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What are these screens supposed to look like? Mine seems OK except the touchscreen goes unresponsive at times. Also, colors are pretty dull and this thing has greys and gamma like a much inferior screen. Didn't reviews say the screen had great blacks, etc? I font have the ghost white hue glitch but it just seems generally washed out to me. Can others chime in?
Also, I know its a great deal so please don't flame, I want to just find out if others have a better experience or that mine is on the more defective end.
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What are these screens supposed to look like? Mine seems OK except the touchscreen goes unresponsive at times. Also, colors are pretty dull and this thing has greys and gamma like a much inferior screen. Didn't reviews say the screen had great blacks, etc? I font have the ghost white hue glitch but it just seems generally washed out to me. Can others chime in?
Also, I know its a great deal so please don't flame, I want to just find out if others have a better experience or that mine is on the more defective end.
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Everything you just said is highly subjective. I love my screen. I think it's great. You may look at it and say its washed out and generally inferior. If you can't post pictures, there's nothing anyone here can do to help you sir. Some people undoubtedly are coming from ultra-high-end screens and will find this one lacking. Most, I think, do not.
My camera doesn't pick it up well but the Black's are not all that dark. I just thought the colors would be a little more saturated. This screen really doesn't look much better than a nook tablet. Its got higher resolution but the color and gamma and blacks are about the same. I guess I will find out once the replacement comes due to the touch issues.
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I've owned many different devices and my n7 is a bit washed out but not bad given the price. Hoping nice more dev builds up we can start playing around with fine tuning the screen
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The screen is easily the Nexus 7's weakest link, but considering the price... it's awesome. It took a little bit to get used to coming from the iPad 3 and its absolutely glorious screen, but I couldn't be happier with my N7.
Glad I'm not the only one that noticed the screen. My biggest problem though is the occasional unresponsiveness of the touchscreen. I'll check on the differences when I get a replacement sent to me. Thanks all for the replies
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I only notice the screen not looking great when I turn down the brightness to about 10-20%. On full brightness it looks amazing though...but I can deal with a little less than vibrant colors on my day-to-day use in order to extend the battery life.
Just glad we have 1280 vs the 1024 the Galaxy Tab 2 7 is using which is just a no go.
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Jayrod1980 said:
What are these screens supposed to look like? Mine seems OK except the touchscreen goes unresponsive at times. Also, colors are pretty dull and this thing has greys and gamma like a much inferior screen. Didn't reviews say the screen had great blacks, etc? I font have the ghost white hue glitch but it just seems generally washed out to me. Can others chime in?
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Have you played the Transformers movie at 30% to 50% brightness because I was blown away by the display when I did that?
The washed out screen was too much for me. I own the galaxy nexus and going from a super AMOLED screen to IPS was very jarring. The light bleeding on the Nexus 7 was pretty bad too, and when you touch the screen you get the 'air pocket' effect. The panel is definitely the worst thing about the device. I got the Samsung galaxy tab 7.7 instead and put CM9 on it, so much happier that I get deep deep blacks and can use it in landscape mode as well. Overall it is a much better tablet, I actually prefer watching movies on it than my 46inch Bravia TV :laugh: Its a very surreal experience, you have to see it to truly understand how amazing it looks
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The washed out screen was too much for me. I own the galaxy nexus and going from a super AMOLED screen to IPS was very jarring. The light bleeding on the Nexus 7 was pretty bad too, and when you touch the screen you get the 'air pocket' effect. The panel is definitely the worst thing about the device. I got the Samsung galaxy tab 7.7 instead and put CM9 on it, so much happier that I get deep deep blacks and can use it in landscape mode as well. Overall it is a much better tablet, I actually prefer watching movies on it than my 46inch Bravia TV :laugh: Its a very surreal experience, you have to see it to truly understand how amazing it looks
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Mine looks amazing, I think you just got a bad device.
I personally love mine. The screen doesn't blow me away but it isn't bad at all. I would appreciate the screen more if I didn't own a One X
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Same for me, if I didn't own a HTC One X, this would be the best screen I've owned on an android device.
But the fact I have a Motorola Xoom too, my Nexus 7 screen is much better!
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N7 screen is in fact a bit dull and washed out, especially on lower brightness (the fact that automatic backlight is calibrated as pretty dim does not help either).
The colours are much, much less vibrant as on my One X (but this phone has really got a top-end gorgeous screen).
However, screen on N7 is noticeably better than on Motorola Xoom in terms of color reproduction and viewing angles.
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N7 screen is in fact a bit dull and washed out, especially on lower brightness (the fact that automatic backlight is calibrated as pretty dim does not help either).
The colours are much, much less vibrant as on my One X (but this phone has really got a top-end gorgeous screen).
However, screen on N7 is noticeably better than on Motorola Xoom in terms of color reproduction and viewing angles.
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Ok, I'll agree here on auto brightness.
It was also too dull & washed out for me.
However, 50% fixed brightness is actually very bright and makes the colours great in my opinion.
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Are colors better on tab 2 7.0?
Nexus 7 has no green
Two things I've noticed about my screen so far, that makes me wonder if we're dealing with defective screens rather than just plain poor quality ones.
First, load an app or picture onto the device that just displays pure 0,0,255 green (if you search for 'dead pixel' I think the first or second app has options to display a solid colour). I find my Nexus is completely unable to display the green properly, instead showing an extremely washed out pastel shade. I've tested this with red and blue and neither of those suffer anything like the same issue as green does. This might be what is contributing to the weird washed out/off-colour look.
Second, this is purely anecdotal, but it seems like the brightness setting of the Nexus is purely software after around the halfway mark. You can easily see the backlight ramping up from 0-50% but beyond that just seems to be a gamma change, which doesn't brighten the screen at all and instead just washes it out further.
If anyone could follow up on these and post their own tests we might be able to get a better idea of where the real issues with this tablet lie. Or whether mine is just a little bit more broken than everyone else's.
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Mine looks amazing, I think you just got a bad device.
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I didn't have a bad device, I had a problem with the IPS technology used in the Nexus 7. If you compare a Super AMOLED plus screen to IPS it looks washed out, and the blacks are pretty poor...Also, you will always get a little bit of light bleeding because of the technology.
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I didn't have a bad device, I had a problem with the IPS technology used in the Nexus 7. If you compare a Super AMOLED plus screen to IPS it looks washed out, and the blacks are pretty poor...Also, you will always get a little bit of light bleeding because of the technology.
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Well, mine still looks amazing. I have a Super AMOLED Plus screen on my Galaxy Note, this looks pretty darn close.
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First, load an app or picture onto the device that just displays pure 0,0,255 green (if you search for 'dead pixel' I think the first or second app has options to display a solid colour). I find my Nexus is completely unable to display the green properly, instead showing an extremely washed out pastel shade. I've tested this with red and blue and neither of those suffer anything like the same issue as green does. This might be what is contributing to the weird washed out/off-colour look.
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That's normal.
Anyone noticing a screen door effect with their LCD screen? Mine definitely has it, wondering if this is normal. My last two phones have been AMOLED, so I'm not sure.
Do you mean like this?
Nexus 4 has a pattern on the display.
(I'm trying to consolidate all these threads as more and more people finally get their hands on the phone)
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Do you mean like this?
Nexus 4 has a pattern on the display.
(I'm trying to consolidate all these threads as more and more people finally get their hands on the phone)
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No, it's not dots like the digitizer. It's very fine horizontal and vertical lines like seen on some cheap TN panel monitors.
Unfortunately it's so fine I doubt I could capture it with a picture. But it seems to detract from the sharpness of the screen.
Guessing it's just me. I assume if I think my Galaxy Nexus screen looks better than the Nexus 4, then I probably got a defective Nexus 4. RMA time it seems.
I'm cursed. Had to RMA my Galaxy Nexus a couple times because of the purple effect. My Nexus 7 because of the lifted glass, now this. Ugh.
If I look close, I can make out a very slight screen door effect at times. I'm guessing all of them have this to some extent, but maybe it's worse on yours if it's so noticeable as to bother you.
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No, it's not dots like the digitizer. It's very fine horizontal and vertical lines like seen on some cheap TN panel monitors.
Unfortunately it's so fine I doubt I could capture it with a picture. But it seems to detract from the sharpness of the screen.
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I've noticed it.... Thought I was the only one loll
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Is it as bad as the pentile screens like gs3 or note?
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Can't see it at all on mine, although I'm coming from a 50 dollar cheapo Optimus V so this thing just looks incredible no matter what lol
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Well good news for me, I no longer see this issue on my screen. It seems to have cleared up and it looks sharp and clear now. *Whew* I'm happy and love the screen.
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Well good news for me, I no longer see this issue on my screen. It seems to have cleared up and it looks sharp and clear now. *Whew* I'm happy and love the screen.
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I can definitely see it on mine, grays make it pop out more. It's not too bad to warrant the hassle of trying an exchange, though.
Not sure why it would clear up by itself, but if it does I am not gonna mind it
My LG thrill has that, and so does the HTC inspire.
Its normal I guess
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Is it as bad as the pentile screens like gs3 or note?
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No way, not even close to as bad as pentile.
I also see these vertical lines. Been driving me crazy when I focus on them. No worries though. Great phone.
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I can definitely see it on mine, grays make it pop out more. It's not too bad to warrant the hassle of trying an exchange, though.
Not sure why it would clear up by itself, but if it does I am not gonna mind it
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You are right, it didn't. I think after using a while, I started seeing past it. Then I was messing around with my Galaxy Nexus and tablet. Then went back to the phone and I can notice those lines again.
It also depends on what I'm looking at. It really stands out looking at the XDA forums, on the brown colors (I'm using the XDA 2010 theme).
Edit: My Display Solution is : FauxClock. It has gamma correction and color tweaking. It's a paid app but it's inexpensive and def with it.
You can follow Faux123 work on the Nexus for kernel development as well as it rocks but not necessary for the color/gamma tweaks.
His thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2008222
Hey Nexus 4 Community,
I've read endless articles about how the Nexus 4 display is inferior to the iPhone and is bland and gamma raised way too high. I'm a photo-enthusiast, tech fanatic, and work in the field of mobile apps. With that said, I'd have to agree that the screen is amazing but has many short falls that it quiet frankly shouldn't.
I've dealt with screens from the old Palm Pilot Days (For those of you who remember the Treo ), TFT screens, Amoled (Or Super Amoled as Samsung so articulately imaged, and now IPS. I've dealt with high PPI's, to well... BlackBerry's. In the end, and after my last Galaxy Nexus... I took the screen out of the box and I was blown away with the sharpness and detail. Once that wow factor subsided I then got hit with the "Ummm..." factor of the washed out effect. I was one of the few that got mine from T-Mobile. I've experienced Google in the past shifting colors on releases and it's very frustrating to say the least.
I did some reading-up on tests and internet reviews and apparently our phone (the Nexus 4) actually has a better contrast rating and blacker blacks then even the iPhone 5. But, that doesn't make sense because I have an iPhone 5 (well, my girlfriend does actually) and I "went in" on details and video's to see which screen looked better. The colors in comparison on the Nexus 4, were off. The colors seemed so much more rich on the iPhone 5 as well. Now, trust me, I'm no iSheep. However I do appreciate quality. My Digital lenses (particularly my 85mm 1.4) in my Nikon collection afford me the ability to truly appreciate the low light shooting and quality of what true imagery can render in a photo.
It frustrates me to no end that Google hasn't gotten it right yet on this one. And I do emphasize yet, however I truly believe it's going to take one of you geniuses to actually get this screen calibration corrected. I *do* believe our screen is better then the likes of the Galaxy S3 (though opinions come into play here as some people like the Amoled saturation better) and even the iPhone line-up. I've personally tested the sharpness to be greater than both. With the right game adjustments and color calibration I know this can be done.
I'm not complaining...(well maybe a lil) I love my phone. Best Nexus device to date, IMO, as I've had them all less the Nexus One. I just want to use it at its true potential. I remember tweaking my Nexus S with Voodoo drivers and that made a lot of difference. I've even used FauxClock which I can appreciate for its color tweaking ability on the kernels, including the Nexus 4 one rooted, but I still need game control. I certainly hope if google fails to correct this display issue that someone here gets it right.
Well, that's my rant... oh yeah and one more thing. Those that question those of us who do complain about the washed out look. It's a bit insulting to hear that we are used to certain devices (such as Amoled) as there are so many devices to compare our screens to and unfortunately most give ours that washed out feel. It's unfortunate to have what I believe to be one of the best screens on the market and be hindered like this. Everyone has the right to their opinion and if you like the screen as is... you're not alone as many do, including me. But it can be better. That I know.
In hopes of the Nexus 4 to its utmost potential,
Rome
(PS. All of our phones are slightly different in regards to the screens, so what might be slightly greener on mine might be a touch more red on yours. Just remember that everyone's experience differs.)
Have you tried this?
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Have you tried this?
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.nexus4displaycontrol
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Hi and thanks for the recommendation. I have tried that and it distorts the colors even worse for me over 255 making all of my white yellow.
My colors currently aren't horrible or anything but could use improvement but more over I'm even more interested in the gamma to be lowered so blacks on the app page and over all color isn't as washed out.
Thanks for taking time to try and help though. Its appreciated.
Rome
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Supposedly the developer of that app is working on a gamma setting feature for a future version.
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Supposedly the developer of that app is working on a gamma setting feature for a future version.
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That would be awesome. I'll be looking out for that. Thanks for the info.
Rome
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Supposedly the developer of that app is working on a gamma setting feature for a future version.
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Can wait for it, the screen is too warm, the white looks yellow
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The screen is a bit washed out. Colors just seem to be a tad light. Also, it seems that blues are a bit undersaturated.
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The screen is a bit washed out. Colors just seem to be a tad light. Also, it seems that blues are a bit undersaturated.
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My issues seem to fall right in line with yours. Undersaturated aka high gamma. Also washed out colors.
Despite my initial post stating the screen is beautiful and device just needs some tweaking such as gamma controls and color adjustment I'm sure people will start with the whole "we are used to amoled" crap Lol so be prepared to hear it.
That a side I'm happy but could be fully content with those adjustments in a new release or tools to fix these issues as Google hasn't normally in the past corrected color calibration issues in a timely manor in the past, if ever at all.
Lastly it seems there are a good bunch who are dealing with the yellowish screen issue (I'm not personally) and not sure if that goes away in time as I've heard that could be do to the glue on the screen. Again not sure as I'm not experiencing it.
Rome
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Can wait for it, the screen is too warm, the white looks yellow
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here is a picture, left side old one which i sent back cause it had a cracked in the back glass and right side the one i have and it seems like the yellow tint killin it.
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/64014163/DSCN0649.JPG
romeoliny said:
My issues seem to fall right in line with yours. Undersaturated aka high gamma. Also washed out colors.
Despite my initial post stating the screen is beautiful and device just needs some tweaking such as gamma controls and color adjustment I'm sure people will start with the whole we are used to smiled crap Lol so be prepared to hear it.
That a side I'm happy but could be fully content with those adjustments in a new release or tools to fix these issues as Google hasn't normally in the past corrected color calibration issues in a timely manor in the past, if ever at all.
Lastly it seems there are a good bunch who are dealing with the yellowish screen issue (I'm not personally) and not sure if that goes away in time as I've heard that could be do to the glue on the screen. Again not sure as I'm not experiencing it.
Rome
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Yeah, I actually think this screen is worlds better than Super AMOLED even with the slightly faded color pallette. My point of comparison is the SLCD on the HTC Sensation. While not an IPS screen, the colors are definitely deeper and more vivid than the Nexus 4, especially the blues (see image).
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here is a picture, left side old one which i sent back cause it had a cracked in the back glass and right side the one i have and it seems like the yellow tint killin it.
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Wow that's definitely some serious yellow tinting going on there v thanks for sharing the pictures and I hope the fix comes soon for that
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Yeah, I actually think this screen is worlds better than Super AMOLED even with the slightly faded color pallette. My point of comparison is the SLCD on the HTC Sensation. While not an IPS screen, the colors are definitely deeper and more vivid than the Nexus 4, especially the blues (see image).
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I see what you mean. From the picture it also appears you're dealing with the yellow tinting as well. But the blues are of for sure. My blue seems a bit on the purple side. I played a video by Katy Perry (the one with the blue hair on vevo in hd to see the resolution/quality) on my nexus 4 vs the iPhone 5 and to my surprise I was paying more attention to the colors being so misrepresented I forgot I was comparing sharpness.
Then I checked other videos and i noticed more and more. I guess all of our phones are of in different ways. Sort of complicated the matter further I'd imagine.
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Wow that's definitely some serious yellow tinting going on there v thanks for sharing the pictures and I hope the fix comes soon for that
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yup don't know what to do is this yellow tinted problem hardware or software related?
I'm not picky about colors or displays as long as i can see in bright sunlight. Usually in a dark room at night i notice very faint backlight bleed from the top when screen is dark black @ 30-50% brightness, like in some older LED notebooks.
Hi, can you also compare the whites and sharpness on iPhone 5 and nexus 4 respective screens. I really love reading text on beautiful white screen of iPhone 4S.
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Francisco's work for the GNex was brilliant, including a good bit of calibration tools. He'll get there (he hasn't even received his N4 yet!).
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Supercurio is the man we want working on our screens. He's done absolute magic in the past
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I'm cross-posting my reply to this thread here because it touches on the differences in displays and what I've observed.
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I've heard from a lot of more educated folks and some devs how the common "washed out screen" complaint your seeing is not really accurate at all. Many of us (especially coming from Samsung phones) are used to those SAMOLED displays which oversaturate the colors. The colors you will see on a high quality IPS display like the Nexus 4 are actually a true representation of what they are supposed to look like. At first it is going to appear weird and "washed out" to you, but after adjusting a bit you should be able to appreciate that you are seeing the colors the way they were designed, by Google, to be viewed. Just some info I wanted to pass along
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I'm sorry, but I'm really going to have to beg to differ on this. When I got my Nexus 4 and showed it the my girlfriend next to my Galaxy S II Epic 4G Touch Long Name phone, she instantly said, "The old one looks a lot better." I told her that the SAMOLED screen was merely hyped up because of all the usual reasons, but the difference DID bother me. I told myself, "No, this is more natural. It's not washed out. You're just used to the old screen," but I can't do it any longer. My screen IS washed out; it IS inaccurate. I'm not sure what to do about it.
I'm a semi-pro photographer (meaning I've made money from my work, but it's not my day job; see my stuff here) and thus really picky about image quality and fidelity. I also used to be a DVD reviewer for a couple of major sites and had to calibrate my home theater setups to properly grade A/V quality. I just recalibrated my main computer's display - a Dell UltraSharp U2410 IPS-panel connected via DisplayPort using a GretagMacbeth Eye-One Match 3 calibrator - and compared my current wallpaper (NSFW, so not linked; skin tones are a good source to judge because of the subtleties of complexions) from mine and other Flickr users work and the differences are there and problematic. I even dug out my OG EVO 4G to compare because it was its too-cool/bluish display that paled (no pun) in comparison to the GS2 was what made me thunk down $500 to buy the latter unsubsidized. I had to use the Movie setting in Display properties to get the least-hyped picture because Standard and Vivid were just acid-trip crazy.
Compared to the GS2, the N4's colors are flatter, paler and washed out, especially in highlights on skin which are getting close to being blown out to white. It looks cooler until you throw the EVO into the mix and see what really cool, bluish color cast looks like. When looking at all three, the GS2 looks the closest to the PC monitor; the N4 is clearly less saturated and skewed toward yellow (note: I do NOT see the yellow color cast on pure white that others have reported; it just looks like more red is needed); the EVO looks really cool (blue).
Checking another photo (again NSFW; tanned partial nude woman in vivid magenta leather jacket) shows similar issues. The N4 is flatter in contrast and the highlights are blown out; the wall in back doesn't look creamy, but almost white; the jacket looks pink, not magenta; the burgundy wash on her hair is almost unnoticeable. I couldn't check with the EVO because it's having a cow about updating (gee, it's been offline for 14 months, could that be the problem?) but since it's obsolete, who cares? The GS2 looks really close to the monitor and the N4 doesn't.
Using the LCD test patterns here - LCD monitor test images - the most damning one isn't the Black Level one (browser color profiles seem to mess with it) or the Gamma test (all the phones look waaaay out of whack) but the White Saturation pattern which demonstrates how brighter values are rendering. On my computer, I can see the difference between 254 and the 255 background. The highest the N4 shows is 247, meaning everything from 248 on up looks the same as pure white, 248-254 = 255 = not good. The GS2 goes four steps up to 251 and the difference between getting 96.9% of the way and 98.4% makes a difference. As someone who usually shoots black-clad musicians in dimly-lit clubs with black walls, the difference of a few steps is the difference between seeing a guy in a black shirt in a black room playing guitar or seeing a floating guitar and arm. (This is an all-time worst case example.)
The hardest thing to do in publishing is color management and printers and pre-production houses spend thousands of dollars trying to get their workflow together so that what designers see on the screen will match what's on the page when it's printed. It is said that a man with one clock knows what time it is but a man with two clocks is never sure and what may look fine in isolation may suffer in comparison to something else. (Like how your significant other may be cute, but stand them next to the latest Sexiest Man/Woman Alive and you realize you're in a relationship with a mortal.) The trick is to determine what is CORRECT. For clocks, you get one of those atomic deals and set your watch to that. For displays, you color calibrate and use test patterns.
This is what I've done and while there is a element of personal taste involved - like when you adjust the tone controls on your sound system to boom the bass or whatnot - I'm not interested in preference, but accuracy, and the screen on my Nexus 4 simply isn't accurate. Maybe it's isolated bad unit; maybe it's an issue with 25% of units; who knows? All I know is that some people say it's washed out; others say it's as good as the best-in-class HOX; some try to rationalize what they're seeing by attributing it to the differences between LCD and SAMOLED; and I just want a faithful version of what's being displayed.
Have you tried adjusting using Franco's display control app? Should be able to get pretty close to what you want.
The N4 is already a way better screen than the N7 I'm typing this on.
Edit: A few seconds tweaking got the white level to 253. Gamma as you say is way off..
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I would, but for some reason Play is saying I don't have any qualifying devices and doesn't even show my N4 in the dashboard, so I'm SOL to even try it.
EDIT: Was able to buy it from my phone, but what settings do you use. The lack of even labels on the RGB sliders and no sample image makes tweaking difficult.
EDIT #2: I refunded it because there wasn't enough info to work with in just 15 minutes. I was able to randomly slide things around and get White Saturation block 251 to appear (up from 247) and at one point it almost appeared to get the skin tones on the ballpark, but time ran out. I still think a gamma tweak would do a lot to help as well.
I'm guessing many N4 owners were previously using an S3, Galaxy Nexus, Note (like me) or any other device with an amoled display. I just compared my screen (On the Clock app in night mode) with my dad's One S side by side and although I knew the blacks would never be as good on the N4, it hit me hard - the blacks suck.
I guess that can sound very wrong if taken out of context but in my opinion LG could have done better here, I'd like to hear what you guys think.
Not that it will change anything but a pointless conversation between some black screen enthusiasts - what else is the internet for anyway?
Shaizer out.
No. Just stop.
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kindly elaborate
IMHO, I think you've gotten too used to AMOLED screens.
But, you do notice the non pentile? The more natural colors? Brighter display?
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I'm guessing many N4 owners were previously using an S3, Galaxy Nexus, Note (like me) or any other device with an amoled display. I just compared my screen (On the Clock app in night mode) with my dad's One S side by side and although I knew the blacks would never be as good on the N4, it hit me hard - the blacks suck.
I guess that can sound very wrong if taken out of context but in my opinion LG could have done better here, I'd like to hear what you guys think.
Not that it will change anything but a pointless conversation between some black screen enthusiasts - what else is the internet for anyway?
Shaizer out.
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Just warning you but all the fanboys are going to flame you for posting any criticism, regardless of how true it may be. Brace yourself it had already begun.
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Guess you never ran the black color test to see how bad gradients were on the Note/s3
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Once you go AMOLED black, you never go back
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IMHO, I think you've gotten too used to AMOLED screens.
But, you do notice the non pentile? The more natural colors? Brighter display?
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I got over the colours a while ago, the N4 does seem much more natural and premium but the issue here is the black - I can see it when I turn my lights off - probably will take some more time to get used to that.
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It's an LCD. You knew that when you bought the phone. No need to make another thread complaining about some aspect of this phone, especially something not specific to this phone in any way at all
phositadc said:
Just warning you but all the fanboys are going to flame you for posting any criticism, regardless of how true it may be. Brace yourself it had already begun.
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Haha I don't believe in taboos, I live and feed on internet controversy. I highly doubt anyone can say they prefer the N4 IPS black to amoled black, colours are a different argument but blacks - hands down amoled.
You're wrong in guessing that most people came from an AMOLED screen. I am coming from a One X and the LCDs are beautiful. To each his own.
There are pros and cons to both technologies. *shrug*
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your complaining about a physical constraint of an IPS panel. You can't compare amoled black because it doesn't produce black, its just off.
I'm more happy that I no longer have screen burn in and my movies don't ghost.
Edit: if you compare this IPS to maybe the iPhone IPS then we can have a discussion
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phositadc said:
Just warning you but all the fanboys are going to flame you for posting any criticism, regardless of how true it may be. Brace yourself it had already begun.
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criticism of an already known fact.
the OP stresses an advantage of AMOLEDs and dismisses the various great aspects of LCDs like sharpness, bright display, less power consumption.. etc. he should have known what he was sacrificing when he chose to buy a phone with an LCD display. pointless thread.
The blacks are about as good as it gets on an LCD, TBH. They'll never be as good as AMOLED and if that's important to you then just stick with AMOLED. I've found that I spend a very small amount of time looking at screens with predominantly dark backgrounds, while I spend way more time looking at screens with white backgrounds, like webpages. And the whites on AMOLED are sickly looking.
After a year of having the GNex I can definitively say I like the display on the n4 much better. I am still using a solid black background on my n4 and the blacks seem plenty black to me. Putting them side by side I can definitely see a slight difference in black level but overall the n4 display looks better.
this thread is bordering on the edge of racism methinks!
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I miss the real blacks from the galaxy nexus, but this one is great too.
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phositadc said:
Just warning you but all the fanboys are going to flame you for posting any criticism, regardless of how true it may be. Brace yourself it had already begun.
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I'm coming from a Galaxy S with an AMOLED then a S2 with an AMOLED over the last two and a half years. This screen looks wonderful to me. I haven't sat down and examined the difference between the two screens in different conditions, and tested it or whatever else, but I am quite happy with the screen. I don't think I'm just being a fanboy here and rather being realistic, and I've showed my friends too and they can't see anything wrong with the Nexus' screen.
The screen on this is so incredibly sharp. If you haven't already set your wallpaper to the stock leaf photo and check out the detail.
That being said, has anyone else noticed that most of the app icons aren't nearly sharp enough to do this screen justice? I thought my eyes were going blurry, but it's just the soft edges of the apps that make it look that way.
Also the colors (especially blue) seem to look a lot lighter and not as deep as my galaxy S2. It's probably just the nature of the phone though, as I doubt anything is wrong with it
my eyes have been ruined by Amoled...Everything looks so dull now on a different phone...Hopefully I get used to it.
BrianBaker said:
my eyes have been ruined by Amoled...Everything looks so dull now on a different phone...Hopefully I get used to it.
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I used to think that but with amoled's issue of being grainy at a lower brightness level and being less than half as bright it evens out.
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