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HTC Dream Defects

Hi guys,
I was going to buy a used HTC Dream and I was wondering what defects or problems I should look for. So far I've read about people hearing buzzing during calls and squeaky cases. Obviously I would check if the phone would boot and make calls but I'm not sure what else could be wrong with it. Thank you.

I've had no problems with mine other than it squeaked when I got it like you mentioned. But that is easily fixed with an exacto knife and 30 seconds.

Defects? i have had no problems whats so ever with my phone since i have been having it...sound quality might be off but thats because of poor signal though

memory card comes loose all the time. sometimes from slight movement, sometimes from slamming the screen closed to fast. sometimes when sitting on the counter and nothing at all is touching it. this is a problem because if you have apps2sd and swap it will crash the phone and corrupt certain apps.
also my D and F keys are going out. The chin is a horrible design "feature". An attempt to make it look more like a phone but it just makes it hard to press buttons while it's on the table.
the amount of ram reported in specs is missleading. in other phones HTC makes they dont count the radio chips ram in the spec.
battery is pretty small. most people opt for the 2400MH one which makes the thing huge.
there is no 3.5mm jack. (wtf mates)
lots of wasted space on the front of the phone that could be used for more screen space.
the chin doesn't slide with the screen making a large block on the right side of the keyboard that makes it hard to type.
The price I pay for android

Sliding mechanism gets loose after a while
Poor battery life, no matter what you say.
Backlight on the keyboard is a tad bit uneven.
It doesn't dance the way I want it to.
Sometimes you can pop the SD card door off, which is annoying.
Strange camera that takes either fairly good pictures or absolutely terrible ones.
I can't run Crysis on it.
It causes you to have OCD and constantly update ROMs and be completely obsessed with it trying to make it better until the point you no longer have a social life and your one and only friend is your G1, then you finally brick it.

Sirus20x6 said:
memory card comes loose all the time. sometimes from slight movement, sometimes from slamming the screen closed to fast. sometimes when sitting on the counter and nothing at all is touching it. this is a problem because if you have apps2sd and swap it will crash the phone and corrupt certain apps.
also my D and F keys are going out. The chin is a horrible design "feature". An attempt to make it look more like a phone but it just makes it hard to press buttons while it's on the table.
the amount of ram reported in specs is missleading. in other phones HTC makes they dont count the radio chips ram in the spec.
battery is pretty small. most people opt for the 2400MH one which makes the thing huge.
there is no 3.5mm jack. (wtf mates)
lots of wasted space on the front of the phone that could be used for more screen space.
the chin doesn't slide with the screen making a large block on the right side of the keyboard that makes it hard to type.
The price I pay for android
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I gotta disagree with the chin.. I think its pretty awesome... ugly... but oh so useful... I've dropped my phone at least a dozen times and not a single scratch on the screen because the chin elevates the screen above the ground so its actually very hard to scratch the screen from dropping it ;D

h.nocturna said:
I gotta disagree with the chin.. I think its pretty awesome... ugly... but oh so useful... I've dropped my phone at least a dozen times and not a single scratch on the screen because the chin elevates the screen above the ground so its actually very hard to scratch the screen from dropping it ;D
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ugly? i think it gives the phone character. like it says to other phones "i will kill you and eat your children and lick their blood off my chin because i have chin."

I'm not sure if anyone else has this problem, but from day one I found that the outer keys traveled further, and the inner keys (on the keyboard) didn't travel nearly as far. It's kinda annoying, as the outer keys feel nice to use >.>
But yeah other than that: battery life, my sdcard door had to be glued back on and the screen creaks on the bottom right corner (exacto knives ftw). It's still a damn good phone.

SolemnWishing said:
Sliding mechanism gets loose after a while
Poor battery life, no matter what you say.
Backlight on the keyboard is a tad bit uneven.
It doesn't dance the way I want it to.
Sometimes you can pop the SD card door off, which is annoying.
Strange camera that takes either fairly good pictures or absolutely terrible ones.
I can't run Crysis on it.
It causes you to have OCD and constantly update ROMs and be completely obsessed with it trying to make it better until the point you no longer have a social life and your one and only friend is your G1, then you finally brick it.
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I can get 3 days charge out of my stock battery...... and that's browsing the internet for 2hrs a day and about 40 txts

SolemnWishing said:
Sliding mechanism gets loose after a while
Poor battery life, no matter what you say.
Backlight on the keyboard is a tad bit uneven.
It doesn't dance the way I want it to.
Sometimes you can pop the SD card door off, which is annoying.
Strange camera that takes either fairly good pictures or absolutely terrible ones.
I can't run Crysis on it.
It causes you to have OCD and constantly update ROMs and be completely obsessed with it trying to make it better until the point you no longer have a social life and your one and only friend is your G1, then you finally brick it.
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Haha, the final part of your quote is true. If it's your only friend, and you brick it, well, you're a loner.
As for my HTC Dream, it's great. The battery life is poor though, I wish I could tweak it to "Supah High Energy Saver" Mode, I have to recharge it twice a day (one via USB at school, and one on AC at home).

texanman said:
I can get 3 days charge out of my stock battery...... and that's browsing the internet for 2hrs a day and about 40 txts
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I am sorry, but I do not believe that unless you are maybe browsing with 3G off, Wi-Fi off, Bluetooth off along with the display brightness at the lowest it will go. Then maybe. Why? Because I don't even use the internet for 2 hours a day, that is a lot and I still have to recharge at the end of the day. 3 days is what people using 2400mAh extended batteries are getting out of their phone.

Sirus20x6 said:
my D and F keys are going out.
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Me too. Same keys. I have to practically MASH my f key down to get it to register lately. My D key works when I try using *just it*, but if I'm typing quickly it never does and then when I go back and press it, it seems to work with no problem.
Also, my DEL key is starting to go. ]
It also drives me nuts, when I'm typing, that the phone isn't vertically more symmetrical.

i can narrowly get 3 days out of my G1 with a 2400Mah bat, the stock battery is good for a day thats it.
the good part about the 2400 Mah bat besides the excellent bat life is that it makes the phone so large its much easier to type on the keyboard afterward IMO

SolemnWishing said:
It causes you to have OCD and constantly update ROMs and be completely obsessed with it trying to make it better until the point you no longer have a social life and your one and only friend is your G1, then you finally brick it.
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haha halarious
but on topic
I am not a big fan on the chin or lack of 3.5 headphone jack but you cant beat that android os
in my opinion the greatest phone of Ive ever had the pleasure of using
I was coming from the samsung double sided phone from sprint, worst phone ive ever used

Is your battery cover door discoloring near the charging port??

I wonder if this means my phone is overheating.
I only recently bought this phone. and have had it no more than 2 weeks.
I know this isnt dirt because it wont wipe off, and he way i hold my phone should not be causing anything on my hands to cause this.
I have a suspicion that the phone is getting so hot that it fades or burns this into the cover.

I always figured it was only the battery that over heated but looking at the picture, its pretty much only where there is no battery under it

I've had mine since december and it looks perfect still. I keep it under an Invesible Sheild though. I use wifi tether religiously and thats what really gets the phone hot.

Kinda hard to tell from the pic but it looks to be rubbing on something. Do you keep it in your pocket wit other stuff?

I've had my hero since october, use wifi tether ALL the time, and zippo. Perfect shade of beige on the back

The 2 things that get my phone the hottest:
Having it plugged in, especially into the computer here at work(low signal).
Using something that causes my wifi radio to be active for a long period of time. I think wifi tether would qualify here, so I would guess that its the cause.

I have that discoloration on mine also but it is more towards the middle and I noticed it after using the Sprint black/blue covers. I have since stopped using them and it has not changed since then

Please help me solve this once and for all....

I'm going to put short sentences for quickness
Bought N6 off Mobile Phones Direct. Good service. No issues.
Phone charger starts whittling.
Motorola replace charger.
Phone slowly develops symptoms of dodgy battery within 6 weeks:
Expanding battery, case pulling away, red hot charging and draining fast.
After lots of liaison with Motorola who did their best to suggest it was my apo usage they eventually take it for repair. I sent it off ' immaculate ' apart from the fault.
Despite me sending loads of documented online proof that devices like this are being replaced, the Phone comes back 'repaired' not replaced which disappointed me.
Any way I get it back a week later, and initially the phone seems better; apparently it's had a new back and battery.
However I noticed the back was not flush. About .5mm out in alignment and its slightly raised.
In addition, the phone battery gets up to 40 odd degrees when charging and at times it's not pleasant to touch, it's that hot when charging. This is how it all started in the first place!
They've offfered to take it back 'again' and do a ' sort this once and for all ' repair.
I just feel hard done by here. The phone was brand spankers in April and 3 months down the line it's in for a second repair and Motorola aren't even considering replacing this obviously dodgy handset.
If this second repair isn't perfect and working satisfactorily, surely I have some sort of legal rights here to demand a replacement under the not fit for purpose sales of goods act ?

Xperia23 said:
In addition, the phone battery gets up to 40 odd degrees when charging and at times it's not pleasant to touch, it's that hot when charging. This is how it all started in the first place!
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40C, you do realize that a human body on average is at 37C?? 40C isnt even close to being considered hot. when charging, 40C can be considered cool, not hot. lol.

Yeh I realise this I'm just saying that the CPU temp app suggests that temp, but to touch the phone is red hot. Like a cup of tea after its been sat for 10 mins Max.
Thanks for the condescending tone though.

Red Hot suggests burning your skin off. Red Hot would melt the device.
The device is going to get somewhat hot. Not red hot as you suggest.
If that were the case, you would easily be able to separate the glass from the LCD and also pull the LCD from the frame.

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Yeh I realise this I'm just saying that the CPU temp app suggests that temp, but to touch the phone is red hot. Like a cup of tea after its been sat for 10 mins Max.
Thanks for the condescending tone though.
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unfortunately, feel isnt an accurate way to discuss temperature. all feel does is show you whats warmer or cooler than what you are feeling with. and that has nothing to do with my tone towards your issie, it just is what it is. i read people complaining constantly that their phone reaches 40C(lol). well, guess what, it can get much hotter normally, up to 100C, thats 212F, or the boiling point of water.
i feel bad for you about your issue, but that happens. but 40C when charging has nothing to do with it.

I'd send it back for the second look-see, since you feel that the back is out of alignment (picture, please?)
I'd offer that the heat issue doesn't seem extreme for a phone, depending upon how it's being charged (e.g., fast charge). Also, do you keep this in any sort of case, perhaps?
I've actually never used the Motorola charger, instead I use a USB 99% of the time. I do recall reading about battery issues with a minority of folks who used the fast charger, so perhaps that's what you initially hit?
- ooofest

For starters the app might be inaccurate but all I know is the phone to touch is considerably hot. Heat kills battery life or increases degradation so therefore it won't be long at this rate, before I need another new battery. My point is this is how it all started and its starting again. Motorola seem quite happy to keep repairing. My simple question was where you feel I stand before claiming unfit for purpose. In a 2 year contract I expect the phone to be reliable but i have no trust in this device. I'll send it back see what they do. Probably another case and send it back.

Xperia23 said:
For starters the app might be inaccurate but all I know is the phone to touch is considerably hot. Heat kills battery life or increases degradation so therefore it won't be long at this rate, before I need another new battery. My point is this is how it all started and its starting again. Motorola seem quite happy to keep repairing. My simple question was where you feel I stand before claiming unfit for purpose. In a 2 year contract I expect the phone to be reliable but i have no trust in this device. I'll send it back see what they do. Probably another case and send it back.
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and unfortunately, touch does not give you a temperature reading. ok, try this experiment, itll show you about touch and temperature. get 3 glasses of water, one cold, one hot, and one room temperature. put your left hand in tbe cold water and your right hnd in the hot water. keep them there for about 3 minutes. then take out both hands and put both hands into the room temp water. your left hand, which was in cold water, will now feel warm. and your right hand, which was in hot water, will now feel cool. yet they both are in the same temp water.
anyways, send it back, and a hope for a better future from me to you

Right.....Thanks for that. However I know the difference from a phone thats warm to touch and overheating. I expect warm, but I know the phone should be getting this hot, end of. I'm not the only one as well with this issue... Just do a google search. See for yourself. Clearly im pissin in the wind here.

Xperia23 said:
Right.....Thanks for that. However I know the difference from a phone thats warm to touch and overheating. I expect warm, but I know the phone should be getting this hot, end of. I'm not the only one as well with this issue... Just do a google search. See for yourself. Clearly im pissin in the wind here.
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battery bloating, no you weren't the only one. with a heat issue, you are. sure, you can google and find people that think they have heat issues with the device, but in reality, the issue is in their heads.

Like you said pissing in the wind. Good luck getting help just ridiculed

Mobile Phone Direct in the end replaced - as I was told it fell to the retailer regardless of 28 days or not, if its within 6 months in the UK it falls to the retailer in cases like mine with faulty products. In the end, after sending the phone off to the retailer, they replaced it with a new one one, no issues - took long to get there, but I did in the end.
The new one was perfect throughout my contract. Not a single overheating issue - although it did get warm when charging (nothing like before) and the battery and back cover remain fine.

nexus 6 speaker phone issue still going on and sudden shutdowns

Just out of curiosity has anyone able to find a fix for this issues as well any flashable Zips out there? I've been having this phone for a very long time even though I still can't resolve my issues with the noice on the top speaker as well with the sudden shut down when on 40% to 30% gets me frustrated but I still love my Nexus 6 I wish there was a fix these issue I can't send mine for repair since it expired of the warranty!

Your issues with the speakerphone and sudden shutdowns are unrelated. The speakerphone issue was fixed some time ago in custom ROMs, and if I recall correctly was never present in stock. Your shutdown issue is because your battery is worn out. You'll need to replace it.

Yep, bad battery, had to replace mine at the start of the year, if it's at 30-40% don't expect much more out of it, the battery can't put out the required voltage the system needs to hit clock speeds. Could limit clock speeds for a very temp fix if desperate lol.
Far as the battery goes, my advice is get one that's already bent into shape / curved. I made the mistake of getting a flat one and had to curve it myself which is basically impossible. Turns out the funny thing with the Nexus 6 is the shape of the battery fully dictates the shape of the midframe, if it's not perfect then the midframe bends to match the battery not the other way around, and you can imagine what this does to the entire phone since having a warped midframe + battery will make the entire device to fit the same form. Sitting mine on a level surface it is clear it is no longer straight. I've tried to redo it many times but repeatedly bending a battery is not very advisable :-/ lol.

LaGgY_42o said:
Yep, bad battery, had to replace mine at the start of the year, if it's at 30-40% don't expect much more out of it, the battery can't put out the required voltage the system needs to hit clock speeds. Could limit clock speeds for a very temp fix if desperate lol.
Far as the battery goes, my advice is get one that's already bent into shape / curved. I made the mistake of getting a flat one and had to curve it myself which is basically impossible. Turns out the funny thing with the Nexus 6 is the shape of the battery fully dictates the shape of the midframe, if it's not perfect then the midframe bends to match the battery not the other way around, and you can imagine what this does to the entire phone since having a warped midframe + battery will make the entire device to fit the same form. Sitting mine on a level surface it is clear it is no longer straight. I've tried to redo it many times but repeatedly bending a battery is not very advisable :-/ lol.
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Ah alright thanks for the advice I had mine for a long time and it hasn't been doing that and now I noticed the speaker crackle and sudden shut downs even when playing Clash of clans I hear static on the top speaker and it shuts down :/ making me annoyed it's settled that I'll replace my battery I don't want to get a new phone just yet because I surely do love the N6! It's one of my all time favorite Phablet!

Low temperature shutdown issues

Hi
I am into hill walking and mountaineering. I am finding that my note 8 will shutdown if the temperature is below about -5C and I start the camera to take some pics. Once it's shutdown, it will refuse to start until warmed up, and needs a soft reset. It also comes back with 5% showing in the battery but had 80% at the time of shutdown.
It's rather a pain in the neck. My old Xperia Z5, Z3C and Z1 would do -20C without ever having issues.
I am assuming this is just an annoying 'feature' of Samsung devices rather than a fault.
I am thinking of running a background number crunching app to prevent deep sleep! Samsung is not interested, wondered if others had the same issue. If I stick my old Z5 and the Note 8 in my freezer at -15 for an hour the note 8 shuts down, but the Z5 carries on as normal. Prob down to cheap/nasty battery tech in the note 8.
Nigel

That is interesting. I'm going to northern Japan this Sunday for 3 weeks. It will be snow and freezing cold. I'll report back how my Note 8 works there. I really hope mine won't shutdown when i really need to use it.

veletron said:
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I am into hill walking and mountaineering. I am finding that my note 8 will shutdown if the temperature is below about -5C and I start the camera to take some pics. Once it's shutdown, it will refuse to start until warmed up, and needs a soft reset. It also comes back with 5% showing in the battery but had 80% at the time of shutdown.
It's rather a pain in the neck. My old Xperia Z5, Z3C and Z1 would do -20C without ever having issues.
I am assuming this is just an annoying 'feature' of Samsung devices rather than a fault.
I am thinking of running a background number crunching app to prevent deep sleep! Samsung is not interested, wondered if others had the same issue. If I stick my old Z5 and the Note 8 in my freezer at -15 for an hour the note 8 shuts down, but the Z5 carries on as normal. Prob down to cheap/nasty battery tech in the note 8.
Nigel
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That's a lil concerning -5C = +23F. Last week it was negative -10F here. I was shoveling snow for about an hour, big driveway/sidewalk path aka snowblower needs fixed. I took a few pics and took some calls/text. No shutdowns here. Now at the same time shoveling snow takes a lot of work so maybe my body heat was keeping it warm in pocket.
But at the same time the same could be said about what your doing and body heat idk. We need more people to chime in.
Oh bonus people in hot climates don't be afraid to chime in. Curious how this phone handles the heat. Gets cold here in winter, but really hot and mushy in the summer.

Hi
Mine is not in a pocket, but rather mounted to a chest strap on rucksack so it gets full force of cold and wind - exactly the same as my old Z5 - reason: it is also my GPS for walking and ski-touring. Maybe you can leave yours out in the cold exposed for an hour, then try taking a photo and see if it shuts down?
Nigel

veletron said:
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Mine is not in a pocket, but rather mounted to a chest strap on rucksack so it gets full force of cold and wind - exactly the same as my old Z5 - reason: it is also my GPS for walking and ski-touring. Maybe you can leave yours out in the cold exposed for an hour, then try taking a photo and see if it shuts down?
Nigel
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You could put it in a crown royal bag with a handwarmer. Would probably keep it warm enough. I live just 80 miles south of Canada in the PNW. It was 7 degrees last week. I left my phone in my car for a while and it was fine. It was really cold, but still working.

it's a glass phone. there is nothing under the glass but the components. that's the difference between it and your sony phone. glass is not a great insulator

Aye, might offer a work-around but not a particularly convenient one. I'll be back with Xperia end 2018 when I am due an upgrade. The phone only appears to actually shutdown when the camera is started while its cold. Must be high current draw, causing a voltage drop that gets detected and the device gets shutdown. Love the screen and pen, and camera, moved from Xperia after three separate devices as they looked old fashioned with their HUGE bezels, and refusal to adopt wireless charging.

It was 2 degrees F here in Nashville TN last week, but I stayed indoors and didn't go outside for any length of time to see how my phone would have been affected. Had some friends who went to the Jacksonville/Tennessee football game a couple of weeks ago.........16 degrees; they left early because they couldn't feel their limbs even with multiple hand/foot warmers...............I wonder how they kept their phones warm.

WaxysDargle said:
it's a glass phone. there is nothing under the glass but the components. that's the difference between it and your sony phone. glass is not a great insulator
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Its a glass phone in a heavy duty rubber case that I stuck it in! Both phones have a glass front! The wee bit of alu on the rear of the Z5 vs the glass on the Note 8 should not equate to a 15C difference in the temperature the device can withstand while continuing to function. I suspect the real reason is inferior battery tech vs Sony, and over-zealous low voltage detection and device shutdown.
I note that my Samsung 360cam also shutdown due to the cold this weekend gone, but my GoPro kept working.
Nigel

veletron said:
Its a glass phone in a heavy duty rubber case that I stuck it in! Both phones have a glass front! The wee bit of alu on the rear of the Z5 vs the glass on the Note 8 should not equate to a 15C difference in the temperature the device can withstand while continuing to function. I suspect the real reason is inferior battery tech vs Sony, and over-zealous low voltage detection and device shutdown.
I note that my Samsung 360cam also shutdown due to the cold this weekend gone, but my GoPro kept working.
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this could be a result of sammy overcompensating for their note7 debacle last year. the fact that root limits my battery at 80% says a lot.

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this could be a result of sammy overcompensating for their note7 debacle last year. the fact that root limits my battery at 80% says a lot.
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Isn't that 80% thing due to locked bootloader on Snapdragon? Root on Exynos doesn't have 80% issue, so not sure it's related to those Note 7 problems. The camera issue itself might still be though.

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Isn't that 80% thing due to locked bootloader on Snapdragon? Root on Exynos doesn't have 80% issue, so not sure it's related to those Note 7 problems. The camera issue itself might still be though.
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you're right, it is due to locked bootloader and the detection of root. it is no mistake that 80% is the cap when rooted. samsung did that on purpose. it started on models released after the note7, which is why i suspect they are weary of battery troubles, and if you root and begin to alter the system, the chances of an incident go up.
what camera issue are you referring to?

veletron said:
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Mine is not in a pocket, but rather mounted to a chest strap on rucksack so it gets full force of cold and wind - exactly the same as my old Z5 - reason: it is also my GPS for walking and ski-touring. Maybe you can leave yours out in the cold exposed for an hour, then try taking a photo and see if it shuts down?
Nigel
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I will do that for you. I have a porch on my 2nd floor room. We're supposed to get 6-9 inches again this weekend with below temps close to 0 F maybe below. I will leave it out for an hour then try to use it. Probably will have same problem as you I am guessing.
Especially when phone is exposed like you pointed out and no body heat to keep it warm. Like others pointed out which forgot glass sucks for insulation. But at the same time I thought the note had a few layers of glass? The best house windows are double and tripled layers sumtimes more. They offer good insulation.

WaxysDargle said:
you're right, it is due to locked bootloader and the detection of root. it is no mistake that 80% is the cap when rooted. samsung did that on purpose. it started on models released after the note7, which is why i suspect they are weary of battery troubles, and if you root and begin to alter the system, the chances of an incident go up.
what camera issue are you referring to?
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Great, thank you for confirming. The camera issue was the one mentioned by OP regarding trouble in colder temperatures. I just meant that while the 80% battery limit wasn't related to battery concerns or safety measures, I can't say with the same certainty that the camera issue described by OP isn't somehow related to that.
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I will do that for you. I have a porch on my 2nd floor room. We're supposed to get 6-9 inches again this weekend with below temps close to 0 F maybe below. I will leave it out for an hour then try to use it. Probably will have same problem as you I am guessing.
Especially when phone is exposed like you pointed out and no body heat to keep it warm. Like others pointed out which forgot glass sucks for installation. But at the same time I thought the note had a few layers of glass? The best house windows are double and tripled layers sumtimes more. They offer good installation.
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Maybe triple pane windows are made from a special type of glass? Or perhaps the spacing between those layers provides insulation not present on our phones? Not sure, just speculating here...

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Great, thank you for confirming. The camera issue was the one mentioned by OP regarding trouble in colder temperatures. I just meant that while the 80% battery limit wasn't related to battery concerns or safety measures, I can't say with the same certainty that the camera issue described by OP isn't somehow related to that.Maybe triple pane windows are made from a special type of glass? Or perhaps the spacing between those layers provides insulation not present on our phones? Not sure, just speculating here...
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Yeah idk crap a bout house windows lol. You're right they're made out of special glass I believe and spacing exists. Would think even few layers of glass would make some difference in phone? But I am no expert on glass and insulation. So I will just shut up lol.

glass,plastic,metal or whatever material wont do any difference in cold weather with prolonged exposer.( case or no case)
if it takes 10 minutes to get to minus 5 or if it take 30 minutes, you still will get there. the question at hand is at what temp does the phone stop( if it acctualy does).
i think this is the data we are looking for.

Little more insight
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.usatoday.com/amp/860460001

It happed recently two times with my S9 Plus at around 0C temperature both time battery was above 50% and after restart it was at 2 percent. i don't know why the this happened at this "happy to work" temprature.