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Hi all.
So I currently have a Galaxy Nexus on Verizon. My intent has been to cancel my VZW contract and buy an unlocked Nexus device, back when rumors were that we would see multiple Nexus devices from Sony, HTC, Samsung, and LG.
When the Xperia range was announced I was extremely impressed and was holding out hopes for an Xperia Nexus.
With everything announced about the Nexus 4, I am not entirely convinced it's the device I want. I have a Nexus 7 so I'll have the benefit of the newest Android version on release, but I wanted to know if the developer support of the T or TL would be active enough to get Cyanogen Mod or AOKP updates timely? I can live without a Nexus phone if I can expect a new CM or AOKP build within a month or two, but not if I have to rely entirely on Sony for updates.
What do you think? Should I pick up the T or TL? How is the dev support for each?
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TL will have a locked bootloader
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If you are not a Sony fan like me then definitely Nexus 4!
Id say dev community for the newest xperia phone isn't too strong look at the xperia ion or S ..
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I'll be switching phone to the Asus Padfone 2 or Galaxy Note 2.
But I am really interested in the LG Nexus 4 as it's really a cheaper than most of the high ends phone in the UK anyways (£399). Only downside is 16gb, if they released a 32gb, i'll defo get it!
Totally happy with the unbranded T though. Best phone I've owned
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Thank you all form the candid advice. I'm a bit disappointed - had my heart set on a Sony Nexus, love their hardware design, but it looks like I'll be picking up the Nexus 4. Looks rather uninspiring, but maybe it will win me over in person.
Thanks for the advice!
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Just for everyone expecting a Sony Nexus, they said at IFA that it'd be extremely (extremely) unlikely for them to release one. On the hardware side Sony's profit margin on the Xperia's is rather low and they're pushing their services and integration with other Sony products really hard (Music Unlimited, Video Unlimited, PlayMemories, PS Suite, Sony Select app store, ...).
Releasing a Sony Nexus at a sharp price would mean a pretty much complete lack of Sony's strong points: their ecosystem and their software.
For me especially Sony's software is a major selling point for their phones. Sure, it's not the latest Android version, but who the hell cares? The things Sony adds on top of a clean AOSP build are so much better than a few version jumps. You get the best music player available for Android by far (Walkman), an awesome camera UI, a skin that looks nice without getting boring (unlike AOSP Android), a totally epic Album application and I can go on. Everything Sony's done in their software builds is really nice and provides a lot of value over a clean Android in my opinion.
But it's your decision of course. If you prefer AOSP over Sony's Android then by all means go for a Nexus, you'll love it!
In reality you can not make your final decision till you see the actual Nexus phones in Google' upcoming event which was cancelled? If I recall correctly, we were suppose to have few nexus phones this year? Or, Google said that Vanilla android in more devices?
Anyways, only reason I choose all Nexus family on Sony or other devices is their update time and more development but I have never been impressed by their design and I hope that Sony picks on a Nexus phone with Vanilla android and Google supports it. You call it anything you like.
papped said:
Totally happy with the unbranded T though. Best phone I've owned
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Completely agree, and this is my first Sony. Primarily held HTC devices in the past.
Also, the Nexus 4 is basically the LG phone, which would scare the hell out of me right away. I had an LG G2x, and had is not a strong enough word to describe how quickly I dropped it. My daughter uses it now, and I feel sorry for her.
Hi all,
Believe me, I am wary of LG and have not had good hardware experience with them through any friends phones, and designs are uninspiring. I will reserve judgement until I see it in person, but I may just buy a GSM GNex and dump my VZW contract if I don't find it satisfactory.
I am turned off of anything on Verizon due to their lengthy update delays and horrible battery life from CDMA. I feel that their delays are deliberate and made in their own interest - which they are well within their rights to do, but I can also take my money elsewhere. The VZW logo on the GNote just reinforces it.
I love AOSP Android, and CyanogenMod/AOKP customization, and run it on my N7, GNex, and GS2 on ATT.
But -I love Sony's hardware design, specs, and build quality - and I could live without having AOSP from Google the moment it was released, as long as it has decent dev support and CM10/AOKP devs working on it with prompt release. This is really the only thing holding me back from jumping on the Sony wagon, I just feel they have a huge missed opportunity by not wanting to release a Nexus.
A locked bootloader is a no-go for me - especially as I intend to buy it SIM unlocked.
I wouldn't mind Sony pushing their Xperia stuff and ecosystem, as long as they had quick release of drivers/binaries to allow dev support. But if its not there, I can't buy it.
I suppose I have to hold out hope that the LG is not as bad as it looks or as I expect.
Fingers crossed!
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Get the Nexus 4. £280 for the 16GB. Really! That's the cheapest high-end phone i've seen to date!
I never thought I would even consider owning a LG product in my life. Google has changed it for me!!!! Damn, I will miss Sony phones until they catch up in keeping us with latest OS updates or comes with extraordinary design and build quality.
Note that the nexus 4 will not have LTE. It pretty much has everything else but LTE.
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DdcCabuslay said:
Note that the nexus 4 will not have LTE. It pretty much has everything else but LTE.
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MrPhilo said:
Get the Nexus 4. £280 for the 16GB. Really! That's the cheapest high-end phone i've seen to date!
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... it's an LG. Mention of questionable build quality out of Sony really baffles me at this point, I've had both LG and HTC, and the Sony blows them away, IMHO of course.
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... it's an LG. Mention of questionable build quality out of Sony really baffles me at this point, I've had both LG and HTC, and the Sony blows them away, IMHO of course.
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Not even the fact that it's LG, just the price they are asking versus the specs... The low price had to come from somewhere... It's not like they're selling it at a loss or anything.
On the dev support thing. CM10 support is now official. After the new milestone aokp will be asked to add it. Paranoid android is official. Any other ROMs that you are interested in?
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On the dev support thing. CM10 support is now official. After the new milestone aokp will be asked to add it. Paranoid android is official. Any other ROMs that you are interested in?
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Thats great news.
Official cyanogenmod "mint" page is here
I'm not touching xperia tl. Was dying from it's found a while but, low dev support and locked bootloaders is a deal breaker for me.
If I'm going to be stuck with outdated android versions it may as we have quad core potential.
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I have been interested in the Moto X ever since the release late last year and now its at such a great price... But I must ask everyone that has already made the jump, is this device what I am looking for?
At the moment I have a Galaxy S3 through At&t loaded up with CM 10.1.3 and to be honest I am happy with the phone... but am becoming more anxious for a upgrade each day, mostly due to the abysmal battery life and non-support for things I like *wallet*.
Anyways needless to say I am about ready to upgrade to something fresh and new. I am choosing to go unlocked because AT&T is offering a discount towards customers who do not take up a subsidized plan.
Naturally I checked out the Google Play edition phones and the Nexus line first, I was hoping the X would be among their ranks, after all google did own motorola up until a week ago. However all they had was the Moto G which was is the lower end sibling to the X.
So thats when I started really digging in and when I found out motorola actually sells unlocked phones through their site. The T-mobile one being the best choice because you can unlock the bootloader and it still supports at&t fully in the USA. The only other option would had been the GSM developer edition, but I would have to forgo any customization for very little benefit in the end.
But I am sitting here wondering to myself... is now a good time to get a new phone, is this the right choice, would this phone make me happy for at least a year and half?
My largest concern with this phone is its future, how much longer can/will motorola support updates for the X? Will we see the next version of android come to this device before its antiqued by motorola? If it is shelved, is the community broad enough to provide quality unofficial updates that will offer a wonderful experience?
I mean when I look at the development section just for the AT&T galaxy S3 there is numerous ROM's several of them being official groups like CM and AOKP. But then when I checked the CM site for the T-Mobile Moto-X there is nothing, it is literally blank, is it because they don't believe the Moto X yet needs CM to fill in the gaps, or is it because they have no interest in supporting it at all?
I would pick a Nexus 5, given it is guaranteed fast updates, but the Moto X just seems like a better fit for me. I love the idea of the anywhere handsfree google now, the style of the phone just looks better, and it is stock-enough for my needs.
I guess ultimately these are my biggest questions.
1. How future-proof do you guys think this is, at least update wise? Since CM does have a page for the Moto-X does that mean they will support it eventually? The phone is widely regarded and to my knowledge quite popular, I dont see why the carrier-locked boot loader would stop CM when it didn't for other handsets.
2. What is battery life like? Given alot of you have probably had the phone for a few months, hows the battery life now, is it degrading badly?
3. Overall would this be a good upgrade coming from a GS3?
4. Should I save up and get a Nexus 5 or another google play device?
5. Is it a good time to upgrade? Or should I wait a month or two?
6. How is the camera? Is it really much worse than the GS4, IP5S, and Nokia Lumina camera's?
7. Does it support google wallet? Does it lack support for any other apps on the play store?
Lastly, how is the support for accessories? I would like to get a Pebble eventually and I have a few bluetooth stereos. Does the Moto X support most of these without issue?
Hi all!
I have a Nexus 5, and I really like it, but it seems like it is almost time to upgrade.
A few questions for you owners and to-be owners:
Is it worth waiting for phones like the One M9, etc,. in your opinion?
Are the black levels really that noticably different on the Nexus 6 when compared to the Nexus 5?
Is it worth waiting for 64-bit and Snapdragon 810 processors?
Is it worth upgrading from the Nexus 5?
Considering Mobile World Congress is under 2 months away, I'm not sure if I should wait. The only other phone I'd likely buy is a One M9 (as the One M8 was the only non-Nexus phone last year with a sizable custom ROM / development community).
That said, HTC's One M9:
Never uses OLED/AMOLED displays
Probably won't use Quantum Dot (which is inferior to OLED)
Might or might not have a better development community than the Nexus 6
Is likely to have a better build quality than the 5
But probably won't have a large display or wireless charging
Might have a Snapdragon 810 octa-core / 64 bit
So - I'm not sure if it's worth waiting the ~1.5 months (1.5 months that I could be using the Nexus 6) to see what might or might not be better than the Nexus 6 based off of speculation for what the One M9 might be like.
Up to you mostly, but apparently, the One M9 will have a Snapdragon 810 (octa core)
Yeah.
I noticed that, but it likely won't have as nice of a screen as the Nexus 6 , which is already plenty fast :-/
But it will probably have nicer build quality and better speakers.
And who knows what it's development community will be like?
Decisions, decisions.
Wait. Either android or the nexus 6 is buggy. Performance isn't great. By the time the m9 is released either android will be fixed or the nexus 6 well be abandoned.
The m8 was a beautiful device. Sense is also very close to stock android and pretty damn snappy. I was on the same boat when my upgrade came in December. I honestly just didn't want to wait u until March for unveiling then maybe april/may for purchase. Newer, better phones will always be released so you would have been asking yourself the same question when the m9 came out (should I wait another 5-6 months for the new nexus).
The m9 will most likely be gorgeous, if they base it on the m8. I've just gotten used to larger displays. A sub 5.5 inch display just isn't cutting it for me. The biggest pro is the 810 chip and whatever power saving abilities it will have. Performance wise, it might clock higher but even the n5 can handle everything you throw at it (app wise).
Definitely buy a nexus 6...nothing better than to have an untouched Google edition android phone..totally ideal for rooting and modifying highly.. Unlike the htc one..it has sense ui..and lots of security.. It wud give u a hard time... They both also have great specs no lag
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It is a tough decision. If the nexus 6 had micro SD slot I'd drop the note4. But alas, it does not, but the note4 has many advantages over the nexus6. And of disadvantages. I wish Samsung would drop the physical buttons in favor of software navigation already. I hate touchwiz but it is tameable and the note4 is just about perfect minus the home and physical buttons. I longingly look at the nexus 6 and wait for the next manufacturer to mish mash the best of both the note4 an nexus 6. If the m9 or hima has a 5.5" screen like rumors say I would probably go for that. The m8 and sense were much more tolerable than touchwiz. I am gonna keep my m8 and it's status as my everything goto media player unless the hima blows it out of the water.
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Definitely buy a nexus 6...nothing better than to have an untouched Google edition android phone..totally ideal for rooting and modifying highly.. Unlike the htc one..it has sense ui..and lots of security.. It wud give u a hard time... They both also have great specs no lag
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Thanks for the replies so far.
The thing is, the One M8 does have an admirably large development community - the Android Development subforum has ~80,000 replies! Almost matching the growth of the Nexus 5 development community over time. Since I use custom ROMs anyways, having a pure Google experience shouldn't be a problem with such a huge community (that, again, will likely have many custom ROMs based off of pure Android). I believe the developer versions HTC sells come with the bootloader unlocked, so security shouldn't be an issue.
That said, you do make good points!
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It is a tough decision. If the nexus 6 had micro SD slot I'd drop the note4. But alas, it does not, but the note4 has many advantages over the nexus6. And of disadvantages. I wish Samsung would drop the physical buttons in favor of software navigation already. I hate touchwiz but it is tameable and the note4 is just about perfect minus the home and physical buttons. I longingly look at the nexus 6 and wait for the next manufacturer to mish mash the best of both the note4 an nexus 6. If the m9 or hima has a 5.5" screen like rumors say I would probably go for that. The m8 and sense were much more tolerable than touchwiz. I am gonna keep my m8 and it's status as my everything goto media player unless the hima blows it out of the water.
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Thanks for the input.
How are you liking your M8? How is your battery life? How do you think the screen compares to the Note's AMOLED?
One thing to keep in mond about the M9 is that there very possibly won't be a Google Play Edition of it since all signs are pointing to the GPE arrangement being ended.
The M8 has good developer support but as of late we have seen HTC really crack down on development. They have blocked S-Off on most 4.4.4 models and CM has a hard time especially with audio. It looks like the M8 will be the last of the great developement period for HTC unless they pull a fast one for us.
o.o
altimax98 said:
One thing to keep in mond about the M9 is that there very possibly won't be a Google Play Edition of it since all signs are pointing to the GPE arrangement being ended.
The M8 has good developer support but as of late we have seen HTC really crack down on development. They have blocked S-Off on most 4.4.4 models and CM has a hard time especially with audio. It looks like the M8 will be the last of the great developement period for HTC unless they pull a fast one for us.
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Could you elaborate on this? What is the implication of this on using custom ROMs? Does it mean that if HTC finds a way to permanently block S-Off in future versions we won't be able to use custom non-Sense ROMs?
Agree, best advice if possible.
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Wait. Either android or the nexus 6 is buggy. Performance isn't great. By the time the m9 is released either android will be fixed or the nexus 6 well be abandoned.
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Riktar said:
The m8 was a beautiful device. Sense is also very close to stock android and pretty damn snappy. I was on the same boat when my upgrade came in December. I honestly just didn't want to wait u until March for unveiling then maybe april/may for purchase. Newer, better phones will always be released so you would have been asking yourself the same question when the m9 came out (should I wait another 5-6 months for the new nexus).
The m9 will most likely be gorgeous, if they base it on the m8. I've just gotten used to larger displays. A sub 5.5 inch display just isn't cutting it for me. The biggest pro is the 810 chip and whatever power saving abilities it will have. Performance wise, it might clock higher but even the n5 can handle everything you throw at it (app wise).
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Yes, I've always been a phablet user, older eyes need bigger displays, I started on the HTC HD2, then HTC Sensation, followed by AMaze, Followed by Samsung G4 then G5 then note 3, to LGG3 to Nexus 6 and Note 4. AS you can see, I like Phablets which to me seem small in my hands. As the previous poster said, The Nexus 6 with Lollipop is incomplete and has it share of bugs and imperfection, especially in options and settings. So many things you may take for granted on other devices turn out to be features of said device and not standard usability. I am waiting for the big update later this month or next to see what is added or addressed and what is considered a feature. A lot of press as claimed not much in the way of features or settings, or usability is going to be addressed because it is the way google as chosen to go. Unreal that they think the ambient notification helps deaf people more than a blinking LED, but that is their position. I disagree with their thought process and find it hard to believe that somehow the new notification system makes it easier to tell what you have received. To me it makes little sense but I am used to the old fashion LED system and may be biased in my thinking.
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BenDroid1 said:
Definitely buy a nexus 6...nothing better than to have an untouched Google edition android phone..totally ideal for rooting and modifying highly.. Unlike the htc one..it has sense ui..and lots of security.. It wud give u a hard time... They both also have great specs no lag
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I have yet to get a phone that was unrootable if you needed to have root for some reason. In fact, now that I have the nexus six, it's the first phone that I have not rooted yet, only because I feel the phone should do most of the things I like without rooting and at that point root it to use titanium back up.
Most ROM's solve the performance issues by disabling decryption, right?
That said if HTC will actually stunt ROMing on the One M9, I might simply just get the Nexus 6. Nothing annoys me more than having to wait months upon months because a company decided that developers shouldn't develop.
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Most ROM's solve the performance issues by disabling decryption, right?
That said if HTC will actually stunt ROMing on the One M9, I might simply just get the Nexus 6. Nothing annoys me more than having to wait months upon months because a company decided that developers shouldn't develop.
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That was the first thing I did was disable the encryption. Ive had absolutely no issues with performance whatsoever. This is the fastest phone I've ever owned. I came for the HTC m8. I don't know what's your carrier is but I'm verizon and I know things are getting tougher and tougher to unlock as far as bootloaders and even root. Just look at the Samsung devices on Verizon they are so locked down and i may be wrong but I'd be surprised if the new HTC m9 achieves s off for Verizon. I'm at the point now where if I can't have an unlocked bootloader and an easily rootable device I'm going to go ahead and switch to an AT&T SIM on straight talk and continue to buy devices at full retail as I have been doing. . The only reason I've stuck with Verizon is because I work in a steel building in the only reason I get signal is because there is a Verizon tower on the company property in the back and I still hardly get any signal inside.
Great topic
This is same question I've been considering for a while too. I actually like HTC's skin (not nearly as much as Stock Android but still) and I'm sure it'll get plenty of development. But Stock Android is too good to resist.. and so are timely updates.
There's also the chance that future non-Nexus Android phones will be more locked down.
All in all, I want to see what the M9 brings to the table.
am a little bit of a htc fan boy as you can see in my signature i have the nexus 6 at the moment and i love it if you look around online the note about the snap 810 being serious throttled and having way bad over heating issues and the rumours that its going to be delayed just wont go away as the snap 810 is in the lg flex 2 and even our nexus 6 beats it in antutu and i was planing on getting the m9 instead but went with the nexus 6 as i dont really want to be the beta testers for qualicom and pay £550 for the privilege lol
If me I will wait for m9 or z4
It truly depends on what you want from a software perspective. No non-nexus devices development community ever compares in size to a Nexus Development community. OEM devices are notoriously difficult to get AOSP working well on, so if you want AOSP, Nexus devices are best for that.
would you buy the nexus 6 again today over other phones?
Yes but not direct from Motorola
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Probably not.
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would you buy the nexus 6 again today over other phones?
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I perhaps would try the LG G4. Prior to switching I had the LG G3 and it was a pretty great phone. Considering you only needed root and the exposed framework to do many cool features. Thought that it was a great concept for moving forward with devices. No longer waiting for that special ROM to come. It was truly a no hassle phone.
I'd go with the Sammy S6 edge except it is very small on screen size. But my number one concern with any phone is support for Android Auto, cause when I'm mobile, I am and want to be hands free mobile. But in my humble opinion, the Nexus is much more of a dedicated ROM, Framework, and Governor type phone which requires constant attention and tweaking by the user to get the most out of.
I love my N6 but I wish the camera was faster. The camera on the G4 is the only thing I covet
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Yes, I was not at all impressed with the m9. I must admit the s6 did impress me however only 5 inches and no front facing speakers makes me not want it. I must admit I am anxiously waiting for the note 5 and what ever the next Nexus device is going to be at the end of the year. If the next Nexus is smaller than 5.5 inches I will definitely consider the Note 5.
I am still very happy with my Nexus 6
I tend not to buy phones that are 6 months old. If it was 3 months ago, then yes.
There is nothing now that I feel would be any better either though. I'd probably be waiting until Autumn unless I had a desperate requirement
Yes, mostly because root is more and more elusive. There's so much less to worry about with a Nexus device: no need for exploits nor bootloader codes, no worries about bricking, and no lack of dev support.
That said, there are areas I would like to see improvement. Between Google and all the dev support, we don't have to wait long to see and implement them.
Coming from a S4 to this phone is like night and day. Boot loader, root, general flashing all much easier with a great forum to provide support.... whats not to love?? If none of those things matter to you then any phone would do but if you like to live a little on the edge and try new stuff.... this type of phone is a good choice.
Yes. Tired of waiting for ROMs and bootloader hacks and root access for other phones. Google gives you access to everything right out the box.
I would buy my Nexus 6 today in a heartbeat. Even though it's now an "older" device, there are many points that I love and haven't really seen in other devices. Top 5 reasons:
1. Aftermarket/community support
2. Build materials and quality (I like the plastic back with the metal frame. Might not be as "pretty" but the back is less likely to show abrasions and won't dent)
3. Lollipop/"Pure" Android (no bloat, cutting-edge software, timely updates)
4. The amazing hardware package (although we all agree the camera could be better on a device in this class)
a. awesome processors
b. lots o' RAM
c. fantastic radios (cell, GPS, BT, WiFi)
d. wonderful front stereo speakers
e. dat screen, doh
f. etc...
5. Size and shape
As others have said, I cannot go without an rooted and unlocked device. My heart would sink if i had an unmodable phone. The dev and community support is great. Other phones may have nice features here and there or higher benchmarks but if it cannot rooted and unlocked I'll pass. The manufacturers may have a their own idea of how a phone should be setup, but I don't prefer it. I want to tweak it to my liking, especially since this is primarily what in use to communicate with the world.
Just as in the plethora of ROMs available here: some are stock+ while others have a ton of features. I, fortunately, have the ability to choose which user-interface best pleases my needs.
If all phones were unlocked and rootable I would have to rethink my answer.
I would absolutely buy it again.
I did just purchase mine. Had the s6 and had to return it because of display issues and the battery life was terrible. At the store they gave me a replacement with the same display issue (pink tint on bottom 1/3 of the display, very noticable next to the display model). Looked at the g flex 2 and m9 and decided I wanted to go with this. I had been saying I was gonna get a nexus anyway but the s6's hardware was very appealing. I am not disappointed with my decision at all. I did think the battery life would be a little better on this and it does get uncomfortably toasty at times but I do love this phone.
Definitely would buy again.
1) Unlockable bootloader with so little hassle
2) Dev community
At the same time I have been putting up with a slow camera ;(
Edit: good solution for camera just found: open camera (in the GPS: Dev mark Harman)
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I did just purchase mine. Had the s6 and had to return it because of display issues and the battery life was terrible. At the store they gave me a replacement with the same display issue (pink tint on bottom 1/3 of the display, very noticable next to the display model). Looked at the g flex 2 and m9 and decided I wanted to go with this. I had been saying I was gonna get a nexus anyway but the s6's hardware was very appealing. I am not disappointed with my decision at all. I did think the battery life would be a little better on this and it does get uncomfortably toasty at times but I do love this phone.
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Check out the disabling services thread in general http://forum.xda-developers.com/nexus-6/general/disabling-google-play-services-guide-t2999821/page22 post 220 talks about disabling receivers, it refers to the google play update receivers they start with system.update. I disabled those 3 and battery life has been pretty good (along with other stuff I don't use... Fit, Kids, and such). Of course you need to be rooted to do this, I am using My Android Tools (I got the paid version but there is also a free version I think) to disable stuff. Just pay close attention to the thread and don't try to experiment.... at a minimum, you will want to have a nandroid backup before you start just incase you disable something by mistake.
in tech, its all about timing. there are 810 phones i can get today.. though i think i might be happier with the 805 than the 810, but the chips in the s6 look pretty good... i might even wait for the 6s-plus to come out if i were shopping today (if the 6 plus had 2 gigs of ram i would have gotten a 6 plus)... the phone i wanted more than anything was the droid turbo when deciding (was between nexus 6, moto x, m8 and droid turbo... so lots of moto). after seeing all the development for the nexus, i dont think i would go to another phone... but an lg nexus with ips display might be nice (dont need 4k, 1080 is fine... want a 4200 mAh battery).
and i have a feeling we are still unlocking new potential with the phone, porting moto features, getting cm implementation ironed out... lollipop is still in growing pains...
I just bought mine a couple weeks ago so I'd say yes. I was just tired of lack of root and delayed updates on the Note 4.
Hello there,
I need to buy a phone and am getting both Z3C and Z2 at similar prices. ($400).
I know the merits and demerits of both but am still confused. Also I owned a Xperia U (great dev support) but am unable to see any great dev support for both the z3 and Z2. I am a sony lover <3 Should I buy them or look forward to any other device with great dev support (OPO, OPT, G3 etc)
Thank You
Depends, want a compact high end phone? the only one is the Z3C, the Z2 is 5.2 inch, the difference is 0.6 inches and is A LOT, in normal phones (above 5 inches) you have a lot of choices, cant give you a recommendation without knowing what you want... just dont get a Samsung.
About the custom roms my personal experience is with a S1, an S4 i9500 and a Nexus 7 2012, all bad, the roms i tested work well the first time and then they begin to get slow, also a lot of bugs, the N7 is a nexus but apparently support ended, also the lollipop update killed it, i have it right now with 4.2.2, both S1 and S4 worked far better with stock rom/debloated stock rom.
Z3C on 4.4.4 can be rooted easily and Xposed framework all works well.
5.1 can be rooted with a bit of messing about and Xposed is working (mostly?) with a bit of messing about, depending upon the time you have available and your Android skills.
There is ongoing work on both of these and I think 5.1 will be easy soon.
I very much think there is no difference between the Z2 and Z3C in this regard as they essentially have the same SoC. I use the same tools on Z3C and Z1C though they are slightly different hardware.
I am not an expert on this, so someone may correct me.
I personally got the Z3C due to the size and $375 on Amazon. I also got a Z1C for $250 there which is a great buy at that price.
I think its worth waiting till september
Well yes there is a difference but they are minor since everybody wants big phones now and Z3C falls in small phones today! But I can manage the smallness. No Samsung at all
Indeed next week new Sony phones will be unveiled Z5 and Z5c most likely