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Build EPF21B to Froyo

Does anyone know how i can get froyo on my phone with the EPF21B build? Could i change to the ERE27 build WITHOUT rooting my phone? Or flash pauls version through the stock recovery image, without voiding my warranty? Thanks for any help

same problem.
my phone is EPE54B
HELP!!!

Gotta root until Google sort it out I'm afraid.

I have ERE36B with locked bootloader. Can I just update or do I need another update file?

You're on an awkward build... I very much doubt there will be an upgrade path for you.
You will most likely need to flash a mainstream PASSIMG.ZIP (AT&T EPE54B or Vodafone EPF21B) and update from that when Google release one.

Rusty! said:
You're on an awkward build... I very much doubt there will be an upgrade path for you.
You will most likely need to flash a mainstream PASSIMG.ZIP (AT&T EPE54B or Vodafone EPF21B) and update from that when Google release one.
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Edit: Actually, maybe you should listen to him. After clarification it seems that there were un-original roms out in the wild that didn't need an unlocked bootloader. If you updated to that ROM yourself, even without unlocking then you may not see an upgrade at all.
Old post below for continuity's sake.
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Don't listen to him. It seems he is telling you that you will need to unlock to upgrade. If you aren't going to unlock yet, just wait, there will be an OTA update for you too, you just have to wait for Google to send it out.
Google will not force you to unlock your phone.

Is there a way to go back to ere27 so i can update now, without unocking?
Dont mind if i have to do a factory reset or something like that

Requiem87 said:
Is there a way to go back to ere27 so i can update now, without unocking?
Dont mind if i have to do a factory reset or something like that
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EPF21B is the official euro shipping ROM.
You can't change it back to ERE27 without unlocking the phone, period.
If you don't want to unlock, you'll have to wait until Google issues the OTA for the official euro phones.

Clarkster said:
Don't listen to him. It seems he is telling you that you will need to unlock to upgrade. If you aren't going to unlock yet, just wait, there will be an OTA update for you too, you just have to wait for Google to send it out.
Google will not force you to unlock your phone.
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Thanks for that completely incorrect post.
I am not telling you to unlock, both can be flashed in the same way you flashed ERE36B as they are official released images.
As ERE36B is a release that shouldn't be out in the field, I doubt an update will be made for it.

So, since I am not on Vodafone or AT&T, what should I update to? AT&T EPE54B or Vodafone EPF21B?
There has to be a way to restore the phone to factory state and factory ROM?

Rusty! said:
Thanks for that completely incorrect post.
I am not telling you to unlock, both can be flashed in the same way you flashed ERE36B as they are official released images.
As ERE36B is a release that shouldn't be out in the field, I doubt an update will be made for it.
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Sorry about that, it seemed to me that you were telling him he would never get an update without unlocking. But he did mention that he was still locked and had that release. I don't know how he got that one, but if he is truly locked wouldn't it make sense that Google knows of the phones out there with that version?
I still don't think it would make sense for Google to not give those phones an update, and to force them to unlock to upgrade.
Am I missing something important here that's really messing up my understanding?

Requiem87 said:
So, since I am not on Vodafone or AT&T, what should I update to? AT&T EPE54B or Vodafone EPF21B?
There has to be a way to restore the phone to factory state and factory ROM?
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Except that the factory ROM is different from one to another.
Tmobile factory ROM : ERD79 (which can then be updated to ERE27).
ATT factory ROM : not sure but the one before EPE54B
Europe factory ROM : EPF21B.

Clarkster said:
Am I missing something important here that's really messing up my understanding?
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I think so.
There are certain ROMs that were leaked, these can be installed without unlocking the bootloader as they are release signed. No phone sent out by Google came with ERE36B, you had to install it yourself. There is also no way back to stock ERE27 without unlocking the bootloader.
My reckoning is that as this particluar ROM isn't meant to be in use by the public an upgrade path is unlikely, hence the advice to flash to a 'legitimate' release image (no unlock necessary) which will definitely be upgradable.

Rusty! said:
I think so.
There are certain ROMs that were leaked, these can be installed without unlocking the bootloader as they are release signed. No phone sent out by Google came with ERE36B, you had to install it yourself. There is also no way back to stock ERE27 without unlocking the bootloader.
My reckoning is that as this particluar ROM isn't meant to be in use by the public an upgrade path is unlikely, hence the advice to flash to a 'legitimate' release image (no unlock necessary) which will definitely be upgradable.
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Thanks for explaining. I'll go edit my original post.

Thanks Rusty. What rom should i update to then? Is there another rom i can downgrade from, or is it generally impossible to go to an older rom with locked bootloader?

Can't go older unfortunately, else it would be a no-brainer.
As for which one, I doubt it matters, but I would expect EPE54B to be the next updated.

cant you just flash pauls prerooted version?

bobdude5 said:
cant you just flash pauls prerooted version?
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Doesn't work, cancels installation when it doesn't find the right signature.

yeh, tried that, Wont work with locked bootloader. Tried all ERE27 images, renamed to either passimg.zip or update.zip, and same for all frf50.. Only one thing left to do i guess, and that is wait.

Having the Same Problem,
Hi, I have a Nexus One from Vodafone, and have unlocked it, however, I still can't get it to update to Froyo FRF50 so I can then further upgrade it, I am currently on build EPF21B which I think Vodafone have mucked around with, because I have just updated a Friends Nexus Manually with the same file not problems, mine keeps coming up with, first:
Froyo+E:Can't open /cache/recovery/command
Then fails on this:
E:failed to verify whole-file signature
Can any of you kind people out there confirm that there is something slightly odd about the stock Vodafone ROM,
Thanks for your time in this matter, I assure you that it is deeply appreciated
Kind Regards - Ashe

[Q] Flashing KitKat on a Moto X with 139.12.35.ghost_row.AmericaMovil.en.PR

Hello!
I'm currently stationed in Singapore and bought a Moto X about a month or so ago from eBay. While I am anxiously waiting for my Moto X to receive the 4.4 update, I realised that the system version (after the previous camera update) is 139.12.35.ghost_row.AmericaMovil.en.PR, which I found to be a Latin America version after some searching on the forums and Googling here and there.
I also found this thread, where OP said that they can be flashed over to either the T-Mobile version. Does this continue to work for the 4.4 updates by T-Mobile or AT&T, and would there be anything else required for flashing? (I saw something about flashing new radios and all, but was quite confused by contradicting explanations and suggestions :/)
Thanks in advance!
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To add on after a bit of searching, I realised that I am allowed to unlock my bootloader, despite claims from the original retailer on eBay that the phone came from AT&T (which is notorious, even here, for their stance on bootloader unlocking). What gives?

I got the same Moto X from a buddy yesterday. I did a lot of searching and also discovered the thread about the phone being flashed to t- mobile.
I fooled the steps on another thread titled " Return to stock 100%" out something like that...
I downloaded the correct Att firmware and with the use of RSDLite, I successfully flashed my Moto X to ATT.... it took less than 10 minutes. And as soon as it booted up, I got hit with the "update available" message ( kit Kat)
Sent from my XT1058 using Tapatalk

Thanks for the information!
I've successfully upgraded my phone to the Verizon version (minus all the bloatware that I hastily blasted off), with root and TWRP. So this is what I did, for future reference:
It seems that AmericaMovil versions are not bound by the AT&T's locked bootloader policies, and other Latin America versions are probably free from the restriction too. So I managed to get my hands on the Motorola Fastboot and unlocked my bootloader. TWRP was installed (remember to use 2.6.3.1 and above for 4.4 support), and then flashed the Verizon system dump available here. Root was installed by TWRP.
After getting on the device and setting things up, I rebooted to recovery to remove lots of bloatware (available in /system/app and /system/priv-app). Had to remove some of them through Titanium Backup as the file names were not always indicative that it came from Verizon. I made the extra step of killing the god-awful boot animation that they had by replacing it with this.
And... that concludes my experience with this, I suppose.

I've been looking through a few threads and I am not comfortable enough to flash the T-Mobile rom over my AmericanMovil one yet.
I can't seem to find step by step instructions on how to do this.. Would anyone like to explain it from the ground up?
My understanding
1) unlock bootloader
2) flash a recovery like twrp or cmw
3) flash the rom that is given in the OG post here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2477180
4) this should now give us the t-mobile version of things and we should be able to do the standard OTA from there?
[Q] So can this all be done without ever having to root the phone?

alternetconcept said:
I've been looking through a few threads and I am not comfortable enough to flash the T-Mobile rom over my AmericanMovil one yet.
I can't seem to find step by step instructions on how to do this.. Would anyone like to explain it from the ground up?
My understanding
1) unlock bootloader
2) flash a recovery like twrp or cmw
3) flash the rom that is given in the OG post here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2477180
4) this should now give us the t-mobile version of things and we should be able to do the standard OTA from there?
[Q] So can this all be done without ever having to root the phone?
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I'm not too sure whether flashing via TWRP/CMW will allow you to get OTA, unfortunately. Which is why I went straight for the Verizon system dump. But yes, you can change firmware without ever having to root the phone. Heck, I think there's a guide on restoring mentioned by @plmiller0905 below that will allow you to do it without unlocking the bootloader, even.

RagnaParadise said:
I'm not too sure whether flashing via TWRP/CMW will allow you to get OTA, unfortunately. Which is why I went straight for the Verizon system dump. But yes, you can change firmware without ever having to root the phone. Heck, I think there's a guide on restoring mentioned by @plmiller0905 below that will allow you to do it without unlocking the bootloader, even.
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I believe the bootloader does have to be unlocked in order to flash a different firmware.
Sent from my XT1058 using Tapatalk

RagnaParadise said:
I'm not too sure whether flashing via TWRP/CMW will allow you to get OTA, unfortunately. Which is why I went straight for the Verizon system dump. But yes, you can change firmware without ever having to root the phone. Heck, I think there's a guide on restoring mentioned by @plmiller0905 below that will allow you to do it without unlocking the bootloader, even.
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Yeah after doing so more reading.. (at least the way I'm willing to do it) is to just unlock my bootloader and then using RSD Lite (Which i still have no idea what that is / where it is) flash an SBF found here (http://sbf.droid-developers.org/ghost_rcica/list.php)
I guess following this video somewhat http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fr0JHSAXJDI#t=15
Does that sound right?
Should I flash the TMO_RETAIL_XT1053_4.2.2-13.9.0Q2.X-116-X-17-57_MR1_CFC.xml.zip
Or just jump straight to the 4.4 version TMO_RETAIL_XT1053_4.4-13.11.1Q2.X-69-3_MR2_CFC.xml.zip
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As far as I know, the use of RSD Lite doesn't require an unlocked bootloader (at least, that's what it shows in the video you showed me anyway), especially since these are images supposedly signed by Motorola themselves. Let me know if you've found something else?
As for your question on which to flash... I'm not sure, but you'd skip a lot of the hassle if you could flash 4.4 straight, so how about trying that?

RagnaParadise said:
As far as I know, the use of RSD Lite doesn't require an unlocked bootloader (at least, that's what it shows in the video you showed me anyway), especially since these are images supposedly signed by Motorola themselves. Let me know if you've found something else?
As for your question on which to flash... I'm not sure, but you'd skip a lot of the hassle if you could flash 4.4 straight, so how about trying that?
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Rsdlite is a shell for a flash boot flash supposedly with an XML doing all the steps together. Just makes it easier.
You need unlocked boot loader only to flash an image that doesn't match your current boot loader. So if you have a. At&t phone you can only flash at&t images by rsdlite. But if you unlock your amerimovil phone you can flash any xt1058 image I think. So amerimovil could take say a rogers or at&t or telcel image. Not sure if T-Mobile image will work on a full rsdlite flash as it is an xt1053 image. I think you can flash most of a T-Mobile image by twrp but not by rsdlite not sure

sleepyguy007 said:
Rsdlite is a shell for a flash boot flash supposedly with an XML doing all the steps together. Just makes it easier.
You need unlocked boot loader only to flash an image that doesn't match your current boot loader. So if you have a. At&t phone you can only flash at&t images by rsdlite. But if you unlock your amerimovil phone you can flash any xt1058 image I think. So amerimovil could take say a rogers or at&t or telcel image. Not sure if T-Mobile image will work on a full rsdlite flash as it is an xt1053 image. I think you can flash most of a T-Mobile image by twrp but not by rsdlite not sure
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So if I flash the at&t image found here (http://sbf.droid-developers.org/ghost_rcica/list.php), would it come pre-loaded with all the bloatware AT&T has even though I'm not using AT&T network?

alternetconcept said:
So if I flash the at&t image found here (http://sbf.droid-developers.org/ghost_rcica/list.php), would it come pre-loaded with all the bloatware AT&T has even though I'm not using AT&T network?
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yes of course. think about it like if you took a dell windows 7 install CD , and put it on an HP. all the dell customizations would still be there.
obviously since you have unlocked bootloader, once you do the RSDlite you can always flash twrp, and superuser, and delete all that stuff. but then you wouldn't get updates again. i dont think the at&t image is really THAT bad. though i've heard the rogers one is better (though maybe not 4.4 yet)

sleepyguy007 said:
yes of course. think about it like if you took a dell windows 7 install CD , and put it on an HP. all the dell customizations would still be there.
obviously since you have unlocked bootloader, once you do the RSDlite you can always flash twrp, and superuser, and delete all that stuff. but then you wouldn't get updates again. i dont think the at&t image is really THAT bad. though i've heard the rogers one is better (though maybe not 4.4 yet)
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Yeah unfortunately that's what I thought. Hence why I would of liked to flash the t-mobile image but I'm going to hold off until someone that is a bit more adb savvy then myself tries it out. I wouldn't know what to do if I ended up soft bricking my phone

Well it didn't take long to try it out myself...
It worked out!
I used this thread here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2446515
I downloaded the Tmobile 4.4 Image and used RSD.
All you have to do is unlock your BL. (Note: I was completely bone stock with NO root and NO special recovery like CMW or TWRP)
Have all the proper drivers installed, enable USB debugging in developer settings on the phone
Go into Fastboot on the phone
Plug in the phone and just follow the video
I do not take any responsibitliy if you brick your phone. It is fairly easy process and took only a few mins.
Hope this helps!

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alternetconcept said:
I've been looking through a few threads and I am not comfortable enough to flash the T-Mobile rom over my AmericanMovil one yet.
I can't seem to find step by step instructions on how to do this.. Would anyone like to explain it from the ground up?
My understanding
1) unlock bootloader
2) flash a recovery like twrp or cmw
3) flash the rom that is given in the OG post here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2477180
4) this should now give us the t-mobile version of things and we should be able to do the standard OTA from there?
[Q] So can this all be done without ever having to root the phone?
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I've been doing some research on this since yesterday and I've been hesitant on doing it. I saw in your last post that you successfully flashed the TMO 4.4 ROM on your AmericaMovil phone, so I have a few questions for you before I go ahead and do the same:
1. Can you please confirm that your model is XT1058 and not XT1053?
2. Does the TMO ROM have the TMO boot logo and any TMO bloatware?
3. Does the TMO ROM have the Tethering & portable hotspot option under Settings > More?
4. Does the TMO ROM have the Mass Storage option under Settings > Storage > | > USB computer connection?
5. Have you been having any radio problems since you flashed the TMO ROM?
I wonder if I install the ROM in here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2477180 using RSDLite, would I get the OTA update to 4.4? The reason I want to install this ROM is because it only flashes system and boot.img without flashing bootloader, modem, logo etc... and I know the XT1058 radio is different from the XT1053 radio, so I've been reluctant to flash a full XT1053 ROM on my XT1058 phone.
But what I also would like to know is if an OTA update would flash a full ROM or not. In other words, if I flash the ROM above and then OTA update to 4.4 and the OTA update flashes the full ROM including the radio, I might as well flash the full 4.4 immediately.
What do you or anyone else think?

I'll answer to the best of my ability. heh
mschumacher69 said:
1. Can you please confirm that your model is XT1058 and not XT1053?
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Mine was an XT1058, and has been flashed to XT1060. (I didn't notice that T-Mo had a 4.4 ROM on the list, so I went straight for the flashable ZIP for Verizon instead. silly me.)
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2. Does the TMO ROM have the TMO boot logo and any TMO bloatware?
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At least according to this article, the TMO version shouldn't have any bloatware.
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4. Does the TMO ROM have the Mass Storage option under Settings > Storage > | > USB computer connection?
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There's no reason why there shouldn't be; I'm seeing it on my Verizon version.
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5. Have you been having any radio problems since you flashed the TMO ROM?
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I can't say for sure if you'll face any problems, but I flashed the T-Mo radio provided here with my Verizon ROM, and I had no problems connecting to my network in Singapore.
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I can't answer the rest unfortunately. Sorry. Hope I've helped.

RagnaParadise said:
I can't answer the rest unfortunately. Sorry. Hope I've helped.
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Thank you for your answers!
Regarding Mass Storage, the reason I'm asking is because I don't have it on my AmericaMovil ROM.

The ROM is basically exactly what you get when you buy the T-Mobile version.
I figured the radios are nearly identical from the AT&T version and the T-Mobile version so my XT1058 is running on the XT1053 radios. There is no bloatware. tethering is there but I'm not sure if t-mobile will allow it. There is NO tmobile logo that comes up on boot. USB connect to computer is there.
As for the radio section again.. I was getting only EDGE in my house before I switched to this ROM (Meaning when I was on the ORIGINAL XT1058 image) and I am still getting only EDGE in my house.. Unfortunately I haven't left my house since yesterday flashing the image but when I'll be back at work in NYC and should see '4G/LTE' over there.
We'll see.

alternetconcept said:
The ROM is basically exactly what you get when you buy the T-Mobile version.
I figured the radios are nearly identical from the AT&T version and the T-Mobile version so my XT1058 is running on the XT1053 radios. There is no bloatware. tethering is there but I'm not sure if t-mobile will allow it. There is NO tmobile logo that comes up on boot. USB connect to computer is there.
As for the radio section again.. I was getting only EDGE in my house before I switched to this ROM (Meaning when I was on the ORIGINAL XT1058 image) and I am still getting only EDGE in my house.. Unfortunately I haven't left my house since yesterday flashing the image but when I'll be back at work in NYC and should see '4G/LTE' over there.
We'll see.
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Thanks for ur reply! Which network are you on right now?

mschumacher69 said:
Thanks for ur reply! Which network are you on right now?
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I've always been on T-mobile network. Both when i was on original XT1058 AmericanMovil system version and still on T-mobile when I switched the image to XT1053.
Back on my Nexus 4 though.. I would have HSPA+ in my house.. So I thought it was a bit odd that as soon as I received this phone that I wasn't getting anything other than EDGE..

[Q] Can you just patch a stock ROM to be rooted if you have S-OFF? Or use OTA updates

I honestly can't believe I am asking such a rudimentary question with how long I've been here, but it's always been "htcdev root then s-off exploit" before.
Now though, I have the option of just simply installing Weaksauce to get a temproot... then running that Firewater adb script with that temproot to get S-OFF, essentially getting S-OFF without needing a (permanent) root first.
To be honest, the only reason I even want root right now is to install that app/patcher that removes the SD card restrictions KitKat added. Again, before since I had to use htcdev first I would root, then install a rooted rom, then get S-OFF, so I already had a permrooted rom before I gained S-OFF. If I already have S-OFF(that means I have full access to the entire flashrom right?), would I still not have root access because the rom itself doesn't give me that access? And if so, can I just modify a permissions file or something similar, or would I need to flash a rooted version of the stock rom? I know those exist, but since I just got this phone I don't want to heavily modify it's software just yet. I know it will still have bloatware, and as much as I hate it, almost all of it is uninstallable on the stock Sprint M8 rom (wish I coudl get rid of Sprint Zone and Sprint ID though).
Well, that, and the other reason is because this phone basically came out less than a month ago, and already had a firmware update from Sprint, it is sure to get more updates down the road. Would rooting and getting S-OFF prevent me from installing official updates? (I don't want to have to wait for a modified version to become available, and if I was going to go down that route, I might as well just use a custom rom). Or could an official update lock me back to S-ON and require me to run the exploit again (providing they didn't also patch said exploit in the update)?
Oh, and oen final thing, because I constantly hear that changing the battery (admittedly, not an issue with the M8) or doing this or that breaks Google Wallet for security purposes, would doing any of this stop Google Wallet and it's NFC features from working?

Weaksauce doesn't work on the Sprint M8.
And of course you can still take OTA updates while S-OFF (as long as your system is completely stock and you have the stock recovery).

Captain_Throwback said:
Weaksauce doesn't work on the Sprint M8.
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Oh, I was under the impression that it could
So then my only option is the htcdev unlock? I really want to avoid basically telling HTC "Don't let this IMEI have any warranty service" if I can. I still won't have any issues getting S-OFF if I use the htcdev method though, right?

Cyber Akuma said:
Oh, I was under the impression that it could
So then my only option is the htcdev unlock? I really want to avoid basically telling HTC "Don't let this IMEI have any warranty service" if I can. I still won't have any issues getting S-OFF if I use the htcdev method though, right?
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No, HTC Dev won't interfere with you gaining S-off.

So, does anybody know about the Google Wallet thing?

Cyber Akuma said:
So, does anybody know about the Google Wallet thing?
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What "thing" are you referring to?
Sent from my HTC device

FinZ28 said:
What "thing" are you referring to?
Sent from my HTC device
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Last line in my original post:
Oh, and oen final thing, because I constantly hear that changing the battery (admittedly, not an issue with the M8) or doing this or that breaks Google Wallet for security purposes, would doing any of this stop Google Wallet and it's NFC features from working?
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Google Wallet and all its features should work just fine.
Sent from my HTC device

FinZ28 said:
Google Wallet and all its features should work just fine.
Sent from my HTC device
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Fin is correct, that was an issue with the EVO LTE when it first came out, people were not first disabling Wallet before they flashed, and this caused an issue with app reinstallation. I believe that was resolved many updates ago for wallet.

03orlandor6 said:
Fin is correct, that was an issue with the EVO LTE when it first came out, people were not first disabling Wallet before they flashed, and this caused an issue with app reinstallation. I believe that was resolved many updates ago for wallet.
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Thank you for the detailed response, It's a great help when people also explain why something does or doesn't work in some way.
So basically, to summarize, for a Sprint M8 I can only use the official dev unlock, and even the temporarily root methods don't work, but after I use the dev unlock I can run firewater to get S-Off?
I am going to have to install a rom with root access after I use the dev unlock though and not be able to rely on the Stock rom through aren't I? I can still get a rom that is 100% the stock rom, just with root access though, right?
Would I have to worry about anything or an OTA resetting me to S-ON? Especially if it can fix the exploit that currently allows for S-Off?

Cyber Akuma said:
Thank you for the detailed response, It's a great help when people also explain why something does or doesn't work in some way.
So basically, to summarize, for a Sprint M8 I can only use the official dev unlock, and even the temporarily root methods don't work, but after I use the dev unlock I can run firewater to get S-Off?
I am going to have to install a rom with root access after I use the dev unlock though and not be able to rely on the Stock rom through aren't I? I can still get a rom that is 100% the stock rom, just with root access though, right?
Would I have to worry about anything or an OTA resetting me to S-ON? Especially if it can fix the exploit that currently allows for S-Off?
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Yes, use HTC Dev to unlock, install a custom recovery, then flash SuperSU for root access. You can then use Firewater to gain S-off. You can stay on the stock ROM, just be warned that you'll get update notifications if you aren't on the latest OTA update. Having said that, you won't be able to install said update unless you reinstall the stock recovery.
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Having said that, you won't be able to install said update unless you reinstall the stock recovery.
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It's only the recovery that matters? Not the S-Off or having Dev unlock or anything else? And only for installing a stock update, not running it after it's been installed?
Isn't that easy to flash and re-flash? Can't I just easily re-flash back to a stock recovery, install the OTA, then flash back?
Oh, and can I lose S-Off in a future update or something this way? Or is it permanent once applied? (Although I know you can hex-exit the bootloader to make it look like it's still S-On, not sure if I want to do that since it sounds extremely risky).

Cyber Akuma said:
It's only the recovery that matters? Not the S-Off or having Dev unlock or anything else? And only for installing a stock update, not running it after it's been installed?
Isn't that easy to flash and re-flash? Can't I just easily re-flash back to a stock recovery, install the OTA, then flash back?
Oh, and can I lose S-Off in a future update or something this way? Or is it permanent once applied? (Although I know you can hex-exit the bootloader to make it look like it's still S-On, not sure if I want to do that since it sounds extremely risky).
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It's that easy, yes, and no, you can't lose S-off by applying an OTA update. Take a look at the thread in the link below for more info:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2720558
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[Q] How to install Lollipop?

So I just bought the XT1068 and I know that the L update is still not released in India so how can I flash it instead of waiting for the OTA? Any step-by-step guides would be helpful because I am quite the noob. My phone is brand new, just removed out of the box so please tell me how to flash the update.

Ajit99 said:
So I just bought the XT1068 and I know that the L update is still not released in India so how can I flash it instead of waiting for the OTA? Any step-by-step guides would be helpful because I am quite the noob. My phone is brand new, just removed out of the box so please tell me how to flash the update.
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Check this out:
http://droiddefy.com/how-to-update-...69-to-official-android-5-0-lollipop-manually/
That is the best tutorial i could find! Cheers!
Edit:
There could be some bugs for dual sim models. the xt1069. Make sure to read the comments and especially the tutorial

Ajit99 said:
So I just bought the XT1068 and I know that the L update is still not released in India so how can I flash it instead of waiting for the OTA? Any step-by-step guides would be helpful because I am quite the noob. My phone is brand new, just removed out of the box so please tell me how to flash the update.
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Mate, I'd hold on a bit if I were you . You have to unlock your bootloader to flash these ROMs. Unlocking means losing your warranty (special case in India :crying. And there's also tiny bugs in those ROMs.

aditya.upadhyaya said:
Mate, I'd hold on a bit if I were you . You have to unlock your bootloader to flash these ROMs. Unlocking means losing your warranty (special case in India :crying. And there's also tiny bugs in those ROMs.
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It all depends - while I will leave the research up to you, I was able to update without unlocking the bootloader on an xt1064. The trouble is that all the pieces have to fall into place correctly, meaning that you have to have the right update file for your build (and YOUR device - xt1068). My update process was haphazardly documented here. Basically, I started out with a carrier locked (Consumer Cellular) version of the phone, running their specific build. I unlocked the phone's sim lock via online vendor, flashed over the latest factory firmware I could find at the time (21.11.23.titan_retuaws). from there, I installed the specific update to go from 21.11.23 to 22.21.25 (where I am now). but that's the kicker - you need the OTA files that correspond to your exact build(s) and there may be more than one to get you all the way up to current.
Anyway, I did all of this using official, signed OTA files and firmware and more importantly, with a locked bootloader.

joeparker54 said:
It all depends - while I will leave the research up to you, I was able to update without unlocking the bootloader on an xt1064. The trouble is that all the pieces have to fall into place correctly, meaning that you have to have the right update file for your build (and YOUR device - xt1068). My update process was haphazardly documented here. Basically, I started out with a carrier locked (Consumer Cellular) version of the phone, running their specific build. I unlocked the phone's sim lock via online vendor, flashed over the latest factory firmware I could find at the time (21.11.23.titan_retuaws). from there, I installed the specific update to go from 21.11.23 to 22.21.25 (where I am now). but that's the kicker - you need the OTA files that correspond to your exact build(s) and there may be more than one to get you all the way up to current.
Anyway, I did all of this using official, signed OTA files and firmware and more importantly, with a locked bootloader.
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NIIIICEEE!!!!!! But the problem here is, we don't have Lollipop OTAs for XT1068/69 to do that.:crying:

Help on XT1254 OTA

Hi guys,
I (and some of my friends) had a problem with XT1254:
1. We updated to 6.0.1 via recovery with update.zip. This process had successfully done.
2. Several felt something wrong with new 6.0.1 system, so they re-updated via recovery again (still the same update.zip). This made the system dead. They could not enter system, except bootloader and recovery. The problem is that source system needs to be Lollipop SU4TL-49 so the re-update process will fail.
3. I did like them and tried to find the solution from old methods:
- tried to downgrade to 5.1;
- tried to flash new 6.0.1 system.img;
- deleted some lines in "updater-script" and tried to sideload via recovery;
but all failed because of "invalid signed image" (for both RSD and fastboot). The partion, boot, kernel have been the newest ones.
4. I tried to downgrade my XT1060 to Kitkat (another mine), and it also failed with flashing system.img. I had to flash the Lollipop's system.img and the problem solved.
Conclusion:
1. Unlock bootloader and flash TWRP will solved the problem for XT1254. The phone could not boot to system so buying a unique key is the only solution (but how to buy?).
2. Wait for the 6.0.1 flash file (xml) then flash via RSD. Several security patches from Verizon may lock the downgrade process.
3. Can some one give other solutions?
Thanks guys!!!!

mr_5kool said:
Hi guys,
I (and some of my friends) had a problem with XT1254:
1. We updated to 6.0.1 via recovery with update.zip. This process had successfully done.
2. Several felt something wrong with new 6.0.1 system, so they re-updated via recovery again (still the same update.zip). This made the system dead. They could not enter system, except bootloader and recovery. The problem is that source system needs to be Lollipop SU4TL-49 so the re-update process will fail.
3. I did like them and tried to find the solution from old methods:
- tried to downgrade to 5.1;
- tried to flash new 6.0.1 system.img;
- deleted some lines in "updater-script" and tried to sideload via recovery;
but all failed because of "invalid signed image" (for both RSD and fastboot). The partion, boot, kernel have been the newest ones.
4. I tried to downgrade my XT1060 to Kitkat (another mine), and it also failed with flashing system.img. I had to flash the Lollipop's system.img and the problem solved.
Conclusion:
1. Unlock bootloader and flash TWRP will solved the problem for XT1254. The phone could not boot to system so buying a unique key is the only solution (but how to buy?).
2. Wait for the 6.0.1 flash file (xml) then flash via RSD. Several security patches from Verizon may lock the downgrade process.
3. Can some one give other solutions?
Thanks guys!!!!
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me too
i updated to 6.0.1 via recovery with update.zip. This process had successfully done and re-updated via recovery again (still the same update.zip) and i factory reset tin recovery so it stuck screen 'erasing...'They could not enter system, except bootloader and recovery vesersion (6.0.1),can not into apply update sdcard , it turn e:\unkown volum path [sdcard]... and I did like them and tried to find the solution from old methods:
- tried to downgrade to 5.1;
- tried to flash new 6.0.1 system.img;
but all failed because of "invalid signed image" (for both RSD and fastboot). The partion, boot, kernel have been the newest ones.
Conclusion:
1. Unlock bootloader and flash TWRP will solved the problem for XT1254. The phone could not boot to system so buying a unique key is the only solution (but how to buy?).
2. Wait for the 6.0.1 flash file (xml) then flash via RSD. Several security patches from Verizon may lock the downgrade process.
3. Can some one give other solutions?

longbin said:
1. Unlock bootloader and flash TWRP will solved the problem for XT1254. The phone could not boot to system so buying a unique key is the only solution (but how to buy?).
2. Wait for the 6.0.1 flash file (xml) then flash via RSD. Several security patches from Verizon may lock the downgrade process.
3. Can some one give other solutions?
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1. I have never heard of anyone selling bootloader unlock keys for the XT1254. If you want to unlock your bootloader, Sunshine is your only option, and as of right now it will only work on lollipop builds. If your phone is on marshmallow, Sunshine will not work. If your phone cannot boot, it won't work no matter what build you're on.
2. If your phone is bricked and on marshmallow, waiting for the full firmware package is your only option. However, a downgrade to a previous firmware with a locked bootloader isn't, and has never been, possible.

mr_5kool said:
Conclusion:
1. Unlock bootloader and flash TWRP will solved the problem for XT1254. The phone could not boot to system so buying a unique key is the only solution (but how to buy?).
2. Wait for the 6.0.1 flash file (xml) then flash via RSD. Several security patches from Verizon may lock the downgrade process.
3. Can some one give other solutions?
Thanks guys!!!!
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unlock the bootloader and install TWRP BEFORE doing any updates, while still on Lollipop. That is the only safe, logical answer. An unlocked bootloader -- especially with custom recovery -- will let you do lot of things and is more forgiving of mistakes than a locked bootloader.
We keep telling people that and they won't believe us.
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TheSt33v said:
If your phone is bricked and on marshmallow, waiting for the full firmware package is your only option. However, a downgrade to a previous firmware with a locked bootloader isn't, and has never been, possible.
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Right. Several people who didn't like Lollipop but preferred the original Kitkat "speed", "battery life" or whatever successfully downgraded back to 4.4.4 -- but only AFTER they unlocked their bootloader. Even then you have to make sure you don't flash the old gpt.bin in ADB, but downgrading is possible with an UNlocked bootloader.
Even when flashing XT1250 firmware over XT1254 or vice versa, it CAN be done with a locked bootloader, but if you mess something up you are in big trouble. UNlocked bootloader? Just do it again, correcting your mistake the next time.
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TheSt33v said:
1. I have never heard of anyone selling bootloader unlock keys for the XT1254.
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There was a guy on some website who was selling some Verizon keys a long time ago, known as "the Chinaman". He disappeared.
China Middleman Back??
http://forum.xda-developers.com/moto-x/moto-x-qa/china-middleman-t2751177
dschill said:
Well the china man added me back on skype today. And sadly said that he can no longer get the codes and refunded my 45$ via paypal.
Heres a little bit of the skype transcipt
[12:08:22 PM] live:dschillinrecovery: k i just got the refund
[12:08:25 PM] live:dschillinrecovery: so you cant get the code any more?
[12:12:41 PM] VIP-UNLOCK: No time to deal with the accident, we default to a refund
[12:13:08 PM] VIP-UNLOCK: Sorry, goodbye
[12:13:32 PM] live:dschillinrecovery: Its alright. Thanks for the refund though. Let me know if you can ever get the codes again
Guess the best we can do for now is to wait for jcase and sunshine to release the 3.0 version.
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and another thread discussing same guy:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/moto-x/general/4-1-vzw-att-moto-maker-bootloader-t2680651
The process seems to involve sending approximately $45 to a Chinese middle-man via eBay and another website, along with your IMEI and cell phone number, and you will receive an unlock code.
It seems like this is all one guy handling this process. Turnaround time seems to be 24-48 hours beginning to end.
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Theory was that someone with access to Motorola's engineering software had a side business going. You know they unlock their bootloaders for testing and such. Someone with access to that software could make some money if they made sure they covered their tracks.
Also people who visited China were able to buy unlocked bootloader Droid Turbos well before Sunshine was released. One guy posted in this forum. In that case, it was probably pilfering some phones from the factory -- but again with unlocked bootloaders. So, there is some software out there somewhere, just kept under wraps.

Haha the Chinaman? Really? Sounds like an evil arms dealer from a 90's action movie. Man, if only the magic official bootloader unlocking software was leaked. That would be like Christmas times infinity.

TheSt33v said:
Haha the Chinaman? Really? Sounds like an evil arms dealer from a 90's action movie. Man, if only the magic official bootloader unlocking software was leaked. That would be like Christmas times infinity.
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I updated my post to include XDA links. I can't find any examples of Droid Turbos being unlocked via this eBay "purchase" only other Verizon phones, but there are the legitimate reports of unlocked Droid Turbos for sale in China in the year prior to Sunshine being released November 2015. One guy even posted on here because he was trying to install CM12.1 at the time on his BOOTLOADER UNLOCKED Droid Turbo he had purchased in China.
Note the Chinese middleman guy was charging $45 for bootloader unlock at the time, and Sunshine only charges $25.

xml flash file is the last solution =))

@ChazzMatt: I think it's impossible to cross flash 1250 to 1254, but 1254 can flash to 1250

Doesn anybody know how much does usually takes for Verzion ( or whoever does it ) to release xml sbf firmware file? And do they release every? I need latest MCG24 or at least system file (s) is enough.
I have everything except system files, if anybody can provide system files or knows hot to convert ones from ota , I can make complete fastboot xml zip.
EDIT: System from OTA is not enough. If somebody can provide system / backup from MCG24 phone, I might be able to make it.

mr_5kool said:
@ChazzMatt: I think it's impossible to cross flash 1250 to 1254, but 1254 can flash to 1250
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No, people have done both. One guy messaged me on Hangouts telling me what he did, so I know it can be done.

ChazzMatt said:
No, people have done both. One guy messaged me on Hangouts telling me what he did, so I know it can be done.
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Can you give little more info on this. Changed cid? Unlocked bootloader? Maybe we can use x1250 xml fastboot files until they release Marshmallow fastboot. I need one for backup , I know I'll brick the phone sooner or later , as guys above did lol..

Yes, unlocked bootloader and you don't flash the XT1254 bootloader. This was before Sunshine, and he converted XT1250 to XT1254 with unlocked bootloader.
We chatted over a few days, while he tried to find an XT1250, ordered one, then it arrived. Then he flashed the Verizon firmware. Here's the relevant portion of what he wrote:
Flashed the Verizon radio and 5.1 FW (firmware)
The only problem I have right now is upload speeds are super slow.
gonna try wiping the radio and re-writing the radio
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I then asked him a couple of questions and he answered this:
Yes I flashed the Verizon Radio to the device
not the bootloader image, for obvious reasons
I wanted 5.1, so I didn't test until I had the VZW 5.1 with my SIM card
I'm going to try an reflash soon, and then get a new SIM just in case
I hope Verizon doesn't give me any trouble getting a new SIM at my local store
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I didn't hear from him anymore after that, so guess everything turned out OK. This in August 2015, was about a month after 5.1 was released for the Droid Turbo XT1254 (XT1250 was still on 4.4.4) but before Sunshine released their bootloader unlock for the XT1254 in November 2015.

ChazzMatt said:
Yes, unlocked bootloader and you don't flash the XT1254 bootloader. This was before Sunshine, and he converted XT1250 to XT1254 with unlocked bootloader.
We chatted over a few days, while he tried to find an XT1250, ordered one, then it arrived. Then he flashed the Verizon firmware. Here's the relevant portion of what he wrote:
I then asked him a couple of questions and he answered this:
I didn't hear from him anymore after that, so guess everything turned out OK. This in August 2015, was about a month after 5.1 was released for the Droid Turbo XT1254 (XT1250 was still on 4.4.4) but before Sunshine released their bootloader unlock for the XT1254 in November 2015.
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Yeah but we're talking about vice-versa here, flashing xt1250 Firmware to xt1254 .
Flashing xt1254 firmware to xt1250 with unlocked bootloader doesn't seem like a big deal, it should be possible anyway..

Ej?iSixo said:
Yeah but we're talking about vice-versa here, flashing xt1250 Firmware to xt1254 .
Flashing xt1254 firmware to xt1250 with unlocked bootloader doesn't seem like a big deal, it should be possible anyway..
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That's been done, too. I didn't know that was the question.
One guy didn't want Verizon bloatware and his solution was to flash the "pure" Motorola firmware from the XT1250 over his XT1254.
Yes, he had unlocked bootloader and could have just uninstalled the bloatware. I'm not saying it was logical, I'm just telling you what he did.
So there's no question these two phones are exactly the same device, with exactly the same FCC ID.
The issue is the XT1250/XT1254 being flashed needs to the other needs an unlocked bootloader. And you can't downgrade (gpt.bin) when you flash.
So, for the purposes of this thread that information doesn't help you, if your XT1254 bootloader isn't unlocked.

mr_5kool said:
Hi guys,
I (and some of my friends) had a problem with XT1254:
1. We updated to 6.0.1 via recovery with update.zip. This process had successfully done.
2. Several felt something wrong with new 6.0.1 system, so they re-updated via recovery again (still the same update.zip). This made the system dead. They could not enter system, except bootloader and recovery. The problem is that source system needs to be Lollipop SU4TL-49 so the re-update process will fail.
Conclusion: Wait for the 6.0.1 flash file (xml) then flash via RSD.
Thanks guys!!!!
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[FXZ] Official Stock Firmware 6.0.1 MCG24.251-5
https://forum.xda-developers.com/dr...-official-stock-firmware-6-0-1-mcg24-t3531571