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thinking about switching from Sprint to Verizon

I've been with Sprint for 13 years and am thinking heavily about moving to Verizon and the S4 mainly for better coverage and data speed. Who has come from Verizon and what phone features didn't you have with Verizon? I have heard that Verizon doesn't have visual voice mail or google maps navigation. I don't want to go through the hassle of switching if Verizon is so stripped down you can't use the phones.

You'll lose unlimited data. You've been with Sprint for 13 years now, are they not providing good service in your area? Be aware that later this year Sprint will be adding voice carriers on 800Mhz which will greatly increase your voice coverage. Later on they will be adding LTE carrier(s) on 800Mhz as well as part of network vision 2.0 which will greatly increase LTE coverage as well.
But if big red can offer better service for your needs then that will clearly be the better, more expensive, option.
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With Verizon, you'll likely experience slower updates and a couple extra hoops to flash custom ROMs.
If Verizon didn't screw me over in the past, then I'd probably give them a chance again since in my area, they offer the best coverage for data.

mrzood said:
You'll lose unlimited data. You've been with Sprint for 13 years now, are they not providing good service in your area? Be aware that later this year Sprint will be adding voice carriers on 800Mhz which will greatly increase your voice coverage. Later on they will be adding LTE carrier(s) on 800Mhz as well as part of network vision 2.0 which will greatly increase LTE coverage as well.
But if big red can offer better service for your needs then that will clearly be the better, more expensive, option.
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Verizon is light years ahead of Sprint in every aspect of radio technology. Verizon's S4 is the first phone compatible with their AWS network. Sprint is a freaking joke compared to Verizon. Radio technicians completely rag on how bad Sprint is.
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bndfishing said:
I've been with Sprint for 13 years and am thinking heavily about moving to Verizon and the S4 mainly for better coverage and data speed. Who has come from Verizon and what phone features didn't you have with Verizon? I have heard that Verizon doesn't have visual voice mail or google maps navigation. I don't want to go through the hassle of switching if Verizon is so stripped down you can't use the phones.
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Google Maps Navigation is a app from Google, Verizon can't stop you from using it. If you want Visual Voice mail just download something like Google voice.
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GiantJay said:
Verizon is light years ahead of Sprint in every aspect of radio technology. Verizon's S4 is the first phone compatible with their AWS network. Sprint is a freaking joke compared to Verizon. Radio technicians completely rag on how bad Sprint is.
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Google Maps Navigation is a app from Google, Verizon can't stop you from using it. If you want Visual Voice mail just download something like Google voice.
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I've heard radio technicians rave about att, but I don't care. They still are the evil empire IMO.

GiantJay said:
Verizon is light years ahead of Sprint in every aspect of radio technology. Verizon's S4 is the first phone compatible with their AWS network. Sprint is a freaking joke compared to Verizon. Radio technicians completely rag on how bad Sprint is.
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Care to elaborate on what makes Verizons' radio technology so much better than Sprints'? Why do you think AWS is going to be great? If it's any indication from T-Mobile, AWS has absolutely terrible building penetration in metro areas. I don't deny that Verizon has a decent network, I used to use them for my carrier. When they started the tiered data plans and only letting you grandfather unlimited plans by paying for the FULL price of a phone, they started feeling too anti-consumer to me so I left. Having to worry about how much data I use in 2013 is awfully draconian.
We get that Sprints' legacy network is old, slow, and overloaded. Network Vision is replacing EVERY site with new hardware and backhaul. Even 1x only sites will get the full Network Vision treatment(800Mhz CDMA/LTE and 1900Mhz CDMA/LTE). With that said, I've NEVER had one issue with voice coverage with Sprint, only slow data in metro areas. /anecdote
With 800Mhz 1xAdvance/LTE on the horizon, Sprint will be even better.

I've been with Sprint for a while... I 1/2 thought about changing to Verizon this year when my contract was up (I HATE AT&T so I won't switch to them) but honestly it wasn't worth it for me. I have unlimited data, my coverage has been very good. Yes I only have 3g, but for what I use my phone for most of the time, it's fine (I don't surf the web much on my phone or watch Youtube, so...). They are also in the process of putting 4g in my area, although it will probably be a while before it is complete. I also get a discount though work with Sprint so it would cost me a lot more to go to Verizon. Every time I have had to call Sprint Customer Service they have been very helpful (which is only a few times).
In the end, it just wasn't worth it for me to switch.

You'll lose unlimited there customer service sucks there phones are so bloated and have locked bootloaders your Better off going with tmobile it is about the same price as sprint and there hspa+ network is as fast or faster than Lte and it is all ready nation wide.
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Same thing happend to me so I left vzw.
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It all depends on your area to what carrier to go with. That's why they have a 14 day period to cancel service. Ask friends and family about different providers and check out the sensorly app in the Play store for real coverage.
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GiantJay said:
It all depends on your area to what carrier to go with. That's why they have a 14 day period to cancel service. Ask friends and family about different providers and check out the sensorly app in the Play store for real coverage.
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Unfortunately if you're using an EVO lte the coverage map means nothing because I rarely get 4g where the map says I should have 2 bars. Even with airplane mode toggle I still can't pick it up. I usually use my wife's turd viper to check and almost always she has it. When I do have lte my wife's viper still gets better speeds. That's probably my main reason for getting s4 over the one because it's supposed to have the same problems. That's probably the biggest plus for the plastic over aluminum.
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optimummind said:
With Verizon, you'll likely experience slower updates and a couple extra hoops to flash custom ROMs.
If Verizon didn't screw me over in the past, then I'd probably give them a chance again since in my area, they offer the best coverage for data.
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OMG, this & you can say bye bye to your unlimited plan, locked bootloader, terrible customer service. Verizon is just a big headache. They gave me horrible nightmares.

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Verizon is light years ahead of Sprint in every aspect of radio technology. Verizon's S4 is the first phone compatible with their AWS network. Sprint is a freaking joke compared to Verizon. Radio technicians completely rag on how bad Sprint is.
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To be fair, going by history, they'll probably push the AWS software enable update to their S4 about 9 months after the AWS launch and have a 500Mb data cap.

Currently (and will PROBABLY stay a Sprint customer), however, as for 800MHz LTE, as far as I know, there's no current phones that will be able to take advantage of that once it becomes available (unless Sprint is planning something similar for the S4 and they just haven't advertised it yet). 800MHz for voice will work for virtually everyone... but no phone out there right now is going to see an improvement data-wise from that spectrum. Pretty sure they announced at CTIA that only the new phones coming later this year will be able to take advantage of it.

I personally moved away from Sprint even with having LTE coverage and discover the world of MVNO and haven't regretted it one bit.
I've always thought prepaid service was for those with bad credit but oh boy was I wrong, times have changed.
Now I look at those who are under contracts and over paying for service as suckers.
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Currently (and will PROBABLY stay a Sprint customer), however, as for 800MHz LTE, as far as I know, there's no current phones that will be able to take advantage of that once it becomes available (unless Sprint is planning something similar for the S4 and they just haven't advertised it yet). 800MHz for voice will work for virtually everyone... but no phone out there right now is going to see an improvement data-wise from that spectrum. Pretty sure they announced at CTIA that only the new phones coming later this year will be able to take advantage of it.
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Correct, there are currently no Sprint 800Mhz LTE phones available. The current S4 cannot do LTE on 800.
shook187 said:
I personally moved away from Sprint even with having LTE coverage and discover the world of MVNO and haven't regretted it one bit.
I've always thought prepaid service was for those with bad credit but oh boy was I wrong, times have changed.
Now I look at those who are under contracts and over paying for service as suckers.
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Do you get cross carrier roaming on Sprint MVNOs?

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Do you get cross carrier roaming on Sprint MVNOs?
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Cross carrier roaming is allowed between AT&T and T Mobile if you choose a GMS phone.
From what I heard Verizon and Sprint allows cross carrier roaming through Straight Talk. If you choose to use a CDMA phone.
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mrzood said:
Correct, there are currently no Sprint 800Mhz LTE phones available. The current S4 cannot do LTE on 800.
Do you get cross carrier roaming on Sprint MVNOs?
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ting lets calls/text on roaming but not data
but at 36 bucks a month for any sprint device you already have for what compares to the 30 dollar tmo plan

shook187 said:
Cross carrier roaming is allowed between AT&T and T Mobile if you choose a GMS phone.
From what I heard Verizon and Sprint allows cross carrier roaming through Straight Talk. If you choose to use a CDMA phone.
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ting lets calls/text on roaming but not data
but at 36 bucks a month for any sprint device you already have for what compares to the 30 dollar tmo plan
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Good to know!

Funny because I just left Verizon for Sprint. The data speeds are unbelievable but there too expensive. I also have a 27% discount through my employer with Sprint, so that is a plus. I gotta admit I'm loving this unlimited data thing.
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I switched from AT&T to sprint. Unlimited data is cool, but unfortunately it is SO SLOW in the areas I travel to it is pointless. And that is even in some of sprints LTE areas.
And the voice coverage sucks in the areas I go to for business too.
Sprint has great plans, and if you have good coverage they are hard to beat. Problem is that their voice and data network coverage is crap compared to Verizon or AT&T...
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sprint HTC One unlocked for straight Talk (AT&T)

Is it possable to unlock my sprint HTC to be used on straight talk (AT&T) SIM?
If possable could would I be able to get LTE or HSPA+ data?
Currently I'm only able to get 3G speed on my HTC One as sprint has no LTE in Vegas.
AT&T LTE is everywhere here in Vegas & has service at my house. I only get one bar if service at my house with sprint.
Please let me know if it's possible.

salsa88 said:
Is it possable to unlock my sprint HTC to be used on straight talk (AT&T) SIM?
If possable could would I be able to get LTE or HSPA+ data?
Currently I'm only able to get 3G speed on my HTC One as sprint has no LTE in Vegas.
AT&T LTE is everywhere here in Vegas & has service at my house. I only get one bar if service at my house with sprint.
Please let me know if it's possible.
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It is not possible.
Also, even if somehow the phone could be unlocked for AT&T use, it would likely perform very poorly as a smartphone because it doesn't support any of AT&T's LTE bands, nor UMTS/HSPA+ 850 which is also a very important band with AT&T.
Plus, I don't believe that AT&T allows LTE use on any of the third party MVNOs that use it.

myphone12345 said:
It is not possible.
Also, even if somehow the phone could be unlocked for AT&T use, it would likely perform very poorly as a smartphone because it doesn't support any of AT&T's LTE bands, nor UMTS/HSPA+ 850 which is also a very important band with AT&T.
Plus, I don't believe that AT&T allows LTE use on any of the third party MVNOs that use it.
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Thank you great info.
my last question is would I be able to switch to MetroPcs
They offer unlimited LTE in las Vegas

salsa88 said:
Thank you great info.
my last question is would I be able to switch to MetroPcs
They offer unlimited LTE in las Vegas
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I believe I have seen someone say they were able to flash their ONE to Metro PCS. Don't know how, but that should be possible.

salsa88 said:
Thank you great info.
my last question is would I be able to switch to MetroPcs
They offer unlimited LTE in las Vegas
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Metro's LTE band is in the 1700MHz (AWS) band which is not supported by the Sprint HTC One.
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I believe I have seen someone say they were able to flash their ONE to Metro PCS. Don't know how, but that should be possible.
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Yes but only with slow CDMA 3G (which will be going away eventually anyway as part of the TMO merger).

Hmm looks like my options of LTE on my HTC one is not looking very good..
any options to get LTE on my HTC One?

salsa88 said:
Hmm looks like my options of LTE on my HTC one is not looking very good..
any options to get LTE on my HTC One?
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No lte in Vegas? Up until a certain point, not let in los Angeles as well while places in the middle on Arkansas has it.
I don't understand how Sprint prioritizes their markets
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finalhit said:
No lte in Vegas? Up until a certain point, not let in los Angeles as well while places in the middle on Arkansas has it.
I don't understand how Sprint prioritizes their markets
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It's not hard to understand, actually, so long as you look at it from Sprint's market perspective and not from the "why don't I have it?" perspective. Not to ding you or anything, but people are very good at rationalizing reasons they've been wronged, especially when money (the $10/mo surcharge) is involved.
Sprint is targeting areas with relatively low LTE deployment/development, which usually means more out of the way areas and suburbs because until/unless the Softbank merger goes through, they don't really have the capital or spectrum to compete with AT&T or Verizon in LTE buildout. They've been using their money (very wisely, I might add) in retiring their IDEN equipment so that they can refarm spectrum, but until then, they're going to concentrate on markets they can bring LTE to cheaply and semi-exclusively, so as to snag those customers.

Rirere said:
It's not hard to understand, actually, so long as you look at it from Sprint's market perspective and not from the "why don't I have it?" perspective. Not to ding you or anything, but people are very good at rationalizing reasons they've been wronged, especially when money (the $10/mo surcharge) is involved.
Sprint is targeting areas with relatively low LTE deployment/development, which usually means more out of the way areas and suburbs because until/unless the Softbank merger goes through, they don't really have the capital or spectrum to compete with AT&T or Verizon in LTE buildout. They've been using their money (very wisely, I might add) in retiring their IDEN equipment so that they can refarm spectrum, but until then, they're going to concentrate on markets they can bring LTE to cheaply and semi-exclusively, so as to snag those customers.
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Not sure much much of this makes sense. There's basically 4 carriers and Verizon and AT&T has launched in most of them so I don't known what you mean by semi-exclusively. Being third in a 4 man race is nothing special.
There is a reason smaller markets are cheap...it's because they are small. It's not necessarily the best move to invest in the cheapest market...especially if it's as you say, at the cost of larger markets.
I doubt Sprint is retiring it's iden network without immediate plans to replace it. This is like throwing out your hammer in anticipation of buying another one next year.
I don't know why Sprint does what it's does but a lot of what you said seems to be wild conjecture
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finalhit said:
Not sure much much of this makes sense. There's basically 4 carriers and Verizon and AT&T has launched in most of them so I don't known what you mean by semi-exclusively. Being third in a 4 man race is nothing special.
There is a reason smaller markets are cheap...it's because they are small. It's not necessarily the best move to invest in the cheapest market...especially if it's as you say, at the cost of larger markets.
I doubt Sprint is retiring it's iden network without immediate plans to replace it. This is like throwing out your hammer in anticipation of buying another one next year.
I don't know why Sprint does what it's does but a lot of what you said seems to be wild conjecture
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No offense, but a lot of what you're saying betrays both unfamiliarity with basic economics and technology.
Sprint is targeting areas where they can build out coverage cheaply, and with towers close to markets that, if they have service at all, are from more distant towers provided by AT&T and Verizon. Cost of tower rent and leasing is key, because if you try to build out a larger market, you will not only be behind two major competitors, but spend a significant amount of money to still be behind. It's harder to break into a market where other carriers have devoted a significant amount of resources to, as opposed to one that's more on the margins.
"At the cost of larger markets" also betrays a fixation on longterm, endgame planning. Sprint, right now, is investing a significant amount of money in IDEN teardown and LTE buildout. They have limited cash reserves as a result of both, and until/if the Softbank merger goes through, they're not really looking in a cash infusion anytime soon. They need to get more people and more plans in the door, and the way to expand reach is to target less-solidified markets. Once they have those, they can try for the cities.
It's your comment on IDEN that really has me baffled. Did you even do a cursory search as to what IDEN is? IDEN is older network technology that used to power Nextel's network, and after the Sprint/Nextel merger, Sprint continued to maintain an entirely separate telephony system that, at most, provided patchy extended coverage for its CDMA devices. Meanwhile, the old IDEN equipment continues to hog spectrum that Sprint needs to build out its coverage.
The silliest thing about all of this is your last point: "why would they shut this down without planning to replace it?" Sprint's entire current network is meant to be a replacement for IDEN...and the IDEN shutdown isn't exactly new news. Sprint (http://newsroom.sprint.com/news-rel...-network-on-schedule-to-shut-down-june-30.htm) has been planning this for almost the last year and a half.
That info is seriously one Google search away.

Rirere said:
No offense, but a lot of what you're saying betrays both unfamiliarity with basic economics and technology.
Sprint is targeting areas where they can build out coverage cheaply, and with towers close to markets that, if they have service at all, are from more distant towers provided by AT&T and Verizon. Cost of tower rent and leasing is key, because if you try to build out a larger market, you will not only be behind two major competitors, but spend a significant amount of money to still be behind. It's harder to break into a market where other carriers have devoted a significant amount of resources to, as opposed to one that's more on the margins.
"At the cost of larger markets" also betrays a fixation on longterm, endgame planning. Sprint, right now, is investing a significant amount of money in IDEN teardown and LTE buildout. They have limited cash reserves as a result of both, and until/if the Softbank merger goes through, they're not really looking in a cash infusion anytime soon. They need to get more people and more plans in the door, and the way to expand reach is to target less-solidified markets. Once they have those, they can try for the cities.
It's your comment on IDEN that really has me baffled. Did you even do a cursory search as to what IDEN is? IDEN is older network technology that used to power Nextel's network, and after the Sprint/Nextel merger, Sprint continued to maintain an entirely separate telephony system that, at most, provided patchy extended coverage for its CDMA devices. Meanwhile, the old IDEN equipment continues to hog spectrum that Sprint needs to build out its coverage.
The silliest thing about all of this is your last point: "why would they shut this down without planning to replace it?" Sprint's entire current network is meant to be a replacement for IDEN...and the IDEN shutdown isn't exactly new news. Sprint (http://newsroom.sprint.com/news-rel...-network-on-schedule-to-shut-down-june-30.htm) has been planning this for almost the last year and a half.
That info is seriously one Google search away.
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No offence but your statements betrays the facts, and misrepresents what I actually said.
Sprint already have towers in L.A. metro area. In fact L.A. has lte now...before the merger. Spirit has towers in Vegas, and is deploying lte there now... so there goes your theory?
Sprint is not new to these markets. They already have infrastructure here. The cost/benefit ratio in deploying in these markets makes much more business sense.
I know about IDEN. Notice my statement "tear it down without replacing it immediately"...my point was, they DO intend to replace it. An act they have committed to..Not contingent on a merger that may or may not happen. Sprint has been planning on doing this before the merger was even an option. A simple Google search would tell you this.
Not so sure why you act so all knowing. You're as oblivious to sprints plans as me or anyone else.
I apologize for betraying my unfamiliarity with both basic technology and economics.
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Further research shows that Sprint does not launch lte in markets until it's his a certain percentage of deployment (50ish). So larger markets take longer to deploy
So there you go.
Again, my apologies for betraying my unfamiliarity with both technology and basic economics.
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Sprint: The Comeback

So, as many of you know, Sprint took a huge fall from 2004-2006. They have since to recover fully to the mobile giant they once were, but as of recently, some monumental changes have been made. Many analysts even believe 2014 will be the year for Sprint. Lately, Network Vision has made a huge impact on many customers (including myself) with 4G LTE and upgraded 3G, the iDen (push-to-talk) network has been shut down for good, Sprint acquired ClearWire, and SoftBank invested in Sprint. They're even dropping the old "Sprint Nextel" name and switching to "Sprint Corp." as soon as the deal goes through.
So what do you guys think? With the owner of SoftBank, Masayoshi Son, willing to throw billions into Sprint for network upgrades, is Sprint making a comeback? Or should we just ignore all that and jump ship to AT&T or Verizon?
I'm fairly optimistic about Sprint myself, so I'd really like to hear some other opinions.

I think Sprint is about to make some power moves and some big ones.a friend of mine in Carolina has metro pcs phone service and when he pulls his battery out of his phone it says Sprint and has a Sprint logo and whenever Sprint makes a move so do they. They rolled out 4g lte at the same time, they have the same equipment, Sprint branding hidden throughout metro pcs devices something is brewing lol....
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I hope sprint doesnt forget about us who stuck with them. If sprint became number one you can bet they will be doing the same rates as verizon. 4g lte with unlimited is good but tmobile has the same and is catching up in the 4g lte department. Plus tmobile is gsm. Always a plus.
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Sprint in Indiana is 100x better since network vision upgrades started. Let's just hope softbank can fund sprint enough to cover all the roaming areas.
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Sprint in Indiana is 100x better since network vision upgrades started. Let's just hope softbank can fund sprint enough to cover all the roaming areas.
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With the Nextel Spectrum now available to Sprint's disposal, the sub-1 Ghz spectrum (the lower the frequency, the more coverage/wall penetration is has.) will help Sprint's national footprint by a longshot. This is only possible now because Sprint shut down the Nextel network on June 30th. Not only that, but for the crowded areas, Sprint has Clearwire with their enormous Spectrum holding, that they literally have enough spectrum to offer 100mbps speeds on their towers. This is completely up to Softbank and their plans, but from what I hear, Softbank is only going to make Sprint better for its consumers, and the duopoly in a few years will be hurting.

True. Killing nextel is huge. It will come together in the next 2 years. To bad our phones only support lte 1900. I'm happy to see them in the right direction. I'm sticking with them.
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dreDrennon1 said:
I think Sprint is about to make some power moves and some big ones.a friend of mine in Carolina has metro pcs phone service and when he pulls his battery out of his phone it says Sprint and has a Sprint logo and whenever Sprint makes a move so do they. They rolled out 4g lte at the same time, they have the same equipment, Sprint branding hidden throughout metro pcs devices something is brewing lol....
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that your friend had a sprint device metroflashed to metropcs, thats all that means.

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that your friend had a sprint device metroflashed to metropcs, thats all that means.
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No he didn't flash anything he bought the phone NEW from metro pcs and when he went to put the battery in the phone it was Sprint branded
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dreDrennon1 said:
No he didn't flash anything he bought the phone NEW from metro pcs and when he went to put the battery in the phone it was Sprint branded
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i dont know what kind of store your friend bought it at but i assure you metropcs has never sold a sprint like device. i have been working on their phone since the sgs1 days and they had a crappy knock off of the epic called the indulge 4g.

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No he didn't flash anything he bought the phone NEW from metro pcs and when he went to put the battery in the phone it was Sprint branded
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Because metro stores can by a lot of Sprint phones from a distributor , brand new in the box.
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i dont know what kind of store your friend bought it at but i assure you metropcs has never sold a sprint like device. i have been working on their phone since the sgs1 days and they had a crappy knock off of the epic called the indulge 4g.
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I don't know what kind of store it was but he called to ask me about a possible merger between the 2 companies when he saw it to see if I had heard anything because I worked for Sprint at the time I told I had not heard anything and he said his phone was branded Sprint with the Sprint logo in the battery compartment but the outside was metro pcs branding the phone he had at the time was their version of the original Motorola photon
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Because metro stores can by a lot of Sprint phones from a distributor , brand new in the box.
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no corporate store would do that, they would rather try to sell you the phones metropcs actually has, they stopped the metroflash service for that reason
there was no version of the photon for them, us cellular had the electrify, but metropcs has NEVER had a moto android device
edit: turns out they did have a few metro phones here was their last one http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hXqXijDNvlU

I've seen plenty do that. I have brothers who are distributors and sell a couple dozen phones at a time to cricket and metro.
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shabbypenguin said:
no corporate store would do that, they would rather try to sell you the phones metropcs actually has, they stopped the metroflash service for that reason
there was no version of the photon for them, us cellular had the electrify, but metropcs has NEVER had a moto device
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Yeah that is the phone so it was us cellular my bad I got the little guys mixed up they both might as well be straight talk as far as I am concerned lol I don't have either one of them here in Nashville so I don't know what metro flash is bro Lol we have Sprint, Verizon, at&t, t mobile, cricket and simple mobile oh and of course straight talk thanks to Wal-Mart
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Either way it was a small company in a weak Sprint coverage area with Sprint branding inside the phone battery compartment
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dreDrennon1 said:
Yeah that is the phone so it was us cellular my bad I got the little guys mixed up they both might as well be straight talk as far as I am concerned lol I don't have either one of them here in Nashville so I don't know what metro flash is bro Lol we have Sprint, Verizon, at&t, t mobile, cricket and simple mobile oh and of course straight talk thanks to Wal-Mart
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not a problem. and since the reverse merger with tmobile is almost done, id suggest you keep your eye on metropcs. they had the first lte phone, first lte service in america, merged with tmobile to become the 4th largest carrier in america. now they have an agressive 2 year plan to shut off cdma and switch all of their prepaid customers to gsm within that time. as it turns out 60%+ of metro's customer upgrade their devices at least once a year. it will be interesting to see how much metro's cheap plans will end up cutting a hole into tmobile's famous 30 dollar plan.

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not a problem. and since the reverse merger with tmobile is almost done, id suggest you keep your eye on metropcs. they had the first lte phone, first lte service in america, merged with tmobile to become the 4th largest carrier in america. now they have an agressive 2 year plan to shut off cdma and switch all of their prepaid customers to gsm within that time. as it turns out 60%+ of metro's customer upgrade their devices at least once a year. it will be interesting to see how much metro's cheap plans will end up cutting a hole into tmobile's famous 30 dollar plan.
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We will see what happens I mean you merge with another company to be number 4 that doesn't sound like you are trying to make power moves to me that really won't affect us in our market because T-Mobile is not holding their own very well around here because their coverage sucks here for every 10 stores of the big 3 you see maybe 2 T-Mobile stores and all 4 have call centers here when I worked at Verizon when we had our quarterly meetings they wouldn't even mention T-Mobile if they did it was because they were the punch line of a joke lol
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I've been with Sprint for the first time since May of last year and I'm excited for them and what they have in store for us. I hope they bring 4G LTE to more areas quicker.

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We will see what happens I mean you merge with another company to be number 4 that doesn't sound like you are trying to make power moves to me that really won't affect us in our market because T-Mobile is not holding their own very well around here because their coverage sucks here for every 10 stores of the big 3 you see maybe 2 T-Mobile stores and all 4 have call centers here when I worked at Verizon when we had our quarterly meetings they wouldn't even mention T-Mobile if they did it was because they were the punch line of a joke lol
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Most people just consider T-Mobile just a regional carrier, specific to the west coast. So on the coverage end I don't think Sprint, being the nationwide carrier that they are, has anything to worry about. All I can see is that if Sprint doesn't pick up momentum on the west coast with LTE that T-Mobile could catch up. Right now the only real place that T-Mobile has LTE that Sprint doesn't yet is in Arizona, but Sprint is rolling it out now. Also, now with the SoftBank investment, Sprint has much more capital for a long term LTE and LTE-Advanced deployment. So with all these recent happenings, I see no reason to switch carriers :laugh:

Time will tell...After 14 years with Sprint I keep thinking about getting T-Mobile. I like not having to pay full price on phones though. Heck i make money. LoL. I have 5 lines so always have a upgrade to use.
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With SoftBank and Clear, Sprint has far too much potential for any of us to start being hasty. If your with the girl when she's fat...don't leave when she starts going to the gym.
They only problem they have is their roaming agreement. They have never solidified a good contract for it. The New plans even limit your roaming data and voice, it's they're only down fall imo. But when the build is near complete, that won't be an issue.
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Sprint and Tmobile merger?

http://mobile.theverge.com/2013/9/2...-potential-sprint-merger-the-logical-ultimate

Interesting idea. I personally favor more competition, not less. But a merger like this with the direction both T-Mobile and sprint has been going, this could really benefit us in the long run
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I wonder if instead of a merger it would be an acquisition on Softbanks part. They definitely have the cash to do it and that would make logical sense.

No! We need more players, not fewer! Sprint will have enough capital to become competitive in the next three years.

Please, the odds of the SEC ever allowing any of the big four to merge are practically 0.
/IAAL
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I'm game as long they switch to gsm
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-Cupper- said:
I wonder if instead of a merger it would be an acquisition on Softbanks part. They definitely have the cash to do it and that would make logical sense.
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I read an article starting that soft bank had to borrow a lot of the money just to make the acquisition.
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No! We need more players, not fewer! Sprint will have enough capital to become competitive in the next three years.
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Where did you get that information? Because if that is true, it would make a lot of sense for T-Mobile to hitch it's wagon to Sprint. If the FTC would even allow it.
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Sprint has enough issues of their own at this point, and they have the failed Nextel merger still in many of the executives memories. It may happen, but I don't think it'll have any legitimate consideration till 5-7 years from now, likely when 5G networks come around and LTE Advance has matured.
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When the T-mobile/AT&T deal fell through, the wording from the FCC was something to the effect of that if they allowed any less than 4 major, nationwide carriers, they would be crossing a threshold into a duopoly/oligopoly type of deal, and that having 4 carriers was a threshold they were not willing to cross.
Therefore, I don't think that this will happen, both because of the effort that would be needed to make the networks compatible (completely dismantling one network, save maybe LTE assets and refarming spectrum for one or the other basically) as well as the legal and regulatory issues.
Also, more competition is almost always best.

Rumors are rumors, people honestly exaggerate things that turn out to be nothing.
Remember when Dish was going to buy Sprint? Exactly.

A few random thoughts from someone who has worked for carriers for 20 years and seen all the mergers first hand on the AT&T side and is now with Sprint...
1) FCC/Justice would probably only consider further consolidation of the wireless sector on a big scale if it was a Sprint/TMO merger.
2) With Softbank behind Sprint such a deal would be possible. I recall last week a news article about Japanese government investing a few $billion more in Softbank (sorry no link but read it somewhere). Could this be why, perhaps.
3) TMO needs to do a deal more than Sprint needs to do a deal. Reason being is spectrum. As the demand for more bandwidth increases the ability to manage that demand will come down to who has the most spectrum to cram packets of data through. Of all the US carriers who is best positioned with the most spectrum of any carrier, Sprint. Who among the four is in the weakest position, TMO.
4) The uncarrier looks attractive to consumers at the moment because of the offers on phones, data plans, etc. The problem is that the long term health of the company doesn't look good because they don't have the spectrum resources to manage the data needs as we get to 2015 and beyond. This means slower speeds, more blocking, etc.
5) Sprint would likely be doing simply what AT&T tried to do when they made a play to buy TMO a couple years ago. Buy a customer base. Simply put buy the customers so you're bigger and closer to the top two. However I really don't think they need to do this.
6) Someone mentioned GSM. Sprint won't change their network to GSM, if a merger were to happen they'd most likely be required to continue operating TMOs GSM network until 2016ish but by that time all the major players will be using VoLTE so there would be no need for the traditional GSM or CDMA networks as they exist today.
Lastly my opinion is that while Sprint could do this deal I really don't think they should. I think a much more likely scenario would be to buy smaller carriers like US Cellular among others because TMO has too much bureaucracy and would require massive job cuts to make TMO fit into the Sprint model and that would be bad press that Sprint wouldn't want to go through nor get distracted by.
In the end buy smaller players that fit easily into your model, stay the course on building a better and bigger network, and then leverage the massive spectrum holdings you have into a customer friendly model that gives you a network equal in size to the top two but better because you have more spectrum to operate with giving you the ability to move data faster than your competitors. Consolidation will have to happen eventually and while consumer advocates are generally against it there is no way around it without completely reworking wireless spectrum and the FCC can't/won't do that so as the thirst for data increases the need for spectrum will as well and small players just won't be able to survive so we'll likely end up with two or three carriers eventually...
Verizon and AT&T need TMO to survive so that there are four players in the market and both of them can continue to buy up small fish to correct their spectrum deficiencies. If TMO gets bought or dies out (a more likely scenario) then VZN/ATT will be stuck, they have no path to grow, they have no merger path, they have huge bureaucracies choking them making overhead high and they start bleeding customers....
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If that happened, our phone can use T-mobile sim and work, nice.

I hope this does happen. Tmo's LTE Band 4 is pretty fast. I hit 30-50MBps here in Socal on my Nexus 4. I can barely get 15mbs on Sprint with my One. So i guess Band 4 is definitely better here in Socal

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I hope this does happen. Tmo's LTE Band 4 is pretty fast. I hit 30-50MBps here in Socal on my Nexus 4. I can barely get 15mbs on Sprint with my One. So i guess Band 4 is definitely better here in Socal
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Where are you in Socal? I'm in north OC and any time I connect to LTE I'm still pulling in kilobytes at a time or straight up getting connection errors.
I'm starting to think it's my ROM, but I'm praying it's not.

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Where are you in Socal? I'm in north OC and any time I connect to LTE I'm still pulling in kilobytes at a time or straight up getting connection errors.
I'm starting to think it's my ROM, but I'm praying it's not.
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I had good lte a few weeks ago in La Verne but now the tower is all wack. No 3g or lte at all anymore, worthless
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moregadget said:
1) FCC/Justice would probably only consider further consolidation of the wireless sector on a big scale if it was a Sprint/TMO merger.
2) With Softbank behind Sprint such a deal would be possible. I recall last week a news article about Japanese government investing a few $billion more in Softbank (sorry no link but read it somewhere). Could this be why, perhaps.
Lastly my opinion is that while Sprint could do this deal I really don't think they should. I think a much more likely scenario would be to buy smaller carriers like US Cellular among others because TMO has too much bureaucracy and would require massive job cuts to make TMO fit into the Sprint model and that would be bad press that Sprint wouldn't want to go through nor get distracted by.
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Sprint has purchased US Cellular.
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Sprint has purchased US Cellular.
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Actually they haven't...
They have purchased some US Cellular assets in some parts of country but not the whole company.
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T-Mobile Being Aggressive Here...

http://mobile.theverge.com/2013/10/...imited-global-data-roaming-at-no-extra-charge
Look at that... What do hmu guys think?
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I should have bought an unlocked phone grabbed a tmo SIM and be on my marry a$$ way instead of dealing with this dinosaur spead 3g ....golly ...good grief!!
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this is awesome, hopefully sprint catches on and does something similar. Sprints international rates are atrocious! Although the One does have removable SIM capabilities, it would cut down the hassle of acquiring one in a different country and possibly having to cut it to microsim specs.

I regret my decision of staying with sprint every day. It takes me over 2 minutes to do a simple Google search on sprints network in my area that is supposedly in an LTE zone. The network is atrocious and they keep saying theyre upgrading the towers but it's been almost a year and if anything it's only gotten worse. The only thing that stopped me from going to T-Mobile was their terrible coverage in Michigan. Here's hoping this announcement gets Sprint moving to finally deploying a data network that is usable.

This is awesome, not because it makes me wanna switch to T-Mobile, but because it makes other carriers have to step up their game to compete on a level playing field

I for one like sprint. Except when I have 3g. Then it just plain sucks. Thankfully I have LTE almost everywhere

You do know that sprint may buy out T-Mobile
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Somebody should leak T-Mobile
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FrozenRiff said:
Somebody should leak T-Mobile
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Haha that my friend is the quote of the day !!!
Haha good job
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Tmobile is great haha just switched over and still using my sprint HTC one highest I've seen on speedtest is 6.9 mb/s Download keep in mind this is 3G
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How the Hell did T-Mobile beat sprint I'm the LTE ROLLOUT?! SERIOUSLY
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CNexus said:
This is awesome, not because it makes me wanna switch to T-Mobile, but because it makes other carriers have to step up their game to compete on a level playing field
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^^^^this^^^^
Look at what happened when the $5 hot and ready pizza came out. Everybody changed pricing or menu items to become more competitive... :thumbup:
Or fast food 'value' menu's, suddenly every fast food chain had one...
Or 60 second abs, soon it only took 45 seconds!
Kudos to T-Mobile for doing something new.

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How the Hell did T-Mobile beat sprint I'm the LTE ROLLOUT?! SERIOUSLY
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Someone should leak LTE for sprint
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Haha omg ^^^^ this guy good
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Coverage needs improvement but I get good speeds
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Damn you Sprint!!! All I want is LTE....is that too much to ask?
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You do know that sprint may buy out T-Mobile
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This is not going to happen. T mobile is on a roll. There network is better. There plans are better and there upgrade plan is better. They are taking the other threes customers daily. They are going to surpass sprint very quickly if they haven't and their lte coverage has already surpassed sprint. Sprint still doesn't care and sprints lte network as a whole is terrible. Yeah some people post some big speeds but for the most part most of us are not impressed. If t mobile has the monetary status to roll out their lte network like this so does sprint. T mobile was almost dead a year and a half ago. Sprint put in an lte network to say they are lte. Nothing more. Sorry sprint. T mobile has +42 hspa and lte. Why are we still here? Contract up in June and I'll bet t mobile has lte before sprint where I live so this is my last with sprint. End RANT!
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treIII said:
This is not going to happen. T mobile is on a roll. There network is better. There plans are better and there upgrade plan is better. They are taking the other threes customers daily. They are going to surpass sprint very quickly if they haven't and their lte coverage has already surpassed sprint. Sprint still doesn't care and sprints lte network as a whole is terrible. Yeah some people post some big speeds but for the most part most of us are not impressed. If t mobile has the monetary status to roll out their lte network like this so does sprint. T mobile was almost dead a year and a half ago. Sprint put in an lte network to say they are lte. Nothing more. Sorry sprint. T mobile has +42 hspa and lte. Why are we still here? Contract up in June and I'll bet t mobile has lte before sprint where I live so this is my last with sprint. End RANT!
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What T-Mobile is doing for pricing and their offering is amazing. I really hope it spurs some real price competition from Sprint. Their 3G coverage in my area is total crap though, EDGE only in all of Bristol TN/VA and pretty much the entire areas around Johnson City and Kingsport. My biggest beef with T-Mobile is trust though. How do you trust a carrier that tried to sell their customer's out to the death star (AT&T)?
I do think Sprint is going to continue bleeding customers to T-Mobile unless they can do this:
-Provide some kind of similar free throttled international data, at the very least to Canada and Mexico.
-Go "no contract"
-Add sites to fix terrible 1900MHz LTE coverage in many areas where all their current towers have been upgraded but coverage still sucks, or hurry up on the tri-band phones and rollout of 800MHz LTE
-Lower the prices a bit
-Family plan price changes. Sprint's family plans are the worst deal out of the 4 carriers, and it's hard to make a worse deal than Verizon.
-Wifi calling on their phones would be better than the Airave program that I know costs Sprint lots of money
Basically, if Sprint would copy a lot of T-Mobile's ideas and fix serious issues with their LTE rollout, they'd be in a much better position. Sprint customer service is already better than T-Mobile, and that's pretty much the only selling point compared to T-Mobile besides superior non-LTE coverage. If things don't change soon, those selling points may become moot.

kwolf said:
What T-Mobile is doing for pricing and their offering is amazing. I really hope it spurs some real price competition from Sprint. Their 3G coverage in my area is total crap though, EDGE only in all of Bristol TN/VA and pretty much the entire areas around Johnson City and Kingsport. My biggest beef with T-Mobile is trust though. How do you trust a carrier that tried to sell their customer's out to the death star (AT&T)?
I do think Sprint is going to continue bleeding customers to T-Mobile unless they can do this:
-Provide some kind of similar free throttled international data, at the very least to Canada and Mexico.
-Go "no contract"
-Add sites to fix terrible 1900MHz LTE coverage in many areas where all their current towers have been upgraded but coverage still sucks, or hurry up on the tri-band phones and rollout of 800MHz LTE
-Lower the prices a bit
-Family plan price changes. Sprint's family plans are the worst deal out of the 4 carriers, and it's hard to make a worse deal than Verizon.
-Wifi calling on their phones would be better than the Airave program that I know costs Sprint lots of money
Basically, if Sprint would copy a lot of T-Mobile's ideas and fix serious issues with their LTE rollout, they'd be in a much better position. Sprint customer service is already better than T-Mobile, and that's pretty much the only selling point compared to T-Mobile besides superior non-LTE coverage. If things don't change soon, those selling points may become moot.
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If their service was better in the first place. We wouldn't need it so much. So as for this being a selling point. No good. T mobile has already surpassed sprint in their lte rollout. And at the pace they are moving they are definitely putting improvements from monetary gains immediately back in the company. It won't be long at this pace and the approach they have in winning customers that they will continue to move quickly in their customer gains and ranking. Their lte just came second to att and beat att in 20 markets. Sprint is doing nothing but putting lte on existing towers. Therefore until they actuall will not improve coverage but just provide lte when we are close enough to a tower. Softbanks acquisition of sprint hasn't showed any improvements of the speed of deployment of lte. We already have the networks vision implemented where I live and there is honestly no improvement in call quality nor 3g speeds other than once in a while. I live 1.6 miles from a tower that has the netwot vision improvements and I have to use an airrave. Makes my stomach turn honestly. I've asked them why I need the airrave. The tower is literally on my street and I can't make a call from home without the airrave. T mobile has made improvements where I live and many people I know have moved from sprint to tmobile.
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treIII said:
If their service was better in the first place. We wouldn't need it so much. So as for this being a selling point. No good. T mobile has already surpassed sprint in their lte rollout. And at the pace they are moving they are definitely putting improvements from monetary gains immediately back in the company. It won't be long at this pace and the approach they have in winning customers that they will continue to move quickly in their customer gains and ranking. Their lte just came second to att and beat att in 20 markets. Sprint is doing nothing but putting lte on existing towers. Therefore until they actuall will not improve coverage but just provide lte when we are close enough to a tower. Softbanks acquisition of sprint hasn't showed any improvements of the speed of deployment of lte. We already have the networks vision implemented where I live and there is honestly no improvement in call quality nor 3g speeds other than once in a while. I live 1.6 miles from a tower that has the netwot vision improvements and I have to use an airrave. Makes my stomach turn honestly. I've asked them why I need the airrave. The tower is literally on my street and I can't make a call from home without the airrave. T mobile has made improvements where I live and many people I know have moved from sprint to tmobile.
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I live 3/4 of a mile from a tower and only get 1-2 bars inside without the Airave. I feel your pain. My T-Mobile friends cannot use their phones in my house at all unless they switch it to Wi-Fi calling.
T-Mobile is an absolute joke in this rural area. Right now they're only a serious option in cities, and nothing has changed regarding their coverage in my area or surrounding areas, so I have no reason to suspect this will change. Sprint has 3G all along I-81 even in rural southwest VA, whereas T-Mobile has only EDGE in SWVA for 3 hours from the state line, and they have only EDGE between the Tri Cities and Knoxville. Sprint has also added LTE to much of this area, for example the Greeneville, TN and Bristol, TN/VA markets have LTE from Sprint but only Edge from T-Mobile. T-Mobile LTE has not touched any region within 3 hours of me besides Asheville NC. My friend just drove up to Athens, OH on T-Mobile and was roaming for 5 hours of the 7 hour drive because T-Mobile has crap rural coverage. There is Sprint 3G coverage on that entire drive and 4G for the first hour.
If you live in a city T-Mobile may be great for you, but it's still not an option for most rural or semi-rural people.