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Did Nexus 4 really just sold out faster than iPhone 5?

I mean, I am not iFan or anything, but all around the world where Nexus 4 was available for purchase was sold out in a blink of an eye.
Is this successful for Google or bad? What do you guys think.
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No they just have less units available at launch
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Can't say but I doubt it. I'm pretty sure that Google just had WAAAYYYYYY less stock than the iPhone 5! Just a marketing stunt imo

3 of my friends and 2 cousins who have been up since last night sitting infront of their computer, couldn't get theirs. I'm sure there are many more like that out there right now. After Nexus 7, imo Google should have been prepared, maybe should have gone with a solo US launch first and cover the rest of the world after 2 weeks or so. Works for Samsung every single time.

EvoYas said:
3 of my friends and 2 cousins who have been up since last night sitting infront of their computer, couldn't get theirs. I'm sure there are many more like that out there right now. After Nexus 7, imo Google should have been prepared, maybe should have gone with a solo US launch first and cover the rest of the world after 2 weeks or so. Works for Samsung every single time.
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Being in France I think I'd have to say why don't they cover the "rest of the world" first and leave America to last?.... :silly:

hopefully this was just to test the waters to make sure there is a demand before they make more since they are selling these at a loss. hopefully they restore stock before the holidays.

lol, nothing against any other country, just be easier on everyone to not have a bad experience this way. But I must say, this is by far the most popular Nexus Cellphone, LG and Google got this one for sure. I'm happy thou, because it will only get better from here.

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Can't say but I doubt it. I'm pretty sure that Google just had WAAAYYYYYY less stock than the iPhone 5! Just a marketing stunt imo
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Yep, smells somewhat like a PR-stunt to me. No offense to Google, but such a big company (that makes its money througn market analytics and advertising), not prepared for this huge demand after the success of the N7 and the low-pricing-policy? Hard to think of...
This is all speculation, but they could be after the exact headline of this thread coming to major newspapers tomorrow, certainly not a bad thing in terms of PR.
I personally think, that they made a low amount of devices available at the launch hoping for a sell-out like it has only happened with Apple products. Main stash of devices will be available soon, there has to be some over-stock before the holidays, they won't loose all the possible sales at this time of the year where customers tend to spend the most money on electronic devices.
But as I said, all speculations, no offense. I could be wrong

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Yep, smells somewhat like a PR-stunt to me. No offense to Google, but such a big company (that makes its money througn market analytics and advertising), not prepared for this huge demand after the success of the N7 and the low-pricing-policy? Hard to think of...
This is all speculation, but they could be after the exact headline of this thread coming to major newspapers tomorrow, certainly not a bad thing in terms of PR.
I personally think, that they made a low amount of devices available at the launch hoping for a sell-out like it has only happened with Apple products. Main stash of devices will be available soon, there has to be some over-stock before the holidays, they won't loose all the possible sales at this time of the year where customers tend to spend the most money on electronic devices.
But as I said, all speculations, no offense. I could be wrong
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Speculation but the only reasonable logic. Given how slow and how many errors there were, Google is not ready to sell iPhone numbers. I do not believe that much stock was emptied. In either case, hopefully they provide some numbers for us. If they don't, well then I think we can just assume the PR stunt.
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Lets wait and watch, I would love to read about this launch and see what everyone is thinking about this. Can't call this a satisfying launch at all but a successful launch from Google's point of view I would say.
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Yeah it seems to be a ****ty marketing stunt, might of had a negative impact actually because they've pissed a lot of people off
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Sp does nokia claim for their latest lumia lol but they only put on sale some thousands and not some millions so depends on the stock quantity

flx-grafix said:
Yep, smells somewhat like a PR-stunt to me. No offense to Google, but such a big company (that makes its money througn market analytics and advertising), not prepared for this huge demand after the success of the N7 and the low-pricing-policy? Hard to think of...
This is all speculation, but they could be after the exact headline of this thread coming to major newspapers tomorrow, certainly not a bad thing in terms of PR.
I personally think, that they made a low amount of devices available at the launch hoping for a sell-out like it has only happened with Apple products. Main stash of devices will be available soon, there has to be some over-stock before the holidays, they won't loose all the possible sales at this time of the year where customers tend to spend the most money on electronic devices.
But as I said, all speculations, no offense. I could be wrong
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i guess they did it on reason, everytime apple releases iphone they make huge buzz around the world sold out sold out huge line outside of the store.. AS GOOGLE CANT HAVE HUGE LINE OUTSIDA STORE THEY TRICKED US WITH LESS STOCK AND MAKING SOLD OUT BUZZ. SHUT UP GOOGLE U MORON U LEFT LOADS OF UNHAPPY LOYAL SLEEPLESS CUSTOMERS WHO WERE EAGERLY WAITING ON THE DEVICE.
i doubt they had 500 devices for uk market

stinky73 said:
Being in France I think I'd have to say why don't they cover the "rest of the world" first and leave America to last?.... :silly:
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lol, they effectively did, started in Australia and worked westward to the US.

I find it believable, since they are not pulling off the same sold out stunt with the Nexus 10. It is probably due to the price. All they have to get out there is superior to the GS3 and for $349 unlocked with no contract and whoever that needs a new phone would be crazy not to buy it.
That said, there are not enough geeks to sustain these numbers like the iphone 5 can sustain the numbers. However, 2 million or more geeks all ordering at 9am pst is definitely plausible. But once that 2 million gets theirs then we will see how much staying power the Nexus 4 generates.

This is without a doubt a marketing technique. Watch all the tech articles tomorrow "Google sells out Nexus 4 in .03 microseconds!"
And you'll get ignorant posters with comments like "OMGWTFBBQ Apple took 2 days to sell out! I love Google tehe LMAO OMFG"
even if Google only had 3 phones to sell, and Apple had 3 million

marketing stunt
Exactly, totally a marketing stunt. They want the headlines that the Nexus 4 sold out, that its a hot commodity. That will create more interest, higher demand, and magically in a few days a whole butt-load of units will show up in the play store. It'll be interesting to see if they actually release number of units sold today.

They sold out because they only had like 10 devices available in each region, except the US, where they had like 15 units available...
Yes, I'm bitter.

I'm actually more curious the volume of sales for the first day of release, and if Google will release those numbers.

I gt one for myself!! But ya google sucked!! I feel sorry for you all!! They must have stocked arnd one lakh/0.1 million units in each country!! Thats really bad!! Apple had really done a good job

The frustration of release dates

Why do we have to endure weeks of waiting for the release of a new Samsung device when it has been announced? All those people at the unpacked event waving the Note 4 and Edge around on stage or within the experience stands make me jealous but also make me angry.
I never see why the phones/devices cannot be on the shelves within a week of an announcement for contract free purchases. I understand there might be negotiations with carriers but why stop those with the cash in their hands?
I also would love to know who decides on which country gets a certain device and when.
Samsung is particularly bad at this. They drag their heels with pricing, release dates and availability. Surely this can be all in place prior to their events.

It's not wrong, you're right!
Apple does very well

I know. How long does it take to mole the circuit board, etc?
Its potential for cash cow. People say Oct 5th for T-mobile. Thats 4 weeks too long.

This is one thing Apple actually does very well. Release date generally follows announcement by less than 2 weeks. Pre-orders start just a few days after the announcement.

It is very annoying. I wish they'd just wait to announce until they're closer to release. Who cares if it leaks during production? Samsung isn't as bad as LG tho, they are terrible.
This article is another reason why the wait is irritating. http://www.gsmarena.com/nvidia_files_a_patent_lawsuit_against_samsung_and_qualcomm-news-9564.php

Samsung is terrible at this. Apple has almost always released within earshot knowing the hypetrain is still there. By the time Note 4 arrives iPhone6 will be on shelves. Noone outside the geekworld is hyped about a Note 4. Even casuals know a new and bigger iPhone are coming. After the S5 dissaponting sales you'd think Samsung would pull out all stops.

Shame, they could be taking advantage of the earlier announcement over apple but they're going to just let apple rake in the earlier pre orders.

for one, it's pretty obvious they need time to produce hundreds of thousands of them first., on top of that, each carrier needs time to receive the units and to do their own testing and get samsung to load things on to them, firmware,modems,etc..
surely if they were available right after announced that would mean the device was already in productions many weeks prior and shipped/stocked at all retailers before hand.. this wouldn't make sense..
this is just standard on all electronic and if you ever bought any other piece of electronic in the past, you would have known this is normal practice to announce and then begin shipping out to retailers.
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Shame, they could be taking advantage of the earlier announcement over apple but they're going to just let apple rake in the earlier pre orders.
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preorders are already open on the sprint website and have been for a couple days http://www.sprint.com/landings/samsung_note4/index.html?ECID=vanity:galaxynote4
blame the carrier if yours isn't available for preorder yet.

tft said:
for one, it's pretty obvious they need time to produce hundreds of thousands of them first., on top of that, each carrier needs time to receive the units and to do their own testing and get samsung to load things on to them, firmware,modems,etc..
surely if they were available right after announced that would mean the device was already in productions many weeks prior and shipped/stocked at all retailers before hand.. this wouldn't make sense..
this is just standard on all electronic and if you ever bought any other piece of electronic in the past, you would have known this is normal practice to announce and then begin shipping out to retailers.
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Well I already stated that I understood why there was a delay for carrier testing but I am talking about those who wish to buy outright. And if Apple and HTC can get their stock out shortly after announcements then why can't Samsung? Saying this is normal practice does not make it acceptable.
The devices shown at the launch were not prototypes, the production process has already begun and could have been stepped up prior to the launch.
Also, it still does not answer the question on pricing, release dates and country availability (for carrier free devices) these things need to be finalised before launch or very shortly after. In my opinion it's all just a tactic to build up some sort of hype

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blame the carrier if yours isn't available for preorder yet.
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Preorder is not the same thing. I only see registration for email alert. Same as T-mobile.

I find it strange that Cellphone carriers do not even concentrate in advertizing for the release of the Note 4.

This is why its nice not having carriers mess and install a bunch of bloat. I don't think carriers mess around with iPhones and install their software on it, so less time wasted on things you don't need or care about. Just get the product out and sell it.
Anyways, just poor planning really, a month is a long time in the tech world and consumer electronic hype wears off fairly fast when something else new and shiny comes out in between then.

apprentice said:
Saying this is normal practice does not make it acceptable.
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People love hyperbole I guess. If it is 'unacceptable' to you then buy an iPhone or HTC product.
Samsung can release its phone any dang time they feel like it - that's their business. If you don't like it, you can not buy it - that's your business.

JasonJoel said:
People love hyperbole I guess. If it is 'unacceptable' to you then buy an iPhone or HTC product.
Samsung can release its phone any dang time they feel like it - that's their business. If you don't like it, you can not buy it - that's your business.
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Well duh.. Thanks for explaining that, I feel so enlightened now.
My point of this post is for debate as to why it happens. We the consumers are entitled to complain. I am looking for logical answers not "If you don't like it buy something else" it's not bringing much to the table.

Thats why i am getting the Iphone 6 over the Note 4, it'll be available sooner and i need a high end phone bad. Good thing is ill be able to sell the iphone 6 at a great price and pick up the note 4 when its out.

apprentice said:
Well duh.. Thanks for explaining that, I feel so enlightened now.
My point of this post is for debate as to why it happens. We the consumers are entitled to complain. I am looking for logical answers not "If you don't like it buy something else" it's not bringing much to the table.
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There is no answer other than that is how samsung chooses to do it.
Could they hold the announcement closer to the physical release? Yes, of course they could. They just prefer to do it this way, for whatever marketing reason.
If the marketing people thought it was strategic to announce closer to physical release, they would. But clearly they don't.

If Samsung "should" copy something apple does, its their method of announcing and SHIPPING a product very quickly post launch. That is their only major issue. Why allow other OEM's to get product out the door and lose sales and yes they do lose sales and now that apple is going big and bigger on their phones next week with a launch before the Note 4 hits stores that is a big deal and some would be Note 4 buyers will get a 5.5" iphone instead, (dumb move, but it's their choice).
I fully agree with the OP and carriers are very likely the issue. Negotiations would likely have been done already, in the US anyways its likely more about last minute bloatware and who has a "bigger" tower than anything else.

I blame Verizon, for everything lol.

Apple has more control over the carriers.
Apple has more control over the carriers and the supply chain, that is why their rollouts are quicker.

iPhone 6 on the 19th
I thought this thread would be exploding with comments about how Apple can do it in less than 2 weeks.
Anything over 30 days is crazy. The battery life on my Note 2 fading away, I've been eligible for an upgrade for months.
Now that I know the specifics of the Note 4 it has given my a chance to look at other phones S5, G3, M8 or wait for Nexus X.
The longer I wait the less likely that I'll make an 'impulse buy' I'm still excited about the Note 4 but I'm weighting the cost vs features.
What's up with the pre order pages on Samsung.com and Sprint.com? Did I actually pretty order or was it just an email notification? I didn't even receive an email confirmation.

Does anyone know the current Note 5 sales figures / volume / number?

Does anyone know the current Note 5 sales figures / volume / number?
The closest thing I could find is a comparison of its sales compared to the Note 6+ Edge but no concrete numbers.
I wonder if Samsung is keeping silent on the numbers because sales are disappointing?
If sales were record-breaking, I'm sure they would market it and love to throw it in Apple's face.

I'd like to know, too. the new iPhone sales and availability has been crazy than what I remember with the Note5 after release.
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I have heard the Note 5 sales were hurt because they did not offer it in Europe (yet).
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KruseLudsMobile said:
I have heard the Note 5 sales were hurt because they did not offer it in Europe (yet).
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I can see that happening

KruseLudsMobile said:
I have heard the Note 5 sales were hurt because they did not offer it in Europe (yet).
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Why was it not offered in Europe?

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Why was it not offered in Europe?
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We may never know the real reasons. Officially, it was said Europeans are not that fond of a stylus and they would prefer the Edge+. I do remember, after a rather modest commercial start, the first Note got its success in great part from the European market.
When Apple finally announces a stylus for their iPad after explaining it was useless and after adopting the Note format they said was not a niche, I simply don't understand the strategy of Samsung.
However, rumors meet for an European version very soon.

Raspail said:
We may never know the real reasons. Officially, it was said Europeans are not that fond of a stylus and they would prefer the Edge+. I do remember, after a rather modest commercial start, the first Note got its success in great part from the European market.
When Apple finally announces a stylus for their iPad after explaining it was useless and after adopting the Note format they said was not a niche, I simply don't understand the strategy of Samsung.
However, rumors meet for an European version very soon.
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Samsung needs some confidence and direction. Stop trying to copy Apple. Apple sucks.

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Samsung needs some confidence and direction. Stop trying to copy Apple. Apple sucks.
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Ha ha ha. I totally agree about the whole apple thing. Samsung should have called their new note the inote 5. Lol

Neo3D said:
Why was it not offered in Europe?
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I just saw an announcement it will be for sale in europe in Jan '16

let's wait till December to get a good figure...
http://www.cnet.com/news/samsungs-smartphone-shipments-to-see-first-ever-annual-decline/
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Raspail said:
We may never know the real reasons. Officially, it was said Europeans are not that fond of a stylus and they would prefer the Edge+. I do remember, after a rather modest commercial start, the first Note got its success in great part from the European market.
When Apple finally announces a stylus for their iPad after explaining it was useless and after adopting the Note format they said was not a niche, I simply don't understand the strategy of Samsung.
However, rumors meet for an European version very soon.
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As a European resident i'd find it more likely we don't want to be fooled be Samsung in giving us an inferior Note.
Just look at the previous iterations. Especially the 1, 2 and 3. They were by FAR the best/fastest/most loaded smartphones out at the time.
The current Note 5 is just an S6 edge plus with a pen (and acompaniing apps).
And im (as a note fan) completly disgusted by this...

Obviously if you don't like the note 5, then don't buy it. No need to be 'disgusted'.
It is just a phone...
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HanZie82 said:
As a European resident i'd find it more likely we don't want to be fooled be Samsung in giving us an inferior Note.
Just look at the previous iterations. Especially the 1, 2 and 3. They were by FAR the best/fastest/most loaded smartphones out at the time.
The current Note 5 is just an S6 edge plus with a pen (and acompaniing apps).
And im (as a note fan) completly disgusted by this...
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As some one who actually owns the phone, it's night and day faster than my Note 4.
The fact the edge plus and note 5 are very similar disgusts you? I need your life if that's all it takes to disgust you.
Some of you guys need to think more like consumers and less like scorned fanboys expecting special treatment because once you defended the honor of TouchWiz in a comment thread of and apple product.
Also how is Samsung trying to be like apple?
There was mention that sales were hurting because they opted to not offer the note 5 in Europe. What is being ignored is while they are missing out on sales in Europe, they are also not paying to manufacture, advertise, and ship to Europe. So looking at units sold compared to last year and not actually looking at the bottom line is kind of short sighted and looks to be bias confirmation for some people.
Not saying sales will be better but for the sake of discussion look at the whole picture.
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pcriz said:
As some one who actually owns the phone, it's night and day faster than my Note 4.
The fact the edge plus and note 5 are very similar disgusts you? I need your life if that's all it takes to disgust you.
Some of you guys need to think more like consumers and less like scorned fanboys expecting special treatment because once you defended the honor of TouchWiz in a comment thread of and apple product.
Also how is Samsung trying to be like apple?
There was mention that sales were hurting because they opted to not offer the note 5 in Europe. What is being ignored is while they are missing out on sales in Europe, they are also not paying to manufacture, advertise, and ship to Europe. So looking at units sold compared to last year and not actually looking at the bottom line is kind of short sighted and looks to be bias confirmation for some people.
Not saying sales will be better but for the sake of discussion look at the whole picture.
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Wow, you make assumptions like you're a pro. Too bad they're wrong.
It's disgusting that their flagship line of products are now the same as the mass-consumer product.
But i understand if you don't get it tho. Understanding what people mean can be hard sometimes.

HanZie82 said:
Wow, you make assumptions like you're a pro. Too bad they're wrong.
It's disgusting that their flagship line of products are now the same as the mass-consumer product.
But i understand if you don't get it tho. Understanding what people mean can be hard sometimes.
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Lol so you are telling me that the Galaxy S6 isn't a flagship but a "mass-consumer product"? And it disgusts you that they used the same internals in the Note. LOL here we go..
First, before the Note Series existed, the S series was and is the defacto "flagship for Samsung". Keep in mind the Note started as a very niche product never intended to reach the number of sales that their flagship S Series did.
Do yourself a favor and search "Samsung flag ship" in google.. better yet let me do it for you:
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Samsung+Flag+Ship
Please tell me what device occupies the majority of those results. I know this is simple but Im sure its more logic than you put into your response as an over privileged consumer elitist that can't be bothered with less than "flagship" quality..
Now that we have defined loosely what a "flagship" device is lets look at your reason for disgust. You're mad because a publicly traded company decided to save some money by not designing a whole new chipset and used one that exists and works. Not to mention that same disgustingly mediocre chip set is night and day faster than the last Note and killing it with a smaller battery.. Everything is faster, every, thing.. Some people will never be happy and swear the internet was created to gripe about the smallest things..
Also yes it is very hard to understand someone that attempts to articulate their confirmatory bias with ambiguous hype terms like "flagship" and "mass-consumer product". The hilarious thing is you think those two terms are not homogeneous in this use case.. :good:

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There was mention that sales were hurting because they opted to not offer the note 5 in Europe. What is being ignored is while they are missing out on sales in Europe, they are also not paying to manufacture, advertise, and ship to Europe. S
Not saying sales will be better but for the sake of discussion look at the whole picture.
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That's a good point indeed. May be they should save even more bucks by not paying to manufacture, advertise, and ship to the whole world.

I love music and books with a long commute to and from work when I want media on my phone.
I could live with a fixed battery but microSD is a must. I know other real users in a similar situation and it is with sadness that the Samsung phones can no longer meet my needs.
At the launch event a statement was made that Samsung listened to their users....... I have to question that statement.
I hope the next phones reintroduce SD support if I can wait that long........

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I love music and books with a long commute to and from work when I want media on my phone.
I could live with a fixed battery but microSD is a must. I know other real users in a similar situation and it is with sadness that the Samsung phones can no longer meet my needs.
At the launch event a statement was made that Samsung listened to their users....... I have to question that statement.
I hope the next phones reintroduce SD support if I can wait that long........
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Just flew 6 hours from California to Maryland. Didn't have an issue storing enough music/podcasts on my device. Barely listened to half of it. A commute longer than that?
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pcriz said:
Just flew 6 hours from California to Maryland. Didn't have an issue storing enough music/podcasts on my device. Barely listened to half of it. A commute longer than that?
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The point is that people take Pictures and Videos. Over time, that takes up more and more storage, especially with quality and megapixels going up.
I have 60gb just in pictures and videos from the past 4+years. Just because people get new phones every 2 years doesn't mean they delete their old photo albums and start fresh. All those old memories pile up..
32gb on a phone isn't going to cut it. And I don't want to delete my old memories or upload them to the cloud and have to pay a monthly fee just to access them when I can buy a 128gb micro SD card for $45. Plus, I don't have to worry about having a solid LTE Signal. Plus, I can access a memory card in places where I get no service at all, like on a cruise ship or in a foreign country.
I need a swappable battery. I'm at Disney World and almost every here is walking around with their phones shackled to an external battery charger. It's so much easier to just carry a thin spare. It takes <30 seconds to swap and go from 0% to 100%.

Ok. You need those things, so you will need to buy a different phone...
Not everyone has the same needs, and samsung isn't designing the phone to meet everyone's needs - they are designing it to meet what they think the majority needs are and will sell.
It ok get a different phone. That's why they make different phones...
Is like being mad that you can only fit 5 people in a sedan, because got need to fit 7...
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Was at the T-MOBILE store when...

I was at the T-MOBILE store today in NY inquiring about the S7 edge when a gentle walked in and asked if they were still selling the note 7. To my surprise the employee said yes. She did tell him to not let it charge past 60% and if it feels like it's over heating that he can bring it in and exchange if for another phone.
I wanted to get the note 7 but amid this disaster regarding the second recall I thought it was irresponsible for T-Mobile to sell any more of them. Have we been so brainwashed by the media that the battery exploding is only happening to a small percentage of the note 7 out in the wild. When he asked and she said yes, I'll admit I was tempted to see if I could be one of the lucky ones to get a non defective note 7 bit then i came back to reality and said the headache is not worth the reward.
What gives T-MOBILE and why don't you have the damn pixel in your store? You know sometimes I wonder! It would've been a perfect landing spot regardless of what happened to the note 7!

saco274 said:
I was at the T-MOBILE store today in NY inquiring about the S7 edge when a gentle walked in and asked if they were still selling the note 7. To my surprise the employee said yes. She did tell him to not let it charge past 60% and if it feels like it's over heating that he can bring it in and exchange if for another phone.
I wanted to get the note 7 but amid this disaster regarding the second recall I thought it was irresponsible for T-Mobile to sell any more of them. Have we been so brainwashed by the media that the battery exploding is only happening to a small percentage of the note 7 out in the wild. When he asked and she said yes, I'll admit I was tempted to see if I could be one of the lucky ones to get a non defective note 7 bit then i came back to reality and said the headache is not worth the reward.
What gives T-MOBILE and why don't you have the damn pixel in your store? You know sometimes I wonder! It would've been a perfect landing spot regardless of what happened to the note 7!
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That T-Mobile employee was probably just an overworked, underpaid, and uninformed sales clerk. He/she could care less if you got a Note 7 or not.
The Pixel is a Verizon "exclusive". That's how the carrier system works in the US and it sucks. The rest of the world has electronic stores like Best Buy or OEM stores like Apple/Samsung/Microsoft where you can get your phones without dealing with carriers. You just buy a SIM of whichever carrier you want and pop a sim in, or you go into a carrier store to get your line, and they have no way to dictate to you what phones you can use.

Your probably right about there clerk but I hope the person who wanted is aware of what's happening, how could he not be. Also, I know I can take a Google purchased pixel and use it at T-MOBILE but it just seemed like the logical carrier that it should be on given how rapidly TMo has grow in the last few years. So would tmo sell the now 7 if someone wanted it? Would there be support for it?
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This ^&%$$%^ sucks man. Really sucks. I love my Note 7 but at this point I now feel I no longer have a choice now but to return it. Just heard the news about the DOT that there is a full ban now. You can be jailed and even fined now for trying to travel with it

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That T-Mobile employee was probably just an overworked, underpaid, and uninformed sales clerk. He/she could care less if you got a Note 7 or not.
The Pixel is a Verizon "exclusive". That's how the carrier system works in the US and it sucks. The rest of the world has electronic stores like Best Buy or OEM stores like Apple/Samsung/Microsoft where you can get your phones without dealing with carriers. You just buy a SIM of whichever carrier you want and pop a sim in, or you go into a carrier store to get your line, and they have no way to dictate to you what phones you can use.
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The pixel appears to be a tesla exclusive in Australia. Also you can buy unlocked phones at Best buy stateside. Or Amazon, or eBay, or expansys usa, the list goes on.
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Your probably right about there clerk but I hope the person who wanted is aware of what's happening, how could he not be. Also, I know I can take a Google purchased pixel and use it at T-MOBILE but it just seemed like the logical carrier that it should be on given how rapidly TMo has grow in the last few years. So would tmo sell the now 7 if someone wanted it? Would there be support for it?
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The note 7 isn't for sale, did you see the purchase from beginning to end?
That sales person seems like an idiot because the Note 7 has been a huge goat rope for every carrier, if they don't know by now they shouldn't be selling it they might need a new line of work.

I did not see the sale I was just listening. I don't know if it happened to be honest with you.
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saco274 said:
Your probably right about there clerk but I hope the person who wanted is aware of what's happening, how could he not be. Also, I know I can take a Google purchased pixel and use it at T-MOBILE but it just seemed like the logical carrier that it should be on given how rapidly TMo has grow in the last few years. So would tmo sell the now 7 if someone wanted it? Would there be support for it?
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I've only been on T-Mobile for a couple of months but I don't see any history of them carrying the Nexus phones.

douger1957 said:
I've only been on T-Mobile for a couple of months but I don't see any history of them carrying the Nexus phones.
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They carried the nexus 4. Also charged 150 more than the Google play store but you could pay on installments

pcriz said:
They carried the nexus 4. Also charged 150 more than the Google play store but you could pay on installments
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I read somewhere recently where the exclusive Verizon has to the Pixel may be short lived. I don't know that's because Google sees an opening with the Note 7 debacle to get their phone a broader customer base or whether that was part of the original agreement.
I'm keeping my Note 7 until at least the V20 comes out. It's the closest thing feature wise to the Note 7. I'd go Pixel in a New York minute if it had SD card capability.

Yeah I think I'm going with the V20. I just don't see the justification on spending $900 on the pixel right now. I'm going to wait for the 2nd pixel. Maybe TMo will cough up the loot to get it in there stores.
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douger1957 said:
I read somewhere recently where the exclusive Verizon has to the Pixel may be short lived. I don't know that's because Google sees an opening with the Note 7 debacle to get their phone a broader customer base or whether that was part of the original agreement.
I'm keeping my Note 7 until at least the V20 comes out. It's the closest thing feature wise to the Note 7. I'd go Pixel in a New York minute if it had SD card capability.
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Yeah im still pondering on the Pixel but the new name doesn't fool me. Never been super happy with Nexus batteries or cameras and every nexus phone had the best camera ever if you asked Google. Much like they are saying with the Pixel now.
Problem is unless you preorder you have to buy the 120 vr. I also need Wi-Fi calling at home :-/
I'd give up my card for a 128gb phone. I'm interested in the battery on the LG though.

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Yeah im still pondering on the Pixel but the new name doesn't fool me. Never been super happy with Nexus batteries or cameras and every nexus phone had the best camera ever if you asked Google. Much like they are saying with the Pixel now.
Problem is unless you preorder you have to buy the 120 vr. I also need Wi-Fi calling at home :-/
I'd give up my card for a 128gb phone. I'm interested in the battery on the LG though.
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I've got over 128 GB of music on that free 256 GB card that I got with the Note 7. With the V20 and it's supposed audio quality, I could load more .flac music up.
Then again, I could keep the S7 Edge they sent me as a loaner for the first recall. It shows as paid up on the T-Mobile website. It would work with the VR I claimed as part of that deal. Then again, I don't have the morals of an alley cat.

douger1957 said:
I read somewhere recently where the exclusive Verizon has to the Pixel may be short lived. I don't know that's because Google sees an opening with the Note 7 debacle to get their phone a broader customer base or whether that was part of the original agreement.
I'm keeping my Note 7 until at least the V20 comes out. It's the closest thing feature wise to the Note 7. I'd go Pixel in a New York minute if it had SD card capability.
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Might as well get an iPhone, they're doing the same thing: Charging too much (price) for too little (features). No way I'm buying that crap!

RaymondPJR said:
Might as well get an iPhone, they're doing the same thing: Charging too much (price) for too little (features). No way I'm buying that crap!
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Yeah man, I'm looking at what is offered and for that price I got so much more on the N7 and it's depressing. Also why the hell would you only offer 32 and 128gb.
The price makes it very hard to justify.

why do Samsung devices devalue so fast?

It's one of the things that bugs me. I bought s8 plus when it came out and now you can buy it for $675, which means second hand value has plummeted. Contrast this with my iPhone 7+ which i recently sold for about $100 less than i bought it for when that came out. I think k Samsung does it on purpose as a way to make their older devices compete with newer LG, iPhone etc but it should be a consideration when purchasing.

Simple answer... because it is not an Apple. Any device that is not an Apple devalues quite fast. I noticed that Google phones hold their value quite well though. But they also only release one phone a year like apple does. Unlike other OEM's that release 2-3 phones a year. Just my opinion btw.

Because Samsung heavily discounts the devices very quickly. There are really only 3 phones should be able to hold value, Pixel, iPhone and Samsung's. If Samsung didn't make huge discounts so quick they would hold their value.
For instance look at the Pixel, Google didn't discount it and it has held well
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Not unique to Samsung. The LG V20 for example was £550 when released and now is £300 on ebay for a new device. This price drop will kill v20 prices. If you want to keep value of a commodity Android device, then buy a Vertu!
EDIT - how is this thread relevant to the Note8? Perhaps a troll thread.

Samsung devices devalue so quickly because Samsung pumps out so many phones in one year. And, they have 2 premium phones that release every year. This makes Samsung discount their newer phones after a few months, which causes the phones to devalue.

^this, supposedly they shipped 20 million S8's already... saturation!

Again, why this thread in a Note8 forum? If you can't justify cost of the Note8 then don't buy one.

jah said:
Again, why this thread in a Note8 forum? If you can't justify cost of the Note8 then don't buy one.
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This is a discussion forum. It's not a troll. Just a concern.

ekerbuddyeker said:
This is a discussion forum. It's not a troll. Just a concern.
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This is a Note8 sub forum not a general have a go at Sammy forum. This thread should be entitled "Concern About Note8 Resale Value".

I always used to jump into the latest and pre-orde... For my s8+ Spent close to 600 $ and tied to a 2 year horrible plan...two month later they were selling it for 99 for the same plan.. Was so pissed off...
So I am going to wait it out for a few months and then get note 8...
So let it get devalued fast

Techvir said:
I always used to jump into the latest and pre-orde... For my s8+ Spent close to 600 $ and tied to a 2 year horrible plan...two month later they were selling it for 99 for the same plan.. Was so pissed off...
So I am going to wait it out for a few months and then get note 8...
So let it get devalued fast
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Maybe the devices lose value so quickly because they never were worth that much to begin with. Not saying they are cheap but they are taking in the dough at your expense. I mean do you think the cost price that mobile companies pay is almost a g? Only devices that sell close to cost are iphones. But iPhones bring subscribers so companies accept the cost of business.
If people didn't rush out to buy them and held on to devices longer we wouldn't see these high prices at release but we keep jumping on the hype train so we don't to ourselves.
Then the flip around is oh man it's time to upgrade, well I'm not gonna pay that much for the note but this s8 plus is close enough and cheaper. So now you get this wave of people seeing the note hype but not wanting to pay as much so you go buy the last s series.

On top of everything you guys said, the other problem about keeping value up is updates. They do not keep updating like Apple so if you buy last year's model chances are you will not get this year's Android version. I hope Note 8 continues to get updates but I won't hold my breath. For this reason I stopped buying Samsung devices, but I really want a note back.

The value of such devices is also highly linked to the country one lives. The USA always seems to get great deals.
In this country the consumer is identified as an inconvenience to the stores and not seen as their source of income.
Prices here hold very VERY well on all goods.
I only make certain purchases here that I need a fast response to if a problem arises otherwise I buy from another country.
Samsung, for instance, have given zero 'offers' to those who suffered the situation with both past iterations of the Note 7 despite great inconvenience to the customer. They simply have this attitude of 'who gives a crap about the customer'.
If I didn't need the S-pen I would be certainly buying the new LG V30. As it is Samsung have the monopoly on smart phones with a pen.
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phones as well as other electronic devices are not investments.
Ryland Johnson said:
Samsung, for instance, have given zero 'offers' to those who suffered the situation with both past iterations of the Note 7 despite great inconvenience to the customer. They simply have this attitude of 'who gives a crap about the customer'.
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If Verizon hadn't already shipped my Note 8, Samsung would have lost a customer over their poor handling of the Note 7 fiasco. After comparing the Note 8 to the V30 I had decided to cancel my pre-order but I was too late, it had already shipped. The V30 is a huge improvement over the V20 and costs so much less than the Note 8. I was also irritated at the lack of incentives for Note 7 customers other than trading in another device. I can't say without the V30 in hand but it seems to be almost identical build quality and specs for a much lower price. Better watch your back Samsung.

Izvid said:
On top of everything you guys said, the other problem about keeping value up is updates. They do not keep updating like Apple so if you buy last year's model chances are you will not get this year's Android version. I hope Note 8 continues to get updates but I won't hold my breath. For this reason I stopped buying Samsung devices, but I really want a note back.
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No chance of updates after 18 months after initial release. Google only require their vendors to support the Android OS updates for a short period. I agree, in that respect, Apple is better until they issue an update that takes-up too much of your memory!
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jellyhead said:
phones as well as other electronic devices are not investments.
If Verizon hadn't already shipped my Note 8, Samsung would have lost a customer over their poor handling of the Note 7 fiasco. After comparing the Note 8 to the V30 I had decided to cancel my pre-order but I was too late, it had already shipped. The V30 is a huge improvement over the V20 and costs so much less than the Note 8. I was also irritated at the lack of incentives for Note 7 customers other than trading in another device. I can't say without the V30 in hand but it seems to be almost identical build quality and specs for a much lower price. Better watch your back Samsung.
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I agree the V30 looks great. But, the V20 was selling well below MRP after 6 months. I got my dua SIM 64GB version of the V20 for only £300!! Half the price of the V30. Poor value after 6 months is what happens to most Android phones now given that ZTE and OnePlus make great value devices now.

jellyhead said:
phones as well as other electronic devices are not investments.
If Verizon hadn't already shipped my Note 8, Samsung would have lost a customer over their poor handling of the Note 7 fiasco. After comparing the Note 8 to the V30 I had decided to cancel my pre-order but I was too late, it had already shipped. The V30 is a huge improvement over the V20 and costs so much less than the Note 8. I was also irritated at the lack of incentives for Note 7 customers other than trading in another device. I can't say without the V30 in hand but it seems to be almost identical build quality and specs for a much lower price. Better watch your back Samsung.
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I entirely agree with your first sentence.
You mention your Note 8 has "Shipped"!? I was under the impression we would not receive the Note 8 until at least the 15th of this month. In this country I will be very fortunate to see it until October!
You can always refuse delivery and get your money back.
To me the V30 is strong opposition and competition for the SGS8 not the Note 8, they are two different animals.
If we think about the comparisons being downloaded on Youtube so many compare the note 8 with the fruity iPhone 7? they is zero comparison as they are two two different devices. The iPhone 7 (if one MUST make a comparison) could be debated along side the SGS8 but even then the differences in cost, OS and so many other factors make such comparisons rather false.
So many are waiting to compare the iPhone 8 with the Note 8? Why? If one wants to pay 1200€ for a mobile running IOS then buy the fruity brand, its going to be a superb mobile but unless it comes with a pen and Android ........I am off topic, sorry.
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Ryland Johnson said:
You mention your Note 8 has "Shipped"!? I was under the impression we would not receive the Note 8 until at least the 15th of this month. In this country I will be very fortunate to see it until October!
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Supposed to arrive Tuesday, Sept 5

jellyhead said:
Supposed to arrive Tuesday, Sept 5
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Please don't answer if you feel it inappropriate. What country are you in? You lucky chap. :good:
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Ryland Johnson said:
Please don't answer if you feel it inappropriate. What country are you in? You lucky chap. :good:
Ryland
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US West coast

jellyhead said:
US West coast
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On the 5th. That's tomorrow! You lucky devil. :good::good::good:
If you want the LG V30 can't you simply refuse delivery of the Note 8 at the door and get a full refund?
With the exception of the fruity brand we have up to 20 days to accept or reject a purchase with or without reason. I assume you have similar protection in the USA? Don't ask how the fruity brand avoid this, once one opens that plastic wrap consider the iPhone yours! There is even a notice in the stores by the fruity brand stand stating this. Grrrr.
I hope things work out for you there is nothing worse than buyers remorse especially at these prices. Let us know what you do in the end.
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