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I have a Samsung Galaxy Note 5 running android 6.0.1, Model Number SM-N920V, Build number MMB29K.N920VVRS2BPF4 and a Samsung Galaxy Tab S2 running android 6.0.1, Model Number SM-T817V, Build Number MMB29K.T817VVRU2BPE1.
I have read several numerous threads on many sites of completely dead threads about rooting these devices and why they can't be rooted from 2015 and earlier. I have also seen several FAKE sites claiming rooting of these devices when NO ONE has made it possible to root either of these even with bounty threads in this community being 25k$ or more.
From my understanding this community is usually good when it comes to this stuff and yet verizon samsung devices so far from what i've seen have gotten absolutely no love regardless especially the Note 5 and Tab S2.
This community is better than this so whats with the stalling and dead threads regarding these devices seriously.
I get disappointed by threads like this. A long time ago people honored not posting "begging people to do shet for me" threads.
Maybe you should go after Verizon for locking their devices down instead of the community.
What a whining 5th grade rant this is by OP. He deserves what he gets if, before paying money to Verizon, he doesn't bother to check the hundreds of threads which castigate Verizon for their abominable customer service and hacked O/S quirks.
I've had both these devices for almoust 2 years.
As for people's comments about this being '5th grade', this community is starting to look 3rd grade with the ammount of threads with one post asking about the same thing, "whats the hold up with verizon devices".
Instead of getting all butthurt because you can't take criticism, and making all these excuses as to why it can't be done (because lets face it this is linux and this **** is rediculous that no one has figured it out yet) you should either attempt to figure it out or not bother commenting.
Cause negative reactions from community members to my criticism based on MY OPINION only creates drama.
I'm sorry if you got "triggered" by what i said but i still stand by the fact that i am dissapointed and that the fact that no one has figured is rediculous.
Now, if i'm wrong i'd prefer people link some threads that i may have missed rather than people get butthurt and make rediculous comments.
Best to stick to nexus/pixel phones if you want development.
Belldandu the point is this forum costs you nothing, dev's owe you nothing, and you have absolutely ZERO right to criticize. When I find a dev has taken the time to support one of my many devices, I'm super grateful. When they don't, or can't, I suck it up and move on to my next toy. You have no right to be upset over someone failing to provide you with free upgrades. If a $25k bounty can't get the job done, I'm damned sure your whining won't either.
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Calm down everyone OP is just saying his opinion and OP you might want to post this in Galaxy Note 5 section LOL right?
The thread is for both the note 5 and the tab s2 so i didn't know where to post it really.
I'd just like to say that the guys out there rooting, hacking and ROM'ing are awesome. Not only do they spend hours of their personal time acquiring the skills to know how to do these things, they then spend hours of their lives writing it up, bothering to share it with the world in language noobs can understand and even helping others copy what they've done on forums like this.
You guys rock.
So many devices out there, every week, if one is a crippled piece of **** I don't blame you for skipping it to work on something that allows you to achieve something awesome.
*I am a useless noob that would be lost without you.
Drop in, introduce yourself, post pictures, ask dumb questions, talk, tease, chill out.
In memory of the beloved RC, @simms22 .
We've needed a thread like this ever since everyone wanted to constantly complain and nitpick (iPhone this, jelly that, etc). Cool.
Yep.
Stressed out and back home after a day's work. Was looking for a thread like this and found none. Nexus forums have a lot of these. At least when I used to own Nexus.
So thought I'd go ahead and create one cos I know we've got a lot of users.
All the negativity around here made me second guess my purchase a little and didn't have a single problem with my phone ?
Great thread!
What roms are you guys using
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What roms are you guys using
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Staying stock for now. No need to root for me at the moment.
I'll probably jump on lineage for a bit when Android O is released.
Isn't android O released already?
sucilrimal said:
Isn't android O released already?
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Only preview build is out
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What roms are you guys using
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Stock for the foreseeable future. When I finally get to the point where I unlock, I'll probably be on an OOS based ROM. OOS is just so good. Plus it'll probably take awhile for aftermarket ROMs to get the dual camera working 100%.
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Should be getting my device today and I am excited. First OnePlus deviice. Hopefully no issues for me, fingers crossed. Used to be a heavy Android user, lately iPhone user. Making the decision to become a programmer has me interested in Android again and to learn java programming language. I will probably skin some things for this phone and maybe otthers if I pick up more Android phones, hell maybe build some roms in the near future.
bad night at work, mainly fixing others peoples f--- ups and sovling issues. I don't go back to work till Monday....... so fishing, gaming, messing with this phone (if no issues are found), birthday party, chilling with my daughters, school work, and swimming. Might be off work, but probably not much rest lol. :highfive:
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Should be getting my device today and I am excited. First OnePlus deviice. Hopefully no issues for me, fingers crossed. Used to be a heavy Android user, lately iPhone user. Making the decision to become a programmer has me interested in Android again and to learn java programming language. I will probably skin some things for this phone and maybe otthers if I pick up more Android phones, hell maybe build some roms in the near future.
bad night at work, mainly fixing others peoples f--- ups and sovling issues. I don't go back to work till Monday....... so fishing, gaming, messing with this phone (if no issues are found), birthday party, chilling with my daughters, school work, and swimming. Might be off work, but probably not much rest lol. :highfive:
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Nice. I think you'll love the device.
Tip: Just don't bother with the negativity in the forum, the YouTube videos and news articles. Needless to say, I've seen people *****ing about the device every which way. This phone has been great for me, I've seen zero issues so far. I got it during the preorder sale.
This is my first oneplus device too. Oneplus has come a long distance from being "just another cheap Chinese phone", when I was skeptical about it, to creating a name in the smartphone industry.
I have been a Nexus fanatic since the nexus 4 but I don't think they are worth the price tag anymore.
I kinda started out like you, interested in Android, started off learning Java, building roms for the Nexus 4 ( I was on a team that built roms called Euphoria OS, now defunct). Then, as everyone lost interest, I shifted to making money out of coding skills. Built a couple of Android apps. Now I also do Python and JavaScript mainly. Its been a fun ride, never regretted my decision.
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Why Not OREO Still?
I think samsung wont release Oreo for note8, until S9 is out there it mean If u want Oreo than go buy s9/s9+
but what do u think?
because the milk man hasn't done his round yet.
My phone still makes calls etc.. so I am cool. I bought the device for its hardware not the OS
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My phone still makes calls etc.. so I am cool. I bought the device for its hardware not the OS
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I generally agree with this sentiment because Samsung offers so many features out of the box that don't depend on OS upgrades. There is an exception for Android 8/Oreo.... Those Bluetooth codecs: APTX HD and LDAC for premium Bluetooth audio.
I couldn't care less about Android 8 if it weren't for the codecs that unlock the rest of my Note 8's potential. I go wired headphones on my Note 8 or just use HiFi BT headphones with my Mi Mix running Android 8, which has the codecs.
This is the frustrating element of owning Samsung phones their updates are really slow as compared to other manufacturers like my previous Sony Xperia XZ Premium got the oreo two months ago!
why so many threads about not having oreo yet
Last year, they delivered nougat to S7 and S7 Edge in May.
So we still 2 mouths ahead the schedule (Samsung schedule).
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Last year, they delivered nougat to S7 and S7 Edge in May.
So we still 2 mouths ahead the schedule (Samsung schedule).
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Indonesian G935FD got nougat in February before s8/+ launching :victory:
Oreo update for s8/+ should come before s9/+ landing
My guess, and it is a guess, is that we aren't far away. There are more and more carrier's getting the February security patches, but they are normally the last to get updates, and those that normally get the updates earlier are still waiting and stuck on the January release. My suspicion is that rather than release the February security updates on Nougat, we are waiting for an impending Oreo release.
I'm sure if you're hunting the latest OS number, Samsung is definitely not your Manufacturer of choice and shouldn't be. Go for a OnePlus who has the newest numbers.
You can cry about it how much you want, it won't change a thing though. They'll release it in due time, when it's ready. You're phone is still able to make calls, handle IMs, browse the web and much more because Samsung usually loves to clutter their high-end phones with functions in comparison to others.
This is seriously getting out of hand, xda needs to monitor these threads and delete them. No point in crying about numbers.
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I'm sure if you're hunting the latest OS number, Samsung is definitely not your Manufacturer of choice and shouldn't be. Go for a OnePlus who has the newest numbers.
You can cry about it how much you want, it won't change a thing though. They'll release it in due time, when it's ready. You're phone is still able to make calls, handle IMs, browse the web and much more because Samsung usually loves to clutter their high-end phones with functions in comparison to others.
This is seriously getting out of hand, xda needs to monitor these threads and delete them. No point in crying about numbers.
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OH THANKS God, My phone Note 8 is still able to make calls, so what you expect? if making call Was enough for me, Then I should've bought Samsung J1 or Nokia 1100 Not note8, But I paid for note8 because I want to use latest android. and I thin samsung wont release it in next 3 month.
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Look at the view count for any thread that mentions 'Oreo', it tells you people here are desperate for it.
We will get Oreo this month according to some quite trustworthy leakers (Exynos). And US models might get it later this year. I guess Samsung had to fix some problems in February and they just decided to skip Oreo release until March. So that we will get Oreo with March security patch.
Don't worry man. It's around the corner. One day You will wake up and see Oreo OTA .
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OH THANKS God, My phone Note 8 is still able to make calls, so what you expect? if making call Was enough for me, Then I should've bought Samsung J1 or Nokia 1100 Not note8, But I paid for note8 because I want to use latest android. and I thin samsung wont release it in next 3 month.
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You do know most people bought the Note8 because it's actually a really convenient phone right and not just some show-off piece of glass & metal?
(With it's signature S-Pen, "big" display and primarily office /usability focus).
You're definitely in the wrong if you think buying the latest and greatest from a big company equals getting fast updates.
Surely Samsung could bust updates every 2 days to ensure People like you don't get on their nerves, but it's just that irrelevant to them and the vast majority.
Seriously, as long as you get your security patches, you're good to go IF you're one of those super concerned people.
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You do know most people bought the Note8 because it's actually a really convenient phone right and not just some show-off piece of glass & metal?
(With it's signature S-Pen, "big" display and primarily office /usability focus).
You're definitely in the wrong if you think buying the latest and greatest from a big company equals getting fast updates.
Surely Samsung could bust updates every 2 days to ensure People like you don't get on their nerves, but it's just that irrelevant to them and the vast majority.
Seriously, as long as you get your security patches, you're good to go IF you're one of those super concerned people.
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There’s no reason for the rollout to be as delayed as it is, But Samsung raped hard note 8 user, People running carrier-locked versions of the devices have to wait even longer for the update, and by that time, Google will already have revealed this year’s version of Android; Android P.
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There’s no reason for the rollout to be as delayed as it is, But Samsung raped hard note 8 user, People running carrier-locked versions of the devices have to wait even longer for the update, and by that time, Google will already have revealed this year’s version of Android; Android P.
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No reason you say to be delayed?
Well, fine by me. Please do go ahead and have some unfinished version of SE 9.0 installed on your Note8 with loads of (to be expected) FCs. At least you'll have the latest and greatest Android 8.x right? Lmfao, pathetic.
Let them refine the 8.x release for the Note8. Samsung hasn't "raped" anyone in terms of SW updates and refrain from using words like that, you can surely articulate yourself a bit more appropriate. We'll eventually get the update.
Lastly, I really don't understand you or anyone else who's crying over not having the latest OS version. I don't get it, but yeah please continue to cry and entertain us.
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No reason you say to be delayed?
Well, fine by me. Please do go ahead and have some unfinished version of SE 9.0 installed on your Note8 with loads of (to be expected) FCs. At least you'll have the latest and greatest Android 8.x right? Lmfao, pathetic.
Let them refine the 8.x release for the Note8. Samsung hasn't "raped" anyone in terms of SW updates and refrain from using words like that, you can surely articulate yourself a bit more appropriate. We'll eventually get the update.
Lastly, I really don't understand you or anyone else who's crying over not having the latest OS version. I don't get it, but yeah please continue to cry and entertain us.
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Loads of FCs? But.. Note8 SD internal releases of Oreo are kinda bugless, S8 has identical HW and no bugs, S7E got internal release which is like 99% stable (and that 1% can be easily fixed).
And You should know the difference between complaining about lack of updates and crying.
Complaining: "Note8 is the latest phone from Samsung so why don't we get latest updates? S7E has stable SEx 9.0. We should get it too!"
Crying: ":crying::crying::crying::crying:y no oreooo halp i hate my phone!!:crying::crying:"
If You can't tell the difference between these two then I don't know. Maybe leave XDA? XDA is supposed to be helpful and positive. We don't need any negativity here.
Last Oreo thread was closed because of negativity and disrespectful behaviour.
Also, notice that when S8 users complained about Oreo update being delayed. And said that they won't buy Samsung phones anymore. Samsung quickly made a new update.
And Note8 users don't complain about it, and if they do, they get harassed by people like You. So no one talks about Oreo and we have to wait because Samsung thinks that we don't need Oreo.
I as a Dev would love to get Oreo already because my Dev friends are making S9 ports for S7E and S8 and I can't make one cause Samsung doesn't give us Oreo.
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Loads of FCs? But.. Note8 SD internal releases of Oreo are kinda bugless, S8 has identical HW and no bugs, S7E got internal release which is like 99% stable (and that 1% can be easily fixed).
And You should know the difference between complaining about lack of updates and crying.
Complaining: "Note8 is the latest phone from Samsung so why don't we get latest updates? S7E has stable SEx 9.0. We should get it too!"
Crying: ":crying::crying::crying::crying:y no oreooo halp i hate my phone!!:crying::crying:"
If You can't tell the difference between these two then I don't know. Maybe leave XDA? XDA is supposed to be helpful and positive. We don't need any negativity here.
Last Oreo thread was closed because of negativity and disrespectful behaviour.
Also, notice that when S8 users complained about Oreo update being delayed. And said that they won't buy Samsung phones anymore. Samsung quickly made a new update.
And Note8 users don't complain about it, and if they do, they get harassed by people like You. So no one talks about Oreo and we have to wait because Samsung thinks that we don't need Oreo.
I as a Dev would love to get Oreo already because my Dev friends are making S9 ports for S7E and S8 and I can't make one cause Samsung doesn't give us Oreo.
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There's the thing my dude: It's not harassment nor negativity. Some xda sub-forums are slowly becoming more like reddit and that's annoying as hell. In all seriousness, you got your opinion and I got mine concerning users crying about newest OS version. (Just look at the OPs answers. Don't even need elaboration).
At some point it gets unbearable, I dare you to say "No it doesn't". Be real.
Trust me, I've been enjoying xda and it's "healthy" community because it's one amazing platform for people to connect and make Phone's software greater with team effort.
Now it's just people buying a phone, finding xda and expecting things to work from people who are doing stuff here for free & fun and in their free time. (e.g. The Xiaomi forums are cancerous or the Xposed nougat thread, when it was in the works)
I may not be a "known" Dev like you on xda, I do my own thing making smaller apps for friends and small local companies.
I got the patience and endurance to answer repetitive or similar questions over and over again, trust me.
If you feel this is negativity, I respect that, alright. I'm just being real.
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There's the thing my dude: It's not harassment nor negativity. Some xda sub-forums are slowly becoming more like reddit and that's annoying as hell. In all seriousness, you got your opinion and I got mine concerning users crying about newest OS version. (Just look at the OPs answers. Don't even need elaboration).
At some point it gets unbearable, I dare you to say "No it doesn't". Be real.
Trust me, I've been enjoying xda and it's "healthy" community because it's one amazing platform for people to connect and make Phone's software greater with team effort.
Now it's just people buying a phone, finding xda and expecting things to work from people who are doing stuff here for free & fun and in their free time. (e.g. The Xiaomi forums are cancerous or the Xposed nougat thread, when it was in the works)
I may not be a "known" Dev like you on xda, I do my own thing making smaller apps for friends and small local companies.
I got the patience and endurance to answer repetitive or similar questions over and over again, trust me.
If you feel this is negativity, I respect that, alright. I'm just being real.
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Wow. I didn't expect such professional answer lol. This response restored my faith in XDA a little. And I know that Xiaomi forums are slightly messy. I love threads where someone asks for a name of some theme and everyone responds with "thank you" , "beautiful theme link pls" .
Oh, and I'm not a known Dev on XDA . I'm just trying to make people happy with some "unique" roms. And it would be awesome if You'd share some of Your Dev work with us . Maybe some us would find it useful? .
And I know that we had a lot of Oreo threads already and they have identical questions and answers. Because we are just people not Samsung's employees so we can't tell someone when they will get Oreo. But I guess we can deal with these guys in a slightly more polite way and just tell them that we all are waiting for Oreo instead of saying that they are crying. People here live in various countries and have different cultures than we do. And some of them might find word "crying" offensive and disrespectful.
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Wow. I didn't expect such professional answer lol. This response restored my faith in XDA a little. And I know that Xiaomi forums are slightly messy. I love threads where someone asks for a name of some theme and everyone responds with "thank you" , "beautiful theme link pls" .
Oh, and I'm not a known Dev on XDA . I'm just trying to make people happy with some "unique" roms. And it would be awesome if You'd share some of Your Dev work with us . Maybe some us would find it useful? .
And I know that we had a lot of Oreo threads already and they have identical questions and answers. Because we are just people not Samsung's employees so we can't tell someone when they will get Oreo. But I guess we can deal with these guys in a slightly more polite way and just tell them that we all are waiting for Oreo instead of saying that they are crying.
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All good, glad we aligned back on one wavelength.
About the dev work:
Mostly is just freelancing, IT students gotta do what we can do, to make that paper. That's why I haven't contributed to xda so far in regards to releases.
Agreed on the bit with just telling them off instead of crying. But yeah, I do assume you can relate if something is getting penetratingly much lol.
As title says, OnePlus will no longer provide devices for developers. Info here: https://twitter.com/topjohnwu/status/1067440574729457664
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As title says, OnePlus will no longer provide devices for developers. Info here: https://twitter.com/topjohnwu/status/1067440574729457664
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Better send devices to reviewers
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As title says, OnePlus will no longer provide devices for developers. Info here: https://twitter.com/topjohnwu/status/1067440574729457664
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Time to find a new Dev friendly company. OP gonna f themselves with this move. The only reason they are so popular is because of the devs.
So .. we are mad because a company won't give you free stuff? This won't be a popular post, but it's true 99% of the people that use this phone will never care about any development. It would benefit the company to give the free phones to reviewers (where sales can be made) Even if everyone on this forum and the one plus forum didnt buy the device...it woukdnt pjase rhem one bit. #quethehate
They are killing the enthusiastic culture for money.
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Time to find a new Dev friendly company. OP gonna f themselves with this move. The only reason they are so popular is because of the devs.
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Too bad there are not many choices out there compared to a few years ago.
I hope I'm wrong here,but, I could see this creeping towards locked bootloaders if OnePlus' data indicates the overwhelming majority of users run a stock/unrooted phone.
Certainly,the partnership with T-Mobile is paying off, I could see this expanding to more carriers & if the price is right,OnePlus would drop aftermarket development like a bad habit....
This is the dead for Oneplus. We will see no custom rom on 6t. Look at 6 thread, there are just 4 or 5 roms. Oneplus hype is over. I give return now my 6t. The 5t was the last with good custom rom support.
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They are killing the enthusiastic culture for money.
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Assuming 20 dev devices sent out, there's likely over the double amount of bought devices because of the devs. Seems like for such a small investment in the dev community should be worth it? Hell, the negative PR due to ending the program should cost more.
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So .. we are mad because a company won't give you free stuff? This won't be a popular post, but it's true 99% of the people that use this phone will never care about any development. It would benefit the company to give the free phones to reviewers (where sales can be made) Even if everyone on this forum and the one plus forum didnt buy the device...it woukdnt pjase rhem one bit. #quethehate
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They're not giving you (us) free stuff. They were giving very well established developers free phones. They had the list of developers posted some where. It was a very short list (under 50 world wide). It's a 0.002% kind of numbers they were giving out. (Based on the OP6 selling 1 million phones in the first month. We'll say they sold 2 million total since then). They're definitely giving out many more review phones. And overall it's a drop in the bucket compared to other advertising spending.
A good break down of this is the Linus Tech Tips video on computer hardware rebranding. He does a very basic break down of the costs of launching new hardware. And how much of a return they get by getting reviewers to review old hardware with a new name. It's not exactly the same as here. But there are users out there who purchase a phone based on development.
I'm only one person, and this is purely anecdotal, but the only reason I even considered this phone was due OnePlus previous history of being very developer friendly. Even with the half off deal through T-Mobile, I was still on the fence about getting this over a Pixel. I'll evaluate how this goes over the next year and if anything, I'll swap from a 2-3 year phone user to only using this phone for a year and go pick up the Pixel 4 next year.
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They're not giving you (us) free stuff. They were giving very well established developers free phones. They had the list of developers posted some where. It was a very short list (under 50 world wide). It's a 0.002% kind of numbers they were giving out. (Based on the OP6 selling 1 million phones in the first month. We'll say they sold 2 million total since then). They're definitely giving out many more review phones. And overall it's a drop in the bucket compared to other advertising revenues.
A good break down of this is the Linus Tech Tips video on computer hardware rebranding. He does a very basic break down of the costs of launching new hardware. And how much of a return they get by getting reviewers to review old hardware with a new name. It's not exactly the same as here. But there are users out there who purchase a phone based on development.
I'm only one person, and this is purely anecdotal, but the only reason I even considered this phone was due OnePlus previous history of being very developer friendly. Even with the half off deal through T-Mobile, I was still on the fence about getting this over a Pixel. I'll evaluate how this goes over the next year and if anything, I'll swap from a 2-3 year phone user to only using this phone for a year and go pick up the Pixel 4 next year.
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I specifically use OP because I can mess with it, root it, change things. A month after the Galaxy phones come out, they drop to nearly what OP sells them for new. If I can't root my phone, why would I settle for the corners that OP cuts over a better - mostly everything - on a Samsung or Pixel? No reason in my mind.
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They're not giving you (us) free stuff. They were giving very well established developers free phones. They had the list of developers posted some where. It was a very short list (under 50 world wide). It's a 0.002% kind of numbers they were giving out. (Based on the OP6 selling 1 million phones in the first month. We'll say they sold 2 million total since then). They're definitely giving out many more review phones. And overall it's a drop in the bucket compared to other advertising spending.
A good break down of this is the Linus Tech Tips video on computer hardware rebranding. He does a very basic break down of the costs of launching new hardware. And how much of a return they get by getting reviewers to review old hardware with a new name. It's not exactly the same as here. But there are users out there who purchase a phone based on development.
I'm only one person, and this is purely anecdotal, but the only reason I even considered this phone was due OnePlus previous history of being very developer friendly. Even with the half off deal through T-Mobile, I was still on the fence about getting this over a Pixel. I'll evaluate how this goes over the next year and if anything, I'll swap from a 2-3 year phone user to only using this phone for a year and go pick up the Pixel 4 next year.
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Fair enough, good post.
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This is the dead for Oneplus. We will see no custom rom on 6t. Look at 6 thread, there are just 4 or 5 roms. Oneplus hype is over. I give return now my 6t. The 5t was the last with good custom rom support.
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Not to be rude but you seem to be posting very negative comments about custom roms and developers for the 6t. If you don't like the phone, return it. And as I've stated elsewhere, developers have been busting their butts trying to get twrp up and running. Which as of yesterday is now available. I personally don't see custom roms coming out until a permanent twrp was available. Now that that is, I'm sure there will be roms coming out in relatively short time. Personally I find your negative comments insulting to developers. Again if you are unhappy with the device then return it, no one's stopping you. I'm not trying to pick on you, I just find it frustrating and again demeaning to all the hard work that devs have been putting into making this phone available to use custom roms on. Rant done.
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Not to be rude but you seem to be posting very negative comments about custom roms and developers for the 6t. If you don't like the phone, return it. And as I've stated elsewhere, developers have been busting their butts trying to get twrp up and running. Which as of yesterday is now available. I personally don't see custom roms coming out until a permanent twrp was available. Now that that is, I'm sure there will be roms coming out in relatively short time. Personally I find your negative comments insulting to developers. Again if you are unhappy with the device then return it, no one's stopping you. I'm not trying to pick on you, I just find it frustrating and again demeaning to all the hard work that devs have been putting into making this phone available to use custom roms on. Rant done.
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No point to waste your time man it's just another entitled user that thinks XDA is a place to make your phone cool not a developer forum.
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Not to be rude but you seem to be posting very negative comments about custom roms and developers for the 6t. If you don't like the phone, return it. And as I've stated elsewhere, developers have been busting their butts trying to get twrp up and running. Which as of yesterday is now available. I personally don't see custom roms coming out until a permanent twrp was available. Now that that is, I'm sure there will be roms coming out in relatively short time. Personally I find your negative comments insulting to developers. Again if you are unhappy with the device then return it, no one's stopping you. I'm not trying to pick on you, I just find it frustrating and again demeaning to all the hard work that devs have been putting into making this phone available to use custom roms on. Rant done.
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That's a lot nicer than I would have put it. Just didn't want to get banned. ??
Give it a year or so and the bootloaders will be unlockable.
I think a good amount of the posting is to "ruffle the feathers."
It's not like the ONLY people who develop a device are those that get a free device from the manufacturer.
If you want development on a phone that has flagship-like specs (good screen, latest snapdragon, above average camera) there isn't much selection in the USA. It's this or a Pixel or buy something abroad (e.g. Exynos based Galaxy). Otherwise your out of luck. As long as the bootloader remains easily unlocked and their devices are easily rooted I could care less.
Typical click-bait type of article with the expected response.
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Assuming 20 dev devices sent out, there's likely over the double amount of bought devices because of the devs. Seems like for such a small investment in the dev community should be worth it? Hell, the negative PR due to ending the program should cost more.
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The majority of their customers won't even understand what this means let alone care that OP stopped doing it. The impact it will have on their sales will be a rounding error. Yes, as a percentage of total units sold, OP likely has more customers that root/ROM vs companies like Samsung. However, it looks like they're trying to focus on the main part of the business and not deal with small things that don't drive significant sales. That puts a program like this on the chopping block.
I get why they might do this, however, the only reason I buy OnePlus devices is the development support. So if development dies, I don't buy anymore phones. We have multiple OP phones in the house. I bought the 5T and now the 6T before Lineage was out, sounds like I won't buy anymore devices until ROMs are available just to be certain. The problem with that is with the short development cycle by the time that happens OP maybe onto the next device...
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It's not like the ONLY people who develop a device are those that get a free device from the manufacturer.
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This is a very valid point.
threatening to not buy devices because of lack of development is like spitting into a hurricane; no one will notice, and it wont matter one bit..
once any of the enthusiast companies start to get large sales volume, and smell corporate business, their willingness to help enthusiasts of any sort diminishes greatly..If google thought they could land more giant corporate accounts by locking down the pixel phones like samsung did, they would do it in a minute..follow the money is what all my friends tell me now a days, and they are right..
You can be as outraged as you want to over OP deciding to drop "free" anything to developers; its not going to effect any change of any sort, so you might as well save your outrage for something else..sooner or later, all bootloaders will be locked, and you wont have any better choices..
Did everyone see the update from OnePlus?
“Apologies, we weren’t as clear as we could have been. We’ve temporarily scaled back our developer program while we work out how to make it even better in the future. We’ll be updating the selection criteria and communication channels with developers in our seeding program for better co-operation. We will restart the program and select Devs based on the new criteria and will work on providing the best possible support to community development efforts for OnePlus devices.” – OnePlus Spokesperson
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I purchased 2 of these phones in April because there seemed to be a decent support base for it here on XDA. But I have found that the support is lacking and nonexistent in the 3 months since I bought them. Custom ROMS have been posted, only to be left in limbo. Questions from users go totally ignored and unanswered. I am not a developer, so like most users I rely on those of you who are skilled in that expertise for our custom firmware. But I have to say that in the 7 years I have been a member here I have never seen such poor interaction from the developers.
I guess this forum has just become a reflection of the current attitudes lack of respect and concern in the world that exists today.
Try telegram.... There is probably 5 or six threads for our devices....
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Try telegram.... There is probably 5 or six threads for our devices....
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This is the most bland blanket statement being swung around in every ****ing thread. If the developers can not be arsed to actually interact with the community in the forum they posted their ROM in, then they can just stay away entirely. I have no respect for people simply opening a thread and then link people to a telegram group because they are too lazy to actually use a forum.
I'm very tempted to report threads for closure since they appear to be abandoned.
I'd rather have no development than development hiding itself behind a ****ty chat-app.
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Try telegram.... There is probably 5 or six threads for our devices....
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Seriously? Talk about a lame solution.
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This is the most bland blanket statement being swung around in every ****ing thread. If the developers can not be arsed to actually interact with the community in the forum they posted their ROM in, then they can just stay away entirely. I have no respect for people simply opening a thread and then link people to a telegram group because they are too lazy to actually use a forum.
I'm very tempted to report threads for closure since they appear to be abandoned.
I'd rather have no development than development hiding itself behind a ****ty chat-app.
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I agree 100%. :good::good::good::good::good:
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This is the most bland blanket statement being swung around in every ****ing thread. If the developers can not be arsed to actually interact with the community in the forum they posted their ROM in, then they can just stay away entirely. I have no respect for people simply opening a thread and then link people to a telegram group because they are too lazy to actually use a forum.
I'm very tempted to report threads for closure since they appear to be abandoned.
I'd rather have no development than development hiding itself behind a ****ty chat-app.
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I'm sorry you feel this way I was just offering a solution to help you with your issue but you know I do understand because I had the same thought at first but I think it is pretty cool to have real time discussion.....
Also our device is not limited to just this thread..... I spend my day switching ROMs with trebel based GSI....Oh and they get updated security every month and using our device all of the moto gestures show up in the rom because we still use the moto vender..... And if you really want to see some development start reading about compiling kernels..right now Im building a custom kernel for device.....
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I purchased 2 of these phones in April because there seemed to be a decent support base for it here on XDA. But I have found that the support is lacking and nonexistent in the 3 months since I bought them. Custom ROMS have been posted, only to be left in limbo. Questions from users go totally ignored and unanswered. I am not a developer, so like most users I rely on those of you who are skilled in that expertise for our custom firmware. But I have to say that in the 7 years I have been a member here I have never seen such poor interaction from the developers.
I guess this forum has just become a reflection of the current attitudes lack of respect and concern in the world that exists today.
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maybe you could become a developer yourself and show us how it should be done?
which in case of Motorola is to develop software for like 10 devices a year + interact on forums etc. + try to solve all kinds of people's problems
all in your free time, not being paid for anything
Now I'm curious
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maybe you could become a developer yourself and show us how it should be done?
which in case of Motorola is to develop software for like 10 devices a year + interact on forums etc. + try to solve all kinds of people's problems
all in your free time, not being paid for anything
Now I'm curious
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I knew the second I wrote my original post some clueless person would come back in defense of poor support and lack of interaction playing the "developers are overworked and do it for nothing" card. And then there is the ever present "if you don't like the way it's done do the developing yourself" joker. But it doesn't fly when somebody posts 3 or 4 ROMs and then totally ignores all questions and issues within this forum not just for days but for weeks and months. How about focusing on 1 ROM and dealing with it rather than over extending oneself and dealing with nothing? As I said, this is the first device I have seen this type of poor support and neglect. That is because on all of my previous 5 MOTOROLA, 2 Asus, 1 Huaweii, and 3 Samsung devices the developers stayed focused on 1 or 2 ROMS and didn't try to recreate the world. And in all of those cases I and many other users donated generously to the developers. Doing a lousy job at something you commit to and then saying "I don't get paid anyway" is not excusable. And defending the poor support and lousy interactions with those lame excuses just makes you a part of the problem. As I said in my post, it is simply a reflection of the attitudes in the world around us.
The problem is that too many users don't even know what they're doing. They do not want to acquire knowledge themselves and expect a solution and an explanation for everything.
By now I say to many users here they should inform themselves. This forum can provide help with problems, but cannot explain everything to everyone. The most common questions here are "I have a bootloop", "what does
encryption mean and why I'm not able to access my data", "why TWRP should only be booted and why does flashing to recovery fail", "should I install TWRP again after I updated my device" and so on... There is currently a user who is trying to mount TWRP in Windows and tells me at the same time that he has already rooted various devices.
Somewhere in between is a single user of 20 with a real problem but he doesn't get noticed.
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I knew the second I wrote my original post some clueless person would come back in defense of poor support and lack of interaction playing the "developers are overworked and do it for nothing" card. And then there is the ever present "if you don't like the way it's done do the developing yourself" joker. But it doesn't fly when somebody posts 3 or 4 ROMs and then totally ignores all questions and issues within this forum not just for days but for weeks and months. How about focusing on 1 ROM and dealing with it rather than over extending oneself and dealing with nothing? As I said, this is the first device I have seen this type of poor support and neglect. That is because on all of my previous 5 MOTOROLA, 2 Asus, 1 Huaweii, and 3 Samsung devices the developers stayed focused on 1 or 2 ROMS and didn't try to recreate the world. And in all of those cases I and many other users donated generously to the developers. Doing a lousy job at something you commit to and then saying "I don't get paid anyway" is not excusable. And defending the poor support and lousy interactions with those lame excuses just makes you a part of the problem. As I said in my post, it is simply a reflection of the attitudes in the world around us.
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But this is a different issue. I can't and will not defend that someone creates a ROM, publishes it and forgets about it. And then another, and another. I am also sad that dev's time is spent/wasted on something useless at the end of the day, while they could help to develop something actually alive. I am also sad that there are numberless modifications and tinkering, all of them dealing with similar bugs and problems, while having minimal differences, and not uniting together to create something larger than the sum of all these parts.
And yes, , your original post did sound like whining at other people that they don't create enough software for *your* specific phone and help you solve your specific problems while giving zero effort to solve them yourself. Which is, sadly, a common attitude indeed.
As for me, I don't want to depend on people from XDA to do something that your phone manufacturer was paid to do - if you want support, ask it from there. The phones are not as popular to attract lots of independent development (I believe Motorola is partly to blame here, as they spam the market with too many devices). I'm afraid this is all we got.
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But this is a different issue. I can't and will not defend that someone creates a ROM, publishes it and forgets about it. And then another, and another. I am also sad that dev's time is spent/wasted on something useless at the end of the day, while they could help to develop something actually alive. I am also sad that there are numberless modifications and tinkering, all of them dealing with similar bugs and problems, while having minimal differences, and not uniting together to create something larger than the sum of all these parts.
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Agree 100%. That is basically what my post is trying to address.
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And yes, , your original post did sound like whining at other people that they don't create enough software for *your* specific phone and help you solve your specific problems while giving zero effort to solve them yourself. Which is, sadly, a common attitude indeed.
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Good heavens no! If you look at my history and go back the 7 years I have been here, you would find that I have been and will remain very active in helping others and solving my own problems. I have taken part in Alpha and Beta testing for developers. Have I gotten lazy on occasion and asked before searching? Sure. Who hasn't? But that is most definitely not my standard mode of operation. I make it a habit to search and research as much as possible before I ask.
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As for me, I don't want to depend on people from XDA to do something that your phone manufacturer was paid to do - if you want support, ask it from there. The phones are not as popular to attract lots of independent development (I believe Motorola is partly to blame here, as they spam the market with too many devices). I'm afraid this is all we got.
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I agree, unless you are dealing with issues brought on by unlocking, rooting and installing custom software/roms. Go to Motorola and ask a question about those issues and you will get shut down immediately. "Sorry! Your warranty is void and we can't help you. And many users (like myself) buy models not available in the USA so there is no support from Motorola at the get go.
That is the whole purpose of XDA. Community support and development. Granted, there are those who will abuse it and not make any effort whatsoever to find the answer and fix it themselves. They deserve to be ignored. But if you put a mod or rom or app on here then by golly, at least support it.
I believe we are pretty much on the same page just took a couple of exchanges to get here. :good:
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I reached a point where I basically gave up. I'm not a developer but I like to fiddle with my devices and add a better experience with customizations. I had a Moto G5S and tried to add a custom ROM based on Android 10 but none of them worked well. I spent an absurd amount of time trying to make them work at least in an acceptable way, with no success. I gave up, reinstalled the original 8.1 Android version and moved to a Moto G7 Plus with no root and only GCAM. When I get tired of Android 10, I'll buy a new cellphone with Android 11 or 12.
The lessons I learned are:
- I cannot complain for what I received for free
- I cannot oblige someone to fix for free what is not working for me
- it seems to be increasingly difficult to make things work if you have no access to the internal development of a cellphone's manufacturer
- I will change my purchasing habits: I prefer to buy another device after 1,5 years with the latest Android and hardware specs than fighting to make my 3-yr old device run with a modified system that has no guarantee from the manufacturer.
- I do not have the money to buy expensive devices, I prefer to buy something above the basic and replace it more frequently.
- I respect the developers and I'm not mad at them, I am sure they are learning a lot when creating these custom ROMs and this will take them to a better job (I hope)
- I agree that XDA has changed for worse in the aspect of "community-based development". The interaction in the forum is really going downward, this is the same with other forums I participate. People are moving to "immediate answer" options like whatsapp and Telegram, which I hate because they do not have the organized structure and historic documentation a forum provides.
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I reached a point where I basically gave up. I'm not a developer but I like to fiddle with my devices and add a better experience with customizations. I had a Moto G5S and tried to add a custom ROM based on Android 10 but none of them worked well. I spent an absurd amount of time trying to make them work at least in an acceptable way, with no success. I gave up, reinstalled the original 8.1 Android version and moved to a Moto G7 Plus with no root and only GCAM. When I get tired of Android 10, I'll buy a new cellphone with Android 11 or 12.
The lessons I learned are:
- I cannot complain for what I received for free
- I cannot oblige someone to fix for free what is not working for me
- it seems to be increasingly difficult to make things work if you have no access to the internal development of a cellphone's manufacturer
- I will change my purchasing habits: I prefer to buy another device after 1,5 years with the latest Android and hardware specs than fighting to make my 3-yr old device run with a modified system that has no guarantee from the manufacturer.
- I do not have the money to buy expensive devices, I prefer to buy something above the basic and replace it more frequently.
- I respect the developers and I'm not mad at them, I am sure they are learning a lot when creating these custom ROMs and this will take them to a better job (I hope)
- I agree that XDA has changed for worse in the aspect of "community-based development". The interaction in the forum is really going downward, this is the same with other forums I participate. People are moving to "immediate answer" options like whatsapp and Telegram, which I hate because they do not have the organized structure and historic documentation a forum provides.
because there seemed to be a decent support base for it here on XDA.
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You judged and found out you were wrong.
But I have found that the support is lacking and nonexistent in the 3 months since I bought them. Custom ROMS have been posted, only to be left in limbo. Questions from users go totally ignored and unanswered.
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How much exactly did you pay that made you entitled to this kind of support?
But I have to say that in the 7 years I have been a member here I have never seen such poor interaction from the developers.
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You do not really have to say anything but forums are there for anyone to speak his mind. Even people who think they are entitled to stuff they actually aren't
I guess this forum has just become a reflection of the current attitudes lack of respect and concern in the world that exists today.
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Lack of respect. REALLY?
Get off your high horse!
Your post itself is a reflection of another trend:
Unfounded entitlement.