Hi folks, this may be OT a bit, so Moderators please move this thread if needed.
I found this video of a $35 computer which turns out to have the Android OS. India is marketing this as a new mass-market solution to bring computer access to the less fortunate.
http://cnn.com/video/?/video/tech/2010/07/23/pkg.35.dollar.computer.cnnibn
Has anyone else seen or hear of this device? What's it called? It looks like a 6-7-inch tablet to me.. and running on Android OS!
Too cheap , i afraid it can not guarantee the quality, and speed.
bigbigtooth said:
Too cheap , i afraid it can not guarantee the quality, and speed.
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i guess it's because the device was meant as a mass market device for education purposes...and to be released by the government.
....don't really care about any guarantees....for $35, I'll take 2
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....don't really care about any guarantees....for $35, I'll take 2
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Same here
I'm not sure though that it will be available outside of India and if it will i don't think it will cost 35$
If you watched the video, they said the device costed 1500 (whatever currency they use) to make, but they are selling it for 500 (or $35), so you can best bet that the parts cost more than $35. Probably somewhere around $100 or so, which would put the cost of making it somewhere around that of say, an HTC Hero (seeing as the Nexus One costed around $175 in parts). Going off on a limb here, but it probably has a 528-600MHz processor and 256mb of RAM.
Still though, its good to see a government apt on helping its people learn--especially if it does so with an Android powered device. I'm glad they took that initiative.
I bought my Nook Color in the asumption, that I would get a fair share of ebooks for free. Till now i've also found nearly every book I wanted.
But this particular one book, I couldnt find anywhere.
So I looked at B&N, there I could get it for 10 Bucks, this simply was a little bit to much for a under 200 page book, so i started looking to find it somewhere else cheaper. Because I actually only know the kindlestore I looked there.
http://img254.imageshack.us/img254/1855/****mydadsyas.png
This picture simply makes me sad, I dont find it funny and I also cant understand why ebooks are so expensive, to even being more expensive than the hardcover.
I cant understand this, because through this price policy the whole ebook market gets destroyed.
I actually dont want to start a big discussion.
i would just be interested if anyone knows a cheaper & good ebookshop
Amazon has it as a kindle book for 9.99
I might add that like B+N, the physical book price is less than the e-book which makes no sense at all.
The problem stems from the copy houses still demanding to get paid despite nothing getting printed. It's like the companies that press CD's demanding to get paid for MP3 downloads. But somehow the emarket was hosed when this became the norm. Kobo used to be a great place to get a good deal but those days are gone.
I simply put my ebooks in my b&n wish list and watch the prices. When they get reasonable, I'll buy them. It's not a perfect solution and it's absolutely stupid when a physical ANYTHING is cheaper than the digital version.
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It's not a perfect solution and it's absolutely stupid when a physical ANYTHING is more expensive than the digital version.
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Don't you mean the other way around?
Anyway, yes they are too expensive. I would like to get my son a few of the read to me books, but at $10 a pop, I would much rather buy him the actual book.
Here are some places I look when I price out ebooks:
leatherbound.me <== searches multiple sites at once but they don't have support for many stores yet
books.google.com/ebooks
fictionwise.com
Barnes and Noble
Amazon
Borders
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Anyway, yes they are too expensive. I would like to get my son a few of the read to me books, but at $10 a pop, I would much rather buy him the actual book.
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Actually, the read-to-me books are the one example I can think of where there is added value in the electronic version which would justify a higher price. I've certainly already bought books electronically at higher-than-paper price, just because of the portability aspect and because I enjoy having content delivered to my lazy buttocks instantly.
The pricing does suck, though. Paying $1 for an iPod game that lasts me hours vs. $10 for a license to download a book is rather disparate. App stores have established a very low threshold for what people find acceptable for prices of downloaded content, but unless publishers fall in line (or, preferably, die), prices will continue to not make sense.
Personally, I think its a little crazy that books have joined music and movies as a good that people now find to be overpriced due to inflated prices from anachronistic and irrelevant previous distribution structures. Ohwellz.
I want to get the best deal on one of these, is Craigslist the place?
Or should I buy new for $250? or are there some going for 200 new?
Retail, you'll find them new for $250. (I haven't seen them go on sale)
There was a deal on B&N's eBay store (that only applied to ebay purchase) for $50 off... making it $200. But that deal has since expired.
After that there is the Craig's List or ebay route to take your chances and buy a used one.
Although I'm sure most people will not have problems, I wouldn't buy a nook over ebay or craigslist and I'd spend the extra $50 for new. That way you have full warranty for one.
That's true. I'm trying to convince my mom to get one but she keeps saying that there will be much better technology in a couple of months...
Never live in the past but always learn from it.
There will be... for 600-800 bucks.
Though the new resistive Coby model looks very interesting for $170.
Tennis11 said:
That's true. I'm trying to convince my mom to get one but she keeps saying that there will be much better technology in a couple of months...
Never live in the past but always learn from it.
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yeah, but that's like saying you should get a galaxy tab or Xoom over a Nook. For the price there is nothing like it. Sure in a year from now we might see more, but in two years from now, we'll see something twice as good as that, so it's all on when you want to get into the game. I personally bought the nook with the thought that a year or year and a half from now I'm going to upgrade and spend the good money on a good one (if I still want it)
There is always something better coming out tomorrow. You just have to figure out what it is that you want in a tablet. I for one wanted a tablet to mess around with a decent price point that has android on it and i can download some apps and have somehing to easily browse the web. I originally bought a archos 101 which is a very cool product but after a couple of weeks I realized i couldn't stand the viewing angles of it, i mean i could barely stand to look at it in landscape mode and it was unbeariable in portrait mode as it just messe with my eyes. So i got the nook color and the screen is fantastic. I've rooted it and installed my favorite launcher and some simple apps that i enjoy using. Plus the great thing bout the nook color is a lot of people are hacking it and developing roms for it and someday hopefully we will have a nice version of honeycomb to play around with.
This may or may not be of help to the OP, but, there is a $15.00 Gift Card offer available for Referral.
With the Groupon B&N GC, I made a small purchase and along with it a free trial of B&N Membership; also I registered my NOOK COLOR bought from B&N Ebay offer. Not sure, which one triggered it, but I received Email from B&N with the above offer.
So, you may want to check with your friends near you.
Regarding purchase for your Mom: her age, eyesight and nimbleness of her fingers, would be a major consideration to make sure a 7" tablet will suffice. Notwithstanding, these factors for older people, I feel this is the best bargain in its price range.
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There will be... for 600-800 bucks.
Though the new resistive Coby model looks very interesting for $170.
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Do not buy it.
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honestly I wouldnt buy it used.. I was considering buying one on craigslist and decided to go to the store... this is why i wouldnt buy it used..
My first nook.. returned it in less than an hour because it had rippling of the LCD beneath the digitzer.
My second nook, returned and exchanged it 6 days later because the bezel was creaky, volume button would stick on the + and it had horrible light leaking on the bottom right (Almost like a big yellow arc you could see at night no matter what brightness setting it was set to).
Now i am on my third nook color.. This one has dust underneath the digitizer between the LCD, creaks alot too..
Based on my experience i would highly recommend spending the extra bit of money just for the 14 day return\exchange policy coverage.. the quality control on these devices sucks.
I have no troubles, but highly recommend getting one new, just for the peace of mind of replacement if there is a hardware problem.
I think I'll pull the trigger once (hopefully) the B&N-Ebay discount happens again....I was on the fence last time last time it had a $50 discount.....
Mine is just perfect out of the box, not any single problem, love it so much.
Would anyone be able to recommend a reseller that ships to the UK? Or one that's based here preferably.
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E Bay NC
Got a $200 one on E Bay from B&N New, tried booting Froyo from SD. For some reason the MicroSD went in between the back cover and Chassis. Since I had to take it apart to extract the card, and probably voided the warantee
I decided to go the auto-nooter route and use the sd for storage. Thr back does seem a little creaky now, but everything works fine. Hate those micro sd's, already lost one, and broke another.
Jim
xdabr said:
There will be... for 600-800 bucks.
Though the new resistive Coby model looks very interesting for $170.
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I have a current model Coby, with the resistive screen. I don't like it. I'm use to the touch screen on my OG Droid. Also have a NC and I think it is a good tablet for the price. I couldn't see paying $600 for a tablet, especially if I bricked it from messing around with it.
it is true, the dev community for the NC is so much larger than the Coby community.
Just my 2¢
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Thanks; the new Coby (shipping from Amazon soon) adds multitouch and a front camera, so it mimics the iPad2 to a tiny degree. Unfortunately I still don't know any retailers that carry it locally so I could see just how bad the touchscreen is. (I've used Windows Mobile resistive screens, and I think they're fine!)
I was reading a post in the general section of xda, about the best 5 phones, it referenced an article, and I saw an article about the amazon app, and will it succeed..(I must have ADD)
http://www.phonearena.com/news/Will...the-Amazon-tablet-before-its-launched_id20870 Will-developer-anger-at-the-Amazon-Appstore-kill-the-Amazon-tablet-before-its-launched
I wasn't really liking how amazon seems to be doing things, but look at this snippet specifically and tell me what you think..
"My feeling is that the Amazon tablet will be an extension of the Kindle. At heart, it will be an e-reader, but an e-reader with benefits. Amazon has learned from the Nook Color. Consumers want a full screen e-reader with apps and extra features, but Amazon doesn't want to foster the rooting community that has sprung up around the Nook Color. Amazon, like Apple, wants to control the experience, and this means giving consumers what they want, but it also means likely alienating the more tech savvy crowd. However, given that the Amazon tablet will be based on Android 2.x, the tech savvy crowd was already most likely alienated."
Why WOULDN'T they want a community of people spreading the word about how awesome the device is? Look at the kindle.. an overpriced device made of cheap parts, something that could have done more(mind you I own one).. but it was pretty good at the limited things it did.
Why upgrade to something that can REALLY do something?
Anyways, here is my comment/rant I am posting, but I am curious what the community they are talking about thinks. Would you buy their device if they purposely don't want us SPECIFICALLY to be able to enjoy it for what it COULD do?
My comment:
This one phrase does it for me, "Amazon, like Apple, wants to control the experience, and this means giving consumers what they want, but it also means likely alienating the more tech savvy crowd."
I am one of those people that bought a nook color, and has it doing every awesome thing that it has the hardware to do, and doing more than you'd ever think you could have it do.
That said: The problem with apple and anyone who uses them as a model.. they want to control what the device can do, so they can sell you another device in the near future. Sure, you had to jailbreak the iphone, but the original phone that couldn't record video COULD in fact record video. The iphone 3g COULD record video, but the 3gs can record hi-def, the only qualifying selling point(besides harddrive) of the device. Oh wait, a jailbroken 3g can record in the SAME QUALITY. At my old job working at a university I had to jailbreak iPads to do video out because the apple representatives said it couldn't.. they were surprised when I showed them what it can do in the classroom as soon as I got around their limitations. I am quite sure the iPhone 4 and the iPad 2 are capable of many things they DON'T do, but CAN do.. and that they will sell you a new device soon that will.(Lets fill more landfills for no reason) Hell, I had ios4.1 on an original iphone, something they said the iphone 3g couldn't do.(Now I am ranting I think)
Each release of newer device from apple was NOT an improvement in a big way, but a controlled release of a single or few features they wanted you to be able to do. Intentional limitations purely in software. It is one of the BIG reasons why I stopped buying iPhones.. to make it do everything it COULD do, I had to defy what the manufacturer didn't want it to be able to do.
If amazon does this, I don't see this as being a success.. it is the same idea as someone micromanaging. Sure, it CAN be comforting to have someone come in and tell you every little detail of what to do so you don't have to think -- unless you don't have a problem with THINKING.(This is the concept that I think constantly spawns a sheep argument)
Android, simply put, is open source. Even if a manufacturer doesn't want the phones software altered, the NATURE of the software is that it CAN be altered. You can buy an android phone/tablet, and KNOW that if the hardware can do it, and there is a community around the device, the software will allow it. This is how I stream movies, play games(meant for the tegra only devices), have a newer operating system than most android phones, and so much more.. all for 250 dollars. I didn't want a camera on a tablet. I don't want another data plan. Just something a little more comfortable.
Anyways, successful devices are the ones that can accomodate the less tech savvy in ease of use, WITHOUT stepping on the toes of those who know how to make it do more. Why should they? The new samsung galaxy s 2 has no bootloader, a great thing for those of us who want to push the limits of the beautiful hardware rather than have a device that just sounds better.. and a device like that will be embraced by any who want it because no one is trying to keep them away-- and why would they anyways?(Sheep again)
I really don't know how this could be said unless they really think all customers truly are sheep:"Amazon, like Apple, wants to control the experience, and this means giving consumers what they want.." If amazon is trying to become apple part 2, I really am done with them.
My first reaction to your post was confusion. You really buried the lead there
*IF* I read you correctly (and the article), you are asking why Amazon would want to make it impossible (or at least very difficult) for developers and enthusiasts to extend the capabilities of the mythical Amazon Tablet.
The article refers to lessons learned from the Nook Color, but I'm not sure Amazon has learned the same thing from the NC that modding enthusiasts have. We appreciate how fundamentally powerful and inexpensive the NC is. Amazon (as well as Barnes & Noble) see a high end ereader as expanding the reach of their core business... selling books.
I think the fallacy of the article cited is that they think Amazon is trying to emulate Apple. I don't think they are. They are trying to emulate Gillette and Schick. Sell the razor cheap and then make your money on the blades. Or the updated model of printers and ink. Same thing.
It is in Amazon's best interest to limit the scope of activities and applications on their tablet for a couple of reasons. They don't want the Nook app running on their tablet and they don't want to have to support a whole gamut of problems that will come with pushing the hardware to its limit.
They do on the other hand want to give the majority of their customers what they want. The Ipad and the Honeycomb tablets hitting the market are setting the bar higher and higher, so they have to respond with enough features to stay competitive.
For a mass marketer (like Apple, B&N, and Amazon) that means being selective and slow. Being an early adopter can be painful.. both for users and vendors. They are just trying to maximize their profits and this is the best strategy for that.
Honestly, I don't see Amazon really locking it down that much unless they want to cover their rear end on trying to make it hard as can be getting their DRMed ebooks off the device.
BN makes money on each NC sold (AFAIK) so even if somebody (like me) buys one just to have a tablet, they still make money off of it. Whether somebody uses it as is or converts it to a CM7 tablet is really of no consequence to them. If anything, they are more than likely to buy into the BN ecosystem I think. You've already bought a tablet so why not buy their dedicated ereader if you find that reading on the NC is a little worse than you imagined.
I mean, I own both a Nook (1st ed.) and a NC. I appreciate their openness in regards to their products (not only being able to load CM7 but also their openness in respects to formats and everything else with their eink readers) and will continue to support them over Amazon or the like, even though I really like Amazon.
I think Amazon is trying to take a little from both Apple and B&N. B&N has looked the other way while the development community opened up and enhanced the Nook Color because I think they were simply interested getting something out there that would set them apart from the Kindle and sell books. Yes, they have an app store but I do not think that was a priority other than to say they have one. Amazon sells far more than books so they want to make money in the app store as well. On top of that, Apple pretty much kicked them out of the app store unless they paid the toll. Not having a tablet to make up for that sent them rushing to copy B&N. B&N got it right the first time and I don't think they are worried that people are going to root the device and start using the Kindle app. I have both but I have yet to buy a single Kindle book. Since they are both priced about the same, why would I need to? I just bought my wife a NC so now we will share books. And, she may be perfectly happy if I leave it stock.
One final comment: I have not now nor will I ever buy an Apple product primarily because I do not like being controlled and locked out of my own device.
You're ranting about Amazon this, Amazon that, but you're referring to an article which is about Amazon. It's not from Amazon.
So will Amazon try to limit the openness of its tablet? Maybe. Has Amazon said anything to this nature? Dunno, but it's not in this article. This is all third party speculation.
khaytsus said:
You're ranting about Amazon this, Amazon that, but you're referring to an article which is about Amazon. It's not from Amazon.
So will Amazon try to limit the openness of its tablet? Maybe. Has Amazon said anything to this nature? Dunno, but it's not in this article. This is all third party speculation.
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Actually, I was ranting about Apple.
khaytsus said:
You're ranting about Amazon this, Amazon that, but you're referring to an article which is about Amazon. It's not from Amazon.
So will Amazon try to limit the openness of its tablet? Maybe. Has Amazon said anything to this nature? Dunno, but it's not in this article. This is all third party speculation.
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Well, the article is about the Amazon appstore problems and only incidentally about the tablet. Any discussion of the tablet has to be speculation until the product actually is released.
The appstore seems to be actively hostile to developers and just there to get people onto the other Amazon pages.
There is speculation that it's there to support the tablet in a closed ecosystem, but I think it's just a side benefit (to Amazon).
I guess the real question isn't is this sensible business practice so much as would you support companies that literally go out of their way to make the things that we do like we have with our nook colors.. Some of that article isn't speculation, they have refused googles market application, and there are plenty of things that can be surmised from that that isn't speculation.
Companies used to be happy selling widgets, but now it has become popular for companies to sell widgets that COULD do more, but they limit what it can do so they can sell more widgets. It hurts progress of all kinds because it is the intentional slowing down of progress, just to profit more. If they want to sell you a new product, they should make a product that is ACTUALLY better than the previous ones.
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If they want to sell you a new product, they should make a product that is ACTUALLY better than the previous ones.
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The product Amazon would be selling with the tablet wouldn't be the tablet itself.
Why would Amazon want to make a generic do all tablet? How does that fit into their business model? How would they compete with the well established "generic" tablet makers?
Amazon is a web store, they want to get people into their store. Otherwise, Amazon would have no reason or no business making a tablet in the first place.
Barns and Noble didn't make the Nook because they wanted to make an Android tablet or because they wanted to make an e-reader, they made the Nook so people would buy books from them.
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The product Amazon would be selling with the tablet wouldn't be the tablet itself.
Why would Amazon want to make a generic do all tablet? How does that fit into their business model? How would they compete with the well established "generic" tablet makers?
Amazon is a web store, they want to get people into their store. Otherwise, Amazon would have no reason or no business making a tablet in the first place.
Barns and Noble didn't make the Nook because they wanted to make an Android tablet or because they wanted to make an e-reader, they made the Nook so people would buy books from them.
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Yea well, then they shouldn't have their webstore on those generic tablets, because why would someone buy their less-than-tablet if other tablets that probably don't cost much more can do it just as well, or better because there are so many apps those OTHER tablets can do.
I guess the way you put it, they should get out of the electronics business all together if they can't compete with what other devices do. Their best bet would be to put out a device that people want because it is BETTER than other devices, but make sure their software is on every device.. I mean I doubt it will come out at a semi-affordable price like the nook.
Any way I look at it, and everything I heard, I still think it is bad and sad ways of trying to make money.. because they are doing the minimum they can in every scenario to deserve money.
What companies like B&N and Amazon are trying to do is completely different than what companies like Motorola and Samsung are trying to do. They have completely different aims in their product goals. One side is trying to lock you in to their market and the other is trying to make a general purpose functional device.
Although I do have a feeling that I am wasting my time here...
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What companies like B&N and Amazon are trying to do is completely different than what companies like Motorola and Samsung are trying to do. They have completely different aims in their product goals. One side is trying to lock you in to their market and the other is trying to make a general purpose functional device.
Although I do have a feeling that I am wasting my time here...
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Unless you can explain what makes them think they can market devices like that AND be able to compete against devices that can do all of that and more.. that device would have to be incredibly cheap for someone to buy it, plain and simple. I will say, if the nook color could only read books, I would have regretted buying it, because for a little more I could have gotten a device that can do the same things and much more.
I don't see how they could compete against the competitors if they go about it that way, I don't think it is possible. "Their" market would have to have far far more to offer than all of the things already out. Our society is all about putting more functionality into one device, creating universal devices, not specialized ones.
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Unless you can explain what makes them think they can market devices like that AND be able to compete against devices that can do all of that and more.. that device would have to be incredibly cheap for someone to buy it, plain and simple. I will say, if the nook color could only read books, I would have regretted buying it, because for a little more I could have gotten a device that can do the same things and much more.
I don't see how they could compete against the competitors if they go about it that way, I don't think it is possible. "Their" market would have to have far far more to offer than all of the things already out. Our society is all about putting more functionality into one device, creating universal devices, not specialized ones.
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I think you are missing Joe's point. B&N already had a Nook reader, but it was barely holding it's own against the Kindle reader. B&N then decided to come out with a better, color reader that could handle magazines and other color periodicals, something that the Kindle cannot do. On top of that they added basic tablet features such as email and web browsing as well as an app market to further distinguish it from the Kindle. It was not intended to be an iPad killer. However, through the hard work of the development community it has morphed into just about a full blown tablet, minus the mic and camera. At the time a new Nook Color was $250 while an iPad was twice as much as were most other tablets. The Nook Color was created to sell more books, magazines, newspaper subscriptions and some apps directly from B&N. Thankfully, B&N looked the other way when people started to root them. I guess they realized that once they got the NC into our hands, we would still probably use the Android Nook app and continue to buy books from them anyway. Since books are generally the same price as as Kindle books, I have and will continue to buy mine from B&N. I even got my wife one in a one day sale last week for $180 so we can share the books. She may decide to leave it stock since ti meets her needs already.
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BN makes money on each NC sold (AFAIK) so even if somebody (like me) buys one just to have a tablet, they still make money off of it.
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Can you back that up with a source? I've been wondering about this for a long time, since I bought my NC only to use it as a tablet. Living in Germany, I couldn't buy B&N books even if I wanted to and that fact always bugged me a bit, since the NC obviously is so cheap because they want you to buy books.
I don't want to be ripping off a company that makes such awesome devices
Actually, there has been much debate over B&n making any real profit on the device.
Looking the main components:
1024x600 7" IPS Panel (not cheap)
TI Omap 3621 (eBook version of the 3630, featured in the Droid X)
512MB ram
8GB memory
4400mAh battery
As it is, the "cheap" tablets that are close in price, are not close in specs. Devices that ARE close in specs, are commonly more expensive.
At this point, i suspect they may be making a bit of money, but not much; and several months ago, i have no doubt that the nook was costing them, and that they really did rely on book sales (basically free money) to offset the losses.
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Actually, there has been much debate over B&n making any real profit on the device.
Looking the main components:
1024x600 7" IPS Panel (not cheap)
TI Omap 3621 (eBook version of the 3630, featured in the Droid X)
512MB ram
8GB memory
4400mAh battery
As it is, the "cheap" tablets that are close in price, are not close in specs. Devices that ARE close in specs, are commonly more expensive.
At this point, i suspect they may be making a bit of money, but not much; and several months ago, i have no doubt that the nook was costing them, and that they really did rely on book sales (basically free money) to offset the losses.
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I agree, it's most commonly estimated that the Bill of Materials for the Nook is around $200. Add in all the other overhead involved in marketing, supporting and shipping a product like this and you come to see that their profit margins are razor thin. Compare that to the iPad's BOM of $260 and you come to see that tablets like the iPad and the Nook are playing at very different games...
Does anyone know a good site to sell my used laptop?
Not crazy about ebay because i've already canceled one ad on my account, if i cancel another i might get charged a penalty (if i end up selling it somewhere else while in the mean time... i want to sell it fast)
Not crazy about craigslist because the laptop has signs of cosmetic wear especially on the lid (does not impact performance purely cosmetic) but in the eyes of a non tech savy buyer that = worth much less.
Best buy trade in is a joke they offered me like $100 for my gs3 which i sold on swappa for $270.
All the hundreds of sites that give instant quotes seems a little sketchy because theres a bunch of identical sites, all of them ask for little to no info for the quote, they say send us the laptop THEN you get paid. Also the quotes are pretty low.
And sites like gazelle don't have a category for regular laptops.. only macbooks and iphones.
It's a hp dm4 1060 with a core i5, 4gb ram, 500HDD, 13" screen. Paid $650 for it 3 years ago i really want to get $300-350 for it at least, its worth a hell of alot more than that. Anyone have any advice?
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This site looks very promising thanks! Looks a lot more like swappa. I'll check it out
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No problem.
A lot of member from here and swappa are on that site.