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Is tegra 2 a complete disappointment?

Hello,
when I bought this lg I thought that despite the bad LG support I was getting nice hardware anyway...problem is that the more I read/use it the more I realize that not even Nvidia is blameless.
They call this super-phones but:
- Nvidia doesn't release the source code and developers cannot take advantage of its full potential
- They didn't include the NEON instructions, on which Skype is based. The tegra 2 will probably never have video calls, they'll skip directly to tegra 3 for sure. I tried google talk, for what I've seen skype is smoother. Am I wrong?
- They claim 1080p video decoding. OK, problem is that I wasn't able to play ANY video with hardware acceleration, not even some youtube videos that use h.264 main profile.
I wonder why Samsung would use this chipset so limited in the galaxy R.
And I think that when it will be "time" for it be mature tegra 3 will come out and everyone will stop supporting it.
(is it possible to use Samsung galaxy R code to implement to the LG in some way? Since they share the same hardware...)

Tegra 2 is excellent, LG just ducked it up.
That's all there is to say

kiljacken said:
Tegra 2 is excellent, LG just ducked it up.
That's all there is to say
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yes, i agree with you, tablets usually use tegra2. so nvidia is not disappointing anyone or anyvendor

The major advantage of Tegra 2 is time to market -- it was available a good quarter or two before other dual core SoCs.
And that's about it. NV seems to have rushed it out of the door and failed to follow up with a higher clocked version, nor offering any developer support. They're only interested in selling as many Honeycomb tablets as possible, and even then, they've failed to put any dent on iPad2 sales.

Not having NEON and refusing to open up sources is a huge letdown for sure. And it is the only dualcore not able to change clocks individually between two cores, which doesn't help battery life. On idle it would help just to not use the second core, which tegra2 doesn't allow for.
Lets hope the Nexus Prime will be the killer device with 1.5ghz dualcore and the nice 1280x720 screen, and since it is a Nexus, devsupport. I will take it on day one it will be released

wapz said:
Not having NEON and refusing to open up sources is a huge letdown for sure. And it is the only dualcore not able to change clocks individually between two cores, which doesn't help battery life. On idle it would help just to not use the second core, which tegra2 doesn't allow for.
Lets hope the Nexus Prime will be the killer device with 1.5ghz dualcore and the nice 1280x720 screen, and since it is a Nexus, devsupport. I will take it on day one it will be released
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Tegra 2 does indeed disable the second core when it isn't needed.

-sandro- said:
- They didn't include the NEON instructions, on which Skype is based. The tegra 2 will probably never have video calls, they'll skip directly to tegra 3 for sure. I tried google talk, for what I've seen skype is smoother. Am I wrong?
- They claim 1080p video decoding. OK, problem is that I wasn't able to play ANY video with hardware acceleration, not even some youtube videos that use h.264 main profile.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QsX_VQ-bzAs

lorismarcos said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QsX_VQ-bzAs
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words... what happened to this? abandoned I suppose.

The only hope for skype video calling optimus 2x has is from galaxy r.
Just because its a samsung i bet skype will back it up.

I also try to play 720p youtube videos and it doesn't play smooth
So wtf is going wrong
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God almighty, what is up with people complaining all the time :S. phone works great. no lag and all with my phone

rukhi said:
God almighty, what is up with people complaining all the time :S. phone works great. no lag and all with my phone
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yes. with custom rom its a great choice. i hope the drivers will be available when offical GB will be released

ionutp said:
I also try to play 720p youtube videos and it doesn't play smooth
So wtf is going wrong
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The screen size is only what corresponds to 480p, so showing anything bigger than that would be a waste of processing power, and power in general

Hi guys! Considering 720/1080p youtube playback, does it work correctly when the phone is connected to a tv via hdmi? Also, is there a difference in flash performance between stock rom and cm7? Thank you!

kiljacken said:
The screen size is only what corresponds to 480p, so showing anything bigger than that would be a waste of processing power, and power in general
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hdmi mirroring?

Trying to watch HD clips on the phone is stupid: the phone has not only to decode an HD stream, it has also to resize it!
Try watching an HD clip on the TV *without* mirroring (without the phone screen showing the same content), it should be much better.

ionutp said:
I also try to play 720p youtube videos and it doesn't play smooth
So wtf is going wrong
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cm7 can play 720p smooth..

kiljacken said:
The screen size is only what corresponds to 480p, so showing anything bigger than that would be a waste of processing power, and power in general
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i'm not interested if is a loss of power or not i'm only interested when i download something random from the net that i can see it (porn in hd is bether lol jocking)

i have the lg optimux and it works very well, esp on the cm7 nightly.

KeePeeR26 said:
i'm not interested if is a loss of power or not i'm only interested when i download something random from the net that i can see it (porn in hd is bether lol jocking)
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That's like saying that your Panda Van should go easily up that hill with a ton of cargo because it just should. It's a ->Panda<- not a truck.
The same for the phone: if you load an HD flic on the screen the phone has to decode the stream and rescale it to fit on its smaller screen.
In essence it's almost like decoding TWO HD streams at the same time...
Now I'm sure the phone wasn't advertised as capable of decoding two streams?

Galaxy tab 8.9 vs 7 plus

Sorry guys for using this section but it is the only one for the 8.9
I would like to buy one tablet but I'm wavering between the 8.9 and the new 7 plus
the 8.9 is cheaper but the 7 plus can make phone call and got a microsd slot
help me to make this choice
thanks

For what will the tablet be used? Will you still carry a separate phone?

usually I carry another phone but in summer a bring on beach just the galaxy tab 7

If you plan using it as an extension then I think you already have made your mind.
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+1 i will go for 8.9 for it bigger screen

I use my Nokia n9 as a phone, my MacBook air as a laptop, my tab 8.9 as a reference material viewer. I think I wouldn't be happy with a 7" screen, my physics books won't view well.
Then again I can't tell until I try it :-D

make phone call is a good features sd the sd slot
I think I will take the 7 plus (7.7 would be perfect but probably will be out on 2012)

I had a 10.1, but sold it for a 7.0 plus, and highly recommend it. The Exynos is screaming fast compared to the Tegra 2. This is especially obvious while playing video.

Video is truly night and day, I can't believe how lousy the Tegra is for that. The 7+ will play any and all video I threw at it. But dang, the size of the 8.9 is perfect. Hopefully Samsung will give it the upgrade and the best of both worlds.

guthrien said:
Video is truly night and day, I can't believe how lousy the Tegra is for that. The 7+ will play any and all video I threw at it. But dang, the size of the 8.9 is perfect. Hopefully Samsung will give it the upgrade and the best of both worlds.
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I agree on all counts. That would be the perfect tablet.

bill.allrobots.org said:
I had a 10.1, but sold it for a 7.0 plus, and highly recommend it. The Exynos is screaming fast compared to the Tegra 2. This is especially obvious while playing video.
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Does it play RMVB videos well? esp those >800MB?

Palary said:
Does it play RMVB videos well? esp those >800MB?
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I am a happy owner of an unrooted 7+ and I have yet to run into a 720p video in any codec or bitrate that the little bastard could not run perfectly smooth. I have no RMVB videos but I can't imagine it will have huge issues but if you send me a link for such a video then I will be happy to test it out for you.
As for the topic of the thread:
I have the 10.1 as well and the Tegra 2 is a travesty. It is a horrid and terrible product which should never have been allowed to be used as the reference chip for Honeycomb. For this reason I went with the 7+. If anyone thinks everyone with a 10.1 is cheerful with a Tegra 2 running then you have not watched the threads prior to the nation wide USA release of the 10.1. Even after the 10.1v was confirmed as using the Tegra 2 we still held out a glimmer of hope for the Exynos 4210 and a MicroSD slot. The 7+ has both of these and I even found it at 350$ with 3.5% sales tax at Microcenter.

koreanschoolkid said:
I have the 10.1 as well and the Tegra 2 is a travesty.
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Does this issue only happen during video playback or any graphics in general? I thought Tegra 2 is supposed to be very good! :|
I do notice some lag even when using the homescreen in 10.1, din test 7+ enough to tell, after I have tested 10.1 and 8.9, the 7+ seems just too small! And I am worrying about the future support (ICS) for 7+ as it seems the odd tab with that resolution. As with Samsung products, the ones that gets updated are those that are popular, and looking at how thing goes, seems like 10.1/8.9 is (going to be) more popular.

10.1 with the HW accelerated homescreen roms works fairly well unless you want to watch video. Honestly I only want a tablet that can play the stuff on my computer while I lay in bed and the B&N Nook Tablet almost managed it but the 7+ got it down 100%. Holding my 10.1 after using the 7+ was fun though. So huge in comparison.

koreanschoolkid said:
10.1 with the HW accelerated homescreen roms works fairly well unless you want to watch video. Honestly I only want a tablet that can play the stuff on my computer while I lay in bed and the B&N Nook Tablet almost managed it but the 7+ got it down 100%. Holding my 10.1 after using the 7+ was fun though. So huge in comparison.
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I feel the exact same way about my (ex) NT. But the locked bootloader killed it for me, and I'm back to the search for the optimal tablet for me. How would you say the 7+'s screen compares to the NT? I really loved that I could sit outside and see everything perfectly on that screen. Would you say it's worth the extra cash and not waiting for the 7.7 (assuming the 7.7 isn't actually $700, as speculated)?

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I feel the exact same way about my (ex) NT. But the locked bootloader killed it for me, and I'm back to the search for the optimal tablet for me. How would you say the 7+'s screen compares to the NT? I really loved that I could sit outside and see everything perfectly on that screen. Would you say it's worth the extra cash and not waiting for the 7.7 (assuming the 7.7 isn't actually $700, as speculated)?
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I just returned my NT and picked up the 7+. No regrets at all! I was betting on the 7.7 not being out for a while and being too expensive. so I went ahead and took the plunge. If the 7.7 comes out soon and is reasonably priced, I'll throw the 7+ on eBay, and eat the difference.

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I just returned my NT and picked up the 7+. No regrets at all! I was betting on the 7.7 not being out for a while and being too expensive. so I went ahead and took the plunge. If the 7.7 comes out soon and is reasonably priced, I'll throw the 7+ on eBay, and eat the difference.
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Not to be annoying and reiterate my question, but how does the screen compare? More specifically, how does it look outdoors? I really want to buy a replacement tablet, but great visibility in all lighting conditions is a huge factor. Reviews that I've read so far haven't really addressed this, with even some mildly negative comments about the 7+ screen.

It's a gloss screen so I doubt it would be perfect outdoors but it's not horrible in my limited experience. It's a bit darker than the screen in the 8.9 or 10.1 but it doesn't have viewing angle problems it's still a Samsung screen. Just naturally a tad darker at default.

I used to own the 1st Galaxy TAB P1000; it has no problem handling *.MKV files even with size more than 2 GB. Likewise for the 8.9. But for RMVB files it is a challenge. I tried the same files on a IPAD2. It faces the same problem . There are jerkiness . Try to get the files from www.33md.com
koreanschoolkid said:
I am a happy owner of an unrooted 7+ and I have yet to run into a 720p video in any codec or bitrate that the little bastard could not run perfectly smooth. I have no RMVB videos but I can't imagine it will have huge issues but if you send me a link for such a video then I will be happy to test it out for you.
As for the topic of the thread:
I have the 10.1 as well and the Tegra 2 is a travesty. It is a horrid and terrible product which should never have been allowed to be used as the reference chip for Honeycomb. For this reason I went with the 7+. If anyone thinks everyone with a 10.1 is cheerful with a Tegra 2 running then you have not watched the threads prior to the nation wide USA release of the 10.1. Even after the 10.1v was confirmed as using the Tegra 2 we still held out a glimmer of hope for the Exynos 4210 and a MicroSD slot. The 7+ has both of these and I even found it at 350$ with 3.5% sales tax at Microcenter.
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Using MOBOPLAYER, I don't find that the 8.9 is having problem handling most videos. I still do not understand why all of you are saying it can't play videos well?
koreanschoolkid said:
10.1 with the HW accelerated homescreen roms works fairly well unless you want to watch video. Honestly I only want a tablet that can play the stuff on my computer while I lay in bed and the B&N Nook Tablet almost managed it but the 7+ got it down 100%. Holding my 10.1 after using the 7+ was fun though. So huge in comparison.
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Palary said:
Does it play RMVB videos well? esp those >800MB?
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RealPlayer formats? Seriously? I haven't had a RealPlayer video in years, so I have no idea.
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Palary said:
I used to own the 1st Galaxy TAB P1000; it has no problem handling *.MKV files even with size more than 2 GB. Likewise for the 8.9. But for RMVB files it is a challenge. I tried the same files on a IPAD2. It faces the same problem . There are jerkiness . Try to get the files from www.33md.com
Using MOBOPLAYER, I don't find that the 8.9 is having problem handling most videos. I still do not understand why all of you are saying it can't play videos well?
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Maybe your app is better, or maybe your videos are lower resolution. My 10.1 (with a handful of apps I tried) barfed on 1080p pretty hard.

Nvidia Shield Tablet Dungeon Defenders Eternity

If anyone is interested to see how well Dungeon Defenders Eternity runs on the Nvidia Shield Tablet in console mode through HDMI.

Looks really great on the K1!! I've been playing this on my Shield Portable and I'm loving it. I just wish more games like this were ported to the handheld.

BerryAl said:
Looks really great on the K1!! I've been playing this on my Shield Portable and I'm loving it. I just wish more games like this were ported to the handheld.
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I really wish they would've allowed Single Player though, I rarely have WiFi when I am playing games on my Shield Portable

Wow I may have to get this for my portable but I'm definitely getting it when I get my shield tablet

Is this game choppy when playing on the TV?
I found many games to be choppy/dropping fps making the game stutter for 0.025 sec without a reason when playing on the built in screen...games like Dead Trigger 2, Horn, Walking Dead.
Trine 2 also feels choppy at some points (especially the intro video).

Are all the controls mapped or did you have to set up anything using the mapper? I tried Order and Chaos on my Shield portable and it was a pain. This looks pretty fun though.

Is this the same as the old one our like the new one on PC?

ssj3hulk said:
Is this game choppy when playing on the TV?
I found many games to be choppy/dropping fps making the game stutter for 0.025 sec without a reason when playing on the built in screen...games like Dead Trigger 2, Horn, Walking Dead.
Trine 2 also feels choppy at some points (especially the intro video).
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It depends on the map and how hectic it gets. It is generally smooth and a very enjoyable experience. I actually prefer playing on the TV through my tablet than on my PC. Just make sure it is on console mode and not mirror mode.
There are resolution sliders and performance tweaks you can turn on and off to get the experience you want. I ended up lowering the resolution and turning off shadows to get better framerates on bigger maps. I'll actually make a newer video to show the difference (I actually can't notice any difference while playing).
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Are all the controls mapped or did you have to set up anything using the mapper? I tried Order and Chaos on my Shield portable and it was a pain. This looks pretty fun though.
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Controllers works without having to remap anything. There are options in-game to remap buttons if needed.
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Is this the same as the old one our like the new one on PC?
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It is like the new one on PC. In the video I posted I am playing with other PC users.

Sweet I'm in!

I love it on my tablet much more fun to play while on my lunch break at work
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I have a question, anyone know if it's possible to use a bluetooth keyboard and mouse to play this game on my shield tablet?

Not as awesome as I remember. Game is very laggy.

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I have a question, anyone know if it's possible to use a bluetooth keyboard and mouse to play this game on my shield tablet?
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The game defaults to controller use with no way to set up a keyboard/mouse.

I refunded this game after playing a few matches, it lagged and it was not because of system lag it was server lag because of their stupid always online drm. I have really fast internet too 60/10 so that is pretty lame.

hairdewx said:
If anyone is interested to see how well Dungeon Defenders Eternity runs on the Nvidia Shield Tablet in console mode through HDMI.
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You only uploaded/recorded the gameplay in 720p though and not 1080 (what it is capable of over HDMI). I do appreciate the upload but for those looking to see how it looks, it will actually look even better than what's displayed in the video.

[Q] What is quality 2k/4k videos?

Did anybody tried to play them using vr?
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darekz said:
Did anybody tried to play them using vr?
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you can still see sub-pixels because of the magnification. it's still great nevertheless.

nick2k said:
you can still see sub-pixels because of the magnification. it's still great nevertheless.
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the subpixels make me pine for a note 5 with a 4k screen, but still impressed with how polished the presentation is, really a great experience. hands down worth the $200 just for movies if you have a note 4. better than my sony hmz-t3. now someone hurry and make it netflix, dish anywhere, play movies, amazon compatible... and limelight for video game streaming of course, then i will be super happy.

johnnobts said:
the subpixels make me pine for a note 5 with a 4k screen, but still impressed with how polished the presentation is, really a great experience. hands down worth the $200 just for movies if you have a note 4. better than my sony hmz-t3. now someone hurry and make it netflix, dish anywhere, play movies, amazon compatible... and limelight for video game streaming of course, then i will be super happy.
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hmm, maybe "sub-pixels" is a poor choice of word... it's more like the spacing between the pixels i'm seeing. and i loaded up a 4k video and it looked odd. i'll need to try it again using the 'void theater' rather than the other ones since it's the "largest" screen.

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hmm, maybe "sub-pixels" is a poor choice of word... it's more like the spacing between the pixels i'm seeing. and i loaded up a 4k video and it looked odd. i'll need to try it again using the 'void theater' rather than the other ones since it's the "largest" screen.
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2D movies don't need to be larger than 720p as that is the highest resolution you can see on the screen in the Oculus cinema. Everything higher just burns unnecessary battery life.
360 videos can be higher res tho.

5 New Apps out for Gear VR!

All available in the Gear VR Store
Temple Run VR
Ocean Rift
Vanguard
Cold Play
Paul McCartney

woohooo!
on it now

I like how fast apps are coming out.
Much better support than for the Note Edge...
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67srbell said:
I like how fast apps are coming out.
Much better support than for the Note Edge...
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Well there are more than 5 extra panels available for the Edge... Maybe 6... Lol

boodies said:
All available in the Gear VR Store
Temple Run VR
Ocean Rift
Vanguard
Cold Play
Paul McCartney
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Has anyone tried playing Vanguard? How is it?

JippleStar said:
Has anyone tried playing Vanguard? How is it?
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I haven't but from what I've seen on youtube, it looks pretty good. You should try and report back...

Almost half a gig download to watch live or let die? deleted that thing fast Ill take the games all day long over stupid 360 videos that you can just find off the web anyway. Coldplay ones deleted after watching 30 sec of it also.

yzf750 said:
Almost half a gig download to watch live or let die? deleted that thing fast Ill take the games all day long over stupid 360 videos that you can just find off the web anyway. Coldplay ones deleted after watching 30 sec of it also.
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But did you see the guy on the piano...? That was freaking amazing!

Bruce lee roy said:
I haven't but from what I've seen on youtube, it looks pretty good. You should try and report back...
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I always forget youtube exists S: It doesn't really look worth my time though lol Pretty much anshar wars?
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Probably going to try it later lol I blame boredom

yzf750 said:
Almost half a gig download to watch live or let die? deleted that thing fast Ill take the games all day long over stupid 360 videos that you can just find off the web anyway. Coldplay ones deleted after watching 30 sec of it also.
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I agree with you. Im not sure if Jaunt did this cold play one but if it's the same guys who did Hobbit VR, Black Mass Trailer etc, they really need to step up their game. The bitrate and the quality of the video is pure crap. I still can't get over it... Even the mongolian hut demo and the circus demo was 10 times better than these.

boodies said:
I agree with you. Im not sure if Jaunt did this cold play one but if it's the same guys who did Hobbit VR, Black Mass Trailer etc, they really need to step up their game. The bitrate and the quality of the video is pure crap. I still can't get over it... Even the mongolian hut demo and the circus demo was 10 times better than these.
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Just give us a youtube VR player or that supposed Milk VR player, and quit putting 100 megabyte demo videos out At least then its a slim app and we can just watch what we want without downloading the gigs on the phone storage.

wow, Temple Run VR is insane. instant headaches. but oh so cool. love that you can around and see the monsters chasing you. definitely will take a bit getting used to

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Just give us a youtube VR player or that supposed Milk VR player, and quit putting 100 megabyte demo videos out At least then its a slim app and we can just watch what we want without downloading the gigs on the phone storage.
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Yup, agreed. Or make the downloads worthwhile.
HTCMario said:
wow, Temple Run VR is insane. instant headaches. but oh so cool. love that you can around and see the monsters chasing you. definitely will take a bit getting used to
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Lol, I actually enjoyed temple run, it was fun. I also liked Ocean Rift and Vanguard. Didn't personally get a headache on them.

vanguard game gave me my first overheat dialog box in vr,needs to cool down device before use it again,darn it!

lyrad12 said:
vanguard game gave me my first overheat dialog box in vr,needs to cool down device before use it again,darn it!
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I thought that demo was way too short for any over heating to occur XD That one measly level was nothing! I wish they had the weapons system like anshar wars too
Haven't tried temple run but now I am interested * -*
Youtube would be great too ; 3;

lyrad12 said:
vanguard game gave me my first overheat dialog box in vr,needs to cool down device before use it again,darn it!
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That was herobound for me. Overheat box almost every time I play. Super addicting and game of the year fun.

So the Coldplay sucks? That's a bummer.

VRVoodoo said:
So the Coldplay sucks? That's a bummer.
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Musics okay but the video and vr quality sucks. And I wish he covered his damn stomach lol.

Ok, todays, batch of apps are quite cool. I think the quality of the VR from Matterport is pretty stunning. I think the quality of their video is head and shoulders above what Jaunt does currently. Can't wait to see them cover more locations.
Edit: im going to try to find out if we can download more locations from their website http://matterport.com/

boodies said:
Ok, todays, batch of apps are quite cool. I think the quality of the VR from Matterport is pretty stunning. I think the quality of their video is head and shoulders above what Jaunt does currently. Can't wait to see them cover more locations.
Edit: im going to try to find out if we can download more locations from their website http://matterport.com/
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Any luck with getting more content?
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