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So, I'm bored with my Nexus. My battery life blows, I refuse to buy another battery for a phone that I'll be getting rid of soon. Also, I can't stand at&t. I'm wanting to get back to Big Red every day. Lucky for me, my contract termination date is soon.
That said, I love the Nexus, I bought it because of it's top-of the line technology. I don't want a Droid 2 it's too thick. The Droid X is too big, plus it's been out since July. Which means that a new one will be out sooner or later. Too bad the N2 is t-mo and maybe at&t, but I really don't want to lock-in to at&t for another 2 years.
Anybody else in this boat? What are you planning on doing? I'm hoping that the next generation android phones come out soon, face cameras and all. Anybody got any good rumors about new "super-phones"?
Nexus One is a beautiful product... I would like to wait for Nexus Two if there is any~ I got my Nexus One on 2nd March.
have been using it for 9 months and I still have 92% usable battery capacity..
I agree it is beautiful. I noticed you're in Australia, for which I'm very jealous. However, I'm not sure what the Australian Android scene is like down there, but it's changing daily here in the US.
Check out the battery cal thread. We just got the battery changes into pershoot's kernel this week. So now you can pull all your battery values from the battery EEPROM chip, and tweak them. We are experimenting with squeezing out more capacity now that we can change voltage, current, etc. Check the battery thread for more info
nothing for awhile, i just upgraded from my G1 to a N1 3 weeks ago and i don't honestly see anything hardware wise ground breaking happening that will make me want to get a new phone anytime soon.
a buddy of mine has the droid X, nice phone but man that screen looks like crap compared to the AMOLED screen the viewing angles not that it matters is very bad on them as well.
I think when they come up with a newer battery tech or phones that can have 2x+ the battery life and still be just as good as an N1 i would consider it but it's not going to happen for at least a year if not longer. in the mean time i don't have problems with battery life on average days and when i know i will be away from home/work for awhile i have a spare charged battery to make sure it stays alive
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So, I'm bored with my Nexus. My battery life blows, I refuse to buy another battery for a phone that I'll be getting rid of soon. Also, I can't stand at&t. I'm wanting to get back to Big Red every day. Lucky for me, my contract termination date is soon.
That said, I love the Nexus, I bought it because of it's top-of the line technology. I don't want a Droid 2 it's too thick. The Droid X is too big, plus it's been out since July. Which means that a new one will be out sooner or later. Too bad the N2 is t-mo and maybe at&t, but I really don't want to lock-in to at&t for another 2 years.
Anybody else in this boat? What are you planning on doing? I'm hoping that the next generation android phones come out soon, face cameras and all. Anybody got any good rumors about new "super-phones"?
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As soon as something that has a high quality build with a good camera equipped, I will jump ship. As of right now, I don't think that any Android phone has a good camera (in my opinion). I think we definitely live in an age where cellphone cameras can replace digital cameras but, unfortunately, there is no Android phone that has impressed me yet in the imaging department.
I agree. My wife wife has an iPhone 3G and I can brag all day about mu N1 being better. But when it gets to the camera, her phone is much better. Android phones have a long way ti catch up.
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I agree. My wife wife has an iPhone 3G and I can brag all day about mu N1 being better. But when it gets to the camera, her phone is much better. Android phones have a long way ti catch up.
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IPhone 3g vs n1 camera? Lol don't think so
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Droid Terminator... Early next year...
Nexus One has a decent camera, but the video recording quality is atrocious, ie. typical HTC video camera quality. Even the Sony X10 Mini Pro takes better videos (constant 30fps indoors). That's probably the only big knock against my Nexus One.
N1 stays
With currently available options I am unable to justify a switch from N1.
Thats unless someone releases an unlocked phone with a 1.5 dual core processor and 1G RAM with sustainable battery backup.
I'll wait for the next batch of new Android devices from the manufacturers once the WP7(which looks good) dust settles down.
They will pry my N1 from my cold dead hands.
Or whenever there's a device with unlockable bootloader, SIM-free (carrier unlocked), running vanilla Android, and officially a "dev phone" that beats Nexus One's specs.
Here are the features I would really like to have on such a device (in no particular order):
More internal storage. WTF were Google and HTC thinking putting only 512MB in the Nexus One?! With app sizes growing like crazy (e.g. Adobe Flash/Air or any 3D game) you hit the limit at 50-60 apps. Froyo improves things a little, but you're only postponing the inevitable "Device memory low" message. 8GB should be the minimum in today's handsets, preferably closer to 16-32GB.
Hardware keyboard. I'm getting used to Swype, but nothing beats the keyboard. Either slide or candy bar (Droid Pro) form factors will do.
True multi-touch screen. N1's screen is using old technology that registers only 2 points, and not very well at that. Just try crossing the axis while pinch-zooming to see what I mean.
Front-facing camera. I know it's a gimmick, but there are some pretty cool apps in the works that take advantage of it.
Better main camera. I'm not talking "moar megapiksels", I mean higher quality optics.
Larger and better screen. N1's 3.7 inches is a good enough size for a mobile device, but only just. I'd really prefer my next handset to have at least a 4.3" screen. Also, assuming Samsung stops hogging their Super AMOLEDs, I'd love to have that because of its supposed battery savings.
Larger battery. At some point we need to realize that with our changing usage habits, those 1500 mAh batteries just don't last for one day. Faster processors, GPU accelerated OS, bigger screens, and overall increased usage all take a toll. It's not your grandfather's Blackberry that sits in his pocket all day. 2400 mAh should be the standard nowadays, even if it makes the phone a millimeter thicker than the iPhone.
Better GPU. Sorry to say, but N1's Adreno 200 is a piece of crap. Forget Galaxy S, it can't even compare to the original Droid's PowerVR chip! I don't play many 3D intensive games on my Nexus One, but the ones I do are barely able to run. Gimme a Tegra2 or ARM's new Mali processor, and we're talkin'
More efficient CPU. It doesn't even need to be faster than 1GHz. As the G2 proved, clock speeds don't mean anything. Multi-core, better architecture, etc. should all be coming very soon to Android manufacturers.
HDMI-out port. Not all of my TVs at home are networkable, so having a video tank is very desirable to me.
CDMA and GSM (both T-Mobile ant AT&T 3G frequencies) radios. SIM lock is not the only thing restricting me from switching between carriers. I'm willing to pay extra to be free from any one particular network. Of course LTE, WiMAX and other future technologies will make this point moot. For the foreseeable future though, just CDMA and GSM radios will do.
Now I realize that with all these features comes a hefty price tag, but I'm willing to pay it. I don't want a carrier subsidy, I just want a kick-ass handset that will do what I want it to do.
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They will pry my N1 from my cold dead hands.
Or whenever there's a device with unlockable bootloader, SIM-free (carrier unlocked), running vanilla Android, and officially a "dev phone" that beats Nexus One's specs.
Here are the features I would really like to have on such a device (in no particular order):
More internal storage. WTF were Google and HTC thinking putting only 512MB in the Nexus One?! With app sizes growing like crazy (e.g. Adobe Flash/Air or any 3D game) you hit the limit at 50-60 apps. Froyo improves things a little, but you're only postponing the inevitable "Device memory low" message. 8GB should be the minimum in today's handsets, preferably closer to 16-32GB.
Hardware keyboard. I'm getting used to Swype, but nothing beats the keyboard. Either slide or candy bar (Droid Pro) form factors will do.
True multi-touch screen. N1's screen is using old technology that registers only 2 points, and not very well at that. Just try crossing the axis while pinch-zooming to see what I mean.
Front-facing camera. I know it's a gimmick, but there are some pretty cool apps in the works that take advantage of it.
Better main camera. I'm not talking "moar megapiksels", I mean higher quality optics.
Larger and better screen. N1's 3.7 inches is a good enough size for a mobile device, but only just. I'd really prefer my next handset to have at least a 4.3" screen. Also, assuming Samsung stops hogging their Super AMOLEDs, I'd love to have that because of its supposed battery savings.
Larger battery. At some point we need to realize that with our changing usage habits, those 1500 mAh batteries just don't last for one day. Faster processors, GPU accelerated OS, bigger screens, and overall increased usage all take a toll. It's not your grandfather's Blackberry that sits in his pocket all day. 2400 mAh should be the standard nowadays, even if it makes the phone a millimeter thicker than the iPhone.
Better GPU. Sorry to say, but N1's Adreno 200 is a piece of crap. Forget Galaxy S, it can't even compare to the original Droid's PowerVR chip! I don't play many 3D intensive games on my Nexus One, but the ones I do are barely able to run. Gimme a Tegra2 or ARM's new Mali processor, and we're talkin'
More efficient CPU. It doesn't even need to be faster than 1GHz. As the G2 proved, clock speeds don't mean anything. Multi-core, better architecture, etc. should all be coming very soon to Android manufacturers.
HDMI-out port. Not all of my TVs at home are networkable, so having a video tank is very desirable to me.
CDMA and GSM (both T-Mobile ant AT&T 3G frequencies) radios. SIM lock is not the only thing restricting me from switching between carriers. I'm willing to pay extra to be free from any one particular network. Of course LTE, WiMAX and other future technologies will make this point moot. For the foreseeable future though, just CDMA and GSM radios will do.
Now I realize that with all these features comes a hefty price tag, but I'm willing to pay it. I don't want a carrier subsidy, I just want a kick-ass handset that will do what I want it to do.
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That would be freaking awsome. I will have my Nexus One until a "Nexus two" is coming . Still very happy with it, had it for like 8 months now.
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Here are the features I would really like to have on such a device (in no particular order):
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That's why, after a lot of deliberation, I'm getting the LG Optimus 2X
All I want is another aluminum uni-body, ulockable-bootloader phone (just like the Nexus One) with the following feature:
a dual-core 1GHz+ processor
at least 1 GB of on-board storage
sdcard slot
I don't think that is too much to ask, is it? So far, From what I see out there, I'm sticking with my N1. If the HTC DesireHD2/Pyramid actually exists and has a dual-core processor, I'll likely jump to that IFF we can get S-OFF.
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All I want is another aluminum uni-body, ulockable-bootloader phone (just like the Nexus One) with the following feature:
a dual-core 1GHz+ processor
at least 1 GB of on-board storage
sdcard slot
I don't think that is too much to ask, is it? So far, From what I see out there, I'm sticking with my N1. If the HTC DesireHD2/Pyramid actually exists and has a dual-core processor, I'll likely jump to that IFF we can get S-OFF.
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what exactly is S-OFF with all these new HTC phones? i keep seeing it around but i am not familiar with what it is.
to answer this thread, i've been in upgrade hell, i simply cant figure out what i would want to replace my nexus one with. nothing out there seems to be "better" than the nexus one for me. is it too hard to get a nice solid aluminum 3.7-4 inch phone with notification light and build quality? the desire s is the highest on my list right now, but that stupid side-charge port turns me off. and no notification light. couldnt they just make the charge port on the bottom like normal?
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what exactly is S-OFF with all these new HTC phones? i keep seeing it around but i am not familiar with what it is.
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S-OFF stands for Security Off. Without getting technical, think of is as an unlocked bootloader.
I'll go for the HTC Pyramid if it shows up unlocked & 4G for tmob usa. Keeping my great N1 till then...
next phone
for me it has to be htc iv experimented and the dev support is with htc it will be a sense phone i cant stand stock
I am going to keep my N1 until the LG Optimus G2x or HTC Pyramid come out on Tmo, but I will wait to see if the Cyanogen team support them. I am not willing to get a phone without CM, or not being able to use custom Roms.
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hi all
my current phone is galaxy s2 and i would like to change my phone
so i'm thinking about the 4x is it a good phone, and as 4x user how do you think about it?
is really lg bad in update and as i read there is no real developer for lg phone!
yes here are no proper devolper for this phone.....but phone is good.....bright disply...sound high and phones look awsome...battery backup is best.......all the littel things ignored..hurry...purchase the phone
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yes here are no proper devolper for this phone.....but phone is good.....bright disply...sound high and phones look awsome...battery backup is best.......all the littel things ignored..hurry...purchase the phone
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thank you
This phone make the best deal for gaming experience.
Other purpose (multimedia, browsing, document processing) is adequate.
If you like to take precision and advanced camera function, you may want to look another model.
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Why is browsing adequate? Is it better on the One X lets say?
I found browsing fast and as good as it gets.
is the camera that bad?
camera is good but not perfect need some software fixes...the phone is great and smooth but need more software support
if bootloader unlocks devs gonna make the best of this phone
DONT
i regret it.
bootloader and crappy lg support messed it up
One X all the way..
onex is good but have some serious touch problems and high temp overheat...
read my friend...
and this phone is new...give it some time
onex got almost morethan 1 year of rom cooking
i Hate Samsung for there bad quality in production "i have alot of problem with them" second thing both company have slow software support in my region
but at least Samsung have unlocked bootloader and HTC is very Overpriced here.
4X heats on gaming too..
and one year of rom cooking? they can. we cant.
my advice, go for s3.. or wait till someone uses an S4 pro chip and go for that..
but not optimus g.. that'll suck **** too
I'm still cheating on it with my p1i. But if you need an android phone, you can do (a lot) worse than this one. Battery life is good, when comparing it to other android phones I've tried... also compared to other tegra 3 devices.. Standby-time tends to be measured in days, which is as it should be (even if that hasn't been obvious for designers for a while for some reason). And battery life while running low-power apps also is good because of the companion core, and lack of in-built apps that use active focus, or keep requesting busy services too fast, etc. So playing music or streaming in the background, and so on, actually didn't draw much power.
So then you have basically the standby time of the second generation iPhones, while still also having the low power-draw while running modest tasks, or flipping through the menus. Seems to be intelligently set up when it comes to using cores when accelerating video, and running on hdmi out as well. That it's not pushing every core to full burn, and balance the running cores. I expect that this is not specific to this phone, though, and happens transparently on the chipset (and that it's the lack of active in-built apps in the background that makes the difference between this and the onex that I tried). On top of that you have apparently the best 3d performance in the shop, without the thing becoming a glowing hot potato in your hand after two minutes.
Menu system and standby screen with the circle unlock (that opens up directly to the app below, etc) also works well, imo. Would wish they did a bit more with it and let you customise it a bit more, though.
Did I mention it has a stereo-plug connector that's not in conductive rubber? That's lovely. Screen and edges I like better than the iPhone I was forced to use for a short while.
Also, optional and removable sd-slot. Thought that was standard nowadays, but no.
Negatives are.. no led blip when getting new messages. Is a bit strange, but saves me a lot of stress, strangely enough
Has no keyboard. And it's fricking huge (relatively speaking.. it's smaller than both the galaxy 3 and the onex.. :/ which makes it the smallest in this class.. fail.. ). If you open it up, the widest component is the module with the home-buttons. Next is the external modules for antenna, I think. The actual core chip with the bus-interface is less than half the thickness of the device. Battery is tiny inside the chassis as well. They could easily have fitted a slightly flatter but larger lithium-polymer battery inside that casing, and had twice the battery life on this thing.
So maybe one day, we'll get a device like this in a credit card sized ips panel. Grey or Tegra4 maybe? Should be possible in the current design as well, though.
Other than that - no odt text editor in Android yet. But I can spam twitter and facebook with every touch of my fingers. Otherwise, format support is good, and this phone doesn't force you to use specific applications via annoying vendor registry settings. Which is a mercy since the boot-loader is locked.
But lacking that smaller phone... since there unfortunately ARE NO PHONES LIKE THAT ON THE MARKET WHATSOEVER. Smaller phones also tend to be thicker. And the different manufacturers are competing with themselves on who can make the most iPhone-like iPhone copy. And have apparently decided that slide-out keyboards are evil... So with that in mind, this is probably the best you can get at the moment, since it's also the cheapest tegra 3 phone on the market. Frankly agonized a lot over buying it, but I'm not unhappy with it so far.
Also, a thing very very important with me, is that since its plastic and with patterns, I dont have to put it in a case, which will make it even bigger. I just use a screen protector and I am done!
even that i'm fully aware of the locked bootloader, i still bought it, because it has excellent hardware with a good price...
for the camera, im not using stock apps, and it is good
I understand this HTC One forum but I want to buy a new phone to replace my Galaxy Nexus, and I think many are considering the two devices and can't decide which one to go for. I only buy Nexus devices and now the Google Play Edition has come into picture running Vanilla Android. What would you recommend? Which one would you buy at the moment if you were in my shoes? Thanks in advance!
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I understand this HTC One forum but I want to buy a new phone to replace my Galaxy Nexus, and I think many are considering the two devices and can't decide which one to go for. I only buy Nexus devices and now the Google Play Edition has come into picture running Vanilla Android. What would you recommend? Which one would you buy at the moment if you were in my shoes? Thanks in advance!
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gun4MRZU3Gs
This should help you decide
Too bad the Nexus 5 does not have a premium build quality like the One.
In fact, imo, there is no other phone (other then iPhone 5(s)) that can compete in terms of build quality.
I like running GPE ROMs on my One, cause I like stock Android.
To me, stock Android and the premium feel of the One is pretty much perfect.
But stock/Vanilla Android will never run as fluent on the One, then on a Nexus device.
So if your choice is dependent on how the software will run, I'd say the Nexus 5.
If I compare my friend's Nexus 4 to my One, even the Nexus 4 is more fluent and faster, only the way stock Android runs that is.
Cause in terms of raw processing power, the Nexus 4 does not come close to the One ofcourse.
If you want the best of both, and dont mind the loss of a bit speed in terms of UI, I'd say the One GPE.
I'd pick the Nexus 5 though.
The money you save with it, is worth it aswell.
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Too bad the Nexus 5 does not have a premium build quality like the One.
In fact, imo, there is no other phone (other then iPhone 5(s)) that can compete in terms of build quality.
I like running GPE ROMs on my One, cause I like stock Android.
To me, stock Android and the premium feel of the One is pretty much perfect.
But stock/Vanilla Android will never run as fluent on the One, then on a Nexus device.
So if your choice is dependent on how the software will run, I'd say the Nexus 5.
If I compare my friend's Nexus 4 to my One, even the Nexus 4 is more fluent and faster, only the way stock Android runs that is.
Cause in terms of raw processing power, the Nexus 4 does not come close to the One ofcourse.
If you want the best of both, and dont mind the loss of a bit speed in terms of UI, I'd say the One GPE.
I'd pick the Nexus 5 though.
The money you save with it, is worth it aswell.
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I too would go for Nexus. What it loses in build, it more makes up more than enough in price and support.
So, if you are gonna buy nexus, i would recommend you to watch this video to decide whether to go for black or white http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RBCaAq_pKjY
There are structural and build differences
Go with the nexus. I had nexus 4 but took my brothers one and he ordered the 5. The phone is amazing. I love the bigger/wider screen even though it has on screen buttons. I actually miss the onscreen button layout from my nexus 4. In terms of fluidity both phones are very fast but comparing stock vanilla Roms, nexus will always be better because of sense framework on the gpe. Nexus 5 also has the newest processor so it's more futureproof i suppose in that sense. And even if its by a couple weeks, Nexus gets updated first if that makes a difference to you. Development will also be better on nexus, I'd get it just for Franco kernel and touch control lol. I didn't test his phone out a whole lot but camera is on par with HTC one. I only took pictures in my basement and preferred the nexus over HTC. The true HDR+ feature works wonders.
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I love the bigger/wider screen even though it has on screen buttons. I actually miss the onscreen button layout from my nexus 4.
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waste of space, you loose a portion of the screen for nothing, One with the soft button is better.
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nexus will always be better because of sense framework on the gpe
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wrong, 4.2.2 GPE had a sense base framework, with the 4.3 it's completly removed and stock so will be the 4.4
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Nexus 5 also has the newest processor so it's more futureproof i suppose in that sense.
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i think is overrated have 4x 2.3ghz cpu instead of a 4x 1.7, you can run everything even on a snapdragon 400.. the 800 is better ofc but an upgrade from the 600 is pointless.
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Nexus gets updated first if that makes a difference to you.
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two week difference is also not a good excuse to choose the N5 over the M7 GPE.
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I didn't test his phone out a whole lot but camera is on par with HTC one. I only took pictures in my basement and preferred the nexus over HTC.
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all major sites (android police, android autority, anand, theverge, ecc) and the best youtubers says that the 8mpx camera on the N5 is pretty crap, not hardware site but software site, like postprocessing and all that stuff and a major upgrade is waited to fix poor quality video/photo.
reviewers says also that the stock sound on the N5 is low (like the Galaxy Nexus problem) but could be fixed using custom roms/kernels.. i mean the loudspeaker and not music like but ringtones, Google wtf are you doing? Build quality is medium, back cover is nice touchy.. and the camera gap si a bad choice also.
M7 has a better build quality overall, will have the same os with the GPE conversion and OTA (~15 days), better sound (a lot better), screen is a full 1080p with external buttons, you could switch to Sense if needed.
the only thing i wish i could have on the M7 converted is the amoled display with the Moto X active notification, that would be fantastic.
PRO for the N5? the price.
oh yes, the always listening feature: only works on EN-US, and extra US Google Now is pretty useless atm.
ps: in my country M7 could be found starting from 430€ new, the N5 is 350€ from Play Store.. no kidding.
Your preference of capacitive buttons is pure opinion you can't say which will be better for him. I liked it because it's faster navigation ( no holding down home for Google now, menu or recents). Plus I used 180 flip on nexus 4 and my buttons would always be on the bottom. Also, I didn't know 4.3 removed sense framework but how is beats working? I didn't really test camera that much just took a few snaps and I read the Engadget review and they said it had better snaps than HTC one in some situations (not always obviously). Wheni talked about the camera I meant my personal preference I'm not a photography expert. The htc one increases light exposure hence better night pics but from what I've seen in the time I have used it is light from different sources gets distorted. For example, in the basement the picture came out good but light from the TV was too bright and from the light bulbs too and this created distortion in that area only. With the nexus I was still able to pick up the same quality image but without the distortion on the TV screen and around the light bulbs. Build quality I agree HTC is better but heavier depends on preference again. The plastic isn't that bad it has a good feel to the back and doesn't squeak like most galaxy phones. I didnt test external speakers/sound output but nexus 4 was poor so i hope they would've learbed from it. Although faux and Franco kernels fixed any problems I had so the same can be done with nexus 5. Again, you can't just write off the processor as no big deal. It is a step up and should be considered especially since the newer hardware is cheaper than the old. And he's not upgrading from a 600 he's choosing betweens phones that have 600 and 800. All depends on what he needs in a phone.
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Your preference of capacitive buttons is pure opinion you can't say which will be better for him. I liked it because it's faster navigation ( no holding down home for Google now, menu or recents). Plus I used 180 flip on nexus 4 and my buttons would always be on the bottom. Also, I didn't know 4.3 removed sense framework but how is beats working? I didn't really test camera that much just took a few snaps and I read the Engadget review and they said it had better snaps than HTC one in some situations (not always obviously). Wheni talked about the camera I meant my personal preference I'm not a photography expert. The htc one increases light exposure hence better night pics but from what I've seen in the time I have used it is light from different sources gets distorted. For example, in the basement the picture came out good but light from the TV was too bright and from the light bulbs too and this created distortion in that area only. With the nexus I was still able to pick up the same quality image but without the distortion on the TV screen and around the light bulbs. Build quality I agree HTC is better but heavier depends on preference again. The plastic isn't that bad it has a good feel to the back and doesn't squeak like most galaxy phones. I didnt test external speakers/sound output but nexus 4 was poor so i hope they would've learbed from it. Although faux and Franco kernels fixed any problems I had so the same can be done with nexus 5. Again, you can't just write off the processor as no big deal. It is a step up and should be considered especially since the newer hardware is cheaper than the old. And he's not upgrading from a 600 he's choosing betweens phones that have 600 and 800. All depends on what he needs in a phone.
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Someone blames HTC for not having navbar on the One, i would never understand this.. ok it's my opinion, like what i'm thinking about the navbar on tablets, but it's another story.
Camera on N5 will probably fixed with a better postprocessing engine, not that big deal, but sound is really an issue.. and kernels are not an excuse because a lot of people just stay on Stock Rom and maybe just root/busybox, they will never loose time or have the knowledge to flash a deodexed modded cooked rom with custom kernel to improve something that should just work fine out of the box.. want to talk about the sound volume problem on the Galaxy Nexus? or the really poor wifi and the C8 bug? and what about the Nexus 4? with the loudspeaker inudible when it's on a flat surface? they fixed with a new phisical revision.. and the washed color screen? only fix is over kernel with colour control.
Talking about the CPU/GPU ofc it's an upgrade from snap600 to 800, but it's worth? only for the geek i would say, speed is blazing fast for both of them and the only benefit could be on battery usage, maybe 800 is better but who knows? ony the Note3 and the HTC One Max have the 800 version and they have both totally different battery capacity and different OS (touchwiz and sense) so cannot be comparable, soon we will see.. gaming side they are both excelent.. you can play Battlefield at the same level with an i5 or an i7, with a titan or a 780, bigger number is not always better perfomarce.
the N5 will have other problems like all phones have, M7 is not perfect (build gap in some early ships, pink camera issues) but let's compare: they have the same screen resolution, the same dimension, the same android official version (soon), none of them has removal battery, none has sdcard expansion, both have LTE.. 32gb M7 is 430€ here, 32gb N5 is 399€..
imho m7 wins.
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I figured it might be a good idea to share my thoughts on the Note 4, since I always put a lot of research into smartphone buying and someone might find it useful There are some of you that are still leaning toward different flagships all of the time (like I did!), so I hope this helps.
First of all I would like to mention that about a month ago I made up my mind to give up my LG G2 and switch to a new smartphone.
The Xiaomi mi4 came up first.
I liked the design, UI, price, specs. Everything about the mi4 is just above average, but thats about it. It didn't have that even slightest "wow factor" that I needed to push me to buying one. It's a very good phone, but the warranty would require me to send the phone far into the unknown in case something was wrong, I wasn't sure If I would pay tax as well. Nobody had the 64 gb model either (16gb and no card expansion, really?!). I decided that this would probably be a wise choice but it didn't offer anything more than what I already had on the G2, and in some cases, it was worse (camera). I passed.
My second choice was the LG G3.
So like always, I started researching, checking out different variants and prices, digging through the specs, looking for its strong sides and flaws. I liked the quad hd display at first, the SD 801 SoC, good camera with laser autofocus. The UI was a nice upgrade from the LG G2's cartoonish look. The 32 gb model seemed a good option with its 3gb of ram (although I didn't like the design as I wanted something different from the G2).
As I started to dig deaper though, I noticed that the display isn't all that awesome, as there is more to it than just resolution. I think they might have made the phone much better if they sticked to a 1080p panel and focused on other aspects like color reproduction, brightness, power consumption. I found out that the 801 chip is stretched to its limits (even over them..) with that display, which caused overheating, throttling and lagging in demanding tasks and games. I believe a smartphone should be able to handle anything you throw at it so I dumped the G3 from my plans.
Then the Z3 came up.
So again- researching, digging, looking at the cons and pros. I liked the design a lot better than the G3 (besides the plastic corners, although I can justify the reason they used them for). The display was beytter than the Z2, with very good brightness and color reproduction after making some adjustments to the stock settings. The audio quality is superb as well, the whole phone is waterproof and its battery life was very well above the current smartphones.
The camera in the Z3 is top of the line, but I didn't like how it overheats. Making the phone thinner wasn't necessary in my opinion and sony might have thought about the component allocation in the device, as putting everything in the top part of the phone wasn't too smart of a choice. The UI was something that I didn't like the most though. I know I could throw a custom ROM at it in a while, but I wasn't sure how that would work with the camera, battery life and other features sony offered in the stock ROM.
I almost made my mind up on the Z3, as it had everything I wanted and I could live with its cons but then the price came into my mind: 515 pounds including tax.
Thats the part the note 4 came into play.
I watched the Note 4 presentation: the phone impressed me in overall, I liked the design, UI, hardware etc. So I started digging again.
I've always wanted the best out of my phone, no matter if I was going to use all of the functions it had or not. I used my phone for calling, texting, making notes in google keep, gps, playing games, listening to music, browsing the web, taking pictures. Usually I endep up rooting it and putting a stock like ROM on it (although I used the stock LG G2 ROM all the way). The design of the phone was always important for me, thats why I had an iphone 4s and 5 for a month before ditching it cus of the awfully simple and boring OS.
The Note 4 seemed to be a very good phone that offered what I wanted and much more beyond that:
1. The display
It's resolution could have been not increased. Samsung could have stayed with a 1080p panel. But thats not whats important about this panel. This is what the DisplayMate test results are:
"The Galaxy Note 4 delivers uniformly consistent all around Top Tier display performance: it is the first Smartphone display to ever get all Green (Very Good to Excellent) Ratings in all test and measurement categories (except one Yellow for a Brightness Variation with Average Picture Level) since we started the Display Technology Shoot-Out article Series in 2006, an impressive achievement for a display. The Galaxy Note 4 has again raised the bar for top display performance up by another notch. "
The display is a window through which you interact with your phone, and it is a component that must be top of the line. There should be no compromise here. Samsung exceeded my expectations in this matter.
2. Performance
There are 2 variants of the Note as most of you know. I'm still having a hard time with both of them. At first I thought the Snapdragon is an obvious choice considering it was superior to all of the other chips last year.
But then the 64-bit affair came into place. Anyone would like their phone to be futureproof, and a 64-bit SoC would be a wise choice. The exynos and snapdragon chips offer pretty much the same performance. I tried looking at the benchmarks, real world usage, gaming, but one outpaces the other in different things and it is very hard to tell the difference. I believe the fluidity of the UI and overall performance must be taken into consideration the most, as I believe both chips will handle anything you throw at them when apps and games are optimized. The choice is either taking the 20nm exynos and hope for better battery life and 64-bit support OR the snapdragon one and expect better dev support.
I wanted the Exynos for the wolfson chip, as I like good quality music from my phone. I'll be using good headphones and PowerAmp so I figure I wouldn't notice much difference anyway. At least not enough to pay extra and import the exynos variant.
I'm pretty much set on the Snapdragon 805 as I believe the battery life should be good on both (the andreno 420 is powerful with lowered power consumption). Like I mentioned earlier I might change the ROM after a while if something good comes out. It's a matter of personal taste- NOT performance of the chips. Thats my opinion on the matter.
3. User Interface
Touchwiz was out of the question for me up until I saw the Galaxy S5 UI. I actually liked the flat style and functions it offered. The note 4 UI is pretty similar. I really like the S-Pen experience, it should be a great change for people who haven't used it before. I love taking notes and I'll use it often. I like the functions it offers, the selection in different UI elements, the ease of copy/pasting, more precise touch input.
Touchwiz has a lot of useless apps that I might not like, but I'm sure it will be possible to get rid of the ones you don't like later on, the dev community in here will surely help. I could go on about the stamina mode, multi-window, the ability to resize apps etc, but you've all seen that on videos. The most important fact for is that touchwiz had been improved, it is eye pleasing, smoother and faster than ever. It is the best custom android OS you can get atm.
4. Camera
On paper both of the cameras looked really good to me, but I wanted to wait and see the real world results. I wasn't disappointed. there were some early comparisions done, but some of them were pictures or videos not taken with the note 4, so getting a correct view at the performance was quite hard. We have these results now and the note camera is a top notch performer. I find day pictures top of the line, the details are there, colors are popping, OIS helps as well. 4k shooting isn't all that important to me but its a nice addition. The camera seems to be very capable and will perform great in a day-to-day user's hands as well in an experienced person ones.
You may find the night shots worse than of the lumia or z3, but thats just terribly trying to find a flaw to me. Come on- who the hell is going to photograph a piece of paper in the dark of the night!? insane. There are pictures taken with the note at night, i like how the lights aren't blurred and everything seems very crisp and detailed. Do remember what you'll be using the phone camera for, and the Note 4 delivers more than I want in those terms.
5. Battery life
Many people find this very important. I thought the Note 4 might get bad results cause of that screen so I checked out some vids of the LTE-A Galaxy S5 with the higher res display. The results were the same as the standars S5.
I am not sure if its the chip that is more power efficient, some power saving changes in the OS, or the screen, or maybe all of these at once, but the results people are having on the Notes they recently picked up are very pleasing to me.
Final words
I probably shouldn't, cause its so ridiculous, but I'll mention the gap gate as well- I don't give a crap about it. I wont even notice it. Especially with the case I'm going to put on the phone. And its something that samsung probably addressed already in the new batch of phones. There are other things I should maybe mention, but these 5 are most important for me. I really like the performace of the Note 4, its UI, functions, metal frame design, micro SD storage expansion, camera, battery, IR blaster and everything else that seems to be a full package that many will find good enough to put their money on. I surely will. On the black one of course
You have really done some good work digging up info and comparing them.
Just to add couple points to OP's excellent write up:
The battery life concern in #5 is actually addressed in already mentioned DisplayMate article, right towards the bottom it clearly states that the new screen, despite having larger number of pixels is more power efficient than 1080p screen of Note3 (0.05W for 50% and 0.2 W for 100% brightness), about 5 to 10% more efficient and Note 3 has proven itself to have very good battery life already.
The gap between screen and frame around might be by design, due to combination of plastic, glass and metal having different expansion rate due to temperature changes. My thinking is that if the phone was brought from very warm room into very cold outside, metal frame would cool and shrink much faster than the rest and could even possibly crack the glass, doing so. The gap possibly allows for contraction/expansion without doing any damage. Either way, outside of aesthetics, it doesn't affect anything and it's a non issue. Probably blown out of proportions as an attempt to shift attention away from bendgate.
pete4k said:
The battery life concern in #5 is actually addressed in already mentioned DisplayMate article, right towards the bottom it clearly states that the new screen, despite having larger number of pixels is more power efficient than 1080p screen of Note3 (0.05W for 50% and 0.2 W for 100% brightness), about 5 to 10% more efficient and Note 3 has proven itself to have very good battery life already
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I think he was referring to the increased GPU load due to the higher resolution which is a valid concern.
But as it has already been said, even the S5 LTE-A with its Snapdragon 805 and QHD resolution has the same battery life as the regular S5 with Full HD and Snapdragon 800.
Still, it would be interesting to see the battery life on a Snapdragon 805 device with only a Full HD display.
I would prefer the note 4 to have a 1080p panel with the same characteristics. But how many people actually use their head before buying a phone? It's a spec war for android phones..
han4mi said:
I would prefer the note 4 to have a 1080p panel with the same characteristics. But how many people actually use their head before buying a phone? It's a spec war for android phones..
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Normally I would agree that FHD 1080p would be more than enough. However, since the GN4 is going to host the Gear VR, with magnifying lenses, I'm happy it went for the QHD
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Audio Quality
Thanks for taking the time for the write up.
One area I would really like to know about is the quality of the rear speaker.
The sound quality is much more important to me than the placement (and sometimes the rear placement actually helps when you put it on a flat hard surface). I ruled out the Note 3 because its speaker was worse than the Note 2 which is still my current phone. The Note 2's speaker is actually pretty decent if the 4's is equal or better I would be thrilled.
Any input?
ymmp said:
Thanks for taking the time for the write up.
One area I would really like to know about is the quality of the rear speaker.
The sound quality is much more important to me than the placement (and sometimes the rear placement actually helps when you put it on a flat hard surface). I ruled out the Note 3 because its speaker was worse than the Note 2 which is still my current phone. The Note 2's speaker is actually pretty decent if the 4's is equal or better I would be thrilled.
Any input?
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I have the same question, ´cause I am afraid, that speeker-quality will be on low level and I am used to fantastic stereo sound of my current htv one m8.
I think, the price for Note 4 ist extremly high. Meanwhile Samsungs flagships are playing in the same €-league with the latest iphons. So I want to hold it in my own hands first before buying it. In center of Europe the Note 4 will be available in about 2 weeks.
Maybe the new Nexus 6 has a better balance between price and specs. We´ll check it out.
Just read Phone Arena's review. Here's a quote:
"Unfortunately, the audio portion of the media experience isn't so spectacular. The single speaker of the Galaxy Note 4 is rather quiet and lacking any depth, making it sound thin and weak. It's not too bad, but it's far from the best we've heard"
How disappointing! The new Moto X is supposed to have an amazing front speaker. I just wonder if it is more like the Note 2 or 3.
I believe the speaker will be good enough to play the ringtone I choose. I prefer earphones+ Poweramp for my music. Like I said, it depends what you're expecting to use the phone for. The Note 4 meets my demands in key aspects and thats why I'm going for it. I don't want THE BEST PHONE. Such a phone does not exist. All of the flagships have their strenghts and weaknesses and a smart person would take the one with the most personally suitable set of features.
Hello,
Which is the best option?
The new Moto X will have a newer sock, probably a microSD slot and a slightly worst battery and smaller screen size.
Besides having a sock lesser optimized for 2k, Nexus 6 has amoled screen, which I think is not than power hungry and has a bit bigger battery.
Consider that both shares the same price range here in Brazil.
Csetoue said:
Which is the best option?
The new Moto X .....
microSD slot ; Slightly worst battery; smaller screen size.
Nexus 6 . . . .
amoled screen; bit bigger battery.
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It is subjective, but I try.
You may also consider:
- availability of factory images;
- portability; magnet sensor n6 can't switch off;
- wireless charging; camera m-pixels;
- the great dev support here;
- good kernels / Roms N6 now available;
- the screen resolution;
- the positive N6 posts of the M-preview.
NLBeev said:
It is subjective, but I try.
You may also consider:
- availability of factory images;
- portability; magnet sensor n6 can't switch off;
- wireless charging; camera m-pixels;
- the great dev support here;
- good kernels / Roms N6 now available;
- the screen resolution;
- the positive N6 posts of the M-preview.
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I was comparing the specs...
Processor
- Winner: M2015 Style?
N6 has the best SD 32bits out, but 808, maybe I think, is better because its 64 bits... Besides, the video processor is worse (418 vs 420 from N6).
Camera
- Winner: M2015 Style?
N6 has OIS, but M2015 has more MP... Dunno, really, which is better on real life.
Loudspeaker
- Winner: draw
Both has front stereo speakers. Dunno which has the cleanest and/or the loudest sound.
Screen
- Winner: Nexus 6
Amoled is better than TFT, and less power hungry.
Memory
- Winner: M2015 Style
M2015 Style has microSD.
Battery
- Winner: Nexus 6
It has QI charging and probably has more battery life (more mAh and amoled screen).
User experience
- Winner: ???
Will the M2015 Style have the same pure experience and smoothness than the Nexus 6, only adding the few Moto Apps?
After this comparison, I hasnt concluded anything.
Dunno how much better is SD808 than SD805... And, also, dunno if the user experience will be equal... The amoled and the probably better battery life lean me toward the N6.
i ABSOLUTELY love my nexus 6, really do. but at this point id wait for one of the new nexus thatll come out in a few months. if you like larger screened phones, theres the 5.7 inch option(all in theory, since google hasnt announced anything yet). but, if you cant wait, definitely nexus 6
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After this comparison, I hasnt concluded anything.
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A lot of the comparisons require things to be known about the Moto X that we don't have information about yet. The battery life could be phenominal, or it could suck. The camera could be amazing, or it could be overhyped and end up garbage. The speakers could be the worst speakers on a phone in years. I mean, we really don't know at this point. On that note, what if there are major flaws with the device that we dont' know about, and may not until release. Display defects, camera defects, build quality issues or software bugs that looking at a spec sheet won't tell us.
Chipset. They are similar. Unless you are a really heavy user, or a gamer there probably won't be a noticeable difference between the two. We are at a point now where many devices perform similarly even though technically one is faster. The Nexus 6 is technically faster than the Nexus 5, but they perform similarly for most of the basic tasks people would do. Same with the Moto G which has a low end processor, but it should be able to send Snapchats, Instagram, and stream Spotify just as well as any device out now or coming in the near future.
One device isn't objectively better than the other, unless there happens to be a major problem with one. They each have their own pros and cons, most are subjective at this point. Only you know which ones matter most to you, and can make the decision using that information. Both are fine devices (once again assuming there is nothing majorly wrong with the Moto X), and I think a lot of customers would be happy with either.
Personally I would pick the Nexus 6 for 3 reasons.
The display, it being AMOLED and larger are both pluses to me. I have grown to love the 6" display, the bigger the better at this point.
It being a Nexus, gives me the ability to get updates quicker than other phones as well as it being easily rootable and ROMable.
Lastly, my carrier T-Mobile in the US officially supports the N6 meaning I get band 12 and wifi-calling functionality.
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. . . about the Moto X that we don't have information about yet.
One device isn't objectively better than the other. . .
. . .carrier T-Mobile in the US officially supports the N6 meaning I get band 12 and wifi-calling functionality.
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Agree, it is a personal choice. It is difficult to say something about a phone that is not available yet,
In my view it is the subjective way of choosing.
OP wants probably make a choice by comparing phones.
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The battery life could be phenominal, or it could suck.
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Agreed. I presume battery life will be worse on M2015S than on Nexus 6, because it uses TFT and have a 3000mAh, while N6 has amoled and 3220mAh.
I dont think how could it be better, really. :angel:
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On that note, what if there are major flaws with the device that we dont' know about, and may not until release. Display defects, camera defects, build quality issues or software bugs that looking at a spec sheet won't tell us.
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Totally agreed. :highfive:
cupfulloflol said:
Chipset. They are similar. Unless you are a really heavy user, or a gamer there probably won't be a noticeable difference between the two. We are at a point now where many devices perform similarly even though technically one is faster. The Nexus 6 is technically faster than the Nexus 5, but they perform similarly for most of the basic tasks people would do. Same with the Moto G which has a low end processor, but it should be able to send Snapchats, Instagram, and stream Spotify just as well as any device out now or coming in the near future.
One device isn't objectively better than the other, unless there happens to be a major problem with one. They each have their own pros and cons, most are subjective at this point. Only you know which ones matter most to you, and can make the decision using that information. Both are fine devices (once again assuming there is nothing majorly wrong with the Moto X), and I think a lot of customers would be happy with either.
Personally I would pick the Nexus 6 for 3 reasons.
The display, it being AMOLED and larger are both pluses to me. I have grown to love the 6" display, the bigger the better at this point.
It being a Nexus, gives me the ability to get updates quicker than other phones as well as it being easily rootable and ROMable.
Lastly, my carrier T-Mobile in the US officially supports the N6 meaning I get band 12 and wifi-calling functionality.
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I think the comparison is worthy because both gadgets aim at the same kind of user. The one which like pure android and large screens. Besides M2015S isnt already out, I think somethings are presumable.
Other things, I think that requires a clearer understanding about 32bits vs 64bits (which I dont have)... For example, I use Onenote and Evernote a LOT daily. Dont know if it will be smooth on both cellphones while I use heavy notebooks with many data on these apps.
Technically, I dont know if a 64bits processor will make such difference in that case, or if it just about a well fitted Android - which Im not sure, because it implicates in RAM usage and data processing (maybe the difference between SD808 and SD805 is so slight that even in that case, as you said, they will perform similarly).
Objectively, Im more concerned on SOT + big screen + smoothness using apps with many graphics and texts.