I've had pretty much every nexus device, but last year I decided to get myself an Iphone 6, but I really missed android, so I'm about to get the nexus 6 but some issues are keeping me from doing it, I've read quite a few reviews and I'm concerned about the following issues:
1. Why is the camera so slow to take pictures? You think it could improve in the future? That's probably the thing I like the most about the iphone 6, how good the pictures come and how the camera is blazing fast
2. Is it true that the device is slower than the nexus 5? Have updates improved this situation? My nexus 5 already stuttered with Lollipop, Ive read quite a few reports about the phone slowing down and lagging for no apparent reason (except for maybe the quadHD killing the cpu/gpu)
3. How true are the reports of screen burn in?
4. How do non google apps and icons look? I imagine pretty bad since facebook or instagram's icons haven't even been updated to take advantage of a 1080p screen
5. Is it true that the device has slow storage a step down from the nexus reading and writing speeds?
Thanks for your help
Chad_Petree said:
I've had pretty much every nexus device, but last year I decided to get myself an Iphone 6, but I really missed android, so I'm about to get the nexus 6 but some issues are keeping me from doing it, I've read quite a few reviews and I'm concerned about the following issues:
1. Why is the camera so slow to take pictures? You think it could improve in the future? That's probably the thing I like the most about the iphone 6, how good the pictures come and how the camera is blazing fast
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The actual act of taking a picture is fast, its just focusing that is slow. If you focus manually or fixed, it will take pictures amazingly fast.
2. Is it true that the device is slower than the nexus 5? Have updates improved this situation? My nexus 5 already stuttered with Lollipop, Ive read quite a few reports about the phone slowing down and lagging for no apparent reason (except for maybe the quadHD killing the cpu/gpu)
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Not at all true.
3. How true are the reports of screen burn in?
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Completely imaginary.
4. How do non google apps and icons look? I imagine pretty bad since facebook or instagram's icons haven't even been updated to take advantage of a 1080p screen
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Where are you coming up with these questions? The only icon I've seen that actually looks bad, is the one for my bank... and it looks bad on ANY screen. Screen resolution is not so tightly tied to "icons" -- bigger screen = more icons. Also, Nexus 5 was already a 1080p display. I also hardly consider this question to be meaningful. Who really cares what icons look like? The objective is to maximize USEFULNESS.
5. Is it true that the device has slow storage a step down from the nexus reading and writing speeds?
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No. Flash storage is blazingly fast on this device, HOWEVER, the "default configuration" enables data partition encryption by force, which reduces the EFFECTIVE flash performance to nexus 5 level (which is still very good). Simple adjustment to a text file on the boot partition allows this to be disabled. It is also probable/possible that Google will be enabling hardware crypto on the next update.
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The actual act of taking a picture is fast, its just focusing that is slow. If you focus manually or fixed, it will take pictures amazingly fast.
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I see, we will see if it changes with the 5.1" update, I remember the first big update for the nexus 5 did wonders for the camera
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Completely imaginary.
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http://nexus5.wonderhowto.com/how-to/fix-screen-burns-your-nexus-6-other-amoled-device-0159397/
http://forum.xda-developers.com/nexus-6/general/burn-t2955765
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Where are you coming up with these questions? The only icon I've seen that actually looks bad, is the one for my bank... and it looks bad on ANY screen. Screen resolution is not so tightly tied to "icons" -- bigger screen = more icons. Also, Nexus 5 was already a 1080p display. I also hardly consider this question to be meaningful. Who really cares what icons look like? The objective is to maximize USEFULNESS.
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I'm sorry, I know it sounds ridiculous but I'm studying to become a designer and that kind of things really bother me , as far as I know if you don't update the resolution for the icons and increase the resolution of the display you end up with fuzzy icons
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No. Flash storage is blazingly fast on this device, HOWEVER, the "default configuration" enables data partition encryption by force, which reduces the EFFECTIVE flash performance to nexus 5 level (which is still very good). Simple adjustment to a text file on the boot partition allows this to be disabled. It is also probable/possible that Google will be enabling hardware crypto on the next update.
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I'm in agreement with @doitright. I can say nothing but good about this device. I do not have any of those issues nor know of any that do. As with any device though there are always some bad ones that an unlucky few receive. It does not make all of them bad just those. My phone is a beast. It outperforms the N5 by miles. Screen looks amazing. Icons to me look great I haven't come across a bad looking icon except that of my bank.... I guess banks hire poor developers idk. Storage is incredibly fast. Camera is fantastic. Fastest signal acquisition I've seen on any phone including GPS.
Eh. Entirely up to you what you want to do. I don't trust any reviews. I rather go with my own opinions/feelings on anything. You should too.
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I'm sorry, I know it sounds ridiculous but I'm studying to become a designer and that kind of things really bother me , as far as I know if you don't update the resolution for the icons and increase the resolution of the display you end up with fuzzy icons
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App icons are controlled by the dev. I've never seen a fuzzy one.
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No. Flash storage is blazingly fast on this device, HOWEVER, the "default configuration" enables data partition encryption by force, which reduces the EFFECTIVE flash performance to nexus 5 level (which is still very good). Simple adjustment to a text file on the boot partition allows this to be disabled. It is also probable/possible that Google will be enabling hardware crypto on the next update.
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I'm awaiting this Thursday to grab one on VZ, coming from a Galaxy Nexus, anything I could get now would be a major update hardware wise, however the only exception I take is the last part of this, not trying so start anything, your other parts are spot on.
The current speculation is that 5.1 may go backwards on forcing software encryption, but nothing is confirmed there, see last paragraph:
http://www.slashgear.com/android-5-1-in-march-heres-what-may-be-coming-18369666/
If the Nexus 6 had the HW encryption on it, and I cant confirm it does, we're left with these options:
1 - they do enable it, which begs why it wasn't in the first place. Current rumor is that the qualcomm drivers for that engine are not open source, therefore it is a no no on android:
http://androidheadlines.com/2014/11...ency-likely-due-missing-qualcomm-drivers.html
2 - they tweak the software encryption, which if you check the threads, opinions really vary here. if you need to irk the absolute most out if it for read write, then undo it. But plenty of others have chimed in saying it wasn't that big an increase, i believe it to be what you may be using on the device that makes the difference, more intensive apps may cause the SW process to bog down, but in all, it is still fast.
3 - they disable it by default, which I wonder how that would be accomplished in an OTA, it would need to wipe the device I'm sure, but ...
4 - Lastly, if in fact they cant use the engine, or it wasn't included (doubtful, it has qualcomm in it) then you cant enable it by an OTA, end of that story.
Personally, if I grab the N6 this week, I plan on unlocking/rooting/removing VZ oem partition, but for the moment leaving encryption on, because 5.1 may drop in March, and then see how things are at that juncture.
It would be great if they could enable HW encryption, because we get that security and maintain read write offloaded from the CPU.
Lastly, I plan on trying to enjoy the thing, playing with it for at least an hour in store before taking it (you never know) because as most of us here are OC hehe, reading all the threads of issues before buying it is kinda a downer. I know I'm going to love it, having waited three years to update myself.
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The current speculation is that 5.1 may go backwards on forcing software encryption, but nothing is confirmed there, see last paragraph:
http://www.slashgear.com/android-5-1-in-march-heres-what-may-be-coming-18369666/
If the Nexus 6 had the HW encryption on it, and I cant confirm it does, we're left with these options:
1 - they do enable it, which begs why it wasn't in the first place. Current rumor is that the qualcomm drivers for that engine are not open source, therefore it is a no no on android:
http://androidheadlines.com/2014/11...ency-likely-due-missing-qualcomm-drivers.html.
3 - they disable it by default, which I wonder how that would be accomplished in an OTA, it would need to wipe the device I'm sure, but ...
4 - Lastly, if in fact they cant use the engine, or it wasn't included (doubtful, it has qualcomm in it) then you cant enable it by an OTA, end of that story.
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That's what I was thinking about, would it be possible for them to get rid of the encryption with an OTA , I would think that one needs to factory reset your device
Chad_Petree said:
I see, we will see if it changes with the 5.1" update, I remember the first big update for the nexus 5 did wonders for the camera
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Focus is a PHYSICAL MOVEMENT of the lens. No update will change the amount of time it takes to move the lens.
http://nexus5.wonderhowto.com/how-to/fix-screen-burns-your-nexus-6-other-amoled-device-0159397/
http://forum.xda-developers.com/nexus-6/general/burn-t2955765
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I congratulate you on finding a thread about an imaginary problem, and a "fix" for an imaginary problem.
There is a certain subset of people who will do anything, IMAGINE anything, to find a problem. Don't ask me why they are like that. Sucks to be them.
I'm sorry, I know it sounds ridiculous but I'm studying to become a designer and that kind of things really bother me , as far as I know if you don't update the resolution for the icons and increase the resolution of the display you end up with fuzzy icons
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You can't do anything to increase the fuzzyness of an image, unless you actually stretch it larger. I.e., if it takes the same physical space on the screen, then increasing the DPI on the screen won't cause it to become more fuzzy -- it just won't increase in SHARPNESS with the display. Google has specifications regarding the dimensions of the icons, and these specifications have always included a "much larger" image than what will actually display on the screen. The icons actually get scaled down to fit. So really, don't worry about it. If you find an application with a ugly/fuzzy icon, complain to the application vendor, because they're the ones who made an ugly icon, not the platform.
I just can't stress enough, that this is a silly point to use to avoid a device.
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I'm awaiting this Thursday to grab one on VZ, coming from a Galaxy Nexus, anything I could get now would be a major update hardware wise, however the only exception I take is the last part of this, not trying so start anything, your other parts are spot on.
The current speculation is that 5.1 may go backwards on forcing software encryption, but nothing is confirmed there, see last paragraph:
http://www.slashgear.com/android-5-1-in-march-heres-what-may-be-coming-18369666/
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I *absolutely promise you* that they WILL NOT eliminate the encryption requirement. Those "android one" devices are... really really cheap. It is likely that they don't force encryption simply because they are not up to the task.
If the Nexus 6 had the HW encryption on it, and I cant confirm it does, we're left with these options:
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I CAN confirm that it does. There is no question at all. It is part of all snapdragon SoC's since about S4.
1 - they do enable it, which begs why it wasn't in the first place. Current rumor is that the qualcomm drivers for that engine are not open source, therefore it is a no no on android:
http://androidheadlines.com/2014/11...ency-likely-due-missing-qualcomm-drivers.html
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There are two sides to the use of encryption hardware with qualcomm SoC's; the first is the "blobs", and the second is the integration with Android and the Linux kernel. Specifically, qualcomm's hardware crypto requires changes both to the kernel (which is under GPL), as well as VOLD (which is under APL).
Obviously, to include the kernel part, that kernel part MUST be provided as source. There is absolutely no option here.
VOLD is the part of Android responsible for mounting and managing disks. It is under the Apache license, which means that technically speaking, it can be distributed without including source, HOWEVER, this is a Nexus from Google, which means that they really can't ship a blob in place of VOLD. It has to be possible to build VOLD from AOSP.
So here is what was going on; at the time that Nexus 6 first shipped, Qualcomm HAD NOT made the source for Kernel or Vold available on CAF. That made it *impossible* for Google to include, since they would have to provide kernel code on request, and require that AOSP VOLD actually build and work.
QUALCOMM HAS SINCE MADE THE SOURCE AVAILABLE!!!!
And, in fact, there are a number of devices for which CM actually builds and includes hwcrypto *right now*.
2 - they tweak the software encryption, which if you check the threads, opinions really vary here. if you need to irk the absolute most out if it for read write, then undo it. But plenty of others have chimed in saying it wasn't that big an increase, i believe it to be what you may be using on the device that makes the difference, more intensive apps may cause the SW process to bog down, but in all, it is still fast.
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This isn't even a half solution, because even though it may seem to improve storage performance to an acceptable level, it has to nail the CPU while doing so.
3 - they disable it by default, which I wonder how that would be accomplished in an OTA, it would need to wipe the device I'm sure, but ...
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Technically possible, but I *promise* you, it won't happen.
4 - Lastly, if in fact they cant use the engine, or it wasn't included (doubtful, it has qualcomm in it) then you cant enable it by an OTA, end of that story.
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Most definitely CAN be used. No question about it.
Personally, if I grab the N6 this week, I plan on unlocking/rooting/removing VZ oem partition, but for the moment leaving encryption on, because 5.1 may drop in March, and then see how things are at that juncture.
It would be great if they could enable HW encryption, because we get that security and maintain read write offloaded from the CPU.
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You could disable crypto now, and let it encrypt when the update rolls around. Disabling forced-crypto does not prevent you from using crypto now or later.
Lastly, I plan on trying to enjoy the thing, playing with it for at least an hour in store before taking it (you never know) because as most of us here are OC hehe, reading all the threads of issues before buying it is kinda a downer. I know I'm going to love it, having waited three years to update myself.
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Keep in mind that the test unit in the store gets abused.
DIR,
Looked forward to your responses on my last post, and was not dissapointed, nice info there, especially "QUALCOMM HAS SINCE MADE THE SOURCE AVAILABLE!!!!"
so has anyone done a comparison between the hwcrypto'd CM versions and unencrypted yet?
Yeah, I know the store ones get abused, in the end it would be a N6 or a GS6 for me, and I just cannot go to touchwiz, no matter how toned down, I want pure android, and unlocking ability, etc. Kinda makes the choice or me hehehe.
Dammit VZ, if you just announce online ordering tomorrow ... grrr .....
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Focus is a PHYSICAL MOVEMENT of the lens. No update will change the amount of time it takes to move the lens.
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Oh oh well, nothing is perfect
doitright said:
You could disable crypto now, and let it encrypt when the update rolls around. Disabling forced-crypto does not prevent you from using crypto now or later.
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What would be the point of deactivating to reactivate later?
Chad_Petree said:
Oh oh well, nothing is perfect
What would be the point of deactivating to reactivate later?
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I would guess deactivate to gain read/write speed increase now, if the update enables HW encryption then you would let it.
Oh, and that is the point - nothing is perfect, not the N6, nor the units that will come after it hehehe....
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DIR,
Looked forward to your responses on my last post, and was not dissapointed, nice info there, especially "QUALCOMM HAS SINCE MADE THE SOURCE AVAILABLE!!!!"
so has anyone done a comparison between the hwcrypto'd CM versions and unencrypted yet?
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I said on *some* devices. I did not say that they were enabling it on Nexus 6.
Yeah, I know the store ones get abused, in the end it would be a N6 or a GS6 for me, and I just cannot go to touchwiz, no matter how toned down, I want pure android, and unlocking ability, etc. Kinda makes the choice or me hehehe.
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Yep, I'm totally with you on that. My last phone was a samsuck.... NEVER again. I spent WAY too many hundreds of hours on kernel and device tree maintenance to get and keep that thing working adequately on CM... then Omnirom (omni is waaaaaay nicer than CM). After a year of ownership of that thing, got the wife a Hammerhead (nexus 5), and its been just so easy to maintain. Literally all I ever did with her phone was add root, busybox, and xposed (to kill a couple of the google services wakelocks). This time around, I wanted the thing to just freaking work already!!!! Only downside is that its a bit *larger* than I would have liked.
Dammit VZ, if you just announce online ordering tomorrow ... grrr .....
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I don't think that you should buy from verizon, even if/when they sell it directly. It will likely be crippled and branded, at least to some extent. Buy it from tmobile or google play store, and all you need to do is throw your verizon sim card into it. I think I heard that sprint also does not molest it. Oh, it could also be purchased directly from motorola.
Just whatever you do, do NOT buy it from ATT. They DO molest and cripple it.
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Chad_Petree said:
What would be the point of deactivating to reactivate later?
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To gain RW performance NOW... DUH.
I'll be getting it from VZ, because I just don't have the spare $$$ to buy direct and place it on VZ.
ATT taught us that VZ will have to toss its bloat on the oem partition just like anyone else, so ... as far as branding, I think that may rub off like ATT's, but if not I plan on putting in a case anyway.
Now we have to wait another two weeks if the newest rumor is true ...
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One of my last hang ups on getting the Nexus 6 is how it will handle notifications. I know it will have Ambient Display, but from what I have been able to read, its not going to pulse like the Active Display of the normal Moto phones. Has anyone seen how the Nexus 6 will handle notifications yet?
This is exactly what I'm trying to find out, i keep checking all the unboxing and first hands on video and reviews
and they just keep talking about the size, specs and camera, i might have to pass on this nexus if it doesn't pulse in some form, i just can always keep picking up my phone check for a message.
Yep. If it doesn't pulse or blink or something, it will be a poor choice. Knowing you have a notification from across the room or in a dark room, is one of the things I like about 95% of Android phones.
The last phone I had without an LED light was the GS2, and I had to use other means.
It seems like such a simple request for anyone with the phone to check as well. Every unboxing and first impressions video I have watched (far too many) have all said that "it has moto x like notifications and that's a good thing" but every time they show the settings it doesn't indicate that it pulses or breathes. I was hoping that DL would have answered this question when they got their test units, but even they haven't yet.
I'm pretty sure Google knows it's silly to send a visible notification only once. I'm confident they've incorporated some form of pulse or renotification of some kind. Fingers crossed
In any case if it is or not just remember this. ITS A SOFTWARE FEATURE.
I mean come on guys, we are XDA. If its not perfect I am sure one or some of us here will be able to modify the feature to allow whatever we want. The feature is baked into 5.0 android now and is Open, all we have to do is work on a expanded settings system to customize it if it already does not have one. Hell if Xposed gets properly ported to ART we can surely see a module for it!
Stop acting like its the end of the world if it does/doesn't have the exact feature of software design as the Moto X. Its a software feature and if demand needs it I am sure we will find a way to make it happen. Have faith in XDA and the Developers.
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In any case if it is or not just remember this. ITS A SOFTWARE FEATURE.
I mean come on guys, we are XDA. If its not perfect I am sure one or some of us here will be able to modify the feature to allow whatever we want. The feature is baked into 5.0 android now and is Open, all we have to do is work on a expanded settings system to customize it if it already does not have one. Hell if Xposed gets properly ported to ART we can surely see a module for it!
Stop acting like its the end of the world if it does/doesn't have the exact feature of software design as the Moto X. Its a software feature and if demand needs it I am sure we will find a way to make it happen. Have faith in XDA and the Developers.
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Its definitely not the end of the world. I'm not being dramatic and condemning the phone if it doesn't have it. Just looking for an answer to what I hope Google realizes is a basic need. I've been rooting and roming since the OG Droid days here so I know what XDA can do, I just don't believe this is a feature that I should need to rely on the Devs here to create.
First of all, it's something you can turn off. So if it doesn't work the way you want it to you don't have to use it.
Google is also pushing Android Wear which makes anything like Moto Display (ie Active Display) pointless cause you can see it on your wrist faster anyway.
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First of all, it's something you can turn off. So if it doesn't work the way you want it to you don't have to use it.
Google is also pushing Android Wear which makes anything like Moto Display (ie Active Display) pointless cause you can see it on your wrist faster anyway.
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Not everybody can afford a $250 "wear" on top of their phone purchase though.
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Not everybody can afford a $250 "wear" on top of their phone purchase though.
G3
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Or want to. I really have no desire to spend $250 on a watch that I have to replace every couple years because it becomes obsolete or the battery is well beyond is usefully life.
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Or want to. I really have no desire to spend $250 on a watch that I have to replace every couple years because it becomes obsolete or the battery is well beyond is usefully life.
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The battery on the G watch is really great actually.
And if you don't want Android wear, don't buy it. But that's where Google is going so some features that used to be present on phones that aren't as necessary now will potentially be removed.
Ambient display on N6 works similar to Moto X. It will pulse when the notification arrives. After that it will pulse every few minutes, in an adaptive time period - the longer you don't pick it up, the period between pulses will increase.
And of course custom rom's will be able to tweak this, I hope.
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Ambient display on N6 works similar to Moto X. It will pulse when the notification arrives. After that it will pulse every few minutes, in an adaptive time period - the longer you don't pick it up, the period between pulses will increase.
And of course custom rom's will be able to tweak this, I hope.
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This sounds perfect. Do you have a source for this or speculation?
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This sounds perfect. Do you have a source for this or speculation?
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Its from the AndroidPolice hands on which is one of the most detailed ones.
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Its from the AndroidPolice hands on which is one of the most detailed ones.
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Are you referring to this article: http://www.androidpolice.com/2014/1...-googles-nexus-6-really-big-really-beautiful/
I don't see anything about Active Display there...
Does anyone know if it has the IR sensors on the screen to wake the display up with a hand gesture just like it happens on the Moto X?
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Are you referring to this article: http://www.androidpolice.com/2014/1...-googles-nexus-6-really-big-really-beautiful/
I don't see anything about Active Display there...
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Yes. It's in the comments, the author replied to a question about Active Display.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5TyhaOjME5g
Droid Life showing a video of the notifications. I can see why the battery savings aren't as big as they would be on Active Display
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5TyhaOjME5g
Droid Life showing a video of the notifications. I can see why the battery savings aren't as big as they would be on Active Display
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Seems very unreliable, he had to try multiple times. Also why is pick up to activate so unreliable?
I really wish they'd copied the Moto version and added the sensors.
this seems like it will just nuke the battery in comparison to an LED.... I may end up just leaving this off.
won't this turn on constantly in a pocket as well?
To those that updated to 5.1 via OTA, what's the disk speed with encryption turned on? Is it much improved over 5.0? Does it take advantage of Qualcomm's hardware?
I came here to learn the same. I have the modified boot to disable encryption, but if the new HW-based encryption is much faster, I'll happily switch back
Yes very interested in this. I am holding off on the ota since I want to keep it unencrypted and I can find out how to move to 5.1 with staying decrypted
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What app do I need? I'll check it.
Anandtech used Androbench: http://www.anandtech.com/show/8725/encryption-and-storage-performance-in-android-50-lollipop
Play Store: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.andromeda.androbench2&hl=en
Here ya go.
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Darn. Still a huge hit on sequential read (mine's at 223). The rest isn't as bad a hit, though.
For comparison, here's what I just got when I ran it on 5.0.1 unencrypted.
Just ran again. Better!
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Just ran again. Better!
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Oh, much, yes! Thanks! Okay, that's encouraging...
How fast was 5.01 stock encrypted for reference?
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How fast was 5.01 stock encrypted for reference?
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http://www.androidpolice.com/2014/1...us-6-encrypted-vs-unencrypted-its-not-pretty/
For comparison - I'm also running 5.1 stock encrypted
It looks like there was a performance improvement.
Won't HW encryption still be slower than NO encryption?
Do we know for sure that HW encryption is enabled in 5.1?
Looking at some of the commit messages, I first thought that it *might* be but the more I looked at the code, the more it looked like they did a lot of prep work but actually kept it disabled (i.e. we're still software-only).
I could be wrong, though...
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Do we know for sure that HW encryption is enabled in 5.1?
Looking at some of the commit messages, I first thought that it *might* be but the more I looked at the code, the more it looked like they did a lot of prep work but actually kept it disabled (i.e. we're still software-only).
I could be wrong, though...
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Really hard to judge. But either way, it's clearly improved. Less fast than NO encryption, much faster than before. Sounds like that's PROBABLY due to hardware.
Either way, I do have to say that so far my phone's performing better. Not merely subjectively. A game I play (Spider-Man Unlimited) was impossibly laggy before. It was known for having lag issues, but on my Nexus 5 and 6, post-Lollipop, it was nearly unplayable. In the short time I've been running 5.1, it's been a dramatic improvement. So even if encryption does cause a small hit, other improvements have more than made up for it.
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Do we know for sure that HW encryption is enabled in 5.1?
Looking at some of the commit messages, I first thought that it *might* be but the more I looked at the code, the more it looked like they did a lot of prep work but actually kept it disabled (i.e. we're still software-only).
I could be wrong, though...
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For those that do know how (I don't), can we find out if hardware is being utilized? Perhaps through source code or logs?
Also, is encryption still forced? That is, is there any option in settings to disable encryption if encrypted, without using a modified kernel?
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Really hard to judge. But either way, it's clearly improved. Less fast than NO encryption, much faster than before. Sounds like that's PROBABLY due to hardware.
Either way, I do have to say that so far my phone's performing better. Not merely subjectively. A game I play (Spider-Man Unlimited) was impossibly laggy before. It was known for having lag issues, but on my Nexus 5 and 6, post-Lollipop, it was nearly unplayable. In the short time I've been running 5.1, it's been a dramatic improvement. So even if encryption does cause a small hit, other improvements have more than made up for it.
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What what spider man unlimited is now playable? Biggest news ever!! I'm not joking either. I've had to constantly play on my moto x instead. [emoji106] [emoji106] [emoji106]
If they moved it to hardware encryption, I may re-enable it, but would rather wait to find out...figure it is saving me some battery by having encryption disabled still.
They do mention it being enabled or added here:
http://www.androidauthority.com/android-5-1-changelog-593573/
Is there anyway to confirm that it was indeed flipped on in the code?
I've been away from android for about 2 years but the note 7 had me wanting to make a move back currently rocking the iPhone 6s+ jailbroken. And everything that I have seen about the iPhone 7 has not impressed me at all and with it looking to NOT have a headphone jack .. thats a no go for me .
Im asking if anyone has a clue if the phone will be rootable in order to be able to remove the bloat and KNOT ( I think that what its called ) security
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I've been away from android for about 2 years but the note 7 had me wanting to make a move back currently rocking the iPhone 6s+ jailbroken. And everything that I have seen about the iPhone 7 has not impressed me at all and with it looking to NOT have a headphone jack .. thats a no go for me .
Im asking if anyone has a clue if the phone will be rootable in order to be able to remove the bloat and KNOT ( I think that what its called ) security
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Well I found this http://www.rootupdate.com/2016/08/root-samsung-galaxy-note-7-without-pc.html?m=1 and it says Chainfire has a root file for it. It doesn't specify the carrier or anything but there's hope I guess
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Well I found this http://www.rootupdate.com/2016/08/root-samsung-galaxy-note-7-without-pc.html?m=1 and it says Chainfire has a root file for it. It doesn't specify the carrier or anything but there's hope I guess
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yep i hope its that easy lol
i'm going to guess the bootloader is locked like the s7 edge. hopefully it's not too long before we have a exploit to root.
CheesyNutz said:
I've been away from android for about 2 years but the note 7 had me wanting to make a move back currently rocking the iPhone 6s+ jailbroken. And everything that I have seen about the iPhone 7 has not impressed me at all and with it looking to NOT have a headphone jack .. thats a no go for me .
Im asking if anyone has a clue if the phone will be rootable in order to be able to remove the bloat and KNOT ( I think that what its called ) security
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It's called KNOX, also you don't need root to remove bloat on android 5+. Some will argue for space purposes but the system parition is just that, chances are if you simply cannot uninstall and you have to disable, then the application resides in the system parition. Deleting app in the system partion creates no more useable user space.
As far as Knox, what makes you want to remove it?
I'm waiting to see before buying
With the evolution technology and the reliance on mobile devices, Having KNOX is not as bad as it seems, the piece of mind knowing I have access to defense grade mobile security is great for a business and general security aspect. which goes far past fingerprints and basic passwords. Just my opinion....
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With the evolution technology and the reliance on mobile devices, Having KNOX is not as bad as it seems, the piece of mind knowing I have access to defense grade mobile security is great for a business and general security aspect. which goes far past fingerprints and basic passwords. Just my opinion....
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The golden question is, is there a back door to the iron gates of KNOX? On the front end it can be encrypted to the moon and back, but if there is a back door, it's pointless. Also with finger print scanners and the iris scanner. What a convenient way to capture personal data. Let the people do the work for them...brilliant.
I'm curious to hear what Dev's that know the in's and out's of the software have to say about this...The only way we'd be able to know for sure is if it was fully open source to be able to see any hidden doors and where they exist.
Just saying...
Oh and I do hope someone finds an exploit to be able to stably root.
I keep coming back to these threads day after day, fingers crossed. I can't stomack paying $900 for a device that I don't have full control over. Might as well by an iPhone with the better OS with the way Samsung is moving.
Just does not make any sense to increase the price for less functionality
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I keep coming back to these threads day after day, fingers crossed. I can't stomack paying $900 for a device that I don't have full control over. Might as well by an iPhone with the better OS with the way Samsung is moving.
Just does not make any sense to increase the price for less functionality
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So what do you consider "less functionality" just curious ......
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So what do you consider "less functionality" just curious ......
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xposed installer that's one
Kind of crazy to decide to buy or not buy a phone because of an ap that doesn't even come installed on the phone. IN any event, if ROOT is found for the Note 7 - then you can install Xposed)
Chances are very high that the US Varients of the Note 7 are all going to be locked. I will be shocked if TMOBILE does not lock down the Note 7 like they did on the S7 (well if you listen to TMOBILE they say Samsung locked it - not tmobile) whatever, my bet is it is going to be locked.
In any event, the Note 7 is going to be a beast of a phone - just like the S7 Edge -BUT, not much different than the 7 Edge - a little larger - slightly better camera - S Pen of course - but otherwise, not a whole lot different - that is probably the main reason why I am struggling with whether to buy or not - I played with one at Best Buy the other day and I like the feel of Note 7 a lot - the curved screen is slightly different than the S7 Edge - but it still looks amazing - not sure what I am going to do.....we'll see....I love new toys - for that reason alone, I will probably end up getting it - but still havent made a final decision....I will NOT buy a pre-order like I have done with every other phone since the note 2 - I got burned when the S7 Edge turned out to be locked and I am not going to risk that again ...we'll find out soon enough...
Yea it sure is a toss up at this point and Samsung if you are listening, you are not doing yourself a favor for locking boot loaders. You don't have to worry about anything, because you'll still make the sales off of the majority who don't care about unlocked BL's, but one thing that you do have to understated is that although the phone enthusiasts may make up a small percentage, we are the ones who are responsible for making up the foundation of the phone customizing culture. You are on the edge and about to lower yourself into the apple territory. Don't do that.
S7 and S7 edge both not rootable?
vibrantliker said:
S7 and S7 edge both not rootable?
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They are rooted at the moment...
Sent from my Nexus 6P using XDA-Developers mobile app
Would a root for the Note 7 cause the iris / finger scanner & Pay apps to stop working or is that just for samsung pay? I ordered my Note 7 yesterday knowing that I probably won't see root for a while, but I don't know if it's worth it if root breaks some of the other functions. At least for me...
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xposed installer that's one
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Xposed is hardly a reason to make the low fruit argument of it might as well be an apple if you can't root it. The fact that I can upload whatever files I want, I can OTG connect keyboards, mice, thumbdrives, expandable memory was brought back, replacement launchers, I can install apps outside of the market, disabled built in software, change what app handles your messages.
Inherently there is so much more flexibility in android. You could drop android back two version numbers and functionality still holds its own against iOS today
All that happens before root.
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coretech said:
Would a root for the Note 7 cause the iris / finger scanner & Pay apps to stop working or is that just for samsung pay? I ordered my Note 7 yesterday knowing that I probably won't see root for a while, but I don't know if it's worth it if root breaks some of the other functions. At least for me...
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If its like the Note 5 when it comes to root (if you can) then it will only kill Samsung Pay. Of course there were other devices (S5/6?) that lost finger print scanning because of the root method. We kind of just have to wait and see.
bajasur said:
They are rooted at the moment...
Sent from my Nexus 6P using XDA-Developers mobile app
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I don't see any roms for them on XDA (T-Mob)
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So what do you consider "less functionality" just curious ......
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I know you weren't talking to me but in my own personal opinion "less functionality" (A.k.a. without root)
means
I cannot control the CPU frequency or GPU, or the governor.
I cannot change the boot animation
I cannot use xposed
I cannot do whatever I want
I cannot tweak what I want for better performance or battery life
I cannot have custom ROMs
I cannot be able to show off my device like "I got root!"
I cannot disable some of the bloat ware that the system does not let me disable by default
I cannot calm my "they are spying on me" by uninstalling sketchy as hell apps or useless that just drain my battery
I cannot not just be bored and test out a **** load of ROMs or Root applications
I cannot have my snapchat mods/hacks
I cannot (Before I actually got YouTube Red) use xposed to make YouTube play in the background
I cannot decompile system applications and re-write some of it or re-theme it and then put it on my phone
I cannot be nerdy and make my my device seem like a samsung s5 or whatever other device I want by changing things such as the model ID and such
I cannot change my IMEI when I don't want to call MetroPCS but I need to test a different SIM card
I cannot have Automatic call recording (Or call recording at all, on stock without root)
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And so much more but then I realized this post is going to get too long and time consuming
TL;DR:
Root is a requirement in my eyes.
vibrantliker said:
I don't see any roms for them on XDA (T-Mob)
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Andrew S.S. said:
I know you weren't talking to me but in my own personal opinion "less functionality" (A.k.a. without root)
means
I cannot control the CPU frequency or GPU, or the governor.
I cannot change the boot animation
I cannot use xposed
I cannot do whatever I want
I cannot tweak what I want for better performance or battery life
I cannot have custom ROMs
I cannot be able to show off my device like "I got root!"
I cannot disable some of the bloat ware that the system does not let me disable by default
I cannot calm my "they are spying on me" by uninstalling sketchy as hell apps or useless that just drain my battery
I cannot not just be bored and test out a **** load of ROMs or Root applications
I cannot have my snapchat mods/hacks
I cannot (Before I actually got YouTube Red) use xposed to make YouTube play in the background
I cannot decompile system applications and re-write some of it or re-theme it and then put it on my phone
I cannot be nerdy and make my my device seem like a samsung s5 or whatever other device I want by changing things such as the model ID and such
I cannot change my IMEI when I don't want to call MetroPCS but I need to test a different SIM card
I cannot have Automatic call recording (Or call recording at all, on stock without root)
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And so much more but then I realized this post is going to get too long and time consuming
TL;DR: I need root! I cannot live without it and unless you taste and eat the delicious glory(root) as much as I do, you wouldn't understand.
Root is a requirement in my eyes.
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Listing all the things you can do with root is great but my gripe is the claim of "It might as well be an iPhone" when you can't root it. Thats a very low energy argument.
So I was perusing ye olde rom page and saw the latest cm. I used to love CM. But I don't want to lose my pen features. I know some alternatives exist, and I'm ok with using them I think, but I want the full feature set too.
I found a launcher alternative similar to notebuddy http://www.emandt.net/Android/SPenCommand/Website/
not sure if I will get it but it looks fully featured like the regular TW one is.
Which brings me to my question, is there an app out there that will let me screenshot the screen and pull text from whatever I select like the TW feature set allows? That seems to be the only thing I can't find. Screen writing, note taking, the rest seems all easily findable, That however is lacking and I use quite often.
Anybody have any information?
So I'm guessing with the no replies that spen on AOSP is dead in the water? Or is the note 4 forums just deserted? Very strange nobody has answered this.
Notebuddy
2 years is a long time in the mobile world and most note 4 users have already moved on.
When I was on CM, I would use Notebuddy and it's s-pen addon.
StromKnight said:
2 years is a long time in the mobile world and most note 4 users have already moved on.
When I was on CM, I would use Notebuddy and it's s-pen addon.
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Yes and no. Normally I would agree 4 years is a long time. But look at what has come out in that time. Samsung has dropped and picked back up many features that people still want that the note 4 still features. Hardware wise it isn't even far behind, if proper roms are built for it.
Idk, maybe it's just me. I just hate to see this phone die when the n5 is garbage lacking sd card and IR, with removable battery. Everything more or less seems like a downgrade or minor upgrade. N4 is an amazing device and I see no reason it should drop support just yet.
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Yes and no. Normally I would agree 4 years is a long time. But look at what has come out in that time. Samsung has dropped and picked back up many features that people still want that the note 4 still features. Hardware wise it isn't even far behind, if proper roms are built for it.
Idk, maybe it's just me. I just hate to see this phone die when the n5 is garbage lacking sd card and IR, with removable battery. Everything more or less seems like a downgrade or minor upgrade. N4 is an amazing device and I see no reason it should drop support just yet.
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I used emandt's setup and it was alright. There are some playstore spen apps that add feature, not sure if the select crop is one of them though. Most spen addons from playstore require payment for the useful options to work.
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So I was perusing ye olde rom page and saw the latest cm. I used to love CM. But I don't want to lose my pen features. I know some alternatives exist, and I'm ok with using them I think, but I want the full feature set too.
I found a launcher alternative similar to notebuddy http://www.emandt.net/Android/SPenCommand/Website/
not sure if I will get it but it looks fully featured like the regular TW one is.
Which brings me to my question, is there an app out there that will let me screenshot the screen and pull text from whatever I select like the TW feature set allows? That seems to be the only thing I can't find. Screen writing, note taking, the rest seems all easily findable, That however is lacking and I use quite often.
Anybody have any information?
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I've used spen command on AICP and CM , it's alright kinda laggy IMO and wasn't really worth the hastle, tried to reinstall it recently and it says my account was authorized on too many phones or some BS, I've only used it on the note 4 so not sure what the issue is.
Pjs187 said:
I've used spen command on AICP and CM , it's alright kinda laggy IMO and wasn't really worth the hastle, tried to reinstall it recently and it says my account was authorized on too many phones or some BS, I've only used it on the note 4 so not sure what the issue is.
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Possibly changing roms or something picking up different phones. Email the dev to fix the issue
Hi together,
I am wondering which benefits I can expect from rooting my device.
One thing that comes to my mind is having an option to use face unlock for older unlock APIs.
What do you guys think?
Tirade incoming...
I'm probably in the minority, but I won't buy a phone I cannot root. The idea that the phone that I paid $1000 for up front is under the control of other companies seems wrong to me. I have full control over my computers... my ISP doesn't tell me what I can run on it and can't force me to use their DNS; Microsoft doesn't tell me that I'm breaking a EULA by running admin programs; my bank's website doesn't refuse to load because I'm running a lot of browser extensions that can modify the page. Google says they respect that people want control over their phones but they also say they respect app creator's wanting to run on an unmodified device. I throw those companies to the wind and don't look back. If only Google would stop blocking access to things and requiring us to use root to gain them back. They give and take features almost constantly and it often feels like a losing battle.
Ideology aside, there are so many small things that can be done through rooting. The next best alternative is either awkward or non-existent. I could name them off, but each thing on their own is easily dismissable is about preference. But if I had to use a phone that had none of my modifications/tweaks, I would be fairly unhappy. I don't think you'll understand the difference until you're actually changing your phone significantly as a whole then have to consider going back. A lot of things you won't know you even wanted until you find that they're possible... and a lot of things you'll look at and not even care about, despite them being popular to other people. That's what rooting is to me. Choices and options... in a world where Apple and even Google think that less is more.
I think if you're willing to experiment and put a significant amount of time in doing so, you should dive in and find out what you like. But if you're on the ropes about it, then you might not get into it.
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Tirade incoming...
I'm probably in the minority, but I won't buy a phone I cannot root. The idea that the phone that I paid $1000 for up front is under the control of other companies seems wrong to me. I have full control over my computers... my ISP doesn't tell me what I can run on it and can't force me to use their DNS; Microsoft doesn't tell me that I'm breaking a EULA by running admin programs; my bank's website doesn't refuse to load because I'm running a lot of browser extensions that can modify the page. Google says they respect that people want control over their phones but they also say they respect app creator's wanting to run on an unmodified device. I throw those companies to the wind and don't look back. If only Google would stop blocking access to things and requiring us to use root to gain them back. They give and take features almost constantly and it often feels like a losing battle.
Ideology aside, there are so many small things that can be done through rooting. The next best alternative is either awkward or non-existent. I could name them off, but each thing on their own is easily dismissable is about preference. But if I had to use a phone that had none of my modifications/tweaks, I would be fairly unhappy. I don't think you'll understand the difference until you're actually changing your phone significantly as a whole then have to consider going back. A lot of things you won't know you even wanted until you find that they're possible... and a lot of things you'll look at and not even care about, despite them being popular to other people. That's what rooting is to me. Choices and options... in a world where Apple and even Google think that less is more.
I think if you're willing to experiment and put a significant amount of time in doing so, you should dive in and find out what you like. But if you're on the ropes about it, then you might not get into it.
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To make that clear. I rooted every android phone I owned up to now. There has been always a thing that bothered me about the stock ROM.
But this time I feel like everything is working out of the box. (Except face unlock for ing, which sux)
I get your point and you are totally right. But I'm not sure if I want to change so much and having to update on my own and other things is to much work for me.
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To make that clear. I rooted every android phone I owned up to now. There has been always a thing that bothered me about the stock ROM.
But this time I feel like everything is working out of the box. (Except face unlock for ing, which sux)
I get your point and you are totally right. But I'm not sure if I want to change so much and having to update on my own and other things is to much work for me.
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I hear you. Rooting used to be fun and easy but it's more work than I want to deal with at this point.
Sent from my Pixel 4 XL using XDA Labs
It takes me longer the download the stock image to do updates with than it takes me to re-root the phone after the update. I wonder why it seems like a lot of work to you.
PS. My broadband ISP is slow....
jljtgr said:
It takes me longer the download the stock image to do updates with than it takes me to re-root the phone after the update. I wonder why it seems like a lot of work to you.
PS. My broadband ISP is slow....
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It takes more time, which you actively have to spend. It's not like ow there is an update. Ok install done.
You have to go through all steps. You have to e.g. change settings in build.prop again. Flash kernel or what ever.
One example with rooted and problems with apps I'm always unsure if it's due to root or due to the rom. Stuff like this.
I don't have to do either of those things. My build.prop changes are systemlessly handled by a Magisk module that just works as soon as I'm rooted again. YMMV.
I've spent more time writing in this thread than my monthly process takes. If you don't have that time, then fine. You've answered your own question?
I've rooted all my devices except the pixel ones. There's absolutely no need for me to root a pixel device, everything is working as I want out of the box. That's one reason that development for the pixel 4/xl is nearly non existent.
ROOT! #1 reason Fingerface for fingerprint only APIs, other than that I agree the Pixel phones don't need any modifications. I hope the Pixel 5 will bring back the FP, face unlock sucks with a mask!
dave5777 said:
ROOT! #1 reason Fingerface for fingerprint only APIs, other than that I agree the Pixel phones don't need any modifications. I hope the Pixel 5 will bring back the FP, face unlock sucks with a mask!
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Yes this would be the only reason for me.
first reason finger face
second reason motion sense..
now on android beta 2.5 not rooted
Why choose android if you are going to use a limited system?
If i could live without root i would just go iPhone way
fuarkgl3 said:
Why choose android if you are going to use a limited system?
If i could live without root i would just go iPhone way
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Cause the limited system will do what most people need it to do
dave5777 said:
ROOT! #1 reason Fingerface for fingerprint only APIs, other than that I agree the Pixel phones don't need any modifications. I hope the Pixel 5 will bring back the FP, face unlock sucks with a mask!
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Pull it down for half a sec.
Mackay53 said:
Cause the limited system will do what most people need it to do
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Again. If you are going to use a limited system why choose android over iOS?
I don't understand your reply
fuarkgl3 said:
Again. If you are going to use a limited system why choose android over iOS?
I don't understand your reply
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Because many people like what Android has to offer over iOS, simple. Rooting isn't as useful as what it used to be
Does google pay work currently root? Magisk hide?
Or is that out of the question now...
xtravbx said:
Does google pay work currently root? Magisk hide?
Or is that out of the question now...
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From what I've been reading it's going to be hard to get Google Pay to work with root. I only use root to bring back the 2 button gesture using a Magisk module. I don't know if it's worth it anymore.
xtravbx said:
Does google pay work currently root? Magisk hide?
Or is that out of the question now...
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Google pay works right now for me and I'm rooted running 11 beta 2.5.
fr0st420 said:
From what I've been reading it's going to be hard to get Google Pay to work with root. I only use root to bring back the 2 button gesture using a Magisk module. I don't know if it's worth it anymore.
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I want to root so I can run ProtonVPN (or any VPN really) alongside Adguard. You can't run them side x side without root....
Admittedly a little sick of the whole big brother thing, so wouldn't mind obscuring my traffic a bit.