I have had my Bionic for a while now and have been thinking about rooting it. I finally got the ICS update but have been using GO Launcher too much to even notice it. Anyway, like I said, I want to root my phone. I am current on all updates. For some reason it's running at a tenth of it's memory tho not much is running that I can see. This leads me to believe there's things running in the background that I can not see. I am reluctant to get rid of all my apps, but I also don't want anything that's eating all my resources either. I kinda want to start new but kinda don't. I guess I just don't like letting go of anything.
I know this is selfish of me, but I am hoping that this thread will stay clean of others chiming in asking about their issues. I just don't want the thread to lose focus since this is about what I hope to get from my phone.
Ok, so here are my questions or favors to ask:
Since my phone is fully updated, do I need to do some other updated steps for rooting my phone or is rooting always the same no matter the build or version?
When I go to root my phone, I back up everything first and then I get it back, right?
I read somewhere that it's possible to brick the phone. What precautions should I take to avoid that?
Can I get all the benefits of a rooted phone without a ROM?
Are ROMs really that awesome that I should get one, or three?
I am interested in a ROM after some posts and pages I read. I was attracted to CM at first but so is everyone else probably at first. Does CM even work on the Bionic? And if it does, does everything work like the camera and Bluetooth?
As I said earlier, I use GO Launcher. One of the things I really like about it is the folders I can make in the App Drawer. Now CM is based off of ADW Launcher, but no options to make folders in the app drawer? Is it possible in any way if I choose CM as my main ROM?
Is CM overrated? Liberty and Eclipse look nice too. I also read a little, very little, about AOKP. Any suggestions? I want to get rid of a lot of extra processes and bloatware but I don't want to lose some of the apps pre-installed like Google Maps and Navigation, etc. Unless there are other, much better replacements that anyone knows of.
I know most of this is personal preference but I am hoping to find a comprehensive way at figuring out what's best for me.
I had more questions but I will wait and ask more as the thread continues.
Oh, I don't really need answers in step by step unless I ask. A simple link would suffice unless it's not covered anywhere.
Thanks for reading this, I hope I am not frustrating anyone as I am sure similar posts have been made.
You're basically asking to have this entire forum summarized into one post...
Spend some time reading, then ask smaller, more concise questions.
Not trying to sound like a ****, but i could spend an hour answering all of that. Half of those questions could be answered with some reading of the ROM specific threads.
Sent from my DROID BIONIC using Tapatalk 2
Ok, I know that SOME of the questions are answered somewhere else. The thing is that after I read one thread only to find it unsolved, I read others that are are 50 pages long going nowhere as well. I haven't seen anything about my phone being fully updated and I am not going any further until I know for sure from someone like a DEV that I can.
Some of these questions are yes/no questions, which wouldn't take long at all to answer, maybe even less time it takes to write a complaint about my post. I certainly don't expect one person to write for an hour on every topic I asked about. I thought it would be a collective effort.
I guess I will take this slowly.
Since my Droid Bionic is updated to the current versions, do I need to do this differently than others have used in the past to root this phone?
Where is the best method to do this?
Before I start, I have to backup everything, right? If so, what's the best way to go about backing up everything?
I read somewhere that there are 3 things you should do to make sure you avoid bricking. I have since lost it. Does anybody know a surefire way to do this.
Please be gentle.
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Ok, I know that SOME of the questions are answered somewhere else. The thing is that after I read one thread only to find it unsolved, I read others that are are 50 pages long going nowhere as well. I haven't seen anything about my phone being fully updated and I am not going any further until I know for sure from someone like a DEV that I can.
Some of these questions are yes/no questions, which wouldn't take long at all to answer, maybe even less time it takes to write a complaint about my post. I certainly don't expect one person to write for an hour on every topic I asked about. I thought it would be a collective effort.
I guess I will take this slowly.
Since my Droid Bionic is updated to the current versions, do I need to do this differently than others have used in the past to root this phone?
Where is the best method to do this?
Before I start, I have to backup everything, right? If so, what's the best way to go about backing up everything?
I read somewhere that there are 3 things you should do to make sure you avoid bricking. I have since lost it. Does anybody know a surefire way to do this.
Please be gentle.
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1st question . No, your phone is not special since it is updated what worked for others will work for you.
2nd follow this link and the instructions to the letter http://www.droidrzr.com/index.php/topic/4026-samurihls-house-of-bionic/
3rd . Since you are stock. I would suggest using Verizon's back up services. TiBu requires root. IMHO I wouldn't bother because Google automatically backs up contacts and most roms require you to do a full data wipe.
There is no magic formula to keep from bricking your phone. Just follow directions and if you can't tolerate the risk don't do it.
From my EVOLVED bionic
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1st question . No, your phone is not special since it is updated what worked for others will work for you.
2nd follow this link and the instructions to the letter Can not post links
3rd . Since you are stock. I would suggest using Verizon's back up services. TiBu requires root. IMHO I wouldn't bother because Google automatically backs up contacts and most roms require you to do a full data wipe.
There is no magic formula to keep from bricking your phone. Just follow directions and if you can't tolerate the risk don't do it.
From my EVOLVED bionic
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That link no longer works
Also I found an article named "Learn How-To Root, Custom Recovery, Backup, And De-Bloat Your DROID BIONIC" while searching around for ROM ideas and such. Anyway, after reading this, it almost seems as if I don't need to do factory reset. Is this ok?
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That link no longer works
Also I found an article named "Learn How-To Root, Custom Recovery, Backup, And De-Bloat Your DROID BIONIC" while searching around for ROM ideas and such. Anyway, after reading this, it almost seems as if I don't need to do factory reset. Is this ok?
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Just last week I started with a stock ICS Bionic and followed this guide to root: http://droidbionicroot.com/droid-bionic-root/how-to-root-ics-on-droid-bionic-and-motorola-android/
That went very well. I wanted to try out JB 4.2.2, so I installed SafeStrap and an official CM 10.1 nightly. The net result was that I had a very unstable phone until I did a factory reset . As of this writing, however, it's behaving extremely well. YMMV.
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Just last week I started with a stock ICS Bionic and followed this guide to root: Can not post links
That went very well. I wanted to try out JB 4.2.2, so I installed SafeStrap and an official CM 10.1 nightly. The net result was that I had a very unstable phone until I did a factory reset . As of this writing, however, it's behaving extremely well. YMMV.
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Ok, so you flashed the ROM, didn't work so well, then you did a factory reset. Doesn't a factory reset wipe the phone? If that's the case, doesn't it wipe out the ROM?
Oh one more thing. Following this link, does this wipe the data from my phone? Anything I should back up before doing this? Should I do any updates before flashing CM 10?
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Ok, so you flashed the ROM, didn't work so well, then you did a factory reset. Doesn't a factory reset wipe the phone? If that's the case, doesn't it wipe out the ROM?
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No, a factory data reset doesn't wipe the ROM, but it does require running the initial setup (as if you were setting up a brand new phone).
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...one more thing. Following this link, does this wipe the data from my phone? Anything I should back up before doing this? Should I do any updates before flashing CM 10?
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You definitely want to back up everything you're not willing to lose. I ran a backup the very first thing after installing SafeStrap, and it was a good thing because with all my messing around I managed to bork my stock ROM to the point that it wouldn't boot. Fortunately, all I had to do was restore it from a backup.
My phone on CM 10.1 had enough issues with freezing and crashing that I decided this morning to try a different ROM. So far, I've had really good results with Icarus HD (a custom ICS ROM). I really don't know if my experience with CM 10.1 was typical.
OK, so I want to root. Now does rooting wipe any data? Regarding Safestrap, I install that first before rooting?
Rooting doesn't wipe any data. Root first, then install SafeStrap.
Okay, I will be rooting and installing safestrap when I get home for work today. I will still have more questions I am sure. I do have a few before I actually start rooting or right after.
I know safestrap makes a backup/recovory, but is it full recovery only or can I recover portions, like say my Dolphin browser with the settings and bookmarks?
I read that when making a backup of stock ROM, use sdcard, I'm sure that means external but when flashing a ROM, will that wipe data from the external card?
When setting up slots for multi booting ROMs, gernally how much storage do they need?
If I have two different ROMs, does it act like user accounts in Windows, would I have to download the same app on each ROM or do both ROMs have access?
Can one ROM have stuff I don't want the other ROM to have visible?
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I know safestrap makes a backup/recovory, but is it full recovery only or can I recover portions, like say my Dolphin browser with the settings and bookmarks?
I read that when making a backup of stock ROM, use sdcard, I'm sure that means external but when flashing a ROM, will that wipe data from the external card?
When setting up slots for multi booting ROMs, gernally how much storage do they need?
If I have two different ROMs, does it act like user accounts in Windows, would I have to download the same app on each ROM or do both ROMs have access?
Can one ROM have stuff I don't want the other ROM to have visible?
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1. SafeStrap is full recovery only. Use Titanium Backup for backing up apps and data.
2. Flashing a ROM won't do anything to your external SD card.
3. When you set up ROM slots, you'll be asked how much room you'd like to allocate for data. The choices are 1, 2, or 3 GB. I started off allocating 3 GB to the stock ROM slot and was never able to load more than 3 separate ROMs before I ran out of room. I'd start with just using 1 GB for data.
4. Each ROM is an island. You have to download the apps separately (unless when you go through the initial setup you tell the system to restore apps and settings from the Google servers.)
Cool. I rooted and got safestrap but it's version 3.05 and not 3.11. Some ROM I was interested in said must have 3.11, which I am assuming that's the newest one so far. I did watch a tutorial about getting the current version, so no question there.
So the ROMs are separate islands and during flashing they can be in slots allocated up to 3GB. Does that mean that's the only amount of storage I can have when running that ROM? Say I like taking lots of photos and didn't save them to my external card, could I essentially run out of space or is the storage allocation just for the ROM itself and any updates it may have?
Sorry about these series of questions, just want to make sure I am doing it correctly in case I might make a mistake for future's sake.
The storage allocation is for the ROM, apps, and data that haven't been assigned to the external SD card. You can definitely run out of space if you load several ROMs and don't save any of your data to the external SD card.
Also, keep in mind that when VZW sends the OTA update to 4.1 next week, the only way to keep root is to root in ICS and use Voodoo OTA Rootkeeper to protect root before you take the OTA. If you flash the system image, you will lose root, and there is no known working root exploit for the Bionic JB release.
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Hey, I used Voodoo before flashing the 4.1 update, but forgot to update the binary beforehand, and therefore lost root. Anyone have any luck yet with an exploit for the OTA?
And there's no working FXZ before this now, correct? This software is now the earliest version I can FXZ to?
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Hey, I used Voodoo before flashing the 4.1 update, but forgot to update the binary beforehand, and therefore lost root. Anyone have any luck yet with an exploit for the OTA?
And there's no working FXZ before this now, correct? This software is now the earliest version I can FXZ to?
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Not root exploit yet for bionic JB. And if you try to FXZ back to an earlier version, you will brick your phone.
OK, so I rooted, got safestrap tho still not updated to 3.11, got TBU (free), got Voodoo. I had to race the clock today cuz it was updating android, or at least downloading the update. The root process I used gave me SuperSU and didn't tell me the version for the SU binaries. I searched around and all I could find was info on SuperUser in regards to backing up root. I uninstalled SuperSU, kinda. I just told it to use a different SU cuz when I used SuperUser and updated the binaries, SuperSU wanted to update them, then I opened SuperUser and the binaries reverted back. I was worried so I just told SuperSU to use a different SU. Was that ok? I didn't update to JB yet. Has there been luck with the Bionic using voodoo and keeping root after the JB update?
All this back and forth means I'm making a full image backup, then trying various ROMs. I've tried CM10.1, too many issues (no car dock, trouble installing lots of apps, no speakerphone). Next is... Whizzed Bean?
EDIT: Seems Speakerphone issue was fixed in the 0420 nightly. Will have to try it again.
AND I copied all the backups to my PC, so I can restore them at will (provided the phone still boots, that is... )
If I can't find a JB ROM I like I guess I can do HouseofBionic reflash (which did NOT cause me to lose data, as I upgraded to ICS that way) then allow the JB OTA to go through.
*sigh*... So much bull**** in these updates.
Hope someone sees my question above. I still haven't updated to JB yet. Once I do I will be flashing ROMs. I am interested in CM, Liquid Smooth, Icarus Hd and Wizzed Bean or Synergy (executioner ) Both WB and Synergy look indentical. What is the differences.
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Hope someone sees my question above. I still haven't updated to JB yet. Once I do I will be flashing ROMs. I am interested in CM, Liquid Smooth, Icarus Hd and Wizzed Bean or Synergy (executioner ) Both WB and Synergy look indentical. What is the differences.
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WB is a fork of CNA (codename Android) 4.1 JB (which is itself based on AOSP)
while Synergy is a fork of the standard Moto ICS (.246).
Yes, they look identical because they both used the Samsung UI elements.
Hi All,
I've waited some months now, until the person I know is finally about to upgrade their phone and sell me their old N7000. It is a UK Vodafone Contract N7000, so hopefully from what Ive read about the internet, it should already be unlocked...
However, is this still worth getting as a phone? And what would be an ideal/good price to pay for it...?? Apparently it is in mint condition, with no scratches on case or screen, except for a couple of scuffs near the charging socket.
1) The person wants £150 for it... Does that seem fair, or do you think I'm being ripped off, based on its age?? And could any of it likely to fail anytime soon...??
2) Are the batteries easy to swap/replace yourself, does the back cover just pop off, or do you have to break a seal?
3) Are there any signs/faults I should look for...??
4) Just before the person is about to sell it, they took it to VodaFone to be repaired. Vodafone returned it back, unrepaired... with a sticker saying "Faulty/Unrepaired" however a go-between friend, has actually tested it, and says it runs fine... Is there anyway to check if it is faulty, whether it is the brick bug? The original owner has sent it in once before for repair (claiming brick bug) but turns out to be user error, to do with Apps. So just need to make sure the device is working like normal or if there is anything wrong with it...
5) What is better, to get the old N7000 second hand with out warranty, or buy a new ZTE Blade V that is newer has warranty but hardware not as good, and as yet has no Dev support...?
Cheers, Lister
Hi guys,
Any opinions please, as i maybe getting this tomorrow.... And don't really want it to be another phone i sell within a week of having it...
Thanks, Lister
1) The person wants £150 for it... Does that seem fair, or do you think I'm being ripped off, based on its age?? And could any of it likely to fail anytime soon...??
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Too much for a out of warranty and possibly defective device.
2) Are the batteries easy to swap/replace yourself, does the back cover just pop off, or do you have to break a seal?
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No, no seals to brake, you have to remove back cover and battery to insert SIM card and SD card.
3) Are there any signs/faults I should look for...??
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Reboot, check for a Yellow triange. It's presence means the original owner has flashed unsuported roms. Not a defect though.
Check every button, check back cover for damaged pins, check chromed frame. Check if the device charges well (usb plug working ok) and if the headphones work (headphone plug working ok). Test all buttons.
4) Just before the person is about to sell it, they took it to VodaFone to be repaired. Vodafone returned it back, unrepaired... with a sticker saying "Faulty/Unrepaired" however a go-between friend, has actually tested it, and says it runs fine... Is there anyway to check if it is faulty, whether it is the brick bug? The original owner has sent it in once before for repair (claiming brick bug) but turns out to be user error, to do with Apps. So just need to make sure the device is working like normal or if there is anything wrong with it...
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Whitout knowing what was wrong, it's very difficult. Test it like you would test a device, see if every thing works, from phone, camera, net, buttons...
5) What is better, to get the old N7000 second hand with out warranty, or buy a new ZTE Blade V that is newer has warranty but hardware not as good, and as yet has no Dev support...?
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Though the quality of the ZTE Blade V is not on par to a previously flagship phone, it's not to disconsider. It's a Qualcomm quadcore, better processor. Screen and camera are inferior, but for screen size it's resolution should sufice (cannot quote on color reprodution). Read this
Still, considering question 1), every other question is pointless. IMHO of course.
Hi Daedric,
Thank you for coming back to me with your very useful and helpful Answers.... All of that makes sense, and feel a lot better for the backup opinion....
I'm fairly OK when it comes to Android, but based on this models (not this specific phone i am to buy) past history of risk to brick bug, thought I'd see if its worth it.
My original was the first ZTE Blade, so anything is a plus.. although it Dev community has been amazing. I got a G300 when the Blade died. I only had the G300 a week from new, wasn't overly impressed.
Always had my eye on this, as i know the person selling it through a friend. The original owner wouldn't have a clue how to ROM it, she barely knew how to use it really... And so don't know what previous faults were as she didn't know herself.
I'd like to check if all the phones storage is available and no faulty eMMC blocks found, can i do it through that App in the play store... And assume its a non destructive check, as the device wont have Philz recovery when i view it, although may have too just to get root
Thanks regarding batteries, not seen this device up close... I wondered if they copied Apple by forcing you into an expensive battery replacement. Also due to being a year old, might look to get spare battery if itndoesnt hold well... Although there is no indication i know of that it does hold its charge...
As for price, what would you think is fair price based on age, potential risk of bug... But despite its in great condition?
I was thinking ZTE Blade V as its new, quad core and will have a year warranty... Otherwise features of N7000 and big dev support make it a winner for me...
Thanks again for all your help though, will certainly test it....
Lister
Always had my eye on this, as i know the person selling it through a friend. The original owner wouldn't have a clue how to ROM it, she barely knew how to use it really... And so don't know what previous faults were as she didn't know herself.
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Red flag there. The polish in their nails ruins smartphones. Also cars. Now i'm being sexist, apologies ladies
Since she's the regular type of user, any damage that may have happened came either from factory defect, or miss use. Maybe she dropped it.
I'd like to check if all the phones storage is available and no faulty eMMC blocks found, can i do it through that App in the play store... And assume its a non destructive check, as the device wont have Philz recovery when i view it, although may have too just to get root
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Faulty eMMC blocks are irrelevant. I bet every phone has them, and the eMMC controller just remaps them to backup blocks, withouth the user even knowing. It's not going to be easy to find out if the eMMC has any bad blocks, the controller prevents it. Still, 30 or 40 badblocks is not a concern, 4000 would That would be noticable, either the device wouldn't boot, or the storage would be very small (like, from 16 gb to 10 or something) Don't trouble yourself with this, the eMMC brick bug is a entire different issue.
Apparently (i haven't tried myself for obvious reasons) the stock ICS kernel as a bug that when running certain eMMC commands (namely, the famous SSD TRIM command of Android 4.3) would completely brick the eMMC, rendering the device a brick. It's a bug on the eMMC controller.
If you buy the Note, and it's running ICS, under no circumstances will you wipe/factory restore in CWM. You can only do that AFTER flashing a "no brick bug" kernel, such as PhilZ. There's a app that can check if you have the problematic eMMC, but it isn't worth the risk. Just follow procedures, flash SAFE kernels, and be happy.
Thanks regarding batteries, not seen this device up close... I wondered if they copied Apple by forcing you into an expensive battery replacement. Also due to being a year old, might look to get spare battery if itndoesnt hold well... Although there is no indication i know of that it does hold its charge...
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Batteries are reasily replacable, just don't enter the bandwagon of the 5000mah battery stock size. It doesn't happen. It most someone might get 3000mah instead of 2500mah. When in doubt, buy genuine.
As for price, what would you think is fair price based on age, potential risk of bug... But despite its in great condition?
I have a note, vodafone PT, a small dent on the chrome frame near the headphone hole, two tiny marks on the screen. I don't have the invoice, and even if i had it it's out of warranty (2y in PT). No one will give me 150€ for this. So... Try to drop it to 100£ Haggle
LOL, the sexiest in you... :good: he he he.... But true though, apparently it has been sent off twice for faults. One of which was not found, the other I dont know about yet (but will find out tomorrow when meet my mate, not the one selling it, but the go-between). Plus she has reported other things not working in the past, when they were fine... lol Yeah, she's just the "regular type of user" lol
Oh, ok... I think I got confused somewhere with this eMMC bug, and that if ya get it... obviously the first tell tell sign is non-booting... But I wondered if she (may not even know) or if Vodafone returned it saying Not Repaired, if it was missing storage. So I know its a 16Gb model, but was wondering if I get it and I only see like 10Gb storage or summit?? lol
Yeah, I am aware of the ICS danger wipes... (which do scare me...) And so the first thing I will do, if I do get it... Is put Philz Kernel on straight away... I am a little confused as to which one I will need, but I am sure that will make sense when I have the thing in front of me...
Only couple of things now...
1) If I install Philz Kernel via Download Mode (so no Yellow Triangle), when I flash a new ROM, does it wipe Philz Kernel, or does it stay there? Do I have to keep Flashing it after a ROM?
2) Now you got me worried about Android 4.3 (as if ICS wasnt bad enough). So if I install a Android 4.3 based ROM, is there a chance I could possible brick it with CM10.2, or does Philz Kernel take care of that too...??
Makes me wonder how Samsung managed to sell that many Note, Note II, S2, S3 and S4 devices that all have faulty components, one way or another... Starting to think the ZTE may be a safer bet...
That said, someone told me as long as I use Philz Kernel, I have nothing to worry about.. and can go about Flashing ROMs like I would any other phone...
So can running this: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=net.vinagre.android.emmc_check&hl=en be dangerous for the device thing? Is the media check, destructive? or does it run in a read-mode only...??
I tried the above App on my HP Touchpad, because as far as I am aware it doesnt suffer the eMMC bug of any kind, and just wanted to see what it would do... It said my 32GB passed fine... Yippie... lol
Ah cool about the batteries, its only in case it dont hold out... But I would imagine it would still be ok... I had my Blade 1 for about 3 years before the Touchscreen went, and yet the battery was as good as the day I got it...
As for price, yeah thats exactly what I was thinking too, around the £100... at a push, I'd say £125... meet half way. But certainly not £150. As never know it could die on me at any time, esp if she sent it to Voda twice....
Thanks again, much appreciated...
1) If I install Philz Kernel via Download Mode (so no Yellow Triangle), when I flash a new ROM, does it wipe Philz Kernel, or does it stay there? Do I have to keep Flashing it after a ROM?
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If you install via download mode + Odin, you'll get the Yellow triangle. The best bet, is to put the kernel in the sdcard, reboot to recovery, and flash it through there. After that, you get the CWM or other recovery and can flash at will. No yellow triangle for you
2) Now you got me worried about Android 4.3 (as if ICS wasnt bad enough). So if I install a Android 4.3 based ROM, is there a chance I could possible brick it with CM10.2, or does Philz Kernel take care of that too...??
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The kernel devs have disabled/disarmed the bug in 4.3/CM102 kernels as well, you won't have the TRIM effects of 4.3, but you won't have bricks either.
Makes me wonder how Samsung managed to sell that many Note, Note II, S2, S3 and S4 devices that all have faulty components, one way or another... Starting to think the ZTE may be a safer bet...
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I'm not sure if all this devices share the bug, and S4 only has it if it's a exynos, the Qualcomm one probably hasn't.
That said, someone told me as long as I use Philz Kernel, I have nothing to worry about.. and can go about Flashing ROMs like I would any other phone...
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True, but most kernels state on OP that it has the buggy code disabled. Remember, PhilZ's kernel is a TW rom kernel, not a AOSP/CM kernel.
So can running this: https://play.google.com/store/apps/d...mc_check&hl=en be dangerous for the device thing? Is the media check, destructive? or does it run in a read-mode only...??
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Running it no, it just reads the ID of the eMMC controler and reports if it has been confirmed or not to be faulty, TRUSTING it is dangerous. Stay on SAFE kernels.
I tried the above App on my HP Touchpad, because as far as I am aware it doesnt suffer the eMMC bug of any kind, and just wanted to see what it would do... It said my 32GB passed fine... Yippie... lol
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Of course, it's not using Samsung NAND Still, the TP does not support TRIM yet...
Ah cool about the batteries, its only in case it dont hold out... But I would imagine it would still be ok... I had my Blade 1 for about 3 years before the Touchscreen went, and yet the battery was as good as the day I got it...
As for price, yeah thats exactly what I was thinking too, around the £100... at a push, I'd say £125... meet half way. But certainly not £150. As never know it could die on me at any time, esp if she sent it to Voda twice....
Thanks again, much appreciated...
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Stay safe, if the device seems weird, ask for a time. Like, give half and the other half next week. Gives you time to check it. Of course the seller might not be up to it.
If you install via download mode + Odin, you'll get the Yellow triangle. The best bet, is to put the kernel in the sdcard, reboot to recovery, and flash it through there. After that, you get the CWM or other recovery and can flash at will. No yellow triangle for you
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My mistake, I got confused between Download Mode and Recovery Mode... God, I am doomed to SamsungHell, before I even get this device.. lol
The kernel devs have disabled/disarmed the bug in 4.3/CM102 kernels as well, you won't have the TRIM effects of 4.3, but you won't have bricks either.
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Thats cools, I had a feeling the Devs of each rom, would remove any iffy/dangerous code before releasing... However, I am a Noob to 4.3... What does it mean by "wont have TRIM effects"? Is this a useful feature, on a safe device?
I'm not sure if all this devices share the bug, and S4 only has it if it's a exynos, the Qualcomm one probably hasn't.
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Fair play, just seen Apps in Store that fix Freeze, eMMC, and Sudden Death, and makes me wonder how reliable Samsung is.. Think I'll stick to Qualcomm again after this device.. lol
True, but most kernels state on OP that it has the buggy code disabled. Remember, PhilZ's kernel is a TW rom kernel, not a AOSP/CM kernel.
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I'm confused now, so if I install Philz, I cant then use it to wipe and install ROMs, such as PAC Rom (4.3 based) as that has CM base in it... So will that rom, do something to Philz, if I flash it??
Running it no, it just reads the ID of the eMMC controler and reports if it has been confirmed or not to be faulty, TRUSTING it is dangerous. Stay on SAFE kernels.
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I'm still very new to this N7000 m'larky.... and so think its prolly best I stick to just Philz, if thats the correct thing to say/do...??
Of course, it's not using Samsung NAND Still, the TP does not support TRIM yet...
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So the TP could support TRIM (whatever that is??) in future, and so need to be cautious there too...??
Stay safe, if the device seems weird, ask for a time. Like, give half and the other half next week. Gives you time to check it. Of course the seller might not be up to it.
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Your right, she prolly wont agree to that... However, I think she is ok... So she will prolly let me just use it first before taking money... Or if summit does go wrong, providing I didnt cause it (hopefully) I am sure she would take it back, and refund... She got the device on Contract, and so she has already paid the money for it, what I give her is just extra cash for what she'd prolly just leave in the draw when she gets her new phone... I am seeing my mate (not the seller, the go-between person) tomorrow, who I get on very well with... We are going for drinks, so will get chance to have a good play/feel with it tomorrow, and see what its like...
Sorry for all the Noob questions, on any other device I am ok, as I feel safe with those, and can tweak and flash to my hearts content... Just, hearing so many danger stories with this... and once you Brick it, there is no going back... No switch off, count to 10, and reboot and all is fine... Its dud with this if all goes wrong... So thank you for being so patient and helpful to me with this...
Hi Daedric,
Ok, I saw the phone today... and it is in MINT condition... No scratches or scuffs anywhere over screen, or rest of body of phone... Except for tiny tiny scuff near charging socket, but that is all...
Phone appears to be fine.... played around on net, downloaded Apps, opened camera... I didnt take any pictures as it didnt have an SD Card in it, and didnt want the flash to go off in a pub... Although I was expecting the LED to turn on when I selected it in the camera. It does on the Huawei G300 when its too dark. But still, Im sure this will work...
I downloaded AndroSensor and they all seemed to be working....
I ran the eMMC Bug checker app, and of course it has the chip as expected. I couldnt test the media, as it wasnt Rooted, and didnt really want to Root as it's not mine yet... So not fair on seller to make changes.
All seems good... However....
1) When I went into Storage, Total Available Storage, I think USB showed up as 11Gb. Is this normal, as its a 16Gb model... Has the other 5GB been alocated towards ROM, and various other partitions...?? Or is there space missing...???
2) Although I didnt see it when I used it, apparently the phone Freezes from time to time in certain Apps. And this is why it has been sent for repair... Although the first time, apparently Vodafone put it down to the type of Apps she had on, and that there was too many. Second time, they didnt repair it... They just returned it as Faulty / Not repaired. And then on further inspection, the fault appears to be Battery. As the battery has a sticker on it saying Faulty.... Even though it seemed to be holding its charge ok.
2a) So, are the freezes normal, under stock JB 4.1.2? If I installed a custom rom, will this ease/fix the freezes. Or if I even did all the wipes and reflashed any rom, is it likely to fix it?? ie: bad stock rom install ??
2b) Could battery have any likely hood it freezing or acting odd?? (even though I didnt see this myself) I could just buy a new battery for it...
So, not sure what kinda price to go for.... She has quoted £150, its in MINT condition with box and everything with it.... Only ever spoke to her online, as she is a friend of a friend. Do I go for the £150, or do you think its not really worth that, in case of issues... (ie: sent to Vodafone twice, even though they didnt fix anything) and for the chances it could 'only assuming' break outside warranty?
Thanks for any input....
Cheers, Lister
My mistake, I got confused between Download Mode and Recovery Mode... God, I am doomed to SamsungHell, before I even get this device.. lol
Fair play, just seen Apps in Store that fix Freeze, eMMC, and Sudden Death, and makes me wonder how reliable Samsung is.. Think I'll stick to Qualcomm again after this device.. lol
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Be advised, from someone that comes form Qualcomm and HTC. On Samsung, RECOVERY IS INSIDE THE BOOT. It's not on a separate partition. Flashing a kernel, flashes a recovery. Yeah.. SamSungHell.
Thats cools, I had a feeling the Devs of each rom, would remove any iffy/dangerous code before releasing... However, I am a Noob to 4.3... What does it mean by "wont have TRIM effects"? Is this a useful feature, on a safe device?
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TRIM is something that speeds up eMMC and SSDs, specially with erases/deletes. Go read about TRIM, it's better than explaining it. No, since we don't have already, you won't miss it on 4.3.
I'm confused now, so if I install Philz, I cant then use it to wipe and install ROMs, such as PAC Rom (4.3 based) as that has CM base in it... So will that rom, do something to Philz, if I flash it??
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PhilZ kernel is a TW kernel, so it only works with Samsung's Touchwiz based roms. You can use TW kernel to flash AOSP/CM, and CM kernel to flash Touchwiz. Samsung and HTC tweak Android so much that kernel tweaks are also necessary. Still, don't sweat it, just remember, if your running a TW rom, either official or custom, flash ONLY touchwiz kernels. If running AOSP based roms (AOSP, CM, PAC, AOKP etc) flash AOSP/CM kernel. Carefull with versions though.
So the TP could support TRIM (whatever that is??) in future, and so need to be cautious there too...??
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*OFFTOPIC* Yes, there's a dev trying to enable it. Has it stands, the kernels don't support trim (try running on a terminal the fstrim app, same thing.)
Phone appears to be fine.... played around on net, downloaded Apps, opened camera... I didnt take any pictures as it didnt have an SD Card in it, and didnt want the flash to go off in a pub... Although I was expecting the LED to turn on when I selected it in the camera. It does on the Huawei G300 when its too dark. But still, Im sure this will work...
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RED FLAG! In the absense of a sd card, the camera will use its internal storage. Also, when flash set to ON (instead of Auto or off), it will always fire. There's a widget to enable it also. Carefull there, a flash led should be easy to replace, circuitry for it not so much.
When I went into Storage, Total Available Storage, I think USB showed up as 11Gb. Is this normal, as its a 16Gb model... Has the other 5GB been alocated towards ROM, and various other partitions...?? Or is there space missing...???
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Normal, the device as 16GB total, take the standard Android partitions and you get 11GB.
Although I didnt see it when I used it, apparently the phone Freezes from time to time in certain Apps. And this is why it has been sent for repair... Although the first time, apparently Vodafone put it down to the type of Apps she had on, and that there was too many. Second time, they didnt repair it... They just returned it as Faulty / Not repaired. And then on further inspection, the fault appears to be Battery. As the battery has a sticker on it saying Faulty.... Even though it seemed to be holding its charge ok.
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Theoretically normal, could be the Vodafone UK rom and their BLOATWARE, could also be the battery. Maybe it charges OK, and it lasts fine, but when the devices ramps up both CPU and GPU, the batery cannot keep up the amperage. That lack of power usually is enough to produce micro errors, the type that can be caught and fixed in time, but causing a error on a process and ence, slowdowns.
So, are the freezes normal, under stock JB 4.1.2? If I installed a custom rom, will this ease/fix the freezes. Or if I even did all the wipes and reflashed any rom, is it likely to fix it?? ie: bad stock rom install ??
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Yeah, TW is quite heavy, the standard apps are a pain in the ass.
2b) Could battery have any likely hood it freezing or acting odd?? (even though I didnt see this myself) I could just buy a new battery for it...
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Yeap, just like on a computer, on a faulty PSU can cause the weirdest of issues, like BSOD from nothing, RAM not detected or partially detected, won't reset properly even though it cold boots fine, or perhaps that one where under load the mobo just reboots/turns off due to the lack of stable power. With eletronics, power stability is a must, energy fluctuations are it's biggest enemy.
Sorry for all the Noob questions, on any other device I am ok, as I feel safe with those, and can tweak and flash to my hearts content... Just, hearing so many danger stories with this... and once you Brick it, there is no going back... No switch off, count to 10, and reboot and all is fine... Its dud with this if all goes wrong... So thank you for being so patient and helpful to me with this...
So, not sure what kinda price to go for.... She has quoted £150, its in MINT condition with box and everything with it.... Only ever spoke to her online, as she is a friend of a friend. Do I go for the £150, or do you think its not really worth that, in case of issues... (ie: sent to Vodafone twice, even though they didnt fix anything) and for the chances it could 'only assuming' break outside warranty?
Thanks for any input....
Cheers, Lister
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Test the flash led, i don't want you to buy it on my advice. The battery can easily be replaced, the rest not so. If the flash led works, if the camera snaps pictures, if everything is on the box, oh well, welcome to the club. Remember, it might be 150£ + 15£ for the battery.
Be advised, from someone that comes form Qualcomm and HTC. On Samsung, RECOVERY IS INSIDE THE BOOT. It's not on a separate partition. Flashing a kernel, flashes a recovery. Yeah.. SamSungHell.
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This is starting to sound a little confusing now... Never owned a device like this before... Had the ZTE Blade, HP Touchpad running Android, and some other random chinese device.... Managed to mess around with those in safety, knowing that I cant do it no harm... I'm sure this will be ok once I get use too it. But I just fear certain Apps could kill it, unintentionally..
TRIM is something that speeds up eMMC and SSDs, specially with erases/deletes. Go read about TRIM, it's better than explaining it. No, since we don't have already, you won't miss it on 4.3.
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Okie dokies, I shall have a read up about that.... As you say, prolly to much to explain about in a short Answer. First I heard about it was on Samsung and that it could kill certain devices, then I heard it was a feature of Android 4.3...
PhilZ kernel is a TW kernel, so it only works with Samsung's Touchwiz based roms. You can use TW kernel to flash AOSP/CM, and CM kernel to flash Touchwiz. Samsung and HTC tweak Android so much that kernel tweaks are also necessary. Still, don't sweat it, just remember, if your running a TW rom, either official or custom, flash ONLY touchwiz kernels. If running AOSP based roms (AOSP, CM, PAC, AOKP etc) flash AOSP/CM kernel. Carefull with versions though.
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Sorry to be such a Noob, and clueless with this device. All other devices, it was simple... We just needed one Recovery.... CWM! However, now it seems I need different ones for different ROMs. I mainly plan to use PAC 4.3... However, of course this toy will be new to me, so I would like to try various ROMs, inc CM, PAC and STOCK (based on GB, ICS only if safe on safe kernel, and JB)... Could I do all of this in the latest Philz? Or do I need to use a different one (and which others, I only know of Philz). Also regarding Philz, do I use the 5.11.02 (heard that has heat related issues) or do I use 5.08.xx (which people seem to be going back too...?) And also which Philz do I need, apparently my Baseband is N7000XXLT3 (I couldnt see a Philz that matched that...?)
*OFFTOPIC* Yes, there's a dev trying to enable it. Has it stands, the kernels don't support trim (try running on a terminal the fstrim app, same thing.)
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Oh right, well my current PAC rom on Touchpad is running just fine and dandy at the moment... (Its about two versions behind.... but it has features that are removed in the latest... so I will stick with that. Triple booting WebOS, Android and Ubuntu....
RED FLAG! In the absense of a sd card, the camera will use its internal storage. Also, when flash set to ON (instead of Auto or off), it will always fire. There's a widget to enable it also. Carefull there, a flash led should be easy to replace, circuitry for it not so much.
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It prolly would of saved on the internal memory... But I was wary of (if the flash did work) that it would go off in a busy pub... Last thing I need is big butch Barry looking over me... lol... But yes I have asked my mate to check the camera and Flash for me... Shall let you know..
Normal, the device as 16GB total, take the standard Android partitions and you get 11GB.
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Oh ok, thats put my mind at rest... Was starting to think I'm loosing some storage But didnt know how much N7000 puts aside for itself... I bought a 32GB SD for it last weekend...
Theoretically normal, could be the Vodafone UK rom and their BLOATWARE, could also be the battery. Maybe it charges OK, and it lasts fine, but when the devices ramps up both CPU and GPU, the batery cannot keep up the amperage. That lack of power usually is enough to produce micro errors, the type that can be caught and fixed in time, but causing a error on a process and ence, slowdowns.
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I did wonder if it could be Apps... Im not sure if its still fully fresh STOCK, or whether she has downloaded all kinds of Apps too it... As it seems the same Apps as in store demo of Note II... But I shall start it from clean anyway, will be getting rid of 4.1.2 anyway in favour of PAC 4.3
Yeah, TW is quite heavy, the standard apps are a pain in the ass.
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As per above, the amount of Apps on there, just made it looked cluttered... so shall start from clean and either remove them, or just remove the OS...
Yeap, just like on a computer, on a faulty PSU can cause the weirdest of issues, like BSOD from nothing, RAM not detected or partially detected, won't reset properly even though it cold boots fine, or perhaps that one where under load the mobo just reboots/turns off due to the lack of stable power. With eletronics, power stability is a must, energy fluctuations are it's biggest enemy.
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Putting it like that, does make an awful lot of good sense... I work in computers, and have come across the odd iffy PSU, and the random faults it generates because of not hitting the right power ratings... So I shall invest in a new battery just to be on the safe side...
Test the flash led, i don't want you to buy it on my advice. The battery can easily be replaced, the rest not so. If the flash led works, if the camera snaps pictures, if everything is on the box, oh well, welcome to the club. Remember, it might be 150£ + 15£ for the battery.
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Thats ok mate, I fully fully appreciate all of your advice... You have been a great source of knowledge and support. Really appreciate the lengths and details you have gone into explaining this for/to me... Sorry to be such a pain, and all the (possible pointless questions) you've put my mind at ease. I dare say i have more questions when I get it too, if thats ok...?
Thanks, Lister
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This is starting to sound a little confusing now... Never owned a device like this before... Had the ZTE Blade, HP Touchpad running Android, and some other random chinese device.... Managed to mess around with those in safety, knowing that I cant do it no harm... I'm sure this will be ok once I get use too it. But I just fear certain Apps could kill it, unintentionally..
Sorry to be such a Noob, and clueless with this device. All other devices, it was simple... We just needed one Recovery.... CWM! However, now it seems I need different ones for different ROMs. I mainly plan to use PAC 4.3... However, of course this toy will be new to me, so I would like to try various ROMs, inc CM, PAC and STOCK (based on GB, ICS only if safe on safe kernel, and JB)... Could I do all of this in the latest Philz? Or do I need to use a different one (and which others, I only know of Philz). Also regarding Philz, do I use the 5.11.02 (heard that has heat related issues) or do I use 5.08.xx (which people seem to be going back too...?) And also which Philz do I need, apparently my Baseband is N7000XXLT3 (I couldnt see a Philz that matched that...?)
The Blade, like so many other Android devices, was running AOSP. Maybe a theme, a few custom apps like dialer and contacts, but nothing major. Porting AOSP and CM to it was a "easy" task. Samsung, HTC and a few others, take this customization to a new level. From the lockscreen, notifications, dialer, contacs, everything is custom made. Usually, this requires tweaks to the Android Framework. That makes a few OEM apps incompatible with AOSP (you can't just pick the camera app from TW and expect it to run on AOSP, it won't). To make matters worse, this framework difference is augmented but Linux Kernel tweaks. So, you now have a Android version that requires a custom tailored kernel. Ence the kernel versions of Samsung and HTC.
So, Samsung N7000 has 2 major branches , TW which stopped on 4.1.2 (be it official or custom) and AOSP which is on 4.3 (all custom, there's no official AOSP for the note like the GS4). HTC also has this, there's the Sense branch, and the AOSP branch.
Now, MOST (i almost dare say ALL but one) have the recovery on a separated partition, along with it's micro kernel. Recovery is like a small Linux OS with a small kernel, to do it's tasks. On the Blade any most others, it's on a separated partition, there's /boot for the Android kernel and boot files, and a hidden partition with the Recovery kernel and necessary files. If you press a certain keys while booting, instead of /boot the device uses that partition and Recovery loads.
Now, Samsung like ****ing retards they are, decided to have recovery mixed with the boot partition, and i suspect that it's dependend on the Android kernel. The problem here is, you flash a kernel, you flash a recovery. Your new recovery MIGHT not be able to restore that NAND backup that you did on your old recovery. Worse, you damage that partition, you're left without means to boot android, or recovery to fix it.
So, it's might be a major pain in the ass, but it's not so bad. Just have to pay attention.
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Android is based on a few partitions, there's /boot for kernel and such, /system for the Android OS, config files and the very basic, /data for your apps, settings, saves, etc, /cache to keep a fast cache, and lastly sdcard0 and sdcard1 for internal and external storage.
Now, Samsung, like genius they are, decided to add another one to the mixture, /preload. This partition is only used by TW roms (TW does not fit inside /system unless you start cutting alot of standard apps).
Most TW kernel and it's recovery, can backup /preload on a NAND backup. Most AOSP kernels and CWR can't.
Also, by some mysterious reason, ALL TW based recoveries DON'T backup /preload by default, you have to go and set it so.
When and if you get the device, things will start to become clearer
Hi DaedRic,
WOW.... where do I start??? Your knowledge on both Android (as a system) and of this device specifically is impressive, and really interesting to know/hear. Plus you explain it such ways as to go into great detail but not too hard and not to dumbed down either... Really appreciate it, and learning lots by it already.... Didnt know the differences by the two different kinds of ROM sets, or the way that Samsung likes to mix (MESS) things up a bit with the Kernel and Recovery as one... This is gonna take some getting use too, when playing with ROMs...
I think when I get the device, and choose which ROMs to play with, might give you a heads up first, to seek what to use when flashing them. But for a long while/time, I'll just mess with PAC 4.3 for now as it seems complete and feature rich...
I shall learn it, and get use to its special ways...
I am certainly getting this device now, and picking it up on Friday Managed to get it down to £100 too, so makes it even sweater deal
This is gonna be a HUGE upgrade for me, being based on my very first Android phone, ZTE Blade 1...
What Philz Kernel do I need if the baseband is N7000 XXLT3 please, as I couldnt see that one listed... only LT5 and LT10 I think??
Many thanks once again... Lister
What Philz Kernel do I need if the baseband is N7000 XXLT3 please, as I couldnt see that one listed... only LT5 and LT10 I think??
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Those letters, LT3, XXLT3, LT5, LT10 are Samsung rom version and location (example Vodafone UK JB 4.1.2)
LT3 is the latest baseband/radio for the Note i think, LT10 is the latest ROM. Still, you can use Philz LT10 with a inferior LT rom.
BTW, PAC is AOSP, you're not going to use Philz
Hi DaedRic,
Oh no, I hate to have to do this... but... where do I go / do, now???
With all the above, I was (and am) trying to take it all in... re: TW and ASOP kernels. But from my early research on the boards (other posts) I was led to believe, Philz Kernel was the holy grail of all Kernels/Recoveries...??
However, Philz is now only for TW (TouchWiz?) based ROMs, which can include official Samsung Stock roms. Can that be, GB, ICS and JB Stock Roms...? And is ICS safe now if I keep Philz Kernel on there??? And if I ever had, but not likely too.. the desire to Factory Reset, within Android Settings, Security, Wipe... that the phone is safe?? Also, Philz Kernel supports CM based Roms too??
However, PAC is AOSP based rom.... So which/what Kernel/Recovery do I need for this? And yet this AOSP, also supports CM based roms, much like Philz TW based Kernel...??
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How do I keep flashing/changing these Kernels...?? Can I keep a copy of all the Kernels somewhere on the SD Card, and Flash into them via Stock Recovery?? As i was led to believe you did so with Philz one, as it wouldnt increase Samsungs Counter (another thing I need to get my head around...)
So baring in mind, I am getting this device on Friday... what are my first instructions/steps to do to this device??
Running Stock Vodafone UK firmware, JellyBean 4.1.2 non-rooted.
If only there was a Kernel / Recovery that supported all... Gosh, the days of ZTE were so simple... Just had ClockWorkMod and that was it... lol
Sorry to be such a pain/noob... / Thanks, Lister
With all the above, I was (and am) trying to take it all in... re: TW and ASOP kernels. But from my early research on the boards (other posts) I was led to believe, Philz Kernel was the holy grail of all Kernels/Recoveries...??
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It is. PhilZ is a Stock TouchWiz kernel, difference is the fact that it's SAFE, and the recovery. PhilZ recovery rocks
However, Philz is now only for TW (TouchWiz?) based ROMs, which can include official Samsung Stock roms. Can that be, GB, ICS and JB Stock Roms...? And is ICS safe now if I keep Philz Kernel on there??? And if I ever had, but not likely too.. the desire to Factory Reset, within Android Settings, Security, Wipe... that the phone is safe?? Also, Philz Kernel supports CM based Roms too??
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Facts:
Philz Kernel is a Touchwiz ONLY kernel
GB is outdated
So is ICS
Touchwiz ICS is safe if using safe kernels.
If you're using a safe kernel, there's nothing you can do to trigger the bug
PhilZ does not work on AOSP/CM roms.
However, PAC is AOSP based rom.... So which/what Kernel/Recovery do I need for this? And yet this AOSP, also supports CM based roms, much like Philz TW based Kernel...??
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Well, stock CM kernel is pretty good, there's also the RAW kernel. Both come with standard CWR.
How do I keep flashing/changing these Kernels...?? Can I keep a copy of all the Kernels somewhere on the SD Card, and Flash into them via Stock Recovery?? As i was led to believe you did so with Philz one, as it wouldnt increase Samsungs Counter (another thing I need to get my head around...)
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Here's how i do, i have a ROMS folder on the sdcard. Inside, 2 folders, TW and CM. Inside touchwiz i keep Touchwiz roms (one per directory) and kernels. Inside CM i keep CM roms, gapps, and mods.
If i'm going to flash for example this: [ROM] Sweet ROM V10.5 LT9 4.1.2 [NEW 12th Sept], i flash the rom and either PhilZ latest, or C.o.H. kernel. No need for GAPPS on TW roms.
If i'm going to flash next CM 10.2, i will boot to recovery, be greeted by Philz recovery, wipe everything, flash rom, flash gapps, flash kernel, flash mod. Simple
Philz recovery can flash CM roms, CWR recovery can flash TW roms. It's the NAND backups that you must be carefull.
So baring in mind, I am getting this device on Friday... what are my first instructions/steps to do to this device??
Running Stock Vodafone UK firmware, JellyBean 4.1.2 non-rooted.
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First, i would copy PhilZ kernel to the root of the sdcard. Then i would boot to recovery (for now, standard samsung recovery) and flash it.
Reboot, reboot to recovery. Now you have PhilZ recovery and you can flash whatevah you see fit. I would start with a good Touchwiz based rom, see what the device was made to do, but without that carrier crapware. TW camera beats every other option out there. Then i would flash CM10.2, see how fast(er) the device became, see the limitations you get (camera is still good, just not as nice)
To be honest, i'm a CM guy. Touchwiz is SO UGLY, SO unfinishes, so unpolished. After having CM10.2/AOSP4.3, TW feels like a Nokia and Symbian. Unfortunately, camera has a few flaws on CM. I choose CM, sacrificing camera. You choose what best you like
If only there was a Kernel / Recovery that supported all... Gosh, the days of ZTE were so simple... Just had ClockWorkMod and that was it... lol
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ZTE was simple once you got the grasp of it, the Note will become simple as well, after a while of tinkering with it, you'll get the concept of TW vs AOSP, PhilZ vs CWR, etc etc. With great power comes great responsability
Sorry to be such a pain/noob... / Thanks, Lister
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Not a pain I was also a noob, and i made a few mistakes. Nothing major, but could be avoided
When you get the device, there's something you MUST backup. First thing you do after having root, is backup the EFS partition.
Inside it, there's a few files that have the device (hardware) config, namely, IMEI. Corrupt it, and you get a Wifi only Note
Hi DaedRic,
Sorry for the delay getting back to you...
It is. PhilZ is a Stock TouchWiz kernel, difference is the fact that it's SAFE, and the recovery. PhilZ recovery rocks
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It certainly soundED (and still does) it. When I first read about Philz kernel, I thought that was it, one flash of that and job done... Rest can be done in this.... So wished Philz was a Universal Kernel for all ROMs lol Still hats off, it does look rather impressive even still.
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Philz Kernel is a Touchwiz ONLY kernel
GB is outdated
So is ICS
Touchwiz ICS is safe if using safe kernels.
If you're using a safe kernel, there's nothing you can do to trigger the bug
PhilZ does not work on AOSP/CM roms.
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1) Ok, so I've got that Philz is only for TW based ROM, thats sunk in... So wished it could do all, simples lol
2) True, it is, but I always love to have a little play, nostalgia (spelling, who knows??) and go back once in a while... Did that with the Blade.
3) Same as 2) always like to tinker, see whats out there...
4) I should be fine providing its a TW rom running on Philz, or alternative kernel for CM/AOSP roms..
5) Phewww.... Well, it looks like there are only 3x kernels to choose from so cant go too wrong...?? lol
6) DARN IT!!! If only it could...
Well, stock CM kernel is pretty good, there's also the RAW kernel. Both come with standard CWR.
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You threw me when you mentioned CWR, but I assume you mean ClockWork Recovery? (always know it as CWM). I've looked at RAW, COH and NX kernel for anything thats not TW based... Not sure which is the better to use...?? Is there just one of those kernels that will support all GB, ICS, JB roms...?
Here's how i do, i have a ROMS folder on the sdcard. Inside, 2 folders, TW and CM. Inside touchwiz i keep Touchwiz roms (one per directory) and kernels. Inside CM i keep CM roms, gapps, and mods.
If i'm going to flash for example this: [ROM] Sweet ROM V10.5 LT9 4.1.2 [NEW 12th Sept], i flash the rom and either PhilZ latest, or C.o.H. kernel. No need for GAPPS on TW roms.
If i'm going to flash next CM 10.2, i will boot to recovery, be greeted by Philz recovery, wipe everything, flash rom, flash gapps, flash kernel, flash mod. Simple
Philz recovery can flash CM roms, CWR recovery can flash TW roms. It's the NAND backups that you must be carefull.
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Thats kinda similar to how I did it on the Blade, although obviously not setup for TW and CM based, as they were all CM based.. But had folders for GB, ICS and JB, and then had a Mods folder... So Ive taken note how you've done it, and started to create the folders, and drop as many files as I can in ready. Such as ROMs, Philz Kernel in the TW folder... But still trying to find a good CM/AOSP kernel... Do I need to use a Kernel if I install any of the Cyanogen ROMs? just as CM7, CM9, CM10 (do they come with their own Kernel or still need to find one?)
Which two kernels do you use, or do you test others out?? Is there some kind of (non TW) Universal one that can be applied to ALL other roms?
First, i would copy PhilZ kernel to the root of the sdcard. Then i would boot to recovery (for now, standard samsung recovery) and flash it.
Reboot, reboot to recovery. Now you have PhilZ recovery and you can flash whatevah you see fit. I would start with a good Touchwiz based rom, see what the device was made to do, but without that carrier crapware. TW camera beats every other option out there. Then i would flash CM10.2, see how fast(er) the device became, see the limitations you get (camera is still good, just not as nice)
To be honest, i'm a CM guy. Touchwiz is SO UGLY, SO unfinishes, so unpolished. After having CM10.2/AOSP4.3, TW feels like a Nokia and Symbian. Unfortunately, camera has a few flaws on CM. I choose CM, sacrificing camera. You choose what best you like
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I will be picking the phone up in a pub (again), so I will have Philz Recovery done in there, just so I know its done and its safe... However I wont flash any ROMS until I am home, so I know I am safe, I have Internet access should anything go wrong... lol... But yes, Prolly play with stock ROM for a little while... I assume if I have Philz Kernel on there anyway (even though its JB based) I can go within Android, Settings, Security, and Reset it... So I loose all the customizations the previous user had, so its like new... So I will play with that for a bit... But then go to PAC ROM after that...
ZTE was simple once you got the grasp of it, the Note will become simple as well, after a while of tinkering with it, you'll get the concept of TW vs AOSP, PhilZ vs CWR, etc etc. With great power comes great responsability
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I hope so, it doesnt take me long really to get use to how things work... and with most other things, Im not normally as nervous... Touchpad was a breeze to triple-boot. Just worried with this device, after hearing all the horror stories. But as long as i read and follow, I should be safe... should.... lol... Love the Spiderman quote too
Not a pain I was also a noob, and i made a few mistakes. Nothing major, but could be avoided
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Thank you, you have been really really helpful, certainly gives me confidence to go through the motions that you have so clearly explained... appreciated
When you get the device, there's something you MUST backup. First thing you do after having root, is backup the EFS partition.
Inside it, there's a few files that have the device (hardware) config, namely, IMEI. Corrupt it, and you get a Wifi only Note
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Oh yes, I did hear about that... and thanks for reminding me!! I shall do that in the pub before i forget anything else. I'll back it up to SD and to Cloud, just in case anything happens... thank you..
FX Explorer is a great File Manager, especially when digging around with Root access...
Thank you once again Im sure it will come clearer once I get it, and play with it more...
You threw me when you mentioned CWR, but I assume you mean ClockWork Recovery? (always know it as CWM). I've looked at RAW, COH and NX kernel for anything thats not TW based... Not sure which is the better to use...?? Is there just one of those kernels that will support all GB, ICS, JB roms...?
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ClockWorkMod, ClockWork Recovery, same
Regarding kernels:
[KERNEL][AOSP] Raw Kernel r3 -- simple&fast kernel
[KERNEL][TW][LINARO][UV]c.o.h.'s HelloWorld [v1.3.7b][19.MAY.13]
[KERNEL][14/07] NX-Kernel v1.4.2:
STOP! This kernel supports ONLY CM10.1.x, AOKP-4.2.2, PA-4.2.2 ROMs.
It won't work on Samsung Jellybean/ICS, AOSP ICS, CM9 or CM10.
[21.08.2013][PhilZ-cwm6][n7000] v5.11.2 Stock Kernel+CWM6+Root+exFAT+NTFS-LT9
You should always read the thread title, and OP's posts, usually the first 2 or 3.
For Touchwiz roms, either go Stock with Philz (most custom roms already come with it) or go the extra mile with C.o.H. CoH has a few more governors, and things not available in stock, but might prove unstable in the wrong hands.
For CM, either remain stock, or go with NX Kernel for CM 10.1 or Raw V3 for CM10.1 or V3 for CM10.2 (they're differente).
s there just one of those kernels that will support all GB, ICS, JB roms...?
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That should be impossible, there are a few kernels that claim to support multiple android, but in fact the bundle the differente kernels on the zip and when flashing in CWM detect the correct android version and flash the acording kernel.
Do I need to use a Kernel if I install any of the Cyanogen ROMs? just as CM7, CM9, CM10 (do they come with their own Kernel or still need to find one?)
Which two kernels do you use, or do you test others out?? Is there some kind of (non TW) Universal one that can be applied to ALL other roms?
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If going Touchwiz, i either use PhilZ or if i'm feeling like tinkering go with CoH. CoH as the Interactive governor, i kind of like it, even though it's not the best governor for Exynos devices. (or so they say..)
If i'm going CM, i either use CM kernel, or flash RAW V3. CM CWM calls internal storage sdcard0 and external sdcard1, RAW calls it internal and external. RAW was compiled with Linaro, should provide a slight boost, but any major effects are probably placebo.
So there you go, TW-> Philz or COH ; CM-> Original or RAW
I will be picking the phone up in a pub (again), so I will have Philz Recovery done in there, just so I know its done and its safe... However I wont flash any ROMS until I am home, so I know I am safe, I have Internet access should anything go wrong... lol... But yes, Prolly play with stock ROM for a little while... I assume if I have Philz Kernel on there anyway (even though its JB based) I can go within Android, Settings, Security, and Reset it... So I loose all the customizations the previous user had, so its like new... So I will play with that for a bit... But then go to PAC ROM after that...
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Uhm.. should be easy. Go [21.08.2013][PhilZ-cwm6][n7000] v5.11.2 Stock Kernel+CWM6+Root+exFAT+NTFS-LT9, and go to post 3, in this section:
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Recovery (.zip) packages instructions - Will also root your phone * recommanded method *
They come in the form of -signed.zip files that can be flashed in stock recovery 3e: No Yellow Triangle
Find this link : http://d-h.st/users/philz_touch/?fld_id=16061#files
Open folder v5.11.2, download PhilZ-cwm6-XXLT9-ORA-5.11.2-signed.zip, copy it to SD Card root, reboot to stock recovery, and flash it.
Only do this if you're running Official JB 4.1.2, otherwise you need other kernel version.
Thank you once again Im sure it will come clearer once I get it, and play with it more...
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Yes it will
Hi DaedRic,
Guess what I picked up yesterday, yippie Im now part of the N7000 gang... and I must say, I'm LOVING IT!!!!
ClockWorkMod, ClockWork Recovery, same
Regarding kernels:
[KERNEL][AOSP] Raw Kernel r3 -- simple&fast kernel
[KERNEL][TW][LINARO][UV]c.o.h.'s HelloWorld [v1.3.7b][19.MAY.13]
[KERNEL][14/07] NX-Kernel v1.4.2:
STOP! This kernel supports ONLY CM10.1.x, AOKP-4.2.2, PA-4.2.2 ROMs.
It won't work on Samsung Jellybean/ICS, AOSP ICS, CM9 or CM10.
[21.08.2013][PhilZ-cwm6][n7000] v5.11.2 Stock Kernel+CWM6+Root+exFAT+NTFS-LT9
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I've downloaded various kernels, and placed them in the relevant folders, so should make it either to use/choose when flashing ROMs... I think Im getting used to which kernel is for which rom... Just a little confused about the PAC (ASOP rom based?). Was using stock CM kernel, but then flashed RAW v3 CM10.2 (as on PAC, with Android 4.3) as I thought it offered more kernels/performance tweaks... But looks the same, still, it works so not complaining... lol
You should always read the thread title, and OP's posts, usually the first 2 or 3.
For Touchwiz roms, either go Stock with Philz (most custom roms already come with it) or go the extra mile with C.o.H. CoH has a few more governors, and things not available in stock, but might prove unstable in the wrong hands.
For CM, either remain stock, or go with NX Kernel for CM 10.1 or Raw V3 for CM10.1 or V3 for CM10.2 (they're differente).
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Must say, I did love the Philz Kernel / Touch CWR feature, amazing... wished his CWR could be used in all ROMs Gonna try the NX Kernel later...
That should be impossible, there are a few kernels that claim to support multiple android, but in fact the bundle the differente kernels on the zip and when flashing in CWM detect the correct android version and flash the acording kernel.
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Guess your refering to the Hydra(summit) Kernel as I just saw that mentioned the other day in a different website that claims it works on ALL roms... May have a look at that... Whats the worst that will if I install the wrong kernel for the wrong OS?? I assume all mod/developed kernels here are patched for eMMC, so that shouldnt be an issue... I guess it will just mean the Android will not boot...?? It wont cause any lasting damage will it, and I can simply re-flash...??
If going Touchwiz, i either use PhilZ or if i'm feeling like tinkering go with CoH. CoH as the Interactive governor, i kind of like it, even though it's not the best governor for Exynos devices. (or so they say..)
If i'm going CM, i either use CM kernel, or flash RAW V3. CM CWM calls internal storage sdcard0 and external sdcard1, RAW calls it internal and external. RAW was compiled with Linaro, should provide a slight boost, but any major effects are probably placebo.
So there you go, TW-> Philz or COH ; CM-> Original or RAW
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I downloaded Philz, and rooted and installed Recovery.... Must admit, I didnt really like the official stock TW Rom... Seemed ugly and slow/laggy.... PAC 4.3 on the other hand, AMAZING!!! LOVING IT!!!! And it brings back features that were in the original PAC, but missed in the Android 4.2 rom (well, for the Blade it did anyway) as loving the weather changes... this is awesome!!!
Uhm.. should be easy. Go [21.08.2013][PhilZ-cwm6][n7000] v5.11.2 Stock Kernel+CWM6+Root+exFAT+NTFS-LT9, and go to post 3, in this section:
Code:
Recovery (.zip) packages instructions - Will also root your phone * recommanded method *
They come in the form of -signed.zip files that can be flashed in stock recovery 3e: No Yellow Triangle
Find this link : http://d-h.st/users/philz_touch/?fld_id=16061#files
Open folder v5.11.2, download PhilZ-cwm6-XXLT9-ORA-5.11.2-signed.zip, copy it to SD Card root, reboot to stock recovery, and flash it.
Only do this if you're running Official JB 4.1.2, otherwise you need other kernel version.
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Well I got rid of official TW rom now, and running PAC 4.3... All has gone well... I didnt install any Kernel to start with, as I thought/assumed the stock CM one would be ok?? Am I right to think this, or did I need to install a Kernel straight after flashing..? Anyway, I have now installed RAW... and may try NX soon too....
However, when installed PAC 4.3 rom... Its got rid of Philz Recovery, and just has a standard ClockWorkMod recovery... Is this normal and is this safe to do all the normal wipes in...?? Also if I am running Android 4.3, am I safe to do the Factory Reset within this version of Android too??
Can I install Philz Recovery from the current CWM, even if it's just to use for Flashing (I appreciate it will disappear again when installing another rom) But wondered if I could do it in standard CWM or will it introduce the Yellow Triangle...??
I also backed up my EFS straight away, as soon as I got root... Both by navigating to the files directly, and letting Philz Recovery do it too... So I should be safe...
But yes, loving this device....
I do think I have a faulty battery though (like the sticker says on it...) as I was charging it, and the battery was going down whilst plugged in. Still, after installing RAW... The battery/N7000 feels cooler too and is charging normally... But I shall still but an official battery replacement anyway, just to be on the safe side....
Many many thanks for all your help... Im sure I may have some more questions, but you've been a great help... THANK YOU!!!
Darn, can't use NX Kernel as I see it only supports CM10.1 (Android 4.2.x) and now CM10.2 (Android 4.3)
Darn what a pity, as that was starting to sound and look mighty awesome....
Oh well, RAW it it is....
If only there was a way to get the LagFree Governor in, as thats pretty neat....
Hey guys, been a while since I've been here.
Currently, I'm running stock android 6.0.1 (N910FXXU1DPB1) on my Note 4 (Snapdragon).
I flashed this via Odin (because back then it wasn't released in my country yet). Did the usual, clean reset and when i flashed there were no problems (besides meh battery time). But since a week or two I'm having a lot of problems, a lot of random reboots, reboot time is way too long, battery drainage is awful and random freezes. A lot of these problems occur when using snapchat, not sure why.
So now I'm wondering what is the most stable ROM around. Battery life and smoothness are most important to me. At this point, I don't really care if it's a custom ROM or stock. With my old phone (S3) i had a lot of problems after i started running custom ROMs so I'm hoping you guys have some options where this won't happen.
Thanks in advance, Sam
BTW: Sorry for my bad English, it's not my main language.
Another weird thing happened. Just installed TWRP (once again via Odin), but when I reboot into recovery, I first get the message 'installing system update', then it says 'no command' and then it reboots in Android Recovery. Any ideas how to solve this?
Note 4 sucks after this MM update it is worst than any other small budget phone.
anasrizvi said:
Note 4 sucks after this MM update it is worst than any other small budget phone.
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So you'd recommend going back to stock kitkat?
SamC95 said:
Hey guys, been a while since I've been here.
Currently, I'm running stock android 6.0.1 (N910FXXU1DPB1) on my Note 4 (Snapdragon).
I flashed this via Odin (because back then it wasn't released in my country yet). Did the usual, clean reset and when i flashed there were no problems (besides meh battery time). But since a week or two I'm having a lot of problems, a lot of random reboots, reboot time is way too long, battery drainage is awful and random freezes. A lot of these problems occur when using snapchat, not sure why.
So now I'm wondering what is the most stable ROM around. Battery life and smoothness are most important to me. At this point, I don't really care if it's a custom ROM or stock. With my old phone (S3) i had a lot of problems after i started running custom ROMs so I'm hoping you guys have some options where this won't happen.
Thanks in advance, Sam
BTW: Sorry for my bad English, it's not my main language.
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I use and have been using Alexndr's ROM's for ages! They are reliable have plenty of options (root/no root, odexed/deodexed, xposed or not) ... he regularly updates and sorts out peoples' problems (although I have never had one) and produces a very stable ROM.
His instructions are clear and easily understood and he knows what he is doing! My favourite ROM maker ... Thanks Alexndr!!
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I use and have been using Alexndr's ROM's for ages! They are reliable have plenty of options (root/no root, odexed/deodexed, xposed or not) ... he regularly updates and sorts out peoples' problems (although I have never had one) and produces a very stable ROM.
His instructions are clear and easily understood and he knows what he is doing! My favourite ROM maker ... Thanks Alexndr!!
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Thanks for you reply.
Seems like a nice ROM, would want to flash it, but seems like I'm not going to be able to flash new ROMs (due to the problem described above.
I had the same problem. you must have the newest version of odin.
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I had the same problem. you must have the newest version of odin.
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Seriously? Is it that simple lol? I'll try that, thanks.
EDIT: Turned out it wasn't that simple, got the message 'There's no PIT partition.'
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Note 4 sucks after this MM update it is worst than any other small budget phone.
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I've been running Marshmallow on my N910C since it was released for my device, and I haven't experienced any major problems with it. Other than not getting the official OEM spare battery to charge correctly on it. Everything is work just fine.
I've been running the MM PaulPizz Rom for a few days and it's been rock solid so far. Not a single crash or error.
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Another weird thing happened. Just installed TWRP (once again via Odin), but when I reboot into recovery, I first get the message 'installing system update', then it says 'no command' and then it reboots in Android Recovery. Any ideas how to solve this?
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Try this. When in Odin, uncheck auto reboot, flash twrp, wait for it to finish, unplug phone, pull battery, then boot into recovery by holding vol up+home+power.
Recovery should stick
Also, double check you have right twrp. Even re download, maybe you got bad download
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Try this. When in Odin, uncheck auto reboot, flash twrp, wait for it to finish, unplug phone, pull battery, then boot into recovery by holding vol up+home+power.
Recovery should stick
Also, double check you have right twrp. Even re download, maybe you got bad download
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Thanks for your reply.
Alright man, I will try that tomorrow.
I think the download should be okay, downloaded V3.12.3 a few hours ago, or do I need a different one?
And should I also do this if I get the message that there's no PIT partition?
Thanks for your help, I'll let you know if it works or not.
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Thanks for your reply.
Alright man, I will try that tomorrow.
I think the download should be okay, downloaded V3.12.3 a few hours ago, or do I need a different one?
And should I also do this if I get the message that there's no PIT partition?
Thanks for your help, I'll let you know if it works or not.
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I always use 3.11.1 straight from Sam mobile site. Here http://dl.sammobile.com/Odin3-v3.11.1.zip
Never had a problem with it.
Stock ROM's all the way.
I've used KK, LL and MM. After upgrading to MM (by mistake) and using it for 2 weeks, had to throw it away! MM is the worst case ever! I've went even back to KK, used about 2 days and went finally for 5.1.1 - best case ever! No lag, no "app stop working", no delay (which with MM was about 3 secs between opening closing apps). But, the 5.1.1 has a little distress about battery drain (about 5% more than KK or MM). Is the only thing is keeping LL for being best version. If you rollback from MM to LL or KK, you MUST untick Auto Reboot! Just let the flash go till the end and then take the battery out; put it back, start with recovery and wipe everything prior booting normally. And for the downgrade you have to use:
1. from MM to LL - Odin 3.11
2. from MM to KK - Odin 3.09
After trying myriad of roms(Almost all roms from Snapdragon section) + kernels, I prefer Stock rom for it's batterylife + stable performance. I haven't rooted after returning to stock. But i will return some sort of custom rom soon as my phone looks so boring without ported apps, multi dpi compatible apps, etc. If u prefer stable performance move to pure stock, If u need assortment of features use one of the ported note7/S7 roms, If u want slick and fast roms use AOSP/CM based roms but as far my experience goes they are not much stable while compared to touchwiz.
Currently running latest MM stock on 910G.
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Stock ROM's all the way.
I've used KK, LL and MM. After upgrading to MM (by mistake) and using it for 2 weeks, had to throw it away! MM is the worst case ever! I've went even back to KK, used about 2 days and went finally for 5.1.1 - best case ever! No lag, no "app stop working", no delay (which with MM was about 3 secs between opening closing apps). But, the 5.1.1 has a little distress about battery drain (about 5% more than KK or MM). Is the only thing is keeping LL for being best version. If you rollback from MM to LL or KK, you MUST untick Auto Reboot! Just let the flash go till the end and then take the battery out; put it back, start with recovery and wipe everything prior booting normally. And for the downgrade you have to use:
1. from MM to LL - Odin 3.11
2. from MM to KK - Odin 3.09
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Using Odin 3.11 to downgrade from MM to KK works just fine. I just did 2 days ago.
I had errors with 3.11; once changed to 3.09 worked like a charm. I've posted from my experience. Anyway, good to know other opinions and good to know that works either way (maybe my system had some conflict with vs. 3.11). However, that downgrade was done only to my first device, not the second one. I still keep MM on my second N4.
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I had errors with 3.11; once changed to 3.09 worked like a charm. I've posted from my experience. Anyway, good to know other opinions and good to know that works either way (maybe my system had some conflict with vs. 3.11). However, that downgrade was done only to my first device, not the second one. I still keep MM on my second N4.
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Have you tried 3.12? It's the only one that worked for me.
back to lollipop .......... one of the best Note 4 ROM ever build ...........
Been using Nameless ROM V7 ............
aaron74 said:
Try this. When in Odin, uncheck auto reboot, flash twrp, wait for it to finish, unplug phone, pull battery, then boot into recovery by holding vol up+home+power.
Recovery should stick
Also, double check you have right twrp. Even re download, maybe you got bad download
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This did the trick, thanks a lot! I finally got to flash TWRP and ended up installing Alexndr ROM (thanks for the tip @robmeik) but sadly I'm still having random reboots