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[Q] Low available Ram !!!

Hey Guys ... Did you look to the Ram status in the Galaxy Note ???
I have 600+/800 usage in normal situations !!! and when I clear ram it reached to 400+ which goes back to more than 600 Mb after moderate usage !!! what about in your Notes guys ??? Any solution for this ?? plz comments ....

What is it you are planning on doing with the free ram? Has the use of ram caused any problems? Don't worry about it and use the device. There is no point in trying to worry about something which is being used or not being used which is not affecting you in any way. Until it does have fun with the phone.

Do you think Android is running on air? The Note has 1GB RAM which the OS takes 200MB at boot. The rest is used by apps and other things. If you're not going to use the RAM, then why do you need it?
"My computer uses 50MB of RAM, And i have 32GB of it!" WHAT'S THE POINT?!

Try RAM Manager by Juwe. Be aware that the more memory you free up the worse multitasking will be.

Are you kidding me? Use RAM Manager when your device has 1GB of it? Please slap me as hard as you can.

This thread needs to be deleted.
RAM is there to be used.
I would use 100% of my RAM 100% of the time if I could. If it's not being used, it's being wasted.

Unused RAM is totally wasted. When 2GB devices come out OMG my device is using 1GB out of my 2GB!!!

To each his own, who are you to tell others what to do with their RAM? I'm not your typical "as much free memory as possible freak" but how comes that when I kill some apps before running something more intensive it's usually smoother and performs better?

pjm77 said:
To each his own, who are you to tell others what to do with their RAM? I'm not your typical "as much free memory as possible freak" but how comes that when I kill some apps before running something more intensive it's usually smoother and performs better?
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I've never had to manually kill apps with my G-Note, so I dont know what your doing wrong, Could be a faulty device as far as I can tell.

Thanks for your advice, I'm running to get it replaced.

pjm77 said:
Thanks for your advice, I'm running to get it replaced.
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600mb usage is totally normal on moderate use. Obviously you don't know how RAM Management work on Android. Go and replace your phone but nothing will change.
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Would you replace your computer because it's using to much RAM?
Chances are you would find the RAM hog and keep it from starting up when not neccesary.
600mb is normal usage.... if you are not happy with that high of usage delete the apps that have services running or are always in the background. Android does this for you as you approach full RAM usage anyways though...

garytube said:
600mb usage is totally normal on moderate use. Obviously you don't know how RAM Management work on Android. Go and replace your phone but nothing will change.
Ever heard of irony?
Of course I'm not gonna get it replaced I'm happy with the way it is.
Yes, I've read about Android memory management quite a while ago. Very smart and very convincing. Now on the other hand - every now and then after some intense moments - let's say I'm driving and I'm using offline satnav then online satnav then there is a phonecall, then I make a voice note, I get out, send a text, use my GTD app and whatever else - after hours of such use when I get home, stretch my legs and I fancy to play let's say Galaxy on Fire 2, I find it smoother and less likely to crash if I just press "kill all apps" button in Task Manager. And since I installed RAM Manager I don't have to do it. And I haven't noticed any side effects that would interfere with my style of using my phone.
So guess what - I really don't give a **** about Android memory management and all expert opinions because I know what works for me and I'm happy with that state of things.
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pjm77 said:
garytube said:
600mb usage is totally normal on moderate use. Obviously you don't know how RAM Management work on Android. Go and replace your phone but nothing will change.
Ever heard of irony?
Of course I'm not gonna get it replaced I'm happy with the way it is.
Yes, I've read about Android memory management quite a while ago. Very smart and very convincing. Now on the other hand - every now and then after some intense moments - let's say I'm driving and I'm using offline satnav then online satnav then there is a phonecall, then I make a voice note, I get out, send a text, use my GTD app and whatever else - after hours of such use when I get home, stretch my legs and I fancy to play let's say Galaxy on Fire 2, I find it smoother and less likely to crash if I just press "kill all apps" button in Task Manager. And since I installed RAM Manager I don't have to do it. And I haven't noticed any side effects that would interfere with my style of using my phone.
So guess what - I really don't give a **** about Android memory management and all expert opinions because I know what works for me and I'm happy with that state of things.
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I liked your response, but it's not irony, it's sarcasm
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pjm77 said:
garytube said:
600mb usage is totally normal on moderate use. Obviously you don't know how RAM Management work on Android. Go and replace your phone but nothing will change.
Ever heard of irony?
Of course I'm not gonna get it replaced I'm happy with the way it is.
Yes, I've read about Android memory management quite a while ago. Very smart and very convincing. Now on the other hand - every now and then after some intense moments - let's say I'm driving and I'm using offline satnav then online satnav then there is a phonecall, then I make a voice note, I get out, send a text, use my GTD app and whatever else - after hours of such use when I get home, stretch my legs and I fancy to play let's say Galaxy on Fire 2, I find it smoother and less likely to crash if I just press "kill all apps" button in Task Manager. And since I installed RAM Manager I don't have to do it. And I haven't noticed any side effects that would interfere with my style of using my phone.
So guess what - I really don't give a **** about Android memory management and all expert opinions because I know what works for me and I'm happy with that state of things.
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it looks like to me that you posted in this thread just to promote RAM Manager
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TeeeJaay said:
pjm77 said:
it looks like to me that you posted in this thread just to promote RAM Manager
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I posted in this thread beacuse another user complained about the problem that I came across and found solution to. It's certainly not the best one, but it's the one that works for me.
In the meantime I got ridiculed by more social-oriented users who need to accept and be accepted. To which I got upset and posted some crap. As a result I hijacked the thread. I apologize and shut up.
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LordManhattan said:
Are you kidding me? Use RAM Manager when your device has 1GB of it? Please slap me as hard as you can.
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Samsung makes us fool it has only 800MB RAM. Even i thought it was 1GB.

It has 1GB. 200MB is reserved for the system.
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Memory usage
My daughter started a game where a photo is used in the programme, and I got the message "Free RAM low, resolution of photo reduced". Had to kill running services to be able to run it without the reduced resolution. Checked the overall Galaxy Note ram usage and just out of the box I have around 230mb free of RAM, I have an HTC Desire HD (768 ram) that has the same free and it is filled with running apps. When you get that kind of messages from a new phone, from some ****ty simple kid programme before I have even filled it up with stuff I get really annoyed. When I kill all I can i can get max up to 400mb.

Yup, TouchWiz is a greedy RAM eating whore. Wait for CM9 and then you'll see why custom UIs like TouchWiz and Sense is bull****.
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How much average free RAM do you have left on your Note 4 during Usage?

Though I continue be impressed by the Battery Life and ability to move Apps to SD on the T-Mobile Note 4, I've noticed the free RAM availability is pretty slim when using the device on a day-to-day basis. The T-Mobile Note 4 is probably one of those carrier devices that I've experience containing little or not bloat. Not sure if the 3GB RAM specification lives up to its value. Makes room for Samsung to add more to the background process. In reality, a stock Vanilla Android device uses about 1/3 of its RAM whereas anything overlaying it like Touchwiz or HTC Sense uses more.

arjun90 said:
Though I continue be impressed by the Battery Life and ability to move Apps to SD on the T-Mobile Note 4, I've noticed the free RAM availability is pretty slim when using the device on a day-to-day basis. The T-Mobile Note 4 is probably one of those carrier devices that I've experience containing little or not bloat. Not sure if the 3GB RAM specification lives up to its value. Makes room for Samsung to add more to the background process. In reality, a stock Vanilla Android device uses about 1/3 of its RAM whereas anything overlaying it like Touchwiz or HTC Sense uses more.
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After an heavy debloat and greenify a lot, I have about 1.2 gig free after reboot and then drop and stay around 400-500mb after some use. I use next launcher, though, which is heavy on ram and I currently(temporarily) use Pimp my Screen which is ridiculiously heavy. I use a Wave live wallpaper, which I never used a live wallpaper on my S2, 3, or 4, but I had ram to spare and I like it. So, thats rpobably 200mb used up in looking pretty. After fresh Rom, I was losing 2% overnight. So I'm pleased but I agree that more RAM in phone is more RAM used by phone and you kinda end up with the same numbers in the end.

This has been long discussed and resolved years ago. Android is designed to utilize as much RAM as possible to function smoothly. If you're phone is running poorly or not quickly enough, chances are it's a rogue app that was made poorly causing your issue.
RAM usage should not be likened to an OS like Windows.

Not being an Apple fanboy, it seems Apple was able to optimize their apps just right to go hand-in-hand with the available RAM.
mzrdisi said:
This has been long discussed and resolved years ago. Android is designed to utilize as much RAM as possible to function smoothly. If you're phone is running poorly or not quickly enough, chances are it's a rogue app that was made poorly causing your issue.
RAM usage should not be likened to an OS like Windows.
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Exactly my thought, "So I'm pleased but I agree that more RAM in phone is more RAM used by phone and you kinda end up with the same numbers in the end."
I'll need to monitor which apps causes my device to occupy over 90% of the RAM at all times. Ironically, my device has not once froze up or restarted. I'm stunned if the device can keep up in this environment.
Bubba Fett said:
After an heavy debloat and greenify a lot, I have about 1.2 gig free after reboot and then drop and stay around 400-500mb after some use. I use next launcher, though, which is heavy on ram and I currently(temporarily) use Pimp my Screen which is ridiculiously heavy. I use a Wave live wallpaper, which I never used a live wallpaper on my S2, 3, or 4, but I had ram to spare and I like it. So, thats rpobably 200mb used up in looking pretty. After fresh Rom, I was losing 2% overnight. So I'm pleased but I agree that more RAM in phone is more RAM used by phone and you kinda end up with the same numbers in the end.
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I'm not sure why but I like to see free ram. Iknow what people say about killing apps and then they restart…… but I'm a bit of a battery dork and spend decent time on tweaks for power. I feel like I get as good or better than I've seen posted and I try to have as much ram as possible free. It has always worked for me, but my phone habits may be different from others. I don't even have a facebook account.
Oh yea, Apple has to pre-optimized because their user can't do it for themselves!)

I'm just saying, I'm sure the Software engineers know quite a bit more about the subject than hobbyists like many of us on here.
People obsess about battery life all the time and all of these tweaks and apps people use I find don't do any real good. I'm not saying they don't help at all, because it would seem based on some people's claims it does. But I feel there are so many other factors that really are the problem. Primarily how you just simply use your phone. And 2nd, which is the issue I find most often on Android is someone downloading a terrible app that is running in the BG allll day without them really knowing it. (GPS being used frequently or the kernel is kept awake for long periods of time)
But my point above was that you will and really shouldn't see your device with 50% or more RAM on an Android device. It's just not designed to be that way. If the apps you are using are basically "made" properly. You don't need to worry about having to close apps or block them from running.

One of the culprits using a lot of RAM is Lookout Mobile Security. I have T-Mobile Jump. Never knew Lookout was one of the culprits.

Memory management issues

It seems that OP3 has some Memory Management issues right no:
http://www.gsmarena.com/video_shows_the_oneplus_3_struggling_to_manage_its_6gb_of_ram-blog-18866.php
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vYv8YQJbJaQ
Let's hope OP and/or custom ROM developers will fix that in a near future. Otherwise, 6GB would be completely useless.

tnttrx said:
It seems that OP3 has some Memory Management issues right no:
http://www.gsmarena.com/video_shows_the_oneplus_3_struggling_to_manage_its_6gb_of_ram-blog-18866.php
Let's hope OP and/or custom ROM developers will fix that in a near future. Otherwise, 6GB would be completely useless.
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That looks pretty bad from the YouTube vid, hope its fixable

Really want to know if the test has been made before or after updating to OOS 3.1.2... and what OOS 3.1.2 changelog is !

I think it was made before the update. They said in another video that they have had it since June 5th and that they will be releasing multiple videos soon. I am guessing this is one of those videos. But that doesn't mean it is fixed.

I have posted a question about update 3.1.2 to video owner.
Let's see what he replies.

To me this comment makes a lot of sense too:
Very interesting test, but not very conclusive. From video history of the same test performed on different devices by C4ETech:
1:05 - 1:54 - 1st and 2nd round - Galaxy S7 (exynos, 4Gb)
1:01 - 1:35 - 1st and 2nd round - Galaxy S7 Edge (exynos, 4Gb)
1:24 - 2:00 - 1st and 2nd round - HTC 10 (SD820, 4Gb)
1:05 - 2:10 - 1st and 2nd round - LG G5 (SD820, 4Gb)
1:10 - 2:22 - 1st and 2nd round - Oneplus 3 (SD820, 6Gb)
If you compare those numbers, you will see that:
1) +/- 5 seconds don't really mean anything. S7E vs S7 with same CPU and same ram in 2 tests gave different results in the 1st round.
2) Memory management can be luck of the draw and depends on other factors. Again difference is S7 vs S7E clearly shows that one app is still in memory in one test and not in memory on the other, even though hardware and software are almost the same (if you don't consider S7 and S7E to be all that different). Otherwise you might as well call S7E "awesome" phone and S7 "crappy" phone.
3) Speed of all those (except HTC10) is almost the same judging by the 1st round. HTC10 is just a bit slower due to storage (emmc on HTC 10 vs ufs on others)
4) Now that new phones have so much memory (that is clearly not utilized to full potential), there really should be an update to the android system as a whole to take advantage of it. I don't see any reason for any of these devices (regardless of 4Gb or 6Gb) to unload apps from memory in the scenario of this test. Good thing is that tools/apps exist that can force system to keep apps in memory, if desired, but it is not really a substitute for better native memory management (by android as a whole) that can take advantage of all the ram available.
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Yeahj.. just wait for the update

And even if it was the slowest of them it comes with dev friendly sources and not with a locked bootloader and too high price

dev friendly sources should be the way to overcome this issue at least in custom ROMs... we will see...

Carl Pei wrote on twitter, that they did this on purpose for better battery life and it is possible to change it within the framework, if someone wants to change it.

Shusky said:
Carl Pei wrote on twitter, that they did this on purpose for better battery life and it is possible to change it within the framework, if someone wants to change it.
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OMG!
well, freeze app, don't let it do anything, no data, no CPU usage -> that will save battery.
do not throw it away from RAM!

tnttrx said:
OMG!
well, freeze app, don't let it do anything, no data, no CPU usage -> that will save battery.
do not throw it away from RAM!
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What exactly are we seeing here that people are calling memory management issues? OOM/LMK limits? Or are we stashing too much in RAM? I can't see the video because of the network I am on. I am certain it can be fixed regardless and tuned to ensure the issue is gone.

DespairFactor said:
What exactly are we seeing here that people are calling memory management issues? OOM/LMK limits? Or are we stashing too much in RAM? I can't see the video because of the network I am on. I am certain it can be fixed regardless and tuned to ensure the issue is gone.
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Exactly OOM/LMK limits. 16 apps are opened, then 2 large games are kicked from the cache and have to reload. That's about it.

Will there be any xposed mod possible for this issue?
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Same guy did a new video with 3.1.2 update and compared.

I have the device in hand now and not seeing any issues with all apps open not one relloaded but if i open all on my s7e some start to reload

DespairFactor said:
What exactly are we seeing here that people are calling memory management issues? OOM/LMK limits? Or are we stashing too much in RAM? I can't see the video because of the network I am on. I am certain it can be fixed regardless and tuned to ensure the issue is gone.
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The LMK limits are messed up. It is too aggressive in killing apps....btw what have you decided? Will you support our phone or undecided yet? I hope you get on board the OP3 train!! Peace

Konskl said:
The LMK limits are messed up. It is too aggressive in killing apps....btw what have you decided? Will you support our phone or undecided yet? I hope you get on board the OP3 train!! Peace
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If you root, I know kernel adiutor let's you change the limits, if you have 6gb of ram you may as well be like Samsung and use it all. What are you guys seeing for usage with no apps running? And what is the amount you see apps getting killed at?

DespairFactor said:
If you root, I know kernel adiutor let's you change the limits, if you have 6gb of ram you may as well be like Samsung and use it all. What are you guys seeing for usage with no apps running? And what is the amount you see apps getting killed at?
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If no apps are open the unused ram is around 4.6gb out of 5.6gb

tnttrx said:
I have posted a question about update 3.1.2 to video owner.
Let's see what he replies.
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He replied with a new video. Check it out!

Does This Battery Life Look Bad?

So, I recently downloaded Android Oreo.
I did a factory reset and took screenshots of my battery activity today. I only had 2.5 hours of screen time (I keep my brightness at about 15% - 20%) and I barely used my phone while in my office.
I would like to keep Android System from running in the background, but when I turn it off, I find it back on following a phone restart...?
I have also found that none of my cache cleaners work anymore. Why is that?
Does this battery life look bad? I used to get better battery life.

2.5 hours with 50% left. Seems average.

I agree, about average. I haven't ran Oreo much, not more than a couple of days at a time & I don't have any screenshots but for me Oreo is worse in performance. Well statistically, with real world use I can't tell much of a difference.
So far I still like Nougat. I know I'm stating the obvious but everyone's usage & SOT will be different so some may say your stats are good, others may say not so good.
This is a typical weekday for me on Nougat. But I'm running a custom kernel & custom rom, no bloat & not a huge amount of apps installed. Display brightness 40% on average, display always set to max res. I First pair is today.
Now you got me curious, I should go back to Oreo & test. EDIT: Ok, I'm going back to Oreo right after this edit. I'll see how it does tomorrow.

Since Oreo update, I chose my word specifically , instead of upgrade. It appears standby idle battery is slightly improved.
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Well, using only samsung internet, of course you will get 6h hours sot .
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vojopd said:
Well, using only samsung internet, of course you will get 6h hours sot .
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Don't hate as I don't Facebook or messenger.
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Hate? Facebook? Messenger? Who talks about that? I am telling there aren't any games, youtube, music, movies, etc. Of course SOT wipl be good .
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Hate? Facebook? Messenger? Who talks about that? I am telling there aren't any games, youtube, music, movies, etc. Of course SOT wipl be good .
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Don't play games nor do I watch videos on a 6.3" screen. Guess I'm the minority.
Either way here's a screenshot of my Note 8 on Nougat with ****ebook app , didn't change much.
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Hate? Facebook? Messenger? Who talks about that? I am telling there aren't any games, youtube, music, movies, etc. Of course SOT wipl be good .
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Deleted. Was attempting to attach a screenshot of my battery usage with nougat and FB app. Still showed 8 plus hours SOT.
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So here's a typical weekday stat for me from today on Oreo. Took a hit in battery performance. But that's only 1 day of testing so not a fair comparison to my Nougat stat. Although I'm not a benchmark freak, benchmark results are pretty much the same if I use the appropiate kernel versions from the same dev.
Still not a fan of O although there are a few cool features, going back to N until all the compatibilites get worked out (getting closer though).

For me battery has gotten way worse. My phone goes from full to 90% in half hour of really light use

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For me battery has gotten way worse. My phone goes from full to 90% in half hour of really light use
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People will usually say, so I'll say it before, a clean install with a major change like N to O is usually recommended and I agree as most of the time it can take care of issues like this. But a clean install did not make a difference for me. Glad to know I'm not the only one experiencing this.

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People will usually say, so I'll say it before, a clean install with a major change like N to O is usually recommended and I agree as most of the time it can take care of issues like this. But a clean install did not make a difference for me. Glad to know I'm not the only one experiencing this.
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I did a clean install as well. It didn't help. Hopefully it will get better over time

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I did a clean install as well. It didn't help. Hopefully it will get better over time
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Hopefully it'll be ironed out for the Note 9
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Are the auto cache cleaning apps the culprit of bad battery drain/battery life?

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Hopefully it'll be ironed out for the Note 9
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Ah, that don't do me any good, I'm not the type to upgrade every year, not much of an upgrade anyway or worth it IMO. I'll wait for the Note 10, I think very good things will come for number 10. Hopefully a new custom kernel will fix it but until then, back to Nougat for me.

It seems to me since upgrading to O. My battery life seems poor. Dont know what they changed. O performs better on the pixel 2. Maybe I'm missing something. Who really knows.
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Don't have issues with batt life. But I'm seriously considering reverting back to nougat on my TMO device. Just need to research the process properly before doing it.
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Wow! I was eagerly expecting the oreo OTA, I even put a thread about oreo OTA experiences/opinions, but its a huge mixed bag, some say oreo improves fluency, other that have screen tint, batt drain, that no significant apparent changes, others that is snappier, etc, I have not rooted or pushed oreo firms, as I want to be very careful, because my 950F performs really very, very good, I am at a loss as of what to do when the OTA pops in my device, I am even considering to block it via bk

Sustained performance isnt as good as Samsung hoped

So I just got my new phone and while I was installing apps from Google Play restoring from backup, I decided to run a geekbench benchmark on it, and well the results are attached as below. Don't get me wrong I know that performance is supposed to be lower, especially given that it is still installing apps, but the device isn't even hot and I would have expected it to score at least a 7 or 8 K. 5K is really quite disappointing.

Talk about a strange thread. I wonder what compels someone to think it's a good idea to benchmark while installing apps and then trying to quantify that with the phone has poor sustained performance? That's a bit of a reach, don't you think?

Um ok.

Do us a favor and return the phone if you're disappointed with the performance from a benchmark and not real life testing.
This is like having a gasoline truck that normally gives you 16 mpg. Then you slap on a tow hitch and haul a 5 ton tailer and you're surprised the truck now only gives you 9-10 mpg.
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So I just got my new phone and while I was installing apps from Google Play restoring from backup, I decided to run a geekbench benchmark on it, and well the results are attached as below. Don't get me wrong I know that performance is supposed to be lower, especially given that it is still installing apps, but the device isn't even hot and I would have expected it to score at least a 7 or 8 K. 5K is really quite disappointing.
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So, you think that the device doesn't use any system resources while restoring data and installing apps?
I hope you are just trolling or I(and the other fellow members) didn't understand you correctly, otherwise - it's normal. Benchmarks are run while the device DOES NOT do anything else. Otherwise system resources are used and the scores will be lower. By how much will depend on the workload. For example GPU bench will not be affected that much as a CPU or storage test while installing apps.

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So, you think that the device doesn't use any system resources while restoring data and installing apps?
I hope you are just trolling or I(and the other fellow members) didn't understand you correctly, otherwise - it's normal. Benchmarks are run while the device DOES NOT do anything else. Otherwise system resources are used and the scores will be lower. By how much will depend on the workload. For example GPU bench will not be affected that much as a CPU or storage test while installing apps.
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Some system resources? Yes. I'm just rather surprised it's close to half of such a powerful phone's resources.

Benchmark people are the reason I left the PC scene. No one judges anything in tech based on what it's actually used for, only what it can or can't potentially do. And that's the reason the industry is crappy and overpriced as it is. Same thing has happened to the phone industry.
You ran a benchmark that pushes your device to limits you will NEVER EVER get it to again with daily usage. Not even if you're playing music while playing Fortnite and other apps in the back.

AB__CD said:
Some system resources? Yes. I'm just rather surprised it's close to half of such a powerful phone's resources.
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This might help you. Android apps are written in Java. This allows them to be compatible with a wide variety of Android devices. When you install them on your phone, they are compiled to machine code specific to your particular device. This only needs to happen when you first install or subsequently update your app. However, this process is pretty resource intensive, and larger apps like Facebook take more resources. This slows down the rest of the phone. So the worst possible time to run a benchmark is when you are doing the most system intense thing you can do on your phone. The results are unsurprising and normal.

i think OP is learning new things here...

Must believe the Earth is flat. ??

Snapdragon 845 score is much better than my Note 8

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Must believe the Earth is flat. ??
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Flat? How about a cube?!