I'm in China so I don't care about warranty. I'm using china-unicom and they uses 4G LTE band 3 as main band.
I just want to have unlocked bootloader and 4G LTE band 3 at same time. But according to the specs on moto website, pure editon have no band 3 support, while on the other hand, I don't know if AT&T model can have bootloader unlocked.
So I want to know that if there is a hardware difference between pure edition and ATT edition. If not, maybe I can just buy a pure edition and try to open band 3 by software operation. Or I don't know if I can get a bootloader unlocking code to deal with a ATT model.
Many thanks :laugh::laugh:
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Really want to know dis..specially if the at&t model is unlocked
whyou said:
I'm in China so I don't care about warranty. I'm using china-unicom and they uses 4G LTE band 3 as main band.
I just want to have unlocked bootloader and 4G LTE band 3 at same time. But according to the specs on moto website, pure editon have no band 3 support, while on the other hand, I don't know if AT&T model can have bootloader unlocked.
So I want to know that if there is a hardware difference between pure edition and ATT edition. If not, maybe I can just buy a pure edition and try to open band 3 by software operation. Or I don't know if I can get a bootloader unlocking code to deal with a ATT model.
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I‘m in China too.You can choose the Euro or HK NewMotoX in the future.I'm sure HK version will available.Just wait for it.:laugh:
I'm no sure AT&T's newmotox can be unlock the Bootloader and the Network.
In fact,pure edition is T-mobile’s edition.Don't support China Unicom FDD-LTE Network.
T-mobile LTE band: 02 04 17.
呵呵。
https://www.motorola.co.uk/motomaker?pid=FLEXR2#moto-x+1-story-specs
I just checked the UK version but no band 03 either.
Come on MOTO! I just need a phone with unlocked BL and band 3 LTE at the same time!
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This seems like a dumb question, but I'm trying to figure out if an unlocked Moto X off of the Motomaker site will fully work on AT&T. I know Motorola sells the "T-Mobile" version as the unlocked one on their site, which is why I put both in the subject. I can't tell by the specs I'm finding if the unlocked version will work or not, and I'm not real familiar with the exact bands needed on Tmobile and AT&T (we just switched from being long time Verizon users). Any help would be appreciated as I'm supposed to pick it up today from another guy!
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...I'm trying to figure out if an unlocked Moto X off of the Motomaker site will fully work on AT&T...
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Yes.
dew.man said:
Yes.
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Thanks - so if you're paying full retail, there's really zero reason to get the AT&T version vs. the unlocked version off of the motomaker site, it would seem anyway...
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Thanks - so if you're paying full retail, there's really zero reason to get the AT&T version vs. the unlocked version off of the motomaker site, it would seem anyway...
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Technically, the AT&T version does support one additional LTE band that the TMobile and DevEdition do not. HOWEVER, I've read that that specific band is not used in the US, and my experience has been consistent in that my tmo variant always has LTE coverage whenever my AT&T iPhone does.
I'm leaving Verizon with a T-Mobile motomaker moto x which I'll try on TMs no contract plan. If it doesn't work out, I can always give ATT a try. Seems like a no-brainer to use the TM version.
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Technically, the AT&T version does support one additional LTE band that the TMobile and DevEdition do not. HOWEVER, I've read that that specific band is not used in the US, and my experience has been consistent in that my tmo variant always has LTE coverage whenever my AT&T iPhone does.
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Interesting - trying to dig up some info on 850. But even still, it covers all the other major ones, and worst case scenario you're falling back onto their HSPA+ which is pretty good in and of itself. I live in the DFW area, and I'm here 99% of the time. So I'm sure it won't be an issue.
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Interesting - trying to dig up some info on 850. But even still, it covers all the other major ones, and worst case scenario you're falling back onto their HSPA+ which is pretty good in and of itself. I live in the DFW area, and I'm here 99% of the time. So I'm sure it won't be an issue.
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The band that the TMO moto x doesn't have is band 5 LTE I think. AT&T only uses 4 and 7 in the US. You're going to be fine getting the tmobile one no matter what GSM carrier you choose.
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Technically, the AT&T version does support one additional LTE band that the TMobile and DevEdition do not. HOWEVER, I've read that that specific band is not used in the US, and my experience has been consistent in that my tmo variant always has LTE coverage whenever my AT&T iPhone does.
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Actually its two LTE bands (5&7) the T-Mo and GSM Dev X lack compared to the ATT US model. But you are right, they are said to be used outside the USA only, so if you don't plan on traveling, you wont miss them.
See the discussion in this thread -> http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2546466
And the since the T-Mo is sim unlocked, and can be bootloader unlocked, Right, if you are paying full retail, there is no reason to buy the ATT (which is sim locked and can't unlock bootloader).
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Actually its two LTE bands (5&7) the T-Mo and GSM Dev X lack compared to the ATT US model.
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Can you please provide a reference to where the AT&T model supports band 7?
Everything I've read shows 5 but not 7...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2511121
http://www.phonearena.com/phones/Motorola-Moto-X_id7885
http://wiki.cyanogenmod.org/w/Xt1058_Info
The hardware in the AT&T model supports LTE band 7, all XT1058s do. However last time I checked the FCC docs it wasn't approved to use it in the US. In 4.2.2 it wasn't enabled in the AT&T build, in 4.4 I believe that it is though. It is used all across Canada and in some other countries, not sure if the US will ever use it though.
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Can you please provide a reference to where the AT&T model supports band 7?
Everything I've read shows 5 but not 7...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2511121
http://www.phonearena.com/phones/Motorola-Moto-X_id7885
http://wiki.cyanogenmod.org/w/Xt1058_Info
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https://plus.google.com/114874428605785658638/posts/fkFtiVpXyHi John Renaldi of Motorola Mobility Inc. You have to scroll down as I can't seem to link to his post/followup on Nov 27.
While the TMO version does in fact have all the AT&T LTE bands (your AT&T SIM will work), the hardware itself does not contain all the same bands as the AT&T version. Our TMO version supports: LTE Band 02; LTE Band 04; LTE Band 17 and the AT&T version supports LTE Band 02; LTE Band 04; LTE Band 05; LTE Band 07; LTE Band 17
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https://plus.google.com/114874428605785658638/posts/fkFtiVpXyHi John Renaldi of Motorola Mobility Inc. You have to scroll down as I can't seem to link to his post/followup on Nov 27.
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Cool. Interesting how that's the only place it's mentioned (contrary to all the published specs). Wonder if it was just a slip up or if everybody else got it wrong!?
Oh well, like we both said, won't matter in the US
Ironically enough, I ended up disabling my LTE as HSPDA is fast enough and I get much better battery life with it off...
Ok..so does 4.4.2 finally give us AWS on verizon? Need it badly here in NYC. Delay is activating this band is ridiculous
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Ok..so does 4.4.2 finally give us AWS on verizon? Need it badly here in NYC. Delay is activating this band is ridiculous
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4.4 on my Verizon Dev X appears to give me AWS LTE... I say that because I get LTE signal when using my T-Mobile USA SIM in my X. And T-Mobile supports Band 4, not Band 13.
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4.4 on my Verizon Dev X appears to give me AWS LTE... I say that because I get LTE signal when using my T-Mobile USA SIM in my X. And T-Mobile supports Band 4, not Band 13.
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4.4 VZ Dev Ed gives me band 4 LTE with a TMo SIM. Have yet to try it since flashing a EU 4.4.2 file (kept my 4.4 VZ radios, so I can't imagine it would change much, but Play Store recognizes my device as XT1052 now, which I find funny).
What app do you use to check the band?
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What app do you use to check the band?
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I have nothing that will display the LTE Band. I would love to find one that does.
For me, its process of Elimination.. VZW X initially supported LTE Band 13, which T-mobile doesn't support. T-Mobile does support LTE Band 4, which is the only other VZW LTE Band. (VZW lists Band 13 and 4 on their page for the X). Since I get LTE with my T-Mobile SIM it must be LTE band 4.
If you get T-Mobile LTE in any device, it supports AWS LTE, period.
I understand the process of elimination but on my SGS3 it would give me a band number (Band 13 in my case) but my Moto X gives me no band number. Is there a way to find out what band it is actually connected to?
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I understand the process of elimination but on my SGS3 it would give me a band number (Band 13 in my case) but my Moto X gives me no band number. Is there a way to find out what band it is actually connected to?
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As far as I know, no, not on vanilla Android. I also own a Galaxy S4 and what you're talking about is integrated into TouchWiz.
The Moto X used to tell you what Band it was on...this was prior to the Kitkat update. After that, I have been unable to find an app that tells me what band it is using. If anyone else has ideas, let me know. (BTW I am not rooted.)
Hi everyone, I'm thinking about getting a moto x but I dont know which carrier version to pick.
I currently have a droid 4 on verizon and I'm looking to ditch verizon in favor of straight talk in june.
My issue is that they're having a sale on the moto maker site and I dont know weather to choose a Verizon one to use untill my plan stops or if I should get the T-Mobile or at&t version so it will work better with straight talk when the time comes to change.
Something to consider is that 1. T-Mobile has pretty spotty coverage in my area 2. I dont think the moto x can be activated as cdma for straight talk.
Some other questions I have are 1. will a T-Mobile version work just fine on at&t? 2. are there any reasons I should pick an at&t branded one? 3. Are there any reasons i shouldn't pick the verizon version?
thank you for your time
Correct me on this if needed, but all Verizon phones are sim unlocked and work with GSM per FCC agreement. So you could get that version, but I would check it first when receiving it to see if it work with a GSM sim, if not you can get an RMA for a refund. The Verizon edition have the 3G bands to work with ATT, it lacks T-Mobile AWS 3G band (1700). Also it only support LTE band 13, it doesn't support LTE bands 2, 4 or 17 that come with the GSM unlocked version, so you will not get LTE on ATT or T-Mobile.
There is zero reason to get the ATT version what so ever, none, zilch. It's sim locked (though you could ask ATT to unlock it I guess), cannot unlock bootloader. The T-Mobile version is actually the unlocked version, it support every bands required by ATT, both 3G and LTE. T-Mobile version have unlocked sim and bootloader, doesn't have carrier logo nor carrier bloatwares.
Then there is the unlocked GSM Developer Edition which allow you to unlock bootloader without losing warranty, is similar to regular T-Mobile unlocked edition, except that it lacks T-Mobile AWS 3G band. You can get the Dev edition for Verizon as well which have the same bands support as the regular Verizon version. You can not unlock the bootloader for the regular version of ATT and Verizon.
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Thank you for the clarification, looks like im going the t-mobile route
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Correct me on this if needed, but all Verizon phones are sim unlocked and work with GSM per FCC agreement. So you could get that version, but I would check it first when receiving it to see if it work with a GSM sim, if not you can get an RMA for a refund. The Verizon edition have the 3G bands to work with ATT, it lacks T-Mobile AWS 3G band (1700). Also it only support LTE band 13, it doesn't support LTE bands 2, 4 or 17 that come with the GSM unlocked version, so you will not get LTE on ATT or T-Mobile.
There is zero reason to get the ATT version what so ever, none, zilch. It's sim locked (though you could ask ATT to unlock it I guess), cannot unlock bootloader. The T-Mobile version is actually the unlocked version, it support every bands required by ATT, both 3G and LTE. T-Mobile version have unlocked sim and bootloader, doesn't have carrier logo nor carrier bloatwares.
Then there is the unlocked GSM Developer Edition which allow you to unlock bootloader without losing warranty, is similar to regular T-Mobile unlocked edition, except that it lacks T-Mobile AWS 3G band. You can get the Dev edition for Verizon as well which have the same bands support as the regular Verizon version. You can not unlock the bootloader for the regular version of ATT and Verizon.
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So you're saying I could get the Verizon Dev Moto X, and theoretically toss a ATT SIM in it and it will work on ATT (3G-only)? Has anyone tried this?
I can't guarantee it, but that should be the case, all new Verizon phones have unlocked sim on the GSM side, if they don't they would violate the FCC agreement.
We had a discussion on this, see here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2551692
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Looking to buy a new handheld and performance-wise moto x look ok, so
I have picked the 2013 model to be robust enough for me, so is there any reason I should buy the 1053 for a peace in mind or can I go for the cheaper 1058 ? I live in the uk
It depends.
The XT1053 supports: gsm 850/900/1800/1900, wcdma 1700/850/1900 and LTE bands 2 , 4 and 17
The XT1058 supports: gsm 850/900/1800/1900, wcdma 850/1900 and LTE bands 2, 4, 5, 7 and 17
So the differences are that the XT1053 supports wcdma 1700 and the XT1058 supports LTE band 5 and 7.
Which one supports the most frequencies your carrier uses?
Next there is SIM unlock and Bootloader Unlock...
The XT1053 is SIM Unlocked out of the box. No need to buy a code. While the XT1053 ships with its bootloader LOCKED out of the box, it can be unlocked, the code is available for free from Moto's web site.
The XT1058 is usually SIM LOCKED so you need to buy a code from the internet. While the XT1058 also ships bootloader LOCKED out of the box, Moto only has the codes for the non-ATT USA XT1058 availabe on their web site. IF you get an ATT USA XT1058, you can't get the bootloader unlock code from Moto. As of TODAY (when I'm typing this) the only option to bootloader unlock the ATT USA XT1058 is IF the phone has never been upgraded past 4.4.2, and you can use JCASE's Sunshine tool/app.
Unlocking the bootloader is only important if you want to root and/or flash custom roms.
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It depends.
The XT1053 supports: gsm 850/900/1800/1900, wcdma 1700/850/1900 and LTE bands 2 , 4 and 17
The XT1058 supports: gsm 850/900/1800/1900, wcdma 850/1900 and LTE bands 2, 4, 5, 7 and 17
So the differences are that the XT1053 supports wcdma 1700 and the XT1058 supports LTE band 5 and 7.
Which one supports the most frequencies your carrier uses?
Next there is SIM unlock and Bootloader Unlock...
The XT1053 is SIM Unlocked out of the box. No need to buy a code. While the XT1053 ships with its bootloader LOCKED out of the box, it can be unlocked, the code is available for free from Moto's web site.
The XT1058 is usually SIM LOCKED so you need to buy a code from the internet. While the XT1058 also ships bootloader LOCKED out of the box, Moto only has the codes for the non-ATT USA XT1058 availabe on their web site. IF you get an ATT USA XT1058, you can't get the bootloader unlock code from Moto. As of TODAY (when I'm typing this) the only option to bootloader unlock the ATT USA XT1058 is IF the phone has never been upgraded past 4.4.2, and you can use JCASE's Sunshine tool/app.
Unlocking the bootloader is only important if you want to root and/or flash custom roms.
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That's great man! You've put it very comprehensively, excellent job. I think I'll go with the x1053, yeat again thanks man! thumps up!
Been going back and forth between purchasing an unlocked N8 or TMO variant N8. Question is, if I bought a TMO variant and then had TMO unlock my phone after meeting their requirements would all the LTE bands then be activated and available on the phone? I've heard that all carrier variants have the hardware for all the bands but are limited to carrier bands when locked.