a gap gate issue or iPhone 6+ bend gate issue....
I don't understand why some in android or apple communities get so insecure about these things. Just enjoy whatever device you are using.
That being said I'm not sure why your post is entirely relevant here and will inevitably stir up a hornets nest.

I must admit I have thought about it while sitting here waiting for lollipop. Considered the Nexus 6 as well, but at the end of the day this Note can do things that none of the competition can. The pen mostly but the removable battery and sd card are also nice. 6+ would be ok if I got the 128gb version but here in New Zealand a 32gb Nexus 6 costs the same as a note 4 so it's a total no brainer, lollipop or not.

The Black Droid said:
For an iPhone 6 Plus...
Someone please..shoot me
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why? Just interested...

I actually had the same thought, because I admire the beauty of the iPhone. But after taking a look I realized that they wanted me to pay extra cash for the exchange which is ridiculous since they get a better phone from me then I get from them.. But I might trade phones, just to try out the 6+ someday..

Im waiting for "IPhone 17 plus +" until then I stick with Note series.
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I actually think it's not a bad idea at all. I've been with Andorid since the start and never had an Iphone, but there's tons of apps that have better support on iOS/apps that are not on Android at all. anyway..why not change once in awhile and try new things right? maybe i'll do it with my next phone

I made complete research, and just for change of taste, i went to buy an iphone 6+, got it booked here in Pakistan. but ended up buying a Note 4, and my first 2-3 days were of full depression because of battery drains but now its all fine. the only regret i have is the sound quality i was having with htc one m8 before, otherwise note4 is soooo awesome <3

After just one day with it, I quite content with it. Seems to be pretty solid...so far.

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Even that regular coffee for $4 is overpriced. You can get a refusal coffee at Starbucks for $2.50.
Sorry had to point that out. Lol
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The fact that you can't use NFC (no secure token such as yubikey) for anything other than ApplePay, or that you can't use openvpn or PGP on an iPhone makes it an unsuitable/undesirable device for me. I hate how you can only run software endorsed by Apple on a device you paid for.

mathieulh said:
The fact that you can't use NFC (no secure token such as yubikey) for anything other than ApplePay, or that you can't use openvpn or PGP on an iPhone makes it an unsuitable/undesirable device for me. I hate how you can only run software endorsed by Apple on a device you paid for.
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Agree but that's how they maintain the pubic perception that their platform is stable, secure and reliable. In reality it's no better that a high end Android these days, it's just that it's much easier for Android users to completely bork their phone by installing badly built apps.
Also iOS is easier to develop for, so long as you're compatible with the latest iOS you don't really need to worry about much else. Android is completely different. People could be running your app on anything from gingerbread to lollipop, have from a 1ghz single core cpu to a quad/octa core monster, 512mb to 3gb ram, 600x800 up to 1440x2560 screen res, etc etc.
In other words I couldn't give a **** for iOS, but the app ecosystem is kind of tempting.

nookcoloruser said:
That's coincidental, not irony.... But if Alanis Morissette got it wrong, you can't blame others for doing same.
Besides use Tapatalk instead. It actually works better on the iPhone 6+ than Note 4 (you see more content/posts on it).
I have both the 6+ & Note 4 (and a moto x 2014) and contrary to popular belief the two can co-exist very happily - both great phones. My app usage is near identical between them too.
Both have great screens and great battery life. And after 5 months use, neither my Note 4 has a gap gate issue or iPhone 6+ bend gate issue....
I don't understand why some in android or apple communities get so insecure about these things. Just enjoy whatever device you are using.
That being said I'm not sure why your post is entirely relevant here and will inevitably stir up a hornets nest.
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So much of this. I have both the devices too, along with a nexus 6 and i really don't understand the hate on both sides. Plus as others have already said the topic is irrelevant on this forum. There is such a thing as discretion of posting.
That said to the OP, iPhone 6 plus is a fine device. Enjoy the great apps, a great consistent camera and great battery life.

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That's coincidental, not irony.... But if Alanis Morissette got it wrong, you can't blame others for doing same.
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Can you elaborate on this? While your statement holds partial truth, it was also ironic that I tried to download a well-known android app on my iPhone. Never, EVER make me feel like I wasted money on an education again!