Incipio 15w wireless charger - Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Accessories

Anybody seen this? Not out yet but I'm going to pick it up when it is.
http://www.incipio.com/ces2016/ces-power/ghost-15w-qi-fast-wireless-charging-pad.html

I'm a little dubious as to the amount of wattage that thing will be kicking out, and whether the battery will take it long term without damage. I think I'd rather avoid potential overheating of the battery and go with the new official S7 one, given that it's designed for it. Overheating of batteries is the thing that reduces their lifespan more than anything else, and unlike previous generations these things will be damn difficult to change without a return to Samsung, especially if you want to have a hope in hell of keeping your IP68.

I've seen reports that the s7 is fully capable of accepting 15 w wirelessly.

Naemion said:
I've seen reports that the s7 is fully capable of accepting 15 w wirelessly.
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I've seen reports of this too which apparently came from Samsung PR. Apparently the S7 does support 15w wireless charging but the official wireless charger does not

CuBz90 said:
I've seen reports of this too which apparently came from Samsung PR. Apparently the S7 does support 15w wireless charging but the official wireless charger does not
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Yeah kind of a weird move if you ask me.

Naemion said:
Yeah kind of a weird move if you ask me.
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I agree. If it's true that it supports 15w, why not have offcial 15w wireless chargers. Seems a bit dodgey to me. I won't believe it until I see/hear it from Samsung directly.

I've only seen the one report on if from cio. I've emailed samsung myself to try and find out.

The nekteck (according to them) produces 13.5w for $25 on sale. I'm not going to spend $70 for 1.5 extra watts.

Okay I found out for myself from Samsung and it is confirmed that it accepts 15w.
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Reason why Samsung doesn't have the 15 Watt charger
Hi all, here's an attempt to explain the details around the 5 / 10 / 15 watt charging Qi charging rate...
So far virtually Qi Certified products sold are operating on the Qi 1.1 standard, which has an output effect of 5 Watts. This is obviously equal to 1 Amp / 1.000 mA. The real "net charging" (as measured using the "Ampere" app) is about 400-600 mA in my Samsung Galaxy S6, which sounds about right. This means you will likely experience a "net loss" if you are driving with the screen set on full brightness, using GPS navigation, streaming music etc. At home it usually doesn't matter because at most we are streaming music and the screen is off.
Samsung created their own proprietary 1.1 solution for Galaxy Edge phones whereas they boosted the power higher, resulting in a net charging rate of 800mA or even higher at times. However, this only works with Samsung's OEM wireless chargers (for Qi Certified products).
The new Qi 1.2 standard, which support 15 Watts, or 3 Amps/ 3.000 mA charging rate, was published in 2015 and is being implemented as we speak. When Samsung announced the Galaxy S7 they confirmed a few days later that this is indeed featuring a 1.2 Receiver (RX) module, which makes it first mainstream phone with this new standard.
As the 1.2 standard is new my personal guess (?) is that there was not enough time for Samsung to offer a Certified 1.2 Qi transmitter when they announced the Galaxy S7 in Februari. We can surely expect Qi 1.2 Certified TX's from Samsung later in the year.
With 15 Watt you can likely expect the net charging rate to be in the 7-10 Watt range. Anything that fast will obviously translate into a subjective "fast charging" experience even if the phone is used with "everything on". Pretty cool stuff....
I would recommend to wait with buying any product until we see "Qi Certified" products. Also confirm that the product is listed on the PowerConsortium's product page (link). Keep in mind that "Compatible" is completely different then "Certified" in the Qi world and with high output power there's more room for quality issues with your battery if the TX module is not "Certified". Amazon will be "full" with "Qi 1.2 compatible" products soon but I would not use my $600+ phone on a non-certified charger yet. Also, there still some discussions going on in the supply chain side how to power a true 1.2 certified TX charger as the max output of a certified microUSB is well below the 15 Watt required to power the board.
Here's a good presentation from the Power Consortium (Qi) on the road map.
Great if you comment if I'm wrong or if you have questions. Cheers!

Actually I don't think I could have put it better myself except I thought the version 1 was 5w, version 1.1 was 10w or "fast charging", and 1.2 was the new 15w format?

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Tested a few chargers

The Galaxy Note 2 comes with a 2 Amp AC adapter/charger so I was curious to compare the charging capability of the stock charger to other chargers that I already own. I cut open a USB to uUSB cord and used a current meter to see how much 5V current was flowing from the charger into the phone. These results are only good for a Galaxy Note 2. Other phones will draw a different about of current (probably lower). Details of the setup can be found far below.
The conditions were:
Battery level = 48%
Voltage was measured on the cable about four inches from the phone
Only the charger was changed between tests (used the exact same cable/setup for each test).
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The results explain why the Note 2 charges so fast compared to the original Note that I had. Something to keep in mind with dual port chargers...... when I had the two dual port car chargers apart modifying them (the D+ and D- setup so my Note 1 would recognize it as a dedicated charger), I noticed that both chargers used a single 5V regulator and simply ran the power for the two USB ports in parallel. That means that although they say it is a dual 1A charger it could be used as a single 2A charger. I can't say every dual charger is setup that way, but it seems unlikely they would spend the $$ on two different regulator circuits.
Details:
The cable is about three feet long. I cut the cable about four inches from the uUSB connector (where the phone connects). I soldered the ground, data +, and data - wires back together and just left the 5V red wire open so I could insert a current meter (used a Fluke 189 on the 10A mode).
For most people, it is probably best to just buy a car charger that will support 2A for Android. Note that many chargers are setup (their D+ and D- pins) for Apple so you may not get full charging current. That may take a little digging around to see what others have found.
Very interesting! Thanks for posting this as I'd prob would have bought an Iphone car charger. I now know not to, question is what one would be best for matching amperage draw compared to the stock Samsung one(might just order the official, it's cheap).
Thank goodness I bought a lot of those HP touchpad chargers!
I find it interesting your numbers are so far off this breakdown:
http://www.arcfn.com/2012/10/a-dozen-usb-chargers-in-lab-apple-is.html
One of you isn't right...
I would love to buy a 2A OEM charger but Samsung hasn't had it on their site for quite some time.
keplenk said:
Thank goodness I bought a lot of those HP touchpad chargers!
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I cleaned up on those HP Touchpad chargers when they were blowing them out for $5 each. I bought five of them and scattered them all around home and work. Of course the GN2 has such good battery life that I probably won't be needing them much.
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I find it interesting your numbers are so far off this breakdown:
http://www.arcfn.com/2012/10/a-dozen-usb-chargers-in-lab-apple-is.html One of you isn't right...
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He tested the maximum current you could get out of each charger. In other words, how much current can you pull until the current limit of the regulator kicks in and the voltage severely drops. I measured how much current the Galaxy Note 2 will pull from each charger. The phone dictates the amount of current pulled as long as that current level is below the maximum current of the charger (he lists the maximum possible current for each charger). If I hooked up the stock Samsung 2A charger to a GS2, it would likely draw less than 1A because it has a smaller battery so it is designed to charge at a lower current. All my results are specific to the Galaxy Note 2.
Here's another crazy data point. I tried 3 different chargers and 4 different USB cables with a killawatt. The stock white cable pulled at least 1.5 more watts than the other cables, which were note1, evo3d and monoprice cables.
At this point I think Samsung increased the wire gauge on the note2 USB cable, to get the resistance down a bit. Hmm this might even be measurable. More stuff to check out tomorrow.
Oh, I tested several 2amp or greater power supplies, and the stock note2 PSU always did slightly better.

Smaller Wall Quick Chargers

(reposting some stuff I wrote in the old joint "Quark" forum, now that we are separate from the Droid Turbo Quark forum.)
timofcourse said:
Has anyone come across other wall Quick chargers that are smaller / lower profile than the motorola one? Looking for something a bit more conducive to traveling with.
Thanks!
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silverfoxbrazil said:
i would like to have one smaller too
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I bought two of these and love them:
$13.99
(Quick Charge 2.0)Qualcomm Certified CHOE 18W Adaptive Fast Charger Turbo Charger with Qualcomm Technology
http://www.amazon.com/Qualcomm-Certified-Adaptive-Technology-Motorola/dp/B00QTJZ3D0
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The charger above has a slimmer profile on a power strip than the Motorola "fat" pack (pictured below).
rayjr13 said:
That's interesting because from the photo you posted it looks to be just about as wide as the Moto charger across the face with the prongs. On Delta MD-88 particularly the faces hits the bevels and the blades dont go in all the way to make consistent contact.
But truthfully I forgot that I am holding out looking a QC2.0 true "travel" charger that has international tips. that isn't wide as a bus or at least the tips push the bulk away from the blades. Thankfully they have replaced nearly all those deep recessed outlets that were on B767 which I assume you took to Brazil..
So any ones with travel tips?
The other pictures on Amazon of the one you posted definitely show it look smaller profile on the prong face. So I can see it is in the right size range. now to find an international one.
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Just telling you it worked for me.
On the way down I used just the charger, as is.
Coming back, I had high quality Brazilian plug adapter still connected to the charger (from using it in Brazil), so I kept that on while charging on the Delta flight back. Didn't see the need to remove the adapter, and possibly lose it.
You can buy one of those and there's your travel tips.
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Another nice thing about the charger I found it is it automatically detects voltage and adjusts as needed. 100 volts - 240 volts. All the outlets in the charging stands at the Sao Paulo airport were 220 volts, while residential Sao Paulo uses 127 volts. Before I plugged it into the airport charging stand, I went back to the Amazon description just to make sure I wasn't about to burn up my phone or the charger...
The original Samsung Galaxy S6's is super slim and supports fast charge as well. Tested on my XT1225, and my Moto charger on my friend's S6. They both perform exactly the same.
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The original Samsung Galaxy S6's is super slim and supports fast charge as well. Tested on my XT1225, and my Moto charger on my friend's S6. They both perform exactly the same.
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Yes, they both use the Qualcomm standard Quick Charge 2.0. Motorola just calls it "Turbo Charging", but it's really just Quick Charge 2.0. Any certified Quick Charge 2.0 (or even 3.0) charger will work. Here's a Qualcomm PDF showing a list of 3.0 and 2.0 devices. Both Samsung Galaxy S6 series and Droid Turbo (Quark, so also Moto Maxx and Moto Turbo) are listed as being Quick Charge 2.0. I already knew that from reviews when I bought the phone, but there it is also from Qualcomm who makes the Snapdragon chipsets.
This year a lot of phones are using the newer Quick Charge 3.0. All the new Quick Charge 3.0 chargers are backwards-compatible with 2.0 and 1.0 phones:
Introducing Quick Charge 3.0: next-generation fast charging technology
https://www.qualcomm.com/news/snapd...e-30-next-generation-fast-charging-technology
So, no worries about buying a 3.0 charger in the future if happen to buy one. Our phone will still charge at 2.0 speeds, but it won't hurt it to be charged with a 3.0 charger.
In the opposite direction, OnePlus is using proprietary chargers for their OnePlus 3. It is NOT any Qualcomm Quick Charge standard, like 2.0 or 3.0. It's something they made up and you have to use their overpriced chargers with that phone. This was after last year, when their laughable so-called "flagship killer" OnePlus 2 phone didn't have Quick Charge nor NFC. This year, they at least included NFC, but they still don't have REAL Quick Charge -- they have their own "Dash Charge", but you use their own cables and adapter ($35, but now on sale for only $33!).
No thanks.
Just ordered this VERY small QuickCharge 2.0 wall charger for my wife to use at work
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Size: 1.89 x 1.97 x 1.1 in (48 x 50 x 28 mm)
The price is GREAT.
KMASHI USB Quick Charge 2.0 Wall Charger ($5.99)
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B010RNBOKE/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Anker Quick Charge 3.0 (Charger Review)

*Disclaimer*.....the S7 does not support Quick Charge 3.0. It only supports 2.0 but I may be picking up the G5 or HTC 10 which does support it.
I needed a new/extra charger so I figured I'd get something that supports the latest Quick Charge technology.
The charger itself feels well made. The prongs fold in for traveling purposes and it doesn't block the outlet/outlets sitting next to it. In regards to noise this charger makes none of it. Those who have used cheap chargers know the humming/buzzing noise I'm referring to. It's extremely annoying.
Now onto the part that really matters. I haven't had the time to compare this charger to the stock Samsung charger in regards to really putting them through the paces but early results look promising for the Anker.
I started the charge process with quick charge enabled at 5% and started a timer for 30 minutes. The stock Samsung charger was able to bring the battery to 43% while the Anker charger brought the battery to 52%.
Within the next few days I will do a test from 5% to 100% both with quick charge enabled and disabled.
On a side note I also picked up a 6 foot kevlar wrapped Anker micro USB cable. It feels well made and the connections are nice. I probably wouldn't have bought it if it wasn't on sale but I needed a new long micro USB cable.
So far I'd have to say that if you need another charger and you want Quick Charge 3.0 for another phone then go ahead and grab one. If you don't really need another charger or don't need Quick Charge 3.0 then I wouldn't waste the money on one unless you really want the slightly faster charging for the S7 Edge.
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silly noob question alert:
Will qc 3.0 devices, charge the s7 edge at qc 2.0/fast charge rates?
Assuming you used an s7 for your charging experiments above, then it appears they do....thanks for post
dazzer1975 said:
silly noob question alert:
Will qc 3.0 devices, charge the s7 edge at qc 2.0/fast charge rates?
Assuming you used an s7 for your charging experiments above, then it appears they do....thanks for post
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No, it will charge at the same speed as a QC 2.0 charger since there S7/S7E don't support QC 3.0
That's exactly what I asked, re qc2.0 but thanks for clarification, I wasn't sure if qc3.0 was 'backwards compatible' kind of thing
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That's exactly what I asked, re qc2.0 but thanks for clarification, I wasn't sure if qc3.0 was 'backwards compatible' kind of thing
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It is backwards compatible with QC 2.0. I did a test of those chargers QC 2.0/3.0, Wireless, fast wireless that you can see in my signature. The charge times are identical as you will see.
awesome, cheers dude
dazzer1975 said:
silly noob question alert:
Will qc 3.0 devices, charge the s7 edge at qc 2.0/fast charge rates?
Assuming you used an s7 for your charging experiments above, then it appears they do....thanks for post
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Yes, quick charge 3.0 compatible with all qc2.0 supported devices, like S7 edge.
So I search on Amazon and find that Anker, iClever, Aukey released their new quick charge 3.0 usb chargers.
Could you check the numbers with Galaxy Charging Current?
When you refer to the Samsung stock charger, do you mean the wired one or the Samsung Fast Charge wireless charger?
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Could you check the numbers with Galaxy Charging Current?
When you refer to the Samsung stock charger, do you mean the wired one or the Samsung Fast Charge wireless charger?
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Wired. I have no use for wireless chargers.
Once you go wireless you don't go back. lol I hate wires. I have four wireless chargers. Three were pretty much free. With T-Mobile Jump (phone junkie) I just sell my fast charging cablez and headphones for a few bucks since I don't need anymore. So why didn't Samsung put 3.0 charging in the S7 Edge?
I guess they designed the phone before quick charge 3.0 was available? Maybe it hurt they're bottom line? I don't know but whatever the reason it was a stupid decision.
The reason I don't like wireless chargers is because the only time I ever charge my phone is either in the car or while laying in bed. In both places I like using the phone while it charges.
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jrwingate6 said:
I guess they designed the phone before quick charge 3.0 was available? Maybe it hurt they're bottom line? I don't know but whatever the reason it was a stupid decision.
The reason I don't like wireless chargers is because the only time I ever charge my phone is either in the car or while laying in bed. In both places I like using the phone while it charges.
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No, QC has it as part of the SoC, si its supported technically but Samsung chose not to use it for an unknown reason.
They disabled it in the Snap dragon version because the other phone with their own SOC wouldn't support it so to keep the 2 on parity they disabled ours.

Charging an S7 Edge/Flat using a 9V rectangular disposable battery

Galaxy S7 Edge/Flat has qualcomm quick charge 2.0 support which means it can handle an input voltage up to 12V. Our stock fast charger has an output voltage of 9V and ideally, we shouldn't go further than that.
Regarding the current rating, it really doesn't matter if our source (i.e wall charger) will have really high current output since the source will only release what the load (i.e our phone) can only take.
Now in theory, we can charge our S7 Flat/Edge or any other Qualcomm Quick Charge 2.0 devices with an ordinary 9V battery but I haven't tested it. If anyone has done this before, we would gladly love to hear you out on this.
Here's a picture from android authority showing the input voltage and current of an S6 charging.
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Galaxy S7 Edge/Flat has qualcomm quick charge 2.0 support which means it can handle an input voltage up to 12V. Our stock fast charger has an output voltage of 9V and ideally, we shouldn't go further than that.
Regarding the current rating, it really doesn't matter if our source (i.e wall charger) will have really high current output since the source will only release what the load (i.e our phone) can only take.
Now in theory, we can charge our S7 Flat/Edge or any other Qualcomm Quick Charge 2.0 devices with an ordinary 9V battery but I haven't tested it. If anyone has done this before, we would gladly love to hear you out on this.
Here's a picture from android authority showing the input voltage and current of an S6 charging.
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You need to use a car charger to charge a phone with a 9v. Take the socket part apart, one strip is positive and one is negative. Wall plugs use 120v in which is not 9v.
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You need to use a car charger to charge a phone with a 9v. Take the socket part apart, one strip is positive and one is negative. Wall plugs use 120v in which is not 9v.
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No, you don't understand. What you're talking about is INPUT voltage of the wall charger. Take a look at our stock wall charger, it has an OUTPUT voltage of 5V and 9V. Qualcomm quick charge 2.0 enables our phones to be charged on higher voltage (up to 12V). In the case of our s7e, it's only 9V afaik. I'm not talking about ordinary phones, I'm talking about phones with quick charge 2.0. You can even look at our battery info in the settings, it displays that our battery is rated at 9V. Here let me take a screenshot of it.
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It's an interesting topic. The OP is correct about the voltage regarding supported devices, the input voltage is irrelevant, as the output is always going to be transformed to appropriate DC voltage by any supported device. The phone (and all battery powered electronics, such as laptops, watches, etc) can only accept DC, or they would probably explode.
As far as using a 9v battery, I'm skeptical you'd be able to effectively charge a phone with it. Yes it produces 9Vs, but are designed to be used at low amperage, 8 milliamperes (Fast chargers use 2 amps)...moreover, from what I've read they generally only store 400-1000 mah. Considering our phone batteries hold 3600 mah, it would make a single 9v battery fairly useless for charging. If you used several in parallel perhaps.
Or perhaps one of these at 3500 mah... http://www.batterymart.com/p-ulhd6vsc-ultralast-6v-heavy-duty-lantern-battery.html ...but it would have the same problem with being designed for low amperage. If the phone drew the voltage at highers amps, it would heat up the battery and probably lower the total charge it would provide.
I think turbo has the right idea. Alkaline 9v has about 600 mah so to fully charge a dead battery , you would need to parallel about 6 together. And it would probably take awhile. Cheap rechargeables often are between 7 and 8 volts so to be cost efficient would be difficult but the idea in general should work. Good outside the box thinking OP!
I... maybe....
I dunno maybe it's just me but...
...why!?
Just buy a rechargeable battery pack and be done with it. Honestly see no point or reason to want to do this outside of pure intrigue. Nobody is going to carry around several 9v batteries and even less likely to want to carry a lantern battery!

25W Charging? What happened to the 45W?

Accessories are always a wild card. Did we really just drop the 45W charging feature on the Note 20/ Ultra? Specs only listing the 25W. I have the official 45W accessory and other chargers that support the proper profiles for the PPS to work. Seems like wasted tech at this point.
Or is there something I'm missing?
Keep it for when it is reintroduced next year. If the rumors prove right we might have to purchase chargers separately anyway (or make do with old ones)
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Keep it for when it is reintroduced next year. If the rumors prove right we might have to purchase chargers separately anyway (or make do with old ones)
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it does come with an adapter for charging,/ charging block
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5g Ultra 512gb does
skygear said:
it does come with an adapter for charging,/ charging block
5g Ultra 512gb does
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Long may it last! Future development rumor is what I was talking about
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Long may it last! Future development rumor is what I was talking about
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ah, yeah. I read the articles as well..
I'm currently using one of the HyperJuice 100W for my devices https://www.kickstarter.com/project...t-100w-gan-charger/posts/2919125?ref=activity
and this one on order https://www.kickstarter.com/project...t-100w-gan-charger/posts/2909520?ref=activity
That HyperJuice looks cool, but from the comments, it looks like people are having random issues with the charger and actually getting the charger..... I have been happy with Anker chargers anyway. I already have their newer PD car charger like 38 or 42 watts or what ever it is. I have not upgraded my wall chargers from Anker yet..... I am waiting for a 6 port USB C PD charger, but I doubt that will come out for a while because it would need to be over 100 watts.
samsung really watered down the note this year 45w charging is just one of the compromises on this device unfortunately.
not that there was a huge difference in 25 and 45 w charging times but thats not the point. The Note is supposed to be the workhorse the flagship so they should not be removing features.
force70 said:
samsung really watered down the note this year 45w charging is just one of the compromises on this device unfortunately.
not that there was a huge difference in 25 and 45 w charging times but thats not the point. The Note is supposed to be the workhorse the flagship so they should not be removing features.
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I'm wondering is that a software flip they can make to enable it. I bought one for our two N10+ and when I need a lot of charge in a pinch, it delivers. I have it in the kitchen as central location. Forgot to charge it at night, getting ready in the morning, running down to 5%...set it for 15-20 minutes and we're good.
I don't know what crawled up Samsungs back side but it seems like we're being prepped for loss of features as a bonus for premium prices.
Headphone jack
FM Antenna
45watt charging
smaller storage
smaller battery
wired earphones
and soon to be charging brick.
Personally I'd like them to ditch the curved edges.
rosedog said:
I'm wondering is that a software flip they can make to enable it. I bought one for our two N10+ and when I need a lot of charge in a pinch, it delivers. I have it in the kitchen as central location. Forgot to charge it at night, getting ready in the morning, running down to 5%...set it for 15-20 minutes and we're good.
I don't know what crawled up Samsungs back side but it seems like we're being prepped for loss of features as a bonus for premium prices.
Headphone jack
FM Antenna
45watt charging
smaller storage
smaller battery
wired earphones
and soon to be charging brick.
Personally I'd like them to ditch the curved edges.
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Don't forget the IR blaster!
PsiPhiDan said:
Don't forget the IR blaster!
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Those were so much fun at the bar. Nothing like being able to turn off tennis and put on baseball without having to ask, LOL.
Snowleopard1900 said:
That HyperJuice looks cool, but from the comments, it looks like people are having random issues with the charger and actually getting the charger..... I have been happy with Anker chargers anyway. I already have their newer PD car charger like 38 or 42 watts or what ever it is. I have not upgraded my wall chargers from Anker yet..... I am waiting for a 6 port USB C PD charger, but I doubt that will come out for a while because it would need to be over 100 watts.
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Just remember. When you're dealing with happy people, they tend not to post about it. When you're dealing with upset people, they tend to scream from the rooftops in our heard the loudest. Same with posting online...
I've had mine for a while now, and no issues at all with the hyperjuice. some of the edges were little sharper than I liked, I simply sanded them down and no issues.
The only real complaint I had was, it didn't support the full Gambit of USB PD profiles. So no PPS like Samsung was touting. Now that other one by CIO does support PPS and all the other standards. That one is really exciting to me
Mr. Orange 645 said:
Those were so much fun at the bar. Nothing like being able to turn off tennis and put on baseball without having to ask, LOL.
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[emoji817] 100% I've been preaching and asking for the ir port to be brought back. I stuck with my note 4 through many generations until I killed it and couldn't get parts anymore for it.
@rosedog
Has to have the proper chipset #1
And also has to have compatible battery chemistry. The thicker charging leads on the boards, thermal sensors. Etc. Could be there. Guess we will find out soon enough with teardowns.
i bought a used alcatel 7, it has IR.
i carry it when i go travel, to change hotel tv input so i can stream my video.

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