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[Q] Captivate vs Xperia x10

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The Xperia 10 is OLD-GEN hardware (2009) it's been out in other places for a while.
The only pro you'll find is the Camera.
But it's ok if you like
-384mb of ram, instead of 512mb
-LCD instead of SUPERAMOLED
-Android 1.6 instead of 2.1 (soon to be froyo)
-9gb of storage (1gb internal, +8gb microsd) instead of 16+ micro
-Old bluetooth instead of 3.0
and finally a old gen snapdragon, instead of the best GPU/CPU on the MOBILE Market!
Not to mention, a six-axis sensor that you'll be mising out on.

DO NOT BUY THE X10. The captivate super amoled destroys the lcd, and sony is garbagse. They release a product and people rave about it for 2 months and then sony moves on to something else. This phone was supposed to come out 9 MONTHS AGO!! It didnt even get updated to 2.1, might get updated by december and dont even think about 2.2. Sonys ui sucks and it is very slow too. Only good thing about it is the camera and design

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I think the X10 UI is pretty, but it is slow. The X10 will be on 2.1 when we already have 2.2. Also the GS touch panel, with true 5 finger multi-touch, destroys the X10.
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Captivate has the better SAMOLED screen, with next gen multitouch sensors (ATMEL MAXTOUCH). These sensors can support up to 16 points of contact, but was toned down to 5 points on the Galaxy S devices. While you probably won't ever need 5 fingers on the screen, the ATMEL Maxtouch sensors are the best. Couple said sensors with the SAMOLED screen (which has no air gap between the glass and display), and you have one of the most sensitive screens on the market. It also has one of the fastest, if not the fastest chipsets available on any mobile device thus far. The only con, as you've pointed out, is the lack of flash and lower megapixel camera. Other than that, there really is no competition between the X10 and Galaxy S class phones.

novaIS350 said:
Captivate has the better SAMOLED screen, with next gen multitouch sensors (ATMEL MAXTOUCH). These sensors can support up to 16 points of contact, but was toned down to 5 points on the Galaxy S devices. While you probably won't ever need 5 fingers on the screen, the ATMEL Maxtouch sensors are the best. Couple said sensors with the SAMOLED screen (which has no air gap between the glass and display), and you have one of the most sensitive screens on the market. It also has one of the fastest, if not the fastest chipsets available on any mobile device thus far. The only con, as you've pointed out, is the lack of flash and lower megapixel camera. Other than that, there really is no competition between the X10 and Galaxy S class phones.
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To be quite honest, flash doesn't really do great for many situations.
It's been proven that the Galaxy S line has a "night mode" in the Native camera app that's really great!
http://www.tmonews.com/2010/07/is-the-samsung-vibrant-night-mode-a-worthwhile-replacement-to-flash/
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novaIS350 said:
Captivate has the better SAMOLED screen, with next gen multitouch sensors (ATMEL MAXTOUCH). These sensors can support up to 16 points of contact, but was toned down to 5 points on the Galaxy S devices. While you probably won't ever need 5 fingers on the screen, the ATMEL Maxtouch sensors are the best. Couple said sensors with the SAMOLED screen (which has no air gap between the glass and display), and you have one of the most sensitive screens on the market. It also has one of the fastest, if not the fastest chipsets available on any mobile device thus far. The only con, as you've pointed out, is the lack of flash and lower megapixel camera. Other than that, there really is no competition between the X10 and Galaxy S class phones.
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It's kind of like a car audio system. You can have the best components in the world, if they are not put together and tuned properly they will be worse than even the worst components.
Unfortunately, this is the current situation with the Captivate. It has some incredible hardware but a very poor software implementation.
The X10 may only have 1.6 at the moment but it's a much better build that what the Captivate is offering right now. Of course this is based on my personal experience with both devices.

mets3214 said:
DO NOT BUY THE X10. The captivate super amoled destroys the lcd, and sony is garbagse. They release a product and people rave about it for 2 months and then sony moves on to something else. This phone was supposed to come out 9 MONTHS AGO!! It didnt even get updated to 2.1, might get updated by december and dont even think about 2.2. Sonys ui sucks and it is very slow too. Only good thing about it is the camera and design
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Sorry but this is just bad information. The 2.1 update will be rolling out in September and this is confirmed by Sony. They have also confirmed 2.2 will be out by Q4. I would rather wait for a proper update from Sony than have the ridiculously buggy release of 2.1 on the Captivate.

Anyone sitting in this forum should probably be prepared to write off stock software at a moments notice anyways. The right rom in captivate and same on x10... Captivate wins with hardware. That and 1.6 isn't bad enough to forget the x10.
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I agree with what you are saying but custom roms are usually just mash up builds with components from existing builds and custom kernel builds. I am not convinced that will solve all the Captivate bugs. Any build more thorough is months away.
I would consider the Captivate again once all the bugs are fixed. In the meantime I need a device that works reliably.
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big thing also if you watch movies, sony dosent play the range of formats. or if you like a custom EQ
on another note my wife has a captivate thats rooted and with a lagfix and she has no problems.

naplesbill said:
It's kind of like a car audio system. You can have the best components in the world, if they are not put together and tuned properly they will be worse than even the worst components.
Unfortunately, this is the current situation with the Captivate. It has some incredible hardware but a very poor software implementation.
The X10 may only have 1.6 at the moment but it's a much better build that what the Captivate is offering right now. Of course this is based on my personal experience with both devices.
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The Captivate is plenty fast and very user friendly, I don't see anything wrong with the phone and it's "build" as it stands, even when you take into consideration that it has the lag and gps issues (somehwat blown out of proportion if you ask me). I myself have never noticed any of the aformentioned issues, so my experience with the device has been all positive. That being said, I don't like the TW UI (reminds me of my previous fruit branded device) so I installed launcher pro, and I preempted the lag issues by applying the lag fix and newer firmware. I'm not knocking the Xperia by any means, I'm just saying its not on even ground with the Galaxy S class devices.... that coming from my experiences with both devices as well.
I imported the X10 when it first launched and thought it was an ok device. Definitely wasn't worth the money I spent on it though. I then switched back to rotating between my iPhone and Blackberry 9700. Now that Im on a Captivate, I'm really glad I didn't jump ship for the EVO 4G. To each his own I guess.

novaIS350 said:
The Captivate is plenty fast and very user friendly, I don't see anything wrong with the phone and it's "build" as it stands, even when you take into consideration that it has the lag and gps issues (somehwat blown out of proportion if you ask me). I myself have never noticed any of the aformentioned issues, so my experience with the device has been all positive. That being said, I don't like the TW UI (reminds me of my previous fruit branded device) so I installed launcher pro, and I preempted the lag issues by applying the lag fix and newer firmware. I'm not knocking the Xperia by any means, I'm just saying its not on even ground with the Galaxy S class devices.... that coming from my experiences with both devices as well.
I imported the X10 when it first launched and thought it was an ok device. Definitely wasn't worth the money I spent on it though. I then switched back to rotating between my iPhone and Blackberry 9700. Now that Im on a Captivate, I'm really glad I didn't jump ship for the EVO 4G. To each his own I guess.
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Not to take away from your post but to say two devices with 4" screens, 1ghz processors and running Android are "not on even ground" is a rather dramatic and untrue statement. If you consider the overall experience, and especially the PC side software, then the Galaxy isn't even in the same decade in that area.
I am very glad you haven't noticed or experienced the issues that many others have. There was obviously a testing issue with Samsung or these devices would have never been sold with a malfunctioning GPS and severe lag that a 1ghz class device should definitely NOT have. The fact that you had to apply a lag fix says it all. I did not have to do that with the X10. Comparing datasheet specs is hardly the best indication of how well a device performs or whether it will meet your expectations. If it were that simple we would all just buy the same device. For me, the X10 performs better than the Captivate in day to day use. I could care less about some ridiculous benchmark that isn't a true indicator of real world performance. The Captivate could be amazing but it currently falls short of it's true potential. I personally believe it will take the dev community to fix it and that will take time. When that happens I may consider picking one up again. Until then I need something that doesn't shut off for no apparent reason.

lgald said:
However I am drawn to the xperia with its 8.1 camera with 16x zoom.
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That's a software zoom, right? No way there's an optical 16x zoom in any phone.
It's the same thing as if you just cropped the photo to "zoom in" on the part you want. Digital zoom is not zoom. And if the sensors are the same size, there's a good chance the extra 3 megapixels aren't doing much good, either, but I don't have the specifics there.

Interesting read on the X10 side of things.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=771400

the only reason not to go captivate is if you absolutely need a camera flash and some people do. but that galaxy s has about the best camera app ever. i can name a number of reasons to go with the captivate but only one reason for the x10. just my $.02
and for those who dont know, the lag issue is apparently due to the ahem, microsoft file system, maybe foolish of samsung but it does offer a convenience factor. i know little about the gps but it works better than my iphone did, and my aria wasn't any better. ok so it's not perfect, yet. i almost didn't get the captivate because i thought it was too nice and didn't want to go destroying a nice piece of hardware and not knowing how to fix it but it turning out to be a great phone to mod and i like that even if i know little about code. i still like to get my hands in something and "fix" it. but with out the fixxes and mods you may notice it hanging up alittle bit but mostly just a couple particular circumstances like adding shortcuts to the homescreen and running quadrant. even if the phones were "equal" as they may look on paper the amoled screen would sell it for me on it's own. but in the end, to each there own.

I've owned an X10 for about 3 months and owned a Captivate for a week. As soon as I got the Captivate I updated the firmware to JH3 + SRE + lagfix. The Captivate completely smashes the X10 for performance, screen, multitouch, UI, os version, call volume, storage, etc so I'll cover the only areas that could possibly make you consider taking an X10 over a Captivate.
Lag - With the ext4 lagfix on the Captivate I'm yet to notice any lag whatsover. The Captivate absolutely flies. Using them side by side the Captivate is way more fluid. I've seen the lag on a friends stock Galaxy S and I'd still take it over the performance of the X10 with 1.6. Don't even mention the performance of Timescape + Mediascape ugh.
Camera - The photolight on the X10 does close to nothing unless you are 1ft away from the subject. I'm not calling it a flash because you have to turn it on and off manually unless using a 3rd party app. IMHO the night mode on the Captivate is on par if not better. Plus the Captivate has 720p video recording while you'd have to wait until the end of the year to get it on the X10 (if ever)
GPS - In my experience the GPS on the captivate (with the GPS tweaks included in SRE) works fine when stationary but is close to useless when driving. I don't use the GPS much so I haven't bothered to try any other GPS fixes or tweaks. IMO if GPS is that big a deal for you get a Tom Tom. If they fix this the phone would be close to perfect.
Honestly you could own an X10 and be happy with it (once 2.1 is released anyway) but there's no way I'd chose it over the Captivate if I had a choice.

Engadget did a video review of it.
It ran really slow when scrolling through the person feature the phone has. Also the keyboard has quirks that make it close to unusable.
http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/22/sony-ericsson-xperia-x10-review/

Disappointed in Lollipop implementation by Samsung ( CameraV2 API, RAW support etc )

After a day playing with LP on the Note 4 I'm a bit disappointed in Samsung's implementation. For me, the wait for LP was actually only for core feature (as I was perfectly happy with KitKat); Better camera support with LP !! The Note 4 has pretty amazing camera hardware for a phone, which was under KitKat limited by the OS.
Well things have NOT changed with Lollipop. Still no shutter speed control, no support for RAW. It's not LP Camerav2 API compatible Not even with thirdparty camera apps, who do support this on lollipop on other devices. According some developers I spoke (for instance from Camera FV-5) this is because Samsung has been cutting corners (again?) with result that these enhanced options probably will never be available on the Note 4 devices. If they manage to work around it, it will be probably by the time I already have my S6 and Note 5. Yes I know its only a phone camera, but with more (manual) control you can create amazing effects and with RAW support touching up a picture is so flexible and easy in light-room or Photoshop.
Another annoying thing in KK was the recent app button lag. Its a little better but still it lags (I rather think this is touchwiz UI related and not Android related). Finally a crazy move of Google, is to remove the silent mode and replace it with a "partly" broken notification priority schema and Samsung made this even worse by removing scheduled priories from this new feature.
So yes, the phone feels a little snappier in use then when I was running KK, but this limited LP implementation is a bummer for everyone who uses the Note camera regularly. For me it's for sure not what I expected nor I had hoped for. Some other things that are not implemented in the Samsung's lollipop release is the Multi-user option and Ambient light option. Honestly I would have rather waited for a month (or two) to receive a proper (more complete and less bugs) Lollipop then what it is now
EDIT: FIX for recent apps button lag in TouchWiz props to @2000Hugo works on kk and lp
http://forum.xda-developers.com/note-4/help/fix-recent-apps-button-lag-touchwiz-lp-t3033000
my 2 cents

I was wondering when such a thread would show up, it was long overdue. ?

You already have an app in general section which can capture raw pics in kitkat itself, check it out if you want. This is the very first release it's not fair to talk about recent lag, hope they tweak it in subsequent releases
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marleyb said:
recent app button lag. Its a little better but still it lags.
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Yep, that is exactly and ALL I am disappointed in... Samsung seem incapable of making a phone that is as smooth as a Nexus 5, despite faster processor and more ram.
Mark.

iridaki said:
I was wondering when such a thread would show up, it was long overdue.
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Lol @iridaki Well its my point of view based on feedback from camera app developers I received today. But yes I'm quick on the money for sure

bala_gamer said:
You already have an app in general section which can capture raw pics in kitkat itself, check it out if you want. This is the very first release it's not fair to talk about recent lag, hope they tweak it in subsequent releases
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@bala_gamer I'm aware of that, but the the beauty is (or in case of the Note 4 rather was) that with LP this could be done straight from within the stock camera app (shutter speed too). The recent apps lag was already a problem in KK so honestly I think its more TW UI then android OS related. So yes I think it would be fair if they would have fixed this by now. (But I'm perfectly happy with a lagging recent app button too) Limited camera driver implementation is a whole other story. I think that ship is sailed already for the Note4

bala_gamer said:
You already have an app in general section which can capture raw pics in kitkat itself, check it out if you want. This is the very first release it's not fair to talk about recent lag, hope they tweak it in subsequent releases
Texted from Note 4
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Can you share the link or tell me the name?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/lg-g2/general/app-mi2raw-enables-capturing-real-raw-t2837089
I know mi2raw but only works with Sony IMX135 sensor.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2753946
Freedcam seems supported Samsung but the result may not good as OP stated and it is only for Qualcomm model, no Exynos.

Samsung not pushing updates? people unhappy. Samsung pushes updates? people unhappy.
Raw support? on a phone? if you know how to use raw and what its for, you most likely have a DSLR.
Complaints! Complaints everywhere ! :laugh:

marleyb said:
Well things have NOT changed with Lollipop. Still no shutter speed control, no support for RAW. Not even with thirdparty camera apps, who do support this on lollipop on other devices. According some developers I spoke (for instance from Camera FV-5) this is because Samsung has been cutting corners (again?) with result that these enhanced options probably will never be available on the Note 4 devices. If they manage to work around it, it will be probably by the time I already have my S6 and Note 5 (still a big IF) Yes I know its a phone camera, but with more control you can create amazing effects and with RAW support touching up a picture is so flexible and easy in light-room or Photoshop.
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I'm thinking to buy Note4 but no RAW and manual shutter really hurt me. Can you tell me is there night mode and portrait night available there in Lollipop? Because since 4.4 Samsung removed them(note2/note3) in the scene menu and only leave auto mode.
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mih3y said:
Samsung not pushing updates? people unhappy. Samsung pushes updates? people unhappy.
Raw support? on a phone? if you know how to use raw and what its for, you most likely have a DSLR.
Complaints! Complaints everywhere ! :laugh:
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That's not about complaints because RAW and manual shutter will be included on Galaxy S6 but considered Note4 is still very new and no reason to not implement it for us.
RAW is even a bit more important on camera phone because the white balance, exposure and jpg compression is just too bad implemented.

TheEndHK said:
I'm thinking to buy Note4 but no RAW and manual shutter really hurt me. Can you tell me is there night mode and portrait night available there in Lollipop? Because since 4.4 Samsung removed them(note2/note3) in the scene menu and only leave auto mode.
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To be fair, auto mode detects low light situations very accurately and the results aren't half bad, especially for a phone.

iridaki said:
To be fair, auto mode detects low light situations very accurately and the results aren't half bad, especially for a phone.
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Really I don't think so, it may be good for you and some other guys but not me. I've tested the Note4 today in a phone store and portrait night mode will only enabled in extreme low light environment and there is even still no pure night mode available.

mih3y said:
Samsung not pushing updates? people unhappy. Samsung pushes updates? people unhappy.
Raw support? on a phone? if you know how to use raw and what its for, you most likely have a DSLR.
Complaints! Complaints everywhere ! :laugh:
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Partly true, I don't have a DSLR but know my way in Adobe products. Shutter speed and f-stop control can be found on a 40 dollar camera and is basic photo making knowledge (don't have to be a rocket scientist to use it for great effects) In previous Android versions this was "as we all know" not possible due to limited hardware support from the camera API. One of the major improvements in LP is that this is now possible . Well it is on other LP devices, but not on the Note 4 and if my information is right (I'm no developer) it will not happen .

TheEndHK said:
Really I don't think so, it may be good for you and some other guys but not me. I've tested the Note4 today in a phone store and portrait night mode will only enabled in extreme low light environment and there is even still no pure night mode available.
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I have to agree totally on this

marleyb said:
Partly true, I don't have a DSLR but know my way in Adobe products. Shutter speed and diaphragm control can be found on a 40 dollar camera and is basic photo making knowledge (don't have to be a rocket scientist to use it for great effects) In previous Android versions this was "as we all know" not possible due to limited hardware support from the camera API. One of the major improvements in LP is that this is now possible . Well it is on other LP devices, but not on the Note 4 and if my information is right (I'm no developer) it will not happen .
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While it may now be possible in LP, I'm not surprised Samsung hasn't implemented these changes yet. These are great features but also very niche. Most users wouldn't care about them or even use them in everyday situations. As such, Samsung may very well implement them down the line (which would be great), but again for most people no one would notice them being there or not...so Samsung focuses instead on other priorities (like ensuring full functionality with Gear VR, which has the potential to make them a ton of money if it gets more mainstream, etc).

TheEndHK said:
Really I don't think so, it may be good for you and some other guys but not me. I've tested the Note4 today in a phone store and portrait night mode will only enabled in extreme low light environment and there is even still no pure night mode available.
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OK, I see the need for more control over camera modes.
However, I did not quite get what you're trying to say here. Do you own the Note 4 or you just tried a display model in a store? And if you do own the device, did you try it in a store environment? It's no surprise that night mode didn't kick in, stores tend to have lights on and whatnot. ?
I'm not arguing about how the lack of Night mode may be a drawback for some, I'm just not entirely sure you have tested the device properly enough to form such a strong opinion.

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iridaki said:
OK, I see the need for more control over camera modes.
However, I did not quite get what you're trying to say here. Do you own the Note 4 or you just tried a display model in a store? And if you do own the device, did you try it in a store environment? It's no surprise that night mode didn't kick in, stores tend to have lights on and whatnot. ?
I'm not arguing about how the lack of Night mode may be a drawback for some, I'm just not entirely sure you have tested the device properly enough to form such a strong opinion.
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Nope, you exactly get what I meant. Yes, I don't really have the device but I like to shoot photo with night mode to have the best quality during at indoor environment(most people would not do that so auto mode don't turn on but this is my personal preference). And Note4 seems to lack of pure night mode, even though the screen is completely dark, there is still only portrait night mode on.
I"m started to thinking about Galaxy S6 because RAW and manual shutter speed is implemented(so I can create a night mode myself) but it is just way over priced and excess my budget.

iridaki said:
OK, I see the need for more control over camera modes.
However, I did not quite get what you're trying to say here. Do you own the Note 4 or you just tried a display model in a store? And if you do own the device, did you try it in a store environment? It's no surprise that night mode didn't kick in, stores tend to have lights on and whatnot.
I'm not arguing about how the lack of Night mode may be a drawback for some, I'm just not entirely sure you have tested the device properly enough to form such a strong opinion.
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I don't think he has the Note 4 @iridaki and I agree a store environment is not the best place to test a phones camera. But I do own the Note 4 since release and I have to agree on the night mode. Also it's not only night shots that benefit amazingly from shutter and f-stop control. You can create more dept in landscape shots and nice effects with moving objects against a steady background too. They could do it with the Nexus devices with the LP upgrade (not fair to compare I guess) but also the One plus and LG could do it. So then I'm disappointed that Samsung left a (for me at least) major LP feature on the drawingboard instead of implementing it.
Oh this a pretty good article on what it should have been (and is on other LP devices)
http://www.anandtech.com/show/8274/understanding-androids-camera-hal3

TheEndHK said:
Nope, you exactly get what I meant. Yes, I don't really have the device but I like to shoot photo with night mode to have the best quality during at indoor environment(most people would not do that so auto mode don't turn on but this is my personal preference). And Note4 seems to lack of pure night mode, even though the screen is completely dark, there is still only portrait night mode on.
I"m started to thinking about Galaxy S6 because RAW and manual shutter speed is implemented(so I can create a night mode myself) but it is just way over priced and excess my budget.
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OK, so you don't own the device, therefore you cannot dismiss my personal opinion, because I have been using this phone for 3 months now and I've taken hundreds of photos with it in a variety of places and situations.
I understand you need Night mode and that is perfectly reasonable but posting in the forums of a device you do not own to say that its camera is not good enough for you, is a bit provoking.
I believe the S6 will indeed have an improved camera but I'm sure other devices available now and later will too. And I hope you'll be able to get one of them and be happy with it.
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I don't think he has the Note 4 @iridaki and I agree a store environment is not the best place to test a phones camera. But I do own the Note 4 since release and I have to agree on the night mode. Also it's not only night shots that benefit amazingly from shutter and f-stop control. You can create more dept in landscape shots and nice effects with moving objects against a steady background too. They could do it with the Nexus devices with the LP upgrade (not fair to compare I guess) but also the One plus and LG could do it. So then I'm disappointed that Samsung left a (for me at least) major LP feature on the drawingboard instead of implementing it.
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I am not saying that the lack of Night mode and shutter speed control couldn't be construed as drawbacks, I'm with you on that. It was more his attitude "It may work for you but not for me" which was very arrogant for someone who hasn't actually tried the device in everyday circumstances.
Anyway, I see the source of frustration and I agree that it'd be nice if Samsung had taken advantage of the new LP APIs.

I think that they've done a good job with Lollipop, everything works nice and smooth, the recent apps works perfectly fine for me...the only thing I dislike is that there is no animation when clicking the recent apps button while in an app...also camera works good, it's a shame there is no night mode but image stabilisation does the job pretty good(they should have added an option to turn it off or on though).

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A beauty behold !
It's been eight days I BOUGHT it
USED it for alot of time until now.
COLOR is Midnight Black (personally wanted this, although other colors were tempting too)
Things that necessarily require mentions:
Network Bands (4g,3g,2g)
The network strength is perfectly fine, the signal doesn't fool. It correctly takes the receptivity to the exact extent needed, you wont loose any even in remote areas. If an iphone user has a network strength like one bit in his notification bar, you too are having surely. So, here network isn't a problem with this phone.
The Weight
In today world, we could be of carrying any weights, but when it comes to the phones, the weight really matters. If it's above 180g, boy, take it in written, so much pain in hand, soo much when talking calls, soo much in holding it straight infront. Soo much in pocket too. This phone instead is only 149g, which is excellently lightweight. The utmost benefit would be for people who waited for a phone which had good specs and stands equal to others of its range aswell. For the lightweight phones preferring people, finally the wait is over
Body Built
A strong phone doesnt mean an awesome phone. A weak phone doesnt mean poor quality. Firstly, one should know there is no such thing like strong or weak in phones of major brands. It is purely specs that decide to the needs of people and make phones accordingly. This phone has Severely flaunting looks. Totally an eye catcher. The glass back is soo beautiful & makes you want to look at it rather than looking at the screen most of the time
Display Screen
The 18:9 ratio is more than you can ask for in this phone. I mean, you are getting a 428ppi screen, what more do you want expect that huge clarity and detail in this price range and phone screen This looks more crisp than the any other budget phones, i guarantee you baby, its 428ppi, you donno how good the screen gets when its 428. Most of the phones were 403ppi and looked already good enough. This is much better now.
Platform
You are not in line, like before a person or after a person. You are right next to each other, like holding hands. Which means, you are in such a thing called " Happiness comes in all sizes and quantities :victory:." Because, its HiSilicon Kirin 659 in all the phones of the honor budget class range. Which would benefit you highly in performing without causing any complexities. Games are good to play, if one knows how to tweak better, then it's kickass
Memory
4GB and 64GB, is more than enough and perfect. You wont require more for this processor and budget.
Camera
This is the core purpose of this phone. Damn, the photos are soo good, sooooo good that you will for the first time find yourself have a true "Wow" reaction on your face when you snap them. Selfies are great aswell. People mentioned alot in the comments session in major sellers websites that the nighttime shots are horrible in the rear camera. You should know one thing, you aren't carrying a DSLR or HandyCAM, its your phone. its primary utility was to communicate. You are wrong to expect it to do well in a lowlight location. Not even a DSLR with a flash can be capable of better picture quality. Even professionals use heavy lights for the good feel in a photo when movies are made. So, a phone you are expecting to do this night capable photography job is totally a myth. Think once, there is no point of expecting some heavy landscape photography over night. Even James Cameron would shoot his film in the day with soo expensive cameras. If still you arent happy then when it's night time you want to snap something, its not phone you require, that's surveillance camera you need to carry with yourself having night vision lens :laugh:
Sound
That's loud. You will be totally fine with it. Just as loud as it can fit in there. Music has clarity and crispness, bass isn't an element for music through speakers, earphones does the job well if someone needed bass.
Software
The Android 8.0 is soo well designed, it would understand your interests. Even would show you few that you wouldn't have imagined to find them in phone. There are all the modifications possibly existing in every popular custom ROM readily available in this honor phone stock ROM itself. The settings hold various toggles to change according to your liking. Below they are listed...
Huawei ID It takes care of backing up all the contacts, messages, calender and necessary stuff to the cloud provided by Huawei.
Wireless & Networks Lte, VoLTE configurations can be modified, data usage with specific networked apps is added advantage.
Apps & Notifications Apps to uninstall or disable, enable is available. Default apps, App twin & notification mods such as network meter, etc are here too.
Battery setting In this option, there is a power saving mode that can give you more than 4days standby if stuck to only few basic utilities with the phone.
Display setting Eye Comfort which can exchange color of screen to cool, warm feel. Screen resolution modification which is only in honor that enables to reduce screen density which can result in great power save.
Storage setting You get around 52GB free out of 64GB internal space. The RAM Management is nice too. There is always somehow 2.4GB RAM remaning in 4GB available though around 13apps are in the multitasking window. The software of honor does the RAM allocation very well for tasks processing.
Security & Privacy Fingerprints soo fast (0.25sec), file safe to hide files, App lock, Screen Pinning.
Smart Assistance setting Double tap to wake screen or lock screen.
System setting inside here, there are data transfer, backup & restore, reset, update, etc.
Themes These look soo beautiful and give a punchy look to the phone.
The Magazine Lockscreen This is the best part of the phone when you unlock, the pictures are soo beautiful that just by looking at them, your mind strikes at wow which really is relaxing and refreshing all the time you want them.
Navigation Buttons the onscreen buttons can be exchanged places from right to left which is way convenient for southpaw's.
Battery & Power Consumption
The moderate usage of phone can last a whole day, from 100% in the morning, you can use the phone till next day until same time u charged if you are only on 4g data usage and checking messages, attending calls, by then your battery will be around 10%. In the night, the percentage of drop in non usage is only 2% which is super less. The charging time is alot, but there's something honor's very concerned about, it takes alot of time to charge because, the module of charge input itself is designed by honor in such a way it takes charge slowly (Not to mistake as snail slow) to not spoil the battery life. Hence, this doesn't heat up phone very much. It keeps cool and does its job CooL without messing around. It takes 2hrs15min for full charge. This is same with many mobiles, almost 2hr15min is common with most mobiles.
Wifi, bluetooth, GPS, OTG are all working flawlessly too.
Frankly speaking, cost is soo low, quality we get is really good, more than pleasing for the price we pay for.
Mentions that need to be considered:
I know the camera in our phone is enough capable to get the exact software enhancements i find in HonorV10 Camera app. I clearly see honor is trying to limit these enhancements for the sake people would fall dull that they invested double the price and got exactly the same software loaded in half priced model (which is ours). Sure, many people might question this out. But, Please, middle class people require somebody to bother them. It's us who suffer the loss or gain equally and still keep calm without having no other choices rather than to convince ourselves we cant get more, nobody cares. The rich complain, they sue, you bother them. We request, we ask things soo much, we are many & loud but unheard (-_-) , you have established soo well in our country market this time, the what we have lost (beauty, power, feel ) in xiaomi phones, we found in yours. Your phones made us feel alive. I felt soo good looking at my Honor 9 Lite, it was worth all the effort you put on. I didnt even buy a Xiaomi phone for myself until date, i felt like us were being played by that company. It didnt feel good. They sold cheap stuff with good software tweaks. It was Hugo Barra who designed software, only because of this Xiaomi phones were a hit. You lagged at it alot in the past until Honor 6X. I never bought any Xiaomi device, i loved the Honor 4x, but found there were no updates. But this time you came superawesome into the market, your software is wayyy better than Xiaomi in looks and feel, all that it finally require is bug fixes, proper tweaks to utilize the whole capacity of the hardware, you do everything from scratch and created us this antique designed masterpiece phones. You should be proud. All you require is massive tweaking in the software, thats all. The processor's are superb, the screen buttersmooth, sound clear crisp and loud. Its the tweaking that's missing. I really wish honor this time you keep alot of effort in giving us customers in the country who bought your phones a huge happy smile. Ask how?? Here's how, we like gifts, gift us like 2 or 3days before festivals an OTA update that solves all the bug issues in our honor phones and then look at the news, scroll down, check the comments session. You would be very well liked. We'd then even feel honored to have had you bothering us and all together. Straight outta heart, we would be TRULY overjoyed that you did care for us this time on.
Dear Honor,
The world is a happy place for as long you, atleast hereafter consider to help us better .​​

It's the best you can get for the price with some small compromises
Let's start with not so good stuff before we get on to the great stuff!
I've got the 3GB variant and Midnight Black Color, I'm using it now for about 23 days.
Memory Management - Well the RAM/Memory management on this device is very aggressive, Here's how I was watching some dope stuff on YouTube and few Minutes in and I got a call and was talking for about 15 - 20 Mins and after the call ended, I was hoping the youtube app will be in the same state I left it! But, no The app was closed completely and I had to relaunch the app again, and also if you are running music in the background you get this stupid notification saying the app is running in the background and drains battery which can annoy anyone!
Hopefully, they will fix these in future software updates.
And (Not sure whether it's the Memory management or the app's problem), I'm running NOVA Launcher as default After 2 or 3 days, it automatically switched back to the default Launcher, well this only happened twice and after that, I didn't face this problem anymore, I thought it was worth mentioning.
Camera - Well the only thing that I felt weird was with the rear camera when I switched to Portrait mode or Wide Aperture mode It Changed the Resolution to 8MP, but the same with the front camera it was 13MP and there is no option to switch to 13MP, and maybe that's why most of the Tech YouTubers say the front cam of this device is good then the rear.
And also I wish it had EIS hopefully, in future software update we will get it!
It would really help the video quality!
Well, that's the things that annoyed me the most, now let's get to the good stuff!
Design and Build Quality - Well, you might have heard a lot about this, but the device screams Premium, They have nailed the design with this device, it's absolutely gorgeous and It's really light to hold tho, some people may like it, and people like me may want a heavy device (Personal preference).
OS and UI - Well it's really smooth didn't have any lag issues or any of such kind, it's snappy and didn't face any heating issues or so, the only thing is RAM management which I mentioned it earlier and apart from that, it's really good.
Battery and charging speed - I could easily get through a day, I have no complaints about the battery it's really good and I'm happy with it. From 20% to 100% the charging time it took was somewhere around 1hr 15 mins to 1hr 40mins, which is reasonable for a 3000mAh battery, it doesn't support fast charging but I don't think that's an issue as I can get a day's worth of battery and I have no complaints about it, But I did wish it had a Type - C port, it's fine not a big issues but it could've had a Type - C
Speaker and Headphone output - The speaker is loud and clear, there is no Distortion at full volume, there is a bit bass which you can feel and its' good but a finger can cover it and the whole sound can be lost, that's the only issue and that's the issue with all mono down facing speaker.
And for the headphone output, I don't own a premium headset, I have a cheap one and it worked fine with it, it was loud and clear.
Call and Network - Call quality was really good, No issues Tried with Jio, Vodafone and BSNL didn't face any issues, the receiver was able to hear me clear and loud and the data was also at a good speed and with 4G it didn't affect the battery much as I thought it would, Wifi Bridge is one of the really cool features and it works really good.
and Finally
Camera - Well I've already told the problem I faced apart from that I don't have any issues,
It focuses really fast and also takes photos really fast, it's super snappy! I really loved the quality of images that I got in this price segment.
The Pro Photo and Pro Video mode are really good if you know to use them well, There are several other modes The food mode is also good and Timelapse is awesome.
Well, the front cam in portrait mode does fail sometimes to recognize people's face if there are more than 2 persons in the shot, it just happens sometimes and not every time. And I wish it had a Slo-Mo Mode tho.
The images are of really good quality tho, good enough to post on Social Networking sites.
Conclusion - I think it worth the money I paid, It does have some minor issues which can be fixed via Software Update apart from that it's a really good device and I'm Lovin it.
PS - I had actually added images and since I'm a new member XDA doesn't allow new users to post links.

Not very impressed with the Honor 9 Lite.
I did online research and read lots of review on the Honor 9 Lite.
What convinced me was a comparison some reviewer did with his current daily driver, a 1+3t, and was, as he put it, 'pleasantly surprised'. Since my current daily driver is also a 1+3t I relented and bought one, the 3+32GB version.
After using the Honor 9 Lite I don't think it comes anywhere close to a 1+3t. Now I appreciate and understand that it is cheaper than my 1+3t (even at its current value) but I'm not very impressed, especially with the way EMUI 8 completely rapes Android stock ! I knew this going in but never realised to what extent EMUI restrict customisation.
Let me give examples.
1. First thing I always do with every phone i buy is disabled all apps I don't need/use. Some of the apps on the Honor 9 Lite are cooked in and without root cannot be disables, frozen or removed; e.g. Files, Huawei Mobile Service, Themes.
2. Next thing is to replace any homelauncher with my favourite 'Nova'. Well as soon as you do this on the 9Lite you get a pop-up message stating something like 'changing home launcher uses more battery'...What ? Anyway you can force it through and then just change the default home launcher to Nova. Then some of the EMUI widgets, like weather, don't work anymore. That's ok, I expected that, what I did not expect is for it to show up as available but when you try to add it to your homescreen you get a FC and Huawei launcher is back, in effect removing your default launcher you just set.
3. Huawei badges also obviously don't work under Nova; again as expected.
4. Next I fired up Chronus widget so i can get a replacement for the now non-working Huawei weather service (which at least you can disable). Chronus now does not update the alarm. So you set an alarm in clock but Chronus does not pick up the changee unless you go into chronus change something and save it. This was even after i loaded up Google clock and set alarm through that.
All the above works flawlessly in my Oreo based 1+3t.
5. Lag..yes it is a lot worse than my 1+3t, now like i said because of the price difference i did not expect the Kirin659 to be on par with the Snapdragon 821 but the lag difference was much more noticable on the Honor9 lite than i expected.
6. Since Nova was basically non functional I had to return to Huawei's own launcher.
7. No way of hiding status bar. By the way I also tried play store apps, like GMD Full Screen, but it did not work properly.
8. Battery life is one day on normal use.
9. Cameras are acceptable but no better than my single camera 1+3t.
Conclusion:
Not impresssed, it looks great, weight is spot on for me, size is also great so is the screen brightness, but everything else is nothing special and that EMUI8 man, it just restricts you from most customisation which is the reason we all love android. If i wanted restrictions i would have gone for an iphone.
Why should i have to unlock BL and root to be able to do simple things like use full immersive mode. I'd like to keep android pay functioning so don't want to unlock,root and battle with magidisk to hide root. I just want control back of my phone.
Anyway, thought i would put this together outlining my experience with the Honor 9Lite, hopefully yours will be better and find acceptable.

Well, I bought this device as my ex-device was quite old enough(I was using grand 2 as my daily driver).Next,when I was searching for new devices,I was looking for a device which is better in all aspects(camera,looks,sound,performance,signal quality) and also in a moderate price.Then I stumbled across Honor 9 Lite.It was the old phone in my budget range which was able to cater to my demands.It looks gorgeous as ever.The glass body,its colour (I got the Sapphire blue one) and its modern looks with minimal borders made me order the phone without even checking for other details(I already knew it supports 4G and fingerprint sensor) .When I got the phone,I found that it is not too heavy but is indeed slippery due to glossy back,so I applied the cover to increase friction and to prevent falling .
These are the following pros and cons of the phone I found:-
PROS
1.Camera->Both the front and back cameras are awesome and can even capture good amount of detail even in low light condition.Maybe the 4 cameras(2 in pairs does the trick)
2.Android OS->Being latest is the best.This device packs with Android Oreo which many 2017 flagships like S8(they got it but Samsung removed the OTA update) haven't recieved properly
3.Processor->I haven't heard about this processor's name earlier but was shocked by its insane frequency(greater than 2 Ghz) so I decided to do an Antutu benchmark and found that this processor's performance is comparable with Snapdragon 625.
4.Display->Display is awesome.Nothing to say about it
5.Battery->Battery life is a bit-tad low (It lasts 9 hrs for me),so I need to charge atleast once a day.No fast charging support and no USB C was a dissappointment
6.Storage and Ram management-Plenty of Ram(3 GBs) and storage(around 22 GBs),so no complaints there

Software (ease of use, features, etc)

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TBH miui is getting boring, and there are many time when I am unable to find some settings I have to relay more on search option

I have purchased this for a family member of mine. Presently I am using it for a day or two for testing to see if everything is working fine within the return window.
MiUi is out right intolerable for me who loves custom ROM and using Z2 Plus (SD820/4GB).
But I kind of appreciate Xiaomi for their update commitment for their devices running MiUi.
UI is good enough for some one who is a completely non technical person.
Battery backup is excellent, so are their overall tuning. Yes there are some issues but their update cycle is dependable to get continued update for fixing any such.
But there are complaints, even from those users.
UX look and feel issue (China Factor)
How on earth MiUi Dev's think everyone likes Chinese bubbly design language?
Look at Oppo, they are Chinese to start with but Oxygen OS is getting so much love from rest of the world. Look at Samsung with their UI. So much different from stock android but loved around the world.
Can't they have a different UI which rest of the world will like?
Complicated Navigation
MiUi is getting complicated with its settings layout. Things are embedded so deep, it's problematic for non technical users for find their way around.
Getting Old and Boring
Once again another complain I am hearing from non technical user of MiUi. New device doesn't give new feeling anymore since the UI is kept same for half a decade now.
Similar issue what non technical users are reporting.
Like for example, my family member who would be using this device refused to upgrade from Samsung On8 (J7) to this year's On8 (J8) since everything looked same. Even though underneath, it's a completely different device.
Ads and privacy issues
Yeah they recover their cost from ads but it's utterly objectionable when they are showing adult ads without any specific option to toggle or filter such ads.
Lastly why do they need so much permission for ads? Our privacy too matters.. You really don't need so much personal information for showing ads.
No notch Support for MiUi
MiUi isn't yet notch compatible. Simply it's a cut in display. Nothing else. Notifications bar needs to optimised for this Notch. But judging from their MiUi agresive update cycle, hopefully we can have a better notch management.
Thanks.

3 starts. There's no 4K 30 FPS or Full HD 60 FPS recording option, and I know the sensor is capable of it.

A quick review best Out-of-the-Box Android phone yet

Without a doubt this is the best android phone out of the box yet ever. I am real happy to be able to take the best pics I ever took. It is also the best native apps set
The Samsung app set is good. Am almost off external apps. I have pushed vlc music player aside somewhat, as well as es file explorer, as well as the hacker keyboard. As I am real glad Samsung has its own keyboard and not the exterior keyboard types with their agreements and data collection.
The best thing is probably in "device care" where there is a RAM clearer under memory tab that clears out those apps that I use most often like social video apps and browser apps caches. This happening all at the press of 1 button.
Music app works well but still (as in VLC also it is) I can not go to album from a song that's playing. It would be a good option. The music comes up really fast after it indexes and takes up a much lower amount data to save.

I think it is a real nice phone for it's price, but "best android phone out of the box ever", "best pics I ever took", "best native apps set"? Nahhhhh
What are you trying to tell us?

Captain Beretta said:
I think it is a real nice phone for it's price, but "best android phone out of the box ever", "best pics I ever took", "best native apps set"? Nahhhhh
What are you trying to tell us?
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Hey what areYOU trying to tell US? MRS. junior member
nao I mean obviously in my experience I been around here since about KitKat or maybe late JellyBean
but..nah you go ahead and criticize babe I like a feisty lady.

kruc Ire said:
Hey what areYOU trying to tell US? MRS. junior member
nao I mean obviously in my experience I been around here since about KitKat or maybe late JellyBean
but..nah you go ahead and criticize babe I like a feisty lady.
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Yeah, if you had a JB or KK phone before the A70, then the A70 must be amazing to you lol
But the A-series is a budget phone series. The S and Note series are better in picture quality and speed, if money is no issue and Samsung is your brand. So that was my point.
Calm down, my dear, there there. Hugs and kisses from Mrs. Beretta :laugh:

Captain Beretta said:
Yeah, if you had a JB or KK phone before the A70, then the A70 must be amazing to you lol
But the A-series is a budget phone series. The S and Note series are better in picture quality and speed, if money is no issue and Samsung is your brand. So that was my point.
Calm down, my dear, there there. Hugs and kisses from Mrs. Beretta :laugh:
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yeah but I kno that b

kruc Ire said:
yeah but I kno that b
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this is not the best phone ever for sure mate. it can't be. idk if you're joking.

y.erenbektas said:
this is not the best phone ever for sure mate. it can't be. idk if you're joking.
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right. No I mean not joking this things the best. I don't ever wanna mess with those 500 sterling phones again. or 1000 sterling. This phone has the best apps and whatnot. Seriously like I said, the keyboard and whole feel.
Sometimes I looked back at my first phones and they were not much bigger screen than a credit card and they were so magnificent to me then. Like the Motorola Droid 2. How awesome was that thing. In the end the phone's no better than its apps. I remember when Droid 2 got the droid 3 update and they like removed the 2 notch and -2 notch in the phone's camera brightness or something like that. Some other things too.
But If ya look around the samsung developers appear to have done something pretty special with this phone in the apps I mentioned op. I mean look at the junk that is the phones of yesteryear.
Htc my god just junk. They all had "Swiftkey" keyboard after awhile. The only option was to go emoticonless and use the Hacker Keypad. So we got that. I have a literally yellow and black background with white keys board here that doesn't report back to "Swiftkey" or "Touchpal" aaand really naive the way the music app works. It's not giant screensized art but it's real fast to load. Settings, man settings. I understand that you probably have a phone from MI6, but those other apps I mentioned and settings like dark mode. Can't be beat. And the shell of THIS phone is plastic, no cracking with sudden temp changes!
No if you think about it this phone is the best phone there ever was. An I mean seriously no phones that cost 1000 sterling. or even 700. You can keep your MI6 phone, I don't even need a phone that can disable a charging water buffalo thru sonar at 100 paces...
and forget about moddable, or modded phones. There needs to be some discussion someplace about just how evil the bad elements custom rom community has gotten for people like me who never committed no crimes when they wanted us to.

i had a galaxy s8 before the a70 which is a flagship from 2017 almost 3 years old , in some way the a70 is a downgrade from the s8 ,i dont like the camera setup the s8 with a single lens took photos way better than the a70 , photos where sharper and of higher quality and the gpu in the galaxy s8 is way faster than the gpu in the a70 other than that i cant complain it is a nice phone for the money i hope devs would start messing around with this phone maybe we can eventually get a decent camera app port or a working gcam app with complete features

alaa96 said:
i had a galaxy s8 before the a70 which is a flagship from 2017 almost 3 years old , in some way the a70 is a downgrade from the s8 ,i dont like the camera setup the s8 with a single lens took photos way better than the a70 , photos where sharper and of higher quality and the gpu in the galaxy s8 is way faster than the gpu in the a70 other than that i cant complain it is a nice phone for the money i hope devs would start messing around with this phone maybe we can eventually get a decent camera app port or a working gcam app with complete features
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Gcam does work with it

@bodomfan it does but at 6 mega pixel i 16:9 or 8 mega pixel in 4:3 aspect ration which is lower than the stock app also no wide angle lense support