http://www.sammobile.com/2015/04/21...ge-dont-or-youll-lose-this-important-feature/
I don't care, I would still root it if I could.
root > everything else
Don't care. Mobile payment solutions are still in its infancy, and the infrastructure is still being built. It could take years for the majority of stores and merchants to implement the merchant side to point where it's common place. And that's not accounting for if one payment solution dominates the market, or if they offer most or all (Apple, android, Samsung etc).
It should be noted that you only lose that feature IF you trip KNOX with your rooting method.
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It should be noted that you only lose that feature IF you trip KNOX with your rooting method.
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Good point. Glad to see you around designgears. You introduced me to rooting and ROMing way back with cognition for the captivate.
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Just to add to it, Softcard was also blocked with root but you could use xposed and download a root hider, essentially tricking the app into thinking the phone was not rooted to allow mobile payments. Worked well until they shut Softcard down when Google bought it, will miss the easy rewards..
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Don't care. Mobile payment solutions are still in its infancy, and the infrastructure is still being built. It could take years for the majority of stores and merchants to implement the merchant side to point where it's common place. And that's not accounting for if one payment solution dominates the market, or if they offer most or all (Apple, android, Samsung etc).
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Actually, with Samsung Pay, merchants won't need to do any sort of upgrading.
Device is so smooth and fast, it doesn't need root. It's solid.
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Actually, with Samsung Pay, merchants won't need to do any sort of upgrading.
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Exactly. Merchants can just use the same system. Samsung pay will act as a magnetic stripe that all credit card has.
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Exactly. Merchants can just use the same system. Samsung pay will act as a magnetic stripe that all credit card has.
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I live in a major metropolitan area of Florida and I still yet have to see any store or merchant offer it. I rest my case.
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I live in a major metropolitan area of Florida and I still yet have to see any store or merchant offer it. I rest my case.
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But there is no reason to advertise when it's meant to work with existing payment infrastructure. There is nothing to change to become compatible with Samsung pay. It imitates the magnetic field reading normally made when swiping a card through a reader, it simulates that happening.
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But there is no reason to advertise when it's meant to work with existing payment infrastructure. There is nothing to change to become compatible with Samsung pay. It imitates the magnetic field reading normally made when swiping a card through a reader, it simulates that happening.
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This is a oxymoronic statement. The whole point of advertising is to let the consumer know what products or services are being offered. You are making the assumption that everyone nationwide with a Samsung phone with this capability is going to know. If the establishment doesn't advertise that they accept Samsung pay, and most people don't know the inner workings, and that it works with the already existing infrastructure, then the average consumer is going to use a different method of payment. By the time this becomes common knowledge, myself and many others would have moved on to several different phones.
Who cares. I use cash....
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This is a oxymoronic statement. The whole point of advertising is to let the consumer know what products or services are being offered. You are making the assumption that everyone nationwide with a Samsung phone with this capability is going to know. If the establishment doesn't advertise that they accept Samsung pay, and most people don't know the inner workings, and that it works with the already existing infrastructure, then the average consumer is going to use a different method of payment. By the time this becomes common knowledge, myself and many others would have moved on to several different phones.
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Well this isn't for every Samsung phone. Only s6 devices have this capability and Samsung has advertised it with it's release.
With nfc or Apple pay, the merchants need to support it to use it. With Samsung pay, the merchants don't need to support Samsung pay in any way as it is just like a credit card to them.
I'm sure we will see more advertising on it when Samsung opens the software for our devices.
Then you can use it at basically any location that accepts a credit card. No special equipment or anything is needed on the part of the merchant.
Again....not everyone is going to know this and it will take a long time for this to be common knowledge. This will only be common knowledge by advertising and word of mouth.
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I live in a major metropolitan area of Florida and I still yet have to see any store or merchant offer it. I rest my case.
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That's because Samsung pay is not released it. Supposed to be released some time this summer.
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It could take years for the majority of stores and merchants to implement the merchant side to point where it's common place.
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Except the entire point of Samsung pay, is that it doesnt require any merchant changes. Aside from the NFC chip, the phone can create a magnetic field that can be read by every standard card swiper, making the swiper belive it just read a card. On the merchant side, the machine thinks it swiped a card just like any other. Yes, merchants will need to add NFC readers for that technology, but old tech is already supported by the phone's hardware.
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they don't offer it yet because Samsung hasn't made it "live" yet...
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You know...some ppl want to argue just to argue and to push their beliefs on others. Ppl will choose to do with their devices as they see fit. If you don't want to root your device because of this possible issue, then that's your poragative. If you want to root because you don't care...that's your prerogative. At this point, what is a fact is that it is not commonly accepted nationwide as of this moment, therefore has little to no impact on the masses. Period. Move along ppl.
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You know...some ppl want to argue just to argue and to push their beliefs on others. Ppl will choose to do with their devices as they see fit. If you don't want to root your device because of this possible issue, then that's your poragative. If you want to root because you don't care...that's your prerogative. At this point, what is a fact is that it is not commonly accepted nationwide as of this moment, therefore has little to no impact on the masses. Period. Move along ppl.
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I cant say i am one trying to push beliefs ( i full support rooting actually), but i do care to correct misinformation. When you say:
" what is a fact is that it is not commonly accepted nationwide as of this moment"
Are you trying to say that magnetic swipe credit cards are not commonly accepted? Because we have been talking about technology (bought from LoopPay: https://www.looppay.com/how-it-works/) which acts like that, without any special merchant reader, and requires no infrastructure change. So you must be saying that swiped cards are not accepted everywhere, which is not a fact at all...
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Hi All- This is my first time on the Nook forum, I'm usually snooping around the Epic forums because I have one. I'm posting this on the Nook Color General and Dev forums.
I just saw this earlier and began to wonder...
http://www.nook2android.com/purchase-nook2android-cards/
and
http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-19736_...-nook-into-full-android-tablet/?tag=cnetRiver
And I also noticed some people selling these cards on ebay.
Are these guys just profiting from the work of devs on this forum or is it a legit product that is put out by the original coders?
B/c if it's just some hack who is stealing the devs' work, the devs should seriously sue these guys and others like them.
At the least, the devs should send a cease and desist letter to these guys, to paypal, to amazon to not receive payment. If they're stealing your work, that's really f'd up.
These guys made a bootable Android sd card for Nook and sold it. You can make it yourself in 10-15 minutes. They are ripping off a devs work in my opinion. It's like selling oxygen to those who can't look for it themselves.
the fact that google market place is included with the sdcard I think the guy will probably get a visit from Google.
I do question whether these cards are violating Google's licensing terms, but I have no problem with what the guy is doing, at least not now that he's acknowledging that the software is not his own work and all he's providing is the service of setting it up. Added to the N2A front page yesterday:
We would like to be sure and give credit where credit is due. Nook2Android uses a modded version of Google Android called CM7 for the Nook Color. CM7 is created by a group of developers known as Cyanogenmod. Cyanogenmod is dedicated to providing the highest quality Android mods for the Android cell phone and tablet community.
Another group to acknowledge is XDA Developers. XDA is a huge group of Android developers creating new features and bug fixes for CM7 and other projects. Both groups offer their software and updates for no charge under the Android Open Source Project and the GNU Public License. These licenses allow Nook2Android to legally use, distribute, and support their software and updates.
Instructions on how to do this yourself are available free of charge on their websites. When you buy a Nook2Android card you are purchasing the highest quality Sandisk MicroSD card and all the services to get Android and the added features as perfect as you would expect. You are not purchasing the software as it is provided free of charge under the licenses mentioned above.
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In addition to selling the cards, he appears to be providing decent support after the sale, so I'd say it's a reasonable value.
Yeah yeah sure but selling something free? It doesn't make sense. They should actually pay Cyanogen for each SD sold.
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Yeah yeah sure but selling something free? It doesn't make sense. They should actually pay Cyanogen for each SD sold.
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Agreed!!! Cyanogen deserves royalties!
I just feel bad for the devs who put this all together. Some guy random pops up and is making a profit on something these guys spend hours to provide as a free benefit to this community.
If the devs involved don't mind, of course it's not a big deal.
However, if I were the devs, I would be pissed. (But then yet, I'm talentless and can't code Hello World into a vb text box... but that's another story.)
In addition to violating the terms of service that Google has out regarding the Android Market, these guys are also violating the intellectual property/copyright of the devs. Just because they're providing a service and some support, doesn't mean they're not improperly stepping on a few feet to do it.
Or maybe I'm just looking at this from too legal a perspective. Still, if I were the devs, I would be pissed and want it to stop.
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I do question whether these cards are violating Google's licensing terms, but I have no problem with what the guy is doing, at least not now that he's acknowledging that the software is not his own work and all he's providing is the service of setting it up. Added to the N2A front page yesterday:
In addition to selling the cards, he appears to be providing decent support after the sale, so I'd say it's a reasonable value.
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They only added that AFTER the outrage expressed on the Engadget (and other) articles that exposed them ripping off other dev's work. Sorry, but it is still a sham..
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They only added that AFTER the outrage expressed on the Engadget (and other) articles that exposed them ripping off other dev's work.
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Yeah, hence my statement:
Taosaur said:
at least not now that he's acknowledging that the software is not his own work and all he's providing is the service of setting it up. Added to the N2A front page yesterday:
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I would have been more impressed if he'd been more up-front from the start, too, but where exactly is the "sham" now that he's outright telling people they could do the same thing for free? As long as he's accepting the tech support headaches that come with setting up something like CM7 for someone else--and to all appearances, he is--more power to him.
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Yeah, hence my statement:
I would have been more impressed if he'd been more up-front from the start, too, but where exactly is the "sham" now that he's outright telling people they could do the same thing for free? As long as he's accepting the tech support headaches that come with setting up something like CM7 for someone else--and to all appearances, he is--more power to him.
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The sham is that they only had the nerve to admit to it they the community called em out on it. They should have been open from the start (or better yet, never tried profiteering at all...)...
If they can do it, why can't we?
If everyone pulled together and pushed our own sd cards for the price of the card value, could possibly force them to drop their ripoff all together......
I'm glad they have given credit, but its still BS. These sites pushing this info should be pushing instructions on how to get involved to have more of an appreciation of whats been done.
I think what makes this worse than the ebay and craigslist guys is that engadget and cnet and the fact hes on Amazon have given this guy legitimacy when he deserves none.
rabblerabblerabble!
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LMAO! Wheres my torch?!
I posted this on the dev forum too. I shouldn't have done that. Now I have two threads going.
hoban_eris made the following comment there:
Credit is given...
http://www.nook2android.com/
"We would like to be sure and give credit where credit is due. Nook2Android uses a modded version of Google Android called CM7 for the Nook Color. CM7 is created by a group of developers known as Cyanogenmod. Cyanogenmod is dedicated to providing the highest quality Android mods for the Android cell phone and tablet community.
Another group to acknowledge is XDA Developers. XDA is a huge group of Android developers creating new features and bug fixes for CM7 and other projects. Both groups offer their software and updates for no charge under the Android Open Source Project and the GNU Public License. These licenses allow Nook2Android to legally use, distribute, and support their software and updates.
Instructions on how to do this yourself are available free of charge on their websites. When you buy a Nook2Android card you are purchasing the highest quality Sandisk MicroSD card and all the services to get Android and the added features as perfect as you would expect. You are not purchasing the software as it is provided free of charge under the licenses mentioned above."
If people want to pay someone to do the work for them, that's fine by me...they are paying for a service.
and my response was:
Again- I'm only bringing this up because I wasn't sure if this seller is being shady or what... I am not a developer and it is of course no skin off my back. A part of me just felt bad that there was the possibility of someone profiting off the work of devs who were providing us with this service.
From a licensing standpoint, your point about GPL is actually what got me concerned. If the creator software offers it for free under the GPL, a 3rd party CANNOT then take it and turn it into a paid product. Of course it all depends on the specific licensing terms, but just because it's free under the GPL doesn't mean its free for a 3rd party to come and exploit. That actually goes against what the entire GPL, open software, CC, etc movements are all about. And just because it's bundled with an SD card, doesn't mean you're paying for the SD solely.
But again- if the devs have no issues with it, it's fine.
My post was more a question about whether or the original coders where behind this or whether it was someone who came along and is sponging off the work of good people.
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If everyone pulled together and pushed our own sd cards for the price of the card value, could possibly force them to drop their ripoff all together......
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I'm interested in this but has no idea how to make our own SD card like Nook2Android!
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From a licensing standpoint, your point about GPL is actually what got me concerned. If the creator software offers it for free under the GPL, a 3rd party CANNOT then take it and turn it into a paid product. Of course it all depends on the specific licensing terms, but just because it's free under the GPL doesn't mean its free for a 3rd party to come and exploit. That actually goes against what the entire GPL, open software, CC, etc movements are all about. And just because it's bundled with an SD card, doesn't mean you're paying for the SD solely.
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He's not selling a product, and really never was even when he wasn't making the facts clear. Now, however, it's spelled out explicitly in the text you quoted:
You are not purchasing the software as it is provided free of charge under the licenses mentioned above.
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He's providing third-party installation and technical support, which is hardly unheard-of with software, free or otherwise. If the rumors of his being a Geek Squad member are true, it's exactly the same thing he does at his day job.
Guys, I know this may be a sore spot for some of you, think about it. If you have ever looked at or run ubuntu software, you must have seen disks for sale with the software on them. Sure, you can download the software free and set it up yourself but what this guy is doing is providing a service, not providing software. He takes upon himself, tech support responsibilities and support of the product he is selling. I have worked in tech support for computer shops and have provided instillation of software for a fee. I did not write the software nor did I provide any software of my own. What I did provide was a service and those people who either cannot or will not do this themselves will pay someone else for their time and knowledge. This is basic economics. His disclaimer and recoginition of the devs who work so hard to provide this software releases him of legal issues. Read the GPL and check out AOSP before preparing the stake to roast this guy on. Just sayin.....
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Guys, I know this may be a sore spot for some of you, think about it. If you have ever looked at or run ubuntu software, you must have seen disks for sale with the software on them. Sure, you can download the software free and set it up yourself but what this guy is doing is providing a service, not providing software. He takes upon himself, tech support responsibilities and support of the product he is selling. I have worked in tech support for computer shops and have provided instillation of software for a fee. I did not write the software nor did I provide any software of my own. What I did provide was a service and those people who either cannot or will not do this themselves will pay someone else for their time and knowledge. This is basic economics. His disclaimer and recoginition of the devs who work so hard to provide this software releases him of legal issues. Read the GPL and check out AOSP before preparing the stake to roast this guy on. Just sayin.....
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According to what Google has to say about this is that the core google apps and the android market are closed source and require licensing.
From the android site,
"Once you've built a compatible device, you may wish to include Android Market to provide your users access to the third-party app ecosystem. Unfortunately, for a variety of legal and business reasons, we aren't able to automatically license Android Market to all compatible devices. To inquire about access about Android Market, you can contact us."
Augen Electronics found out this the hard way and took heat from the media and Google when they release a tablet that included the android market without the ok from Google.
It is interesting though to see where this leaves our Nook tablets as BN doesn't technically have a license to the Android Market. Yes they have their own market but it does not include the "closed source" items such as core google apps and the actual android market. Of course they aren't providing the Android Market so don't need that license now do they.
All seems so complicated though, like how does this licensing apply to say......Nook2Android when they provide sd cards with the Android Market?
But then again it doesn't stop us from having it
Isn't there an alternative?
Even if Google made them pull GAPPS, all that would be needed is a link/scrip that would allow new users to install the Amazon App Market (along with any instructions necessary).
That should protect them from the lawyers, and I think it's a good incentive for Google not to get involved. I don't think they would like a bunch of devices that are Amazon App Market only.
Jailbreaking/rooting is being pushed to illegality again! Fight it!
https://www.eff.org/pages/jailbreaking-not-crime-tell-copyright-office-free-your-devices
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Apple is being stupid again, they'll never grow up
let them do it, they will eventually lose their customer base if they keep this up
You mean they can sue me for rooting/jailbreaking the headset I paid $500 for? Its my headset and I do whatever I want to with it, whether that means voiding the warranty or not thats my issue.
Honestly I don't see this going far, its a far fetched idea
I think rooting isn't illegal and was never illegal, because android is open source
It would be funny terrible if jailbreaking was made illegal. Knowing Apple, they'd block all jailbroken devices, like when people were using them in the UK without an O2 contract.
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It would be funny terrible if jailbreaking was made illegal. Knowing Apple, they'd block all jailbroken devices, like when people were using them in the UK without an O2 contract.
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i'm looking forward to see that day happens
and millions of angry mobs burns down the apple stores across worlds
muahahahahahaha!!!!
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i'm looking forward to see that day happens
and millions of angry mobs burns down the apple stores across worlds
muahahahahahaha!!!!
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Camping outside the petrol station, waiting for petrol to burn down the apple store
jailbreaking isn't rooting, jailbreaking is an iOS process. If it got deemed illegal it would be said but really it wouldn't stop anything. There would be a work around.
Rooting is an Android process and Google really couldn't care less what you do with your device. Most OEM's even release tools to make devices easy to hack
It's a shame so many people are still in the dark about jailbreaking.
Almost everyone I know with an iOS device either doesn't know or doesn't care about the benefits.
Why would this matter to our android users.
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Why would this matter to our android users.
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Well if "jailbreaking" is illegal, then that essentially opens up the flood gattes for litigation agains people like you or I who root or "jailbreak" their own property. Kinda like the GeoHot case.
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jailbreaking isn't rooting, jailbreaking is an iOS process.
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I gotta disagree. Jailbreaking is pretty much the iOS equivalent of rooting. Once jailbroken, you have access to system files allowing you to overclock via changing plists, sim unlock, as well as custom ROM's (though iOS tends to be limited in "custom" ROM's due to closed source).
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Why would this matter to our android users.
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legally it wont matter to Android
AOSP = open by default
iOS = closed as in lockdown and Apples wants to keep it that way
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legally it wont matter to Android
AOSP = open by default
iOS = closed as in lockdown and Apples wants to keep it that way
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It would matter to much more than just Android. Each new piece of stupid legislation passed is just an opening for the next.
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It would matter to much more than just Android. Each new piece of stupid legislation passed is just an opening for the next.
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Exactly, this passes. Doesn't affect us immediately. But look to the future...oh shirt they got all the jailbreakers. Now what? Logically? Root users and everyone else.
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Why would this matter to our android users.
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Because no matter if it's Android or iOS devices we are here to support the customization of our devices. You can really learn from both sides of the software.
If jailbreaking gets shut down then we've lost a part of development as a whole. We don't need to lose any part in an already small crowd.
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Exactly, this passes. Doesn't affect us immediately. But look to the future...oh shirt they got all the jailbreakers. Now what? Logically? Root users and everyone else.
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that's what i mean
as in it will only matter if say Samsung, or HTC, or Sony, Huawei, LG, or any of the independent device manufactures decides to make a fool of themselves and try to go that route.
which even HTC already learned the hard lesson and now is following trait with Samsung to open up everything
Google themselves can not make that move, unless they make Android close source, if and when that day happens
we'll probably have moved to the next Open Source OS
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Why would this matter to our android users.
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Even if Android itself is open source the OEMs may try to say unlocking your bootloader is similar to jail breaking. Plus all of the WP7 and soon to be Windows 8 devices would probably fall under the same category as apple products.
For the most part I don't think Android device manufacturers really care what you do with your device, think about it, rooting your device voids your warranty that like a get out of jail free card for them...
"Your screen failed? OK let's fix that for you for free under warra... oh wait... i see you rooted this device. That voids your warranty so now it's $200 of gtfo."
Apple only cares about Jailbreaking for two reasons:
1. They feel they should have complete control over what you do with your device, how you use your device, how your device look and behaves, and if the device doesn't or can't do something, its not a feature you wanted anyway.
2. Jailbreaking allows you to install apps from unofficial sources and thus allows you to pirate apps, or use apps that Apple would not put in the AppStore because you didn't really want it anyway so they did you the favor of excluding it.
The difference here is Apple controls the ENTIRE process from the top down. With Android Google controls the OS and the manufacture controls the hardware. Google could care less how you use your device or what you use it for, and you can install apps from unofficial sources without rooting the device.
Good, iOS is an optimized and well built software meant to be utilized as they see fit. Android rooting should be supported, as google gives you a broken product and tells you to fix it. Microsoft and Apple are software companies, they built proper software for their devices.
I stood behind Samsung when Apple bringing unjust charges on against them. I thought Samsung was the defender of Android and the truth but I was WRONG.
Recently, I learned that Samsung promised to take a blogger to the IFA as an independent reporter. This means that the blogger could basically cover whatever he wanted. However, Samsung LIED to him. He was taken to the IFA but he was only allowed to demonstrate Samsung products to the press. He was not actually able to review any products and instead was treated as a Samsung employee.
They even told him that if he doesn't do what he is told then Samsung will leave him in this foreign country. EVIL!!!
Don't believe me? Take a look at the source:
Samsung is Evil
Scratch that. It's definitely true, however,
Behavior such as Samsung’s is not uncommon in the world of tech coverage. It’s perhaps considered more normal in some parts of the world, but even we here at TNW are regularly offered to have our travel and accommodations covered in hopes that we’ll write about a specific brand during our overall coverage of an event.
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And that's from the site the blogger is from.
Article here.
Nothing true about that noy a single facts pretty sure it was written by some isheep in hopes that it would make appke look less of a monster.
Use some common sense next time please though i suspect we both knew this was bs lol dumb isheep.
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That article is posted by you. Nobody is going to believe you until you provide a link to a reputable source.
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Since your source is an article written by somebody called Super2cool (sounds familiar?) I'm gonna just call this trolling.
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Its not trolling.. its posted all over the web.
Don't be in blind trust of a corporation... They are not humans.
Take a look here if you don't believe me:
http://thenextweb.com/insider/2012/...oggers-halfway-around-world-threatened-leave/
Yeah, 'slave labor'; I recall an article about all those slaves being flown across the world, put up in a hotel, all expenses paid and such. So the guy couldn't have covered IFA on his own in his free time? [sarcasm]What a horrible life [/sarcasm]
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Yeah, 'slave labor'; I recall an article about all those slaves being flown across the world, put up in a hotel, all expenses paid and such. So the guy couldn't have covered IFA on his own in his free time? [sarcasm]What a horrible life [/sarcasm]
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Ok I guess did exaggerate a bit!
However, it is still unacceptable for Samsung to lie to him and then threaten him to leave him in Berlin where the IFA was hosted.
Sounds more like the Blogger was trying to catch a free round trip to IFA on Samsung's dime without offering anything to them in return. I am waiting for Samsung to chime in (they will) and hear both sides. Then I'm waiting for the inevitable leak of emails or call records or whatever. Then once I know the actual story I will have an opinion.
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Sounds more like the Blogger was trying to catch a free round trip to IFA on Samsung's dime without offering anything to them in return. I am waiting for Samsung to chime in (they will) and hear both sides. Then I'm waiting for the inevitable leak of emails or call records or whatever. Then once I know the actual story I will have an opinion.
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It seemed too good to be true.. but still Samsung should have been more clear of what they expected from the blogger.
This is what happens when you agree with the terms and conditions and choose to ignore them after you've signed. Don't expect Samsung to hold their word when you don't.
(I'm assuming there were some papers that needed to be signed {that you didn't read}. Samsung is after all a multi billion dollar corporation)
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This is what happens when you agree with the terms and conditions and choose to ignore them after you've signed. Don't expect Samsung to hold their word when you don't.
(I'm assuming there were some papers that needed to be signed {that you didn't read}. Samsung is after all a multi billion dollar corporation)
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Yeeah.. they were some papers to sign and this all probaly legal when looking at the papers.
However, it still unethical when you are knowingly trying to scam a person (sort of a scam.. I guess? ..don't know exactly what to call it)
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Yeeah.. they were some papers to sign and this all probaly legal when looking at the papers.
However, it still unethical when you are knowingly trying to scam a person (sort of a scam.. I guess? ..don't know exactly what to call it)
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What is unethical about somebody paying for your trip and lodging and expecting something in return? Samsung has no obligation to pay for bloggers to travel to big events.
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What is unethical about somebody paying for your trip and lodging and expecting something in return? Samsung has no obligation to pay for bloggers to travel to big events.
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Well.. its cause its not what he was expecting. He did not get to review the IFA. He was just showing Samsung products to the press... under a threat.
What I am asking is that...
Is it wrong to expect Samsung to tell him straight up.."we want you to show off our products..not review the IFA"?
Instead..Samsung lied to him.
I don't see anything unreasonable about Samsung saying
You can either be a part of this and wear the uniform, or you’ll have to get your own tickets back home and handle your hotel stay from the moment this call ends
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It's not nice, but according to the article it's a pretty common practice for Handset makers to fly bloggers to events to cover their devices. Why would Samsung spend their money to help other gadgets get publicity?
I wouldn't waste a penny providing advertisements for my COMPETITORS.
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I don't see anything unreasonable about Samsung saying .
It's not nice, but according to the article it's a pretty common practice for Handset makers to fly bloggers to events to cover their devices. Why would Samsung spend their money to help other gadgets get publicity?
I wouldn't waste a penny providing advertisements for my COMPETITORS.
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He actually wasn't able to review what happened that day..
“None of this should leave Berlin. Or Reach India”
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He was taken to the IFA but he was only allowed to demonstrate Samsung products to the press. He was not actually able to review any products and instead was treated as a Samsung employee.
EVIL!!!
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Someone has to evil, dont they? not everyone can be as honest and goody-goody like apple, now.. You gotta be the bad boy sometimes, take one for the customers..
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Someone has to evil, dont they? not everyone can be as honest and goody-goody like apple, now.. You gotta be the bad boy sometimes, take one for the customers..
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lol @ Apple is very honest
How does Samsung lying help customers?
I am sorry but you guys need to realize what Samsung did was evil and they should be punished (I doubt this will happen)
Why would Samsung even fly bloggers for free? They're a company, a business. Of course it will benefit them, they will make it benefit them in some ways even if it is a little unethical. So in this way, all mobile phone manufacturers are evil? :/
I'm not sure what you thought it would be like. Vacation with free alcohol and prostitutes? No, you were brought in to do a job, and you failed big time. I would fire you on the spot.
Let's break it down:
- Samsung offers you a job as a promoter
- You accept it
- They cover the hotel and travel costs, which is a lot of money
- You refuse to do the job
- You want them to cover the flight home, which is a lot of money
I'm not sure you know what a promoter is or does. A promoter promotes a company's products. NOT reviewing and promoting the competitors' products. Also, Samsung took its time to hire you and on top of that spend money on you. Then you quit. You're the jerk here, not Samsung.
Not sure what part of Narnia you're from, but this is the real world. Welcome.
Geohot has achieved root for the at&t galaxy s5 but according to him, he is not releasing the method. You can go to the verizon forums to check it out and check out the proof. Everyone needs to beg him for release.
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Geohot has achieved root for the at&t galaxy s5 but according to him, he is not releasing the method. You can go to the verizon forums to check it out and check out the proof. Everyone needs to beg him for release.
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and begging someone for a release will surely get geo to release something lol. wouldnt it be better to link to the exploit used and post link to thread youre referencing?
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If there's a dev capable and willing to work on this I swear I'll turn this phone off for a month just in case there's a ninja update. Lol
Also, my pledge is still active js. Only $100 but still.
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If there's a dev capable and willing to work on this I swear I'll turn this phone off for a month just in case there's a ninja update. Lol
Also, my pledge is still active js. Only $100 but still.
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Dunno....sounds kinda flaky, to claim root but not post proof/method....
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2780319&page=4
This guy is legit whether or not he posts root or not. He is known all over the community as being one of the best hackers there is. He is the one who cane up with the jailbreak for the ps3. He got scared off by sony and now is afraid to release anything but you can count on what he says because he wouldnt ruin his reputation in the community.
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This guy is legit whether or not he posts root or not. He is known all over the community as being one of the best hackers there is. He is the one who cane up with the jailbreak for the ps3. He got scared off by sony and now is afraid to release anything but you can count on what he says because he wouldnt ruin his reputation in the community.
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Not discounting geohot, he is well known but why ask for testers if he is never going to release and if he does prove root (other than with a copy paste text message) in order to obtain the bounty he NEEDS to post. I have had cease and desist orders by mfgs before and it has not stopped me from posting anything.
Personally I think it's kind of lame to claim you have root for the device but deny the community access to the method.
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Not discounting geohot, he is well known but why ask for testers if he is never going to release and if he does prove root (other than with a copy paste text message) in order to obtain the bounty he NEEDS to post. I have had cease and desist orders by mfgs before and it has not stopped me from posting anything.
Personally I think it's kind of lame to claim you have root for the device but deny the community access to the method.
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I understand why he is fearful of releasing this. Being sued sucks. That being said i personally don't think he has anything to fear. i believe android is an open source software. As far as i understand you should be able to develop the software to fit the needs of the people you are trying to serve. He may just need to remember that. AT&T or Samsung do not have ownership of android.
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In for process to be released.
I'm pretty sure the reason he posted that he achieved root but not releasing it, is because he knows Samsung looks at this forum, and now he is waiting for Samsung/AT&T/Verizon to contact him with an offer ($$$$) to keep him quiet and help them patch the vulnerability.
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I know they say "A picture is worth a thousand words." but in this case I'm going to remain extremely skeptical.
the pic doesn't prove that the method is reproducible.
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Not discounting geohot, he is well known but why ask for testers if he is never going to release and if he does prove root (other than with a copy paste text message) in order to obtain the bounty he NEEDS to post. I have had cease and desist orders by mfgs before and it has not stopped me from posting anything.
Personally I think it's kind of lame to claim you have root for the device but deny the community access to the method.
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i have a feeling that, legally speaking, you may get into more trouble by taking $ for releasing an exploit than if you just released it as free public knowledge. and i have no idea why it would be illegal im just saying considering his past it's probably wise to be extra cautious. the bounty probably just isn't worth it to him.
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I know they say "A picture is worth a thousand words." but in this case I'm going to remain extremely skeptical.
the pic doesn't prove that the method is reproducible.
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Its legit, just that the vulnerability used may prove to be quite difficult for most devs to exploit. Here's hoping some brilliant mind out there picks it up and actually is able to release something.
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Its legit, just that the vulnerability used may prove to be quite difficult for most devs to exploit. Here's hoping some brilliant mind out there picks it up and actually is able to release something.
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No denying that the vulnerability is ligit, I have actually read thru the vuln report so I am aware it is valid, the fact is that there is no proff that it can be replicated.
in the scheme of things there is probably several dozen exploits that could accomplish the exact same thing but are not reproduceable with any kind of regularity.
it it truly took him four days just to get the root on his phone that is an exploit that would be considered not reproduceable.
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No denying that the vulnerability is ligit, I have actually read thru the vuln report so I am aware it is valid, the fact is that there is no proff that it can be replicated.
in the scheme of things there is probably several dozen exploits that could accomplish the exact same thing but are not reproduceable with any kind of regularity.
it it truly took him four days just to get the root on his phone that is an exploit that would be considered not reproduceable.
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Definition of reproducible
1. To produce a counterpart, image, or copy of.
3. To produce again or anew; re-create.
SOURCE: www.thefreedictionary.com
I don't know about you, but 4 days would be worth it for me. It is reproducible if it can be done again, regardless of the time. I've waited since April to get root, and you think 4 days out of those two months is going to stop me from rooting it if I got the chance? Besides, it probably took him 4 days to get his act together to think it through, plan it, then make a package to carry it out. It takes you probably months, if not years, to make a video game entirely, but that doesn't mean it takes the same amount of time to get it set up and start playing it on your system. The devs work on the back ends, we get the package and use it on the front end. Finding root for this device wasn't easy for George, I would think. But he worked on finding the method, exploiting it, then used his knowledge to take control of the device and root it in one go. Take time to set up the game plan, act it all out at once. He doesn't have to tell how he did it, but he gave his vulnerability and to any of us I don't think time matters anymore.
It only matters about catching our chance to root while we still have it.
EDIT : Sorry, I reread that and it seems a little ill-mannered, but no offense intended.
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Definition of reproducible
1. To produce a counterpart, image, or copy of.
3. To produce again or anew; re-create.
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I don't know about you, but 4 days would be worth it for me. It is reproducible if it can be done again, regardless of the time. I've waited since April to get root, and you think 4 days out of those two months is going to stop me from rooting it if I got the chance? Besides, it probably took him 4 days to get his act together to think it through, plan it, then make a package to carry it out. It takes you probably months, if not years, to make a video game entirely, but that doesn't mean it takes the same amount of time to get it set up and start playing it on your system. The devs work on the back ends, we get the package and use it on the front end. Finding root for this device wasn't easy for George, I would think. But he worked on finding the method, exploiting it, then used his knowledge to take control of the device and root it in one go. Take time to set up the game plan, act it all out at once. He doesn't have to tell how he did it, but he gave his vulnerability and to any of us I don't think time matters anymore.
It only matters about catching our chance to root while we still have it.
EDIT : Sorry, I reread that and it seems a little ill-mannered, but no offense intended.
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LOL, no offense taken, I am probably the worlds worst skeptic I guess my idea of reproduceable is readily or easily and I don't think four days qualifies as either.
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LOL, no offense taken, I am probably the worlds worst skeptic I guess my idea of reproduceable is readily or easily and I don't think four days qualifies as either.
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That's all fine, do you own an S5? If so, you'd consider 4 days nothing compared to how long we really had to wait xD
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That's all fine, do you own an S5? If so, you'd consider 4 days nothing compared to how long we really had to wait xD
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yes i own a S5 and in the grand scheme of hacking and providing useable methods to members of the community I DO consider 4 days to be to excessive
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yes i own a S5 and in the grand scheme of hacking and providing useable methods to members of the community I DO consider 4 days to be to excessive
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4 days of hell trying to root, years to come without worrying about it again
Note 3 guys have been waiting longer.
I'm going to simply present a few facts and see if I am the only one reaching the same conclusion.
1. On 14 April 2016 I ordered the first of 2 "Live Cases" for the Nexus 6P, and the order was sent to Google's factory.
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2. On 16 April 2016 I received an alert from my bank (which never happens) asking me to review suspicious transactions:
These were the transactions, all in the city of "Shenzhen", China, including a hotel stay costing me $1,892:
Plotting the locations on a map shows where the fraudster traveled between:
3. On 18 April 2016 I received a tracking update from Google revealing the order had shipped from "Shenzhen", China. In addition, the tracking website displayed a map of the pick-up location (presumably the Google factory). Note the proximity of the pick-up pushpin to the fraudulent purchases above:
Obviously setting up my new card everywhere has been hugely inconvenient, not to mention nearly being defrauded by some $2000.
I do not believe Google share the credit card info with the factory. But it is not impossible that there may be some vulnerability in the order system whereby a factory order processing worker may have been able to access the info. Or the info may have unintentionally been included on a docket, etc. Plenty of possibilities, including coincidence.
I have notified the Google Store team and await their response. I will update this thread if anything of substance comes back from them.
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I'm going to simply present a few facts and see if I am the only one reaching the same conclusion.
1. On 14 April 2016 I ordered the first of 2 "Live Cases" for the Nexus 6P, and the order was sent to Google's factory.
2. On 16 April 2016 I received an alert from my bank (which never happens) asking me to review suspicious transactions:
These were the transactions, all in the city of "Shenzhen", China, including a hotel stay costing me $1,892:
Plotting the locations on a map shows where the fraudster traveled between:
3. On 18 April 2016 I received a tracking update from Google revealing the order had shipped from "Shenzhen", China. In addition, the tracking website displayed a map of the pick-up location (presumably the Google factory). Note the proximity of the pick-up pushpin to the fraudulent purchases above:
Obviously setting up my new card everywhere has been hugely inconvenient, not to mention nearly being defrauded by some $2000.
I do not believe Google share the credit card info with the factory. But it is not impossible that there may be some vulnerability in the order system whereby a factory order processing worker may have been able to access the info. Or the info may have unintentionally been included on a docket, etc. Plenty of possibilities, including coincidence.
I have notified the Google Store team and await their response. I will update this thread if anything of substance comes back from them.
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Or, or maybe just maybe your WiFi connection wasn't protected. Or, someone stole your card number whilst shopping some places else and this was just a major coincidence...
We may never know!
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Or, or maybe just maybe your WiFi connection wasn't protected. Or, someone stole your card number whilst shopping some places else and this was just a major coincidence...
We may never know!
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I highly doubt that the OP could be that stupid enough to do those things above but I would wanna know how this goes on
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I highly doubt that the OP could be that stupid enough to do those things above but I would wanna know how this goes on
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OP will for sure deliver on a resolution mate...let's wait!!:highfive:
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Or, or maybe just maybe your WiFi connection wasn't protected. Or, someone stole your card number whilst shopping some places else and this was just a major coincidence...
We may never know!
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I never purchase on unsecured connections.
No reply from the Google Store team yet, oddly enough. Not even acknowledgment that they're looking into it.
Cheers!
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OP will for sure deliver on a resolution mate...let's wait!!:highfive:
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Not sure if trolling me or actually serious. You're slacking in terms of trolling.
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First response from Google which I've challenged:
I am really sorry about this, but we couldn't detect any unauthorized charges from our end. I would request you to get in touch with your bank immediately or the financial institution the card is associated with and check the status. It would be great if they could help you with a transaction ID for the specific charges and provide more information regarding the same.
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Cheers!
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First response from Google which I've challenged:
Cheers!
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Seems like you been scanned or getting your credit card info stolen.
This can be due to
1. Open WiFi
2. Bad applications installed.
3. Really bad luck?
4. Hijacked session?
Sorry to hear that too, we should wait and see if someone has the same issues.
Maybe the site was hijacked? Idk
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One major question.
Why would Google send your credit card information to a manufacturer? That makes no sense. You pay Google, Google pays the manufacturer some of the money, you get your case made. The manufacturer doesn't get the whole $35, Google gets it, then pays a rate per order probably at the end of the month/quarter, never should the factory see your credit card number.
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One major question.
Why would Google send your credit card information to a manufacturer? That makes no sense. You pay Google, Google pays the manufacturer some of the money, you get your case made. The manufacturer doesn't get the whole $35, Google gets it, then pays a rate per order probably at the end of the month/quarter, never should the factory see your credit card number.
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Yes I covered that in my original post.
Cheers!
Well we do know one thing.. Someone had a good time for almost 2gs at a hotel stay.
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Yes I covered that in my original post.
Cheers!
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You did, with one sentence. I'm not sure why it would be on a docket slip, since the CC info would not be useful, that would be a major screw up, one that would cost a few people their jobs. Also it could be a vulnerability in the order processing, but same with any order you placed online, so it would not necessarily be from ordering at Google. It just seems highly unlikely that your card would be stolen by Google or leaked by Google, much more likely it was a coincidence.
I once had my credit card info stolen, was used to by pizza in Richmond VA which is on the other side of the US. I assumed an ATM skimmer or some other technique was used, for my ~$60 back and had to input my new info for s month or so when I paid bills. I didn't assume some company with a tie to Richmond stole it.
Also, almost everything you buy is manufactured in shenzen China.
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Thanks for your input guys.
Latest update:
We are looking into the case for a better resolution regarding the issue.
I've escalated the case to our concern team. We would get back to you within 72 hours. Rest assured, I'm sure your issue will be fixed.
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Exciting times! They're going to 'fix my issue'. Time travel perhaps.
I'll keep you posted.
Edit: They don't get back to me in 72 hours, but 6 days.
Cheers!
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Thanks for your input guys.
Latest update:
Exciting times! They're going to 'fix my issue'. Time travel perhaps.
I'll keep you posted.
Cheers!
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Yeah let's hope they get your money back
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6 days after they promised a reply in 3 days, a reply from someone who can barely speak English:
We feel sorry for the inconvenience caused, I certainly understand the issue and the situation.
It is really bad this to happen, I truely feel back about this.
To help you with this further, I've escalated this issue to concern team,
I want you to know that the team is deeply investigating on this and will help you accordingly,
Currently I'm waiting for the update from the team, once I get the reply from the team I'll be happy to convey the message to you.
Till then I'd keep this case open in escalated catefory.
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Nice to see Google taking this so seriously. [emoji15]
Cheers!
I'm kinda disappointed with Googles responses so far. I'll be ordering a Nexus 6p from them coming June and I am having second thoughts because if something like this happens, my dad will never let me buy anything off from Google Store.
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Thank you for reporting the unauthorized charges on your credit card, and for providing the location where the charges were incurred. You are correct that Google does not share full payment info with merchants so this incident is unusual. We take this type of feedback very seriously and our team is investigating your case.
We appreciate your patience and understanding. Please let me know if you have any other questions.
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Cheers!
Final response from Google:
Thank you for your patience while we looked into this issue.
A few different teams at Google have independently investigated the incident, and have verified that there has been no information security leak of payments credentials to the manufacturer through the purchase of your Live Case. Though very odd that this happened in the same province as where the phone was manufactured, we are not able to find a link with Google.
Thank you again for taking the time to report this issue.
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Cheers!
Did you made the order on public place or your home?
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Did you made the order on public place or your home?
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Home.
Cheers!