Quick rundown of my situation....
I was using an XT1097 on AT&T, broke my screen and went through Motorola to replace it. For a replacement they sent me an XT1095. Opened it up and immediately took the Lollipop update but everything on it is T-Mo, including the baseband. Maybe it's just in my head but I feel like the 4G coverage is not the same. Places at my job I used to get service and 4G do not work anymore or are very spotty. Would having all the T-Mo info on it affect me? Is there anyway to put the AT&T stuff back on it? I unlocked the bootloader, rooted and installed TWRP.
Just not sure what my options are....
KB
KB Smoka said:
Quick rundown of my situation....
I was using an XT1097 on AT&T, broke my screen and went through Motorola to replace it. For a replacement they sent me an XT1095. Opened it up and immediately took the Lollipop update but everything on it is T-Mo, including the baseband. Maybe it's just in my head but I feel like the 4G coverage is not the same. Places at my job I used to get service and 4G do not work anymore or are very spotty. Would having all the T-Mo info on it affect me? Is there anyway to put the AT&T stuff back on it? I unlocked the bootloader, rooted and installed TWRP.
Just not sure what my options are....
KB
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The hardware is different. AT&T uses a LTE band that the 1095 is missing. Maybe changing the APN could have more signal but I doubt ...
juliospinoza said:
The hardware is different. AT&T uses a LTE band that the 1095 is missing. Maybe changing the APN could have more signal but I doubt ...
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Didn't Motorola restore the missing bands in the PE with the 5.0 update?
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Didn't Motorola restore the missing bands in the PE with the 5.0 update?
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XT1095 (GSM Unlocked US Pure edition), UMTS Bands (850/900/1700/1900/2100), LTE Bands (2/3/4/5/7/17/29) [Sim unlocked and capatable with most GSM networks including AT&T and T-Mobile; LTE bands software restricted to 2/4/17]
XT1097 (AT&T US, Retail Brazil), UMTS Bands (850,900,1700,1900,2100), LTE Bands (2/3/4/5/7/17/29) [The AT&T doesn't support LTE band 29 (software restricted) and is SIM locked whereas the non-US variants are SIM unlocked]
try flashing a xt1097 modem in order to use the LTE bands you company requires.
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try flashing a xt1097 modem in order to use the LTE bands you company requires.
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I was't sure if there were any risks in doing that but I will certainly look into it....
I guess I've been lucky, my xt1095 works just as great as my xt1097 did on att.
There is a thread over on motorola's forum that states that the software restriction to 2/4/17 present on XT1095 with KK was removed with the OTA to LL. So it should support the same LTE bands as the ATT version.
Performance between the two phones should be identical as they have the exact same hardware and Motorola enabled all of the bands on the XT1095.
I have seen phones take time to build a list of available signals in the area though.
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Performance between the two phones should be identical as they have the exact same hardware and Motorola enabled all of the bands on the XT1095.
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So once MoFo is opened up for the ATT XT1097, they should be able to flash XT1095 images as long as they are in ext4 format?
Or another way of thinking about it, if the ATT XT1097's bootloader could be unlocked (i know currently it can't be) then they should be able to flash XT1095 Custom ROMs correct?
Yes it should be fine. It's the same thing done with XT1097's from other providers that do allow boot loader unlocking such as Telus and Wind Mobile in Canada.
walrusmonarch said:
There is a thread over on motorola's forum that states that the software restriction to 2/4/17 present on XT1095 with KK was removed with the OTA to LL. So it should support the same LTE bands as the ATT version.
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No, it hasn't been removed yet. It's been confirmed that at some point they will activate those bands but it hasn't been done yet.
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Performance between the two phones should be identical as they have the exact same hardware and Motorola enabled all of the bands on the XT1095.
I have seen phones take time to build a list of available signals in the area though.
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It's definitely not identical and from what I've read they have not activated all of the bands yet. Hopefully soon.
There is no way to tell what bands are available on the phone is there?
KB Smoka said:
No, it hasn't been removed yet. It's been confirmed that at some point they will activate those bands but it hasn't been done yet.
It's definitely not identical and from what I've read they have not activated all of the bands yet. Hopefully soon.
There is no way to tell what bands are available on the phone is there?
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Are you sure? There are people posting over at Motorola's forum saying that since they took the LL OTA with the new baseband, they have been able to get LTE on bands 3,5 and 7.
I can't check this myself. I always connect to ATT's LTE on band 17 on my XT1095. I used LTE discovery to see what band I was using when connected.
From what I've seen/read they still weren't added but I could be wrong. I really hope I am right because in my case the experience between the XT1097 and XT1095 has been very different. I will give LTE discovery a try and see what's up.
Thanks!
I am 99.99999% sure the bands were enabled. Several people in Canada are using the XT1095 with LTE bands 2,4,5,7 and 17.
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Hey everyone. So i have a question that i can't find on here so im going to ask it. I have a Verizon HTC one unlocked. The sim car works fine and i can do everything on the phone with the T-mobile sim card. The issue is its always Edge data. Is there a specfic APN i have to use? something im not seeing? Does anyone else have this issue? It is a stock factory HTC One, nothing custom.
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Hey everyone. So i have a question that i can't find on here so im going to ask it. I have a Verizon HTC one unlocked. The sim car works fine and i can do everything on the phone with the T-mobile sim card. The issue is its always Edge data. Is there a specfic APN i have to use? something im not seeing? Does anyone else have this issue? It is a stock factory HTC One, nothing custom.
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I don't think the Verizon model will have the correct radio frequencies to use T-Mo's LTE or HSPA+ network, hence you're stuck on Edge. If you're staying with T-Mo, I'd suggest selling your current One and buying a T-Mo specific HTC One.
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I don't think the Verizon model will have the correct radio frequencies to use T-Mo's LTE or HSPA+ network, hence you're stuck on Edge. If you're staying with T-Mo, I'd suggest selling your current One and buying a T-Mo specific HTC One.
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This is pulled from Verizons website
Network: LTE, CDMA/1xEVDO Rev. A (800/1900 MHz)
Global Network: EDGE/GSM (850/900/1800/1900), HSPA/UMTS(1900/2100) aGPS capable for E911 emergency location, aGPS (assisted), sGPS (simultaneous), Standalone GPS, eCompass, GLONASS
T-mobile uses the 1900 Mhz base band and the HSPA as well. So i don't see the issue in that one.
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This is pulled from Verizons website
Network: LTE, CDMA/1xEVDO Rev. A (800/1900 MHz)
Global Network: EDGE/GSM (850/900/1800/1900), HSPA/UMTS(1900/2100) aGPS capable for E911 emergency location, aGPS (assisted), sGPS (simultaneous), Standalone GPS, eCompass, GLONASS
T-mobile uses the 1900 Mhz base band and the HSPA as well. So i don't see the issue in that one.
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From what I can tell, nobody uses the dual 1900/2100 to achieve 4G like TMO. The UMTS referred to on that phone is for worldwide use, not US. So while it may have the frequencies, it is not set up to use them like TMO. Your software and firmware are set up to work with Verizon and overseas, not with a competitor like TMO. TMO refers to theirs as HSPA+. However, it might work on the new "reframed" 1900 bands (which is called HSPA), but those are not very highly deployed. Unfortunately, I don't see LTE on that list of frequencies. The TMO LTE is really great. EDIT: I mean TMO LTE, which is also 1700/2100.
I suppose you could try unlocking it and flashing the TMO radio, but there is an entire thread on trying to unlock TMO frequencies (in that case on the developer version), and no one has figured it out yet.
I concur that your best bet would be to sell the phone and get a TMO model.
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From what I can tell, nobody uses the dual 1900/2100 to achieve 4G like TMO. The UMTS referred to on that phone is for worldwide use, not US. So while it may have the frequencies, it is not set up to use them like TMO. Your software and firmware are set up to work with Verizon and overseas, not with a competitor like TMO. TMO refers to theirs as HSPA+. However, it might work on the new "reframed" 1900 bands (which is called HSPA), but those are not very highly deployed. Unfortunately, I don't see LTE on that list of frequencies. The TMO LTE is really great. EDIT: I mean TMO LTE, which is also 1700/2100.
I suppose you could try unlocking it and flashing the TMO radio, but there is an entire thread on trying to unlock TMO frequencies (in that case on the developer version), and no one has figured it out yet.
I concur that your best bet would be to sell the phone and get a TMO model.
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Yeah thats what im thinking. I need to contact and t-mobile rep and see if the re-farmed LTE here. Ill call and ask.
Alright so i called the rep and he said the area i am has been re-farmed to the 1900 range and i should be getting at least HSPA/3G but im not. Very odd issue
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Hey everyone. So i have a question that i can't find on here so im going to ask it. I have a Verizon HTC one unlocked. The sim car works fine and i can do everything on the phone with the T-mobile sim card. The issue is its always Edge data. Is there a specfic APN i have to use? something im not seeing? Does anyone else have this issue? It is a stock factory HTC One, nothing custom.
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Verison use the CDMA, maybe that's why you can only use 2.5G network, just like some phones in China, they only have GSM in common
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Verison use the CDMA, maybe that's why you can only use 2.5G network, just like some phones in China, they only have GSM in common
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yes but this phone has 4g lte already in it which accepts the sim card. Also, i have seen other verizon htc ones with t-mobile and never had a issue. I fell i may have to use a custom rom.
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yes but this phone has 4g lte already in it which accepts the sim card. Also, i have seen other verizon htc ones with t-mobile and never had a issue. I fell i may have to use a custom rom.
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What he is referring to is that what Verizon uses as "3G" is CDMA technology. So although they (T-Mobile and Verizon) may be on the same frequency they're using totally different technologies. Just because it has a sim card slot for a Verizon sim doesn't mean the device will be compatible with another carrier's sim. A custom ROM would not resolve this issue. Your best bet would be to sell this device and purchase one from T-Mobile. :fingers-crossed:
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What he is referring to is that what Verizon uses as "3G" is CDMA technology. So although they (T-Mobile and Verizon) may be on the same frequency they're using totally different technologies. Just because it has a sim card slot for a Verizon sim doesn't mean the device will be compatible with another carrier's sim. A custom ROM would not resolve this issue. Your best bet would be to sell this device and purchase one from T-Mobile. :fingers-crossed:
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I know what the best way to go is but i am very curious as to what is really keeping it from going out of edge. baseband? Is the TMO and Verizon radios the same? these are things i need to know! >.<
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I know what the best way to go is but i am very curious as to what is really keeping it from going out of edge. baseband? Is the TMO and Verizon radios the same? these are things i need to know! >.<
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My understanding is that the devices run on different systems for 3G and different LTE bands. You wont get more than GSM compatibility (GPRS, EDGE). Hopefully it is something that a software hack can fix but if you read around all the HTC One forums you will see no one has found it. Right now it is not possible.
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What he is referring to is that what Verizon uses as "3G" is CDMA technology. So although they (T-Mobile and Verizon) may be on the same frequency they're using totally different technologies. Just because it has a sim card slot for a Verizon sim doesn't mean the device will be compatible with another carrier's sim. A custom ROM would not resolve this issue. Your best bet would be to sell this device and purchase one from T-Mobile. :fingers-crossed:
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My question is that HTC makes phones for all T mobile verison sprint the same, so I believe its just software problem that we cant use Tmobile 4g lte on Verizon unlocked phone. SO does anyone have any comment for that?
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My question is that HTC makes phones for all T mobile verison sprint the same, so I believe its just software problem that we cant use Tmobile 4g lte on Verizon unlocked phone. SO does anyone have any comment for that?
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It is hardware not software that is the issue. The T-Mobile variant has different bands than the other variants including Verizon. T-Mobile is a GSM variant while Verizon is a CDMA variant. Here is a comparison of the specs for the variants.
CDMA and GSM technology requires the antenna to be done differently. If they are not programmed to use those signals. Nothing you can dox will change it short of putting a new antenna in.
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It is hardware not software that is the issue. The T-Mobile variant has different bands than the other variants including Verizon. T-Mobile is a GSM variant while Verizon is a CDMA variant. Here is a comparison of the specs for the variants.
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SO how do i know if my phone is Verizon CDMA unlocked or GSM unlocked
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SO how do i know if my phone is Verizon CDMA unlocked or GSM unlocked
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Because you can only unlock GSM. Cdma uses the serial/esn number of the device.
Has there been any update on this? I called tmobile and they said it was simply because I couldn't put in the APN. So, there's no chance that rooting the phone and putting a tmobile rom on it would fix the problem and let me get more than edge speeds.
I myself have been wondering the answer to this. The device might seem the same but under the cover they are different. The actual daughter board which the camera, vibrating thing, volume rocker, power button are connected to are fairly different from each other. The CDMA variant is not compatible with the GSM variant. Not even by adding a CDMA daughter board to the GSM motherboard and vice versa, the are made quiet differently and will not be able to use GSM bands on a CDMA m7
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I have seen several posts on flashing XT1053(retail/tmobile/developer) firmware on XT1058(AT&T/Rogers/etc) hardware. I believe most people were only doing the OS though and not the entire flash(including the radio/modem)
The XT1053 is FCC ID ihdt56pa2 and includes: gsm 850/900/1800/1900, wcdma 1700/850/1900 and LTE bands 02,04 and 17
The XT1058 is FCC ID ihdt56pa1 and includes: gsm 850/900/1800/1900, wcdma 850/1900 and LTE bands 02,04,05 and 17
So the differences are that the XT1053 supports wcdma 1700 and the XT1058 supports LTE band 05.
Wcdma 1700 is the same frequency range as LTE band 04, LTE band 05 is 850 Mhz. So it would really seem the two models should both be able to support the same frequencies/bands. The iFixit tear down of an XT1058 indicated it has a multimode power amplifier module for Quad-Band GSM / EDGE and Penta-Band (Bands I, II, IV, V, VIII) WCDMA/ HSDPA/ HSUPA/ HSPA+/ LTE. It also has a separate power amp for LTE bands 12 and 17.
I can't see Motorola applying for multiple FCC ID certifications if the hardware really was identical but who really knows what the differences are. Is there a limitation to the total number of bands the phone controller can handle, so in one phone they selected wcdma 1700 and the other they selected LTE band 05? Is it possible AT&T wanted a phone that specifically couldn't do wcdma 1700 mhz?
I'm reasonably new to android and haven't done a lot of flashing, can someone please confirm if the full retail flash from an XT1053 can be loaded into an XT1058 (I assume an unlocked bootloader is required). And if someone has done it can they report back that the radio portion of the flash is updated and what the results are.
I'm also puzzled why Motorola got Canadian certification for the XT1058 model. If they had the XT1053 certified for use in Canada it would work on 5 providers instead of the three the XT1058 supports here(again unless that was purposely selected by Rogers Canada so the phone couldn't be used on two of the other providers here once sim unlocked).
Steve-x said:
I have seen several posts on flashing XT1053(retail/tmobile/developer) firmware on XT1058(AT&T/Rogers/etc) hardware. I believe most people were only doing the OS though and not the entire flash(including the radio/modem)
The XT1053 is FCC ID ihdt56pa2 and includes: gsm 850/900/1800/1900, wcdma 1700/850/1900 and LTE bands 02,04 and 17
The XT1058 is FCC ID ihdt56pa1 and includes: gsm 850/900/1800/1900, wcdma 850/1900 and LTE bands 02,04,05 and 17
So the differences are that the XT1053 supports wcdma 1700 and the XT1058 supports LTE band 05.
Wcdma 1700 is the same frequency range as LTE band 04, LTE band 05 is 850 Mhz. So it would really seem the two models should both be able to support the same frequencies/bands. The iFixit tear down of an XT1058 indicated it has a multimode power amplifier module for Quad-Band GSM / EDGE and Penta-Band (Bands I, II, IV, V, VIII) WCDMA/ HSDPA/ HSUPA/ HSPA+/ LTE. It also has a separate power amp for LTE bands 12 and 17.
I can't see Motorola applying for multiple FCC ID certifications if the hardware really was identical but who really knows what the differences are. Is there a limitation to the total number of bands the phone controller can handle, so in one phone they selected wcdma 1700 and the other they selected LTE band 05? Is it possible AT&T wanted a phone that specifically couldn't do wcdma 1700 mhz?
I'm reasonably new to android and haven't done a lot of flashing, can someone please confirm if the full retail flash from an XT1053 can be loaded into an XT1058 (I assume an unlocked bootloader is required). And if someone has done it can they report back that the radio portion of the flash is updated and what the results are.
I'm also puzzled why Motorola got Canadian certification for the XT1058 model. If they had the XT1053 certified for use in Canada it would work on 5 providers instead of the three the XT1058 supports here(again unless that was purposely selected by Rogers Canada so the phone couldn't be used on two of the other providers here once sim unlocked).
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Rogers Canada has the 1058 , I usually flash at&t Roms but I have flashed t-mobile Roms too.
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can i flash t-mobile moto x firmware to my att moto x? just to remove the sim unlock code?
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can i flash t-mobile moto x firmware to my att moto x? just to remove the sim unlock code?
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No I don't believe so
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Flash retail developer edition in xt1058 unlocked bootloader
Hello, this is my first first post, but i have been reading this forum since years ago.
I have a XT1058, i bought it in Mexico (America Movil version, shipped with locked bootloader). Following Motorola instructions I acquire to unlock the bootloader, then I followed one thread from here and flashed the AT&T KitKat, everithing is running fine so far.
Now I'm wondering is possible or anyone from here have the experience of flash a developer firmware in a XT1058 with unlocked bootloader (MOTO X, GSM Dev Edition:KK 4.4-13.11.1Q2.X-69-3_MR2 (Retail)), I want a more clean installation, without the bloatware included in the AT&T rom.
It is possible to mess the radios? I want to keep the LTE service.
Any comment will be really appreciated.
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Hello, this is my first first post, but i have been reading this forum since years ago.
I have a XT1058, i bought it in Mexico (America Movil version, shipped with locked bootloader). Following Motorola instructions I acquire to unlock the bootloader, then I followed one thread from here and flashed the AT&T KitKat, everithing is running fine so far.
Now I'm wondering is possible or anyone from here have the experience of flash a developer firmware in a XT1058 with unlocked bootloader (MOTO X, GSM Dev Edition:KK 4.4-13.11.1Q2.X-69-3_MR2 (Retail)), I want a more clean installation, without the bloatware included in the AT&T rom.
It is possible to mess the radios? I want to keep the LTE service.
Any comment will be really appreciated.
Thanks
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I have a PR XT1058 and I'm running the Retail 4.4 ROM that you mentioned above and it's running fine. Apart from a little higher battery drain (I think), there's nothing to complain about.
I am also using the retail(tmobile) 4.4 with XT1058 hardware. I did flash the NON_HLOS.bin and fsg.mbn from the AT&T 4.4(XT1058 hardware) build though. I can't say for certain it makes a difference but I really feel like I see less time without a signal. I don't use 2600 Mhz/Band 7 LTE so I can't say if it is enabled or disabled at the moment.
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I am also using the retail(tmobile) 4.4 with XT1058 hardware. I did flash the NON_HLOS.bin and fsg.mbn from the AT&T 4.4(XT1058 hardware) build though. I can't say for certain it makes a difference but I really feel like I see less time without a signal. I don't use 2600 Mhz/Band 7 LTE so I can't say if it is enabled or disabled at the moment.
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How's your battery life?
Thanks you guys, I'll try the dev firmware, the worst thing that can happen is go back to AT&T in case something doesn't work properly
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How's your battery life?
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Excellent. I have no weird drains of any kind. I don't use wifi at all and only turn location services on if needed. I generally have the phone off charge for 17 hours per day, 2 hours of screen on time and end the day with 60 to 70% battery remaining. Most days I see a no signal percentage of 1 to 3%, if I disable LTE I will see no signal loss at all. My LTE is on the AWS band so its not super strong most places and only works upstairs at my house, in the basement I go back to HSPA.
I have switched between the AT&T 4.4 and the retail 4.4 build several times. I really did feel the AT&T build gave slightly better battery life until I flashed the modems. It is not a big enough difference to really quantify though. I have thought maybe the modem code in the Moto X was the same in all builds and it just selected the proper radios based on the detected hardware. I don't believe that is actually the case any longer though as I have read people with XT1058 hardware have lost the 2600 mhz band with the stock retail modem.
If my provider used the 2600 mhz band I'd test and verify but it is the other provider in town using it.
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Excellent. I have no weird drains of any kind. I don't use wifi at all and only turn location services on if needed. I generally have the phone off charge for 17 hours per day, 2 hours of screen on time and end the day with 60 to 70% battery remaining. Most days I see a no signal percentage of 1 to 3%, if I disable LTE I will see no signal loss at all. My LTE is on the AWS band so its not super strong most places and only works upstairs at my house, in the basement I go back to HSPA.
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Wow I wish I could say the same! My phone is currently at 15h 55m on battery and I'm down to 47%. Mobile data is off but everything else is on. Screen time is 37m.
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I have switched between the AT&T 4.4 and the retail 4.4 build several times. I really did feel the AT&T build gave slightly better battery life until I flashed the modems. It is not a big enough difference to really quantify though. I have thought maybe the modem code in the Moto X was the same in all builds and it just selected the proper radios based on the detected hardware. I don't believe that is actually the case any longer though as I have read people with XT1058 hardware have lost the 2600 mhz band with the stock retail modem.
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I just compared the md5 hashes of NON-HLOS.bin from ATT_XT1058_4.2.2-13.9.0Q2.X-116-X-17-54_CFC_1FF.xml and TMO_RETAIL_XT1053_4.2.2-13.9.0Q2.X-116-X-17-57_MR1_CFC.xml and they don't match. So the modem code in the Moto X is not the same in all builds, I think it's actually the other way round. I think the modem hardware is the same in all models and it just selects the proper radios based on loaded ROM.
On the weekend I didn't charge the phone Saturday night, phone was off charger for two days, 3.5 hours of screen on time, still had 25% when I plugged it in last night. I really found my biggest drain was the GPS and wifi looking for location all the time. I could care less if I ever use wifi so I leave it off. I don't want anything tracking me so I prefer to have GPS off completely. It does mean certain features don't work as well as intended though, I can't just ask google to tell me the temperature outside, it will get the location wrong as it has to fall back to my providers wireless IP location which is not that close to me.
Also got my dream phrase to work pretty good, I use "ok skynet now" to get the X to do stuff for me.
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I just compared the md5 hashes of NON-HLOS.bin from ATT_XT1058_4.2.2-13.9.0Q2.X-116-X-17-54_CFC_1FF.xml and TMO_RETAIL_XT1053_4.2.2-13.9.0Q2.X-116-X-17-57_MR1_CFC.xml and they don't match. So the modem code in the Moto X is not the same in all builds, I think it's actually the other way round. I think the modem hardware is the same in all models and it just selects the proper radios based on loaded ROM.
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I am pretty sure it is actually different, if they could make one hardware model they would as it would save them a ton of money. Receiving the FCC certifications for the different hardware is expensive, as is making more then one model. I know using the retail build does not magically enable HSPA/WCDMA on band 4 on my XT1058, I've checked several times.
Or if they aren't different they are programmed as different from the factory. If you do a "fastboot getvar all" you can see there is a flag which sets the radio hardware installed, it is 0x01 for an XT1058 and different for other models.
The CDMA models are also different for certain as they have an extra CDMA baseband processor in them which has been verified by hardware teardown.
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I am pretty sure it is actually different, if they could make one hardware model they would as it would save them a ton of money. Receiving the FCC certifications for the different hardware is expensive, as is making more then one model. I know using the retail build does not magically enable HSPA/WCDMA on band 4 on my XT1058, I've checked several times.
Or if they aren't different they are programmed as different from the factory. If you do a "fastboot getvar all" you can see there is a flag which sets the radio hardware installed, it is 0x01 for an XT1058 and different for other models.
The CDMA models are also different for certain as they have an extra CDMA baseband processor in them which has been verified by hardware teardown.
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Makes sense...
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I have switched between the AT&T 4.4 and the retail 4.4 build several times. I really did feel the AT&T build gave slightly better battery life until I flashed the modems. It is not a big enough difference to really quantify though. I have thought maybe the modem code in the Moto X was the same in all builds and it just selected the proper radios based on the detected hardware. I don't believe that is actually the case any longer though as I have read people with XT1058 hardware have lost the 2600 mhz band with the stock retail modem.
If my provider used the 2600 mhz band I'd test and verify but it is the other provider in town using it.
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I bought a used AT&T Moto X XT1058, now running KitKat 4.4 on the stock rom, but rooted so that I could use my Tmobile SIM.
I've been trying to find a way to flash the retail version of KitKat 4.4 in place of the AT&T rom, but I don't see how to do it with a locked bootloader. Can you explain (or point to a thread) how you were able to switch from AT&T 4.4 to retail 4.4?
Thanks!
galt$gulch said:
I bought a used AT&T Moto X XT1058, now running KitKat 4.4 on the stock rom, but rooted so that I could use my Tmobile SIM.
I've been trying to find a way to flash the retail version of KitKat 4.4 in place of the AT&T rom, but I don't see how to do it with a locked bootloader. Can you explain (or point to a thread) how you were able to switch from AT&T 4.4 to retail 4.4?
Thanks!
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My XT1058 is from Rogers Canada, they allow bootloader unlocking. I don't think it can be done with a locked bootloader.
galt$gulch said:
I bought a used AT&T Moto X XT1058, now running KitKat 4.4 on the stock rom, but rooted so that I could use my Tmobile SIM.
I've been trying to find a way to flash the retail version of KitKat 4.4 in place of the AT&T rom, but I don't see how to do it with a locked bootloader. Can you explain (or point to a thread) how you were able to switch from AT&T 4.4 to retail 4.4?
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I don't think @Steve-x has an AT&T XT1058, he probably has one of those Latin American XT1058s (like mine) which bootloader can be unlocked.
Edit: He just confirmed that it's actually a Canadian XT1058.
Afaik, you cannot flash another carrier's ROM with a locked bootloader unless both carrier ROMs have the same CID. For example, all Latin American ROMs are CID12, so I think you can flash ROMs from different Latin American carriers on a Latin American phone without unlocking the bootloader, but you wouldn't be able to flash another ROM which has a different CID.
I 'm not sure what CID the Retail US ROM has, but I don't think it has the same CID as the AT&T ROM.
mschumacher69 said:
I don't think @Steve-x has an AT&T XT1058, he probably has one of those Latin American XT1058s (like mine) which bootloader can be unlocked.
Edit: He just confirmed that it's actually a Canadian XT1058.
Afaik, you cannot flash another carrier's ROM with a locked bootloader unless both carrier ROMs have the same CID. For example, all Latin American ROMs are CID12, so I think you can flash ROMs from different Latin American carriers on a Latin American phone without unlocking the bootloader, but you wouldn't be able to flash another ROM which has a different CID.
I 'm not sure what CID the Retail US ROM has, but I don't think it has the same CID as the AT&T ROM.
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Thanks guys. Okay. I'll keep watching for boot loader exploits, or otherwise see about selling my phone to buy a T-Mobile version.
Hi, I also flashed unmodéle XT1058 AmericaMovil with TMO-Rom XT1053 and my Moto x became a 1053 XT, so it's great ROM that determines xTxxx type and not the hardware.
Best rergards - The 4G is already on use in Belgium , with this configuration and carrier BASE . . . Enjoy !
This seems like a dumb question, but I'm trying to figure out if an unlocked Moto X off of the Motomaker site will fully work on AT&T. I know Motorola sells the "T-Mobile" version as the unlocked one on their site, which is why I put both in the subject. I can't tell by the specs I'm finding if the unlocked version will work or not, and I'm not real familiar with the exact bands needed on Tmobile and AT&T (we just switched from being long time Verizon users). Any help would be appreciated as I'm supposed to pick it up today from another guy!
jntdroid said:
...I'm trying to figure out if an unlocked Moto X off of the Motomaker site will fully work on AT&T...
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Yes.
dew.man said:
Yes.
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Thanks - so if you're paying full retail, there's really zero reason to get the AT&T version vs. the unlocked version off of the motomaker site, it would seem anyway...
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Thanks - so if you're paying full retail, there's really zero reason to get the AT&T version vs. the unlocked version off of the motomaker site, it would seem anyway...
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Technically, the AT&T version does support one additional LTE band that the TMobile and DevEdition do not. HOWEVER, I've read that that specific band is not used in the US, and my experience has been consistent in that my tmo variant always has LTE coverage whenever my AT&T iPhone does.
I'm leaving Verizon with a T-Mobile motomaker moto x which I'll try on TMs no contract plan. If it doesn't work out, I can always give ATT a try. Seems like a no-brainer to use the TM version.
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Technically, the AT&T version does support one additional LTE band that the TMobile and DevEdition do not. HOWEVER, I've read that that specific band is not used in the US, and my experience has been consistent in that my tmo variant always has LTE coverage whenever my AT&T iPhone does.
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Interesting - trying to dig up some info on 850. But even still, it covers all the other major ones, and worst case scenario you're falling back onto their HSPA+ which is pretty good in and of itself. I live in the DFW area, and I'm here 99% of the time. So I'm sure it won't be an issue.
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Interesting - trying to dig up some info on 850. But even still, it covers all the other major ones, and worst case scenario you're falling back onto their HSPA+ which is pretty good in and of itself. I live in the DFW area, and I'm here 99% of the time. So I'm sure it won't be an issue.
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The band that the TMO moto x doesn't have is band 5 LTE I think. AT&T only uses 4 and 7 in the US. You're going to be fine getting the tmobile one no matter what GSM carrier you choose.
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Technically, the AT&T version does support one additional LTE band that the TMobile and DevEdition do not. HOWEVER, I've read that that specific band is not used in the US, and my experience has been consistent in that my tmo variant always has LTE coverage whenever my AT&T iPhone does.
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Actually its two LTE bands (5&7) the T-Mo and GSM Dev X lack compared to the ATT US model. But you are right, they are said to be used outside the USA only, so if you don't plan on traveling, you wont miss them.
See the discussion in this thread -> http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2546466
And the since the T-Mo is sim unlocked, and can be bootloader unlocked, Right, if you are paying full retail, there is no reason to buy the ATT (which is sim locked and can't unlock bootloader).
KidJoe said:
Actually its two LTE bands (5&7) the T-Mo and GSM Dev X lack compared to the ATT US model.
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Can you please provide a reference to where the AT&T model supports band 7?
Everything I've read shows 5 but not 7...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2511121
http://www.phonearena.com/phones/Motorola-Moto-X_id7885
http://wiki.cyanogenmod.org/w/Xt1058_Info
The hardware in the AT&T model supports LTE band 7, all XT1058s do. However last time I checked the FCC docs it wasn't approved to use it in the US. In 4.2.2 it wasn't enabled in the AT&T build, in 4.4 I believe that it is though. It is used all across Canada and in some other countries, not sure if the US will ever use it though.
dew.man said:
Can you please provide a reference to where the AT&T model supports band 7?
Everything I've read shows 5 but not 7...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2511121
http://www.phonearena.com/phones/Motorola-Moto-X_id7885
http://wiki.cyanogenmod.org/w/Xt1058_Info
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https://plus.google.com/114874428605785658638/posts/fkFtiVpXyHi John Renaldi of Motorola Mobility Inc. You have to scroll down as I can't seem to link to his post/followup on Nov 27.
While the TMO version does in fact have all the AT&T LTE bands (your AT&T SIM will work), the hardware itself does not contain all the same bands as the AT&T version. Our TMO version supports: LTE Band 02; LTE Band 04; LTE Band 17 and the AT&T version supports LTE Band 02; LTE Band 04; LTE Band 05; LTE Band 07; LTE Band 17
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KidJoe said:
https://plus.google.com/114874428605785658638/posts/fkFtiVpXyHi John Renaldi of Motorola Mobility Inc. You have to scroll down as I can't seem to link to his post/followup on Nov 27.
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Cool. Interesting how that's the only place it's mentioned (contrary to all the published specs). Wonder if it was just a slip up or if everybody else got it wrong!?
Oh well, like we both said, won't matter in the US
Ironically enough, I ended up disabling my LTE as HSPDA is fast enough and I get much better battery life with it off...
So I'm about to go and meetup with someone to buy this phone, but I just realized there are a ton of different variants. I'm just finding out that her phone is locked to Rogers so it's probably the XT1058 that she has. My question is: Is there a way to get this phone and specific model to work on Wind Mobile (or Tmobile's 3g network)? The band for Wind Mobile is AWS 1700.
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So I'm about to go and meetup with someone to buy this phone, but I just realized there are a ton of different variants. I'm just finding out that her phone is locked to Rogers so it's probably the XT1058 that she has. My question is: Is there a way to get this phone and specific model to work on Wind Mobile (or Tmobile's 3g network)? The band for Wind Mobile is AWS 1700.
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i thought that Roger's had something going on that the device is basically locked in to their network... someone else can chime in here.
Legend28469 said:
So I'm about to go and meetup with someone to buy this phone, but I just realized there are a ton of different variants. I'm just finding out that her phone is locked to Rogers so it's probably the XT1058 that she has. My question is: Is there a way to get this phone and specific model to work on Wind Mobile (or Tmobile's 3g network)? The band for Wind Mobile is AWS 1700.
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personally i wouldnt mess with trying to switch carriers with the phone.
The Rogers phone can be carrier unlocked. I have one, it's unlocked and working on telus, lte and all.
But, better do some searching, cause I thought I read somewhere that it won't work on wind. Maybe I'm wrong, but better look into it or you may be disappointed.
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It works fine on wind. Had to sim unlock it, but that was it
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OP, based on the replies here, if you have yet to go through with the purchase, be sure to read up on the complications of unlocking the device for other carriers before making the decision that this phone is for you.
bongostl said:
It works fine on wind. Had to sim unlock it, but that was it
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A Rogers XT1058 will not work on Wind, it does not support HSPA on the 1700/2100 Mhz frequency band.
To the OP, you need an XT1053 model of the Moto X to use it with Wind Mobile.
The XT1053 is not sold in Canada, it is sold in the US as the retail/tmobile/gsm dev edition.
Unlocking a Rogers XT1058 is easy and less then 10 bucks but it still won't enable the AWS bands for HSPA. It will only work on Telus, Koodo, Bell, Virgin, Rogers and Fido.
Yup ^^^
That's about what I read. And most unlocked phones I looked at before buying my Moto X said work on all carriers.. Except wind. Not just the Moto x either... The G2 was another for sure.
Sent from my Moto X cell phone telephone.....
I will be taking my verizon XT1060 DE phone to the UK in a couple of weeks. Last time I was there I picked up a gifgaf card but didn't have time to focus on trying to use data. This time, I'd like to be able to use LTE data but most, if not all, carriers in the UK use band 3 and 20. I believe the xt1060 has bands 4 and 13 enabled. Is there any way to enable the UK bands on the phone?
Unfortunately, no. It's a hardware limitation.
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Unfortunately, no. It's a hardware limitation.
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Per FCC approval, the verizon version has hardware for lte bands 2/4/7/13 - Verizon
The current XT1060 rom/radio files only supports LTE Bands 4 and 13.
I have seen nothing on enabling other bands, nor have I seen the rom/radio files from other modes which are compatible to flash in order to enable any other LTE bands.
i.e. No matter what the hardware is capable of supporting, as it stands today, you are stuck with LTE Bands 4 and 13 only on the XT1060.
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Per FCC approval, the verizon version has hardware for lte bands 2/4/7/13 - Verizon
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just to make this clear:
does the vzw xt1060 has hardware limitations for band 7 or not?
if i flash e.g. the rogers or at&t radios i will result in a phone with imei = 0 until flashing back to the vzw radios?
is the cdma&"worldphone" chipset responsible for this?
thanks in advance
You can't enable bands that aren't supported. That's it. ?