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I realize there is another thread about an OTG cable that does work with the Nexus 7, but after 3 or 4 posts, it has digressed into discussing what to plug into the OTG and what to use instead of OTG.
As I struggled to find any confirmation of a device I could buy in the UK that DID work with the Nexus 7, I thought I'd make this thread. At the same time, I also bought a USB OTG adapter that does NOT work with the Nexus 7, so thought I'd let you know of that one too. I would like to request that people use this thread to show USB OTG's that they have confirmed as working with the Nexus 7 and also those that do not work.
For those OTGs that are working, please indicate what tests you have done as well as where you purchased it (links please). Please try to refrain from discussing / recommending devices to plug into the USB OTG unless it's to say you have confirmed it as working with the USG OTG and Nexus 7.
DOES work with Nexus 7 -
http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B005FUNQXS/ref=oh_details_o00_s00_i00
I can confirm that the following work on the Nexus 7 with this Adapter -
- USB Keyboard plugged into Adapter
- USB mouse plugged into Adapter
- USB mouse and USB keyboard plugged into (self powered) USB HUB, and HUB plugged into adapter
- USB Memory Stick (pendrive as some call them) as long as the Nexus 7 and Google Nexus are ROOTED and have a utility called StickMount installed (from Google Play Store)
- USB Dongle for Wireless Keyboard (with built in trackball), plugged into Adapter. Nexus 7 picks up both mouse and keyboard
I have confirmed that my wireless keyboard (with trackball) works great with this USB OTG Adapter
Does NOT work With Nexus 7 -
http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B007TOK1V8/ref=oh_details_o03_s00_i00
The eKit 4 in 1 Connection Kit For Samsung Galaxy S2, work fine for me!
Not tried keyboard or mouse. But SD card and USCB stick work ok.
http://www.mobilefun.co.uk/ekit-4-in-1-connection-kit-for-samsung-galaxy-s2-p34143.htm
Does work (not UK, I know): http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B005GGBYJ4/ref=oh_details_o05_s00_i00
Motorola Camera Connection Kit cable. High quality, heavy duty, built to exacting specifications of the usb standards.
Sadly, runs about $19.xx and change.
If I didn't already have this one, I too would have randomly chosen one of the chinese knockoff cables that are only $2.xx.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B005QX7KYU/ref=oh_details_o02_s00_i00
Works with USB storage, keyboard and mouse.
Ordered two different USB-OTG cables from Amazon. Only the second one, SANOXY USB 2.0 Female to Micro USB Male OTG, has come in. Took 12 days from shipping confirmation email to end user delivery.
SANOXY Micro USB Host Mode OTG Cable Flash Drive SD T-Flash Card Adapter FOR Samsung GT-i9100 i9100 Galaxy S II 2 GT-N7000 Galaxy Note
SANOXY USB 2.0 Female to Micro USB Male OTG(On-The-Go) Cable Adapter for Samsung Galaxy s2 i9100
The SANOXY USB 2.0 Female to Micro USB Male OTG cable works fine. I've detailed my experiences in the External Storage Device Compatibility Review thread in this forum.
As I've mentioned in several other USB-OTG threads. The SANOXY USB 2.0 Female to Micro USB Male OTG cable I received is shorter than the one pictured at Amazon. See attached.
Isn't this thread already about this? http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1787991
Just recieved couple dongo that I had ordered last week from Amazon.ca, they both don't work with my N7 tablet. Their info. at below.
Also ordered couple Micro USB OTG to USB 2.0 Adapter -- from Eforcity (not arrive yet). Hope they will work.
Today TURNS CORPORATION, trading on Amazon as YELLOWKNIFE CABLE, shipped item(s) in your order, placed on August 01, 2012
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The following items were sold by and shipped from TURNS CORPORATION in package 1 of this shipment:
2 of USB A 2.0 female to Micro USB B male Connector Adapter
I have a Motorola OTG Cable and confirm it works for and also videos to show them in action:
Downloading images from Camera: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XVub5mw7JdM
Controller Canon Camera with Chainfire App: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G7sS-n4yH5o
Keyboard Mouse Combo: http://youtu.be/vgyQpoxZhoE
USB Hub for Multiple USB Devices: http://youtu.be/EN5_kJjKT5o
Keyboard: Refer to Hub (directly above)
Mouse: Refer to Hub (2 up)
USB Sticks with Appropriate App or Linux Command: (haven't made video yet)
PS3 Controlller: http://youtu.be/qcpexaM0JyI
Xbox Wireless Controller (Needs Root): http://youtu.be/9czISrLGXNI
clockcycle said:
Isn't this thread already about this? http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1787991
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Yes there is. There are several threads in this forum as well as the Q/A and General forums related to USB-OTG cables,and what works and what doesn't with them. Just as there are multiple threads about the same case (Blurex for example) running in this forum. Just as there are several threads ongoing about POGO pins and the Dock accessory.
Give it a few days and someone else will start a new thread or two asking the same questions... :laugh:
This one works... http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B005M390S8/ref=oh_details_o03_s00_i00
But the micro USB connection is extremely loose and flimsy on my Droid 4, and on my Nexus 7.
http://www.amazon.com/T-Flash-Adapt...TF8&qid=1344186320&sr=1-1&keywords=sanoxy+otg
this one is dirt cheap and should works too
weaselchops said:
The eKit 4 in 1 Connection Kit For Samsung Galaxy S2, work fine for me!
Not tried keyboard or mouse. But SD card and USCB stick work ok.
http://www.mobilefun.co.uk/ekit-4-in-1-connection-kit-for-samsung-galaxy-s2-p34143.htm
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I have that one and the fit is a little looser than I would like with the nexus 7 and slight nudge may make it lose the connection with the nexus 7, it doesn't completely fall off but just out enough to lose the connection . Maybe its because in essence you put the thing in backwards? It fits snugly in my galaxy s2.
Is yours the same?
clockcycle said:
Isn't this thread already about this? http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1787991
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Yes, and as i said in FP, after 4 or 5 posts, it diverted to discussing what to plug into the OTG. Also, this thread notifies of OTG cables NOT working with Nexus 7
testaccount said:
http://www.amazon.com/T-Flash-Adapt...TF8&qid=1344186320&sr=1-1&keywords=sanoxy+otg
this one is dirt cheap and should works too
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Please stick what you have confirmed as working or not working and not what SHOULD work.
Anyone find a small card reader that works? I got a bunch of microsds lying around that I wouldn't mind using on this. (Even found a class 10 8GB SD in school one day )
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Anyone find a small card reader that works? I got a bunch of microsds lying around that I wouldn't mind using on this. (Even found a class 10 8GB SD in school one day )
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smaller: http://www.amazon.com/elago-Mobile-...=itemasin0f-20&keywords=micro+usb+card+reader
bigger: http://www.amazon.com/SanDisk-SDDR-...485286&sr=8-15&keywords=micro+usb+card+reader
i have both and they work with a OTG cable
@uberNoobZA, i have bought it from different sellers from that page, the one i have on hand from when it was a dollar something works fine, now that its about 60 cents i ordered a few more, hoping they are the same thing
Does work: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B005FUNYSA/ref=wms_ohs_product
Plugged a flash drive and PS3 controller into it, both work.
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Anyone find a small card reader that works? I got a bunch of microsds lying around that I wouldn't mind using on this. (Even found a class 10 8GB SD in school one day )
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Not small and can't confirm if it works myself but just linking it
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B008CQKM2U/ref=oh_details_o00_s00_i00
This one works, and under 1$ w/free shipping....
http://www.amazon.com/Micro-USB-OTG...8-1&keywords=Micro+USB+OTG+to+USB+2.0+Adapter
Anyone know if any of these adapters work through the dock?
Was thinking of getting this as it does mention Android but that's not very specific or doesn't really mean much
http://www.monoprice.com/Product?c_id=103&cp_id=10314&cs_id=1031403&p_id=11195&seq=1&format=2
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Anyone know if any of these adapters work through the dock?
Was thinking of getting this as it does mention Android but that's not very specific or doesn't really mean much
http://www.monoprice.com/Product?c_id=103&cp_id=10314&cs_id=1031403&p_id=11195&seq=1&format=2
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http://www.amazon.com/BobjGear-Ethernet-Ultrabooks-ChromeOS-Included/dp/B007RTACDM?tag=twnene-20
did some googling to see if it was possible, and this one will work. first review said you can use it through settings without an app. The one you posted should work the same way.
Thanks for the reply, that was my thought so I ordered it anyway.
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In case anyone was wondering, this just got delivered.
I plugged it into the Dock and right away in the notification it says Ethernet port is detected. I plugged in a cable and it works right away.
Now I can get internet in our crappy other offices.
Very happy especially for $15.
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In case anyone was wondering, this just got delivered.
I plugged it into the Dock and right away in the notification it says Ethernet port is detected. I plugged in a cable and it works right away.
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Is this the adapter from Monoprice, or the one from Amazon?
EDIT: Actually, I just noticed that the one on Amazon is 100M rather than 1G ethernet, so I assume you went with Monoprice.
elborak said:
Is this the adapter from Monoprice, or the one from Amazon?
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Monoprice
Only $15
You need to stick to something with the AX88772 chipset. The AX88178 might work - mixed danswers around the web on that one. Definately don't get anything with the SMSC LAN7500 chipset either. Stay far away from the AX88179. I bought a StarTech with that chipset and it did not work in any Android device I have.
Finally I bought the one Asus makes one for $19.99 on Amazon - has the AX88772 and works just fine (the Asus connect dock for the TF201/300/700's has that chip in it too so I knew it would work - took mine apart to find out what was in it).
Sleeepy2 - Is that adapter USB 2.0 or USB 3.0 ?
The reason that I asked - on monoprice.com written USB 3.0 and the the color of socket - really blue.
But on ebay from the same seller USB 2.0. From Amazon - BobjGear-Ethernet - USB 2.0
Cadstar - Same things, I bought from Gigabit usb 3.0 - chipset AX88179 - working with Win 7..8 and linux , but not android and Asus tf701
Not really sure, any idea how I can check?
1. The type A connection (the "standard" USB connection that plugs into your computer), should be blue, like: media.bestofmicro.com/USB3-SuperSpeed-external-storage,4-B-252875-13.jpg
2. Speed. You really can feel it if you copy few giga via cable.
Well it is blue and it seems fast. The sticker on it also says USB 3 so I will go with yes it is
Thanks, I intend to buy.
Maybe someone will be useful.
My old Trendnet TU2-ET100 h/w: 3.0 (AX88772 chipset) works great in our device!
Speed Ethernet even slightly higher than over WiFi
Possible reasons:
1. Samsung figured that MOST people don't take advantage of the USB 3.0 transfer speeds.
2. It requires extra hardware = needing to stuff more stuff into the phone.
3. Higher production cost.
4. Some rumor that the USB 3.0 caused charging issues? (Complete joke, because it worked perfect for me.)
Please add on to the list if you have more info...
Personally I wish they had kept the USB 3.0 as I'm one of those who actually took advantage of it. At least they somewhat off set it with the 50% charge in 30 minutes.
Is it just me or does the USB 3.0 just add that extra premium feel? Thicker cable, faster transfer speeds...just more beefy looking with the performance to back it up.
I despise connecting a phone to pc. with cords and usb connecting, Entire process seems tedious and sloppy. On the rare occasions i do connect, i usually try to capitalize on opportunity to get a quick charge in the process.
Maybe they just had a space issue on the board.
Whatever the reason I thoroughly dislike having to buy new usb cables, and otg cables for my travel dac and usb drives.
And the data transfer speed will suffer, when transferring ROMs downloaded on a PC first.
I think so too.
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Maybe they just had a space issue on the board.
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I would lean towards cost savings, since Note 4 is actually little bit bigger than Note3 and it's not like they made it waterproof or something, to fill up the extra space (Galaxy S5 has USB3 BTW). I'm disappointed, even if I was never going to use it, cutting features on the flagship device is not the way I would like Samsung to go, what else are they going to cut in the next model? This supposed to be top of the line model filled with newest tech, if they keep on doing it I may as well buy some cheap chinese knock off, it will also have all the basic features, most people use. Actually I was hoping they'll actually fix that USB 3, so it's auto detecting not getting rid of it, very disappointed, almost as much as the phone not being waterproof.
I can see your point, because as an USB 3.0 user, not being able to transfer Gigs at a time in a few seconds is going to be greatly missed. In theory I think they could have just kept it without sacrificing anything else really. Heck, it's already proven to be true for the Note 3. So that's out of the question.
I'm not worried about Samsung cutting things in the future. They may learn from this misfit and hopefully our slaps will reach them to where they won't do something like this again LOL.
All in all... I am 90% satisfied with the Note 4. The USB 3.0 really weight 10% for me because I use it on a daily basis.
pete4k said:
I would lean towards cost savings, since Note 4 is actually little bit bigger than Note3 and it's not like they made it waterproof or something, to fill up the extra space (Galaxy S5 has USB3 BTW). I'm disappointed, even if I was never going to use it, cutting features on the flagship device is not the way I would like Samsung to go, what else are they going to cut in the next model? This supposed to be top of the line model filled with newest tech, if they keep on doing it I may as well buy some cheap chinese knock off, it will also have all the basic features, most people use. Actually I was hoping they'll actually fix that USB 3, so it's auto detecting not getting rid of it, very disappointed, almost as much as the phone not being waterproof.
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Serious question here. I have an S5 and when I copy files with the USB 3 cable to my computer with a USB 3 port, I see no noticible difference between it and USB 2. Does anyone actually notice anything?
I would expect the note 5 to be back to usb 3 (3.1 actually) and use usb type c
http://www.pcworld.com/article/2686...-deliver-displayport-audio-and-video-too.html
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aooga said:
Serious question here. I have an S5 and when I copy files with the USB 3 cable to my computer with a USB 3 port, I see no noticible difference between it and USB 2. Does anyone actually notice anything?
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You are right!
There is no difference at all, I tested it using a stop watch with a file of
two gigabytes and had the same results in speed with usb 2.0 or 3.0.
Also I really dislike the extra wide 3.0 connector which usb 3.0 requires.
aooga said:
Serious question here. I have an S5 and when I copy files with the USB 3 cable to my computer with a USB 3 port, I see no noticible difference between it and USB 2. Does anyone actually notice anything?
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I'm not sure if they fix it in GS5, but on Note 3 USB3 wasn't autodetecting, you had to go to settings and manually switch to USB 3 mode, really stupid way, since some tablets had it autodetecting a while ago and most people won't even know about it. Of course I'm assuming you're using USB3 port on your computer. Also how fast is your SD card? Phone memory is fastest. Charging from computer port is faster on USB3 also, I tested it long time ago I think it was almost twice as fast.
Thanks for clearing this up. I almost fell to the floor laughing of the thought of some thinking that USB 3.0 and USB 2.0 are of the same LOL.
Although a little cumbersome, all you have to do is flip the switch. Easy. Done deal.
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I'm not sure if they fix it in GS5, but on Note 3 USB3 wasn't autodetecting, you had to go to settings and manually switch to USB 3 mode, really stupid way, since some tablets had it autodetecting a while ago and most people won't even know about it. Of course I'm assuming you're using USB3 port on your computer. Also how fast is your SD card? Phone memory is fastest. Charging from computer port is faster on USB3 also, I tested it long time ago I think it was almost twice as fast.
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pete4k said:
I'm not sure if they fix it in GS5, but on Note 3 USB3 wasn't autodetecting, you had to go to settings and manually switch to USB 3 mode, really stupid way, since some tablets had it autodetecting a while ago and most people won't even know about it. Of course I'm assuming you're using USB3 port on your computer. Also how fast is your SD card? Phone memory is fastest. Charging from computer port is faster on USB3 also, I tested it long time ago I think it was almost twice as fast.
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Nope...no setting. And I don't use SD cards.
If they could implement it properly then I'd want it more but it was a half-ass implementation on the previous phones so I don't really miss it.
I don't care why they did it I'm just pissed that I got a bunch of cables I can't use now. When I switch devices my whole family switches to that device so now I have tons of USB 3 cables around the house and now we can't use them. At the very least I hope they will release the wireless charging back for us that have been taking advantage of it.
Im guessing the exclusion of USB3 had something to do with the fast charge system. Maybe heat, price who knows. The Note 4 has the option to use 9V at 1.6amps
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xcom923 said:
I don't care why they did it I'm just pissed that I got a bunch of cables I can't use now. When I switch devices my whole family switches to that device so now I have tons of USB 3 cables around the house and now we can't use them. At the very least I hope they will release the wireless charging back for us that have been taking advantage of it.
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Don't worry about the usb 3 0 cables, they are not proprietary and they are and
will be perfectly usable with any of the external usb 3.0 portable hard drives.
No worries. Just save them for the Note 5 and beyond. :good:
xcom923 said:
I don't care why they did it I'm just pissed that I got a bunch of cables I can't use now. When I switch devices my whole family switches to that device so now I have tons of USB 3 cables around the house and now we can't use them. At the very least I hope they will release the wireless charging back for us that have been taking advantage of it.
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You know, you're right. This is in theory the best reason in my books. Maybe the fast charge system took the place of the USB 3.0 hardware. Only one or the other type of thing. But can we have both the icing and the cake? Maybe next time...
In reality though, although I am a heavy USB 3.0 user, most people would take the fast charge over the USB 3.0 any day. I know I know....it is what it is until we can get both.
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Im guessing the exclusion of USB3 had something to do with the fast charge system. Maybe heat, price who knows. The Note 4 has the option to use 9V at 1.6amps
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+1, it's not like you will never have use for them again. It's highly likely you will get back to using them again in about 10 months? We'll see...
Misterjunky said:
Don't worry about the usb 3 0 cables, they are not proprietary and they are and
will be perfectly usable with any of the external usb 3.0 portable hard drives.
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I have tried 'A1 SD Bench' to test my Note 8 with a 512GB Samsung T3 SSD.
The best results I can get is:
Read: 33.42MB/s
Write: 35.57MB/s
I have tried the following connections:
- Direct USB-C to USB-C
- Note 8 <-> USB-C all-in-one hub <-> USB-A to USB-C cable <-> Samsung T3 SSD
- Note 8 <-> Original Samsung USB-C to USB-A female <-> USB-A to USB-C cable <-> Samsung T3 SSD
Any ideas how to get full USB 3.1 transfer speeds?
From what I understand, I might be wrong, but I read that the USB type c port on the Note 8 is USB 2.0
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jcip17 said:
From what I understand, I might be wrong, but I read that the USB type c port on the Note 8 is USB 2.0
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It's actually USB 3.1, you're probably thinking of the fast charge version which is vs 2.0
louforgiveno said:
It's actually USB 3.1, you're probably thinking of the fast charge version which is vs 2.0
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Hey Lou! Ok thanks for the correction! The phone charges pretty slow compared to our note 4... That's one of my big gripes
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jcip17 said:
Hey Lou! Ok thanks for the correction! The phone charges pretty slow compared to our note 4... That's one of my big gripes
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It charges slow but it's very consistent at temperature management. The device does not heat up like the ones using other fast charge technologies. I just read a comparison article and Samsung's version is definitely not the fastest, but it's definitely one of the cooler ones.
Fast Charge Comparison
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It charges slow but it's very consistent at temperature management. The device does not heat up like the ones using other fast charge technologies. I just read a comparison article and Samsung's version is definitely not the fastest, but it's definitely one of the cooler ones.
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I* skimmed through that but Samsung fast charge is exynos correct?
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IIRC from another thread, the USB-C cable that comes in the box is a USB 2.0 cable. Maybe try a different one?
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Hey Lou! Ok thanks for the correction! The phone charges pretty slow compared to our note 4... That's one of my big gripes
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Oh no, that's terrible!! Cause my note 7 is the fastest charging phone I've ever had and to hear it's slower than the note 4 damn....note 7 charge from 15% to full in about 35-45 minutes....maybe less never timed it but love how i can forget to charge overnight, wake up plug in and its done by the time I'm out of the shower......ugh
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Oh no, that's terrible!! Cause my note 7 is the fastest charging phone I've ever had and to hear it's slower than the note 4 damn....note 7 charge from 15% to full in about 35-45 minutes....maybe less never timed it but love how i can forget to charge overnight, wake up plug in and its done by the time I'm out of the shower......ugh
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I hope my phone is defective lol. Can anybody relate? It's about 200 mAh bigger than the note 4's removable battery so maybe that's the increase in time? I feel like any percentage I plug in it's 1hr and change until full, even at 40%*
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Huh? I am confused, I find my Note 8 charges faster than any phone I have ever had and that includes the Note 7, really I can go from about 20% to 100% in about 20 minutes or less.
cmwade77 said:
Huh? I am confused, I find my Note 8 charges faster than any phone I have ever had and that includes the Note 7, really I can go from about 20% to 100% in about 20 minutes or less.
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The OP isn't asking about charging speed, he's asking about data transfer over USB.
I have USB 3.0 and 3.1 type A ports on my desktop PC and using a 3.1 Type C to Type A cable it's very clearly much faster than using the cable in the box, which does appear to be usb 2.0 wired.
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Huh? I am confused, I find my Note 8 charges faster than any phone I have ever had and that includes the Note 7, really I can go from about 20% to 100% in about 20 minutes or less.
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Wtf my phone is broke
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Wtf my phone is broke
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To be clear you'll only recognize the "fast charge" with screen off. Always on display is fine though.
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To be clear you'll only recognize the "fast charge" with screen off. Always on display is fine though.
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Yeah I rarely use my phone when it is charging. I use pushbullet on my computers so I wont miss a text or call. I compare the charging speeds of Note 8 to the Note 4 in the morning charging. The Note 8 will not be charged in an hour whereas the Note 4 easily did it. Sorry OP. I'm done.
That brings the question: how do you tell which cable is really wired for USB 3? And what's the difference? Wires have to be the same, is it just shielding? I would imagine due to higher frequency, if signal is not clear it would negotiate lower transfer rate?
I have couple USB wires from Note 7, maybe those are better made?
And is the phone really capable of accepting data anywhere near full USB 3 speeds?
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That brings the question: how do you tell which cable is really wired for USB 3? And what's the difference? Wires have to be the same, is it just shielding? I would imagine due to higher frequency, if signal is not clear it would negotiate lower transfer rate?
I have couple USB wires from Note 7, maybe those are better made?
And is the phone really capable of accepting data anywhere near full USB 3 speeds?
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Quality cables have the correct USB symble by USB type. Quick Google search will bring up examples
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Quality cables have the correct USB symble by USB type. Quick Google search will bring up examples
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One example. There's more examples if you search. Best to also buy from a reputable source.
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I found an article that states USB-C hubs downgrading speeds to USB 2.0 so I guess thats one of the main reasons the DEX is also limited to 2.0 speeds.
https://gtrusted.com/samsung-galaxy-s8-seems-to-downgrade-usb-3-1-hubs-speeds
I however cannot get USB 3.1 speeds even when using a direct USB-C to USB-C link.
If the Note 8 is not capable of utilizing the full speed of USB 3.1 speeds then I'm quite disappointed.
One of things I really wanted to do was backup DSLR pics from SD cards to SSD rapidly without a laptop whilst on travel.
Are you using a 3.1 capable cable?
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Are you using a 3.1 capable cable?
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It turns out the USB-C to USB-C cable I got is not usb-3.1 spec:
https://www.amazon.co.uk/d/B06Y4N4K9Z
The USB-C to USB-A cable I got that came with the Samsung T3 SSD is definitely USB3.1 spec so Samsung USB-C to USB-A female adapter is probably USB2.0 speeds.
And according to the article going through a hub also limits the connection to USB2.0 so I'll either need a new USB-C to USB-C 3.0 cable or USB-C to USB-A 3.0 female adapter to do further testing.
By the way, yes, it is a very real and weird coincidence that my previous updates were always on the 11th of a month as well.
Update 3 (September 11, 2022):
I used the CalDigit SOHO Dock for a real purpose for the first time. I used its HDMI port to hook up to my 4K LG TV, and I wanted to charge the tablet at the same time as I knew it would be drawing a lot of power.
I used the USB-C cable that was included (~1 foot) with the CalDigit SOHO Dock to go from the Dock's output USB-C port to the tablet.
I tried both the 6-foot Anker Powerline+ II and the 3.3-foot JSAUX cables to go from the Anker 736 100W charger to the CalDigit SOHO Dock's USB-C charge port.
I had a 6-foot HDMI cable going to the TV (I also tested it with a 10-foot HDMI cable just to see, and it also worked fine).
The HDMI display worked fine, other than that the TV cut off the very top and bottom of the image, but it didn't cause many problems, especially with the tablet in Samsung DEX mode. In non-DEX mode, I couldn't see the status bar at all, although using my Bluetooth mouse, I was still able to pull the notification shade down just fine without seeing the top.
However, I had a problem with the charging. The tablet was still losing power faster than it was charging, although it definitely was charging some. I played musical chairs with the USB-C cables and found that the short USB-C cable that CalDigit included, which I believe I had read from their website should handle the dock's maximum of 100W, was the culprit. I know the tablet can only charge at a maximum of 45W, and I know that you can only achieve 45W charging if you're using Samsung's own charger that you have to buy separately, but eliminating CalDigit's USB-C cable out of the equation solved the charging problem. Note that I had hardly touched the Dock since I bought it, except for some basic tests just to make sure it worked, so I doubt if their included cable became damaged - and it was still working for HDMI delivery, just not for a high-enough wattage charging at the same time.
I'm currently using the 3.3-foot JSAUX cable from the dock to the tablet, and the 6-foot Anker between the Anker charger and the dock.
Update 2 (May 11, 2022): Ordered the following:
2x Anker Powerline+ II USB C Cable, USB C to USB C (6ft, 60W) USB-IF Certified Cable, Type C Charging Cable, Fast Charge for MacBook Air, iPad Pro, iPad Air 4, Galaxy, Pixel, and More(Red)
Update 1 (April 11, 2022): Ordered the following:
CalDigit USB-C Gen2 10Gb/s SOHO Dock - Up to 4K 60Hz, HDMI 2.0b, HDR, DisplayPort 1.4, 10Gb/s USB A & USB C, UHS-II microSD and SD Card Readers, Bus Power and Passthrough Charging Support
and
JSAUX USB C to USB C 3.1 Gen 2 10Gbps 100W Cable [3.3ft/1M], [email protected] Monitor Video Cable Thunderbolt 3 Compatible with MacBook Pro, MacBook, MacBook Air, iPad Pro, Pixel and More Type-C Devices-Blue
For USB ports, the dock only has one USB-A port (and one USB-C port available when charging), but I think most of the time this will be enough. Note that the dock manufacturer's site has video and charging firmware updates (from a year ago). I did update my dock to the latest firmware when I received it. As of September 11, 2022, v1.2.7 from December 2021 is still the most recent.
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I intend this thread for anyone to share their experiences with various USB-C hubs they try with their Tab S8 variants, or even what others are looking for in a hub. I'll be getting a Tab 8 Ultra, but it's estimated it'll be another month and a half (~ April 15th) before I receive my pre-order.
Myself, I'm looking for some hopefully not compromised but not break the bank USB-C hub. If a hub had all the features I list below, I'd consider paying more for one.
Features I've been researching for:
A removable Power Delivery (PD - I believe 3.0 is the latest) USB-C cable, preferably higher power for other or future devices, but 45W minimum. I don't like hubs that have a built-in cable. In one way they're convenient, but a) they're short, and 2) if something happens to that cable, you might as well toss that whole device unless you want to start electrically and mechanically modding it. If I find a hub that matches all my other "wants" below, then an attached cable might not be a deal killer, as long as it's a rugged type, and preferably longer but even without being longer or rugged, I'd consider it as a last resort.
Has at least 1x USB-A 3.2 Gen 2 port (10 Gb/s).
Has at least 1x USB-C 3.2 Gen 2 data port or faster. So the device would have the cable going to the Tab 8, a Power Delivery cable powering both the hub and Tab 8, and yet another place for a USB-C 3.2 Gen 2 or faster data connection.
A gigabit ethernet port.
At least one HDMI port.
A MicroSD port - I know the Tab 8 Ultra already has a MicroSD port, and I'll likely keep a card in it, but I still want to be able to access another one natively (not through an additional USB adapter connected to the hub).
It would be nice to have a DisplayPort as well, but I'd consider a hub without one.
A 3.5mm audio port would also be nice. Not necessarily a deal-killer without one, but in lieu of one, I'd require at least one additional USB-C port of any type specifically for using USB-C headphones, although I'm willing to test my USB-A ->USB-C adapter, which works fine with my USB-C headphones on my desktop PC.
I'd prefer either at least a well-known brand (like Anker), or if not well known, then I'd prefer to buy either at a local brick and mortar store like Micro Center, Best Buy, OfficeMax, or even Walmart if I must, or at Amazon.com for easy returns if there's an issue early on.
We'll see if I've forgotten something in this list.
You can safely assume I've already done a lot of looking already, but certainly not uber-exhausted every option.
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https://www.amazon.com/Anker-PowerExpand-Adapter-Delivery-Ethernet/dp/B08NDGD2V5 is the one I've been considering. I think it checks all your boxes. I have a smaller Anker USB-C dock, but it has no ethernet and I've been thinking of upgrading.
skrowl said:
https://www.amazon.com/Anker-PowerExpand-Adapter-Delivery-Ethernet/dp/B08NDGD2V5 is the one I've been considering. I think it checks all your boxes. I have a smaller Anker USB-C dock, but it has no ethernet and I've been thinking of upgrading.
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From what I can tell, that one is limited to USB 3.0 (5 GB/s). If it had USB 3.2 Gen 2 (10 Gb/s) I wouldn't hesitate even though it's got the attached cable - at least the cable is ruggedized.
I don't see it on Anker's site so I think it's an old model - might be from before 3.2 Gen 2 was available. They have a model 341 which is much cheaper although doesn't have an ethernet port, and at the same price as that 11-in-1, you can get a newer model that has the 10 Gb/s ports, although no DisplayPort - only HDMI.
It looks to me that the only Anker hubs and docking stations that support at least 10 Gb/s are their model #s in order of the most expensive at the top to lease expensive at the bottom, with the bolded one being the best compromise that I've found so far:
Docking stations - I think the distinguishing feature to separate them from Anker's hubs is that they aren't USB-C powered (I'll add that to my list). That said, I'm not clear if any of them can be alternatively USB-C powered, or at least do so with a limited set of capabilities.
777 (12-in-1) - sold out on Anker's site, available elsewhere but at fairly crazy prices.
575 and 577 (both 13-in-1) - in stock, but although cheaper than the crazy prices for the 777, still fairly crazy.
Hubs:
655 (8-in-1) - Definitely slightly ruggedized built-in cable, in addition to that cable's convenient L-shape, plus an easy place to plug it into to stash when not plugged into a device. Fits most of the bills except only has one USB-C port, which would be in use for powering it and charging your device. Maybe it's possible to at least use some of the features of the device without powering it separately, but I want to be able to power it/charge my Tab 8 and use a data USB-C port at the same time. Definitely a compromise contender. I wish it had one more USB-C port I could dedicate to data or USB-C headphones while still powered/charging.
555 (also 8-in-1) - built-in cable not ruggedized, so to me, not worth the lesser price. I've used non-ruggedized Anker cables before, and I don't recommend them for something that's going to be plugged and unplugged repeatedly, although I do highly recommend Anker in general - especially their ruggedized stuff.
There is also another "old" Anker PowerExpand 6-in-1 with ruggedized cable, but has the two special caveats of not have a MicroSD slot (only full-size, so would always need an adapter), and no ethernet port.
The Anker 655 and 555 are the only ones with a USB 3.2, though you're unlikely to have any accessories that take advantage of that.
Anker 655 - https://www.amazon.com/Anker-Delivery-Ethernet-microSD-Charcoal/dp/B09MF6TJLW
Vs the one I linked above, on the 655 you lose out on displayport, only get 2 USB-A instead of 3, and no USB-C at all other than the power delivery input. Maybe they'll make a refreshed version of the 11 in 1 with USB 3.2 at some point.
Pluggable makes a great one that has everything you want including a 3.2 A and 3.2 C port - https://plugable.com/products/tbt3-udz . . . . . . but it's $339!
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The Anker 655 and 555 are the only ones with a USB 3.2, though you're unlikely to have any accessories that take advantage of that.
Anker 655 - https://www.amazon.com/Anker-Delivery-Ethernet-microSD-Charcoal/dp/B09MF6TJLW
Vs the one I linked above, on the 655 you lose out on displayport, only get 2 USB-A instead of 3, and no USB-C at all other than the power delivery input. Maybe they'll make a refreshed version of the 11 in 1 with USB 3.2 at some point.
Pluggable makes a great one that has everything you want including a 3.2 A and 3.2 C port - https://plugable.com/products/tbt3-udz . . . . . . but it's $339!
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Yeah, that Pluggable's price definitely is in my "scary expensive" range. It looks like it does require an AC/DC power brick, though, so it's not powered by USB-C either.
I'm definitely coming across some interesting hubs - some even with both detachable & rugged included USB-C cables, but then they don't support any higher than 5 GB/s and/or some other things. I know I expect too much, but I keep hoping to at least find something with all but one of my preferences. LOL!
To think outside the box for a minute, I'm pretty sure I could use two PD hubs, one connected through the other, to get most if not all the features I'm looking for, but I doubt if I'm ready to go down that road of variables.
After bunches more research, I'm leaning heavily towards the Anker 655, at least until/if I need something even better, or something to augment the solution if I really need more ports later on. Let us know if you proceed to get any, and what you think of it.
Out of curiosity, what USB thingee are you plugging in that needs > 5gbit / USB 3.0 speed?
Edit - I honestly like the Anker 555 over the 655. You lose the 3.5mm audio jack, but gain a USB-C for $20 less. Not sure if USB 3.1 gen 2 vs 3.2 makes a difference to you. They're both 10gbit.
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Out of curiosity, what USB thingee are you plugging in that needs > 5gbit / USB 3.0 speed?
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Some of my faster USB-A flash drives, and if I can find an extra USB-C port solution (or use an adapter for USB-A 3.2 Gen 2 -> USB-C 3.2 Gen 2) I'd also like to be able to plug my Pixel 6 Pro into the tablet - if one will see the other properly and be able to access its storage fine.
Another possibility I've been considering is a USB-C monitor. If there's ever a time it would be handy to have an external even larger than the 14.6-inch monitor, it might be most efficient to get one that is both powered by and data connected solely via one USB-C connection. No idea if they make PD USB-C monitors - I'm pretty sure they have USB-C monitors with an extra USB port or two on them. Overkill for just a hub, but would be handy if I really needed an extra monitor.
I do have a cheap USB 3.1 Gen 2 (technically the same as 3.2 Gen 2) male USB-A -> female USB-C adapter. It works great for my USB-C headphones, but I haven't tested its data speed capabilities yet. I doubt, though, if such an adapter would work for a USB-C monitor. Heck, I wouldn't be surprised if a USB-C monitor wouldn't work through any hub or docking station that wasn't made with that use specifically in mind.
Pixel 6 Pro's USB port is only USB Type-C 3.1 Gen 1
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Pixel 6 Pro's USB port is only USB Type-C 3.1 Gen 1
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Ah yes, thank you. I think I had read that but forgot. Is there any official source for that information (a link)?
Disregard, found the answer on my own previous thread LOL! https://forum.xda-developers.com/t/...en-2-on-the-pixel-6-pro.4350777/post-85815357
@skrowl this is an interesting one, although still doesn't have an extra USB-C port nor a ruggedized cable, but check it out.
Dell USB-C Mobile Adapter – DA310
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What makes any of you think that there's anything in the S8 Ultra pipeline that could possibly come close to testing the limits of USB 3.2 Gen. 1? I think Gen. 2 is totally irrelevant.
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What makes any of you think that there's anything in the S8 Ultra pipeline that could possibly come close to testing the limits of USB 3.2 Gen. 1? I think Gen. 2 is totally irrelevant.
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Although I am motivated to buy a hub as a result of my pre-ordering the Tab S8 Ultra, even if its USB-C port is also limited to 3.1/3.2 Gen 1, I would still prefer a 3.2 Gen 2 hub as there may be other devices in the next five years which would employ 3.2 Gen 2 or faster, that I would also want to use the hub with.
I don't plan on buying another hub for at least five years unless there is a very strong reason to - such as USB 4.0's fastest generations and Thunderbolt 4+ compatibility - if I manage to obtain any combination of devices and accessories that will support the same fast speed.
I can even do speed tests and comparisons if I get a Gen 2 hub, as I have a non-PD/non-charging much simpler USB-C 3.0 hub that I got for free several years ago. For all intents and purposes, USB 3.0 is the same as 3.1 Gen 1 and 3.2 Gen 1, and all three are rated at 5 Mb/s. There are so many factors that can affect speed, I'll certainly be curious what the result is, but as I said, even if a Gen 2 hub won't be faster with my current devices' bandwidth limits, that may change.
roirraW edor ehT said:
Although I am motivated to buy a hub as a result of my pre-ordering the Tab S8 Ultra, even if its USB-C port is also limited to 3.1/3.2 Gen 1, I would still prefer a 3.2 Gen 2 hub as there may be other devices in the next five years which would employ 3.2 Gen 2 or faster, that I would also want to use the hub with.
I don't plan on buying another hub for at least five years unless there is a very strong reason to - such as USB 4.0's fastest generations and Thunderbolt 4+ compatibility - if I manage to obtain any combination of devices and accessories that will support the same fast speed.
I can even do speed tests and comparisons if I get a Gen 2 hub, as I have a non-PD/non-charging much simpler USB-C 3.0 hub that I got for free several years ago. For all intents and purposes, USB 3.0 is the same as 3.1 Gen 1 and 3.2 Gen 1, and all three are rated at 5 Mb/s. There are so many factors that can affect speed, I'll certainly be curious what the result is, but as I said, even if a Gen 2 hub won't be faster with my current devices' bandwidth limits, that may change.
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Much agree with your forward-looking analysis, and only meant to clarify that the speed advantage isn't relevant to mobile phones at this time. Also, it is indeed infuriating that the standards committee mindlessly keeps rebranding the USB tiers with no rhyme or reason, as if trying to punish consumers and damage retail sales.
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Much agree with your forward-looking analysis, and only meant to clarify that the speed advantage isn't relevant to mobile phones at this time. Also, it is indeed infuriating that the standards committee mindlessly keeps rebranding the USB tiers with no rhyme or reason, as if trying to punish consumers and damage retail sales.
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Yeah, the USB 4 naming structure, even worse than 3.x, is frustrating.
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Also, it is indeed infuriating that the standards committee mindlessly keeps rebranding the USB tiers with no rhyme or reason, as if trying to punish consumers and damage retail sales.
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USB 3.1 Gen 1 is basically the EXACT same as USB 3.0, but it sounds much cooler from a marketing perspective!
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USB 3.1 Gen 1 is basically the EXACT same as USB 3.0, but it sounds much cooler from a marketing perspective!
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And here's the irony: your correction is actually out of date. USB 3.1 Gen. 1 doesn't exist anymore. Now it's USB 3.2 Gen. 1.
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And here's the irony: your correction is actually out of date. USB 3.1 Gen. 1 doesn't exist anymore. Now it's USB 3.2 Gen. 1.
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Not entirely correct. Out of date, yes, as the current spec is USB4, but....
USB 3.1 was indeed absorbed into 3.2; whereas 3.1 had two variants, Gen1 and Gen2, 3.2 has three - Gen 1 for 5Gbps, Gen 2 for 10Gbps, and Gen 2x2 for 20Gbps. Thunderbolt is mechanically and electrically compatible with USB type C, and is compatible with USB 3.1/3.2, but supports 40Gbps.
There's a lot of 1.x and 2.0 devices still in use, and contemporary hardware is still being sold with Type A connectors alongside Type C/Thunderbolt connectors....
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Not entirely correct. Out of date, yes, as the current spec is USB4, but....
USB 3.1 was indeed absorbed into 3.2; whereas 3.1 had two variants, Gen1 and Gen2, 3.2 has three - Gen 1 for 5Gbps, Gen 2 for 10Gbps, and Gen 2x2 for 20Gbps.
There's a lot of 1.x and 2.0 devices still in use, and contemporary hardware is still being sold with Type A connectors alongside Type C/Thunderbolt connectors....
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Disagree, but it's all fruitless/irrelevant as we agree. If not just by mere logical deduction, since USB 3.2 Gen. 1 is exactly the same as USB 3.1 Gen. 1 and USB 3.0 Gen. 1 as previously (hilariously) branded, then the last incarnation of the same tech is the final branding for that generation. USB 4.0 didn't "deprecate" 3.2, it's just the better (and currently almost non-existent) option.
I ordered the Anker 555 for my Tab s8. I know it might not meet all your requirements but I bought it because of the 4k 60hz hdmi output.
This Pluggable Dock just popped up on Amazon. It's expensive, but $100 off for launch discount https://www.amazon.com/dp/B09NQQ1G1N