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4.3 delayed?

I know there was a system dump of 4.3 on t Mobile, but it was said to still be in development. Some people were thinking the moto x would get faster updates being so close to stock android. However at this point we're getting close to when the heavily customized galaxy s4 is *supposed* to get its update.
Could the major camera firmware update have delayed them on 4.3? Or are we looking at another phone that will still be several months delayed getting android updates?

From what I've seen there were 3? leaks of 4.3 engineering builds so far to date for the Moto X. In addition to the standard 4.3 features, they seem to also be updating Touchless Controls, Active Display and the Camera App. Now I saw that 4.3.1 is rolling out to the Nexus 7 LTE and I'm sure we will see it released to AOSP "soon" with a list of changes as well as 4.3.1 updates for the other Nexus devices.
What I think happened is Motorola was told that 4.3.1 would be rolling out "soon" so rather than keep working on fixing bugs in 4.3.0 that could be fixed in 4.3.1, Motorola tackled the main issues such as the camera, call quality, etc for the OTA and will resync their builds with AOSP so they can go straight to 4.3.1 for their OTA.
Now I could be totally wrong but given Motorola's previous update history, the Bionic for example went from Gingerbread straight to 4.0.4 and skipped 4.0.2 and 4.0.3, from there it went straight to 4.1.2 and skipped 4.1.1. I know Motorola is rebranding themselves right now but I guess they made a calculated decision to get the biggest issues fixed first, then release the big update which will take more testing.
I also think that because Samsung and HTC released Google Play Edition devices, they got earlier access to 4.3 than Motorola did so this would explain how they've had additional time to work on integrating their UI's into 4.3. I think Google is just playing it a bit too safe in trying to ensure no one thinks Motorola is getting prefered treatment over other companies.

dpw2atox said:
From what I've seen there were 3? leaks of 4.3 engineering builds so far to date for the Moto X. In addition to the standard 4.3 features, they seem to also be updating Touchless Controls, Active Display and the Camera App. Now I saw that 4.3.1 is rolling out to the Nexus 7 LTE and I'm sure we will see it released to AOSP "soon" with a list of changes as well as 4.3.1 updates for the other Nexus devices.
What I think happened is Motorola was told that 4.3.1 would be rolling out "soon" so rather than keep working on fixing bugs in 4.3.0 that could be fixed in 4.3.1, Motorola tackled the main issues such as the camera, call quality, etc for the OTA and will resync their builds with AOSP so they can go straight to 4.3.1 for their OTA.
Now I could be totally wrong but given Motorola's previous update history, the Bionic for example went from Gingerbread straight to 4.0.4 and skipped 4.0.2 and 4.0.3, from there it went straight to 4.1.2 and skipped 4.1.1. I know Motorola is rebranding themselves right now but I guess they made a calculated decision to get the biggest issues fixed first, then release the big update which will take more testing.
I also think that because Samsung and HTC released Google Play Edition devices, they got earlier access to 4.3 than Motorola did so this would explain how they've had additional time to work on integrating their UI's into 4.3. I think Google is just playing it a bit too safe in trying to ensure no one thinks Motorola is getting prefered treatment over other companies.
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That was my other thought. Maybe have to wait longer but be better off with 4.3.1 over 4.3
Hopefully 4.4 is quick though!

mikeosu said:
That was my other thought. Maybe have to wait longer but be better off with 4.3.1 over 4.3
Hopefully 4.4 is quick though!
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or it could be skipped over for 4.4, google does have more control over it now. I am getting my moto x tomorrow I can't wait.

Maybe the S4 having been released months in advance also has something to do with it....
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enigmaco said:
or it could be skipped over for 4.4, google does have more control over it now. I am getting my moto x tomorrow I can't wait.
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Very true. I would be ok with that if it meant an earlier update! I'm probably getting one soon with that best buy deal. Too good to pass up!

The biggest fix in 4.3 was the trim support (and SE Linux, but you won't notice that)... Moto X already has trim built in so there really isn't much rush on the 4.3 front.
I'd prefer a skip to 4.4 if that makes it a faster release.

Android L on X b4 Nexus?

I just thought i would pass this along. Jerry, over on Android Central, stated yesterday in the podcast that the people he knows at Moto said that their goal was to release the update on the x before the nexus 5 got it..... again. if you remember last year they managed to do it. it ruined the phone, and only happened because Google stopped the rollout to the n5 to fix some bugs, but they did it anyways.
The moral of the story? If you want L really fast, the x is the way to go.

Let's hope just like 4.4.4 Verizon doesn't slow them down

GTvert90 said:
Let's hope just like 4.4.4 Verizon doesn't slow them down
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i think they are mainly talking about the pure edition. they can literally upload the os and send it out to all pure editions the moment they get the code. last year though... verizon was the first to get kitkat. so who knows.

pretty much one of the biggest pluses of the X and why i'm on board. very good to hear this is going to be a continued trend with this device.

phermey said:
I just thought i would pass this along. Jerry, over on Android Central, stated yesterday in the podcast that the people he knows at Moto said that their goal was to release the update on the x before the nexus 5 got it..... again. if you remember last year they managed to do it. it ruined the phone, and only happened because Google stopped the rollout to the n5 to fix some bugs, but they did it anyways.
The moral of the story? If you want L really fast, the x is the way to go.
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this is good news. i didn't know that the old Moto X updates were really quick. it is quicker than i thought. now for the new Moto X, it is going to be good!
will the old Moto X be getting L too?

mrvirginia said:
pretty much one of the biggest pluses of the X and why i'm on board. very good to hear this is going to be a continued trend with this device.
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i completely agree.
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this is good news. i didn't know that the old Moto X updates were really quick. it is quicker than i thought. now for the new Moto X, it is going to be good!
will the old Moto X be getting L too?
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the old one started with 4.2.2. when kitkat was released, some of the n5(s) got the update, but google immediately stopped the roll out because encrypted devices were getting bricked. a few days later (nine days after the announcement if i remember), the verizon phone got it. they ran the soak test side by side with the update to everyone else on verizon. then the next week att and tmo got it. sprint followed shortly thereafter. and i still had kit kat on my x for a 'minute' before my n7 got it.
the important thing to note is the og moto x was absolutely flawless on 4.2.2. then moto releases an update that they did not test and introduced all kinds of annoying bugs. it took seconds just to unlock and such. the app updates came a week later. and then were finally fixed, pretty much, a couple of weeks after that. but the og x has never been as good as it was when it was on 4.2.2.
another problem is that moto likes to tout how many of their customers are on the latest and greatest. so the way they make sure that 96% of their devices are running the current update is they pop up the update notification page on literally every click you make on the phone. the shove the update down your throat so to speak. i personally like to find out what problems peopl are having first... and then download. but i do realize that i am in the minority on that one.
the other updates that we have received on the moto were properly tested before released. in the end... fast updates have their pros, but they also have their drawbacks.

phermey said:
i completely agree.
the old one started with 4.2.2. when kitkat was released, some of the n5(s) got the update, but google immediately stopped the roll out because encrypted devices were getting bricked. a few days later (nine days after the announcement if i remember), the verizon phone got it. they ran the soak test side by side with the update to everyone else on verizon. then the next week att and tmo got it. sprint followed shortly thereafter. and i still had kit kat on my x for a 'minute' before my n7 got it.
the important thing to note is the og moto x was absolutely flawless on 4.2.2. then moto releases an update that they did not test and introduced all kinds of annoying bugs. it took seconds just to unlock and such. the app updates came a week later. and then were finally fixed, pretty much, a couple of weeks after that. but the og x has never been as good as it was when it was on 4.2.2.
another problem is that moto likes to tout how many of their customers are on the latest and greatest. so the way they make sure that 96% of their devices are running the current update is they pop up the update notification page on literally every click you make on the phone. the shove the update down your throat so to speak. i personally like to find out what problems peopl are having first... and then download. but i do realize that i am in the minority on that one.
the other updates that we have received on the moto were properly tested before released. in the end... fast updates have their pros, but they also have their drawbacks.
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thanks for that deep info. it makes sense, fast isn't always better. I did read that 4.4.4 screwed up the OG Moto X, which was kind of a letdown. but I really feel that Android L is going to be complete, in a sense of no major bugs when it releases. I want that quickly. having a L preview definitely helps in squashing the bugs, which is why I am more confident in the L update being rolled out quickly not destroying the phone than all the other Android updates

phermey said:
i think they are mainly talking about the pure edition. they can literally upload the os and send it out to all pure editions the moment they get the code.
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That isn't true. Google ships Motorola the final Android L code before the public. But it will take time to merge their changes. People incorrectly assume Motorola runs stock android. They use a custom kernel and have a good bit of changes under the hood. I'm sure they will push L quickly after Google announces it, but it is not a simple process.

bozzykid said:
That isn't true. Google ships Motorola the final Android L code before the public. But it will take time to merge their changes. People incorrectly assume Motorola runs stock android. They use a custom kernel and have a good bit of changes under the hood. I'm sure they will push L quickly after Google announces it, but it is not a simple process.
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i am assuming the preview and the pdk that they have their hands on will allow for them to have the kernel ready. and moto gets it the same time we do...according to the htc infographic.

phermey said:
i am assuming the preview and the pdk that they have their hands on will allow for them to have the kernel ready. and moto gets it the same time we do...according to the htc infographic.
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Venders get the code before the public does. Google announced this quite a while ago to speed up releases.

ANDROID L aosp

Hey any devs out there will skills ,resources and the time PLEAAASE PLEAAAASE make an AOSP build for the Moto X.... I know Motorola will be quick with their updates but i just cant wait!!! I am just refreshing the Development sections of the Forum every hour hoping for a ROM build....

I believe devs would have to make a whole new kernel since L was not released for the moto x yet. Not sure if someone will do that before it is officially released for us.

I just want it! Caaant wait! i really hope some dev is already working his ass off to bring us some Lollipop!

Gundabolu SC said:
I just want it! Caaant wait! i really hope some dev is already working his ass off to bring us some Lollipop!
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Without kernel and binaries = No deal. It was already tried with KitKat, I tried with the AOSP sources but without a Kernel developer dedicating it's precious time and the binaries/drivers, just give up on your dream.

Spazmatism said:
Without kernel and binaries = No deal. It was already tried with KitKat, I tried with the AOSP sources but without a Kernel developer dedicating it's precious time and the binaries/drivers, just give up on your dream.
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Its definitely NOT impossible!!! When other devices like S3 mini,s3,Xperia Z can run without the binaries.... Why cant the Moto X? People have just given up on this phone!
I mean till now we were in the spotlight, but after Moto X 2014 we have been pushed back... We always have run the latest versions of Android till date n have never faced the need for porting n stuff... but i guess this will change when Motorola stops supporting us, then OSs would be ported withot Binaries!

Gundabolu SC said:
Its definitely NOT impossible!!! When other devices like S3 mini,s3,Xperia Z can run without the binaries.... Why cant the Moto X? People have just given up on this phone!
I mean till now we were in the spotlight, but after Moto X 2014 we have been pushed back... We always have run the latest versions of Android till date n have never faced the need for porting n stuff... but i guess this will change when Motorola stops supporting us, then OSs would be ported withot Binaries!
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They worked on other devices because they have common parts inside of them. Commom snapdragon chips, when the Moto X has the "powerful futureproof Moto X8 Mobile Computing System", it still a snapdragon, yeah, but heavily modified. As I said, until we see sources we won't get it. Why? The work to make a KitKat kernel (specially the Moto X one) work on Lollipop isn't worth the effort. Unless you pay someone for it...

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They worked on other devices because they have common parts inside of them. Commom snapdragon chips, when the Moto X has the "powerful futureproof Moto X8 Mobile Computing System", it still a snapdragon, yeah, but heavily modified. As I said, until we see sources we won't get it. Why? The work to make a KitKat kernel (specially the Moto X one) work on Lollipop isn't worth the effort. Unless you pay someone for it...
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As far as I understand the modification to the processor is not to the Main processor itself but its just the addition of further coprocessors... I doubt if Qualcomm would keep quiet if Motorola messed with their processor and called it their own! Aaand.. Even with the sources we are not allowed to use the coprocessors right? So they are pretty much useless! I STILL don't think its THAT HARD! yeah it might be hard... But others have done it... People here just don't try as much I suppose!

Gundabolu SC said:
As far as I understand the modification to the processor is not to the Main processor itself but its just the addition of further coprocessors... I doubt if Qualcomm would keep quiet if Motorola messed with their processor and called it their own! Aaand.. Even with the sources we are not allowed to use the coprocessors right? So they are pretty much useless! I STILL don't think its THAT HARD! yeah it might be hard... But others have done it... People here just don't try as much I suppose!
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It's not worth porting over just so 50 people can have Lollipop on their Moto X 2013 when it's going to come within the next month anyway.'
Those other devices will probably either never get Lollipop or well get them much later.

404 ERROR said:
It's not worth porting over just so 50 people can have Lollipop on their Moto X 2013 when it's going to come within the next month anyway.'
Those other devices will probably either never get Lollipop or well get them much later.
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I agree... Anyways... Already OmniROM seems to have started merging Lollipop...
I don't think it will be long b4 other pitch in too!

MOTO X 2014, Android 5.1 Update

Was just searching the net for past 2 days.... as soon as android 5.1 was released, there is not even a single news/ Rumors about moto x and android 5.1, So i figured
Lets Start a new thread, and something or the other is bound to come up!, got my android L update for MOTO X european version from right here so i figured lets start here.
if anyone has any information let us hear it
from what i found, there's some news on moto g running android 5.1, moto x 2013 being considered.
does that mean, we have lost the top priority :fingers-crossed:
i seem so eager coz this 5.1 is REALLY stable, i have got a nexus 6, just updated it... its smoother, some pesky bugs before, nothing now.
~~~~my moto x is suffering from bluetooth audio stuttering , among other bugs.

Did you see any change in camera quality on your Nexus6?
I mean do you think the new 5.1 will make the MotoX able to shoot in RAW and Camera-2 API will now be supported? Because that is the biggest thing which needs improvement in MotoX, and performance boost will be a boon, rest it seems stable on 5.0 as well.

Jack Sparrow xda said:
Did you see any change in camera quality on your Nexus6?
I mean do you think the new 5.1 will make the MotoX able to shoot in RAW and Camera-2 API will now be supported? Because that is the biggest thing which needs improvement in MotoX, and performance boost will be a boon, rest it seems stable on 5.0 as well.
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Interesting, i can check it out , if someone can guide me how to .
P.s. the camera sensor itself is older version so don't expect it to be too good, samsung, oneplus one , oppo , nexus 6 all high end devices in latter 2014 use IMX 214 or IMX 240.. which are both 2014 released sensors ... On the other hand MOTO X uses IMX 135, which is released on JANUARY 2013, 2 years old now, Motorola has a reputation for increasing their, profits by using atleast one old part in their fabulous devices (HINT: moto 360, ti processor is sooo old, its parent company stopped supporting it and it drains battery too, could have easily used snapdragon400 but.... moto)

Moto X Pure Edition ( XT1095)
Well I'm searching daily for Moto X 2014 android 5.1 update but I'm not able to find anything. I had Nexus 6 I sold one week before 5.1 update, but I've tried it on my brothers Nexus 5 and its was really fast, especially the dialer app feels snappy now(but that was factory reset so not confident about that yet)..
Would love to hear more about Moto X 2014 android 5.1 update

ismailonrails said:
Well I'm searching daily for Moto X 2014 android 5.1 update but I'm not able to find anything. I had Nexus 6 I sold one week before 5.1 update, but I've tried it on my brothers Nexus 5 and its was really fast, especially the dialer app feels snappy now(but that was factory reset so not confident about that yet)..
Would love to hear more about Moto X 2014 android 5.1 update
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Motorola contacted people about a week ago about participating in a soak test for the Pure Edition. So far the update hasn't rolled out to anyone.
See this: http://forum.xda-developers.com/moto-x-2014/general/xt1095-pure-edition-5-0-5-0-2-t3037580

Just leaving this message here, if anyone stumbles upon this question....
how to update XT1092 to android 5.1
as now android 5.1 is released for XT1095, and in future too XT1095 will be the first to receive any updates.... this is what my plan is.
I am Converting My XT1092 to XT1095 and then flashing the modem (google it).
TADA! thats it, that simple.

5.1 hasn't been released for any Moto X yet

scoupdogg said:
Just leaving this message here, if anyone stumbles upon this question....
how to update XT1092 to android 5.1
as now android 5.1 is released for XT1095, and in future too XT1095 will be the first to receive any updates.... this is what my plan is.
I am Converting My XT1092 to XT1095 and then flashing the modem (google it).
TADA! thats it, that simple.
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chrisrozon said:
5.1 hasn't been released for any Moto X yet
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As @chrisrozon says, there is no oficial release out yet of 5.1 for any victara (xt1095, xt1097, xt1092, etc). What is "out there" is a leaked soak test OTA. It's working but clearly unfinished; it has some serious battery draining wakelocks for some people.
Anyway, as soon as 5.1 is officially released (or after a few days if you're cautious), most people with non pure versions will be able to flash it and use it without reflashing original modem, since the new baseband of the xt1095 has been modified to work internationally. At least in latinamerica many of us could use the 5.1 soak with no baseband modification.
So if you're planning to convert your moto x to pure edition, i advice to do it once the 5.1 official release is out.
Cheers!
Manuel.

Moto X 2013 official lollipop ota update

Apparently lollipop is starting to roll out this week for the first generation Moto X. Has anybody received this update yet?

You might want to try reading the other 3 threads about this instead of creating yet another one.

metaljr81 said:
You might want to try reading the other 3 threads about this instead of creating yet another one.
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All the other searches that I found about lollipop for the Moto X are roms. I didn't find any about official over the air update. You could have maybe sent me a link at least

In the news, the most recent 5.1 OTA update was for the Moto G Google Play Edition. I also an article that said they were rolling out 5.1 for the moto X, but it was misleading; it came from Realty Today, so I find it understandable if they are not in the forefront of android news.

http://forum.xda-developers.com/moto-x/general/official-lollipop-5-1-moto-x-t3070730

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Thank you sir

Stalls and BS like this are pushing back towards iPhone. Lollipop us already played out, and we don't even have it yet.

Got_Evo? said:
Stalls and BS like this are pushing back towards iPhone. Lollipop us already played out, and we don't even have it yet.
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Get a nexus then. I'd much rather Motorola wait until lollipop is stable than have what apple did which was roll out horrible buggy 8.0, 8.1, 8.2 releases.