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Does the SGS screen suffer from burn-in? And if so, is it permanent?
Yes and yes. Its most likely to happen to the status bar since it is almost always displayed. You can help prevent it by using a launcher that allows you to hide the status bar.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Screen_burn-in#Plasma_.26_LCD_.26_OLED
wow thnx for the heads up on this garbage! this peeves me, it betta come with warnings like plasma tvs
The problem really isn't that bad.
Tilting the device sideways sometimes to move the status bar around is plenty to prevent burn in of the status bar.
I've been using a Cowon S9 (AMOLED) everyday since Feb '09 that has static images displayed on it a lot when playing music, and it has absolutely no signs of burn-in.
I've always been under the impression that only CRT can suffer permanent burn-in. On LCD/LED you can get residual image sometimes but it will not be permanent.
I thought the answer to this question would get yes and no answers just like every other SGS issue gets a batch of yes and no's here.
So these dang screens suffer the same as plasma screens of yesterday?! Having to use the SGS differently than other types of devices sounds like another real letdown. The iPhone doesn't have much of a status bar and it's annoying compared to the pulldown status bar of the Evo/Android. In other words, am I the only one who thinks it's no good to have to hide the status bar or any other feature that would be fine on other devices? Not asking for perfection but the SGS does some things better than other devices. It would be nice if it also did all of the other basic things all the other superphones can do like have a status bar always on (without causing damage to the display) because....well......it's a status bar.
There really is no evidence that OLED has burn-in issues and with so many OLED devices out now I've not heard of one instance of it; even the wikipedia article posted here doesn't cite it's sources.
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There really is no evidence that OLED has burn-in issues; even the wikipedia article posted here doesn't cite it's sources.
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I first thought of this after watching a pocketnow.com video in which they said it has happened and that one could just hide the status bar to help prevent this from happening. I don't know why this bothers me, due to the fact that I seem to get knew phones often. Regardless! I would be none too happy if after just a few months I too end up seeing a shadow of the status bar showing up during the boot screens. I'll try to locate that pocket now video.......
The siaplay uses a pentile matrix to reduce the powwibility of burn in. Samsung has already considered this and found ways around it, you dint need to treat the phone any differently.
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The siaplay uses a pentile matrix to reduce the powwibility of burn in. Samsung has already considered this and found ways around it, you dint need to treat the phone any differently.
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Well that sounds good to me, let's hope it works out that way.
There's no chance of getting screen burn on a modern mobile phone display, I really don't know why people start rumours like this?
Screen burn is only ever likely to occur on a crt, plasma display or really old lcds. A modern lcd / tft or oled will have no such problems. Even if there was, it would hardly be unique to the sgs...
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There's no chance of getting screen burn on a modern mobile phone display, I really don't know why people start rumours like this?
Screen burn is only ever likely to occur on a crt, plasma display or really old lcds. A modern lcd / tft or oled will have no such problems. Even if there was, it would hardly be unique to the sgs...
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Again this is what they said about the Nexus One. They say they could see the status bar ghost/shadow on the boot screen. I've done a little research now and I do not see any clear answer to this as some say as you do and others say it does happen.
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Again this is what they said about the Nexus One. They say they could see the status bar ghost/shadow on the boot screen. I've done a little research now and I do not see any clear answer to this as some say as you do and others say it does happen.
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That would be contradictory to the way an AMOLED screen works. The term 'burn-in' is actually incorrect for AMOLED screens and is unrelated to the effect seen on plasmas. The problem with AMOLED is the organic nature of the dyes used to create the colours as they fade over time. The blue channel is the worst, but with the latest version they have a life-span of 10-20 years during which they degrade down to about 60-70% of their original intensity.
That's much longer than the typical lifespan of the phone.
Now with a Super AMOLED screen, if the pixel isnt coloured, it isnt lit and powered. So if it has faded and its not enabled, you cant see that its faded. If it is enabled but faded, you'd be very hard pressed to even notice it, because its still showing the right colour.
What you might see after several years of having the screen on all the time is some yellow-ing around the battery and 3G icons on a pure white screen. But thats several years with the screen on in excess of 12 hours a day, with the status bar showing. But I think it's pretty much common sense not to do that.
Oh course, we rely on the technology manufacturers to be honest about their lifespan claims, so only time will tell for sure.
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The pentile matrix fixes this issue, if I understand it correctly.
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The pentile matrix fixes this issue, if I understand it correctly.
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It doesn't stop the dyes from degrading over time, but it might soften the edges of any fading making them less noticeable. Unless there's some other technology associated with the pentile matrix I'm not aware of. ( I design graphics chips, not displays, so I'm just guessing )
I thought I had a "burn in" problem with my 24" iMac but it turns out it's kind of normal, but reversable. It's something to do with exercising the screen elements, and burn-in is more likely to occur on a young screen with least exercised elements. As the screen ages the elements equalise (same amount of exercise on average) and burn-in is less likely, less noticable, and entirely reversable by powering the screen off for a length of time (my iMac's "burn-in" would disappear after being powered down overnight - before which I had not powered it off for weeks).
Anyway, I could be talking out of my proverbial, but that's how I understand it with modern screens.
miker71, your iMac's LCD screen is a very different technology from the OLED screens on the Galaxy S.
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It doesn't stop the dyes from degrading over time, but it might soften the edges of any fading making them less noticeable. Unless there's some other technology associated with the pentile matrix I'm not aware of. ( I design graphics chips, not displays, so I'm just guessing )
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It does, actually. The whole reason why they use pentile is so they can extend the life of the blue pixels. We have seen that t has some negative effect on readability, so obviously the main concern has to be lifetime.
So how about some red colored status bar icons? Is that too hard to do? Not only does it protect the blue pixels, it also reduces power consumption.
lol yea i remember reading that about the red. still these posts have assuaged my fears a bit.
Edit: My Display Solution is : FauxClock. It has gamma correction and color tweaking. It's a paid app but it's inexpensive and def with it.
You can follow Faux123 work on the Nexus for kernel development as well as it rocks but not necessary for the color/gamma tweaks.
His thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2008222
Hey Nexus 4 Community,
I've read endless articles about how the Nexus 4 display is inferior to the iPhone and is bland and gamma raised way too high. I'm a photo-enthusiast, tech fanatic, and work in the field of mobile apps. With that said, I'd have to agree that the screen is amazing but has many short falls that it quiet frankly shouldn't.
I've dealt with screens from the old Palm Pilot Days (For those of you who remember the Treo ), TFT screens, Amoled (Or Super Amoled as Samsung so articulately imaged, and now IPS. I've dealt with high PPI's, to well... BlackBerry's. In the end, and after my last Galaxy Nexus... I took the screen out of the box and I was blown away with the sharpness and detail. Once that wow factor subsided I then got hit with the "Ummm..." factor of the washed out effect. I was one of the few that got mine from T-Mobile. I've experienced Google in the past shifting colors on releases and it's very frustrating to say the least.
I did some reading-up on tests and internet reviews and apparently our phone (the Nexus 4) actually has a better contrast rating and blacker blacks then even the iPhone 5. But, that doesn't make sense because I have an iPhone 5 (well, my girlfriend does actually) and I "went in" on details and video's to see which screen looked better. The colors in comparison on the Nexus 4, were off. The colors seemed so much more rich on the iPhone 5 as well. Now, trust me, I'm no iSheep. However I do appreciate quality. My Digital lenses (particularly my 85mm 1.4) in my Nikon collection afford me the ability to truly appreciate the low light shooting and quality of what true imagery can render in a photo.
It frustrates me to no end that Google hasn't gotten it right yet on this one. And I do emphasize yet, however I truly believe it's going to take one of you geniuses to actually get this screen calibration corrected. I *do* believe our screen is better then the likes of the Galaxy S3 (though opinions come into play here as some people like the Amoled saturation better) and even the iPhone line-up. I've personally tested the sharpness to be greater than both. With the right game adjustments and color calibration I know this can be done.
I'm not complaining...(well maybe a lil) I love my phone. Best Nexus device to date, IMO, as I've had them all less the Nexus One. I just want to use it at its true potential. I remember tweaking my Nexus S with Voodoo drivers and that made a lot of difference. I've even used FauxClock which I can appreciate for its color tweaking ability on the kernels, including the Nexus 4 one rooted, but I still need game control. I certainly hope if google fails to correct this display issue that someone here gets it right.
Well, that's my rant... oh yeah and one more thing. Those that question those of us who do complain about the washed out look. It's a bit insulting to hear that we are used to certain devices (such as Amoled) as there are so many devices to compare our screens to and unfortunately most give ours that washed out feel. It's unfortunate to have what I believe to be one of the best screens on the market and be hindered like this. Everyone has the right to their opinion and if you like the screen as is... you're not alone as many do, including me. But it can be better. That I know.
In hopes of the Nexus 4 to its utmost potential,
Rome
(PS. All of our phones are slightly different in regards to the screens, so what might be slightly greener on mine might be a touch more red on yours. Just remember that everyone's experience differs.)
Have you tried this?
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.nexus4displaycontrol
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Have you tried this?
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.nexus4displaycontrol
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Hi and thanks for the recommendation. I have tried that and it distorts the colors even worse for me over 255 making all of my white yellow.
My colors currently aren't horrible or anything but could use improvement but more over I'm even more interested in the gamma to be lowered so blacks on the app page and over all color isn't as washed out.
Thanks for taking time to try and help though. Its appreciated.
Rome
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Supposedly the developer of that app is working on a gamma setting feature for a future version.
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Supposedly the developer of that app is working on a gamma setting feature for a future version.
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That would be awesome. I'll be looking out for that. Thanks for the info.
Rome
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Supposedly the developer of that app is working on a gamma setting feature for a future version.
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Can wait for it, the screen is too warm, the white looks yellow
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The screen is a bit washed out. Colors just seem to be a tad light. Also, it seems that blues are a bit undersaturated.
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The screen is a bit washed out. Colors just seem to be a tad light. Also, it seems that blues are a bit undersaturated.
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My issues seem to fall right in line with yours. Undersaturated aka high gamma. Also washed out colors.
Despite my initial post stating the screen is beautiful and device just needs some tweaking such as gamma controls and color adjustment I'm sure people will start with the whole "we are used to amoled" crap Lol so be prepared to hear it.
That a side I'm happy but could be fully content with those adjustments in a new release or tools to fix these issues as Google hasn't normally in the past corrected color calibration issues in a timely manor in the past, if ever at all.
Lastly it seems there are a good bunch who are dealing with the yellowish screen issue (I'm not personally) and not sure if that goes away in time as I've heard that could be do to the glue on the screen. Again not sure as I'm not experiencing it.
Rome
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Can wait for it, the screen is too warm, the white looks yellow
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here is a picture, left side old one which i sent back cause it had a cracked in the back glass and right side the one i have and it seems like the yellow tint killin it.
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/64014163/DSCN0649.JPG
romeoliny said:
My issues seem to fall right in line with yours. Undersaturated aka high gamma. Also washed out colors.
Despite my initial post stating the screen is beautiful and device just needs some tweaking such as gamma controls and color adjustment I'm sure people will start with the whole we are used to smiled crap Lol so be prepared to hear it.
That a side I'm happy but could be fully content with those adjustments in a new release or tools to fix these issues as Google hasn't normally in the past corrected color calibration issues in a timely manor in the past, if ever at all.
Lastly it seems there are a good bunch who are dealing with the yellowish screen issue (I'm not personally) and not sure if that goes away in time as I've heard that could be do to the glue on the screen. Again not sure as I'm not experiencing it.
Rome
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Yeah, I actually think this screen is worlds better than Super AMOLED even with the slightly faded color pallette. My point of comparison is the SLCD on the HTC Sensation. While not an IPS screen, the colors are definitely deeper and more vivid than the Nexus 4, especially the blues (see image).
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here is a picture, left side old one which i sent back cause it had a cracked in the back glass and right side the one i have and it seems like the yellow tint killin it.
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/64014163/DSCN0649.JPG
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Wow that's definitely some serious yellow tinting going on there v thanks for sharing the pictures and I hope the fix comes soon for that
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Yeah, I actually think this screen is worlds better than Super AMOLED even with the slightly faded color pallette. My point of comparison is the SLCD on the HTC Sensation. While not an IPS screen, the colors are definitely deeper and more vivid than the Nexus 4, especially the blues (see image).
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I see what you mean. From the picture it also appears you're dealing with the yellow tinting as well. But the blues are of for sure. My blue seems a bit on the purple side. I played a video by Katy Perry (the one with the blue hair on vevo in hd to see the resolution/quality) on my nexus 4 vs the iPhone 5 and to my surprise I was paying more attention to the colors being so misrepresented I forgot I was comparing sharpness.
Then I checked other videos and i noticed more and more. I guess all of our phones are of in different ways. Sort of complicated the matter further I'd imagine.
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Wow that's definitely some serious yellow tinting going on there v thanks for sharing the pictures and I hope the fix comes soon for that
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yup don't know what to do is this yellow tinted problem hardware or software related?
I'm not picky about colors or displays as long as i can see in bright sunlight. Usually in a dark room at night i notice very faint backlight bleed from the top when screen is dark black @ 30-50% brightness, like in some older LED notebooks.
Hi, can you also compare the whites and sharpness on iPhone 5 and nexus 4 respective screens. I really love reading text on beautiful white screen of iPhone 4S.
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Francisco's work for the GNex was brilliant, including a good bit of calibration tools. He'll get there (he hasn't even received his N4 yet!).
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Supercurio is the man we want working on our screens. He's done absolute magic in the past
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I'm cross-posting my reply to this thread here because it touches on the differences in displays and what I've observed.
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I've heard from a lot of more educated folks and some devs how the common "washed out screen" complaint your seeing is not really accurate at all. Many of us (especially coming from Samsung phones) are used to those SAMOLED displays which oversaturate the colors. The colors you will see on a high quality IPS display like the Nexus 4 are actually a true representation of what they are supposed to look like. At first it is going to appear weird and "washed out" to you, but after adjusting a bit you should be able to appreciate that you are seeing the colors the way they were designed, by Google, to be viewed. Just some info I wanted to pass along
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I'm sorry, but I'm really going to have to beg to differ on this. When I got my Nexus 4 and showed it the my girlfriend next to my Galaxy S II Epic 4G Touch Long Name phone, she instantly said, "The old one looks a lot better." I told her that the SAMOLED screen was merely hyped up because of all the usual reasons, but the difference DID bother me. I told myself, "No, this is more natural. It's not washed out. You're just used to the old screen," but I can't do it any longer. My screen IS washed out; it IS inaccurate. I'm not sure what to do about it.
I'm a semi-pro photographer (meaning I've made money from my work, but it's not my day job; see my stuff here) and thus really picky about image quality and fidelity. I also used to be a DVD reviewer for a couple of major sites and had to calibrate my home theater setups to properly grade A/V quality. I just recalibrated my main computer's display - a Dell UltraSharp U2410 IPS-panel connected via DisplayPort using a GretagMacbeth Eye-One Match 3 calibrator - and compared my current wallpaper (NSFW, so not linked; skin tones are a good source to judge because of the subtleties of complexions) from mine and other Flickr users work and the differences are there and problematic. I even dug out my OG EVO 4G to compare because it was its too-cool/bluish display that paled (no pun) in comparison to the GS2 was what made me thunk down $500 to buy the latter unsubsidized. I had to use the Movie setting in Display properties to get the least-hyped picture because Standard and Vivid were just acid-trip crazy.
Compared to the GS2, the N4's colors are flatter, paler and washed out, especially in highlights on skin which are getting close to being blown out to white. It looks cooler until you throw the EVO into the mix and see what really cool, bluish color cast looks like. When looking at all three, the GS2 looks the closest to the PC monitor; the N4 is clearly less saturated and skewed toward yellow (note: I do NOT see the yellow color cast on pure white that others have reported; it just looks like more red is needed); the EVO looks really cool (blue).
Checking another photo (again NSFW; tanned partial nude woman in vivid magenta leather jacket) shows similar issues. The N4 is flatter in contrast and the highlights are blown out; the wall in back doesn't look creamy, but almost white; the jacket looks pink, not magenta; the burgundy wash on her hair is almost unnoticeable. I couldn't check with the EVO because it's having a cow about updating (gee, it's been offline for 14 months, could that be the problem?) but since it's obsolete, who cares? The GS2 looks really close to the monitor and the N4 doesn't.
Using the LCD test patterns here - LCD monitor test images - the most damning one isn't the Black Level one (browser color profiles seem to mess with it) or the Gamma test (all the phones look waaaay out of whack) but the White Saturation pattern which demonstrates how brighter values are rendering. On my computer, I can see the difference between 254 and the 255 background. The highest the N4 shows is 247, meaning everything from 248 on up looks the same as pure white, 248-254 = 255 = not good. The GS2 goes four steps up to 251 and the difference between getting 96.9% of the way and 98.4% makes a difference. As someone who usually shoots black-clad musicians in dimly-lit clubs with black walls, the difference of a few steps is the difference between seeing a guy in a black shirt in a black room playing guitar or seeing a floating guitar and arm. (This is an all-time worst case example.)
The hardest thing to do in publishing is color management and printers and pre-production houses spend thousands of dollars trying to get their workflow together so that what designers see on the screen will match what's on the page when it's printed. It is said that a man with one clock knows what time it is but a man with two clocks is never sure and what may look fine in isolation may suffer in comparison to something else. (Like how your significant other may be cute, but stand them next to the latest Sexiest Man/Woman Alive and you realize you're in a relationship with a mortal.) The trick is to determine what is CORRECT. For clocks, you get one of those atomic deals and set your watch to that. For displays, you color calibrate and use test patterns.
This is what I've done and while there is a element of personal taste involved - like when you adjust the tone controls on your sound system to boom the bass or whatnot - I'm not interested in preference, but accuracy, and the screen on my Nexus 4 simply isn't accurate. Maybe it's isolated bad unit; maybe it's an issue with 25% of units; who knows? All I know is that some people say it's washed out; others say it's as good as the best-in-class HOX; some try to rationalize what they're seeing by attributing it to the differences between LCD and SAMOLED; and I just want a faithful version of what's being displayed.
Have you tried adjusting using Franco's display control app? Should be able to get pretty close to what you want.
The N4 is already a way better screen than the N7 I'm typing this on.
Edit: A few seconds tweaking got the white level to 253. Gamma as you say is way off..
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I would, but for some reason Play is saying I don't have any qualifying devices and doesn't even show my N4 in the dashboard, so I'm SOL to even try it.
EDIT: Was able to buy it from my phone, but what settings do you use. The lack of even labels on the RGB sliders and no sample image makes tweaking difficult.
EDIT #2: I refunded it because there wasn't enough info to work with in just 15 minutes. I was able to randomly slide things around and get White Saturation block 251 to appear (up from 247) and at one point it almost appeared to get the skin tones on the ballpark, but time ran out. I still think a gamma tweak would do a lot to help as well.
I've had my Nexus 4 a week now, I'm really enjoying it coming from a Desire HD, a very smooth experience. Although people keep saying the display is one of the best seen in a phone and I'm honestly not that blown away by it. I'm using Fauxclock to edit the display settings, I forgot what user-made settings I'm using.
Before the settings change I wasn't that impressed, afterwards I barely saw a difference, In-fact if I wasn't testing side by side I doubt I would be able to tell the difference.
I'm not saying it's a poor display, the only thing I compare it to is my own IPS monitor and my old Desire HD, it may be because I'm already conditioned to an IPS display in terms of colour and whatnot, that I'm not seeing this wow factor.
This is using auto-brightness and after having a look, I'm using sebacestmoi's settings. (248.240.240 23.22.22 7.7.7)
going from super crapoled on the G Nexus is an amazing screen upgrade imo ESPECIALLY outdoors
After it's calibrated it looks nice. I had a mytouch which had the same screen as the desire(i think) and I very much prefer this screen. The top screens are: HOX, SIII, Note II, and iPhone 5.
What is the best way to calibrate the nexus 4 screen?
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I've had my Nexus 4 a week now, I'm really enjoying it coming from a Desire HD, a very smooth experience. Although people keep saying the display is one of the best seen in a phone and I'm honestly not that blown away by it. I'm using Fauxclock to edit the display settings, I forgot what user-made settings I'm using.
Before the settings change I wasn't that impressed, afterwards I barely saw a difference, In-fact if I wasn't testing side by side I doubt I would be able to tell the difference.
I'm not saying it's a poor display, the only thing I compare it to is my own IPS monitor and my old Desire HD, it may be because I'm already conditioned to an IPS display in terms of colour and whatnot, that I'm not seeing this wow factor.
This is using auto-brightness and after having a look, I'm using sebacestmoi's settings. (248.240.240 23.22.22 7.7.7)
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It has the best LCD blacks on the market and features in-cell touch, so things on the screen look like they're floating. You can also do a better job of calibrating it. If you spend some time doing it, it's up there with the iPhone 5. That makes sense, since it's the same tech, but Apple does an extraordinary job of calibrating their displays.
I have a Desire HD too and it doesn't even compare. Blacks on the DHD are horrible and the colors are all dull. Stock Nexus 4 colors aren't any better, but if you mess with them they can be quite vibrant.
Sunlight performance is pretty ****ty on both displays.
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going from super crapoled on the G Nexus is an amazing screen upgrade imo ESPECIALLY outdoors
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It´s funny, two years ago everyone was talking about how great Super AMOLED was. The Nexus S has two versions, one with Super AMOLED, the other with Super Clear LCD. Everyone thought S-AMOLED was way better. In my opinion, LCD has always been better, at least in terms of colors. Certainly back then, when AMOLED still had PenTile.
I can imagine that it´s hard to switch from an AMOLED screen to a LCD screen though, even if it´s IPS.
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It´s funny, two years ago everyone was talking about how great Super AMOLED was. The Nexus S has two versions, one with Super AMOLED, the other with Super Clear LCD. Everyone thought S-AMOLED was way better. In my opinion, LCD has always been better, at least in terms of colors. Certainly back then, when AMOLED still had PenTile.
I can imagine that it´s hard to switch from an AMOLED screen to a LCD screen though, even if it´s IPS.
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I prefer amoled to be honest. I have no problem in the sun viewing my galaxy nexus and the contrast is amazing as are the view angles. Theres also a lot more calibration potential in custom roms as your not just dealing with a backlight. I still like a good lcd panel though. I just don't understand why the nexus 4 and nexus 10 (especially) have such poor calibrations out of the factory. I don't care if the colors are accurate but the nexus 10 could barely even display the color purple at all when I had it. Theres no reason it shouldn't have been able to. Out of the factory both of these devices have shipped with terrible gamma curves and poor saturation. The fact they aren't calibrated them individually isn't the problem. They are calibrated wrongly.
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I prefer amoled to be honest. I have no problem in the sun viewing my galaxy nexus and the contrast is amazing as are the view angles. Theres also a lot more calibration potential in custom roms as your not just dealing with a backlight. I still like a good lcd panel though. I just don't understand why the nexus 4 and nexus 10 (especially) have such poor calibrations out of the factory. I don't care if the colors are accurate but the nexus 10 could barely even display the color purple at all when I had it. Theres no reason it shouldn't have been able to.
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The fact that it doesn´t use backlight is good. I think that´s the future. I would love to see some hybrid technology with ''normal'' colors.
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It has the best LCD blacks on the market and features in-cell touch, so things on the screen look like they're floating. You can also do a better job of calibrating it. If you spend some time doing it, it's up there with the iPhone 5. That makes sense, since it's the same tech, but Apple does an extraordinary job of calibrating their displays.
I have a Desire HD too and it doesn't even compare. Blacks on the DHD are horrible and the colors are all dull. Stock Nexus 4 colors aren't any better, but if you mess with them they can be quite vibrant.
Sunlight performance is pretty ****ty on both displays.
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I read quite a bit about that in cell touch thing, I don't see anything floating myself buy it sounds fancy anyway. The colours do look accurate but not super vibrant as some say. It is calibrated.
I really love the display of the N4 after "calibratiing" it with the faux app. It looks simply stunning, sharp, great colors, awesome black levels and this floating effect (the screen looks like it is painted on the glass).
There are only 2 things which are not perfect (for me atleast), I always have the display on auto-brightness and on the lowest setting (when in dark enviroments) the colors don't look right (hard to explain) but as soon as you increase the brightness a tiny bit it really starts to come to life...
Second thing is this weird effect that it changes the color slightly from yellow/blue depending on the viewing angle, it is not bad it is just a little thing which stops it from being the best. I couldn't compare it side by side to a HOX yet (but I played around with it for a while) but the only difference I see from my N4 and HOX is this weird yellow/blue polarization effect. So I'd say the HOX is still the best display I've seen but the N4 is a really close second. My previous phone the DHD is no comparison aswell as the GNex or Galaxy Note...
But the stock settings on the N4 are horrible when I first saw it I was like "apart from the resolution I rather use my DHD...", everything was yellow/green just horrible...
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I really love the display of the N4 after "calibratiing" it with the faux app. It looks simply stunning, sharp, great colors, awesome black levels and this floating effect (the screen looks like it is painted on the glass).
There are only 2 things which are not perfect (for me atleast), I always have the display on auto-brightness and on the lowest setting (when in dark enviroments) the colors don't look right (hard to explain) but as soon as you increase the brightness a tiny bit it really starts to come to life...
Second thing is this weird effect that it changes the color slightly from yellow/blue depending on the viewing angle, it is not bad it is just a little thing which stops it from being the best. I couldn't compare it side by side to a HOX yet (but I played around with it for a while) but the only difference I see from my N4 and HOX is this weird yellow/blue polarization effect. So I'd say the HOX is still the best display I've seen but the N4 is a really close second. My previous phone the DHD is no comparison aswell as the GNex or Galaxy Note...
But the stock settings on the N4 are horrible when I first saw it I was like "apart from the resolution I rather use my DHD...", everything was yellow/green just horrible...
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What Faux settings are you using? And thankyou for the well written reply.
.....you came from a 2+ year old phone using a two year old display and somehow you aren't blown away with this display?
Not sure if needs glasses or trolling....
Eltocliousus said:
What Faux settings are you using? And thankyou for the well written reply.
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It is in the spreadsheet https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AoDp2qRui0u0dGE4T2gtSDBTRHVFSldPS2RrX1Rya0E#gid=0
I simply tried a couple from the list, like the most different settings to see what direction I had to take for my display... And then when I found a good one, I tried to improve it with minor adjustments...
tweaked said:
.....you came from a 2+ year old phone using a two year old display and somehow you aren't blown away with this display?
Not sure if needs glasses or trolling....
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Is this sarcasm?
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Is this sarcasm?
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No. He was being serious. I agree with him.
Or do I?
Definitely not the best screen.
But definitely the best screen for the price.
xchasa said:
Definitely not the best screen.
But definitely the best screen for the price.
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Which one is the best?
blackhand1001 said:
Theres no reason it shouldn't have been able to. Out of the factory both of these devices have shipped with terrible gamma curves and poor saturation. The fact they aren't calibrated them individually isn't the problem. They are calibrated wrongly.
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!!!
Yes, quite terrible. Maybe Apple has a patent on properly calibrated displays! lol
Google has done incredibly bad in calibrating their own devices (starting from Galaxy Nexus -> Nexus 7 -> Nexus 4 and 10).
If you look at a gray scale gradient, instead of seeing: black -> dark gray -> light gray -> white, you see: black -> dark magenta -> green -> yellow. WTF???
What the heck did Google smoke???
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Kazliux said:
Which one is the best?
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iPhone 5 or HOX(+). Both are bright, with good contrast AND properly calibrated BY DEFAULT!
Androyed said:
The fact that it doesn´t use backlight is good. I think that´s the future. I would love to see some hybrid technology with ''normal'' colors.
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It just has to be widely adapted. People said LCD had weird colors compared to CRT too. And now it is repeating hear with people used to seeing LCD all of their lives saying AMOLED looks weird. But in reality, AMOLED has a pretty wide palette and when viewing certain palettes get magnified when viewed next to a pool of dark black rather than a dark grey. Same thing applies to a really bright white, colors look more washed out than they really are when viewed next to a bright white. that is just the way the cells in our eyes work.
The LG Optimus G currently has my favorite mobile phone display though. For some reason it looks a lot better than the Nexus 4 display even though the screen is exactly the same. Might be software but it might be the wallpapers. Go check out an Optimus G with the wallpaper of the rocks or the colorful feathers, amazing.
The Nexus 10 display is also just wow too. It is gorgeous and probably the best mobile display ever. A 10 inch 300 ppi screen is as good as it sounds.
It does have a nice display if nothing is wrong with it. The quality is very happy inconsistent
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http://smartphoneblogging.com/2013/01/review-nexus-4-hardware-impressions/
This is really a disruptive device if you combine the price tag, hardware power and build quality as well as pure Android at its best. Very impressive demonstration of what Google is capable of, together with a partner like LG. And finally no Pentile Garbage screen!
Its the best Nexus Device ever. Never would have thought to say this about an LG Device.
Nicely written.
I find it interesting that cite these design factors as two of your main highlights on why the Nexus 4 is so special:
"It doesn’t have a curved display this time, but instead an interesting touch where the left and right display edges are wrapped around the corners. This makes touch gestures like scrolling horizontally feel much more natural, when you start at the edges."
and
"I really appreciate the multi color notification light which is positioned beneath the screen. There is an app called color flow which allows you to specify notification colors for each app seperately, this is a great feature to let you know what the context of the notification you just received is without even turning the screen on."
Good to know Samsung's Galaxy S3 design bodes well with LG and Nexus users..
Also funny that you deleted my comment on your blog and I had to post it here.
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Good to know Samsung's Galaxy S3 design bodes well with LG and Nexus users..
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The S3 has rounded glass on the face? I think the large bezel(on the S3) ruins what the N4 has going for it.
The front camera is 1.3MP not 3.2MP as stated in the review.
Though the review was good, you may want to go back and check for I's that aren't capitalized and so forth. For me at least, it makes the review lose a small amount of credibility. Otherwise, I enjoyed it greatly.
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Thanks for your reply.
The comment wasn't deleted, its live.
You couldn't see it initially because I check comments manually before they are shown online, in order to delete spam.
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I find it interesting that cite these design factors as two of your main highlights on why the Nexus 4 is so special:
"It doesn’t have a curved display this time, but instead an interesting touch where the left and right display edges are wrapped around the corners. This makes touch gestures like scrolling horizontally feel much more natural, when you start at the edges."
and
"I really appreciate the multi color notification light which is positioned beneath the screen. There is an app called color flow which allows you to specify notification colors for each app seperately, this is a great feature to let you know what the context of the notification you just received is without even turning the screen on."
Good to know Samsung's Galaxy S3 design bodes well with LG and Nexus users..
Also funny that you deleted my comment on your blog and I had to post it here.
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nightf0x said:
The front camera is 1.3MP not 3.2MP as stated in the review.
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Yes, my mistake. Fixed it.
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Thanks. Sadly an old Version of my review went live due to some WordPress issues, I already fixed some errors. Will check the spelling after work today.
tanner4137 said:
Though the review was good, you may want to go back and check for I's that aren't capitalized and so forth. For me at least, it makes the review lose a small amount of credibility. Otherwise, I enjoyed it greatly.
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ingenious247 said:
I find it interesting that cite these design factors as two of your main highlights on why the Nexus 4 is so special:
"It doesn’t have a curved display this time, but instead an interesting touch where the left and right display edges are wrapped around the corners. This makes touch gestures like scrolling horizontally feel much more natural, when you start at the edges."
and
"I really appreciate the multi color notification light which is positioned beneath the screen. There is an app called color flow which allows you to specify notification colors for each app seperately, this is a great feature to let you know what the context of the notification you just received is without even turning the screen on."
Good to know Samsung's Galaxy S3 design bodes well with LG and Nexus users..
Also funny that you deleted my comment on your blog and I had to post it here.
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Except the Galaxy Nexus had a multi-color LED before the Galaxy S3 and the Galaxy S3 does not have curved glass that wraps around the sides of the screen...
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There is an app called color flow which allows you to specify notification colors for each app seperately
It's Light Flow not Color Flow.
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Except the Galaxy Nexus had a multi-color LED before the Galaxy S3 and the Galaxy S3 does not have curved glass that wraps around the sides of the screen...
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Sorry, maybe I should have said "Samsung's" design, not the S3 then. Because they made the Galaxy Nexus
And the S3 has curved glass on the edges, giving the exact experience when gesturing from the side that he mentioned in the review. Not having it wrap around the entire side was smart IMO as it only makes the phone more fragile.
Point is, two main "wow" factors are actually Samsung designs that have been.. shall we say, "expanded" upon? (to be nice..)
But I don't dislike the Nexus, or his review, I just found it funny that those two points were written as if to insinuate that it was "new" design tech that improved the user experience over existing devices. Whereas I would have said something like, "similar to some of the key design features of the Galaxy line" to give credit where credit is due. I mean he even references the position of the power button which, again.. Samsung..
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Totally agree with the power button issue. But the multi color notification was already present on the Nexus One. And I don't know if probably some Windows Mobile Device from ages ago had this. So I'm always very careful when claiming that somebody did invent something.
I mentioned the two issues (display and notification light) not because I think its extremely innovative, but because the features are there and it makes sense to mention them.
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Sorry, maybe I should have said "Samsung's" design, not the S3 then. Because they made the Galaxy Nexus
And the S3 has curved glass on the edges, giving the exact experience when gesturing from the side that he mentioned in the review. Not having it wrap around the entire side was smart IMO as it only makes the phone more fragile.
Point is, two main "wow" factors are actually Samsung designs that have been.. shall we say, "expanded" upon? (to be nice..)
But I don't dislike the Nexus, or his review, I just found it funny that those two points were written as if to insinuate that it was "new" design tech that improved the user experience over existing devices. Whereas I would have said something like, "similar to some of the key design features of the Galaxy line" to give credit where credit is due. I mean he even references the position of the power button which, again.. Samsung..
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If anyone wants to claim the idea of the multicolor LED, look toward RIM. The original Blackberry Perl had a multicolor LED behind the trackball. Samsung was still making toy phones back then.
OK I am not saying that Samsung "invented" these things lol
Just that they already have them present in a flagship Android phone that is still on the market right now, and is the most popular Android phone ever, that's all I am saying..
But yes, perhaps RIM had something original and cool back in the day.. they are fighting for their life right now though
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OK I am not saying that Samsung "invented" these things lol
Just that they already have them present in a flagship Android phone that is still on the market right now, and is the most popular Android phone ever, that's all I am saying..
But yes, perhaps RIM had something original and cool back in the day.. they are fighting for their life right now though
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Yes, but that doesn't mean that we shouldn't be happy that the Nexus 4 has that features too.
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If anyone wants to claim the idea of the multicolor LED, look toward RIM. The original Blackberry Perl had a multicolor LED behind the trackball. Samsung was still making toy phones back then.
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Didn't know that. Now let's see how good BB10 is. I have a playbook and I'm waiting for the update...
How well do you know your fifty shades of grey? Rate this thread to express how good the Google Pixel 2's display contrast is. A higher rating indicates that black is true black, rather than a very dark gray.
Then, drop a comment if you have anything to add!
My screen doesn't look truly black even when the phone is completely powered off. Noticable contrast from the black bezels. Annoying. Is this just how they are? My last several AMOLED screens have been much more true black.
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My screen doesn't look truly black even when the phone is completely powered off. Noticable contrast from the black bezels. Annoying. Is this just how they are? My last several AMOLED screens have been much more true black.
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When screens are completely off, the slightly grey dielectric layer is more noticeable. With current technology that layer is never going to be "true black."
The pixel 2 uses a Samsung display, this is the blackest you'll see.
ErikFry said:
When screens are completely off, the slightly grey dielectric layer is more noticeable. With current technology that layer is never going to be "true black."
The pixel 2 uses a Samsung display, this is the blackest you'll see.
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On or off, this screen jumps out to me as basically appearing backlit like an LCD, especially from an angle. I have had nothing but oled since 2012 and haven't noticed this on previous phones.
because they were so cheap and decided not to darken it. cheap move.
rootuser11 said:
because they were so cheap and decided not to darken it. cheap move.
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uhhh, source please? I've owned a several flagship/midranger LG, Moto and Samsung phones in the past several years and I have never seen a phone where the dielectric layer on OLED displays is pure black.
Regardless this topic is mostly subjective, I can't find any information about display manufactures darkening their dielectric layer.
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uhhh, source please? I've owned a several flagship/midranger LG, Moto and Samsung phones in the past several years and I have never seen a phone where the dielectric layer on OLED displays is pure black.
Regardless this topic is mostly subjective, I can't find any information about display manufactures darkening their dielectric layer.
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look at galaxy s8 and v30.
rootuser11 said:
look at galaxy s8 and v30.
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like I said...it is subjective. Unless you can show proof or any article written specifically about what you are talking about. The Pixel 2 display is a Samsung made OLED.
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like I said...it is subjective. Unless you can show proof or any article written specifically about what you are talking about. The Pixel 2 display is a Samsung made OLED.
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I think being of the same black colour as the body around the screen gives you a feel that its pure black... Also, the absence of light makes a difference too, with no screen borders visible unlike other LCD phones..
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