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First post here, be easy on me. I love this Nexus S, my first android phone, but man this battery issue has really bothered me. I would wake up in the morning, take my phone off the charger and immediately be at 96%. After 15 minutes of checking emails and surfing, I would be below 90% by the time I got to work an hour later. I was spending half the day charging my battery, so I decided to order 2 OEM batteries and a wall charger off Ebay.
Well little I did I know that this would solve two problems. First, the wall charger charges the batteries to 100% and provides significantly more life. For some reason the phone does not let the battery truly get to 100%. Second, when I get home from work or wherever, I can just pop in another battery and be fully charged again. Now I don't have to sit and worry about charging my battery all the dang time, and my batteries are lasting much longer to boot using the wall charger. I am not sure I can post links yet, so what I ordered was an M9P wall charger for like $10 and a couple extra OEM batteries for $10/per on Ebay. I ordered from US sellers so I didnt have to wait weeks also. You might be able to find cheaper if you order from a hong kong seller. Anyway, I hope this helps someone as frustrated as me.
This has been posted MANY MANY times.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=882679
No trickle charge is applied because lithium-ion is unable to absorb overcharge. A continuous trickle charge above 4.05V/cell would causes plating of metallic lithium that could lead to instabilities and compromise safety. Instead, a brief topping charge is provided to compensate for the small self-discharge the battery and its protective circuit consume. … Typically, the charge kicks in when the open terminal voltage drops to 4.05V/cell and turns off at a high 4.20V/cell.
There is a whole lot more info on that site, but I’ll sum up the excerpt, if you continually charge a Lithium Ion battery, it will degrade, and worst case explode, but hey, at least it looks cool when it does.
Just don’t end up like others have, for example, a Chinese man who took his phone off the charger, put it in his pocket, and then it exploded. To read a little more about that, check out EnGadget, if you want to see the phone, Tech-Ex. Here’s another one, no one was killed, but it burst into flames, over on PCWorld.
http://www.ziggy471.com/2011/01/02/overcharging-batteries/
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IMO. I rather have it sit at 95% than to have my phone catch on fire. Better safe than sorry.
I've been charging my mobile devices to 100% for years with no issues. I'm not too worried about it since I don't mod my phone. All I wanted to do was have a battery that lasts and I now have that. Thank you.
turbodroid said:
First, the wall charger charges the batteries to 100% and provides significantly more life.
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Have you actually measured this, or is it just a "gut feeling"?
Now I don't have to sit and worry about ...
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There's an app medication for that ...
in the end charging via USB/PC gets a fuller charge because its more of a trickle, though it can be dangerous
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Have you actually measured this, or is it just a "gut feeling"?
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The battery level reads a full 100% when I plug the fully charged battery in. I just changed battery again this morning.
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in the end charging via USB/PC gets a fuller charge because its more of a trickle, though it can be dangerous
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From what I am seeing and how much longer my battery is lasting, I am getting a fuller charge and WAY longer battery life charging batteries in the wall charger. I had the same issue as many others with this phone. The battery wouldn't charge to 100% and general battery life is pretty poor. I thought my phone was bad so I exchanged it and the battery life was identical.
I recommend everyone who questions my results, if you have a spare $20 and are sick of the poor battery performance of this phone to get a wall charger and spare OEM battery off Ebay or wherever. Theories are nice and everyone has one but I'll take real world results over theories any day.
turbodroid said:
First post here, be easy on me. I love this Nexus S, my first android phone, but man this battery issue has really bothered me. I would wake up in the morning, take my phone off the charger and immediately be at 96%. After 15 minutes of checking emails and surfing, I would be below 90% by the time I got to work an hour later. I was spending half the day charging my battery, so I decided to order 2 OEM batteries and a wall charger off Ebay.
Well little I did I know that this would solve two problems. First, the wall charger charges the batteries to 100% and provides significantly more life. For some reason the phone does not let the battery truly get to 100%. Second, when I get home from work or wherever, I can just pop in another battery and be fully charged again. Now I don't have to sit and worry about charging my battery all the dang time, and my batteries are lasting much longer to boot using the wall charger. I am not sure I can post links yet, so what I ordered was an M9P wall charger for like $10 and a couple extra OEM batteries for $10/per on Ebay. I ordered from US sellers so I didnt have to wait weeks also. You might be able to find cheaper if you order from a hong kong seller. Anyway, I hope this helps someone as frustrated as me.
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Battery life is actually pretty good on this phone. Try owning the evo. I never seen a phone with worst battery life.
turbodroid said:
From what I am seeing and how much longer my battery is lasting, I am getting a fuller charge and WAY longer battery life charging batteries in the wall charger. I had the same issue as many others with this phone. The battery wouldn't charge to 100% and general battery life is pretty poor. I thought my phone was bad so I exchanged it and the battery life was identical.
I recommend everyone who questions my results, if you have a spare $20 and are sick of the poor battery performance of this phone to get a wall charger and spare OEM battery off Ebay or wherever. Theories are nice and everyone has one but I'll take real world results over theories any day.
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Hey Turbodroid,
Can't find this wall charger of which you speak. If you can't post a link, please give more info on it so I can search for it. That and the batteries as well.
Thanks
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Hey Turbodroid,
Can't find this wall charger of which you speak. If you can't post a link, please give more info on it so I can search for it. That and the batteries as well.
Thanks
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I can't post links yet, but I sent you a PM. On Ebay, search for M9P Charger and the only result that comes up is the one you want. Then search for OEM Battery Nexus S and pick whatever one you want.
EDIT - Here are the links I used
Charger - http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=150546613705&ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT
OEM Battery - http://cgi.ebay.com/NEW-OEM-GENUINE...199674?pt=PDA_Accessories&hash=item20b6d2767a
turbodroid said:
From what I am seeing and how much longer my battery is lasting, I am getting a fuller charge and WAY longer battery life charging batteries in the wall charger.
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"WAY longer battery life"? Really really? I'm having some trouble believing this. The standard battery is 1500mAh. Are the extra batteries the same capacity? Because we are talking about something around 4-6% more power here.
This is either confirmation bias or blatant advertising.
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Fun fact: These two listings are from different sellers, but both write "Samusng" instead of "Samsung".
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=150546613705&ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/M9P-Battery-Charger-Samusng-Google-Nexus-S-/180611094933
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"WAY longer battery life"? Really really? I'm having some trouble believing this. The standard battery is 1500mAh. Are the extra batteries the same capacity? Because we are talking about something around 4-6% more power here.
This is either confirmation bias or blatant advertising.
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Fun fact: These two listings are from different sellers, but both write "Samusng" instead of "Samsung".
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=150546613705&ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/M9P-Battery-Charger-Samusng-Google-Nexus-S-/180611094933
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Obviously i'm not advertising, I am just posting my observations. My battery is lasting several hours longer than it did before under similar use. Right now I'm going on 6.5hrs of light use and I'm still at 81%. The OEM batteries I bought show the exact same part # as the one that came in the phone, but say 1440mah instead of 1500. I'm not observing any difference in how long they last compared to the original battery as today I am on the 1440 one.
I've been in the IT field for 18+ years. I know the difference between real results and 'confirmation bias'. These are real results I have experienced. You are more than welcome to share yours if you choose to spend $20 and duplicate what I did.
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My battery is lasting several hours longer than it did before under similar use.
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I don't believe that unless your wonder-charger is literally cooking the batteries to death by some serious over-charging.
Right now I'm going on 6.5hrs of light use and I'm still at 81%. The OEM batteries I bought show the exact same part # as the one that came in the phone, but say 1440mah instead of 1500.
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So, the original battery to 1500mAh, charged to 96% in the phone would give ... 1440mAh. And range anxiety.
But the extra batteries, charged to 100% in the wonder-charger would give ... 1440mAh. And a peaceful feeling.
Yeah, I don't really see the "WAY longer battery life" here. If those 4-6% extra charge gives "several hours longer" then a full charge would be good for a couple of days of use anyway. And yet you were "spending half the day charging your battery". There's something odd about your story. The numbers don't really add up.
I've been in the IT field for 18+ years.
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I don't care if you're Isaac Newton. If you're starting to wave credentials and diplomas around, then this will be nothing more than a pissing contest. If that is what you want, then you win. Here, have an internet.
I know the difference between real results and 'confirmation bias'. These are real results I have experienced. You are more than welcome to share yours if you choose to spend $20 and duplicate what I did.
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No thanks. I have that exact same charger, and an extra original battery. If that charger actually makes that much of a difference, I don't want to cook my spare battery to death with it.
But feel free to back your claims by some real numbers taken from, you know, objective tests. One battery charged in the phone, the other in the wonder-charger. Then do the exact same thing (play music or whatever) until the batteries hit 15% remaining. Then post the elapsed times here.
Your condescending tone isn't worth my breath. My results are my results and I wished to share them with other people having battery issues and what I did to resolve them. I will continue 'cooking' my $10 batteries to a full charge and having a phone last several hours longer than it did before I started 'cooking'. You can do whatever with yours. Good luck to ya buddy.
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Your condescending tone isn't worth my breath. My results are my results and I wished to share them with other people having battery issues and what I did to resolve them. I will continue 'cooking' my $10 batteries to a full charge and having a phone last several hours longer than it did before I started 'cooking'. You can do whatever with yours. Good luck to ya buddy.
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You know this isn't your blog or twitter feed to promote what you're doing.
Just like what you said, you're new to XDA so I wouldn't be too fond on trusting you either because you haven't been around too long.
I'll continue to stick to my battery. Grats on your long battery.
I go a full day with heavy use on my stock battery. Not sure what your problem is. Unless you can put up some real numbers though, this thread is not worth anyone's time.
After ordering both an OEM battery and the M9P charger I can confirm this.
I don't have screenshots yet, but The stock battery and the replacement OEM batteries I ordered. Function at around 4-6 hours more on the wall charger. With the stock charger charging my stock battery, I was seeing around 16-19hours with heavy use(phone and phone+bluetooth/text/web/youtube) with the M9P charger charging the battery, I have seen roughly a 4-6 hour improvement in battery life depending upon the usage change(i.e if i'm playing angry bird or NFS Shift along with other normal stuff)
I am, however, convinced the pulse charging vs. trickle charging done by the stock charger won't shorten the battery life. Plating will be come a real problem later on down the line, but with any smartphone, I don't expect to keep a battery longer than a year with my use before i either replace the phone or the battery.
If you guys want battery history shots, or whatever you might need to to help you get a better picture of what's going on, please let me know. I'd be happy to provide them.
Arasin said:
After ordering both an OEM battery and the M9P charger I can confirm this.
I don't have screenshots yet, but The stock battery and the replacement OEM batteries I ordered. Function at around 4-6 hours more on the wall charger. With the stock charger charging my stock battery, I was seeing around 16-19hours with heavy use(phone and phone+bluetooth/text/web/youtube) with the M9P charger charging the battery, I have seen roughly a 4-6 hour improvement in battery life depending upon the usage change(i.e if i'm playing angry bird or NFS Shift along with other normal stuff)
I am, however, convinced the pulse charging vs. trickle charging done by the stock charger won't shorten the battery life. Plating will be come a real problem later on down the line, but with any smartphone, I don't expect to keep a battery longer than a year with my use before i either replace the phone or the battery.
If you guys want battery history shots, or whatever you might need to to help you get a better picture of what's going on, please let me know. I'd be happy to provide them.
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Thanks for confirming my results. I was very displeased with the battery life of this phone, but since I went to the wall charger and just swapping batteries, I am getting a full 24hrs use and still have 10-20% left when I swap before work every morning. All in all a pretty cheap investment for the gains.
I am not seeing any noticeable difference between the 1440mah and 1500mah batteries either.
Just wanted to post my experience about battery life. It lasts almost two days (I switch off my phone for six hours every night). It wouldn't charge more than 95-96% every time. And it took really long time to charge too, with the oem charger. And then I tried my wife's Nokia charger, which is also 5V output but 1200mA instead of 700mA the oem is. And charged it turned on. And there it was! A bit less charging time, and for the first time it said 100% charged. That happened the last 6 charges with the Nokia charger. I hope I am not damaging the battery with what I'm doing. I can't say it lasts more than before. Nothing noticable. But at least it's fully charged and it doesn't take all day to charge.
i get 100% everytime when i unplug it will either drop to 97% or to 96% but will still last a whole day of use. i dont charge my battery unless it turns red with the X or till it shuts itself off.
So I have been running two 3500mah batteries from 2 different vendor and one hold a lot more charge than the other, probably a faulty one. Went ahead ordered two more extended for longer usage.
Does anyone have really good experience from ebay seller that you get the same consistent quality every time you order or is it a hit / miss situation?
Can the kernel play any role on a different capacity battery?
People that run multiple 3500 mahs, do they run relatively same? do you wipe battery stat every time you swap?
I can get 40-50 hrs with light wifi radio use
I got a good battery from http://cgi.ebay.ca/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=260798018307&ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT
a bad one from http://cgi.ebay.ca/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=220771384257&ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT
It's only bad because it doesn't hold as much charge, and when you use it for a a few task the battery would drop 1-3% just because maybe using it updated the percentage? but this happens a lot after it goes on stand-by.
It could've just been a bad batch.
The kernel definitely doesn't effect battery capacities; however, I do believe it can effect the rate of consumption depending on the coding, if I'm not mistaken. During my experiences with eBay non-oem batteries is that they aren't great quality and fail a hell of a lot faster than oem batteries. I do a lot of research before I buy so that's saying something...hope this helps
Theoretically the battery can last longer or shorter depending on that setting.
The oem does pretty well holding its charge.
How long does your battery last and which rom?
Where do you get your supply from?
Model : EB575152VA is what I'm seeing being sold from a few places and what came with my phone.
Wonder if that's what you have?
Disclaimer: I know there is already another thread on Mugen HD2 Extended Battery 2,600mAh, but I would like to state that this is an official review since Mugen has provided me with a review unit to debunk the many bad comments given concerning their battery quality. This you can read from http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1294124.
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I have contacted www.mugen-power-batteries.com directly after hearing many comments concerning their false claims. I was surprised that they actually responded by providing me a review unit of the 2,600mAh. It is now on the way.
My review unit will be coming in about 2 weeks time. I will try to conduct an extensive review to determine the actual worth of the battery and whether they work as advertised. I will be conducting a few tests specifically on the battery, as objectively as possible. This would cover video playing, 3G usage, full valuation of the battery charge (using battery widget pro) to name a few.
If you would like a particular test to be conducted on the battery, please state and give a few ideas below. I will be comparing them against the original 1,230mAh from HTC.
I think as faithful users of our HTC HD2, I would really want to get the best extended battery. If this provides even 90% of the advertised capacity, it is already worth the money. Anything less would be pointless.
Thank you.
Larger cell will indeed be good but 2600mAh will be higher than reality as Mugen have admitted this already in a round about way on responses to another testers results.
A new standard HTC cell & new standard size 1500mAh Mugen is the test that needs to be done.
Any chance of a sample 1500mAh review unit ?
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Larger cell will indeed be good but 2600mAh will be higher than reality as Mugen have admitted this already in a round about way on responses to another testers results.
A new standard HTC cell & new standard size 1500mAh Mugen is the test that needs to be done.
Any chance of a sample 1500mAh review unit ?
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I will try to get a 1,500mAh review unit after this one is done Oh, have Mugen admitted to that? Would be good if you can provide me with the link. Thanks!
Cant Wait for the review
Im Planning on getting one myself a 2,600mAh
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erlern said:
I will try to get a 1,500mAh review unit after this one is done Oh, have Mugen admitted to that? Would be good if you can provide me with the link. Thanks!
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This was response to Dougs battery testing.
Not in any way slating Mugen but the mAh ratings marked on their cells are higher than what would be achieved in any lab test.
1500mah is the one I would love to see tested side by side with genuine cell in device & technician mAh testing.
Mugen cells are ok quality but for the asking price we need total transparency on actual cell capacity ...
I have no idea how good that battery is, but I bought this one about 6 months ago and it's working very well, doesn't gain much heat and it doesn't discharge itself much. Average battery consumption in standby is 6mA. All I can do is recommend you guys this one. And cover is really strong. And it's "bit" cheaper than Mugens
[email protected]/MB434B/review_MB434B.html
looking forward to seeing your test results...i just got me a 2400mAh battery and it lasts me about 15hours under heavy use...
Hi guys,
Sorry for the silence... I just received the battery today! Give me some time to get it charged and conditioned for testing
Let me know what else you would like me to test it with.
Display use is interesting for me, such like browsing etc.
Open a browser with some ads or something and look how long the Battery live..
My Galaxy SII gets there 4,5h.
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Idc really care about that battery. I know its fake, but is there any real battery that's better then the original stock? 1400, 1450, 1500?? Not the fat ones with the kickstand
Just an update, I am still conditioning the battery. The first charge/recharge was really pathetic, at 12 hours before it was flat (moderate-heavy use). The second charge/recharge is much improved, I am on 25 hours on (moderate use) with 25% left (taking pictures, listening to music, games, surfing, etc.). I will begin formal testing after 4 full runs to find the optimum condition.
One things I have to say is that the ROM does play a high factor. I was on Dorimanx 3.0 and somehow the governors for oc/uc is not working properly as I kept getting some high drainage. Once I reverted to 2.9, the drainage was gone and it seems to sip battery at a much, much lower rate.
So many factors!!!!
By the way, I really like the battery cover. It is not cheap like the other China made products (unlabelled). I have already 4 different covers, and while I would prefer a metal back cover, this is the 2nd best
Can You please also start the heavy display usage test?
And put some pics please
Greetings
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Just an update, I am still conditioning the battery. The first charge/recharge was really pathetic, at 12 hours before it was flat (moderate-heavy use). The second charge/recharge is much improved, I am on 25 hours on (moderate use) with 25% left (taking pictures, listening to music, games, surfing, etc.). I will begin formal testing after 4 full runs to find the optimum condition.
One things I have to say is that the ROM does play a high factor. I was on Dorimanx 3.0 and somehow the governors for oc/uc is not working properly as I kept getting some high drainage. Once I reverted to 2.9, the drainage was gone and it seems to sip battery at a much, much lower rate.
So many factors!!!!
By the way, I really like the battery cover. It is not cheap like the other China made products (unlabelled). I have already 4 different covers, and while I would prefer a metal back cover, this is the 2nd best
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I have a few questions which i hope you dont mind answering:-
1. How did you recondition the battery?
2. Does your kernel recognise the battery's full capacity or do you do a battery pull then it jumps back up significantly? Im facing this problem at the moment...
thank you in advance!
how long will the battery last for heavy use like playing 3d games?this is important as i use my phone for gaming most
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I have a few questions which i hope you dont mind answering:-
1. How did you recondition the battery?
2. Does your kernel recognise the battery's full capacity or do you do a battery pull then it jumps back up significantly? Im facing this problem at the moment...
thank you in advance!
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1) I conditioning it by charging it overnight for 6-8 hours and then depleting it until it powers off (Actually, this is based on the instructions they gave in the parcel). I need to do it 5 times. Once done, I will be able to charge and stop charging when the indicator hits 100%. I basically use Battery Widget Pro (they have a feature called 'calibration'). Apparently, the battery itself states that it is 2,300mAh, but I think this is not accurate (hence the testing). You will know that the battery is fully charge when the indicator goes down to 0 (zero) mA (shows that the battery is not receiving any more charge).
2) Most cheap batteries have wrong indicators (e.g. temperature detection is not working, no indication of battery capacity). And yes, they suffer the need to 'pull the battery out first' before an additional amount is given. I bought one a while back, apparently one that has 3,000mAh. My observation is that the indicators are really gone. In fact, it will slowly go down to 50%, after which if you pull, it will give you 70%, once it goes down to 15%, it will last for a long while (30 minutes of browsing over 3G) before going down to 14%. Using that battery, I have been able to last 31 hours of moderate use (1 hour of music, 1 hour of gaming - not 3D, a few hours of browsing and a lot of photo taking). It costs only USD12 (thereabouts), which to me is the best deal yet. Down side of that battery is the very poor back battery cover. Using Battery Widget Pro (you have to charge fully and discharge until it shuts down and charge up again continuously), I got an estimated charge capacity of 1900mAh. Not bad don't you think?
The Mugen 2,600mAh easily matches my fake 3,000mAh one. The question is by how much. Sorry for the delay but my HD2 is my daily phone. So, I cant conduct full test like Engadget and other websites. But I'll do my best
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Idc really care about that battery. I know its fake, but is there any real battery that's better then the original stock? 1400, 1450, 1500?? Not the fat ones with the kickstand
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Try Andida batteries. I had the 1600mAh one and it was slightly better than the original (giving me about 1300mAh). I had that a while back.
After much charging and recharging, I can confirm that the battery has about 2,200+mAh. See the attached images to see the estimated calculation using Battery Widget Pro.
Charging takes about 2 hours plus using the wall charger. The last 2% takes the longest.
As per request I ran 2 emulation apps (sorry, no 3d games), fpse & n64oid. The former ran Strider 2 while the latter ran Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time. Do note that I have overclocked my phone to 1.6ghz. All in all, it ran for 4.5 hours with 15% battery left. I'm pretty sure it could have clocked 5hours easily. I think that it is a good performance for 2.2kmAh battery don't you think? See the images below for a read of what other apps I was running. I managed to deplete the whole charge after nearly 10 hours of extremely heavy usage!
What do you guys think? Okay?
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[Not the Mugen 2,600mAh Battery]
As an aside, I took and strip out the cheap battery which I bought for USD10, which claimed a 3000mAh, which only was about 2000mAh (+/- 200mAh) and took some photos of it. I can understand these extended batteries better. I am not an electronics person, but this would explain why it takes a restart to 'recognise' the 'remaining' battery on our devices.
Notice that they are basically two lower capacity batteries which are slapped together with the thin connectors and wrapped together with scotch tape.
I am not sure whether Mugen's the same, since it does not suffer from the 'restart-phone-to-get-additional-battery-reflected' scenario. However, I wonder whether there are any manufacturers who would just manufacture a genuine 2000mAh without merely slapping two products together (like in this picture). In light of this, it is much better to carry an external battery charger (anything more than 6,000mAh around!).
Anyone with electronic expertise want to comment on the pictures, please do.
Opps, forgot to add the photos of the battery and the battery cover which I mentioned. I find that after the first fall (yes, I tend to have accidents with my HD2 ... ) there is a slight creeking sound with the battery cover (nothing is chipped though). It is a rubberised battery cover, unlike the original metal cover. Still, the feel of the cover is great to the touch.
I am no longer using this device, but my dad is! It still works and have survived loads of damage... mostly dropping the device with the battery cover!
Oneplus 3 is an awesome phone no doubt (if you don't damage it). However with the dash charging, there's a high chance we might need replacement batteries for the phone after a year or two.
Does anyone know where we would be able to obtain dash capable batteries for replacement? It would be a great disappointment if we are not able to replace it.
*it is a concern because at least in Singapore, there is 0 support despite purchasing a local set. You will be given an email to make an appointment to bring your set down to a location, but NO ONE will respond to your email. Oneplus Singapore Facebook as well as official reseller do not provide any support either.
Why would Dash Charge wreck the battery? Afterall if anything the phone heats up less than other phones, because the charging is handled by the adapter, not the phone.
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Why would Dash Charge wreck the battery? Afterall if anything the phone heats up less than other phones, because the charging is handled by the adapter, not the phone.
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You have a point there. However, batteries will eventually degrade, so it would be great to be able to do a replacement when the time comes
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You have a point there. However, batteries will eventually degrade, so it would be great to be able to do a replacement when the time comes
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Most damage to a battery is done at night when you charge a phone when you've gone to sleep, as the charger will put it to 100% and keep it there throughout the night, which puts more strain on the battery. (just look into Sony Qnovo battery charging tech in their new phones).
The dash charger has been proven to change people's charging habits. For example I wake up at 7.30am to go to work at 9am, as soon as I wake up I put my phone on charge. Thus meaning it stays at 100% for less time, and so degrades slower.
just keep your battery b/w 40-80% and it's all good
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just keep your battery b/w 40-80% and it's all good
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That's bull**** and bears any real usage
Here you have one: http://www.ebay.de/itm/ONEPLUS-3-TH...198645?hash=item4b05ffd1b5:g:V~wAAOSwZVlXqwIf
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/ONEPLUS-3...198645?hash=item4b05ffd1b5:g:V~wAAOSwZVlXqwIf
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Here you have one: http://www.ebay.de/itm/ONEPLUS-3-TH...198645?hash=item4b05ffd1b5:g:V~wAAOSwZVlXqwIf
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/ONEPLUS-3...198645?hash=item4b05ffd1b5:g:V~wAAOSwZVlXqwIf
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Awesome! However, the battery capacity seems to be much lower than 3000mah
Stay away from buying non oem batteries. You don't want your phone to be the next Note 7 lol.
Again you wont need a new battery. It degrade really slow. The problem with fastcharging is heat. Batteries dont like heat. Also charging overnight is bull**** since it stops charging when its 100%. Again it doesnt matter what you do.. If u drain it to 0% its not fully empty so really doesnt matter!
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Again you wont need a new battery. It degrade really slow. The problem with fastcharging is heat. Batteries dont like heat. Also charging overnight is bull**** since it stops charging when its 100%. Again it doesnt matter what you do.. If u drain it to 0% its not fully empty so really doesnt matter!
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Personally I change battery ever 1.5 to 2 years. Batteries have a lifespan and degrade over time. It degrades faster with heat. It's quite disappointing that no one is sellong replacements though.
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Also charging overnight is bull**** since it stops charging when its 100%.
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Exactly. The controller stops the current flow at full charge. It will not top it up if you keep it plugged in such as in the overnight scenario.
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Here you have one: http://www.ebay.de/itm/ONEPLUS-3-TH...198645?hash=item4b05ffd1b5:g:V~wAAOSwZVlXqwIf
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/ONEPLUS-3...198645?hash=item4b05ffd1b5:g:V~wAAOSwZVlXqwIf
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The model number on eBay is BLP607.
You'll need BLP613 for OP3.
Maybe after a longer time there will be more replacements, if there aren't already.
If the OnePlus's battery it good I don't see a need for a replacement personality because I change phone after 2 years, when factory support ends and I'm tired of the phone.
I am pretty sure you can't wait to buy a new one before the battery degrade to an unacceptable level.
Like my OnePlus 1, which still has a quite decent battery time, though it has already become my son's toy.
So, don't worry about this too much.
Majority of the users will replace their phones instead of a degraded battery within 2 years. Unless the battery is defective then yea that would be understandable. If you are one the minority who upgrades every 3+ years then kudos to yall for having the will power to resist the upgrade fever.
is there no one who works at one plus and also uses xda?
that dude can help us in getting batteries from the supplier of one plus.
I am using my xperia ZL since 2013. i changed its battery a while ago. now i feel it is time to change my device. moving on to one plus 3 soon.
I think my OnePlus 3 battery is pretty broaken already. Last me for around 4 houers so i need to recharge it several times a day.
I cant find a original battery, so ill probably have to get a not OEM one
Hilmy said:
I think my OnePlus 3 battery is pretty broaken already. Last me for around 4 houers so i need to recharge it several times a day.
I cant find a original battery, so ill probably have to get a not OEM one
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Strange. Are you on stock ROM?
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Strange. Are you on stock ROM?
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Yes I am. Android 7.1.1 and Oxygen 4.1.3
AccuBattery says my battery is 87% helathy and on 2611 mAh instead of 3000mAh, but feels like much less
I've been using both the incipio offgrid, and tumi powerpack battery mods (both are wireless charging variants) and have noticed just awful battery life. from 100% it charges my phone up maybe 15-20 percent, and thats with the screen off, just streaming music. If I'm using the phone (just surfing the web or instagram) the battery dies in around 30-45 minutes, is this normal? I expected alot more out of these. I can just stare at the notification bar and watch as the battery drops, my software is up to date, and I was just wondering if this is normal? Is everyone else getting this awful performance? I expected way more for like 70-80 bucks each...
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I've been using both the incipio offgrid, and tumi powerpack battery mods (both are wireless charging variants) and have noticed just awful battery life. from 100% it charges my phone up maybe 15-20 percent, and thats with the screen off, just streaming music. If I'm using the phone (just surfing the web or instagram) the battery dies in around 30-45 minutes, is this normal? I expected alot more out of these. I can just stare at the notification bar and watch as the battery drops, my software is up to date, and I was just wondering if this is normal? Is everyone else getting this awful performance? I expected way more for like 70-80 bucks each...
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This is not normal. While I don't have either of these, based on the reading I've done and reports I've seen from people who do, the Incipio off grid should be able to charge your phone up 50-75% when attached. Not sure if you have some crazy wakelock that's keeping your CPU maxed out all the time or what, but dying in 30-40 minutes makes no sense.
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This is not normal. While I don't have either of these, based on the reading I've done and reports I've seen from people who do, the Incipio off grid should be able to charge your phone up 50-75% when attached. Not sure if you have some crazy wakelock that's keeping your CPU maxed out all the time or what, but dying in 30-40 minutes makes no sense.
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When I got it to die In 30-40 min I was on a phone call and surfing instagram. Took the tumi out yesterday with 80% battery in it and had my phones screen off streaming music over Bluetooth. The phone charged up about 25% before the battery pack died. Any ideas on how I could improve the battery life? My moto mods manager is up to date and I don't get any prompts to update anything whenever I snap on the mods
I was surprised when I found this post, so I checked how many percent of battery do I get with a my incipio battery mod. I plugged the mod, my phone's battery was at 15% and the battery mod was at 100%.
Now the Incipio battery mod is empty and my phone's battery is at 50%. So it charged my phone by 35%.
Pretty disappointing for a 2220 mAh battery that costs almost 100€ ...
To me the best use of the mod is to snap it on when the Moto Z Play is fully charged and to chose the option to keep the phone battery at 80%. With normal use, i've seen the mod keep the phone at 80% for up to a day. To me the mod is not meant to charge the phone but more to keep it from discharging.
To me the idea of the battery mod makes no sense.
There is an Aukey 16000 mAh power pack with QuickCharge 3.0 available which boosts the battery in nearly no time. I paid less than 20 Euro.
Who needs such a battery mod with a Moto Z Play which lasts all day under heavy usage?
Who needs such a battery mod when power packs are big, cheap and fast?
Who even needs the power pack if you have a wall outlet with a QuickCharge 3.0 charger boosting the battery percentage in no time? I needed that power pack when the previous phone (Moto X Play) had some hardware defect making it lose power.
Edit: These questions are meant honestly. Are you living in the desert for several days and can't afford to carry a bag?
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To me the idea of the battery mod makes no sense.
There is an Aukey 16000 mAh power pack with QuickCharge 3.0 available which boosts the battery in nearly no time. I paid less than 20 Euro.
Who needs such a battery mod with a Moto Z Play which lasts all day under heavy usage?
Who needs such a battery mod when power packs are big, cheap and fast?
Who even needs the power pack if you have a wall outlet with a QuickCharge 3.0 charger boosting the battery percentage in no time? I needed that power pack when the previous phone (Moto X Play) had some hardware defect making it lose power.
Edit: These questions are meant honestly. Are you living in the desert for several days and can't afford to carry a bag?
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The battery mods are not particularly useful for the Z Play because if you charge every night, you have basically unlimited battery life. Battery packs are extremely useful for the regular Z, though, which has extremely poor battery life on its own. They're basically mandatory for the Z.
I'm shocked that battery mods can only charge your internal battery and can't be used directly (discharging the mod battery instead of the internal battery), the same way Thinkpads that have more than one battery can do. That makes the $80 (vs maybe $10 for a 2000 mah ravpower) cost all the more eyebrow-raising.
I'd love to use them as a way of preserving the sealed in internal battery's longevity, making the internal battery the backup battery and wearing out the easily replaceable, easily swappable mods instead.
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I'd love to use them as a way of preserving the sealed in internal battery's longevity,
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What do you think how a battery should be treated to prolong its lifetime?
This is a serious question. I'm not sure if charging cycles do matter these days. The point which makes batteries getting weak is the age. An additional battery will not help reduce the age.
Of course you should be careful not to be in extreme cold or heat. If the battery is below 30 percent, you should consider to charge it. You should not charge it again if it's over 80 percent. But trying not to use it seems not to really be helpful for the battery to have a longer life, although battery lifetime usually is given in battery cycles. At least this is my experience. If it does not get hot when used or charged, all batteries nowadays start getting weaker a bit after about 2 years, it gets really recognizable after 4 years, and when they are 6-8 years old, they get so low that they may not fulfill there purpose anymore. Cycles? Never recognized any influence for the lifetime. But one hot day with a usage above average where the battery gets hot may really cause a recognizable decrease in capacity.
If you have some source comparing battery lifetime for different use cases (storage, low usage, middle usage, frequent usage, under different conditions of temperature, fast charge and slow charge) I'd be really interested.
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What do you think how a battery should be treated to prolong its lifetime?
This is a serious question. I'm not sure if charging cycles do matter these days. The point which makes batteries getting weak is the age. An additional battery will not help reduce the age.
Of course you should be careful not to be in extreme cold or heat. If the battery is below 30 percent, you should consider to charge it. You should not charge it again if it's over 80 percent. But trying not to use it seems not to really be helpful for the battery to have a longer life, although battery lifetime usually is given in battery cycles. At least this is my experience. If it does not get hot when used or charged, all batteries nowadays start getting weaker a bit after about 2 years, it gets really recognizable after 4 years, and when they are 6-8 years old, they get so low that they may not fulfill there purpose anymore. Cycles? Never recognized any influence for the lifetime. But one hot day with a usage above average where the battery gets hot may really cause a recognizable decrease in capacity.
If you have some source comparing battery lifetime for different use cases (storage, low usage, middle usage, frequent usage, under different conditions of temperature, fast charge and slow charge) I'd be really interested.
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Same sources as you, personal experience and basic knowledge (battery life being measured in cycles). I'm not even completely worried about average aging, but out of a batch of millions of batteries, plenty will start to experience rapid discharge early, even without abnormal heat, not to the point of being completely dead, but certainly no longer tolerable. Today's phone batteries might actually tolerate heat better than in the past, having been built for quick charging, which is the hottest a sd625 seems to get.
I've read manuals and battery university and a few tech blog articles all of which have differing advice, just like you and me, but I have yet to find a source I find credible (based on diverse large scale testing not limited anecdotal evidence or in the case of manuals, insanely outdated nicad-era stuff). And, sincerely no offense intended, I'm unlikely to decide cycles don't matter and weight your anecdotal evidence over mine anymore than you'd weight mine over yours. But if you ever find a good source with those comparisons, I'd be pleased to check it out too.
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Who needs such a battery mod with a Moto Z Play which lasts all day under heavy usage?
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Because I'm a very heavy user of my phone and don't want to worry about power even if I can't get to a outlet during the day.
Who needs such a battery mod when power packs are big, cheap and fast?
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Because the bat mod is easy to slap on and keep on all the time (when I'm not using a different mod). Then I never have to worry about taking the pack with me or not or carrying the extra cable with me or not.
Who even needs the power pack if you have a wall outlet with a QuickCharge 3.0 charger boosting the battery percentage in no time?
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Because I don't want to have to worry about having the charger with me or finding a spot to charge.
I fully admit that I tend to be more paranoid about running out of power than I need to be, but I like to be secure knowing that I should have more than enough battery life, even if I can't charge overnight. I like to know that I can grab my phone at any point of the day and walk out the door with it without having to worry about taking a charger with me.
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I fully admit that I tend to be more paranoid about running out of power than I need to be, but I like to be secure knowing that I should have more than enough battery life, even if I can't charge overnight. I like to know that I can grab my phone at any point of the day and walk out the door with it without having to worry about taking a charger with me.
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I quite like just not having to charge for three days. I have the battery mod which I use on the efficiency mode, and I got over a full day out of it. At the end of day three I had nearly 30% battery left. Probably enough for most of one more day.
The other thing for me is using wireless charging. I like just slapping my phone on a stand overnight when I do charge it. It charges slowly, yes, but it doesn't matter if I am charging overnight. I still have access to the quick charger if I need to get a full battery quick!
I use mine on my motorcycle where I'm riding for 10 hours a day. I'm at about 50% in 4 hours and dead by 7 or 8, so I'm hoping with the additional battery MOD that I can get at least 12 hours charge. I'm really bad about remembering to plug my phone in when I stop for a break!
@tag68 : dude I think you totally missed to read what @fortunz was saying, he was only pointing that he would like the Mods to be used as a primary source battery instead of being a "ultra-portable power bank".
Given that there is also a fraction of the power being lost in the form of heat, during charge/transfer, it is even more silly from Motorola not to have the battery used directly. I can say by the 25-35% charge from the Mods estimated from other users, that the efficiency is somewhere around 50%, HORRIBLE to say the least.
And yeah I was reading through both of your posts and good information was provided, although unnecessary friction used (not naming anyone).
I actually have kind of the same idea from @fortunz to prolong the battery life of my Z-play even with the mod just being a power bank.
Saying that the mods (~2220mah) charge your phone anywhere between 25-35%, I can actually take the top 25-35% out of my internal battery use and move it to the Mod.
So I can charge my phone up to 70% before going to bed, and then when my phone reaches 30% during the use next day, I'll just slap the mod.
I can allow myself a lot of variation to this, I will not be religious about it, the topic is to avoid hitting 100% charge, and instead, moving the wear of that 30% usage to the Mod.
According, to many articles, citing just one below, considering the depth of discharges and voltage levels, you guys might do the equation if you like, but according to the charts and theory:
charging my phone twice a day trying not to exceed 70%, will give me WAY more longevity run than charging up to 100% every day.
First charge will be from around 15% which is my normal deadline to around 70% with a wall charger, before going to bed.
Second charge will be from the mod from around 30% to around 60% (hopefully), which will give me portability while charging.
Total screen on time during the day, should be around 10% less, but well worth and I can definitely take the hit if getting more battery longevity as a trade.
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http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/how_to_prolong_lithium_based_batteries
Huh, it even makes sense when explaining to other people...
In re: friction, I took no offense from the exchange. Hopefully I didn't cause any either.
Good luck with your efforts. I have considered using this app to to stop charging early: https://forum.xda-developers.com/android/apps-games/root-battery-charge-limit-t3557002 Haven't started using it yet.
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In re: friction, I took no offense from the exchange. Hopefully I didn't cause any either.
Good luck with your efforts. I have considered using this app to to stop charging early: https://forum.xda-developers.com/android/apps-games/root-battery-charge-limit-t3557002 Haven't started using it yet.
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Sadly that application requires root... and I don't want to unlock the bootloader and then having to worry about SafetyNet...
For me SafetyNet is green using Magisk 12.0 as root solution, but that may change of course. But it would help for the battery.
Short rant about this topic: It is strange that the owner of a device can be forbidden to restrict the charging. You bought it, you should be able to do these things with it. Introducing SafetyNet is a bad idea by Google. Security should be made by algorithms, not by hardware. Using public key anyone may modify anything, and you can still assure the content to be trustworthy. There no need to prove the Android not to be modified, it is just a bad idea, unnecessary restricting the user. Owner.
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For me SafetyNet is green using Magisk 12.0 as root solution, but that may change of course. But it would help for the battery.
Short rant about this topic: It is strange that the owner of a device can be forbidden to restrict the charging. You bought it, you should be able to do these things with it. Introducing SafetyNet is a bad idea by Google. Security should be made by algorithms, not by hardware. Using public key anyone may modify anything, and you can still assure the content to be trustworthy. There no need to prove the Android not to be modified, it is just a bad idea, unnecessary restricting the user. Owner.
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Well said
Thanks for the tip! I'll have it mind!
At the moment I don't feel like unlocking the bootloader because I'm planning to use the moto Mods and these can't be used with custom ROMs yet, and I have no use for root other than changing the work mode on Greenify but it already works well enough in No-Root mode, so for me there is no true benefit.
A good resource for lithium batteries are rc helicopter forums. Helis use speed controllers of many tens of amps, drain the batteries in minutes versus days to low levels and charge them at high speed. What reduces their life is heat, overcharging the voltage or over discharging the voltage. They do not age if left in a partial charge. You can let them sit for years unused and they will lose very little capacity. If you only run them at 70%cycle, they last about 3000 cycles.
Well, that was weird.
Phone at 9%, mophie mod at 100%. Put it on, barely used the phone (even took a nap). About an hour later, the mophie mod is at 50%, but the phone actually went down to 8%. Took off the mod and the phone went immediately to 4%. Ouch.
Mod normally works fine. It'll keep the phone at 80% for most of the day just fine. Not sure what was going on.