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I read some infos in google but dont know whats sensor comes with turbo/maxx, anyone confirms anything?
Think its the same sony sensor from xperia z3.
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Think its the same sony sensor from xperia z3.
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I think that too but no ones from. Motooola confirmes nothing
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I think that too but no ones from. Motooola confirmes nothing
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It is 100% for certain a Sony sensor. It is the same as the Z2 and Z3. Sony has different optics and better camera drivers/software.
The Z2 and Z3 don't have the same sensor.....
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The Z2 and Z3 don't have the same sensor.....
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Yes they do and if we want to go further with it, so does the Z1. They differ in optics. Reading material for you:
http://www.gsmarena.com/sony_xperia_z3_compact-review-1135p8.php
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exmor
http://www.phonearena.com/news/First-camera-samples-from-the-Motorola-DROID-Turbo_id62258
IMX220
Sony Xperia Z1
Sony Xperia Z1 Compact
Sony Xperia Z2
Sony Xperia Z3
Sony Xperia Z3 Compact
Meizu MX4
Fun fact: The Z3V is the same sensor and optics setup as the Z2.
I'm personally glad it's sony hardware without sony's software post processing
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I'm personally glad it's sony hardware without sony's software post processing
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I'm not, because without that software, photos are still mediocre comparing to those who can get the Z series with the same sensor.
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I read some infos in google but dont know whats sensor comes with turbo/maxx, anyone confirms anything?
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Think its the same sony sensor from xperia z3.
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I think that too but no ones from. Motooola confirmes nothing
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Indeed I was researcing the same some months ago before purchasing the Maxx, and although no one can confirm it, it was obvious for me after I spend a lot of time looking for some information.
First place, the resolution is not so common, so there are no many sensors on the market with it. Second, actual resolution it is 20.7M and not 21M. Often, most of companies just round the numbers up to keep it simple. Third and final one, this camera has no OIS, so for elimination and conclusion, the only sensor that fulfill this specs it is the IMX220.
The other possible option was the IMX230, but it is not released yet as far as I know.
I think there is still plenty of room for improvement, but we have to take in mind that Motorola is really young in image processing software.
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I'm not, because without that software, photos are still mediocre comparing to those who can get the Z series with the same sensor.
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Are you sure about this? Sony has not been praised for their post processing because it is noisy and grainy.Also the colours are a little washed out compared to the competition and is colder in colour temperature. The ISO is pumped up absurdly high for night shots as well creating noise and artifacts. I have always felt sony's post processing especially in their auto mode is what is holding them back. This doesn't mean nobody can get good shots but when put into perspective by using a competitor's camera side by side it is hard to argue for sony. The shots look good when not being compared to another camera.
Also someone was upset enough to create a petition for them to fix their software.
https://www.change.org/p/sony-mobile-fix-the-camera-software-sony
Sony handheld cameras are great but their mobile division is a different story. I don't think they even work together that's how disjointed that company is.
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Are you sure about this? Sony has not been praised for their post processing because it is noisy and grainy.Also the colours are a little washed out compared to the competition and is colder in colour temperature. The ISO is pumped up absurdly high for night shots as well creating noise and artifacts. I have always felt sony's post processing especially in their auto mode is what is holding them back. This doesn't mean nobody can get good shots but when put into perspective by using a competitor's camera side by side it is hard to argue for sony. The shots look good when not being compared to another camera.
Also someone was upset enough to create a petition for them to fix their software.
https://www.change.org/p/sony-mobile-fix-the-camera-software-sony
Sony handheld cameras are great but their mobile division is a different story. I don't think they even work together that's how disjointed that company is.
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I know 2 persons who had Z series and the pictures were really nice, I mean, I'm not saying that Maxx's camera is bad, but I have seen many times that for a "top" sensor, I'm not getting the quality I should; many times I feel that my Nexus 5 take better pictures.
Also I don't know if this is regarding the resolution I use, because I'm not using the full resolution, I'm using 15.5M (16:9) resolution. Would be nice to know if quality is also determined by this factor.
Have you compared pictures against the Nexus 5?
Like I said for sony and many other phones with good cameras, the pictures look good by themselves. When you really compare and examine the details by taking the same picture and cropping to compare do you really see the differences that you cannot see at a glance as easily.
I have G3 which I will compare it against soon. I have taken a few shots against my 2013 Moto X and without a doubt it is far better in detail and lighting as well as white balance.
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I'm not, because without that software, photos are still mediocre comparing to those who can get the Z series with the same sensor.
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Indeed I was researcing the same some months ago before purchasing the Maxx, and although no one can confirm it, it was obvious for me after I spend a lot of time looking for some information.
First place, the resolution is not so common, so there are no many sensors on the market with it. Second, actual resolution it is 20.7M and not 21M. Often, most of companies just round the numbers up to keep it simple. Third and final one, this camera has no OIS, so for elimination and conclusion, the only sensor that fulfill this specs it is the IMX220.
The other possible option was the IMX230, but it is not released yet as far as I know.
I think there is still plenty of room for improvement, but we have to take in mind that Motorola is really young in image processing software.
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So...the software isn't what makes the camera perform well. It is the sensor, optics and the driver. The sensor and optics aren't our issue, neither is the software. Its the driver. Unfortunately, this isn't a strong field for Motorola and never has been.
Oh and it *is* the 220, same as the Z1,Z2,Z3. There is no question about it.
That was what I meant when saying "software"; sometimes I don't know the precise words.
Anyway, does someone can confirm or deny that changing the resolution from 4:3 to 16:9 would reduce drastically the quality of the photo?.
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That was what I meant when saying "software"; sometimes I don't know the precise words.
Anyway, does someone can confirm or deny that changing the resolution from 4:3 to 16:9 would reduce drastically the quality of the photo?.
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Not enough to matter IMO.
I can confirm that changing the resolution does not affect the quality of the picture the 16/9 it's just a 4/3 photo cropped
Enviado desde mi XT1225
All is 5248 x 3936 - so most likely it is‼
I dont think câmera is mediocre, here https://m.flickr.com/#/photos/[email protected]/sets/72157649533856771/
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I dont think câmera is mediocre, here https://m.flickr.com/#/photos/[email protected]/sets/72157649533856771/
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It isn't. The driver is.
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I Third and final one, this camera has no OIS, so for elimination and conclusion, the only sensor that fulfill this specs it is the IMX220.
I think there is still plenty of room for improvement, but we have to take in mind that Motorola is really young in image processing software.
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Google made Motorola put in OIS for the Motorola Nexus 6, since the LG Nexus 5 (based on the excellent LG phones) had it.
I know that's only a 13 MP camera, but I would gladly trade the pixels for OIS. The lack of OIS keeps this phone from being perfect.
My goodness -- 5.2" 1440p/Snapdragon 805/3GB RAM/turbo charging (also like the Nexus 6)/Qi wireless charging (like the Nexus 6, but very important to me as my Nexus 5 had it) . I'm pretty sure the 5.2" Shamu protoype had the 13MP OIS rear camera. Shame Motorola did not keep that.
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It isn't. The driver is.
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Not the driver, the post processing.
The camera is great but we don't have any kind of settings to take advantage of it.
Even with third part app the configurations are limited.
I have hope in Lollipop with manual camera. (or i'll sell my Maxx and buy an Xperia again)
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please some one send photo without resize or edit in dark an light room with droid turbo
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hi
please some one send photo without resize or edit in dark an light room with droid turbo
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Here you go:
https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B-5iREiW33sdLU5hZk4zUzV2SzA/edit
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Here you go:
https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B-5iREiW33sdLU5hZk4zUzV2SzA/edit
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i think it's a little bit dark for 21Mpixel camera ?
i Irresolute to buy nexus 6 or droid turbo
camera it's very important for me
s27moto said:
i think it's a little bit dark for 21Mpixel camera ?
i Irresolute to buy nexus 6 or droid turbo
camera it's very important for me
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the fact its, nexus 6 has better camera
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i think it's a little bit dark for 21Mpixel camera ?
i Irresolute to buy nexus 6 or droid turbo
camera it's very important for me
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Jaocagomez said:
the fact its, nexus 6 has better camera
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I think is because of the lack of OIS, which Nexus 6 has. If camera it´s important to you, then maybe you should wait for the new LG G4 which camera promises a lot.
or S6
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the fact its, nexus 6 has better camera
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That's a matter of opinion. I've owned both.
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or S6
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LG G4 has batter hardware camera overall, but we should expect until device comes out to make a photo comparison; I hope LG doesn't harm the camera quality with some cheap or unfinished software., but as rumors said, it will implement the new Camera2 API completely, so it's a deal breaker for someone who camera on his device is the top priority.
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That's a matter of opinion. I've owned both.
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I always ask to myself this, if the lack of OIS compensate in some way with more MP and a bigger sensor.
What's your opinion then?.
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LG G4 has batter hardware camera overall, but we should expect until device comes out to make a photo comparison; I hope LG doesn't harm the camera quality with some cheap or unfinished software., but as rumors said, it will implement the new Camera2 API completely, so it's a deal breaker for someone who camera on his device is the top priority.
I always ask to myself this, if the lack of OIS compensate in some way with more MP and a bigger sensor.
What's your opinion then?.
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OIS is overrated IMO. It helps with those who have shaky hands but action shots will still be hit and miss. Motorola has never been able to write a decent camera driver, and they write it for both the Turbo and N6. The turbo/maxx takes higher quality pictures (not really taking into consideration MP, but takes longer to focus. The Nexus 6 takes faster pics, but to me the colors are dull and lifeless.
Id be interested in a camera showdown using Manual Camera on both in jpg mode. It makes up for some of the shortcomings on the devices.
Does anyone have any tips to make the photos crisper? They seems fuzzy
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Does anyone have any tips to make the photos crisper? They seems fuzzy
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Are you talking about back or front camera?
Pharrax said:
Are you talking about back or front camera?
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Sorry Back cam
The zoom is pathetic, I give it that. I'm visually impaired and frequently use the camera to read at a distance. Can't do it on this phone.
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The zoom is pathetic, I give it that. I'm visually impaired and frequently use the camera to read at a distance. Can't do it on this phone.
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It's digital zoom, obviously you lose quality when using it.
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It's digital zoom, obviously you lose quality when using it.
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All phones are digital zoom to my knowledge. This is the worst camera for zoom I've ever had on a phone.
not sure why people are complaining on smartphone cameras expecting to provide SLR like features.
3T camera is not bad at all, in fact it is better than in my HTC 10
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Does anyone have any tips to make the photos crisper? They seems fuzzy
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you did remove the small piece of film over the lens? (sorry had to ask)
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you did remove the small piece of film over the lens? (sorry had to ask)
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... there's film over the lens? I didn't see it, and can't see it now
The iPhone with 2 cameras have optical zoom. So not all phones. Probably some huawei phones as well.
If you want clear zoom (for visually impaired) get a zoom lens that clips on.
As for fuzziness (this note is for OP) try fussing with the app. HQ mode etc.. Also is it low light or bright light?
get the google camera 4.2 apk very nice shoots
Hello everyone!
Creating this thread in order to clarify some details about our device.
I recently bought it (Europe version-xt1085,3Gb RAM/32gb) but instead of a SD625 it has a SD626. How is it possible? And giving the fact that there are rumors that also note that our camera sensor is a Sony IMX 258 Bayer and not a samsung CMOS makes me doubt much of the initial information provided or found. Can somebody please post different screenshots from the first page of CPU-Z and also to check system/etc/camera for camera msm Sanders XML for those who have the device rooted? I do not want to root it yet as Oreo updates are rolling in a couple of days.
I also want to find a solution to exceed the limitations of the software processing of the camera to the full potential of the sensor (if it is a Sony one indeed).
Thank you
Also take a look at the attachment.
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SD 626 too
Mine also says Snapdragon 626, it's a CPU-Z bug. But regarding the camera sensor I have no idea if there's any way to improve the image quality via modifying the image processing.
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SD 626 too
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Do you have a XT1085 or XT1084?
And could you please pull out the files i requested?
The ones in the camera foldee that write Msm sanders or so. The ones who show the real camera sensor.
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Mine also says Snapdragon 626, it's a CPU-Z bug. But regarding the camera sensor I have no idea if there's any way to improve the image quality via modifying the image processing.
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I checked with different applications. You might be right. It is very odd tho.
What about the camera files?
If you go to Moto G5 Plus's theming and modding forum, you'll see a thread explaining how. And how it gives rise to possibilities of other devices as well.
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I checked with different applications. You might be right. It is very odd tho.
What about the camera files?
If you go to Moto G5 Plus's theming and modding forum, you'll see a thread explaining how. And how it gives rise to possibilities of other devices as well.
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Mine is an XT1806, and it's not rooted so I don't think I can get those files. Let me see
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Do you have a XT1085 or XT1084?
And could you please pull out the files i requested?
The ones in the camera foldee that write Msm sanders or so. The ones who show the real camera sensor.
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XT1800 Latam
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XT1800 Latam
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I just checked the file. It shows S5K8L3 which unfortunately is a ****ty Samsung CMOS sensor. I don't think there is much to be done with this sensor. We're ****ed.
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I just checked the file. It shows S5K8L3 which unfortunately is a ****ty Samsung CMOS sensor. I don't think there is much to be done with this sensor. We're ****ed.
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Btw I remember you from the Galaxy Ace i days
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Btw I remember you from the Galaxy Ace i days
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Wow that is so nice! And nostalgic. Its been a few years of my absence. I am back with this device now and it is intriguing me a lot to develop again. Currently waiting for the Oreo update and then I'll do my full research on the device.
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I just checked the file. It shows S5K8L3 which unfortunately is a ****ty Samsung CMOS sensor. I don't think there is much to be done with this sensor. We're ****ed.
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Are you sure thats not the selfie cam? Pretty sure the dual camera has been 100% confirmed a sony sensor already
(Link) This guy contacted moto directly and they said it was the IMX258 / IMX258 Mono
William1020000 said:
Are you sure thats not the selfie cam? Pretty sure the dual camera has been 100% confirmed a sony sensor already
(Link) This guy contacted moto directly and they said it was the IMX258 / IMX258 Mono
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You can see clearly the name S5K3L8 as the rear sensor (mono&rgb). And at the other screenshot, the name S5K4H8 which is a selfie samsung sensor. You can google both of these sensors and their details are going to match our device's details.
There are also two files of the IMX258 in the camera folder but they're useless or maybe they put it to fake the users who, like me and many more, would be pissed off if they found out what a crap of a sensor they would have in their device.
The dev of the camera improvements of G5 Plus told me that the only way of improving it is by copying the tuning of other S5K3L8 sensors used in other devices. But it is used in Xiaomi Redmi 4 and its camera is worse than ours so i don't think that is going to be a good idea. Another way actually is by modifying the libs yourself. Which i cannot do at the moment.
Just use Google Camera for taking pictures atm. Its HDR+ mode is a touch of magic.
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You can see clearly the name S5K3L8 as the rear sensor (mono&rgb). And at the other screenshot, the name S5K4H8 which is a selfie samsung sensor. You can google both of these sensors and their details are going to match our device's details.
There are also two files of the IMX258 in the camera folder but they're useless or maybe they put it to fake the users who, like me and many more, would be pissed off if they found out what a crap of a sensor they would have in their device.
The dev of the camera improvements of G5 Plus told me that the only way of improving it is by copying the tuning of other S5K3L8 sensors used in other devices. But it is used in Xiaomi Redmi 4 and its camera is worse than ours so i don't think that is going to be a good idea. Another way actually is by modifying the libs yourself. Which i cannot do at the moment.
Just use Google Camera for taking pictures atm. Its HDR+ mode is a touch of magic.
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The only way to confirm properly is to look at the hardware. Any idea where we may be able to find images of just the Samsung camera module so I can compare it the the one in my G5S+?
To be honest I'm very happy with the way my HDR+ photos turn out.
My family are convinced this has a better camera than the iPhone SE from using gcam, so the phone must be somewhat capable of good photos Low light photos are crap though, tons of noise.
EDIT: Samsung specs say the S5K3L8 sensor is capable of only 30fps. Given we can record 1080p/60fps maybe it isn't that sensor?
That's strange, my g5s plus can only shoot 1080p/30fps. I don't know if it was after the latest camera update or not.
Edit: my mistake, apparently i was looking at the front camera settings. The rear camera can shot 1080p/60 just fine and are up to 30fps 4k
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The only way to confirm properly is to look at the hardware. Any idea where we may be able to find images of just the Samsung camera module so I can compare it the the one in my G5S+?
To be honest I'm very happy with the way my HDR+ photos turn out.
My family are convinced this has a better camera than the iPhone SE from using gcam, so the phone must be somewhat capable of good photos Low light photos are crap though, tons of noise.
EDIT: Samsung specs say the S5K3L8 sensor is capable of only 30fps. Given we can record 1080p/60fps maybe it isn't that sensor?
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The samsung sensor is capable of shooting 4k videos but it is not enabled in most devices that are using it. For example in Xiaomi Redmi devices. I do not know precisely why and how but any speculation would bring no improvement to the camera whatsoever.
Hi, bought the phone 2 days ago, because it's not with 888, it's not with curved display and has a ultra wide camera with AF and macro capabilities with raw support.
To my surprise, the quality of the raw file from the ultra wide is worse than from the periscope - there are some strange bright dots when you zoom in to 100%, which lead to overall bad quality of the ready image. I guess they are the phase focus pixels, but they shouldn't be visible without any heavy editing.
So, is it just me, or the problem is global, so I know how to proceed with this? I'm leaving a crop depicting the problem.
Are you sure the ultra wide angle has AF? but yeah it looks weird...
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Are you sure the ultra wide angle has AF? but yeah it looks weird...
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That's why I chose this phone, for the af of the ultra wide.
I don't see it mentioned anywhere but as you have the phone you should know it better than me!
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That's why I chose this phone, for the af of the ultra wide.
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You are right, the Edge 20 review on GSMArena mentions the AF for wide angle. A good thing, but it's strange that the ultra wide angle pictures seem a bit blurry then. Did you try with Gcam?
Not yet.
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You are right, the Edge 20 review on GSMArena mentions the AF for wide angle. A good thing, but it's strange that the ultra wide angle pictures seem a bit blurry then. Did you try with Gcam?
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Tried gcam, same story...
Which Gcam version you use? Try enabling Sabre and see if it makes a difference.
I tried the latest bsg, but removed it, cause the results weren't satisfactory or better than using the stock app as a real camera.
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I tried the latest bsg, but removed it, cause the results weren't satisfactory or better than using the stock app as a real camera.
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Hey did you manage to solve this issue? Any suggestions for the lackluster RAW outputs from the stock camera app??
The battle is legendary. Still no success defeating the defect. If it is a demozaicing problem, Motorola should fix it.
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The battle is legendary. Still no success defeating the defect. If it is a demozaicing problem, Motorola should fix it.
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THanks for the reply. I wonder how happy you are overall with the cameras? I've found that the front facing one is quite dark and has WB issues. In general the photos coming out of the stock camera seem riddled with artifacts and oversharpened.
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THanks for the reply. I wonder how happy you are overall with the cameras? I've found that the front facing one is quite dark and has WB issues. In general the photos coming out of the stock camera seem riddled with artifacts and oversharpened.
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Camera Is great as I see in reviews from owners and websites .
I don't even bother shooting in jpg, this is Motorola and they suck in camera performance and resolution logic.
But, I shoot raw, which is possible even with the selfie cam, and after a minute of editing I get sharp and impressive images, and that's why I bought it - the sensors itself are quite capable. If I find a solution to the problem with the ultrawide, the phone is a keeper...
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Camera Is great as I see in reviews from owners and websites .
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I actually own it. Reviews and (average) owners don't understand what we're talking about. Some offence.
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I don't even bother shooting in jpg, this is Motorola and they suck in camera performance and resolution logic.
But, I shoot raw, which is possible even with the selfie cam, and after a minute of editing I get sharp and impressive images, and that's why I bought it - the sensors itself are quite capable. If I find a solution to the problem with the ultrawide, the phone is a keeper...
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I hate the selfie cam and when video calling tho.... I look like a waterpainting and tanned
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I hate the selfie cam and when video calling tho.... I look like a waterpainting and tanned
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Learn to make your own jpg and you'll be able to see the dirt in your wrinkles on the selfies.
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I don't even bother shooting in jpg, this is Motorola and they suck in camera performance and resolution logic.
But, I shoot raw, which is possible even with the selfie cam, and after a minute of editing I get sharp and impressive images, and that's why I bought it - the sensors itself are quite capable. If I find a solution to the problem with the ultrawide, the phone is a keeper...
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Have you try Google cam ?
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Have you try Google cam ?
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Answered already here. Jpg from phones and actual cameras suck. The raw from gcam is also worse than using the phone as a real camera. Here's an example, learn photography if you expect miracles from a tiny sensor...
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Answered already here. Jpg from phones and actual cameras suck. The raw from gcam is also worse than using the phone as a real camera. Here's an example, learn photography if you expect miracles from a tiny sensor...
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Hasli's LMC Google camera mod seems to be working better with the wide angle cam (no artifacts)