http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2015/04/in-depth-with-the-snapdragon-810s-heat-problems/
This articles above shows that you don't always get what you paid for when you buy the newest bleeding edge tech. It's about the the thermal throttling in the Snapdragon 800 series SoC's. The good ones the bad ones and it def hows a pattern of things being worse off during the beginning of a number in the in the "x" placement ----> 8x0.
Seems like big buyers are being experimented with a bit, tisk, tisk.
Now let's discuss
I would like to see this test redone with all SoCs undervolted as far as they will go.
I just want to add 2 things to this discussion:
1) Every mobile device will throttle at some point. This is the only way the SoC is able to manage its temperatures in a device that has zero active cooling. Either the user stops using the phone and it cools down or they continue using it and it will throttle.
2) It is the phone manufacturer's responsibility to design a phone and chassis that can support the thermal requirements of the SoC they have chosen for their device. If a phone over heats or the SoC is so throttled that it can never reach it's maximum clock speed (such as the Snapdragon 810 in the HTC M9) then the phone was designed poorly (based on the required specifications) and they should have chosen a lower power SoC.
I can't understand what manufacturers are looking for when they pack such CPUs in their flagship phones: the speed of a SD 801 is still cutting edge, and it has been the only chip capable of combining acceptable power consumption with top performance lately.
I'm a N5 owner, and really can't complain about speed, but that is just because CPU-intensive tasks, like rendering a webpage or opening an app, often last for just a few seconds, during which the phone doesn't heat up enough for thermal throttling to intervene. I rarely play games with my phone.
If Qualcomm focussed on reducing power consumption in the last couple of years, instead of searching for overly high performances, now we'd probably have phones with the SD 800's speed, but lasting two days, and with consistent performances during every kind of usage.
Damn it Qua!comm instead of jamming reference cores in to chips get cracking optimizing drivers to get more performance out of existing products. The Adreno driver overhead is embrassing.
pgptheoriginal said:
I can't understand what manufacturers are looking for when they pack such CPUs in their flagship phones: the speed of a SD 801 is still cutting edge, and it has been the only chip capable of combining acceptable power consumption with top performance lately.
I'm a N5 owner, and really can't complain about speed, but that is just because CPU-intensive tasks, like rendering a webpage or opening an app, often last for just a few seconds, during which the phone doesn't heat up enough for thermal throttling to intervene. I rarely play games with my phone.
If Qualcomm focussed on reducing power consumption in the last couple of years, instead of searching for overly high performances, now we'd probably have phones with the SD 800's speed, but lasting two days, and with consistent performances during every kind of usage.
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The Exynos 7420 delivers better performance, better thermal management and better efficiency.
thermal throttle, whats that?? ive disabled thermal throttle on every nexus thats ever had it, since the n4 that's the n4, n5, and now n6. but the n6 is the best at not getting hot. as i cant get it over 82C ever.
The problem is and it applies to terrible battery life is thin phones. We just do not need skinny phones. It's like women. We have been brainwashed into thinking thin phones and thin women are both sexy. I dislike women with a toastrack ribcage and would love my nexus 5 to be twice as thick. No throttling and huge battery life...
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The Exynos 7420 delivers better performance, better thermal management and better efficiency.
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Only because its on 14nm, if it would be built on 20nm it would throttle down just like the sd810. This isn't so much qualcomm's fault as it is arm's fault, the a53/a57 cores are simply too power hungry, the sd805 with a7/a15 cores barely gets throttled at 20nm.
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The problem is and it applies to terrible battery life is thin phones. We just do not need skinny phones. It's like women. We have been brainwashed into thinking thin phones and thin women are both sexy. I dislike women with a toastrack ribcage and would love my nexus 5 to be twice as thick. No throttling and huge battery life...
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I agree with the battery part... As for women I like a nice toned women.
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Only because its on 14nm, if it would be built on 20nm it would throttle down just like the sd810. This isn't so much qualcomm's fault as it is arm's fault, the a53/a57 cores are simply too power hungry, the sd805 with a7/a15 cores barely gets throttled at 20nm.
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your post conflicts by itself lol.
Also the 805 is a krait 400(or 500 can´t remember) architeture based on the a50 (the 800/801 are a15, and the 400 is based on the a7 with some variants based on the a9). Basicly the 805 runs a proprietary cpu architeture made after the a50 one, with the armv8 instruction set.
However the 810 runs the a51/53 instruction set, with no modifications, straight from ARM.and that´s something qualcomm didnt do for a long time,and as we can see the 810 WAS rushed to the market(the whole 64bit race)
Now for the thread, talking about the 800 series (since its what we have),it seems to have a good performance-heat ratio,however we feel it on our nexus due to poor thermal design, in the case of the n4/n5 the shield used to spread the heat don´t even touch the SOC lmao.
Talking qualcomm in general, i cant understand why they still have fails, having more than 15years of experience (10+ being with their own custom cores) i would expect them to not have these issues, but they still do.Also not going back much to the past, see the snap S4 gen 1 series(i.e the krait 200 variants, USA´S S3, Nexus 4 and such), they also have hw bugs(for instance, only the first core can go to fully deep sleep), thats something i would expect for a new player, not one with 15 years of experience(to make things even worse, qualcomm has been on the ARM market pretty much since the ARM arch/instruction set came out)
Also to OP, the 615,610,410,210 are all good socs, so the YXY pattern isn´t something here
However i must remember you guys, the one to blame here after all IS qualcomm, we dont have fully documentations and technical details or for most of you(including me) fully understanding of how a cpu is made / works but the a51 / 53 cores itself are fine, one player to see its the exynos 7220 on the s6, it runs a MALI gpu(which is from ARM,) and runs a53/51 architeture with a few modifications(not to the arch itself, but to the chip, make more thermal efficient, support samsung own branded chips, modems ,etc) and it runs better than the 810.
Also what made the 810 look worse is the drivers, adreno drivers sucks (sorry for the word, but this is more of a rant), my 4 year old MALI 400MP gpu haves about the same performance as my 2013´s adreno 330 (s3 exynos 4420 + mali 400mp vs nexus 5 snap 800 + adreno 330)
@opssemnik No way your mali 400MP is faster than an andreno 330
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@opssemnik No way your mali 400MP is faster than an andreno 330
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It really isnt in raw power or optmized games(gta sa and the newest NFS)but on the rest(even gta vice city) my s3 can keep up, and in fact due to better thermal design it can outstand the n5 after some time of playing
Nothing wrong with toned. But this craze of super thin is crazy. As for batteries if some one had come out with a replacement back with a huge battery inthat sloped to the camera that clipped in to replace the other I'd of been in heaven. My Nexus is in a heavy Spiegen case and I'm always amazed how skinny it is when I take it out to clean. I prefer it in the case. Feels better built
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Was curious what sound chip this phone uses? And if there is any differences between regional like the galaxy s3?
I'm tempted to get Galaxy S4 just because it has better specs but at the same time, if the processor of the S4 isn't that big of a difference to this snapdragon 600, I might as well get One.
I own the S3 and the snapdragon on this phone is pretty bad, lags often happen, slow too and not to mention some games don't run well either unless they are simple games such as temple run. However games such as real racing, MC 4, NOVA 3, etc often lag or graphics are not that great.
What is making me even consider an HTC phone is because of the design, GUI, and the solid finish. I've always been a fan of the Sense layout
Benchmarks right now shows that HTC One can compete with SGS4. And of course HTC One is way off the level on the like of HTC One X or SGS3. But SGS4 has a much more powerful GPU on it but problem is 90% of the latest android handsets uses Adreno GPU which is not the case with SGS4 that uses PowerVR instead. So game compatibility would be rare if you ask me.
And by the way I hate samsung so you really won't expect any good about SGS4 from me but still what I have said are all correct so depends if you will believe me or not.
Thanks for the info, I guess we won't be able to know which sound chips both phone uses until it's fully dismantled. I literally love music and could be considered an audiophile and that is one of the major problems when it comes to non-removable back - no microSD. FLAC files are big and a phone is something I have at all times which makes it really convenient for me to add music to.
Now, the American variant galaxy s3 sucked hard, processor, gpu, sound card all lacked and pretty much sucked compared to the iPhone 5 aside from the removable back but even then, what's the point when rest of the hardware sucked.
I'm just skeptical of the Snapdragon cpu and the Adreno GPU as again both were in the American variant of the S3. And at the same time was not very efficient, lags are very noticeable even with a 2gb RAM.
I know benchmarks are not everything and real life usage is, and I'm curious how the CPU and GPU of the ONE competes with the S4. I saw a video of Real Racing 3 running on the ONE earlier today and it seemed to have all the rendering/graphics properly in place such as reflections on the mirror and car itself, which what the iPhone is running right now. That's good news as it can run that game well.
I currently own an S3 and the ONE seems like it'll be neat phone to try out but the concerns are the hardware competition and 3rd party development such as rooting, ROM's, etc - I heard HTC phones don't have a larger "hacking" community compared to Samsung or any other phones.
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Thanks for the info, I guess we won't be able to know which sound chips both phone uses until it's fully dismantled. I literally love music and could be considered an audiophile and that is one of the major problems when it comes to non-removable back - no microSD. FLAC files are big and a phone is something I have at all times which makes it really convenient for me to add music to.
Now, the American variant galaxy s3 sucked hard, processor, gpu, sound card all lacked and pretty much sucked compared to the iPhone 5 aside from the removable back but even then, what's the point when rest of the hardware sucked.
I'm just skeptical of the Snapdragon cpu and the Adreno GPU as again both were in the American variant of the S3. And at the same time was not very efficient, lags are very noticeable even with a 2gb RAM.
I know benchmarks are not everything and real life usage is, and I'm curious how the CPU and GPU of the ONE competes with the S4. I saw a video of Real Racing 3 running on the ONE earlier today and it seemed to have all the rendering/graphics properly in place such as reflections on the mirror and car itself, which what the iPhone is running right now. That's good news as it can run that game well.
I currently own an S3 and the ONE seems like it'll be neat phone to try out but the concerns are the hardware competition and 3rd party development such as rooting, ROM's, etc - I heard HTC phones don't have a larger "hacking" community compared to Samsung or any other phones.
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Regarding flac and big files: You could use the USB OTG connectivity and add any sort of USB storage. It's not as slick as a microsd but at home in front of the stereo it really doesn't matter.
BTW, I'm also very keen on knowing what DAC they've used. Hoping it's the Wolfson
I've searched around and couldn't find any good threads about this:
My note 4 (N910U) gets pretty hot when I'm playing regular games (Tsum Tsum, Wind Runner) and I'm thinking that this is what is causing it to lag.
I.e. When I start playing everything is super smooth, and then about 2-3 minutes in when the phone is getting hot, the frames start dropping and it lags pretty bad.
This happend with my note 2 as well. Is it normal or should I try to send it in to samsung somehow? (in which case does anyone have any experience with samsung customer service? I bought the note 4 from HK but I live in Japan :/)
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I've searched around and couldn't find any good threads about this:
My note 4 (N910U) gets pretty hot when I'm playing regular games (Tsum Tsum, Wind Runner) and I'm thinking that this is what is causing it to lag.
I.e. When I start playing everything is super smooth, and then about 2-3 minutes in when the phone is getting hot, the frames start dropping and it lags pretty bad.
This happend with my note 2 as well. Is it normal or should I try to send it in to samsung somehow? (in which case does anyone have any experience with samsung customer service? I bought the note 4 from HK but I live in Japan :/)
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I encountered something like this before even without playing games. Check if you have this issue.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/note-4/general/upper-screen-getting-hot-t3103904
My Knox is already turned off and theres been no real difference from before.
edit: Looks like setting it to force GPU rendere helps slightly overall (the sum off all things since some parts get much nicer some parts are the same, a few parts are laggier... )
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My Knox is already turned off and theres been no real difference from before.
edit: Looks like setting it to force GPU rendere helps slightly overall (the sum off all things since some parts get much nicer some parts are the same, a few parts are laggier... )
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Actually by enabling that option will affect your battery. Haven't done that on my Note 4 but tried that on my previous phone which is LG G2. Definitely it will be faster on rendering but it adds consumption on the battery. And also if the CPU is still overheating, the speed will still throttle down and still affects the applications that relies on CPU. Did you do any customization? If yes, incompatible kernel can be an issue also.
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Try installing this application. This application helped me track the application that is hogging my phone which is the Knox on my case. Look for a process that has a high cpu usage.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.bartat.android.elixir&hl=en
CPU throttling plague is main disadvantage of this phone (and many others too).
Samsung should be aware of this, and they are, but don't give a s**t. This expensive Phone lags as hell on some more demanding games.
For instance, Crossy Road lags after few minutes of playing, Ski Safari too, Subway surf....
No more buying Samsung s**t if this issue continues..
I feel sorry I sold my Note II, never had this problems with it.
Q-Logic said:
CPU throttling plague is main disadvantage of this phone (and many others too).
Samsung should be aware of this, and they are, but don't give a s**t. This expensive Phone lags as hell on some more demanding games.
For instance, Crossy Road lags after few minutes of playing, Ski Safari too, Subway surf....
No more buying Samsung s**t if this issue continues..
I feel sorry I sold my Note II, never had this problems with it.
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Under clock it slightly. That will stop it reaching the temperature that throttles the CPU/GPU all the way down, but still keep good enough performance
The CPU's don't throttle very aggressively and work the clock speeds down fairly evenly so you won;t be able to manage it better yourself by underclocking.
the GPU on the other hand stock uses some pretty crazy throttle steps which knocks the clock speed way down in one step which is probably what most people notice while gaming. You can try fiddling with the max states to try and work it better, but if it gets hot enough to throttle then it will just settle down to it's base state of performance.
I do wonder what people expect when they states these things are 'issues' or it's 'Samsung ****'. Welcome to the world where phones are designed for burst performance only. The Power consumption of pretty much any phone SoC from the past 4-5 years is high enough that clock speeds will be dropping (way) down once you put any extended load on the device. There are SoC design choices that can help with this (very wide cores running at low clockspeeds/voltages) and process node improvements usually come with an increase of steady state performance but there is simply no getting away from the fact that phones can't maintain performance because they are just too small.
getting more performance when you're limited to maybe 2.5watts long term TDP is a challenge. Only way to actually improve it is to undervolt your device, which can help quite a bit if you can drive the voltages down by a decent amount.
OK, I would ask which flagship Samsung phone not older than 2-3 years throttles the least? I'm ready to swap it with Note 4.
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OK, I would ask which flagship Samsung phone not older than 2-3 years throttles the least? I'm ready to swap it with Note 4.
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The Note 4 probably runs the coolest. I have a N910F, it only heats up with very heavy games like Real Racing, the CPU generally stays cool though.
Maybe activate CPU Power Saving and Force GPU rendering to try balance out the heat and power? Thats what I would do.
Just read it.
https://www.anandtech.com/show/12520/the-galaxy-s9-review/5
https://www.anandtech.com/show/12520/the-galaxy-s9-review/8
I really hope Samsung fixes this "issues".
It sucks. Hard.
What is the problems with the exynos processor this year?
You think software issue or harware issue?
Whats wrong with Exynos cpu. Well it is the tortoise and the hare.
Intel speed shift it is not.
htcplussony said:
Whats wrong with Exynos cpu. Well it is the tortoise and the hare.
Intel speed shift it is not.
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Exynos 9810 seems to be another 5410: made to impress in synthetic benchmarks, and stop at nothing to achieve that.
I will take this review with a grain of salt....agreed most reviewers don't go so deep and basically review their devices after a week of daily usage....but still if the problems were so deep..it would have been reported.
Like i said in the comments there, i believe most of the deductions from that test will not impact your day to day life. Information is great, but one must know when you need a "summary" and when a "thesis"
I am still buying this beauty next month and i am sure i would be satisfied.
Ive heard reviewers say and show on video the exynos having better battery life and a faster processor. Who to believe? I returned my snapdragon for an exynos because my SD got such horrible battery life. Just got the exynos so we will see. At least it can have root.
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I will take this review with a grain of salt....agreed most reviewers don't go so deep and basically review their devices after a week of daily usage....but still if the problems were so deep..it would have been reported.
Like i said in the comments there, i believe most of the deductions from that test will not impact your day to day life. Information is great, but one must know when you need a "summary" and when a "thesis"
I am still buying this beauty next month and i am sure i would be satisfied.
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Grain of salt? Did you even read the review?!
Sure, Exynos this year will still feel smooth, just like it did last year; but there is no denying to the fact that Samsung is still not up in its game when it comes to GPU efficiency. Samsung will still need to tune the scheduler on this Exynos (if not already tuned with March update). And unlike those most phone reviews out there, Anandtech folks actually go back and update their reviews after substantial changes that manufacture might have made (AT also reports those suggestions to OEMs when they review).
Anandtech is one of the few tech sites remaining that review hardware like how hardware should be reviewed.
Do not dismiss such hard work just for the sake of sounding edgy on the internet.
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I will take this review with a grain of salt....agreed most reviewers don't go so deep and basically review their devices after a week of daily usage....but still if the problems were so deep..it would have been reported.
Like i said in the comments there, i believe most of the deductions from that test will not impact your day to day life. Information is great, but one must know when you need a "summary" and when a "thesis"
I am still buying this beauty next month and i am sure i would be satisfied.
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I had the s9 for 10 days, sold it because I got much worse battery life than on my nearly one year old s8 and there were nearly no improvements at all. I only noticed these 3:
1. fp reader, better placement and much more accurate.
2. Sound from speakers which i never use, much better.
3. dual-sim.
In the end i felt that selling the s8 for 400 dollars more than I would get for my s8 was definitely worth it. Very happy with that decision.
As i said , such reviews have no real benefit for me as a everyday consumer. There's nothing to say that the author hasn't done an excellent job...he has. Point is whether you need such deep analysis , when you are never going to be affected. My view is <1% will notice these things.
Secondly battery is a very subjective thing, it depends on user to user and companies generally take a month or two to fix their stuff after a new release.
So I've had the exynos s9 all day and I gotta say it's much better battery life than my snapdragon s9. Only problem is now LTE doesn't work. Ughhh.
Even with a Exynos cpu, it will has godly performance.
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Grain of salt? Did you even read the review?!
Sure, Exynos this year will still feel smooth, just like it did last year; but there is no denying to the fact that Samsung is still not up in its game when it comes to GPU efficiency. Samsung will still need to tune the scheduler on this Exynos (if not already tuned with March update). And unlike those most phone reviews out there, Anandtech folks actually go back and update their reviews after substantial changes that manufacture might have made (AT also reports those suggestions to OEMs when they review).
Anandtech is one of the few tech sites remaining that review hardware like how hardware should be reviewed.
Do not dismiss such hard work just for the sake of sounding edgy on the internet.
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Yes it's in depth but not always how it really is.
Look at his benchmark charts and realize that SD835 is almost every benchmark faster than Exynos 8895 and 9810. Well, we all know it's not the case in real life.
Apple's A11 is fastest soc in every benchmark but in real world iPhone 8 is nowhere faster than Android flagships depending on sort of apps you use.
Never trust benchmarks only. User experience is more important.
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Yes it's in depth but not always how it really is.
Look at his benchmark charts and realize that SD835 is almost every benchmark faster than Exynos 8895 and 9810. Well, we all know it's not the case in real life.
Apple's A11 is fastest soc in every benchmark but in real world iPhone 8 is nowhere faster than Android flagships depending on sort of apps you use.
Never trust benchmarks only. User experience is more important.
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Those are not benchmarks; those are to test specific aspects of a SOC.
SD835 does still beat Exynos 8895 and 9810 when it comes to GPU intensive tasks; that is to credit QComm's exceptionally mature Adreno architecture.
SD835 will continue to beat these 2 CPU's when it comes to performance per Watt due to that.
SD810 was a failure, SD820 managed to narrow the GAP with E8890, and SD835 more or less went head to head with E8895.
Sure, synthetic benchmarks still favoured Exynos year after year, but the reality has not been that clear due to Samsung's DVFS being a year late compared to QComm. Those things might not be relevant to how a device performs (due to difference in choice of system variables and tuning); but they are very much relevant to judging how those SOC were designed and implemented. That is what the point of those tests are (over AnandTech and for their usual style of reviewing stuff).
You can check speedtests on ytube for SD845 vs E9810 and decide for yourself (speed tests are usually dumb across different devices but you can make some relevance when it comes to same device with different chips).
One such example:
AnandTech has published a testing article here for those of you who have been following this discussion and/or interested in improvements that Samsung and/or developers can bring to Exynos S9/S9+ via kernel modifications.
Improving The Exynos 9810 Galaxy S9: Part 1
Interesting read.
TL/DR:
Today’s results are just meant as a quick preview of the Exynos S9’s behaviour when removing what I believed the most offending parts of Samsung’s mechanisms. The results are very promising as we are essentially getting real-world performance boosts while at the same time seeing efficiency improvements and battery life improvements.
There is still a lot to be done - I haven’t really touched the scheduler or DVFS scaling logic, but I’m confident that it’s possible to improve things further. It’s unlikely that we’ll end up matching the Snapdragon 845 variant in battery life, as there are efficiency curve considerations at lower performance points that simply cannot be changed through software. But closing the gap as much as possible seems to be an attainable short-term goal.
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Now Samsung chimed in on the issue
https://www.androidcentral.com/samsung-addresses-battery-issues-exynos-powered-galaxy-s9
I'm extremely intrigued but also confused at the same level. I ordered a regular S9 Dual-SIM after reading reviews and reports that told me it was a great device and a nice upgrade from my S7 Edge. Then I cancelled my order because I read that a lot of people with the Exynos variant have battery related issues. Then I kept reading and noticed most of these reports where from devices just a couple hours or days old. The more recent reviews seem to show a different picture. While still a mixed bag, battery performance seems to be much less of an issue in more recent reports. For some it's even better than their previous devices. The reviews/reports who seem to praise the performance (battery) the most include almost exclusively people who compare it to the S6 (Edge), S7 (Edge). So, I placed my order again for a Coral Blue S9 Dual-SIM. Don't care for the Dual-SIM but somehow it's the only variant available in Germany. Whatever.
This is by no means an accurate analysis of the current or past situation. It's my experience. It's not representative in any form or function.
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I'm extremely intrigued but also confused at the same level. I ordered a regular S9 Dual-SIM after reading reviews and reports that told me it was a great device and a nice upgrade from my S7 Edge. Then I cancelled my order because I read that a lot of people with the Exynos variant have battery related issues. Then I kept reading and noticed most of these reports where from devices just a couple hours or days old. The more recent reviews seem to show a different picture. While still a mixed bag, battery performance seems to be much less of an issue in more recent reports. For some it's even better than their previous devices. The reviews/reports who seem to praise the performance (battery) the most include almost exclusively people who compare it to the S6 (Edge), S7 (Edge). So, I placed my order again for a Coral Blue S9 Dual-SIM. Don't care for the Dual-SIM but somehow it's the only variant available in Germany. Whatever.
This is by no means an accurate analysis of the current or past situation. It's my experience. It's not representative in any form or function.
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The upgrade will be very notable over s7 generation.
S7Edge gave me great battery (6-7hr SOT); S8 and S8+ gave me lower than that (4-5hr SOT). Now S9+ again gives me great battery (6-7hr SOT).
All of them have been Dual SIM models; and yes, I did change phone that often since I had a way to upgrading for a very small price difference.
S9+ upgrade wasn't as cheap for me, so I'll have to continue on this for a bit longer. It is an exynos S9+ from India; and performance has not been an issue so far for me.
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I had the regular s7 before and upgraded to the exynos variant s9, and it is true that battery life during the first week or two is not adequate. Battery life has improved much and overall it's still a great device compared to other devices out there. Yes, I do wish the battery capacity is larger and Samsung do further optimizations to get battery life on par with the snapdragon variant it isn't the worse and I'm able to get a full day out of it. Honestly if you can wait, wait for the s10. The new 7nm chips and rumored higher battery capacity should make a killer device. But you can't go wrong with the s9 believe me. Other devices out there are flawed one way or another and the touchwiz experience is honestly approaching perfection, yes it was terrible years back but now it's way better than stock android in my opinion.
In the screenshot below, the power saving mode only has decreased 10% screen brightness only. No other altered settings.
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I had the regular s7 before and upgraded to the exynos variant s9, and it is true that battery life during the first week or two is not adequate. Battery life has improved much and overall it's still a great device compared to other devices out there. Yes, I do wish the battery capacity is larger and Samsung do further optimizations to get battery life on par with the snapdragon variant it isn't the worse and I'm able to get a full day out of it. Honestly if you can wait, wait for the s10. The new 7nm chips and rumored higher battery capacity should make a killer device. But you can't go wrong with the s9 believe me. Other devices out there are flawed one way or another and the touchwiz experience is honestly approaching perfection, yes it was terrible years back but now it's way better than stock android in my opinion.
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This is what I'm talking about.
Battery tests, even in-depth semi-scientific analyses are all over the place and inconclusive. It is true that battery life is very user dependant but there should be a common theme all across the board. However, I don't see anything like that. I can't dealt with this for 2 years. I cancelled my order and will wait for a better deal on the S9+.
So , it seems , my reaction to the anandtech review was spot-on. S9 , irrespective of the cpu variants, is still a great device and we must not confuse ourselves with too much information where none is reqd.
God willing, I should be getting my hands on the s9 in early May.
https://www.tomsguide.com/us/galaxy-note-9-benchmarks,news-27773.html
I wonder about these tests although it's really comparing apples to oranges with different CPU and OS but some things can't lie, and the tests are designed to be platform independent.
I gotta say I'm slightly disappointed the snapdragon 845 performs poorer in comparison... And supposedly the Exynos version this year performs worse than the snapdragon, which is a first.
Ask me if I care??
Do you care?
nah lol
They specifically only showed the benchmarks where iPhone X beats the note. There are also many where it's the other way around and by a large margin. And anyways the note 8 still beats almost everything for everyday usage if you look at some of the real life speed test comparisons on Youtube, and also it's still the best at memory management.
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They specifically only showed the benchmarks where iPhone X beats the note. There are also many where it's the other way around and by a large margin. And anyways the note 8 still beats almost everything for everyday usage if you look at some of the real life speed test comparisons on Youtube, and also it's still the best at memory management.
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Hey if you want subway surfers to launch in 2.453 seconds the I phone X is for you. If you can spare the extra 1.123 seconds the note9 does everything else better. ?
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IPhone x is better only at the first test, when the benchmark test is run by 4 times in a row to mimick gaming, it is on of the worst devices and gets hot while the note only loses like 4-5% of performance, note 8 lost 10% or so. Don't know where I read it but someone tested it out
Benchmarks isn't the end all be all. Basically if you want a phone that scores high benchmarks then the iPhone is for you.
I'm going to use the Note 9 for the features that it has. For the customization that I can do it. The multitasking/multiple apps I can have open.
I have iDevices, you can do some multitasking, but ios doesn't compare to Android for my needs.
I will leave this here.
Speed tests are irrelevant now. Most phones these days, even budget android phones, are way faster than they have been ever before. You get what you are paying for and millisecond differences in App opening doesn't mean anything at all in real world usage. But functionality, features, and style on the other hand, is what sets Samsung phones apart from apple.
AnTuTu makes the iPhoneX look like a joke next to the Note9. Geek Bench is one of the ONLY ones that the iPhone X wins on.
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https://www.tomsguide.com/us/galaxy-note-9-benchmarks,news-27773.html
I wonder about these tests although it's really comparing apples to oranges with different CPU and OS but some things can't lie, and the tests are designed to be platform independent.
I gotta say I'm slightly disappointed the snapdragon 845 performs poorer in comparison... And supposedly the Exynos version this year performs worse than the snapdragon, which is a first.
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Samsung really messed things up with the Exynos 9810 chipset. In an effort to match iPhone's Single Core speed they ended up with a processor that runs hot and abnormally high battery drain. Hopefully the new water-carbon cooling system will overcome these deficiencies. You're lucky to have ended up with the Snapdragon variant, it eclipses the Exynos and iPhone A11 in a majority of benchmark tests.
Only the uneducated will get their panties in a twist with these tests that are rather stupid. Yeah, you might be comparing one phone to another by using one score type, but how you get to the score is different for each phone. Almost ALL benchmark tests run different algorithms between iPhones and Androids. It is actually not possible to statistically compare them together. It sure makes for a great headline grabber though.
I always go bouncing between Apple and Samsung phones(mostly Note series). Not because I can't choose one over the other, but because I just like phones in general and I'm a tech geek.
These tests are stupid, because Apple said it themselves...it's not speed that makes a great phone, it's how you use it. And to me, the complete experience that Samsung has brought to me personally, in the form of the Note series, simply can't be matched by Apple right now! Geekbench scores can show an iPhone scoring 5 times as high as my Note 9, and I would still by my Note 9 because of my user experience.
People get so caught up with the useless numbers.
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Only the uneducated will get their panties in a twist with these tests that are rather stupid. Yeah, you might be comparing one phone to another by using one score type, but how you get to the score is different for each phone. Almost ALL benchmark tests run different algorithms between iPhones and Androids. It is actually not possible to statistically compare them together. It sure makes for a great headline grabber though.
I always go bouncing between Apple and Samsung phones(mostly Note series). Not because I can't choose one over the other, but because I just like phones in general and I'm a tech geek.
These tests are stupid, because Apple said it themselves...it's not speed that makes a great phone, it's how you use it. And to me, the complete experience that Samsung has brought to me personally, in the form of the Note series, simply can't be matched by Apple right now! Geekbench scores can show an iPhone scoring 5 times as high as my Note 9, and I would still by my Note 9 because of my user experience.
People get so caught up with the useless numbers.
I used to own an iphone 8 plus. Mobile phones are built to be useful for life of a person. Okay, iphone a11 chip is a beast but what can you do EXCLUSIVELY, NOT AVAIBLE FOR OTHER ANDROID PHONES in iphone? NOTHING.
But i can do these on my NOTE 9:
1) Take notes easily, draw for fun without any lag and sharing is smooth. No crushes..
2) Access every every details of settings. I can easily disable GPS with one tap.
3) Google services are naturally more integrigated.
4) I can see all the details of my photos. I can shoot raw, i can shoot manually.
5) Thanks to edge screen, my favourite apps are one tap away.
6) Charging is way faster, charging cable and adapter is included.
7) AKG and ICONX earbuds came for free with Note 9 pre-sale.
8) VPN connection is faster. Doesnt drop. I can see diagnosis of inbound speed.
9) 128 gb + Samsung cloud (15gb) + Dropbox + Google Drive. Cloud services are all integrated.
10) 960 fps mode, ultra ultra slow.
11) Take selfies with the cool s-pen.
12) Translate words with the cool s-pen.
13) I know that SAMSUNG will not slow my phone without warning.
etc etc...
Believe me or not, i used both iphone and note 9, i feel EXACTLY NO DIFFERENT in terms of speed. They are both fast. Benchmarks are no important for me. I chose the free life with no worries. I am in love with Note 9.
Another reason is because Geekbench algorithm for iPhone uses Vulcan whereas it hasn't been updated for Android phones that use the Vulcan graphic processing.
I used my wife's Note 9 (Snapdragon - ATT ) and ran ANTUTU Benchmarks for grins and giggles and the phone got a score of about 284,000 - very respectable.
When I received my N960F - a Note 9 from Clove in the UK, I ran the same Benchmark from ANTUTU and the best score I could get was 236,000 - a HUGE difference.
I really expected more parity between those phones and wonder why there is such a big difference? Is the Exynos Process that far behond Snapdragon's latest?
(I know these benchmarks don't mean much - but just the same, after spending nearly a grand on this phone, I would have expected better)
Any thoughts?
same chips but on the S9. should give you an idea
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I used my wife's Note 9 (Snapdragon - ATT ) and ran ANTUTU Benchmarks for grins and giggles and the phone got a score of about 284,000 - very respectable.
When I received my N960F - a Note 9 from Clove in the UK, I ran the same Benchmark from ANTUTU and the best score I could get was 236,000 - a HUGE difference.
I really expected more parity between those phones and wonder why there is such a big difference? Is the Exynos Process that far behond Snapdragon's latest?
(I know these benchmarks don't mean much - but just the same, after spending nearly a grand on this phone, I would have expected better)
Any thoughts?
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What are your thoughts on battery life between the 2?
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What are your thoughts on battery life between the 2?
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great question but I haven't used either long enough to really get a sense for it - On first blush, battery seems similar on both - I can easliy get thru an entire day without charging - though I find myself automatically placing my phone in my wireless charger from time to time because I have always had to - I think I can break myself of that habit though - will play around a bit more on both and see how they fair in a comparison of daily use....
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same chips but on the S9. should give you an idea
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What are your thoughts on battery life between the 2?
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Geekser said:
great question but I haven't used either long enough to really get a sense for it - On first blush, battery seems similar on both - I can easliy get thru an entire day without charging - though I find myself automatically placing my phone in my wireless charger from time to time because I have always had to - I think I can break myself of that habit though - will play around a bit more on both and see how they fair in a comparison of daily use....
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Did Samsung work on the kernel sources to improve the Exynos 9810's efficiency and performance to be on par with Snapdragon 845 ?
The answer is "NO".
Looks like the the tides have turned recently in favor of the snapdragon chipset.
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Did Samsung work on the kernel sources to improve the Exynos 9810's efficiency and performance to be on par with Snapdragon 845 ?
The answer is "NO".
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I know and I don't understand why. I think Exynos could be as good or better than the Snapdragon - but for some reason - it lags behind...
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I know and I don't understand why. I think Exynos could be as good or better than the Snapdragon - but for some reason - it lags behind...
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Could the Exynos 9810 be better in the s9/s9+/Note 9? - Probably to an extent working on the kernel but would still be behind the SD.
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great question but I haven't used either long enough to really get a sense for it - On first blush, battery seems similar on both - I can easliy get thru an entire day without charging - though I find myself automatically placing my phone in my wireless charger from time to time because I have always had to - I think I can break myself of that habit though - will play around a bit more on both and see how they fair in a comparison of daily use....
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Thanks. Look forward to hearing from you
Snapdragon Note 9 : Will Allow you to Play FASTER Gamecube/Wii/PSP Emulation. But Will not allow you to install custom roms or root your device.
Exynos Note : Will not play gamecube/Wii Games Smoothly but will allow you to install custom rom.
Personally if I didn't want Wii/Gamecube emulation, I would have easily bought exynos.
Ok in synthetic benchmarks such as antutu the 845 gets a higher score because of the better graphics processor. When it comes to the cpu side of things the 9810 is at least as good and sometimes better.
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Snapdragon Note 9 : Will Allow you to Play FASTER Gamecube/Wii/PSP Emulation.But Will not allow you to install custom roms or root your device.
Exynos Note : Will not play gamecube/Wii Games Smoothly but will allow you to install custom rom.
Personally if I didn't want Wii/Gamecube emulation, I would have easily bought exynos.
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dolphin emulation on both chipsets recently took a massive jump forward. exynos included.
you can root on international snapdragon variants of the Note 9. I believe China has unlocked snapdragon. I've heard chit chat mentioning Canada as well, fact check these yourself tho.
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Ok in synthetic benchmarks such as antutu the 845 gets a higher score because of the better graphics processor. When it comes to the cpu side of things the 9810 is at least as good and sometimes better.
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Aha, but then the real world performance of the sd is far better than the exynos + it's more efficient leading to a lot better battery life + the modem is better. Then you throw in a GPU that is literally another class in a phone that potentially will be used also for gaming and this year a lot of heavy games were released with vastly different experience on the two variants (last year samsung got a free pass on their lossy g71 mp20 as no heavy games released, not the case this year and it's shaping more to release frequently in the future).
g72 mp18 can't even come close to the PREVIOUS year sd 835 in real world gaming. sd 845 benefits heavily from the note 9 cooling as it had some thermal restrictions and sustain performance was close to the sd 835 one (still far better than g72 mp18 sustain for both snapdragons), while the mali GPU doesn't benefit that much from the new cooling, the GPU is just slow.
In Europe we actually pay more for that phone, 1000 euros are not equal to 1000 us dollars, all that while we get a SOC that is between midrange and highend instead of the highend one that is for the US market. Previous years the exynos was better (galaxy s7 for example), but the difference between the two variants were never that big as this year.
Edit: check the other real world benchmarks like pcmark, browser benchmarks and so on - the sd variant wipes the floor with the exynos. Still, benches are not all, sadly the real world difference is also there and noticeable.
Again if you look at the geek bench scores for cpu (android central, did a comparison) the cpu side of the exynos 9810 outperformed the 845. I would agree when factoring in the 845 graphics the overall score of the 845 is better. Again you would be VERY hard pressed to notice the difference in the real world. And there is zero lag on either of these variants I found.
I know people in the industry and alot of the perceived difference is due to the scheduler for the 9810 not being as optimised as for the 845. Rule on the street is that Sammy will redress this soon with an update.
Also the woolfson DAC on the exynos provides a better quality audio experience and fuller sound stage than that of the aqstic DAC on the 845.
Again the difference is slim. I've noticed zero lag even on fortnite.
Reast assured both chips ate brutes. After all both the 845 and 9810 are currently fabricated/manufactured by samsung.
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Again if you look at the geek bench scores for cpu (android central, did a comparison) the cpu side of the exynos 9810 outperformed the 845. I would agree when factoring in the 845 graphics the overall score of the 845 is better. Again you would be VERY hard pressed to notice the difference in the real world. And there is zero lag on either of these variants I found.
I know people in the industry and alot of the perceived difference is due to the scheduler for the 9810 not being as optimised as for the 845. Rule on the street is that Sammy will redress this soon with an update.
Also the woolfson DAC on the exynos provides a better quality audio experience and fuller sound stage than that of the aqstic DAC.
Again the difference is slim. I've noticed zero lag even on fortnite.
Reast assured both chips ate brutes. After all both the 845 and 9810 are currently fabricated/manufactured by samsung.
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It's a lot more complicated than a simple scheduler and if it was going to be fixed, it was going to be fixed for the note 9 launch as it's a good few months from the s9/s9+ release with the same SOC (that is a lot in the fast moving forward mobile industry). Most likely they won't do any improvements even in future major android releases. Geekbench score is peak performance on burst load tasks, it's not counting task migrations, frequency scaling, cores hotpluging and so on. There are good articles for the 9810 in anandtech, how it can be improved, why it can not be improved beyond given point, but they are kinda techy and not easy to read if you are not into it.
tl:dr The CPU cores are great, but has some flaws and everything around them is sh*t (sorry for my language, but yeah). The DAC is great tho, this is totally true.
For the GPU part there are a lot of materials about adreno 630 vs g72 mp18 with actual stats like max fps, min fps, FPS stability and so on. Fortnite will run ok, but on the sd845 it can run maxed out fluently (for the most part). Also when one spend 1000 euro, he should think about future proving and gaming is moving fast forward this year. If you game on your phone, it's kinda a bummer to settle for lower GFX settings on one of the most expensive phones this year, if you want smooth experience.
Not saying the exynos is super bad, it's not, but it's not on par with the sd845.
Again you would be hard pressed to notice the difference. Both variants are perfectly fine so everyone buy either with confidence.
It's not true, marvel strike force is unplayable on exynos version
9810 user here and i have to limit the exynos speed for it to get to a day. This sucks. I paid usd1000 but need to turn pn battery saver every morning
No rows written here reflect the reality. Just snapdragon users happy with their chipset. Another report on the S9 test that is outdated. The smallest SOT with exynos is 7h with only mobile data. Who does not know how to use an android or uses it as a playstation is his job. For a normal user it's great.
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9810 user here and i have to limit the exynos speed for it to get to a day. This sucks. I paid usd1000 but need to turn pn battery saver every morning
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I don't even have to do that with my Note 8. You can likely squeeze more out of it, but a lot depends on usage patterns of course.