Since Android Wear has the screen on all the time, and the Gear Live is AMOLED wouldn't burn in be an issue? the galaxy gears on display at retail stores have a bit of a burn in problem.
nolandynamite said:
Since Android Wear has the screen on all the time, and the Gear Live is AMOLED wouldn't burn in be an issue? the galaxy gears on display at retail stores have a bit of a burn in problem.
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From what I've read, the watches are "always on" in the sense at the screen stays on, but the lighting is turned off. So instead of having to refresh the UI every time the watch is seen, it just turns the light on. Similar to a backlight for a laptop. Display models are usually always lit so they burn in due to the display being lit 24/7.
mitch27 said:
From what I've read, the watches are "always on" in the sense at the screen stays on, but the lighting is turned off. So instead of having to refresh the UI every time the watch is seen, it just turns the light on. Similar to a backlight for a laptop. Display models are usually always lit so they burn in due to the display being lit 24/7.
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As far as I am aware, AMOLED has no backlight...that's sort of the point...every pixel "burns" individually.
CommanderROR said:
As far as I am aware, AMOLED has no backlight...that's sort of the point...every pixel "burns" individually.
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I said similar because not everyone is familiar with the way AMOLED's work. But the same thing occurred at his Best Buy as would any modern portable display, device is constantly lit, and resulted in burn in.
I'm sure the user has an option to turn off the display if they choose to.
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they also have dark mode and dim (holding palm over the screen) don't they?
hopefully there'll be something within all this to prevent issues.
Only LG G Watch has "Always-on" display, Gear Live and Moto 360 have a button to turn it on and yes in the Setting you have an option to adjust the brightness.
Hreidmar said:
Only LG G Watch has "Always-on" display, Gear Live and Moto 360 have a button to turn it on and yes in the Setting you have an option to adjust the brightness.
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After watching like, 40 videos, I'm pretty sure that they all have always on. The button on the Gear Live and the 360 are to act as a physical way of turning off the display entirely as LG allows by covering it with your palm. But yeah, from what I've seen, the Gear Live goes into the same low power greyscale mode that the G Watch goes into, and both support wrist flicking to activate the display.
DrawnToLife said:
After watching like, 40 videos, I'm pretty sure that they all have always on. The button on the Gear Live and the 360 are to act as a physical way of turning off the display entirely as LG allows by covering it with your palm. But yeah, from what I've seen, the Gear Live goes into the same low power greyscale mode that the G Watch goes into, and both support wrist flicking to activate the display.
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I did watch about 40 videos too lol and LG G Watch was the only advertised as "screen always on" as Gear Live has Super AMOLED display and even greater resolution than LG G Watch so the Gear Live would burn out in matter of hours.
LG G has 400 Mah battery, IPS display and lower resolution so it can withstand being "always-on" for at least 36 hours as advertised.
Hreidmar said:
I did watch about 40 videos too lol and LG G Watch was the only advertised as "screen always on" as Gear Live has Super AMOLED display and even greater resolution than LG G Watch so the Gear Live would burn out in matter of hours.
LG G has 400 Mah battery, IPS display and lower resolution so it can withstand being "always-on" for at least 36 hours as advertised.
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Except, you know, on the official Google page, and in the videos that I've seen, the screen also just times out to a low power, black and white screen (referring to the Gear Live). Super AMOLED is more power efficient in idle / dark screens due to the nature of individual pixel lightning, so I don't really understand what you mean by the Gear Live would burn out in a matter of hours (they should be relatively the same from what I can tell).
Always on = standby (i.e low brightness, dark screen). It does not mean full brightness, always coloured watch face. No way in hell. If that was the case, why would the displays time out in what appears to be 5-10 seconds?
Yeah.. I'm going to wait on conclusive battery testing before making my purchase. I've got like a week anyways, might as well.
Also, I'm legitimately concerned about screen burn in now, given the nature of AMOLED.
DrawnToLife said:
Except, you know, on the official Google page, and in the videos that I've seen, the screen also just times out to a low power, black and white screen (referring to the Gear Live). Super AMOLED is more power efficient in idle / dark screens due to the nature of individual pixel lightning, so I don't really understand what you mean by the Gear Live would burn out in a matter of hours (they should be relatively the same from what I can tell).
Always on = standby (i.e low brightness, dark screen). It does not mean full brightness, always coloured watch face. No way in hell. If that was the case, why would the displays time out in what appears to be 5-10 seconds?
Yeah.. I'm going to wait on conclusive battery testing before making my purchase. I've got like a week anyways, might as well.
Also, I'm legitimately concerned about screen burn in now, given the nature of AMOLED.
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i've been concerned about screen burn in from time to time as well (most recently with the gnex). but then i realized it is highly unlikely i'll have the device for long enough to achieve burn in and/or notice
I've been playing with my Gear Live for a couple of days, so here's what I can tell :
- The screen is "Always On" by default, which means it will get dimmer and switch to a black background on most watch faces (and for AMOLED, black means "off").
- You can set it to turn off completely.
- In order to dim it (or turn it off depending on the settings) you can either wait, cover the screen with your hand, or use the physical button... The button is not really practical and seems to serve absolutely no purpose since you can use the screen.
- I haven't noticed any burn-in at all yet
- I think I noticed that from time to time the facewatch (I'm using the one with the digital hour in the center and analog minutes, I think it's called "digitalog" ) switches a few pixels to the right or to the left. My guess is it is to prevent burn in, I know most plasma TVs do that too.
- I had a Galaxy S2 for several years before switching to a Nexus 5, and yes, the toip of the screen where the notification bar usually is was burnt-in (or rather I think the whole screen was burnt except for this black bar). It was noticeable on full screen apps but never bothered me. Even if it happens on the Gear Live I can't see it bothering me... It's not like I'll be watching movies on it...
So my guess is you should be fine... But if you're really worried you can always disable "Always On".
BlueScreenJunky said:
I've been playing with my Gear Live for a couple of days, so here's what I can tell :
- The screen is "Always On" by default, which means it will get dimmer and switch to a black background on most watch faces (and for AMOLED, black means "off").
- You can set it to turn off completely.
- In order to dim it (or turn it off depending on the settings) you can either wait, cover the screen with your hand, or use the physical button... The button is not really practical and seems to serve absolutely no purpose since you can use the screen.
- I haven't noticed any burn-in at all yet
- I think I noticed that from time to time the facewatch (I'm using the one with the digital hour in the center and analog minutes, I think it's called "digitalog" ) switches a few pixels to the right or to the left. My guess is it is to prevent burn in, I know most plasma TVs do that too.
- I had a Galaxy S2 for several years before switching to a Nexus 5, and yes, the toip of the screen where the notification bar usually is was burnt-in (or rather I think the whole screen was burnt except for this black bar). It was noticeable on full screen apps but never bothered me. Even if it happens on the Gear Live I can't see it bothering me... It's not like I'll be watching movies on it...
So my guess is you should be fine... But if you're really worried you can always disable "Always On".
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How is the battery though? Think you can get through a solid day with heavy notification flow? That's all I really care about.
BlueScreenJunky said:
- I think I noticed that from time to time the facewatch (I'm using the one with the digital hour in the center and analog minutes, I think it's called "digitalog" ) switches a few pixels to the right or to the left. My guess is it is to prevent burn in, I know most plasma TVs do that too.
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I have a Gear Live, and can confirm this is true. I've seen it on multiple watch faces.
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Except, you know, on the official Google page, and in the videos that I've seen, the screen also just times out to a low power, black and white screen (referring to the Gear Live). Super AMOLED is more power efficient in idle / dark screens due to the nature of individual pixel lightning, so I don't really understand what you mean by the Gear Live would burn out in a matter of hours (they should be relatively the same from what I can tell).
Always on = standby (i.e low brightness, dark screen). It does not mean full brightness, always coloured watch face. No way in hell. If that was the case, why would the displays time out in what appears to be 5-10 seconds?
Yeah.. I'm going to wait on conclusive battery testing before making my purchase. I've got like a week anyways, might as well.
Also, I'm legitimately concerned about screen burn in now, given the nature of AMOLED.
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I own a Gear Live and can confirm that it does indeed have an always on display (which can be toggled from settings) that dims to gray scale when not in use just like the G Watch.
At the same time I can also confirm that having my watch now just around 3 weeks has already showed some very minor signs of burn-in. Typically when in apps or settings. As I said though its very minor and not really noticeable unless you're looking for it. That said though it is there.
Also to clear up battery life the Gear Live can withstand 36hours of always on screen. While I typically charge my watch each night I have tested it and can get it to run from one morning through to the following night before the battery reaches 5%. This is with the Always-on display option enabled.
Are you guys leaving the screen on all night when you're sleeping? I know its not lit up all the way but like the dimmed version of the screen. Like I'm using the simple clock. You think its okay to leave that on all night? I'm thinking it'll be okay cause it'll gradually change over night so it's not technically sitting on one time for 7 hours.
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tu3218 said:
Are you guys leaving the screen on all night when you're sleeping? I know its not lit up all the way but like the dimmed version of the screen. Like I'm using the simple clock. You think its okay to leave that on all night? I'm thinking it'll be okay cause it'll gradually change over night so it's not technically sitting on one time for 7 hours.
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I am a little worried about burn in myself so I turn the device off at night when I charge it. Even though the pixels should shift with the default watch faces I just think it's a safer bet to power it off.
Does anyone know if custom watch faces can cause screen burn in dim/always on mode?
I know that when the stock watchfaces go into the always on screen that they move a bit to avoid screen burn, but do custom watches that go into always on dim mode do the same?
Nvm, through some experimenting the answer seems to be yes they move to avoid screen burn.
babyshanks said:
Nvm, through some experimenting the answer seems to be yes they move to avoid screen burn.
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Noob here so forgive the novice question. Does this mean the dim should be used to prevent burn? Or is it better to not have the screen always on?
pmgreen said:
Noob here so forgive the novice question. Does this mean the dim should be used to prevent burn? Or is it better to not have the screen always on?
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A surefire way to prevent screen burn is not to have it always on. Dim will somewhat prevent it since its lower brightness. The ambient mode/always on mode moves around slightly so certain pixels are not on all the time. That said, this doesn't always work depending on the type of watch face you have. If you have a large shape for instance, pixels in the middle of said shape may always be on which could lead to faster screen burn. Personally I leave it always on with watch faces that have thin and simple ambient modes. With the small shifts in positioning I'm not worried about screen burn, and considering I don't really expect to use this watch for more than a year and half it has become a non-issue for me.
Hello everyone,
I noticed a strange behaviour when G Wath R goes into the "dimmed mode".
After some time, no rule how long, while the "dimmed mode" is on, the watch face kind of skips a few pixels in rather random direction. When you wake the watch the face goes back to the center.
This happens on any watch face (stock or 3rd party).
Attached photos show how the face went a little to the right and down - 1st: centered, 2nd: moved.
Anyone else got this issue?
Any cure?
Thank you.
It's not an issue but a feature. It's designed that way so no single pixel is stuck displaying the same color all the time and so helps prevents the screen burn-in that happens on every OLED screen.
It doesn't 100% prevents (with that watchface for example I don't think it's gonna do much good) it but it's a lot better than nothing.
Here is some info about burn-in protection.
Spere said:
Here is some info about burn-in protection.
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Thank you all for the info. I was unaware of this.
FYI this can be turned off by changing 1 to 0 in this line in build.prop:
Code:
ro.ambient.burn_in_protection=1
Thanks.
Am I the only one that notices that the Watch face isn't centered %99 of the time? It flickers and resets itself upon waking the device. But in ambient mode it's off kilt. Is this a Android Wear bug? and is it to be addressed? Or the watch face?
thegrim11 said:
Am I the only one that notices that the Watch face isn't centered %99 of the time? It flickers and resets itself upon waking the device. But in ambient mode it's off kilt. Is this a Android Wear bug? and is it to be addressed? Or the watch face?
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What watch face are you using?
thegrim11 said:
Am I the only one that notices that the Watch face isn't centered %99 of the time? It flickers and resets itself upon waking the device. But in ambient mode it's off kilt. Is this a Android Wear bug? and is it to be addressed? Or the watch face?
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"It's not a bug, it's a feature" (cit.)
Jokes aside, it's really a feature: while the screen is dimmed, the watch face is slightly uncentered and it shifts of a few pixel in random directions every minute. This is on purpose, to avoid screen burn in (typical oled display problem).
Speedin07si said:
What watch face are you using?
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I'm using Pujie Black.
thegrim11 said:
I'm using Pujie Black.
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using the same. it not a bug or anything wrong. it's actually a feature, to help prevent screen burn. the watch face keeps moving around once a few minutes.
Like it's been said, it's a preventive feature against screen burns.
At least if it's somethinbg like this it is... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hDl_GW6VV24
You can "fix" that "bug" in the Pujie settings app.
But be prepared to buy a new watch after a not that long time.
I can't find any relevant information about GW5 and screen burn. I've only seen about GW4 where the OS doesn't implement pixel shift but I'm not entirely sure whether or not this applies to GW5...
Can GW5 have a screen burn?
If yes, is it permanent damage or can you reset the screen by having a bright screen for a long period of time?
Also does it implement pixel shifting or do I have to use something like pixel minimal watchface that does have a setting for that ?
What are your experiences?
All OLED displays are susceptible to permanent burn in, especially with constant use. It is a matter of "when", not "if" - the screen WILL burn in eventually with enough use. This is permanent and cannot be reversed. Pixel shifting can help increase the lifetime but even so the screen eventually will burn in, especially for a device with display items that are always in the same place, such as a watch or phone.
V0latyle said:
All OLED displays are susceptible to permanent burn in, especially with constant use. It is a matter of "when", not "if" - the screen WILL burn in eventually with enough use. This is permanent and cannot be reversed. Pixel shifting can help increase the lifetime but even so the screen eventually will burn in, especially for a device with display items that are always in the same place, such as a watch or phone.
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Also, good idea to try and utilise watch faces with darker colours...
My watch seems to be off more than on with the 15 second timeout, wrist movements, Etc...