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I've always liked the look of Moto sliders, ever since the original Milestone (Droid), but the encrypted bootloader turned me away from that phone. I've been with HTC devices ever since.
I've seen all the leaked Droid 4 photos and think it looks pretty damn sweet. Hopefully it'll get released in the UK as well (as the Milestone 4, I presume).
My question is: Can someone explain in simple terms if Moto is still encrypting bootloaders? If so, are there workarounds that give full access to flash different kernels etc now? This is still a dealbreaker issue for me. I need to know if I should quit wasting my time lusting after this device, and just wait for the next qwerty HTC to get announced.
Thanks!
Bootloaders are still locked, and Moto has not made any change to unlock them. As you can see HTC has decided to put out a tool, even with carrier objections. I really wish Moto would do the same thing!
Moto hates the dev community...
If you want to buy a moto device, buy it for what it is now, not for what it could be.
Moto promises to unlock bootloader on GB devices by Q3 2011. And they broke every promise, they only care about carriers.
trer253 said:
Moto hates the dev community...
If you want to buy a moto device, buy it for what it is now, not for what it could be.
Moto promises to unlock bootloader on GB devices by Q3 2011. And they broke every promise, they only care about carriers.
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Look here: http://digitaltelex.com/default/201...ed-to-unlocking-the-bootloaders-in-late-2011/
Guess there's no Milestone 4 in my future then
I was aware Moto had made promises about unlocking bootloaders a long time ago, but I'm not at all surprised they've not followed through on it.
With these Droid/Milestone models they are only cutting their own throat though. Look at the dev support that the original Droid got, the G1, the G2/Desire Z.
The dev community LOVES a decent qwerty phone, and Moto could clean up with the specs that Droid 4 has. But no, they'd rather lock it down, and all that business will just go to HTC instead. Along with my recommendation to friends/family etc.
Yep, is all about qwerty. We are tied to moto
Anyone looking for a non qwerty phone, dont buy moto, there are better options. Maybe this way they weill learn
It's the opposite for me - I'm locked out of buying Moto phones, even though I won't consider anything BUT qwerty phones.
My Desire Z is looking a little long in the tooth now, and I'm desperate to replace it with something dual-core. But there just isn't anything in this country (UK). And now it looks like Moto is not interested in taking my money for the 4th time in a row :-/
Yes, I know this has been beaten to death, but I have also found myself in the "which one" boat. Has anyone else been torn and made the decision? how do you feel about your choice? thoughts?
I don't like the color scheme of the dev edition, but i like the concept of ensured root and custom ROMs, if development picks up pace. That being said, I get the impression that CM and other non-stock roms lose the beautiful features of touchless control and active notifications. Is this still true? If so, is there hope for it in the future? Is there any real advantage to the DE other than not having to wait for a root exploit? I'm currently very happy on eclipse, but i did find myself frustrated while waiting for a 4.4 root exploit. Anyway, just looking to get some general impressions on whose happy with having chosen one or the other and why. And also, if you've tried DE-only ROMS, which ones and what you thought of them.
Thanks XD
MikeyNick said:
Yes, I know this has been beaten to death, but I have also found myself in the "which one" boat. Has anyone else been torn and made the decision? how do you feel about your choice? thoughts?
I don't like the color scheme of the dev edition, but i like the concept of ensured root and custom ROMs, if development picks up pace. That being said, I get the impression that CM and other non-stock roms lose the beautiful features of touchless control and active notifications. Is this still true? If so, is there hope for it in the future? Is there any real advantage to the DE other than not having to wait for a root exploit? I'm currently very happy on eclipse, but i did find myself frustrated while waiting for a 4.4 root exploit. Anyway, just looking to get some general impressions on whose happy with having chosen one or the other and why. And also, if you've tried DE-only ROMS, which ones and what you thought of them.
Thanks XD
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It's much easier to root the DEV, but both can be http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2603358
I fought this very same thing ... Really not into a two-toned phone LOL
But after playing with the Moto Maker site and seeing my custom 32GB ebony/black/silver device was the same exact price as a dev edition device, I promptly removed the custom device from my cart and got the dev edition. I know I will root, not necessarily ROM, so why not take the path of least resistance? Also, I'll definitely be getting a case so there's a good chance that eventually all those customizations will be hidden anyway.
Just my $0.02
Note 3 .... that is all!!
I got a 16gig retail "black woven" Demo X from Verizon in early Sept that I used for two months. This was the first phone in a long while that I didn't use a case for. It felt great in my hand. I didn't drop it. And after using it, I saw little need to root. Tethering was the biggest draw for root, along with blocking ads.
I've never been a fan of alternate ROMs. The ones I've tried on past phones always had bugs or issues, got updated frequently, etc. I spent more time "debugging" and "flashing" my phone than actually using it. With its stock ROM, the X just works and is so close to stock android that I don't want to mess that up with a custom rom. So I haven't really looked into the availability of the custom Moto X features (like active display, voice control, etc)
In early Nov when it came time to send the demo back, I opted to purchase the Dev Edition X for Verizon. At the time it was way more expensive, voided the warranty to unlock the bootloader, but the only 32gig option for Verizon, and most important to me was the ability to root without waiting on an exploit. When the Kit Kat root came out so fast, I was kind of kicking myself for not just using an upgrade and getting the Retail X. BUT.. seeing how involved the SlapMyMoto & MotoWpNoMo processes are compared to rooting the Dev Edition X, I felt better about my purchase. With the Dev X, its just flash TWRP recovery, boot into it and install SuperSU no matter what version stock ROM you are running. There is also the unknown of the 4.4.2 update coming, what is needed to install it if you've rooted with SlapMyMoto, and how to re-root if you have a locked boot loader. That wont be a problem with the Dev Ed. And recently Moto changed their policy about unlocking the Dev Edition bootloader, it no longer voids the warranty, and they re-instated the warranties which also makes me feel better.
I wouldn't say I'm a "fan" of the Dev Ed backing, either color or its slipperiness. The texture of the black woven demo I had was different/better. I have dropped my Dev X at home (on the carpet thankfully). To solve the lack of grip, I got one of those XtremeGuard full body kits when they were on sale for like $2.50 including shipping. I've only put the back on my phone and it has helped. I also have a SUPCASE and a Minisuit Clipster The cases do cover up the back, so had I opted for a MotoMaker, I wouldn't see its back when in the case. While both cases do alter the size and feel a little, its not enough to make me not use the case.
In the end, its up to you. Ease of Root and Write Protection Enable, Possibility of running 3rd party ROMs (which may cost you the Moto X features) vs custom colors and trim which might get covered by a case anyway, and may be less slippery without a case, and uncertainty of rooting.
Oh, and you can still use safe strap to run a few "custom" roms on the motomaker X.
I had the same struggle then concluded that I know I'll put a case on it and I know I hate bloatware, google included, and will want to remove it so I chose the developer edition...
Make life easier on yourself and go with the Dev Edition. You have guaranteed control of your phone.
ROMing on this phone is almost pointless with GravityBox being able to customize almost anything you'd get on a custom ROM anyway, as long as you can root. That makes the Dev edition not as important, but it also means root is required and that is only guaranteed with the Dev edition.
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I got a Moto Maker version, and while I love the phone, I do sorta regret not getting a Dev Edition. I haven't bothered to root my phone, since this phone is so fantastic on its own (and I figured out how to restore app data), but it would be nice to unlock the bootloader in case I wanted to try some ROMs.
That being said, personally, I think stock Moto X is superior to CyanogenMod (which I have on other devices). And there isn't any real bloatware (since you can always Disable it).
Bought a MotoMaker and don't regret not opting for the Dev Edition at all. The root process wasn't difficult at all. If you think that it was, stop using toolkits. I'm not a developer nor do I work in the IT industry, I'm just a tech geek like most people here. Knowing how to use adb and fastboot has saved my ass many times
Ha, well the funny thing is, I AM a developer, so part of me likes the crazy exploits that came out for the Moto X. But I'm getting to a point in my life where, between work, a relationship, and all the little things in between, time is an increasingly rare commodity. When the telnet root exploit came out, I was like "wow, what a wizard to have figured that out!", and it was kind of fun, but then especially having to do it again on 4.4, reading about, setting up, and actually executing the exploit can be time consuming. It's not challenging, just time consuming. Why spend an hour or two doing that when I could spend 10 minutes flashing SU in twrp? Also, when 4.4 came out, I found myself checking the forum daily for a new root exploit, reading up on things, and overall just being very anxious for it. Again, that's time I could have spent doing other things if I had had the DE.
Thus, as it has been with many other decisions in my life, I will have to go the path of function over form. I am pretty set on getting the DE now (unless in the next couple days a Droid 5 is confirmed XD miss my physical keyboard). I'll just get that SUPCASE that was posted above, as I think the black/black variant looks rather nice, and will cover up the white that I don't like. Plus, there's an excuse for protecting my phone, eh?
Even if I just end up running Eclipse on it anyway, I think I like knowing that when 4.4.2 and eventually other versions of android come out, I will be able to root immediately and easily. And if custom roms continue to make progress, I'll have those options as well.
Plus, I was also reading there's a tutorial for removing the backplate, and backplates have shown up on ebay.
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I got a Moto Maker version, and while I love the phone, I do sorta regret not getting a Dev Edition. I haven't bothered to root my phone, since this phone is so fantastic on its own (and I figured out how to restore app data), but it would be nice to unlock the bootloader in case I wanted to try some ROMs.
That being said, personally, I think stock Moto X is superior to CyanogenMod (which I have on other devices). And there isn't any real bloatware (since you can always Disable it).
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Hi there - I have a DE on the way and my wife has a Moto Maker on the way. What's the best way to restore app data on an MM device?
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Hi there - I have a DE on the way and my wife has a Moto Maker on the way. What's the best way to restore app data on an MM device?
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Here is my article in how to restore without root.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2604423
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MikeyNick said:
t's not challenging, just time consuming. Why spend an hour or two doing that when I could spend 10 minutes flashing SU in twrp?
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If it takes "you" an hour or two to root this phone, it's probably best that "you" not attempt it yourself. It's as simple as downloading a few files, reading some instructions, then typing them in letter for letter.
If you have enough time to browse and post on this forum, you have enough time to root this device. Took me all of 15 mins.
rsage said:
Hi there - I have a DE on the way and my wife has a Moto Maker on the way. What's the best way to restore app data on an MM device?
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Moto Migrate.
nhizzat said:
Moto Migrate.
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As far as I know, MM only migrates photos, videos, texts, calls, etc., but not app data like saved games, shared preferences, etc. I could be wrong, haven't tried it
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If it takes "you" an hour or two to root this phone, it's probably best that "you" not attempt it yourself. It's as simple as downloading a few files, reading some instructions, then typing them in letter for letter.
If you have enough time to browse and post on this forum, you have enough time to root this device. Took me all of 15 mins.
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Unless "you" simply look at commands and then type them, i don't think that's a 15 minute process. I think it is safe to assume that a majority of people like to understand the risk of a new root exploit. You're telling me when the telnet exploit came out for the very first time, it took you 15 minutes? I for one like to read about the potential risks, how the exploit works (best to stay informed, eh?), others' experiences with it thus far, etc. I don't think that's an atypical pattern. Yea, now that I've read about it and already know it, I can brush through a re-root quite quickly, but unless you're just going into a blind I don't think running a new exploit is a 15 minute process in most cases.
Sorry if that sounded a little disgruntled. I just couldn't help but get a "you don't seem good enough to muss about with your phone" vibe from that. Perhaps I should have been a little more particular, and mentioned that i was thinking more along the lines of the first time you run a new root exploit.
I battled myself on this for a while and ended up going with the dev edition. I couldn't decide on what color scheme I wanted so I said f it and went dev.
Note 2 N3BULIZED!
sonofevil77 said:
I battled myself on this for a while and ended up going with the dev edition. I couldn't decide on what color scheme I wanted so I said f it and went dev.
Note 2 N3BULIZED!
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Haven't ordered yet, and now maybe reconsidering all together after the lenovo news.
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Haven't ordered yet, and now maybe reconsidering all together after the lenovo news.
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The Lenovo deal wouldn't stop me. I went through the IBM PC division sold to Lenovo, and have been using Thinkpads since about 1995. They haven't screwed up the Thinkpads after all this time, so I'm hopeful they don't screw up the Moto devices.
Yea, I've been doing a lot of reading on it. Strong arguments on both sides. Either way, I suppose even if they do muss about with stuff, we'll definitely get 4.4.2. Who knows if future updates might have some bloat on them, or how long it'll take to get them. But with the developer edition, I guess that's much less of a concern. Plus, considering how popular this phone has been, it's hard to believe anyone would want to drop good support for it.
Still have till the third to decide, since that's when my code is valid through XD
Like the title says, is the Verizon Wireless Dev Edition worth the extra $50 for the unlocked bootloader and additional 16gb?
Coming from moto devices with locked bootloaders (Droid 1, 3, Razr Maxx) you would think it would be an easy answer because of the unlocked bootloader the Dev Edition has. Just want to make sure if it's really worth it, as this will most likely be my last Moto device (Thx to Lenovo).
Do you want a warranty if you plan to unlock? Do you need the 32gb or is 16 good?
I don't see any other need for discussion ....its what you need. No one here can guess what you need?
But my quick answer ...soley based on the fact that 50 is not a huge amount of cash....yes. I'd get it for sure if I could have. Why not?
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Do you want root without having to jump through hoops and ladders, hoping that someone finds an exploit after each OTA? If so then yes, the extra cost (which is just for the extra 16gb) isn't that much in the big picture and is definitely worth the convenience if you are a root/rom user.
Also, I don't think Lenovo is going to ruin Motorola like everyone is thinking they are, but that's for a different topic.
For me yes. I don't want a device that I cannot unlock the bootloader.
It's the same price as a non-DE 32 GB Moto X. The real question is, "what's more important for you: a custom-designed phone or an unlockable bootloader?" For me, the decision was easy, I took the DE and bought a diztronic case to cover the white back.
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Like the title says, is the Verizon Wireless Dev Edition worth the extra $50 for the unlocked bootloader and additional 16gb?
Coming from moto devices with locked bootloaders (Droid 1, 3, Razr Maxx) you would think it would be an easy answer because of the unlocked bootloader the Dev Edition has. Just want to make sure if it's really worth it, as this will most likely be my last Moto device (Thx to Lenovo).
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Yes it is.
kj2112 said:
Do you want a warranty if you plan to unlock? Do you need the 32gb or is 16 good?
I don't see any other need for discussion ....its what you need. No one here can guess what you need?
But my quick answer ...soley based on the fact that 50 is not a huge amount of cash....yes. I'd get it for sure if I could have. Why not?
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Keeping the warranty while unlocked would be nice. I currently have a 64gb external + 16gb internal on my Razr Maxx, so I probably will need all the space possible.
I just wanted to hear some opinions of people, if think it's worth it or not and why.
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Do you want root without having to jump through hoops and ladders, hoping that someone finds an exploit after each OTA? If so then yes, the extra cost (which is just for the extra 16gb) isn't that much in the big picture and is definitely worth the convenience if you are a root/rom user.
Also, I don't think Lenovo is going to ruin Motorola like everyone is thinking they are, but that's for a different topic.
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Dev Edition comes rooted???
I really hope Lenovo doesn't, no one really knows. They could keep the Motorola name going for a few years and just get totally rid of it by slapping the name "Lenovo" on future moto hardware.
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It's the same price as a non-DE 32 GB Moto X. The real question is, "what's more important for you: a custom-designed phone or an unlockable bootloader?" For me, the decision was easy, I took the DE and bought a diztronic case to cover the white back.
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All my phones have been protected with an Otterbox, never have been naked so there wouldn't be a point in getting a custom one.
How good is a diztronic compared to an Otterbox?
Thanks guys for your comments. I'll be ordering a Dev Edition later today, it's going to be hard letting go of my OG Razr Maxx.
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How good is a diztronic compared to an Otterbox?
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If you're an otter box guy, you'll want to stick with that brand. I have always gone case-less, but just can't stomach the white back on the DE. The diztronic is merely for looks -- I can't imagine it would be of any use if the phone were dropped.
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Dev Edition comes rooted???
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No, but it's about as easy as rooting a Nexus device (unlock the bootloader via Motorola's website, flash a custom recovery, then flash SU). And you get to keep your warranty.
Without the DE, you cannot unlock the bootloader, and to get root you need to downgrade to 4.2.2 and run an exploit which involves executing some scripts via telnut. And once the next OTA comes out, it's likely this method will be patched and you'd need to wait for another exploit to be found.
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No, but it's about as easy as rooting a Nexus device (unlock the bootloader via Motorola's website, flash a custom recovery, then flash SU). And you get to keep your warranty.
Without the DE, you cannot unlock the bootloader, and to get root you need to downgrade to 4.2.2 and run an exploit which involves executing some scripts via telnut. And once the next OTA comes out, it's likely this method will be patched and you'd need to wait for another exploit to be found.
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Other Moto x's can have unlocked bootloaders...except a couple. You just void warranty.
Just to be clear.
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Yes tho...if he gets an ordinary Verizon ....he can't unlock boot loader. Boo Verizon. Lol
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If the back is an issue just buy a new back off of eBay. They are pretty easy to get on and off.
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rda990 said:
....it's going to be hard letting go of my OG Razr Maxx.
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I had a Razr MAXX and don't miss it at all. The Moto X is a much better phone. It won't match the battery life of the MAXX, but its worth the trade-off.
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If you're an otter box guy, you'll want to stick with that brand. I have always gone case-less, but just can't stomach the white back on the DE. The diztronic is merely for looks -- I can't imagine it would be of any use if the phone were dropped.
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Yea I'll just stick to Otterbox then. It's amazing how many times I've dropped my Razr Maxx (honestly over 100) and it's still running strong. My first Otterbox case started to show heavy signs of wear and tear so I got a brand new one from Otterbox thanks to their lifetime warranty :good:
detonation said:
No, but it's about as easy as rooting a Nexus device (unlock the bootloader via Motorola's website, flash a custom recovery, then flash SU). And you get to keep your warranty.
Without the DE, you cannot unlock the bootloader, and to get root you need to downgrade to 4.2.2 and run an exploit which involves executing some scripts via telnut. And once the next OTA comes out, it's likely this method will be patched and you'd need to wait for another exploit to be found.
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Very easy I see. I thought that with every OTA even on the DE you have to re-root. So on a DE/Unlocked Bootleader SU/Root stays permanently, thanks for clarifying.
Mr. Orange 645 said:
I had a Razr MAXX and don't miss it at all. The Moto X is a much better phone. It won't match the battery life of the MAXX, but its worth the trade-off.
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I might miss it more since I paid ~$500 for the Limited Edition (Employee Edition) one, so to me it is much more than just a Razr Maxx, dumb I know...How different is battery life between the too? I would think that the X would hang in there with the Droid regardless of battery size since the Maxx is 2 years old.
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I might miss it more since I paid ~$500 for the Limited Edition (Employee Edition) one, so to me it is much more than just a Razr Maxx, dumb I know...How different is battery life between the too? I would think that the X would hang in there with the Droid regardless of battery size since the Maxx is 2 years old.
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With the MAXX I could easily get 24+ hours with 5.5-6 hrs screen on time with heavy use. Some people on here have been able to get close to that with their X, but I'm getting closer to 3.5-4 hrs of screen on time.
As always you're mileage may vary.
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Very easy I see. I thought that with every OTA even on the DE you have to re-root. So on a DE/Unlocked Bootleader SU/Root stays permanently, thanks for clarifying.
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Well you do have to re-root after an OTA (assuming you haven't made system changes so that you can even take it) just like a Nexus, but it's still simply just reflashing a custom recovery and the SU zip. The bootloader stays unlocked.
For me yes its worth it. Rooting a non-Dev edition, looks like too much monkey business for me to be involved in. And I do like the extra 16gb.
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For me yes its worth it. Rooting a non-Dev edition, looks like too much monkey business for me to be involved in. And I do like the extra 16gb.
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Rooting any unlocked x is the same.
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rda990 said:
Yea I'll just stick to Otterbox then. It's amazing how many times I've dropped my Razr Maxx (honestly over 100) and it's still running strong. ...
Very easy I see. I thought that with every OTA even on the DE you have to re-root. So on a DE/Unlocked Bootleader SU/Root stays permanently, thanks for clarifying. .
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If you're going with a case, then the woven white back of the DE vs. customization of the moto maker version is off the table.
That brings it down to how much do you need root? and how easy do you want the root process to be.
Yes, you need to re-root for every OTA. To root in the first place, you flash a custom recovery (like TWRP), then flash/install SuperSU. To get ready for the next OTA, as long as you didn't touch system files, etc, just flash the stock recovery back on, take the OTA. Once its on there, re-root by flashing custom recovery then flash/install SuperSU.
I for one wanted root enough to purchase the Dev X for Verizon in early Nov, just two days before the first price drop. I don't regret it. Its easy to root, easy to put back to take OTA and re-root. And has 32gig (the 16gig version only had 11gig available to me out of the box which was not enough).
$50 for 16 GB was enough for me. The bootloader that is easier to unlock made the cost even more justifiable. I really don't care what my phone looks like as long as it is not gaudy, so the color choice, or lack thereof, didn't really bother me.
My only complaint with the phone is the current lack of development. Coming from a Galaxy Nexus toro, I knew there wouldn't be as much development, but it's drastically less. There have been no official releases from CM or AOKP which still baffles me.
The phone just isn't that popular for some crazy reason.....boo Google....hopefully the new guys turn Motorola around. Also the things that make the Moto x unique are gone on CM. So demand is low. Xposed fills the gap nicely tho.
Voiding warranties unlocking non dev boot loaders probably adds to the lack of interest too.
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So, I'm very new to the android community, and that being said, a total virgin as well to the rooting community. About a week and 1/2 to about 2 weeks ago, I went into AT&T, and purchased a second gen. Motorola X. I love it, I'm an IOS native, and android definitely seems to be for me, plus my 4S was shattered, and has been for the past 10-11 months, so needless to say this was huge upgrade. I was always jailbroken, and I'm not so modestly put, very good with computers. However, for whatever you needed with jailbreaking, there was a huge community behind you whom had likely the same device as you, and had similar wants/needs, who already made an inquiry as public information. Maybe I'm just being ignorant. Is there a root available for the new Moto X running 4.4.4? I haven't found anything saying necessarily that there was or wasn't for that version, or how to do it if there was one, so if anyone had any sort of clarification they could bring to the table, or general tips or information they could offer up, I would appreciate it immensely .
-Joe Lennon Phillips
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So, I'm very new to the android community, and that being said, a total virgin as well to the rooting community. About a week and 1/2 to about 2 weeks ago, I went into AT&T, and purchased a second gen. Motorola X. I love it, I'm an IOS native, and android definitely seems to be for me, plus my 4S was shattered, and has been for the past 10-11 months, so needless to say this was huge upgrade. I was always jailbroken, and I'm not so modestly put, very good with computers. However, for whatever you needed with jailbreaking, there was a huge community behind you whom had likely the same device as you, and had similar wants/needs, who already made an inquiry as public information. Maybe I'm just being ignorant. Is there a root available for the new Moto X running 4.4.4? I haven't found anything saying necessarily that there was or wasn't for that version, or how to do it if there was one, so if anyone had any sort of clarification they could bring to the table, or general tips or information they could offer up, I would appreciate it immensely .
-Joe Lennon Phillips
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Is it an unlocked version? If so, then yes root is available. Check the Moto X Android Development forum and you'll find guides for the same
jdlpjoe said:
So, I'm very new to the android community, and that being said, a total virgin as well to the rooting community. About a week and 1/2 to about 2 weeks ago, I went into AT&T, and purchased a second gen. Motorola X. I love it, I'm an IOS native, and android definitely seems to be for me, plus my 4S was shattered, and has been for the past 10-11 months, so needless to say this was huge upgrade. I was always jailbroken, and I'm not so modestly put, very good with computers. However, for whatever you needed with jailbreaking, there was a huge community behind you whom had likely the same device as you, and had similar wants/needs, who already made an inquiry as public information. Maybe I'm just being ignorant. Is there a root available for the new Moto X running 4.4.4? I haven't found anything saying necessarily that there was or wasn't for that version, or how to do it if there was one, so if anyone had any sort of clarification they could bring to the table, or general tips or information they could offer up, I would appreciate it immensely .
-Joe Lennon Phillips
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As far as I know, there is no root yet available for non Pure edition Moto Xs. Have faith in the community and give it a bit of time, surely there will be a root method soon enough. If you paid full price for yours as opposed to buying it on contract, you could always return it and get a Pure edition directly from the motomaker website. It has zero AT&T bloat, an unlockable bootloader so you can root it right away, and it will most likely get updates quicker than any of the carrier branded models.
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As far as I know, there is no root yet available for non Pure edition Moto Xs. Have faith in the community and give it a bit of time, surely there will be a root method soon enough.
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Any variant that has an unlockable bootloader can be rooted using the Pure Edition method.
borxnx said:
Any variant that has an unlockable bootloader can be rooted using the Pure Edition method.
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Yeah, I was only taking into consideration the AT&T and Verizon models, because aside from the Pure, those are the only other ones available in the US. But you are correct, if the bootloader is unlockable then the root method is the same.
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Yeah, I was only taking into consideration the AT&T and Verizon models, because aside from the Pure, those are the only other ones available in the US. But you are correct, if the bootloader is unlockable then the root method is the same.
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You're forgetting US Cellular! XT1093 unlockable bootloader FTW!
borxnx said:
You're forgetting US Cellular! XT1093 unlockable bootloader FTW!
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There's a U.S. Cellular branded one? I completely forgot they still existed lol.
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I'm sure your all aware of the overwhelming support afforded such a cheap and quite frankly a poorly designed phone in my opinion as the Moto E5. I had the misfortune of deciding on moto E5 cruise, Which is the same exact device as the play and the other witty adverbs they concocted to describe this very basic phone. Its not like basically the same phone it is the same exact ******* phone..
The Irony of this is that, the only reason I bought a Motorola is that they have absolutely no problem with you rooting our own device that you purchased with your own hard earned money. Which is very kind of them. My last phone was a bargain galaxy from track phone the J3 Luna pro aka sm-s327vl aka unrootable device. If you did a search on the sm-s327vl you know what came up...….nothing that's what nothing. A thread on xda which consisted of 6 or 7 guys *****ing about how they couldn't root their tracphones.. The phone before that was the infamous ZTE ZMax Pro, which anyone out there that had one will tell you was at least for a year or two another rootless device. Not only was the bootloader locked, fastboot was disabled. A few guys from xda of all places came up with. A script that relied on a temporary root via kingroot, witch king root would root the devices from anywhere from 2 min to a few hours eventually the phone would reboot itself and you'd loose the root. The Idea was to open the adb shell, you could gain root privilege and disable write protection to install Su.
I'm sorry, I really digressed this right. So the moral of me rootless tale is that there has to be a way to work around this. So I figured I would ask the pros. Advise would be greatly appreciated, maybe a point in the right direction. Or Is the E5 cruise discrimination something that will change with time? Different carrier policies is something [one of many] that I'm afraid I know very little about.
I wanna thank you all for you time and patience as you read through this . Thank and have a great day
Sincerely rootless in Cleveland
I picked up the Moto E5 Supra aka Moto E5 Plus?.. (i think) This is a great phone for the money, just looking to get some custom rom/root stuff going... Hope we see more info here for us. Which model do u have exactly?
chriz80 said:
I'm sure your all aware of the overwhelming support afforded such a cheap and quite frankly a poorly designed phone in my opinion as the Moto E5. I had the misfortune of deciding on moto E5 cruise, Which is the same exact device as the play and the other witty adverbs they concocted to describe this very basic phone. Its not like basically the same phone it is the same exact ******* phone..
The Irony of this is that, the only reason I bought a Motorola is that they have absolutely no problem with you rooting our own device that you purchased with your own hard earned money. Which is very kind of them. My last phone was a bargain galaxy from track phone the J3 Luna pro aka sm-s327vl aka unrootable device. If you did a search on the sm-s327vl you know what came up...….nothing that's what nothing. A thread on xda which consisted of 6 or 7 guys *****ing about how they couldn't root their tracphones.. The phone before that was the infamous ZTE ZMax Pro, which anyone out there that had one will tell you was at least for a year or two another rootless device. Not only was the bootloader locked, fastboot was disabled. A few guys from xda of all places came up with. A script that relied on a temporary root via kingroot, witch king root would root the devices from anywhere from 2 min to a few hours eventually the phone would reboot itself and you'd loose the root. The Idea was to open the adb shell, you could gain root privilege and disable write protection to install Su.
I'm sorry, I really digressed this right. So the moral of me rootless tale is that there has to be a way to work around this. So I figured I would ask the pros. Advise would be greatly appreciated, maybe a point in the right direction. Or Is the E5 cruise discrimination something that will change with time? Different carrier policies is something [one of many] that I'm afraid I know very little about.
I wanna thank you all for you time and patience as you read through this . Thank and have a great day
Sincerely rootless in Cleveland
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mentathf said:
I picked up the Moto E5 Supra aka Moto E5 Plus?.. (i think) This is a great phone for the money, just looking to get some custom rom/root stuff going... Hope we see more info here for us. Which model do u have exactly?
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I have the moto e5 cruise, I have some bad news bro.....Theres no unlock for your device either at the moment. from what I can tell the e5 is not supported at all by the the unlock bootloader program. I don't understand how everyone is unlocking the play. there has to be another way to unlock it without the code. but
I cant get an answer from anyone. All I do know is there's all kinds of support for the e5 from roms to recoveries, but its all unofficial. So there has to be an alternate unlock method. If its out there, Ill find it, and I'll post it here, cuz I'm not an as****e. Its painfully obvious that none of these fu***** snobs are gonna answer me they haven't yet is the 10 months I've been coming to this site....at least their consistant
Yeah, I switched from crappy tmobile to cricket. I got an e5 cruise for free but I mainly use an older nexus 5 with an oreo rom. I'm getting my lg g5 h830 sim unlocked so I can use it on cricket. But I'd really like to be able to root this e5 cruise phone.
Tha ka man I'll so the same.
Same boat here. Need to unlock bootloader. If I would of known this before hand I would of never gotten this Cricket e5 Cruise.
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unlocked
i just unlocked at $19.99
Sampson1244 said:
i just unlocked at $19.99
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Where??
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MicroMod777 said:
Where??
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am i allowed to share link here?
What type of unlock is this? A Sim unlock? Or does it enable a bootloader unlock?
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What type of unlock is this? A Sim unlock? Or does it enable a bootloader unlock?
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a sim unlock
still no unlock?
pretty sure this is a step towards redundancy but here is goes.......
Is there still no way to unlock the bootloader on the moto e5 cruise??
i realize it is basically a cheap phone but it is functional and would be much better if root could be attained.
any response would be great, a solution even better. thanks in advance guys
Bootloader unlock
chriz80 said:
I'm sure your all aware of the overwhelming support afforded such a cheap and quite frankly a poorly designed phone in my opinion as the Moto E5. I had the misfortune of deciding on moto E5 cruise, Which is the same exact device as the play and the other witty adverbs they concocted to describe this very basic phone. Its not like basically the same phone it is the same exact ******* phone..
The Irony of this is that, the only reason I bought a Motorola is that they have absolutely no problem with you rooting our own device that you purchased with your own hard earned money. Which is very kind of them. My last phone was a bargain galaxy from track phone the J3 Luna pro aka sm-s327vl aka unrootable device. If you did a search on the sm-s327vl you know what came up...….nothing that's what nothing. A thread on xda which consisted of 6 or 7 guys *****ing about how they couldn't root their tracphones.. The phone before that was the infamous ZTE ZMax Pro, which anyone out there that had one will tell you was at least for a year or two another rootless device. Not only was the bootloader locked, fastboot was disabled. A few guys from xda of all places came up with. A script that relied on a temporary root via kingroot, witch king root would root the devices from anywhere from 2 min to a few hours eventually the phone would reboot itself and you'd loose the root. The Idea was to open the adb shell, you could gain root privilege and disable write protection to install Su.
I'm sorry, I really digressed this right. So the moral of me rootless tale is that there has to be a way to work around this. So I figured I would ask the pros. Advise would be greatly appreciated, maybe a point in the right direction. Or Is the E5 cruise discrimination something that will change with time? Different carrier policies is something [one of many] that I'm afraid I know very little about.
I wanna thank you all for you time and patience as you read through this . Thank and have a great day
Sincerely rootless in Cleveland
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I have a theoretical solution.
If my laptop were working I'd have already tried it.
For the exact same hardware, you can install the firmware that does support unlocking the bootloader.
Start with the bootloader it's self, then go from there.
As far as I know, you can flash factory firmware with a locked bootloader...
The secondary bootloader checks the signature of the boot.img, so if it's different than the original, flashing it first wouldn't work.
After unlocking the bootloader, flash the original firmware back to your phone.
Bootloader should stay unlocked.
Please let me know if it works for you, and if you run into any issues.
I may be able to lend a hand.