Hello, recently purchased a asus tf701t laptop/tablet hyrbid and the device itself is perfect. Powerful cpu, good storage and an insane 2k resolution for a 10' inch screen which I don't think has been done before.
However I absolutely hate android (no offense to android developers) and decided to try installing Linux Mint 17 which can be installed on any regular laptop easily. Essentially, I want to get rid of both android bootloader and the OS itself and replace that with Grub bootloader and Linux Mint 17 OS. But android is fighting me every step of the way trying to prevent me from doing just that I unlocked the bootloader so my warrenty is void now.
But beyond that I can't install linux iso because the android bootloader isn't registering the usb stick (with linux iso on it) so I can't launch the linux live iso at all. I tried using cdrom iso using disk to launch through usb and still doesn't come up in the bootloader options. I know its possible to use linux on these devices because I've seen people have done it before on the internet.
I am now at this point starting to consider android itself as malware as the very definition of the word, ....lets start with the fact that they locked the bootloader, prompting me to give ip address just to enable me to unlock the bootloader (malicious and very dodgy). No root access therefore, third party programs are required to enable root which further my belief that android os is more malware than it is a legitimate operating system. Lastly, either possibly no usb driver for bootloader or usb port is locked out by design at bootloader (either way, might explain why I can't use usb linux iso).
What I can't understand is, why google can lock down a device tighter than fort knox on a Asus brand device. This is like buying a brand new car and not being able to open your own car even though you purchased it. What google has done is borderline illegal and I'm abit astonished how they can get away with it...
Sorry for the rant guys I'm abit fustrated atm. Can anyone please help me? I really love linux mint and if its possible to format android and install linux mint on this device I would be eternally grateful
Update: I attempted to flash the device with the command: fastboot -i 0x0B05 flash recovery recovery.img which works...but when I reboot and push power and down volume into bootloader...and try to get into recovery...the screen looks like its about to load into it but then resumes boot of android.
I'm really puzzled by this. So cannot flash a custom recovery for some strange reason
Its not so simple I dont think. You might want to watch whats happening on this thread for now.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/transformer-tf701/general/native-linux-asus-tf701t-t2973119
I would think you would have to completely replace the bootloader with something like uboot maybe if you wanted to wipe the tablet. But I dont think anyone knows. Then you could end up with some permanent brick. There would be no recovery or fastboot option if you were somehow able to get some kind of boot loader on this thing. I have no idea.
Edit: Also there is no arm based Linux Mint afiak.
YayYouFixedIt said:
Its not so simple I dont think. You might want to watch whats happening on this thread for now.
I would think you would have to completely replace the bootloader with something like uboot maybe if you wanted to wipe the tablet. But I dont think anyone knows. Then you could end up with some permanent brick. There would be no recovery or fastboot option if you were somehow able to get some kind of boot loader on this thing. I have no idea.
Edit: Also there is no arm based Linux Mint afiak.
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Thanks I appreciate the reply. I understand this won't be easy but I'm stubborn that way
Can you give me some advice on where I can start learning how to place a native linux os on the device? Would grub bootloader work with tf701t?
have you considered returning your tf701 and replacing it with the tf700 infinity? you can replace the OS with ubuntu.. theres much more support for that model than the tf701
tf701mega said:
have you considered returning your tf701 and replacing it with the tf700 infinity? you can replace the OS with ubuntu.. theres much more support for that model than the tf701
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Out of curiosity, have you used the tf700t? it is good for development, but it could run pretty slow at times. It might of been because of the tegra 3 processor, because the tf300t also had this performance issue. I was barely able to type up documents on a CM Rom because the tablet would lag when typing out and would then force close and corrupt my document.
atleast for me, that was the reason why I went with this one rather than the tf700t. This is just my 2 cents about getting the tf700t. I would suggest trying it out before getting it.
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Just how stubborn are you?
How much work do you want to put into this? There are two options, the easy route that you probably will consider imperfect, and the much more complicated route that I'm not certain will work. I'll do my best to explain both.
The method I use is to install a linux distro (in my case, ubuntu) inside a chroot. There are several apps on the android market to help you set this up. The one I used sets up an Xvnc server, so you can view your linux desktop by using an android VNC viewer -- but it's just connecting locally, not going over the network.
This works nicely out of the box, but it's slow, partly because it's using the VNC protocol and partly because there's no 2d hardware acceleration. I tinkered with my setup and installed XSDL, a native android X server with hardware acceleration. I had to modify the linux startup script to skip starting Xvnc and instead connect to XSDL (which is on :0.0 like a normal X server).
This works great and is fairly fast. For me, this is a good compromise between a full-fledged linux laptop and the convenience of android apps written specifically for a multitouch screen. I generally do most of my stuff in Android, but I can drop into my Ubuntu desktop whenever I need more power.
The really big downside is that it's hard to prevent Android's low-memory killer from sacrificing XSDL when I haven't used it for awhile. I've mucked about with various solutions involving oom_score_adj and such, and that helps, but android still ends up killing my X server sometimes.
So, that's the easy method. For the more complicated method, I'm just theorizing, and this stuff may not work. You're going to need to either already have somewhat deep linux knowledge or be willing to learn Here goes.
In this post, I described how I managed to boot my tf701t after the internal memory card died a horrible death. The important bit here is that I learned how to boot any initrd/kernel combination using fastboot, and how to roll that combination into a boot.img so that the tablet always boots it. This is what you'll need to do both for the installation and for future boots into your Linux install.
First off, choose your Linux distro. I don't think you'll be able to use Mint, since, as someone pointed out above, there's no ARM build of Mint. However, there is an ARM build of Debian and Mint has the "debian edition", so maybe there is an ARM version. It may be, though, that the Mint folks only built their special stuff (Cinnamon/mate/whatever) for x86 platforms. I'd recommend Ubuntu as a compromise since I know it runs on the tf701t.
For the initial installation, put the contents of the install ISO onto an SD card -- just copying your bootable USB drive over should work. Now for the tricky bit: you'll need to pull the kernel and initrd ("ramdisk", "initial ramdisk" -- usually initrd-<something>.gz) off of the usb drive and into a working directory on a Linux laptop or desktop (let's call it the "host"). You might get away with just fastbooting this kernel/ramdisk directly. Install the fastboot package for your distro (Ubuntu has one, anyway). Connect up your tablet, put it in fastboot mode (I think that's done by booting with volume up and down held) and do 'fastboot boot <your kernel> <your ramdisk>'.
This will boot the kernel and load up the initrd, which is a tiny little linux filesystem stored in memory. The kernel runs a program called init inside the ramdisk and init takes over and boots into the actual installer. The question in my mind is how it goes about finding the ISO contents. If it searches by filesystem UUID, and there's a good chance that it does, then it will find your the ISO contents on the SD card just fine and the installer will start up.
If not, well, things will get a lot more complicated. Normally what one would do in a case like this would be to pass kernel command-line arguments (you do this in the SYSLINUX bootloader for distros like Ubuntu) telling it where to find the installation media. We can't do that because fastboot doesn't let you pass command-line arguments. Instead, you'd need to extract the initrd on the Host machine, modify the init script in some way to tell it where to find the installation media (probably /dev/block/mmcblk1p1), and then repackage it. I went into somewhat shallow detail on how to do the extract/repackage parts of this, but this is where either prior linux knowledge or a willingness to do some research comes in. Hints: gunzip the initrd, then use the cpio tool to extract it.
Okay, so let's say that you get the installer booting. The next big question is whether it's going to work at all. In theory the graphics chip inside the tf701t is supported by linux, but in practice, maybe it's only supported by a kernel module that Samsung built. Maybe you'd need to substitute the stock kernel. The next question is whether X has a module that will work with the graphics chip. But maybe even if it doesn't you can use a text-mode installer. That would at least let you get a system installed that you could then hack on to try to get X running.
So, let's say you do get linux installed (probably onto the internal SD card, /dev/block/mmcblk0). Now you want to boot it. You'll need to look into the installed system and steal its kernel and ramdisk, and get them onto the Host machine. Or maybe you could just extract them from the debian packages, since I'm not sure how you'd get things off of that internal SD at this stage. As a hint, these may well NOT be the same kernel/initrd as in the installer.
Once you've got the kernel/ramdisk, you can try to boot into them with fastboot. If that works (big if), then you'll want to be able to boot them without fastboot. That's where the 'fastboot flash:raw' command comes in. It takes a kernel/ramdisk, builds an android boot.img out of them, and flashes it to the device. From then on, the device will boot that kernel and ramdisk by default.
So, in theory this could work. The biggest potential stumbling block is whether X is going to natively support the graphics chip. If it doesn't, you may be stuck using the basic framebuffer driver, or maybe that won't even work at all. ...or you could just settle for the chroot method and be done with it
Good luck. I'm very interested to hear whether this works. I'm probably not going to try it myself since I like Android enough that I want to keep it around. I also can't walk you through this in finer detail because of external limits on my time, but I'd be happy to answer theoretical questions and specific technical questions, so long as you're willing to do the legwork of reading manpages and such I hope this works out for you!
Oh, one thing just occurred to me: skip the part in the installer about installing grub. It's not going to work on this device and may cause problems. You'll take care of the bootloader part yourself with the fastboot flash:raw command.
Oh, I see there's already some decent progress in this thread. Also it looks like I totally missed the -c option in fastboot that lets you pass kernel command-line arguments... that'll definitely be a time-saver. Given what I see over in that thread, it looks like we may actually get a reasonable native linux on our TF701t. Not sure how far the OP has gotten on things like mouse/keyboard input, though.
I have to say, I'm pretty excited! It'd be super cool to be able to dual-boot native linux and android on this tablet. Best of both worlds.
lexelby said:
How much work do you want to put into this? There are two options, the easy route that you probably will consider imperfect, and the much more complicated route that I'm not certain will work. I'll do my best to explain both.
The method I use is to install a linux distro (in my case, ubuntu) inside a chroot. There are several apps on the android market to help you set this up. The one I used sets up an Xvnc server, so you can view your linux desktop by using an android VNC viewer -- but it's just connecting locally, not going over the network.
This works nicely out of the box, but it's slow, partly because it's using the VNC protocol and partly because there's no 2d hardware acceleration. I tinkered with my setup and installed XSDL, a native android X server with hardware acceleration. I had to modify the linux startup script to skip starting Xvnc and instead connect to XSDL (which is on :0.0 like a normal X server).
This works great and is fairly fast. For me, this is a good compromise between a full-fledged linux laptop and the convenience of android apps written specifically for a multitouch screen. I generally do most of my stuff in Android, but I can drop into my Ubuntu desktop whenever I need more power.
The really big downside is that it's hard to prevent Android's low-memory killer from sacrificing XSDL when I haven't used it for awhile. I've mucked about with various solutions involving oom_score_adj and such, and that helps, but android still ends up killing my X server sometimes.
So, that's the easy method. For the more complicated method, I'm just theorizing, and this stuff may not work. You're going to need to either already have somewhat deep linux knowledge or be willing to learn Here goes.
In this post, I described how I managed to boot my tf701t after the internal memory card died a horrible death. The important bit here is that I learned how to boot any initrd/kernel combination using fastboot, and how to roll that combination into a boot.img so that the tablet always boots it. This is what you'll need to do both for the installation and for future boots into your Linux install.
First off, choose your Linux distro. I don't think you'll be able to use Mint, since, as someone pointed out above, there's no ARM build of Mint. However, there is an ARM build of Debian and Mint has the "debian edition", so maybe there is an ARM version. It may be, though, that the Mint folks only built their special stuff (Cinnamon/mate/whatever) for x86 platforms. I'd recommend Ubuntu as a compromise since I know it runs on the tf701t.
For the initial installation, put the contents of the install ISO onto an SD card -- just copying your bootable USB drive over should work. Now for the tricky bit: you'll need to pull the kernel and initrd ("ramdisk", "initial ramdisk" -- usually initrd-<something>.gz) off of the usb drive and into a working directory on a Linux laptop or desktop (let's call it the "host"). You might get away with just fastbooting this kernel/ramdisk directly. Install the fastboot package for your distro (Ubuntu has one, anyway). Connect up your tablet, put it in fastboot mode (I think that's done by booting with volume up and down held) and do 'fastboot boot <your kernel> <your ramdisk>'.
This will boot the kernel and load up the initrd, which is a tiny little linux filesystem stored in memory. The kernel runs a program called init inside the ramdisk and init takes over and boots into the actual installer. The question in my mind is how it goes about finding the ISO contents. If it searches by filesystem UUID, and there's a good chance that it does, then it will find your the ISO contents on the SD card just fine and the installer will start up.
If not, well, things will get a lot more complicated. Normally what one would do in a case like this would be to pass kernel command-line arguments (you do this in the SYSLINUX bootloader for distros like Ubuntu) telling it where to find the installation media. We can't do that because fastboot doesn't let you pass command-line arguments. Instead, you'd need to extract the initrd on the Host machine, modify the init script in some way to tell it where to find the installation media (probably /dev/block/mmcblk1p1), and then repackage it. I went into somewhat shallow detail on how to do the extract/repackage parts of this, but this is where either prior linux knowledge or a willingness to do some research comes in. Hints: gunzip the initrd, then use the cpio tool to extract it.
Okay, so let's say that you get the installer booting. The next big question is whether it's going to work at all. In theory the graphics chip inside the tf701t is supported by linux, but in practice, maybe it's only supported by a kernel module that Samsung built. Maybe you'd need to substitute the stock kernel. The next question is whether X has a module that will work with the graphics chip. But maybe even if it doesn't you can use a text-mode installer. That would at least let you get a system installed that you could then hack on to try to get X running.
So, let's say you do get linux installed (probably onto the internal SD card, /dev/block/mmcblk0). Now you want to boot it. You'll need to look into the installed system and steal its kernel and ramdisk, and get them onto the Host machine. Or maybe you could just extract them from the debian packages, since I'm not sure how you'd get things off of that internal SD at this stage. As a hint, these may well NOT be the same kernel/initrd as in the installer.
Once you've got the kernel/ramdisk, you can try to boot into them with fastboot. If that works (big if), then you'll want to be able to boot them without fastboot. That's where the 'fastboot flash:raw' command comes in. It takes a kernel/ramdisk, builds an android boot.img out of them, and flashes it to the device. From then on, the device will boot that kernel and ramdisk by default.
So, in theory this could work. The biggest potential stumbling block is whether X is going to natively support the graphics chip. If it doesn't, you may be stuck using the basic framebuffer driver, or maybe that won't even work at all. ...or you could just settle for the chroot method and be done with it
Good luck. I'm very interested to hear whether this works. I'm probably not going to try it myself since I like Android enough that I want to keep it around. I also can't walk you through this in finer detail because of external limits on my time, but I'd be happy to answer theoretical questions and specific technical questions, so long as you're willing to do the legwork of reading manpages and such I hope this works out for you!
Oh, one thing just occurred to me: skip the part in the installer about installing grub. It's not going to work on this device and may cause problems. You'll take care of the bootloader part yourself with the fastboot flash:raw command.
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Very stubborn
Sorry I didn't respond sooner as I was away with family for Christmas.
Thank you for the guide, it was extremely helpful. I am still working on getting the device ready so I'll update as I progress.
Thanks again
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From a development and user standpoint I am of course interested acquiring root for the android side of things but my main interest and focus on gaining the ability to modify and enhance the webtop image that provides the "full feature" capability for Firefox. So in a sense there is a goal for Double Root on Atrix. Rooting first the android side and then rooting the webtop Linux instance.
I am guessing from the looks of it that webtop is based on Ubuntu Light. It is also likely run in a VM otherwise the phone instance of android (Dalvik) and the Webtop could not run simultaneously. Given that the platform is probably something to the effect of:
Linux File System -----> Dalvik VM ------> Android Runtime
Linux File System -----> Some other VM? -------> Ubuntu Light
I am running under some assumptions (not having an Atrix till next week ):
* The "Some other VM" is not Dalvik since I don't think as an App VM.
So some of the questions I seek to answer right away are:
What VM is running (presumed) Ubuntu light
Does that VM have security around the disk image (singed)
Is the (Webtop disk image) encrypted/signed
What is needed to get root access on the Webtop side.
The best way to get root on the Webtop side is to go after the file system. I am guessing that will be signed but it MUST be writable at some level to save state.
Just a bunch of musings. I am looking forward to getting my atrix so I can start answering some questions.
I think getting root to one or the other will make it VERY easy to root ther other.
I for one hope it is ubuntu lite, or something debian based. Hopefully make it really easy to port over a full distro.
being able to boot into a full linux distro would be the cats meow!
i have full expectations of being able to do this within a month or two ;-)
Do you guys think it would be possible in the coming weeks/months to be able to boot into a full linux distro on the Atrix itself - without the laptop dock?? that would be ultimate awesomeness right there!
jgc121 said:
Do you guys think it would be possible in the coming weeks/months to be able to boot into a full linux distro on the Atrix itself - without the laptop dock?? that would be ultimate awesomeness right there!
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well the nexus one and nexus s and dell streak and motorola Droid (OG) could run ubuntu so I hope the atrix will.
emoose said:
Linux File System -----> Dalvik VM ------> Android Runtime
Linux File System -----> Some other VM? -------> Ubuntu Light
I am running under some assumptions (not having an Atrix till next week ):
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It's also possible that they have a Linux variant running on bare-metal, without a VM. I have seen some architectures in the embedded world that allow each CPU core to work together as a typical dual-core system, OR to boot a different OS kernel on each core.
The latter case would be the most interesting in terms of getting the most out of Linux on the Atrix, assuming the second OS can be rooted. This could (speaking with almost no knowledge of Android itself), also be another angle of attack/defeat though if that means the webtop linux kernel also needs to be signed...
Then again, a VM does make more sense in terms of the near-instant boot time of the WebTop mode.
I can't wait to see the "double root... oh my god... what does it mean???" Youtube video come out in a few weeks =)
If I can get a command prompt and root access on the Webtop instance I will sound just like the Double rainbow guy.
Things I believe to be true right now.
WebtopSession app initiates then session when you plug in HDMI. This is no different than any other peripheral launch.
WebtopSession app (speculating based on other posts) checks you connection type and provisioning. If you don't have a tethering plan it doesn't allow you ton continue. If you are on wifi it allows you to continue.
If you start off on WiFi and then change network state to mobile radio (and no tethering plan) will it discontinue the session?
The WebtopSession App doesn't look like it does anything other than manage the initiation of the Linux (Webtop) session.
There is nothing in the dumps that looks like it could remotely be a disk file which makes me think that there is a partition that is different that the normal android partitions. I would love to see a partition map of a rooted phone.
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Do you guys think it would be possible in the coming weeks/months to be able to boot into a full linux distro on the Atrix itself - without the laptop dock?? that would be ultimate awesomeness right there!
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im also wondering this!
edit: Erm. Whoops. A little bit of research and it turns out Motorola has left the code in for when they test the OS in "goldfish-qemu", an Android emulator. Sorry ><
It's got to be QEMU. In the retail firmware dump in /etc/init.goldfish.sh:
Code:
# call 'qemu-props' to set system properties from the emulator.
#
/system/bin/qemu-props
So what I'm thinking after parsing the information I've got...
... WEBTOP is simply a QEMU (ARM version?) instance running off of some unknown image/partition on flash that outputs to HDMI with some hackery to support local media [mounted in the host OS, Android] and local control and USB keyboard/mouse input, along with special extensions to allow for use of the Android/host OS instance within the VM.
labsONE said:
edit: Erm. Whoops. A little bit of research and it turns out Motorola has left the code in for when they test the OS in "goldfish-qemu", an Android emulator. Sorry ><
It's got to be QEMU. In the retail firmware dump in /etc/init.goldfish.sh:
Code:
# call 'qemu-props' to set system properties from the emulator.
#
/system/bin/qemu-props
So what I'm thinking after parsing the information I've got...
... WEBTOP is simply a QEMU (ARM version?) instance running off of some unknown image/partition on flash that outputs to HDMI with some hackery to support local media [mounted in the host OS, Android] and local control and USB keyboard/mouse input, along with special extensions to allow for use of the Android/host OS instance within the VM.
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So then you are saying it could be possible to do something like this:
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WindowsXPUnderQemuHowTo
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Do you guys think it would be possible in the coming weeks/months to be able to boot into a full linux distro on the Atrix itself - without the laptop dock?? that would be ultimate awesomeness right there!
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Running the webtop or a full distro without any docks will be just plain awesome...
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If I can get a command prompt and root access on the Webtop instance I will sound just like the Double rainbow guy.
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Oh maaan. Double root all the way What does it mean???
In all seriousness, the Atrix is certainly the most interesting phone from a developers standpoint, but I'm sitting and watching for a bit as I want to see how much of a problem the signed bootloader becomes first.
So does the Signed Bootloader rule out the Double root ? or changes to the Webtop APP/Module ?
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So does the Signed Bootloader rule out the Double root ? or changes to the Webtop APP/Module ?
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It depends. Signed bootloader refers to the fact that the phone boots only if certain partitions match the Moto signatures.
The question is, where does the Webtop mode boot from, and is any part of *that* boot process signed?
I don't know why you guys think it has to be running in a VM. It's more likely they have just install Xorg and Firefox on Android and run them, with X displaying on the HDMI.
Exactly the same as the ubuntu-on-android hacks, but instead of using VNC to view X, you just display it on HDMI.
The phone view is an X11 app which communicates with the Android system server to mirror the display.
I seriously doubt they are using QEMU or anything like that.
Bah! Edited post since my last one was way off.
Did some looking and it looks like qemu in this instance is related to running some proc emulator for android development sdk support.
There this is a bunch of stuff out if you google: android goldfish
Its related to ARM targets for the sdk and in this instance probably not webtop.
I'd still really like to see the output of:
adb shell
cat /proc/mtd
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I don't know why you guys think it has to be running in a VM. It's more likely they have just install Xorg and Firefox on Android and run them, with X displaying on the HDMI.
Exactly the same as the ubuntu-on-android hacks, but instead of using VNC to view X, you just display it on HDMI.
The phone view is an X11 app which communicates with the Android system server to mirror the display.
I seriously doubt they are using QEMU or anything like that.
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Agree. But from the DG's / dump could not find more interesting info except the WebtopSession.apk. I guess webtop stuff live in another patition which is actived when webtop session starting.
Could anyone who has a rooted Atrix dump the phone while webtop on?
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Agree. But from the DG's / dump could not find more interesting info except the WebtopSession.apk. I guess webtop stuff live in another patition which is actived when webtop session starting.
Could anyone who has a rooted Atrix dump the phone while webtop on?
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I don't have the webtop device. What about while the phone is plugged into the TV? If it'd help any just give me the steps and I'll do it.
Yes if you plug your phone into the tv it will be able to access webtop.
I've spent some (much) time this week with trying to get ubuntu running on the optimus 2x. I have succeeded to boot and get the wifi, X11 and the touch screen sort-of working.
The ramdisk is completely replaced with a busybox executable, some symlinks to it and a shell script that mounts the necessary stuff (/dev/block/mmcblk1p2 as ext3), changes root directory and calls /sbin/init.
USING THE FOLLOWING WILL VOID ANY WARRANTY YOU MIGHT HAVE LEFT AND MIGHT ALSO BRICK YOUR PHONE!
Seriously, don't do this if you don't wish to risk the data on your phone.
I will be providing some demo images for people who don't have a build environment up and running. These images will not work particularly well, don't get your hopes up .
If you want to have a big linux installation (more than 3 GB) you can flash the images to the second partition on your external sd (obviously you have to create this yourself first). You can use the following boot image (which assumes that linux is on /dev/block/mmcblk1p2 with ext3:
https://ha.xxor.net/o2x/boot-20110813.img
I have also targzipped the modifications to the file system that were required to get stuff going here:
https://ha.xxor.net/o2x/o2x-20110813.tar.gz
This should be extracted directly to the root file system.
The kernel source code is up at https://github.com/ergoen/LG-Optimus-2x-linux-kernel
Things that have been done to get this to "work":
1. Boot partition
Apart from grabbing the busybox stuff from some nexus one boot image (I'm sorry whoever fixed it, I don't remember where I got it from ) the boot command line had to be modified a bit, changing stuff from the default usually ends up in a phone that won't boot, but I discovered that it's possible to append new arguments to the default ones. So the following have been appended:
console=tty0 root=/dev/mmcblk1p2 init=/sbin/init
The console=tty0 makes sure that you see stuff on the screen while ubuntu get's running. The last two are not necessary to boot, but ubuntu seem to like (need?) them (or at least the init=/sbin/init), since otherwise you never get to the login prompt on the screen.
2. The Ubuntu installation
To make it possible to communicate with the phone at all adbd was put into the /sbin/ folder and a symlink was created /system/ -> /. Also the "/sbin/adbd recovery &" command was added to rc.local to make it autostart.
2.1. Modules and wifi
We need the /lib/modules/2.6.32.9 directory. Most files inside that were generated using the "depmod" command, the exception is wireless.ko which was taken from android, the firmware and nvram files needed for the wifi chip to work were placed in the /lib/firmware/wl/ folder. To make the wifi module autoload with the proper firmware "wireless" was added to /etc/modules and the file /etc/modprobe.d/wireless.conf was created with the contents describing the location of the firmware and nvram.
To make the wifi autoconnect on boot the /etc/network/interfaces file was modified with the following contents:
auto wlan0
iface wlan0 inet dhcp
wpa-driver wext
wpa-conf /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf
(To make the wifi autoconnect to your wireless you need to run the command "wpa_passphrase networkname networkpassword > /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf using adb or chroot)
2.2. X11
Getting X up by running xinit produces a simple black screen on the phone. At first I thought the problem was that the refresh rate was set to 106 Hz, indeed changing it with xrandr and pushing a new mode got me a visible xterm on Kubuntu 11.04:
https://ha.xxor.net/o2x/xterm.jpg.
On Ubuntu 10.10 it even gave me a nice colored gdm screen:
https://ha.xxor.net/o2x/gdm.jpg
But the image I got there was static and wasn't being updated. Turns out the reason the screen was black earlier with the 106 Hz rate and the reason why the screen is now just showing an image is that the framebuffer device doesn't update the screen like it should..
By modifying the kernel source to redraw the screen every 50 ms (~20 Hz) it's possible to get a scren that works. This is an ugly hack in the tegra-fb driver though, so I'm open for suggestions on how to solve it in a better way!
2.3. Touchscreen
By default the only thing the touchscreen does is force the mouse up in the left corner, I think this is due to some multitouch thing. Some more kernel hacking (basically half-disabling multitouch) makes the touchscreen work.
Pictures:
https://ha.xxor.net/o2x/SAM_0671.jpg
https://ha.xxor.net/o2x/SAM_0672.jpg
Video:
http://vimeo.com/27662093
Thans to RaYmAn and lilstevie on #tegralinux for all their help this far!
3. Misc
(K)Ubuntu 11.04 uses a new version of libc which crashes with the current nvidia kernel (2.6.32.9) on this hardware (http://developer.nvidia.com/tegra/forum/errata-657451-tls-bit-20-cp15-c13-3), so I'm going back to Ubuntu 10.10 until someone ports a newer kernel to the Optimus 2x or this problem can be solved in another way.
edit 1: Ubuntu 10.10 with much more working X11 noted in section 2.2.1.
edit 2: X11 working even more, touchscreen works aswell!
edit 3: Landscape mode works with both X11 and the touchscreen now, getting ready for alpha 1!
Current status:
Working:
- adb (best way of controlling device currently)
- X11 (only framebuffer with hardcoded refresh rate of ~20Hz)
- landscape mode fixed! =D
- touchscreen (probably only single touch)
- wifi (only when running things from console, ubuntus network manager does not recognize it)
Not working:
- Basically everything else
Alpha 1:
EDIT: Seems that multiupload has screwed up and this link was going to some crap, anyway this is not relevant anymore
Username 'ubuntu', password 'ubuntuxda'. Don't use this if you don't know how to restore the boot partition! (Or else you won't be able to boot back into android!)
Experiments:
Tried disabling the CONFIG_TEGRA_ERRATA_657451 switch in the kernel to make newer linux versions boot. This might be a bad idea in the long run, but this far things are working better than with the switch enabled..
I tried Ubuntu via chroot method posted in other thread, but I'm a noob.. Can you please explain what is different about your ubuntu?? Does it boot without Android and doesn't need VNC stuff?
Yes, it boots instead of android when turning on the phone, but it doesn't work completely, so I mostly put it up here so that people could help test and fix/hack things.
You rock! Unfortunately I'm no dev, so can't help but hopefully others will, so we'll get a fully working linux on our phone, and maybe later even meego. Is there btw drivers for the gpu? Because hdmi, with usb host ofc, would be really useful!
Anyway, good job, really!
This looks great ergoen! I'm no dev either but I can't wait until it's available to everyone, I would love to have Ubuntu running on my O2x.
Best of luck!
gpu drivers are closed source, and the ones released by nvidia require a newer kernel (2.6.38), so thats not really possible yet.
Newer kernel will be necessary anyway though, since the crashes I'm getting seems to be due to a bug in tegra which gets worked around in 2.6.36. I'm not skilled enough to perform that port though. I will of course give it a try, but most likely I'll go for some older version of ubuntu and/or perhaps meego instead.
Håller med tidigare poster. Would be awesome with native Ubuntu and Meego on the phone... keep up the good work, can't wait to follow this development.
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ergoen said:
... I realized that it tried to run the screen at [email protected], which is hmm, wrong . So setting up a script at /etc/xprofile, which makes sure the refresh rate is 60Hz...
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What would happen if you changed this to 72Hz instead? I saw that info when I was browsing System Information in some app. Im not a dev At. All. But tell me what you think it's probably a stupid question
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I can give it a try later, not that it would make any difference .
edit: 72 Hz also seems to work, cool, that's higher refresh rate than my computer screen...
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I've spent some (much) time this week with trying to get ubuntu running on the optimus 2x. I have succeeded to boot and get the wifi working, also X sort-of works (software fb). I have only slightly modified the kernel (built with CONFIG_SIGNALFD=y so that Meego wont complain in a related attempt to get that os booting). The ramdisk is completely replaced with a busybox executable, some symlinks to it and a shell script that mounts the necessary stuff (/dev/block/mmcblk1p2 as ext3), changes root directory and calls /sbin/init.
USING THE FOLLOWING WILL VOID ANY WARRANTY YOU MIGHT HAVE LEFT AND MIGHT ALSO BRICK YOUR PHONE!
Seriously, don't do this if you don't wish to risk the data on your phone.
I will not provide a complete root file system for two reasons:
1. It's pretty easy to make yourself, grab the omap3 kubuntu mobile image from the kubuntu site, or use rootstock from an ubuntu installation to build one yourself.
2. My upload sucks, and putting several hundred MB onto the interwebz would hurt me.
However, I have placed an image of my boot partition here (assumes you've got ubuntu on the second partition of the external memory card formatted with ext3):
https://ha.xxor.net/o2x/boot.img
I have also targzipeed the modifications to the file system that were required to get stuff going here:
https://ha.xxor.net/o2x/o2x.tar.gz
This should be extracted directly to the root file system you aquired earlier.
Things that have been done to get this to "work":
1. Boot partition
Apart from grabbing the busybox stuff from some nexus one boot image (I'm sorry whoever fixed it, I don't remember where I got it from ) the boot command line had to be modified a bit, changing stuff from the default usually ends up in a phone that won't boot, but I discovered that it's possible to append new arguments to the default ones. So the following have been appended:
console=tty0 root=/dev/mmcblk1p2 init=/sbin/init
The console=tty0 makes sure that you see stuff on the screen while ubuntu get's running. The last two are not necessary to boot, but ubuntu seem to like (need?) them (or at least the init=/sbin/init), since otherwise you never get to the login prompt on the screen.
2. The Ubuntu installation
To make it possible to communicate with the phone at all adbd was put into the /sbin/ folder and a symlink was created /system/ -> /. Also the "/sbin/adbdb recovery &" command was added to rc.local to make it autostart.
2.1. Modules and wifi
We need the /lib/modules/2.6.32.9 directory. Most files inside that were generated using the "depmod" command, the exception is wireless.ko which was taken from android, the firmware and nvram files needed for the wifi chip to work were placed in the /lib/firmware/wl/ folder. To make the wifi module autoload with the proper firmware "wireless" was added to /etc/modules and the file /etc/modprobe.d/wireless.conf was created with the contents describing the location of the firmware and nvram.
To make the wifi autoconnect on boot the /etc/network/interfaces file was modified with the following contents:
auto wlan0
iface wlan0 inet dhcp
wpa-driver wext
wpa-conf /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf
(To make the wifi autoconnect to your wireless you need to run the command "wpa_passphrase networkname networkpassword > /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf using adb or chroot)
2.2. X11
Getting X up by running xinit produces a simple black screen on the phone. After some troubleshooting and voodoo magic I realized that it tried to run the screen at [email protected], which is hmm, wrong . So setting up a script at /etc/xprofile, which makes sure the refresh rate is 60Hz, and running it after xinit gets you a xterm!!!
https://ha.xxor.net/o2x/xterm.jpg
Telling /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc to run it makes sure that it gets set up properly by the startx script, unfortunately startx doesn't go through for me on kubuntu because of some weird error caused by a hardware problem in tegra: (http://developer.nvidia.com/tegra/forum/errata-657451-tls-bit-20-cp15-c13-3).
Unfortunately this (probably) means that either we'll have to stay with old versions of libc or get a newer kernel (2.6.36 contains fix). Old libc seems backwards, but porting a new kernel requires a bit more skill than I possess.
2.2.1. Ubuntu 10.10
Grabbed the image ubuntu-netbook-10.10-preinstalled-netbook-armel+omap.img.gz from http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-netbook/ports/releases/maverick/release/ . After first unpacking the tgz, then unpacking the raw disk image to partition images (with 7zip on windows) and then flashing the 1.img file to the second partition on my sdcard I managed to run a much more bug free ubuntu than before.
Ubuntu 10.10 (Maverick) uses an older version of som libraries that don't crash with the old o2x kernel.
This has lead to the following:
https://ha.xxor.net/o2x/gdm.jpg
Obviously touch screen isn't working properly (pressing it puts the pointer into the upper left corner :S) so can't get further than this currently.
3. Misc
avahi-daemon and cups seems to be crashing all the time and restarting, so removing them (apt-get purge if ubuntu/kubuntu) will make the boot much cleaner. Also I get lots of alignment trap kind of errors that shouldn't be there for different kinds of services, (due to tegra bug mentioned earlier).
edit 1: Ubuntu 10.10 with much more working X11 noted in section 2.2.1
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Its good you got it to work.Saves me some work.I was gonna begin this project my self after the 19th when my exams end.Maybe i could help you.
ergoen said:
I can give it a try later, not that it would make any difference .
edit: 72 Hz also seems to work, cool, that's higher refresh rate than my computer screen...
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Most computer screens usually support atleast 72hz also, it's just that it only works with d-sub, and sometimes only at a lower resolution.. It's possible to make special drivers to some screens to enable higher refresh rate through dvi also.
Anyway, it's good the screen on the phone refreshes at 72hz instead of 60 for android, but in linux I really don't see the benefit.. Doesn't hurt to have though. Btw, if we would stay on this kernel, can we use the drivers from android then? Shouldn't gpu also work? Or are the drivers limited and don't allow xorg for example? Sorry if it's stupid question, don't have that much knowledge how android works yet.
Update: X11 and touchscreen work on Ubuntu 10.10 Maverick with new kernel (just a few hacks )!
manasgirdhar: sure! Lot's of things to do new kernel is needed for anything newer than ubuntu 10.10, and even here things like sound etc (cpu scaling maybe too) don't work.
kruppin: actually i removed the xorg.conf now, the phone thinks its running at 106 Hz and it works. Unfortunately in practice it goes at more like 20 Hz because of the hack I made to enable the fbdev output in the kernel. Android doesn't use X11, so those drivers wont be of any use. (I will post the kernel modifications to github soon)
edit: kernel source up on https://github.com/ergoen/LG-Optimus-2x-linux-kernel
A List of Things working at 2nd Post would be nice.
So anybody could fast see Updates,...
Edit:
Have you tried some "cleaner" Linux like Debian?
Alpha 1 is up in the second post for anyone who wants to test it (don't ^^).
I have not tried debian no, I thought ubuntu would be the easiest to google errors and bugs for .
You are great! i was hopin' for this since I have mine. You should try to make usb(otg) work to get some devices going i will try to test it soon
That's amazing We have to test USB OTG function. If it works by default, I'll try this right now
It is possible to make a dual-boot: ubuntu and android?
I don't think usb otg works since I am basically using the android version of the kernel, I also won't be able to try since I don't have a cable... (will buy one sooner or later).
Dual boot probably works if you flash the boot.img onto the recovery partition instead of the boot partition (/dev/block/mmcblk0p7 instead of /dev/block/mmcblk0p5). I have not tried this though. That way regular booting would give android and booting while holding volume down would give ubuntu, only problem with this is that cwm will be gone and the only way to fix broken things would be to flash with nvflash.
well it is not a major deal if have cifs avail needs kernel support as well. Benee mentioned (might) some otg support, mayb u could ask.
also, you might give E17 a try, it is butter-fast, and has a touch module for keyboard (letter zooming.!..) LINK
this can be compiled on a lot of hw, and gives good response with fbdev non-accel drivers also.
and most linux apps work on it fine. ofc until we have 2d/3d accel and might try compiz/fusion as well
LINK
Great job ergoen!
I've worked on exactly the same some weeks ago but i never accomplished it. because i stuck creating a working ramdisk. Which toolchain do you use?
MfG
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1119555
Logically speaking, this application should also work with the Bionic correct?
Just wondering, if its deemed safe in this thread to attempt using, I will try it and post back with results.
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Okay, so I just backed up everything and tried the app, which won't work due to the fact that it checks the phone model number, Theres a manual guide to get ubuntu running on the atrix, and I'm going to start from scratch there. Probably going to be a couple of days before I do anything since I need a new microhdmi...
I tried the app that comes with it to partition the sdcard but it does a device check then it stops with an error message that the device is not an Olympus (Atrix). Maybe we can get the dev to check on the differences, albeit small, for the Atrix and the Bionic.
Worth a shot. I've been playing around with /osh for a few days but had to reflash to stock due to the lapdock staying on the screensaver.
Hey guys, I am working on the same thing at the moment trying to port over Sogarth's method of unlocking the 10.10 maverick build of Ubuntu on our phones.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1000316
The link here is for his old automated .bat script he made for the Atrix that I believe will work for our phones with a little modification to it to reflect Maverick packages instead of the Jaunty packages for their phones.
Please jump into the irc in my sig because I would like to get this going as well.
I would hop in IRC but I'm about to head out the door.
I'm currently approaching this situation from two directions:
1.) I'm dumping /osh/ (webtop partition) and uploading it to dropbox as soon as I can get a complete dump. (hopefully tonight) and providing it to the original Atrix dev to see if he can hook us up with an app to help do whats needed
2.) I'm also attempting the manual method as soon as I get a new microHDMI cable (I was using a cheap adapter).
You are 100% correct though, you should be able to get that install script working just by changing the packages to reflect the updated Ubuntu. MAKE SURE you backup ANY files before you change them (and preferably a complete backup of /osh/. Since we have SU on our phones we have free reign over the /osh partition, so be careful in there.
OT: I can't wait until we can get on-demand CPU overclocking for this thing... if it clocks as well as past mobile chips... Toggle 1.2-1.4ghz and plug it in the LapDock. You'd have a damned fine netbook...
(Not necessarily talking to any experienced users or noobs, the disclaimer about Linux & SU is for everyone reading this thread - I'm relatively experienced in the Linux world... and I need to be reminded of SU's power sometimes.)
I just realized that their phone's Ubuntu distribution is under the 9.x series versus the 10.x series. A lot of Major changes happened to Ubuntu between 9.x and 10.x that affected the way the operating system talked to devices and booted, they stopped using HAL and moved to a new boot method, I am uncertain whether or not the install script will work or not, though I'm somewhat confident it will, given the nature of webtop (Android does the hardware abstraction, and the booting, we just run a second set of executable's on a different X window session attached to a different display) This should mean that the portions that would normally prevent us from just duplicated the script are omitted from the Ubuntu distribution entirely. As long as we keep a backup we should still be fine.
No worries, just remember to keep FXZ and RSD handy. I've screwed up the /osh partition a couple times but that has saved me from complete disaster so far
Good call on bringing this up. Let me know if you need to test anything for this.
@xaero252
So I modified Sogarth's script to use Maverick build of all the tools it downloads and installs but the problem with the script is that it needs the phone to have the ro.secure=0 so that ADB always launches with root access without manually initiating su each line of code. I am not sure if there is a way around it or if we have to modify the script differently. Anywho, I've upload a copy of the work I've done to the script.
Is it just an sh script? If so and ut doesn't reboot the phone at all you could launch a SU terminal and do "su sh script.sh"
oh i see the issue now... we would have to be able to edit the boot loader for that method... if i'm correct though his android app doesnt use the pc for much... if you change that variable on boot do you think it woukd work?
Hmm, I have an idea, its not as polished as the pc based script, however it should still work presuming you can get a SU terminal to run on the phone ( I happen to have one running right now ) I'm going to see if I can't adapt that to a bash script. probably going to take a while.
Curiously we happen to have a 1.5gb partition for Ubuntu on built in memory, where as the atrix only had a 600 or so mb partition... This is great because we should likely be able to continue to install /, /boot and such to internal memory, and use the sd card (even left as ntfs) for /home...
Couple of things: reading through the script it looks like 100% of the commands he runs could be run on the phone via a bash script run as su. The idea is this: convert the entire script over to bash, copy the script, and the required files to the phone, and execute the script from the phone. The only other concern I can see is the wget package included with the script not being compatible with maverick, which doesn't seem likely.
I'm gonna start working on rewriting the script linux native. My idea is to use a terminal emulator (they are free on the market) and run su script.sh and pray. I need to get a new microHDMI before I do this though, so I can test my results reliably.
xaero252 said:
Is it just an sh script? If so and ut doesn't reboot the phone at all you could launch a SU terminal and do "su sh script.sh"
oh i see the issue now... we would have to be able to edit the boot loader for that method... if i'm correct though his android app doesnt use the pc for much... if you change that variable on boot do you think it woukd work?
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As far as correcting that, no one has attempted doing custom kernels yet so to do the edit to get root access out of the gate is moot at this point.
Hmm, I have an idea, its not as polished as the pc based script, however it should still work presuming you can get a SU terminal to run on the phone ( I happen to have one running right now ) I'm going to see if I can't adapt that to a bash script. probably going to take a while.
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Your linux skills are probably 10 folds better than mine but I believe if you convert my modified script, which has all the necessary links to the correct packages for our phone, then it might just work.
Curiously we happen to have a 1.5gb partition for Ubuntu on built in memory, where as the atrix only had a 600 or so mb partition... This is great because we should likely be able to continue to install /, /boot and such to internal memory, and use the sd card (even left as ntfs) for /home...
Couple of things: reading through the script it looks like 100% of the commands he runs could be run on the phone via a bash script run as su. The idea is this: convert the entire script over to bash, copy the script, and the required files to the phone, and execute the script from the phone. The only other concern I can see is the wget package included with the script not being compatible with maverick, which doesn't seem likely.
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The WGET I packaged in the .zip is the correct for Maverick along with all the files in the \bin directory are corrected to match our phone. If you can convert all this to a bash script, that would be awesome instead having to do each command via ADB Shell. The only problem I had with this is every time I tried to run the DPKG command on the .deb I downloaded manually, it threw up an error saying it could not find the file or destination.
On a side note, you are correct that we have 1.5gb partition opposed to their 700mb so we could honestly forget the part about creating a ubuntu.disk on the /data partition and modify the /osh directly for now until the time we need more space. After that, we can see if Sogarth will incorporate your script into his Webtop2sd app or we could make a 3gb ubuntu.disk on the /data partition since we have plenty of space there.
I'm gonna start working on rewriting the script linux native. My idea is to use a terminal emulator (they are free on the market) and run su script.sh and pray. I need to get a new microHDMI before I do this though, so I can test my results reliably.
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Make sure you get the adapter as well to trigger Webtop cause at the moment our phone wont do webtop directly over HDMI without the HD Dock, Webtop adapter or Laptop dock. If you want to test the script out for now, hit me with the script and I will test it for ya
Since we got a x86 cpu i want to use ubuntu on it, as im from germany i still dont have my I but has anybody tried linux on android?
Adam Outler mentioned something that this would not work...
Btw can somebody tell me what the kernel version is..?
Sorry mods for (possibly) posting in the wrong section :/
//Robert
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Robbilie said:
Since we got a x86 cpu i want to use ubuntu on it, as im from germany i still dont have my I but has anybody tried linux on android?
Adam Outler mentioned something that this would not work...
Btw can somebody tell me what the kernel version is..?
Sorry mods for (possibly) posting in the wrong section :/
//Robert
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Kernel version is 3.0.8.
If you can install linux distros on the backend of rooted ARM devices it should make sense we could do the same....maybe
Ubuntu on a RAZR I ? Linux x86 apps + windows apps with wine without even recompile? I think this devece needs some love. It can be the next HTC HD2 for shure.
I dont understand the htc comparison
But i have your ideas about no need to recompile and wine in mind too...
But i understand adam because linux for android is compiled for arm achitecture so a usual desktop image would make more sense...
Why is the kernel version so low?!
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What we need to do
I have a friend with this device, after rooting he reports there is no chroot command from terminal. If so we must:
Compile busybox (with more extensions) for x86 and install it alongside root (or after root)
Make a mountable image from an ubuntu clean install and mount it (probably also needs busybox)
chroot into this mounted image
run a vnc X server on a framebuffer
vnc from android
This is how it is done on other android devices, will attempt to compile and try these instructions out this weekend when I meet him but booting native ubuntu is a much better idea (even better if we can make it receive calls ).
And for what Windows on 4,3 inches display? It dont have hdmi.
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The micro usb is acting like hdmi with adapter...
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Go look up the HTC HD2. It can run Windows Phone 7 and Android dual-booted (with Linux from SDCard), and was originally the last, albeit most powerful, Windows Mobile 6 phone ever made.
Even though it is four years old, there is a massive and vibrant dev community behind it, making it reach the front page of XDA forums.
However, even the venerable HD2 is getting old, with 1GHz processor and half a gig of RAM that was top-of-the-line years ago, and people have looked in vain for some kind of successor. Hopefully, the Razr I, with an unlockable bootloader and Intel processor, will be the one. But that remains for us to do.
pablocrossa said:
I have a friend with this device, after rooting he reports there is no chroot command from terminal. If so we must:
Compile busybox (with more extensions) for x86 and install it alongside root (or after root)
Make a mountable image from an ubuntu clean install and mount it (probably also needs busybox)
chroot into this mounted image
run a vnc X server on a framebuffer
vnc from android
This is how it is done on other android devices, will attempt to compile and try these instructions out this weekend when I meet him but booting native ubuntu is a much better idea (even better if we can make it receive calls ).
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So I tried this out and there is a chroot-compatible busybox after rooting ("busybox chroot" needs to be called as opposed to "chroot" as there is no properly made link), so anyone with this phone can try (using a PC) install Ubuntu without the grub bootloader using manual partitioning on a single ext3 (I am not sure if ICS supports ext4) partition on a microsd, put into your phone, use a root terminal, mount it, mount the adequate dev, dev/pts, proc and sys partitions and chroot right in. You then might want to install a VNC server in Ubuntu to be able to create a VNC X session in a framebuffer and a VNC client on the android side to VNC into localhost (127.0.0.1), but that should work, I didn't have time to try it this weekend If someone gets stuck post and let us see what happens I cannot wait to see if wine can run desktop Spotify with sound, excited a little hehe.
EDIT: So to make this more understandable you must:
Install Ubuntu (using your computer) to a MicroSD, specifying partitions manually and choosing only a single ext3. Right before clicking install there is a button with something along the lines of "Advanced options", disable the install the bootloader (grub) option.
Insert the MicroSD into the phone and open a root terminal
I don't use Android, maybe it automounts in /media/sdcard or /sdcard, if not you will have to find the device and partition name (probably /dev/mmcblk0p1 or /dev/sdb1) and issue "mount /dev/DEVICEPARTITION /media/sdcard"
mount -t proc proc /media/sdcard/proc
mount -o bind /dev/ /media/sdcard/dev/
mount -t devpts devpts /media/sdcard/dev/pts
busybox chroot /media/sdcard /bin/bash
Now a shell from Ubuntu should open. apt-get update && apt-get install vncserver (maybe the DNS settings must be set in /etc/resolv.conf, not yet sure)
vncserver (or start vncserver, something along those lines)
Now from Android install a VNC viewer and vnc into 127.0.0.1 (or localhost)
That should do it, again if you get stuck post here
i had htc hd2, the most amazing phone in the world. I wanna buy the rarz i for the x86 processor in it. But cpu power without community and developers is nothing :|
Sorry for my bad english.
Yesterday we tried something:
We used dd to put an arch linux image on a micro sd card...
Though my laptop wasnt even able to boot from any sd card, this should work on our phone...
but how to make it boot from the sd card? xD
btw you might have noticed, this will make only linux boot, not android, we dont chroot, may somebody build a simple ubuntu img for complete linux installer?
//Robert
so right now i am trying to chroot into an img file, mounting it and then chrooting it but all i get is:
chroot: can't execute '/system/bin/sh': No such file or directory
whats wrong?
Robbilie said:
The micro usb is acting like hdmi with adapter...
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Razr i MHL capable???
as far as i know, sadly not no
Ok so finally I got Ubuntu Quetzal running with chroot, still some problems (missing randr extension in vnc) but ill get over this
Hey,
great work. :good:
Good to see there are people with the same ideas. I´ve searched a lot for this thread.
I will also try to get this device for the same reasons when it´s cheaper. Has anybody tried to get Plasma Active or Tizen to run?
I think Active should now be possible through kubuntu Active?
Cheers!
Hi all
At first you can try a application from play store called Linux installer
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.zpwebsites.linuxonandroid
Otherwise you can wait some weeks for an nexus 7 Ubuntu port witch looks really interesting.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1957561
Ahhh maybe have a look at the andrinux project here at xda
[/COLOR]Here's the andrinux link
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1387105
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Robbilie said:
Ok so finally I got Ubuntu Quetzal running with chroot, still some problems (missing randr extension in vnc) but ill get over this
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thanks for your post on preparing an arch image (I don't have permision to post in devel forum, maybe because I'm a newbie ), It worked well for me although I had to adjust some things such as path and pts mount
I now have a gcc toolchain and a latex distrib on my phone I had never used arch, found it very good
I've also tried some window managers ... the one I find best for the moment is enlightenment in the touchscreen mode, awesome works great as well.
I would also suggest to use Hacker's keyboard instead of stock android, it is a complete keyboard, very usefull when dealing with terminals ... as for VNC viewer, one should recompile android-vnc-viewer with the patches given in Issues 238 and 239 (can't post links either), it's a lot better
I've had a lot of fun, thanks
First, Complete Linux Installer doesnt work because its images are compiled for arm not x86 (i tried )
Secondly, I did a tutorial here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1966984
the nexus 7 stuff is interesting and we consider making flashable fastboot for the razr i since we dont have cwm or such you know
i am talking to jordan keyes who recently owned a nexus 7 who probably will try out the ubu stuff and i might get some system info
but i would really prefer a dual boot, capable of booting from sd...
I came across this site today:
http://www.pvsm.ru/wine/10369
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I don't know if this could possibly help you any further but I thought that I might as well post it.
(I know this thread maybe should belong to Development forum, but I'm posting here since I don't have enough posts to discuss there yet)
I'm in the second year of Computer Science, being a dynamic/interpreted languages programmer for over 6 years now, C/C++ for 2 years.
I have a solid understanding on the x86 PC architecture: interrupts, buses, etc. I'm pretty good at basic x86 assembly... Been studying UEFI for over a month... Whatever.
I've lost the past couple hours searching but didn't find anything on the architecture of our device. Is the "Bootloader" here compared to a BIOS? Or is it like any PC bootloader (MS-DOS, Windows, Linux bootloaders). Is there anything like a BIOS at all or does the OS, once booted, manages all the hardware interrupts by itself? Can I use INT 10H on XT890? Is it ANYTHING close to the PC architecture?
PCI, ISA, (parallel and serial) "ports" managed by a chipset between the peripherals and the x86 core itself?
Ok, it's x86. Once the system has booted, we can call x86 instructions, ok... But what is under that? Is there any reference on this? How can I boot my own code, if it's not Linux?
I really got nowhere trying to learn about the architecture underneath Android and Motorola's Bootloader on Medfield. Found nothing on Intel nor Motorola websites. What am I doing wrong?
Thanks in advance!
I'm studying this myself but there is a lot that i need to learn. Check those to see if helps.
http://bootloader.wikidot.com/android
http://elinux.org/Android_Booting
http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/library/l-linuxboot/
I would like more info about the RAZR I as well, considering it's the only mainstream phone with a x86 processor I'd expect more documentation about it, I am receiving a RAZR I soon.
For what I know, it's boot process is similar to other Android devices, it loads and decompresses a boot.img file that includes a ramdisk and the kernel, you should be able to load another non-linux OS by chainloading a secondary bootloader there, I honestly would like to see more development on the Razr i, specifically to get native Gnu-linux with x11 running
Using @thiagomtl's links, I was able to understand a little more about the Boot process. XT890 seems to have basically the same mechanics of the ARM ones, but x86 tuned.
However I'm yet to understand the differences between "normal" Linux bootstrapping and the Android Bootloader's one.
On a average legacy Linux box we have GRUB/LILO on the MBR. Making a hell of a simplification here: The user turns the PC on, BIOS does the POST and then loads whatever code is on the MBR. GRUB is a very small program there, which simply loads a driver for the storage device, loads vmlinuz and the f*ing ramdisk on the memory and executes it (effectively by simply pointing the IP to the address where the kernel is on the memory).
Samuelgames said:
I would like more info about the RAZR I as well, considering it's the only mainstream phone with a x86 processor I'd expect more documentation about it, I am receiving a RAZR I soon.
For what I know, it's boot process is similar to other Android devices, it loads and decompresses a boot.img file that includes a ramdisk and the kernel, you should be able to load another non-linux OS by chainloading a secondary bootloader there, I honestly would like to see more development on the Razr i, specifically to get native Gnu-linux with x11 running
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But the Boot process is just a part of my original question. Ok, a important one, but a part.
What about the structure of the device? How it's all implemented? Is the display using plain old VESA VBE? Are the input devices PS/2? USB? Is the power implemented using ACPI standards? lol
As far as I'm concerned Atom SoC doesn't respect many industry standards for the architecture, even for those who run Windows 8, buttons on the Razr I should be naturally be defined as GPIO as the notification LED, I don't think the display respects VESA standards (SGX 540 can't even do scaling) but it should fallback to them at some extent depending on how you initialize the framebuffer.
All of this should be in the Motorola kernel, I haven't taken a look at it but I'll surely will once I get my phone
@Hazou, @YaPeL, @Omar-Avelar
you guys know anything about this?
Ok this is all i know about it by searching through the code and internet and by finding out myself (no sources included, just my memory). It's all linux, nothing like Windows.
Kernel:
We indeed are making a x86 kernel, but not for normal PC's. We use the mid-x86 implementation within the x86 code of the kernel. (arch/x86/platform/mid-x86) MID is the intel word for all the socs for mobile platforms intel is using. The normal upstream linux doesn't provide all the necessary code. And is has changed with the new android version 4.4.2 for our device.
Boot sequence:
The android devices use some sort of bootloader. Droidboot. Droidboot includes the fastboot commands and starts the bringup of the android system. You can read about it on the internet. In most devices (ARM) it is the first thing thats get called for.
Our intel device is a little different. Before the droidboot gets loaded the firmware of the device loads another OS. Also called POS (i think preprocessor OS, or something). Those gets updated with the dix and efwi(wrong name) files we got. The POS can be accessed by booting in the medfield download through the camera button, if i am correct. The POS then loads the droidboot which will in turn load the rest, like a linux device which loads from the bootloader.
The partition layout can be found in the gpt.bin. It can be flashed through fastboot and can change every partition afaik.
So the boot order is:
1. POS/RADIO
2. DROIDBOOT
3. BOOT.IMG is like linux. First the kernel then the ramdisk with the kernel modules.
4. ANDROID
To comment about the JB implementation.
We can build our own kernel and we can, if we want and take the time, upgrade the kernel to the newest version (for android is that 3.10, but we should be able to manage to go fully upstream 3.17). But that takes a lot of time.
I also noticed that, from what i heard, some kernel modules specific for our device has changed and now the kernel that we have can't load the new firmware files in 4.4. So we will need the next kernel from Moto to compile our own when 4.4.2 is released. Those changed are not upstream.
Hazou said:
The POS then loads the droidboot which will in turn load the rest, like a linux device which loads from the bootloader.
The partition layout can be found in the gpt.bin. It can be flashed through fastboot and can change every partition afaik.
So the boot order is:
1. POS/RADIO
2. DROIDBOOT
3. BOOT.IMG is like linux. First the kernel then the ramdisk with the kernel modules.
4. ANDROID
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This is the most interesting part for hundreds of us. Is there a way we can find what sectors are used for the pos so we can possibly repair code corrupt?
I have a feeling the gpt is messed up so any amount of writing to the dnx or ifwi will be in the wrong location.
I can't find any information on this phone at all.
I think it's time I bought a spare mobo and dumped everything to compare a broken to working
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This is the most interesting part for hundreds of us. Is there a way we can find what sectors are used for the pos so we can possibly repair code corrupt?
I have a feeling the gpt is messed up so any amount of writing to the dnx or ifwi will be in the wrong location.
I can't find any information on this phone at all.
I think it's time I bought a spare mobo and dumped everything to compare a broken to working
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If i am correct they are present on the partition layout of the phone. I just don't know wish ones are the right ones. Never looked good enough at that.
Also to repair the gpt and write the dnx or ofwi to the right location u need a dd command or flash command with the right parameters. The flash command most likely won't work because of the gpt partition and the DD command wont either because most of the time u don't have access to a recovery anymore.
But my knowledge about this is limited, so if u dare to put your phone on the line and have maybe the knowledge and skills to do what some people need, please do I can't and need my phone working
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If i am correct they are present on the partition layout of the phone. I just don't know wish ones are the right ones. Never looked good enough at that.
Also to repair the gpt and write the dnx or ofwi to the right location u need a dd command or flash command with the right parameters. The flash command most likely won't work because of the gpt partition and the DD command wont either because most of the time u don't have access to a recovery anymore.
But my knowledge about this is limited, so if u dare to put your phone on the line and have maybe the knowledge and skills to do what some people need, please do I can't and need my phone working
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Skills/knowledge = limited. I'm no programmer but I take information in like a 100 petabyte SSD.
My phones knackered, I'm trying to fix it but it's not easy! If it's fixed, I'll break it again to make sure the fix works :good:
It's going to be a long road, there is zero success since the first report of code corrupt.
As you say, I need the right param. There's almost no information about it anywhere and what information is about is very fragmented.
I'll keep you updated
Flacid Monkey said:
Skills/knowledge = limited. I'm no programmer but I take information in like a 100 petabyte SSD.
My phones knackered, I'm trying to fix it but it's not easy! If it's fixed, I'll break it again to make sure the fix works :good:
It's going to be a long road, there is zero success since the first report of code corrupt.
As you say, I need the right param. There's almost no information about it anywhere and what information is about is very fragmented.
I'll keep you updated
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I am almost certain it can be fixed as long as it is a software failure (some maybe have a hardware failure). As this seems one of them it should be fixable as long as your BL is unlocked. With a locked bootloader u don't stand any chance (nah, maybe with medfield flasher, but that one is also limited).
Take a look at the acer padphone or something. Dunno how it is called exactly. Is also uses the intel SOC and makes use of the medfield flasher.
I never had a phone thats corrupt so can't say much about it, but i can help with thinking my way through. If u have that problem can u boot in fastboot or is that even impossible? I know we can flash the POS and fastboot through xfstk. So with the right combination it should work. And if not we can try flash the modem as extra if that is possible. But do know it can hard-brick the device (modem, lowest thing of the device) of-course, aldo u don't have much choice now
Another thing, because fastboot (and even recovery) can flash the dix, ifwi and bootloader files. I 'assume' xfstk (that can also flash the ifwi, dix and bootloader) can flash the whole emmc with indeed the right parameters. We have the source code of the fastboot/recovery ifwi, dix and bootloader flasher. Also called update_osip.
So think it out, i will wait and see.
uart console
Has somebody tried to access a uart console on our razr-i? would be nice for debugging.
Intels datasheet says the board has 3 uart ports. http://ark.intel.com/products/70097
I hope one uart port can be accessed via usb or audio jack. Like on this device: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1081743
Or is it only possible with opening the phone and looking for jtag pins?