As everyone may know by now, T-Mobile plans to provide wifi calling to the Nexus 6 in early 2015.
http://newsroom.t-mobile.com/news/t...-to-its-data-strong-network-this-november.htm
My question is if this will only come to T-Mobile purchased Nexus 6 devices or will it be a global update pushed out by Google to allow wifi calling on carriers that provide this service. I would love to go with T-Mobile, but my home does not offer great service on their network. When wifi calling becomes available I'll jump on their network but until then I'll need to stick with either Verizon or AT&T. With that said, could I purchase the phone unlocked through Google Play or through Motorola (financing at 0%) and still use the phone with T-Mobile wifi calling once available?
Thoughts? Any input is appreciated.
There's one variant for the US so yes, you can.
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There's one variant for the US so yes, you can.
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Agreed. I know there's only one model for the US. I'm just not sure how this would work. I guess I don't know enough about wifi calling and the update that needs to be pushed for it to work. I know the only current phones that work with T-Mobile wifi calling are T-Mobile phones. I think I read somewhere it's baked into the kernal, but really not sure.
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Agreed. I know there's only one model for the US. I'm just not sure how this would work. I guess I don't know enough about wifi calling and the update that needs to be pushed for it to work. I know the only current phones that work with T-Mobile wifi calling are T-Mobile phones. I think I read somewhere it's baked into the kernal, but really not sure.
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I mean it's hard to say for certain until the update is pushed, but odds are what will happen is the update will be pushed to everyone with it restricted to working with t-mobile in the update, since the update is going to be from T-Mobile working with Google. I suppose there's hope that it'll support any carrier that will allow it but I wouldn't hold my breath for that.
Im assuming it will be the same hardware but with different device IDs for each carrier. This way OTAs will be more easily targeted.
It will be pushed to everyone. The same as a Verizon iPhone will work with t mobile Wi-Fi calling.
I was messing around with an unlocked At&t iPhone 5s I had gotten from my daughter which was supposed to have wifi calling pushed to it with ios 8 on T-mobile. Sorry to say it never happened. I am going to wait on the T-mobile sold phone just to be safe.
I don't see them pushing an update to all the phones for WiFi calling.
The way their current WiFi calling works is with a modified kernel. This means that only T-Mobile branded phones that get their updates from T-Mobile will be able to do WiFi calling. However, if they come up with a way for the Nexus 6 to support WiFi calling, i'm guessing it's going to be another app you'll have to install so that it can forward calls to your dialer. I do NOT think that they will push an update out to all Nexus phones to get this to work on ONE carrier. Since the Nexus 4, ALL of the nexus phones are the same across all carriers. At least in the US, if you buy the Nexus 5 from T-Mobile, you got the same Nexus 5 that you'd get from the Google Play Store. It also seems that they're the same phone for overseas too. The reason i say that is because if you look at the Galaxy Nexus (it had multiple versions; including international versions), it had multiple versions of the software, as you can see here: https://developers.google.com/android/nexus/images#takju. Takju and Yakju are both the Galaxy Nexus with different software. They haven't done that since.
I think this will be an app you can install on your phone to make it work with WiFi calling. Maybe Google will be pushing out an update to change the kernel to allow this... maybe... but the carriers will still need to build an app and push the users to download it. The carriers have not been allowed to change the software since the Nexus 4.
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I don't see them pushing an update to all the phones for WiFi calling.
The way their current WiFi calling works is with a modified kernel. This means that only T-Mobile branded phones that get their updates from T-Mobile will be able to do WiFi calling. However, if they come up with a way for the Nexus 6 to support WiFi calling, i'm guessing it's going to be another app you'll have to install so that it can forward calls to your dialer. I do NOT think that they will push an update out to all Nexus phones to get this to work on ONE carrier. Since the Nexus 4, ALL of the nexus phones are the same across all carriers. At least in the US, if you buy the Nexus 5 from T-Mobile, you got the same Nexus 5 that you'd get from the Google Play Store. It also seems that they're the same phone for overseas too. The reason i say that is because if you look at the Galaxy Nexus (it had multiple versions; including international versions), it had multiple versions of the software, as you can see here: https://developers.google.com/android/nexus/images#takju. Takju and Yakju are both the Galaxy Nexus with different software. They haven't done that since.
I think this will be an app you can install on your phone to make it work with WiFi calling. Maybe Google will be pushing out an update to change the kernel to allow this... maybe... but the carriers will still need to build an app and push the users to download it. The carriers have not been allowed to change the software since the Nexus 4.
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All nexus 5 phones got the update for sprint spark.
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The LG G2 is basically a better Nexus 5. I've been looking at the Nexus 6 (and G3) and honestly the G2 is still pretty fast and does everything I need, plus it has unlocked bootloader exploit which is a huge plus.
The only question is, will we get a stable L rom? Will Verizon give us an update, and how long will it take CM/AOSP?
If Verizon actually gets the Nexus 6, I would seriously consider getting it. I still love my g2 though.
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Nope, not happening... 5.9" display is just too big. The G2 with a 5.2" is at about the max I can handle with one hand, and I use my phone almost exclusively one-handed. I actually passed on a OnePlus One because of size, going to the N6 is just too big.
I am hoping the playstore version has VOLTE support so we can avoid the Verizon branded Nexus. As long as the device supports VOLTE we can use it on the VZW network, thanks to the 700mhz specturm that VZW uses for its LTE. I'm sure Verizon will try to find some BS loophole to try to exploit to maintain their control. Back on topic... I definitely get the Nexus 6 as I am Nexus fanboy!
Moto is and has been known for their crappy cameras. Even the new Moto X is crappy especially considering that it is a late 2014 device. The Nexus line is and always has been known for using crappy cameras, even the Nexus 5 took a step back from the G2. Put the two together and I wont touch the Nexus 6.
I am considering going to the n5 to be honest the price will go down and if they release a 6 in phone I feel they will keep the n5 around for a bit.
Finally ready to ditch Verizon and move on to a company that will let me text and call from my house. I was thinking the droid turbo because moto apparently has the best radios but idk
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I am considering going to the n5 to be honest the price will go down and if they release a 6 in phone I feel they will keep the n5 around for a bit.
Finally ready to ditch Verizon and move on to a company that will let me text and call from my house. I was thinking the droid turbo because moto apparently has the best radios but idk
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Google has already stopped making the N5 I believe.
I am also considering the Droid Turbo, it has a huge battery + Moto radios, but they have locked bootloaders.
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I am hoping the playstore version has VOLTE support so we can avoid the Verizon branded Nexus. As long as the device supports VOLTE we can use it on the VZW network, thanks to the 700mhz specturm that VZW uses for its LTE. I'm sure Verizon will try to find some BS loophole to try to exploit to maintain their control. Back on topic... I definitely get the Nexus 6 as I am Nexus fanboy!
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I think they are locking it down via your account. Although I guess anyone could turn it on. For the LG G2 you needed an update and you had to go into your account to turn it on. Doesn't makes sense why you would have to do that, I think its just one more point of control maybe to exclude devices. Maybe that is the loophole in the 700 Mhz block rules.
Maybe they are requiring some kind of special software that the device manufacturer or google will have to implement to get it to work? I think they are going to do anything they can to exclude devices they don't approve.
I'm on Verizon now with a HTC one m7. I'm not upgrading but I will be buying a nexus 6 and switching from Verizon.
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Google has already stopped making the N5 I believe.
I am also considering the Droid Turbo, it has a huge battery + Moto radios, but they have locked bootloaders.
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I have had a few droid phones in the past and they apparently had locked bootloaders but devs usually find a way around it.
If Verizon gets the Nexus 6, it's very likely that it will be my next phone. I have a Nexus 7 (2013) and love it. I think with a Nexus 6, we could possibly get Multi-ROM, which would be amazing. I'd love the ability to test drive new ROMs without going through the whole backup/restore process. I think the only things I might miss would be knock-on (easily fixed with a custom kernel, of course) and the IR blaster. I actually do use it.
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I love the IR blaster and KnockOn. I'm not sure if the Nexus 6 will support the CDMA bands and such. Being limited to just VOLTE 700mhz is sucky. What about 3G and such?
5.9" is too big. I passed on the Note 3 for the G2 because I travel often for work and require being able to comfortably dial/text/email/facebook using one hand while I drive/eat/fiddle with the radio (lol).
I really love my G2 but I fear that all future next gen devices will be ~6.0"
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I love the IR blaster and KnockOn. I'm not sure if the Nexus 6 will support the CDMA bands and such. Being limited to just VOLTE 700mhz is sucky. What about 3G and such?
5.9" is too big. I passed on the Note 3 for the G2 because I travel often for work and require being able to comfortably dial/text/email/facebook using one hand while I drive/eat/fiddle with the radio (lol).
I really love my G2 but I fear that all future next gen devices will be ~6.0"
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I'm pretty sure the play edition N6 won't support CDMA unless Google has changed its stance on the matter. Either we will have Verizon release another "Nexus" device for us that officially will always be behind. Or we will just have to stick with the play edition N6 and anyone that doesn't have LTE in their area is SOL. But as of now Verizon's LTE footprint is supposidly just as large as the 3G/1x footprint so I would imagine there wouldn't be too many issues.
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I think they are locking it down via your account. Although I guess anyone could turn it on. For the LG G2 you needed an update and you had to go into your account to turn it on. Doesn't makes sense why you would have to do that, I think its just one more point of control maybe to exclude devices. Maybe that is the loophole in the 700 Mhz block rules.
Maybe they are requiring some kind of special software that the device manufacturer or google will have to implement to get it to work? I think they are going to do anything they can to exclude devices they don't approve.
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Once you active voice over LTE via the website that is all you have to do. Stock LG roms have the ability to switch voice over LTE on, not too sure if any CM/AOSP based have the ability to do so yet. You don't need the crappy Verizon software the advanced calling 1.0 or whatever to use voice over LTE. I'm pretty sure either it will be enabled by default in future devices as VOLTE becomes more popular.
I just hope it works with lte from metro pcs or other mvno carriers. I'm actually leaving Verizon for this phone.
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Once you active voice over LTE via the website that is all you have to do. Stock LG roms have the ability to switch voice over LTE on, not too sure if any CM/AOSP based have the ability to do so yet. You don't need the crappy Verizon software the advanced calling 1.0 or whatever to use voice over LTE. I'm pretty sure either it will be enabled by default in future devices as VOLTE becomes more popular.
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Cool, which ones? I has on a LG G3 ROM on my G2 but went back to a Verizon Stock -based one to get VoLTE. I would love to go back to the G3 ROM if I was still able to have VoLTE.
I'm not sure if G3 ROMs have it or not. I know xdabbeb's ROM has it and the stock Verizon 25B and 26A have it.
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I'm not sure if G3 ROMs have it or not. I know xdabbeb's ROM has it and the stock Verizon 25B and 26A have it.
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Yes those are Verizon stock ROMs. Not just a LG G2 stock ROM. Verizon had to push a software update to enable VoLTE. They controlled the feature.
I'm pretty sure any ROM can eventually have the option to enable VoLTE. Once activated on the site we very well could be accessing VoLTE without being on Verizon software. I haven't seen much clarification on this, eventually someone will chime in.
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I'm pretty sure any ROM can eventually have the option to enable VoLTE. Once activated on the site we very well could be accessing VoLTE without being on Verizon software. I haven't seen much clarification on this, eventually someone will chime in.
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All I was saying is that right now Verizon holds the keys to the VoLTE kingdom as I see it. They require a change on your account, which I assume shows up no matter what. But the key is the software update that is coming from Verizon. It remains to be seen if manufacturer updates or Nexus Google updates will be able to have the same update, or if there was something unique to Verizon in that update. I wouldn't put it past Verizon to have something special in the update even if it goes against the FCC rules for the LTE spectrum. I would bet that Verizon is going to have to be told they have to allow any LTE device on the network. Look at the Nexus 7 issue, IIRC, if you already had a Sim you could pop it in, but they lagged on getting it "in their system" for it to be put on LTE with a new Sim. Its something that shouldn't even have to be "in a system". You should be able to get a data LTE sim for whatever you want.
I get what you're saying and I agree that Verizon will try to pull some BS. We could very well be using the feature on AOSP/ non vzw ROMs without knowing (doubtful) as long as we enabled the provisioning online. Let's just hope that Verizon doesn't try to pull some stupid bs loophole and let us use any unlocked LTE device that supports the band.
Couldn't find it anywhere on the specs. Nexus 6 will not do VoLTE? That would be a disappointment
A T-Mobile rep tweeted that VoLTE and WiFi calling will be added in a future OTA update.
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A T-Mobile rep tweeted that VoLTE and WiFi calling will be added in a future OTA update.
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But it's not clear from that whether individual carrier versions will be updated separately -- potentially stranding unlocked phones *not* purchased from a carrier -- or whether there will be a general update of *all* nexus 6s that will support VoLTE on any carrier.
In theory, a handset that supports the standards should work on any VoLTE network -- the channels, codecs, etc. are all negotiated between the handset and the network. But we don't know what proprietary hacks the carriers may be throwing into the mix, or the extent to which they'll enable/disable it for individual accounts based on what they believe the capabilities of your phone are.
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But it's not clear from that whether individual carrier versions will be updated separately -- potentially stranding unlocked phones *not* purchased from a carrier -- or whether there will be a general update of *all* nexus 6s that will support VoLTE on any carrier.
In theory, a handset that supports the standards should work on any VoLTE network -- the channels, codecs, etc. are all negotiated between the handset and the network. But we don't know what proprietary hacks the carriers may be throwing into the mix, or the extent to which they'll enable/disable it for individual accounts based on what they believe the capabilities of your phone are.
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does it really matter who gets it 1st when the devs will get it on all phones.
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does it really matter who gets it 1st when the devs will get it on all phones.
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I don't care who gets it first, I just want to get it, in some reasonable timeframe relative to the carrier versions, without having to root or run a custom ROM. I buy unlocked phones to avoid carrier bloatware, and so I can use the phone where I want to without having to ask my carrier for permission to unlock. If I can walk into an Apple store and buy an unlocked iPhone 6 that will support VoLTE on AT&T or Verizon or T-Mobile, why can't I buy an unlocked Nexus 6 from Google or Motorola that will do the same thing?
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I don't care who gets it first, I just want to get it, in some reasonable timeframe relative to the carrier versions, without having to root or run a custom ROM. I buy unlocked phones to avoid carrier bloatware, and so I can use the phone where I want to without having to ask my carrier for permission to unlock. If I can walk into an Apple store and buy an unlocked iPhone 6 that will support VoLTE on AT&T or Verizon or T-Mobile, why can't I buy an unlocked Nexus 6 from Google or Motorola that will do the same thing?
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Oh I get what you are saying but I wonder if it will be like T-Mobile Wifi calling where some things may only work with one carrier and not others. We will have to wait and see.
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Oh I get what you are saying but I wonder if it will be like T-Mobile Wifi calling where some things may only work with one carrier and not others. We will have to wait and see.
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From what I heard from a few inside sources the "OTA" will allow these capabilities across the board for all Nexus devices. That said for specific carrier systems such as "T-Mobile's Wi-Fi Calling" will either be given a choice to download a patch for it from T-Mobile's site to enable it or somehow have the OTA easily identify what network it is on and automatically use it (something in the SIM CARD design).
T-Mobile just has been very vocal on their end about it since they have had the longest partnership with Android and with Nexus especially. They are literally brimming with excitement over getting their specific services to work fluently with the N6 this time around.
As for my sources, I used to work for T-Mobile back in the day. I ended up making a few friends with device suppliers and "Network Enhancement Engineers".
I have seen confirmation that we will get an update to allow wifi calling but i HAVE NOT seen any posts from t-mobile confirming that the nexus 6 will get an OTA to allow VoLTE.... can anyone share a link to tmob confirming VoLTE?
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I have seen confirmation that we will get an update to allow wifi calling but i HAVE NOT seen any posts from t-mobile confirming that the nexus 6 will get an OTA to allow VoLTE.... can anyone share a link to tmob confirming VoLTE?
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Here you go
They said the nexus 6 is going yo get WiFi calling in early 2015. Will the moto x get it ? I mean you its running the same 5.0 its only makes sense that it would.
I think that not only will you need 5.0, T-Mobile will need to send out an update. From what I read, T-Mobile will be sending an update out in 2015 for the N6. My guess is Google actually will, but with T-Mobile's Wi-Fi calling framework inside. So, that would lead me to believe that T-Mobile will have to want it added to the moto X in order for it to work.
So most likely it won't happen ...
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I think that not only will you need 5.0, T-Mobile will need to send out an update. From what I read, T-Mobile will be sending an update out in 2015 for the N6. My guess is Google actually will, but with T-Mobile's Wi-Fi calling framework inside. So, that would lead me to believe that T-Mobile will have to want it added to the moto X in order for it to work.
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Idk how T-Mobile is going to do so, when there is only one SKU for the American n6. Also, Google doesn't want tainted software so I don't think carriers are allowed to mess with the system files Google provides. If T-Mobile can, then that means carriers are in control of ota updates then?
I'm thinking if it does come to the n6, I'm sure we can hack that and make it work on the Moto X since both are very similar in software
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Idk how T-Mobile is going to do so, when there is only one SKU for the American n6. Also, Google doesn't want tainted software so I don't think carriers are allowed to mess with the system files Google provides. If T-Mobile can, then that means carriers are in control of ota updates then?
I'm thinking if it does come to the n6, I'm sure we can hack that and make it work on the Moto X since both are very similar in software
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I sure hope you're right. I was only relaying what T-Mobile said, by pushing out an update. I'd hate for the N6 or our phone turn into the Verizon galaxy nexus.
Any updates on this? Are people with the 2014 Moto X able to use T-Mobile's wifi calling?
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Any updates on this? Are people with the 2014 Moto X able to use T-Mobile's wifi calling?
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No, no Wi-Fi calling.
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No, no Wi-Fi calling.
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Huh, even with Lollipop? I thought Lollipop was supposed to have native wifi calling built into it, that would work with T-Mobile's wifi calling.
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Huh, even with Lollipop? I thought Lollipop was supposed to have native wifi calling built into it, that would work with T-Mobile's wifi calling.
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It is, or at least a future version will. But.... I'm sure T-Mobile will either need to release an app or give Google the code to add it in and who knows if moto will implement that code, if that's the route T-mo/Google goes.
I guess it could be like an APN where we'd need to enter the correct settings, but I just can't see that as it would be too easy for the masses (not like us here who at least know a little bit) to screw it up.
My honest guess, we'll never see it as T-Mobile doesn't sell this phone in stores or online like they do the Nexus 6. That shouldn't matter, but I can see it being an issue of knowledge base and support (even though the damn thing comes with a T-Mobile Sim). I hope I'm wrong as I'd really like to get WiFi calling back, but in not holding my breath.
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It is, or at least a future version will. But.... I'm sure T-Mobile will either need to release an app or give Google the code to add it in and who knows if moto will implement that code, if that's the route T-mo/Google goes.
I guess it could be like an APN where we'd need to enter the correct settings, but I just can't see that as it would be too easy for the masses (not like us here who at least know a little bit) to screw it up.
My honest guess, we'll never see it as T-Mobile doesn't sell this phone in stores or online like they do the Nexus 6. That shouldn't matter, but I can see it being an issue of knowledge base and support (even though the damn thing comes with a T-Mobile Sim). I hope I'm wrong as I'd really like to get WiFi calling back, but in not holding my breath.
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Yeah, I really don't want another phone without wifi calling. But I'm hesitating to get the Nexus 6, because of the size. And of course, T-Mobile still have yet to make good on the promise that wifi calling will be enabled on the Nexus 6.
It just doesn't seem like this should be such a big deal. Apple did it on the iPhones and you don't have to buy the iPhone directly from T-Mobile. And T-Mobile has an interest in getting people onto wifi and off of their cellular network, whenever possible.
I am in trouble. What am I supposed to do. I want to wait for the GPS Nexus 6 since it can connect to any network but I am a Tmobile customer that needs the wifi calling feature.
I get very limited reception at home and at work. Does anyone know if the GPS nexus 6 will support Tmobile's wifi calling feature?
This might be a deal breaking and I have no choice but to get the Tmobile Nexus 6. Please help!!!
you should direct your question to @askdes on twitter. he should know what's up.
I'm pretty sure it's been said several times that this phone will support Wi-fi calling with T-Mobile, but not until after the phone has received an OTA update early next year.
I think you mean GPE.
And we don't know yet. Theoretically, since there isn't a difference between the versions, WiFi Calling should be able to be ported to the other carrier's (or GPE) Nexus 6.
Until the software update drops, you can use Google hangouts to make and receive calls over Wi-Fi.
T-Mobile's press release...
Plus, this hot new smartphone is expected to support Wi-Fi Un-leashed beginning in early 2015 with an over-the-air update– making it the first-ever Nexus device that will support Wi-Fi Calling thanks to enhancements in Android 5.0.
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Wifi calling is not T-Mobile specific.
Apple has it built into iOS8 and it is very easy to use and works flawless. Android 5.0 will include WiFi Calling built in for all devices, the N6 on T-Mobile will just benefit from it in the US. Sprint should also make use of it eventually.
htc one nax has wifi calling. lovely app. i retired my sprint airvana as its no longer needed
Knowing that the nexus 6 include the xlte bands required on Verizon, I assume xlte works on the phone of of the box?
Also, does anyone have information about possibly baking in volte into this phone from looking at other Verizon variants that have volte?
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First one is sort of, need trimmed sim or nano, but it is hard to get the nano activated. I don't really consider this working out of the box
Second one, that is Verizon. We've heard different dates and had photos leaked. It will most likely come, but volte is something on Verizons side, not ours. So you can't do anything about that unless they end up supporting it.
Is the volte options Sim based or ROM/kernel based or both? Anyone know that?
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It is network based option. I'm judging based on what I've seen on my iPhone 6 Plus. The second verizon sent out an email stating they've enabled volte here, I had a new option upon network settings reset.
I have a nexus 6 on the business line and I've been very tempted to use that as a main device. Unfortunately, experience with it on verizon isn't as good as the iPhone. Voice + Data is a big one to me, it also doesn't seem to keep LTE as well in poor coverage areas. Also, verizon is odd... I either have 2 bars or 4 bars of LTE most places. With 2 bars I'm upwards of 60mbps and about 10 with 4. That switching happens most places I'm at. I'm guessing it is due to the bands that they use. On the nexus, anytime this switching happens I have just grey bars and service can be wonky.
Has anyone looked at there options on the Verizon website? I was able to add Advanced Calling 1.0 but I can't figure out how to turn it on on the phone. I rebooted but there are no options for it. I am stock rooted 5.0.1
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Has anyone looked at there options on the Verizon website? I was able to add Advanced Calling 1.0 but I can't figure out how to turn it on on the phone. I rebooted but there are no options for it. I am stock rooted 5.0.1
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It will be under mobile networks where you choose global...lte and so on. Only available on a few phones right now. I would suspect the VZ nexus will have it. We will need a mod for our unbranded ones.
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It will be under mobile networks where you choose global...lte and so on. Only available on a few phones right now. I would suspect the VZ nexus will have it. We will need a mod for our unbranded ones.
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I kind of guessed but wanted to make sure, unfortunately it is no there yet.
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Has anyone looked at there options on the Verizon website? I was able to add Advanced Calling 1.0 but I can't figure out how to turn it on on the phone. I rebooted but there are no options for it. I am stock rooted 5.0.1
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Where did you find that menu? I logged into my account online and can't find any reference to advanced calling.
For me it is listed as HD Voice on Verizon's Site. To verify on the site I go to Add Change Features --> Manage Your Products --> It should be listed there.
Though as of right now Verizon has not enabled it on their end for this phone. http://www.verizonwireless.com/landingpages/advanced-calling-devices/