I'm going to downscale the device resolution to 1080p for a few days if the 2K screen really affects the battery that bad.. If you want to do this, download Resolution Changer from Google Play, and set the screen res to 1080x1920 480 dpi, apply and reboot (important to reboot, if not, the UI will be messed up)
Going to edit this in 3 days. Cheers!
Unless you only use up exactly 1920x1080 pixels on the screen battery life is not going to change much.
Right now that resolution just causes the screen to upscale so the only battery savings would be from the gpu working less driving a lower resolution. The screen which is the main batt hog will still be drawing power as per normal.
Unless you are 3D gaming at 2K then there will be little savings if any. 2D is pretty easy to render at 2K Resolution. And the GPU is probably optimized for 2K and NOT 1080p. So you might actually see a performance decrease running lower resolutions like the old days of Voodoo2 GPU on PC. I dont know... benchmark it and see.
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Unless you are 3D gaming at 2K then there will be little savings if any. 2D is pretty easy to render at 2K Resolution. And the GPU is probably optimized for 2K and NOT 1080p. So you might actually see a performance decrease running lower resolutions like the old days of Voodoo2 GPU on PC. I dont know... benchmark it and see.
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There is no such a optimization for a specific resolution.
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There is no such a optimization for a specific resolution.
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Good job you work for Samsung and are privvy to their device drivers etc and cleared that up for us.
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Good job you work for Samsung and are privvy to their device drivers etc and cleared that up for us.
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Exactly that.
To the moderator's, just close this thread before it becomes a cesspool.
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Unless you only use up exactly 1920x1080 pixels on the screen battery life is not going to change much.
Right now that resolution just causes the screen to upscale so the only battery savings would be from the gpu working less driving a lower resolution. The screen which is the main batt hog will still be drawing power as per normal.
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unfortunately, this is the correct response. even though the human eye cannot spot the difference between 2K and 1080p if the screen isn't right on your eyes (there have been several articles about it on XDA portal..interesting reading), lowering the resolution on this device is useless as your phone will power the extra pixles(they are still there) but the GPU just won't process them.
2K was and will be a marking gimmik to sell more phones. just like 64 bit.
hopefully we'll see a 5.5' flagship this year with 1080p- same view as 2K on 5.5' screens and with 6+ SOT easily.
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Unless you only use up exactly 1920x1080 pixels on the screen battery life is not going to change much.
Right now that resolution just causes the screen to upscale so the only battery savings would be from the gpu working less driving a lower resolution. The screen which is the main batt hog will still be drawing power as per normal.
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That is correct, but there's one more thing:
the GPU won't work less. Whatever power is saved not having to draw the full size of the screen, will be spent upscalling the 1920x1080 image to 2560x1440. I bet that this upscalling can draw even more power from the battery than simply let it work on its native resolution.
So, if your intention is to save power, reducing the resolution is a bad idea, and it is totally useless.
The only reason to lower the resolution is if you have eyesight problems.
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unfortunately, this is the correct response. even though the human eye cannot spot the difference between 2K and 1080p if the screen isn't right on your eyes (there have been several articles about it on XDA portal..interesting reading), lowering the resolution on this device is useless as your phone will power the extra pixles(they are still there) but the GPU just won't process them.
2K was and will be a marking gimmik to sell more phones. just like 64 bit.
hopefully we'll see a 5.5' flagship this year with 1080p- same view as 2K on 5.5' screens and with 6+ SOT easily.
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With Snapdragon 810 forget about it xD
The LG G Flex 2 has a poor battery life taking in mind the Full HD+ 3000mAh + the supposed lower power Snapdragon 810.
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With Snapdragon 810 forget about it xD
The LG G Flex 2 has a poor battery life taking in mind the Full HD+ 3000mAh + the supposed lower power Snapdragon 810.
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''Thankfully, the battery isn't as persnickety as the rest of the phone: It typically managed about 13 hours on a single charge, all while I was futzing around in HipChat and Hangouts, firing off emails from CloudMagic and playing the occasional documentary in the background on YouTube. When it came time for our standard video-rundown test (all together now: looping a 720p video with screen brightness set to 50 percent), the new G Flex held out for ten hours and 13 minutes before needing a top-up. As it turns out, the charger's no slouch either; it takes the phone from 0 to 50 percent in about an hour, and it'll top off the battery completely in less than an hour after that.''
http://www.engadget.com/2015/02/18/lg-g-flex-2-review/
I'm reading mixed reviews about the LG F Flex 2. however all in all I don't think 10 SOT at 50% brightness is less than amazing (they didn't put a chart showing comparisons to other phones, but personally I don't get more then 5.5 SOT on the note 4 no matter what)
tal123 said:
''Thankfully, the battery isn't as persnickety as the rest of the phone: It typically managed about 13 hours on a single charge, all while I was futzing around in HipChat and Hangouts, firing off emails from CloudMagic and playing the occasional documentary in the background on YouTube. When it came time for our standard video-rundown test (all together now: looping a 720p video with screen brightness set to 50 percent), the new G Flex held out for ten hours and 13 minutes before needing a top-up. As it turns out, the charger's no slouch either; it takes the phone from 0 to 50 percent in about an hour, and it'll top off the battery completely in less than an hour after that.''
http://www.engadget.com/2015/02/18/lg-g-flex-2-review/
I'm reading mixed reviews about the LG F Flex 2. however all in all I don't think 10 SOT at 50% brightness is less than amazing (they didn't put a chart showing comparisons to other phones, but personally I don't get more then 5.5 SOT on the note 4 no matter what)
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Personal usages are subjective and I don't care about them.
It is not 10hours of SOT in normal usage, it was a test.
In GSMarena where they do pretty well battery Test comparisons, they show a mediocre scores from what you should have expected.
At The same standard-test, Engadget says that Note 4 get 13h.
But 50% brightness on Note 4 is two times higher (291nits) than on the GFlex 2 (152nits).
So results are pretty poor on the Gflex 2 considering the fact that both have the same max brightness.
tal123 said:
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2K was and will be a marking gimmik to sell more phones. just like 64 bit.
hopefully we'll see a 5.5' flagship this year with 1080p- same view as 2K on 5.5' screens and with 6+ SOT easily.
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Once you use phone with Gear VR you will know that even 2K is not enough.
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And you also have to take in mind pentile matrix. A RGB panel with the same resolution looks more shaper.
galaxynote2 said:
I'm going to downscale the device resolution to 1080p for a few days if the 2K screen really affects the battery that bad.. If you want to do this, download Resolution Changer from Google Play, and set the screen res to 1080x1920 480 dpi, apply and reboot (important to reboot, if not, the UI will be messed up)
Going to edit this in 3 days. Cheers!
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Antutu results:
48715 with 2k resolution
52553 with 1080
Interesting.. but the samsung keyboard size is bad. How can i fix it¿?
Thanks
nacholo said:
Antutu results:
48715 with 2k resolution
52553 with 1080
Interesting.. but the samsung keyboard size is bad. How can i fix it¿?
Thanks
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I get 52526 at 2K:
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Amazing score! It,s possible to get more than 56k in your phone at 1080!!
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My N910F scored lower in 1080p then it did in 2k.
The highest score is default resolution.
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Hello there,
I am just curiuos if there's any way to disable VSync in SGX 540 driver? 3D applications are limited to 56FPS, so Samsung Galaxy S can't win some benchmarks, because of this ridiculous restriction. My SGS always scores about 55.7 FPS or very close to 56, but Droid X has 60 or 62 Hz refresh rate and even though it has weaker GPU (SGX 530) it can still beat SGS in some less demanding benchmarks. The SGS screen refresh rate is 56 Hz... I wish we could unleash the real power of SGX 540, which is now *STRONGLY* limited.
Maybe there are cfg files with options:
VSync=0/1
Or:
MaxRefreshRate 56 Hz etc..
Or something like that... Can somebody look at it?
Thanks in advance for answers!
Best regards,
John
While I'm sure if the framerate was unlocked it would beat every other current Android device in GPU benchmarks, in real-world use this wouldn't mean a thing since the screen itself has a refresh rate of 56Hz...so visually it would be impossible to see any difference other than screen tearing.
It's a limit to save battery, i would like to turn it off/on (for benches) but for real life 56+ fps is just waist of powerbecause of the screen that has 56Hz
(but i prefer 200fps against 60fps on my PC in my 60Hz monitor, somehow i DO notice the difference )
jaapschaap said:
It's a limit to save battery, i would like to turn it off/on (for benches) but for real life 56+ fps is just waist of powerbecause of the screen that has 56Hz
(but i prefer 200fps against 60fps on my PC in my 60Hz monitor, somehow i DO notice the difference )
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That's called the placebo effect. It's literally impossible for you to see it, you just 'notice' it because you're aware that the framerate is higher, so your mind convinces you that you can see the difference.
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That's called the placebo effect. It's literally impossible for you to see it, you just 'notice' it because you're aware that the framerate is higher, so your mind convinces you that you can see the difference.
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Let's try not to prove if human eye can see the difference between 56 or 200 FPS. Let's try to find out if there is a possibility to turn the VSync off to see what SGX 540 is capable of. Because it's an external GPU so it has to have any external panel control or cfg file with some options like NVIDIA and ATI GFX cards have.
Damn I wish I could see 80-100 FPS @ Neocore and GL Benchmark score that kicks ass Droid X score (which is better than SGS, because of damn screen refresh rate)... It's really possible!
About fps perception, that is discussed a lot.... dont bring it here.
The tweak -> would be nice, but just for benchmarks (showing them mine is bigger), or playing with charger connected.
This is mobile device, we got limited power resource.
On pc we got sum competitive games, they provide matchup with players around the world, and it means sth to win/lose, so ppl would do anything to do better.. But in singleplayer...on a 'phone'? No matter to me.
xan said:
About fps perception, that is discussed a lot.... dont bring it here.
The tweak -> would be nice, but just for benchmarks (showing them mine is bigger), or playing with charger connected.
This is mobile device, we got limited power resource.
On pc we got sum competitive games, they provide matchup with players around the world, and it means sth to win/lose, so ppl would do anything to do better.. But in singleplayer...on a 'phone'? No matter to me.
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Mate! It doesn't matter for the power usage if there are 56 FPS or 200 FPS! GPU is doing the same job with the same power usage but is capped by VSync. It's the software (driver level) limitation, not hardware.
Why don't you just find a more graphic-intensive benchmark instead? It's pointless to turn off Vsync even if we could.
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+1 for disable the VSync ....
It`s the reason for the result of GLbenchmark:
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So what will you guy accomplish from getting higher scores in a synthetic benchmark which doesn't actually represent real speed?
I wish people would stop putting such an emphasis on synthetic benchmarks...
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Why don't you just find a more graphic-intensive benchmark instead? It's pointless to turn off Vsync even if we could.
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Testing purposes, to see how fast GPU really is and to kick Droid X ass. ;-) We can't say anything about the real performance of SGX 540... But we can see that every 3D test we run on SGS it gets ~56 FPS...
Mate I can ask why do people overclock their CPUs? Why do people overclock their Galaxy S CPU to 1.2 GHz? It's pointless in some way (battery usage, it's hard to see the difference without benchmark scores etc.). But for power users - people just like me - it's something to test the limits of the hardware.
I am going to check the possibility on the PowerVR forum and keep You updated.
The worst thing is that I can cool my PC hardware using liquid nitrogen but I don't really know mobile software to do the trick.
+1 to try and disable vsync! really would like to know what the gpu is really capable of...
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+1 for disable the VSync ....
It`s the reason for the result of GLbenchmark:
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With tables like this one, for non informed people it may look like Galaxy S is the worst of the current high end devices.
In the /system/build.prop file, there is a line called:
windowsmgr.max_events_per_sec=55
Change it to 60 and see if the framerates go up? Quadrant reports the Galaxy S screen refresh rate is 68Hz.
changed. quadrant gfx test is same 56fps max.
The config file should be somewhere in the OpenGL driver folder I think. I can't check it out because I am at work at the moment...
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changed. quadrant gfx test is same 56fps max.
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I changed it to 68 and although the quadrant test didnt go about 57fps, I got higher scores. JPC default got around 950 or so, with this I got about 1000.
The UI is definitely smoother though.
hardcore said:
I changed it to 68 and although the quadrant test didnt go about 57fps, I got higher scores. JPC default got around 950 or so, with this I got about 1000.
The UI is definitely smoother though.
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Interesting!;-) So we can adjust FPS on the UI right now. Looks like it's possible to make scrolling ultra smooth.
nice, please add all of the findings to post 1 , because we could find it easier later..
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nice, please add all of the findings to post 1 , because we could find it easier later..
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Later. But there are still no idea to walk arount the VSync problem.
http://m.gsmarena.com/lg_nexus_5-review-1011.php
This includes battery results , display labor results , camera results
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Short summary:
Poor battery
Poor Contrast
They confirm that g2 is using an other panel
Numbers make no sense when compared to the LG G2. The LG G2 gets twice the battery life with a battery that is only 30% larger? Apparently LG's software is RIDICULOUSLY efficient. . . .
muyoso said:
Numbers make no sense when compared to the LG G2. The LG G2 gets twice the battery life with a battery that is only 30% larger? Apparently LG's software is RIDICULOUSLY efficient. . . .
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Yes it does seem rather strange, isn't 4.4 meant to be more efficient in general as well? This should close the gap not increase it!
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Numbers make no sense when compared to the LG G2. The LG G2 gets twice the battery life with a battery that is only 30% larger? Apparently LG's software is RIDICULOUSLY efficient. . . .
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Take a more efficient screen into the account (the G2's LCDD posts VERY impressive power results), less throttling and some alternatives to Google services. Nexus battery life always sucked on stock, something is up with Google services, they are unoptimized or some ****. Nothing surprising here really.
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Take a more efficient screen into the account (the G2's LCDD posts VERY impressive power results), less throttling and some alternatives to Google services. Nexus battery life always sucked on stock, something is up with Google services, they are unoptimized or some ****. Nothing surprising here really.
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Almost none of that is relevant for the call time test. I just don't get how the G2 with a 30% higher battery can have double the call time.
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Almost none of that is relevant for the call time test. I just don't get how the G2 with a 30% higher battery can have double the call time.
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There are lot of variables. What goes on in the background, how much resources the dial app takes and what services it starts, how hot the phone gets during call, powering the microphones and speaker - and then there's reception. I trust GSM Arena does the test at the same place, so if the Nexus 5's antenna isn't as good at getting signal as the G2 for whatever reason (different module, different construction, different placement etc.), results can be vastly different.
"Those who favor more natural reproduction will certainly be happy with the Nexus 5 screen, though."
I'm all for natural reproduction....
did not need a review to confirm these details for me.. heh.
phone has left me less than impressed.
Tung_meister said:
Yes it does seem rather strange, isn't 4.4 meant to be more efficient in general as well? This should close the gap not increase it!
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Who said 4.4 was supposed to be more efficient? What I saw for the past few weeks were random forum members making assumptions. No official statement at all. In addition to that, people making assumptions that skins use more battery. I think a lot of us knew deep down inside this was going to happen, more or less.
Also note, the G2 has the GRAM feature that they advertised as a battery saver.
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did not need a review to confirm these details for me.. heh.
phone has left me less than impressed.
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Same here. I'm still using my Moto X because the N5 just doesn't do it for me. I pick it up and fiddle with it from time to time but that's about it.
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Same here. I'm still using my Moto X because the N5 just doesn't do it for me. I pick it up and fiddle with it from time to time but that's about it.
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What do you like so much about the moto x? I prefer talking to real life people rather than to a phone...
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What do you like so much about the moto x? I prefer talking to real life people rather than to a phone...
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I don't even use the touchless control, it's been disabled since day one. I love the screen, the feel in the hand, the build quality, ridiculously good battery life, and the icing on the cake- active notifications. Sure the N5 is slightly faster (barely), but this day and age that's not enough. The Moto X is the full package, the N5 is just... meh. Of course that is just my opinion. If the Moto X wasn't around, I'd likely be singing praises about the N5. But since I have the X to compare it to, it doesn't fare so well.
Comparing the battery results it looks like the biggest difference between Nexus 5 and LG G2 is in video playback and web browsing, so when the screen is on and not as much on 3G talk time, when the screen is off.
So, i wondered how these tests are done and according to here http://www.gsmarena.com/gsmarena_lab_tests-review-751p6.php, it looks like they are done on 50% brightness. But, after searching a bit more, i found this post http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=47174975&postcount=42, which shows that the Nexus screen is fairly brighter than G2.
In the gsmarena review http://www.gsmarena.com/lg_nexus_5-review-1011p3.php, in the comparison table on the bottom of the page, the nexus seems twice as bright as the G2 at 50% brightness.
So, correct me if i am wrong, but where i am trying to conclude is that doing the tests in the same brightness through each phone's settings isn't very accurate and thus the bigger than expected difference between the two smartphones.
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Comparing the battery results it looks like the biggest difference between Nexus 5 and LG G2 is in video playback and web browsing, so when the screen is on and not as much on 3G talk time, when the screen is off.
So, i wondered how these tests are done and according to here http://www.gsmarena.com/gsmarena_lab_tests-review-751p6.php, it looks like they are done on 50% brightness. But, after searching a bit more, i found this post http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=47174975&postcount=42, which shows that the Nexus screen is fairly brighter than G2.
In the gsmarena review http://www.gsmarena.com/lg_nexus_5-review-1011p3.php, in the comparison table on the bottom of the page, the nexus seems twice as bright as the G2 at 50% brightness.
So, correct me if i am wrong, but where i am trying to conclude is that doing the tests in the same brightness through each phone's settings isn't very accurate and thus the bigger than expected difference between the two smartphones.
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I'm with you. Screen battery tests should be calibrated by brightness, not by percentage. Otherwise, dim screens win by default, which is absurd. Nexus 5 display is very bright. VERY. I had to install Lux to just dim it a bit as auto-brightness was too aggressive out of the box.
Having said that, for me battery life is pretty good. I am coming from Galaxy Nexus and N5 gives me close to double battery life in my everyday usage. I'm sure we will see battery saving ROMs pretty soon too, so folks who need to bleed their phones to the last drop will have the opportunity.
I find battery reviews massively subjective - I just want a phone that won't die if I don't charge it after getting out of bed @ 7am, before 10pm.. after a few calls and 2 hrs of screen on, fbook, texts, etc. My N5 has been on battery almost 13hrs now and is at 66%... my old SGII would be at 10%, so personally this is a massive improvement.
If you always want the latest and greatest all around, Nexus phones typically aren't going to fill the boot. If you upgrade your phone every year and a bit or less and are logical enough to factor in price, they will.
Interesting that the G2 is over 4x brighter at 100% brightness than at 50% brightness according to GSMArena. That probably helped its battery life score with them a fair bit.
http://blog.gsmarena.com/apple-iphone-5s-battery-test/
iphone 5s 10 hrs web browsing ..
I love nexus ... but 4 .. seriously ?
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I don't even use the touchless control, it's been disabled since day one. I love the screen, the feel in the hand, the build quality, ridiculously good battery life, and the icing on the cake- active notifications. Sure the N5 is slightly faster (barely), but this day and age that's not enough. The Moto X is the full package, the N5 is just... meh. Of course that is just my opinion. If the Moto X wasn't around, I'd likely be singing praises about the N5. But since I have the X to compare it to, it doesn't fare so well.
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Its funny because I came from the moto x and I couldn't disagree more... It just goes to show that everyone is different and likes different things I guess haha
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http://blog.gsmarena.com/apple-iphone-5s-battery-test/
iphone 5s 10 hrs web browsing ..
I love nexus ... but 4 .. seriously ?
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Iphone 5s screen is also half as bright as nexus 5 at 50% brightness.
For most people this kind of batt life is fine (Stock)
Samsung 'G906S' appears in benchmark results with 1440p display, Snapdragon 805
The article can be read here.
http://m.androidcentral.com/samsung-g906s-phone-appears-benchmark-results-1440p-display
Looks like this could be a beastly variant of the s5. Thoughts?
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Could be very possible, or it could be faked.
what i am intrigued about is, has there ever been a different variant of a flagship device with differences such as camera and screen size?
Could it maybe be a different line of product like maybe galaxy round 2 or something? :S
There was a benchmark a couple months ago for SM-900S with a 5.2in QHD display, 3GB, Snapdragon 805, etc...so I'm not holding my breath over this latest "benchmark".
I think it' fake. The score is too low.
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S as in Android Silver edition? A reason why we haven't heard anything about the GPE S5? Just throwing that out there
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I think it' fake. The score is too low.
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Qualcomm only just started sampling the 805 chips, so it's only fair that benchmark scores are low. I think it's real, far too many indications were out there for months, and several SM-G900 leaks turned out to be accurate. The reason for no confirmation of the SM-G906 is because, in my view, Samsung is holding out for higher QHD yield and the SD805/A420 to support the high resolution. Hence no announcement just yet. Also, because the S5 was announced earlier than S-series before, there's a larger time gap between the year's top phone and phablet, where the premium series could fit just in, around May or June. It all makes sense.
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Qualcomm only just started sampling the 805 chips, so it's only fair that benchmark scores are low. I think it's real, far too many indications were out there for months, and several SM-G900 leaks turned out to be accurate. The reason for no confirmation of the SM-G906 is because, in my view, Samsung is holding out for higher QHD yield and the SD805/A420 to support the high resolution. Hence no announcement just yet. Also, because the S5 was announced earlier than S-series before, there's a larger time gap between the year's top phone and phablet, where the premium series could fit just in, around May or June. It all makes sense.
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Actually it doesn't. If QC is just sampling them now, you think their mass production will be ready by may or june?
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Actually it doesn't. If QC is just sampling them now, you think their mass production will be ready by may or june?
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I don't see why not, if Samsung, Nokia etc. got their hands on the 805 samples in March, that leaves them 4 months until a June launch to get drivers ready, plenty of time. Early QHD benchmarks ran on SD800 and only recently the SD805 popped up, indicating Sammy got the samples in the past couple of weeks, and they are already running the benchmarks so drivers are in a healthy state.
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I don't see why not, if Samsung, Nokia etc. got their hands on the 805 samples in March, that leaves them 4 months until a June launch to get drivers ready, plenty of time. Early QHD benchmarks ran on SD800 and only recently the SD805 popped up, indicating Sammy got the samples in the past couple of weeks, and they are already running the benchmarks so drivers are in a healthy state.
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At any rate, I don't see why they would just want to create a QHD screen, that brings literally no improvement over the current displays, it just brings disadvantages (more battery use, more CPU/GPU intensive,...). It would be better for them to improve other statistics of the phone.
E.g.: keep 1080p display and soon the 3Dmark benchmarks will run at 60fps with newer SoCs.
Look at it this way: the S5 with Sn-801 SoC will run just as performant as the S5(+?) with Sn-805, and that all because of a screen that draws 60% more power but looks the same.
degast said:
At any rate, I don't see why they would just want to create a QHD screen, that brings literally no improvement over the current displays, it just brings disadvantages (more battery use, more CPU/GPU intensive,...). It would be better for them to improve other statistics of the phone.
E.g.: keep 1080p display and soon the 3Dmark benchmarks will run at 60fps with newer SoCs.
Look at it this way: the S5 with Sn-801 SoC will run just as performant as the S5(+?) with Sn-805, and that all because of a screen that draws 60% more power but looks the same.
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While I'm not all that excited about a QHD screen on a ~5"ish screen, ppl. comparing the Oppo Find 7's QHD phablet screen to a Note 3' 1080p did say it's sharper and text is easier, smoother to read. Besides, contrary to logic, there is no correlation between screen resolution and battery drain, the Galaxy S4's, Note 3's and G2's larger-than-predecessor FHD screens are each more efficient than the S3's Note 3's and Optimus G's 720p. So there is no battery disadvantage.
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While I'm not all that excited about a QHD screen on a ~5"ish screen, ppl. comparing the Oppo Find 7's QHD phablet screen to a Note 3' 1080p did say it's sharper and text is easier, smoother to read. Besides, contrary to logic, there is no correlation between screen resolution and battery drain, the Galaxy S4's, Note 3's and G2's larger-than-predecessor FHD screens are each more efficient than the S3's Note 3's and Optimus G's 720p. So there is no battery disadvantage.
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There is a big (read huge) battery difference:
1080p screen: 2.073.600 pixels
QHD screen: 3.686.400 pixels
In other words 78% more pixels.
And you are saying that doesn't drain more battery?
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There is a big (read huge) battery difference:
1080p screen: 2.073.600 pixels
QHD screen: 3.686.400 pixels
In other words 78% more pixels.
And you are saying that doesn't drain more battery?
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I've already said that the larger / higher pixel count S4 / N3 / G2 screen is more efficient than the S3 / N2 / OptG, that's cause the screen area didn't change much (more pixels needing less light to bright it up), while energy saving improved faster than resolution. Which is why the S5 AMOLED is larger, brighter AND more efficient than the S4, which is larger, brighter, higher res AND more efficient than the S3's, which is larger, brighter, higher res AND more efficient than the S2.
So yeah, there is no direct correlation between resolution and battery drainage increase. Whatever effect it may have power saving technology is advancing faster. A QHD AMOLED should do just fine.
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I've already said that the larger / higher pixel count S4 / N3 / G2 screen is more efficient than the S3 / N2 / OptG, that's cause the screen area didn't change much (more pixels needing less light to bright it up), while energy saving improved faster than resolution. Which is why the S5 AMOLED is larger, brighter AND more efficient than the S4, which is larger, brighter, higher res AND more efficient than the S3's, which is larger, brighter, higher res AND more efficient than the S2.
So yeah, there is no direct correlation between resolution and battery drainage increase. Whatever effect it may have power saving technology is advancing faster. A QHD AMOLED should do just fine.
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Until battery tests show up, I'm not going to discuss it anymore, but you will find that it will require a lot more CPU/GPU power to deliver similar quality compared to current devices.
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Until battery tests show up, I'm not going to discuss it anymore, but you will find that it will require a lot more CPU/GPU power to deliver similar quality compared to current devices.
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No need to discuss, I've already told you how it's so. Each year Samsung increased screen size and pixel count (S5 not counting, but it's far better than the S4), and decreased power consumption. They know what they are doing mate, see video playback hours (least CPU intensive screen-on test).
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No need to discuss, I've already told you how it's so. Each year Samsung increased screen size and pixel count (S5 not counting, but it's far better than the S4), and decreased power consumption. They know what they are doing mate, see video playback hours (least CPU intensive screen-on test).
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Still, it's going to require more GPU ticks to give a similar performance than on lower pixel devices.
It's fake. No point in arguing/debating over a fake benchmark. Move along folks. Nothing to see here.
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Still, it's going to require more GPU ticks to give a similar performance than on lower pixel devices.
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Anywhere but heavy gaming it won't show, Adreno is efficient in 2D tasks. Gaming will be affected, but the S5 posted some of the best gaming battery results. Trust me on this, if it comes, and surely with 3000mAh at least, the phone will have similarly good endurance as the latest Sammies.
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There is most definitely a difference in battery life with a bigger screen. You are comparing apples to oranges by comparing last year's models battery life to this year's. What you should be thinking about is would the battery life be affected in the s4 if it was the same specs with an qhd v hd screen? Of course it would, both the processor and the gpu have work harder to power the extra pixels. What would be way cooler would be instead of wasting a years worth of efficiency gains on screen resolution, use those gains for improved performance and battery life. I think those specs are soon going to be the spec war targets.
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QUOTE=djdurban;51669376]There is most definitely a difference in battery life with a bigger screen. You are comparing apples to oranges by comparing last year's models battery life to this year's. What you should be thinking about is would the battery life be affected in the s4 if it was the same specs with an qhd v hd screen? Of course it would, both the processor and the gpu have work harder to power the extra pixels. What would be way cooler would be instead of wasting a years worth of efficiency gains on screen resolution, use those gains for improved performance and battery life. I think those specs are soon going to be the spec war targets.
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Seriously?dont even look at other phones just look at note 3 and yet the s5 outlasts it that means everything,
I don't think so... Maybe that spects will be realeased about Q3/Q4 2014, with the Note 4 (with bigger display of course), LG G3 or Nexus 6.
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http://www.engadget.com/2014/06/18/korean-samsung-galaxy-s5-has-qhd-snapdragon-805
Only for Korean market.
Oh Dear.... soon to be an influx of Samsung haters, saying the usual things like Samsung can go to hell, Samsung betrayed us ect ect ect.
Me i will continue to enjoy my bog standard S5, until i decide next year what to replace it with.
Too bad it's a korean exclusive for now
I still don't see how anyone could be surprised about that.
Or has everyone forgotten about the S4 Advanced LTE-A already?
Honestly people, business as usual...
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I still don't see how anyone could be surprised about that.
Or has everyone forgotten about the S4 Advanced LTE-A already?
Honestly people, business as usual...
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Did S4 advanced have a better screen than S4 ?
Out of interest, will it ACTUALLY be that much/if any faster anyway?
Would be interested if anyone with the tech knowledge could chime in....because it seems to me that the slightly faster snapdragon 805 is probably 'cancelled out' in effectiveness by the fact that the handset is now having to power a quad hd screen instead of standard 1080p.
Thoughts?
I can tell you for a fact that my gf's older macbook pro is snappier in day-to-day ui movements than my newer retina mbp which I'm guessing must be due to the added strain of those extra pixels.
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Did S4 advanced have a better screen than S4 ?
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So?? I don't get your logic.
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Out of interest, will it ACTUALLY be that much/if any faster anyway?
Would be interested if anyone with the tech knowledge could chime in....because it seems to me that the slightly faster snapdragon 805 is probably 'cancelled out' in effectiveness by the fact that the handset is now having to power a quad hd screen instead of standard 1080p.
Thoughts?
I can tell you for a fact that my gf's older macbook pro is snappier in day-to-day ui movements than my newer retina mbp which I'm guessing must be due to the added strain of those extra pixels.
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There's been quite a bit of discussion in the M8 comparison thread about the impact of QHD on the LG G3. Cliff notes:
- Performance on S-801 took a pretty big hit
- Battery life took a hit
- Display contrast, black levels, and reflectivity all took hits
S-805 isn't a minor upgrade. It and Adreno 440 should allow QHD to perform as well and most likely better than S-801/1080P. So battery life and the quality of Samsung's QHD display are questions left to answer. The M8 thread also has discussion on the value of going from 1080P to QHD which is really pretty limited.
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Out of interest, will it ACTUALLY be that much/if any faster anyway?
Would be interested if anyone with the tech knowledge could chime in....because it seems to me that the slightly faster snapdragon 805 is probably 'cancelled out' in effectiveness by the fact that the handset is now having to power a quad hd screen instead of standard 1080p.
Thoughts?
I can tell you for a fact that my gf's older macbook pro is snappier in day-to-day ui movements than my newer retina mbp which I'm guessing must be due to the added strain of those extra pixels.
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Performance isn't 'canceled out' since the 805 can handle Ultra HD (4K) screens. The following scteenshot is from Qualcomm's site which summarizes the specs of both the 801 and 805. Snapdragon 805 breakdown
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However, QHD content is currently limited to whatever bloat comes pre-installed from Samsung and wallpapers you can find online . As a result, people can't yet take full advantage of of that high res screen until app developers update their apps and there are very little YouTube videos above 1080p.
3GB RAM vs 2GB in the S5.
Great Samsung. Great.
That phone is a beast. But so is the regular galaxy S5. I don't think ppl should be upset really, its business. If you enjoy your phone then just enjoy it.
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There will be little or no QHD (2K) native content. Commercial content will be 1080p or UHD (4K). That means it'll be up and down scaled which impacts image quality. QHD is a marketing ploy of questionable value. Lots of reasons supporting this in the M8 comparison thread.
This is indeed a good read regarding Snapdragon 805's cpu and gpu power.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/8035/qualcomm-snapdragon-805-performance-preview
From there I got couple important points:
The 805 can handle a QuadHD resolution device at the same frame rate and with same performance that an 801 can drive a 1080p device.
It is said to use 20% less power and provide 40% more performance compared to an 800 SoC
The 805 has small (comparatively) cpu boost and significant gpu and video engines boost.
The GPU tests were there. It nailed pretty much everything.
The 805 has HEVC HW decoder, but no HEVC HW Acceleration until the 810 SoC comes out in H1 2015.
I personally did not know what HEVC was. It is actually H.265 codec that provides magnificent video output at much lower bitrate than ax264/h.264 encoded video.
I curiously downloaded Big Buck Bunny 1080p encoded with HEVC that sized only 130 MB. The h.264/x264 encoded video was available at the Big Buck Bunny's official website to download which was roughly 700 MB. The 130 MB file indeed provided great output compared to its regular 700MB variant!
The only thing I´d like in my S5 is 3GB ram. I do not want a QHD display which will only drain extra battery without me even being able to tell the difference.
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The only thing I´d like in my S5 is 3GB ram. I do not want a QHD display which will only drain extra battery without me even being able to tell the difference.
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Why would you like 3gb of ram? Have you ever run out of it on your S5?
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Yeah alot of times, many apps have to reload when multitasking, it´s clearly not as good at multitasking as the note3 for instance.
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Why would you like 3gb of ram? Have you ever run out of it on your S5?
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So true. Someone above wants S-805 because it's "faster." Faster at what? 85% of apps don't use more than two cores according to Qualcomm. Screen transitions and app openings certainly don't need S-805. In every upgrade cycle (720p/S-600<>1080p/S-800<>QHD/S-805) the potentially huge gains in performance and battery life ended up minor because of the resources consumed by the display. Let's see some benchmarks from the SGS5 LTE-A before everyone wets themselves over it. Display quality took a big hit on the LG G3. Let's see how Samsung does.
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So true. Someone above wants S-805 because it's "faster." Faster at what? 85% of apps don't use more than two cores according to Qualcomm. Screen transitions and app openings certainly don't need S-805. In every upgrade cycle (720p/S-6001080p/S-800QHD/S-805) the potentially huge gains in performance and battery life ended up minor because of the resources consumed by the display. Let's see some benchmarks from the SGS5 LTE-A before everyone wets themselves over it. Display quality took a big hit on the LG G3. Let's see how Samsung does.
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Yeah, that's exactly why I asked. I don't think people understand how ram works, they just want more because it sounds good.
Unused ram is exactly that, unused ram. No matter how many apps I've had open at once, I've never reached near 2gb of usage.
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Yeah, that's exactly why I asked. I don't think people understand how ram works, they just want more because it sounds good.
Unused ram is exactly that, unused ram. No matter how many apps I've had open at once, I've never reached near 2gb of usage.
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Same here. And it's a Korea exclusive, I don't know why people are whining.
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Yeah, that's exactly why I asked. I don't think people understand how ram works, they just want more because it sounds good.
Unused ram is exactly that, unused ram. No matter how many apps I've had open at once, I've never reached near 2gb of usage.
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That´s because the phone hibernates apps before it ever reaches full RAM usage. More RAM = more open apps which allows for faster multitasking. You´d think this was basic knowledge by now.
I´m sure you all have switched to an open app only to have it reload like it was first opened.
Coming from an iPhone with 1GB of ram I am overly aware of this issue.
And no I do not want the new S5, I just wish Samsung had put 3gb in the S5 in the first place, like they did in the note3.
The 90 Hz refresh rate seems to be taking a toll on the batterylife of OnePlus 7 Pro even when equipped with a 4000 mAh battery.
As MKBHD reviews , 4 and half hr of SOT is definitely not great. (Skip to 06:37)
Just wait for more reviews.
the review of the verge stated completely the opposite. Battery life depends so much on the use.. Keep wifi on with mobile data, gps and everything and it drops way faster. Keep a bit of attention what to keep on, lower the brightness just 10% and you get easiliy a screen on time more.
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Just wait for more reviews.
the review of the verge stated completely the opposite. Battery life depends so much on the use.. Keep wifi on with mobile data, gps and everything and it drops way faster. Keep a bit of attention what to keep on, lower the brightness just 10% and you get easiliy a screen on time more.
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How to well setup the phone to get good batterylife I'm well aware. , it's just that no one should be compelled to turn this phone into a dumbphone to get good batterylife as the refresh rate is not downgradable.
Let's hope more and more reviewers/users do not get similar results like Marques. :good:
*edit: Refresh rate is downgradable to 60Hz.
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How to well setup the phone to get good batterylife I'm well aware. , it's just that no one should be compelled to turn this phone into a dumbphone to get good batterylife as the refresh rate is not downgradable.
Let's hope more and more reviewers/users do not get similar results like Marques. :good:
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You can turn to 60 hz in the settings and also 1080p. So you can get better battery when needes.
Look at other reviews.. 7-8 hours SOT.. MKBHD always gets low SOT.. he uses max screen brightness, 10000 notifications a day...
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You can turn to 60 hz in the settings and also 1080p. So you can get better battery when needes.
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My bad, I heard CAN as CAN'T :silly: in that video at 07.20, thanks for the correction. But then downgrading to 60Hz should not be considered as "the solution" as 90Hz is what separates the screen from others.
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Look at other reviews.. 7-8 hours SOT.. MKBHD always gets low SOT.. he uses max screen brightness, 10000 notifications a day...
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True that MKBHD always gets low due to his "usage".
We also see that, he gets more batterylife in phones like S10+, way more in P30 Pro etc..so OP7 Pro's endurance would mostly fall below those chart toppers - should suffice most users.
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My bad, I heard CAN as CAN'T :silly: in that video at 07.20, thanks for the correction. But then downgrading to 60Hz should not be considered as "the solution" as 90Hz is what separates the screen from others.
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It is a solution though. It's eating the battery more so if you want better Battey life you have to downgrade.
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It is a solution though. It's eating the battery more so if you want better Battey life you have to downgrade.
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That's a "workaround" at the cost of sacrificing the USP of the product itself- OnePlus has been so hyping and bragging about.
So you buy a 90hz phone but use it at 60hz to save battery haha. I remembered the old days when ppl buy a car they want a $2000 ac option but rarely use it because the car wont last long
In one review it was said that Oneplus is currently working on an adaptive refresh rate (and probably also resolution), which would lower it automatically when unnecessary: For example, if you watch a youtube video thats 20min long you don't need the 90Hz as you'll barely touch the screen and there is no 90Hz content. That would be the ideal solution.
It might, but I am sure the optimization of the OXYGEN system will handle that perfectly!
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In one review it was said that Oneplus is currently working on an adaptive refresh rate (and probably also resolution), which would lower it automatically when unnecessary: For example, if you watch a youtube video thats 20min long you don't need the 90Hz as you'll barely touch the screen and there is no 90Hz content. That would be the ideal solution.
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1. It's the "possibility" of a "Dynamic Refresh Rate" OnePlus is working on to push via software update and only FUTURE will tell.
2. "Dynamic Resolution" is the other measure in which, having the screen resolution at full resolution most of the time, it automatically scales down the resolution to 1080p while playing 1080p content.
*(Both points described on the OP, at 07:45).
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1. It's the "possibility" of a "Dynamic Refresh Rate" OnePlus is working on to push via software update and only FUTURE will tell.
2. "Dynamic Resolution" is the other measure in which, having the screen resolution at full resolution most of the time, it automatically scales down the resolution to 1080p while playing 1080p content.
*(Both points described on the OP, at 07:45).
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Whoops, didn't see that youtube link in the OP
"OnePlus 7 Pro vs Samsung S10 Plus / iPhone XS Max / P30 Pro / Xiaomi Mi 9 Battery Life DRAIN TEST" :
Just give the phone a few weeks after some updates im sure op7 pro will be better in terms of battery! the phone just released yesterday guys..calm down
No matter what phone I purchased since the good ole days, "5 years ago" when batteries were replaceable I have never been happy with battery life. Why does everybody who builds devices have to make batteries as thin as possible ? An extra 2 to 3 mm if they can give me an extra few hours before looking for a charge is better that a super slim device. Now even they worst case was true 4 hours screen on time, I rarely use my phone four hours a day, the battery life should be fine.
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1. It's the "possibility" of a "Dynamic Refresh Rate" OnePlus is working on to push via software update and only FUTURE will tell.
2. "Dynamic Resolution" is the other measure in which, having the screen resolution at full resolution most of the time, it automatically scales down the resolution to 1080p while playing 1080p content.
*(Both points described on the OP, at 07:45).
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If this is anything like their Adaptive Battery on the 6T....forget it..it won't work worth garbage...haha
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If this is anything like their Adaptive Battery on the 6T....forget it..it won't work worth garbage...haha
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Adaptive battery somewhat works in my Galaxy S10 Plus I believe.
When it comes to OP, only time will tell about that "Dynamic refresh rate" ...these terms though ? reminded me of "Intelligent Pixel Technology" with the OP5T's secondary camera and it was anything but what it was meant for.
...Let's see. ?
I'm averaging about 6 hours SOT but I haven't done anything too intensive. I'll have to wait and see on battery but I haven't been disappointed at all.