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For those thinking about switching to the Axon 7..... DON'T

I just got my Axon 7 on Monday, and have played around with it for a couple days. Wanted to share my experience with it so far. I was drawn to the phone because on paper, the specs were mostly superior to the OnePlus 3. However, the ZTE software KILLS IT. It is irritating to use and without any developer support at the moment, there's not much to look forward to. In my experience, the OnePlus 3 has a faster fingerprint scanner, better camera, software, and developer support. And the high end audio on the Axon 7? Honestly the speakers are not THAT great. I find the OnePlus 3 speakers are comparable. Listening through headphones, my OnePlus 3 with Viper4Android and Dolby Atmos actually sound better than the audio from the Axon 7. The capacitive keys are not backlit, making using your phone in the dark a trial-and-error affair when you try tapping your thumb in the area you THINK the buttons are. Add in the fact that ZTE is not even honoring their fancy warranty right now (in the USA at least) due to lack of replacement devices. It's a joke.....
I was originally planning for the Axon 7 to replace my OnePlus 3, but it appears I will hang on to the OP3 instead.

I think speakers and Display are the only things better in Axon 7. Also, it won't be seeing Nougat till 2017 Just guessing

trace1er said:
I just got my Axon 7 on Monday, and have played around with it for a couple days. Wanted to share my experience with it so far. I was drawn to the phone because on paper, the specs were mostly superior to the OnePlus 3. However, the ZTE software KILLS IT. It is irritating to use and without any developer support at the moment, there's not much to look forward to. In my experience, the OnePlus 3 has a faster fingerprint scanner, better camera, software, and developer support. And the high end audio on the Axon 7? Honestly the speakers are not THAT great. I find the OnePlus 3 speakers are comparable. Listening through headphones, my OnePlus 3 with Viper4Android and Dolby Atmos actually sound better than the audio from the Axon 7. The capacitive keys are not backlit, making using your phone in the dark a trial-and-error affair when you try tapping your thumb in the area you THINK the buttons are. Add in the fact that ZTE is not even honoring their fancy warranty right now (in the USA at least) due to lack of replacement devices. It's a joke.....
I was originally planning for the Axon 7 to replace my OnePlus 3, but it appears I will hang on to the OP3 instead.
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I had a similar experience with Zte Axon Elite. There was not support, there were nor updates neither software development, there are not communities yet. In fact, after one year in the market, it is still working with lollipop. To be honest, in spite of the Axon 7 specs are apparently better than OP3, I swore to myself not to buy a ZTE phone never again. In this sense, your experience gives me the reason. I was not wrong. OP3 is simply much better.
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I have a Dolby Atmos that I ported from both Axon 7 and LeTv LeMax 2. The LeMax version is the one that works with our phones.
This should even the playing field for you.

trace1er said:
I just got my Axon 7 on Monday, and have played around with it for a couple days. Wanted to share my experience with it so far. I was drawn to the phone because on paper, the specs were mostly superior to the OnePlus 3. However, the ZTE software KILLS IT. It is irritating to use and without any developer support at the moment, there's not much to look forward to. In my experience, the OnePlus 3 has a faster fingerprint scanner, better camera, software, and developer support. And the high end audio on the Axon 7? Honestly the speakers are not THAT great. I find the OnePlus 3 speakers are comparable. Listening through headphones, my OnePlus 3 with Viper4Android and Dolby Atmos actually sound better than the audio from the Axon 7. The capacitive keys are not backlit, making using your phone in the dark a trial-and-error affair when you try tapping your thumb in the area you THINK the buttons are. Add in the fact that ZTE is not even honoring their fancy warranty right now (in the USA at least) due to lack of replacement devices. It's a joke.....
I was originally planning for the Axon 7 to replace my OnePlus 3, but it appears I will hang on to the OP3 instead.
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I am using V4A. Can you please let me know whether Dolby Atoms is useful? If yes, please me to the thread so I can install.

dindoliya said:
I am using V4A. Can you please let me know whether Dolby Atoms is useful? If yes, please me to the thread so I can install.
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If you are running TWRP recovery, just install FreedomOS. It's basically the stock OOS ROM, but in the Aroma options during installation you can select to install Viper4Android and Dolby Atmos together.

That sh*t throttles when charging lol

Hmm, I was looking to switch over.
The whole go to the forums to unlock the bootloader was a big deal for me, but some devs have found a way around that I believe. I also saw someone running TWRP, so Custom ROMs can't be that far right?
But all that will happen when they finally release the damn phone here.

Prince Chandela said:
I think speakers and Display are the only things better in Axon 7. Also, it won't be seeing Nougat till 2017 Just guessing
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I have a feeling that we won't either ... >....<

Hogyoku said:
I have a feeling that we won't either ... >....<
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I was about to say the same... Oneplus users can't make fun of other manufacturers for not updating when it takes the so long to port

Yup. Bought the A7 from best buy a few weeks ago and really really wanted to like it.
A7 Pros:
+ The A7 speakers truly are superior to the OP3 speakers...I'll give it that. But I do agree that audio from the headphone jack is NOT what I thought it would be, especially considering the "dual independent Hi-Fi processors" or whatever.
+Battery life on the A7 was also noticeably better. Not a HUGE difference, but I could easily get well over 5 hours SOT with the A7, while I get around 4 with the OP3.
+Screen was great and has a better auto-brightness function. Auto-brightness on the OP3 is terrible.
+Having QC3.0 was nice since I could use a standard 2M USB cable while charging. I'm using the 1M Sabrent extension with my OP3 for dash charging and it works fine, but it makes the cable a bit heavier and clunkier. Boy does that A7 get HOT when charging though.
That's about it as far as positives went for me. Negatives:
- I didn't mind the lack of backlit buttons (I don't use the backlights on my OP3 buttons). However, their response area is too small and they are TOO CLOSE TOGETHER. Their positioning is not natural and I could not get used to them after a week and a half of use. This was hugely annoying for me.
- MiFavor is miserable. Period. And no, changing the launcher does NOT remedy it. Anyone that says otherwise is silly.
- Camera low-lighting performance was terrible, muted, and grainy.
- Did I mention the phone gets hot as hell when charging??
- While I did find the fingerprint sensor to be very fast (maybe faster than OP3), I did not prefer the location. It is unnatural for me, probably due to my large hands. It also doesn't have vibrate feedback when a successful scan occurs. It only vibrates when you are unsuccessful. That took a lot of getting used to.
- The gestures are whack. Especially DT2W. It is soooo delayed. Probably a full 1-2 seconds before the phone vibrates and turns the screen on. OP3's is at least twice as fast. I just missed OP3's gestures in general (especially track seek with the screen off).
- What is the deal with the stupid A7 lockscreen??? You have to tap the stupid bell to show notifications. This also exacerbated my frustration with the lack of track seek gestures. To skip a track, I'd have to wake the phone, find and press the bell icon, and find and press the track seek button. This is very distracting while driving.
- Oh, and yeah, a complicated, gimmicky, and warranty-voiding bootloader unlocking procedure. No way there's going to be enough development support to correct all the issues that are present with this phone's user experience.
I bought the phone because I wanted a sweet screen and awesome speakers...I just gave up waaaaaay too much in order to get those things. Returned to best buy while still within the return period. Couldn't be happier to be back on the OP3.

biglilsteve said:
Yup. Bought the A7 from best buy a few weeks ago and really really wanted to like it.
That is exactly my experience! Thanks for the post.
I have to add that no option for on screen nav bar really sucked because, as stated above, the capacitive were too close and not backlit. And what about no option for ambient display, that stupid bell? The op3 is like a moto x with wave to wake and killer ambient display which works immediately upon pulling from pocket. Nice job op3!
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Trust me, if only OnePlus added another speaker on top and the sd card/dual sim combo tray, op3 will crush this A-crap 7 and all those flagships easily.

redeyss said:
biglilsteve said:
Yup. Bought the A7 from best buy a few weeks ago and really really wanted to like it.
That is exactly my experience! Thanks for the post.
I have to add that no option for on screen nav bar really sucked because, as stated above, the capacitive were too close and not backlit. And what about no option for ambient display, that stupid bell? The op3 is like a moto x with wave to wake and killer ambient display which works immediately upon pulling from pocket. Nice job op3!
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Yup, +1!
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corrupt1234 said:
Trust me, if only OnePlus added another speaker on top and the sd card/dual sim combo tray, op3 will crush this A-crap 7 and all those flagships easily.
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Wellll, to play devil's advocate, the A7 would be a crusher too if it had Oxygen OS haha
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luckily zte axon is not available in india and even if it was available i'd not buy since there is hardly any devs interested in that phone, where as oneplus and nexus are dev's favourites. we had custom roms for oneplus the next day it was released.

bonham1988 said:
luckily zte axon is not available in india and even if it was available i'd not buy since there is hardly any devs interested in that phone, where as oneplus and nexus are dev's favourites. we had custom roms for oneplus the next day it was released.
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The OP3 is such a good phone and OOS is such a good UI that I haven't even unlocked or rooted yet. And honestly I currently have no plans to.
On the A7, it would be mandatory though!
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biglilsteve said:
The OP3 is such a good phone and OOS is such a good UI that I haven't even unlocked or rooted yet. And honestly I currently have no plans to.
On the A7, it would be mandatory though!
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Even i havent rooted my phone yet but i'll probably do it when 7 based roms come out though i'll revert back to stock as soon as official oos is released. It seems they've learned from their past mistakes and have been releasing updates and bug fixes pretty quickly.
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I am still using my Axon 7 as my daily driver since the place I bought it from has a 30-day return period. I rooted it so I can debloat, install Adblock, Greenify, and change the DPI (so icons and text are not huge). Also using Nova Launcher. This has made the phone MUCH more tolerable, as I still REALLY REALLY want to like this phone. The only main gripes that remain are low-light camera performance, non-backlit capcitive keys, and the lockscreen bell. Many say that all these remaining issues can be eliminated through software updates (better camera post-processing, enabling on-screen buttons, and removing that bell). Unfortunately, that is a BIG IF.

On screen buttons are not a fix because then you are wasting screen real estate. But yeah everything else can be solved with solid AOSP ROMs and better camera processing. But yeah, dev support is just not looking like it's going to happen.
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Now I'm doubly-glad I didn't take a risk and go with the Axon 7! Just like the OP said, the Axon had a bit better specs in some respects (ex. expandable storage), less in others (RAM), but the developer community strength for the OP3 pulled me in that direction. I'm sure if I was more of a casual user it wouldn't be an issue....but the casual user doesn't end up on XDA, at least not for long

OnePlus hired people to promote phones on sites & XDA forum ?

I see some weird statements on this forum regarding OnePlus 3 with an overwhelming majority being baseless ovations :
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i went from an S7 to the OnePlus3 and im extremely happy with my decision.
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Why would anyone sell a Samsung S7 which has better screen, better camera, better battery life for OP 3? I own one and it's not that good

Cause.
#neversettle

Better deal/performance? Too single out post is hardly proof of dodgy postings generally?
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Because
1. lack of soc sources.
2. lower price and if not same even better performance.
3. and more then 1080p is overkill
4. faster charging.
I would do the same.
And you can sell a s7 and buy op3 + a real high end camera. Op3 is still the best phone. No matter what media is telling you. But its still up to you.

ROOTDOT said:
I see some weird statements on this forum regarding OnePlus 3 with an overwhelming majority being baseless ovations :
Why would anyone sell a Samsung S7 which has better screen, better camera, better battery life for OP 3? I own one and it's not that good
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well then let me clarify.
didnt sell it, gave it to my wife, so it's still around. i love the S7. my S7 was the dual sim version. i couldn't stand the 2g on the 2nd sim. when i saw that the OP3 had dual sim capabilities, with 3g on one and lte on the other, i made the jump.
so, my ovations arent baseless.

ROOTDOT said:
Why would anyone sell a Samsung S7 which has better screen, better camera, better battery life for OP 3? I own one and it's not that good
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like i said on that same thread.... S7 and S7e have better hardware (camera, wireless fast charging, QC3.0, QHD screen, etc) but the software sucks (which affects performance). Dev scene is also terrible.
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nadejo said:
And you can sell a s7 and buy op3 + a real high end camera. Op3 is still the best phone. No matter what media is telling you. But its still up to you.
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did this myself a few years ago, when I got the OnePlus One + a Sony RX100 on sale which in total was still less than a 64GB Samsung Flagship
SW after-processing (ie, HDR) and better sensors make a big difference, but you're still never going to replicate the performance of a REAL quality camera, even if it's a point and shoot.

ROOTDOT said:
I see some weird statements on this forum regarding OnePlus 3 with an overwhelming majority being baseless ovations :
Why would anyone sell a Samsung S7 which has better screen, better camera, better battery life for OP 3? I own one and it's not that good
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Can't comment on above case, but some of us feel uneasy having so much money invested in a phone when a very close competitor is half the price. In my case my contract was up for renewal got a HTC 10, ebayed it for £450 bought a OnePlus3 pocketed over £100.
And Touchwiz.

ROOTDOT said:
I see some weird statements on this forum regarding OnePlus 3 with an overwhelming majority being baseless ovations :
Why would anyone sell a Samsung S7 which has better screen, better camera, better battery life for OP 3? I own one and it's not that good
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I literally just did exactly this. I actually still have the S7, but just threw it up on craigslist this morning. For me, I found the S7's performance and battery life to be extremely subpar. When I first got it the phone was lightning fast, but over time EVERY part of the user experience developed lag. Factory resets did nothing, deleting apps did nothing. Maybe I got a lemon, but it was terrible by the end. By contrast, the OP3 is very fast and battery life seems to be about on par. The faster charging is nice.
I will say though, the screen and camera are far superior on the S7. It's not even close. But I shoot professionally with my DSLR, so a phone's camera is of little consequence to me. And while it's not as good, the OP3 1080P screen is beyond acceptable. Also, the benefit of running stock android cannot be overstated. It is a world better than the Samsung skinned variant.
All feature differences aside. I bought both phones on craigslist over the last few months. S7 was $450, OP3 was $300. I've already gotten offers on my S7 for $400 with it being up only a few hours. I'll gladly pocket the $100+ difference and live with the OP3, for now.

ROOTDOT said:
I see some weird statements on this forum regarding OnePlus 3 with an overwhelming majority being baseless ovations :
Why would anyone sell a Samsung S7 which has better screen, better camera, better battery life for OP 3? I own one and it's not that good
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As far as I remember I never created a thread to tell other forum members my product was better than theirs. This thread is kinda funny, isn't it? I would never buy a Samsung device like I would never buy any Apple products. For me the OnePlus 3 is the best available phone. It's modding- and community-friendly and comes with a powerfull hardware at a fair price. I'm not willed to pay for company's million-dollar marketing campaigns.

i used a galaxy s7 edge extensively and its the best camera phone out there. but when it comes to the whole package its sucks ball. to me the build quality is zero its pathetic, cant find a single protector here where i live that wont come off after 2 days. phone is unusable without something on the back. coz its silpery as hell. the worst part is the software. touchwiz is the worst skin ever in the history of android. these reviewer who say the new touchwiz is fast and responsive. r not using the fone as daily drivers. its lag fest for me. also the clicking home button sounds like it will break any sec.
the only reason i bought the one plus 3 was the performance. i m getting that too its not perfect but its million times better then what samsung galaxy s7 edge offered to me. i payed over 530 dollers here to buy a oneplus 3. and i m happy about my purchase.
thanks
death to all glass back phones,p

Happy OnePlus devices user for 27 months, spreading around the word that you can only spend 399 for a great phone!!
I actually think more people and reviewers get payed by Samsung or Apple to praise their overpriced junk.
Maybe topicstarter got paid to stir the pot in the OnePlus section to praise the Samsung products..

everyone is saying that s7 edge is better, i dont know why and how, but i can take better photos with my OP3... i tried many times but my OP3 take better photos than my brother's S7e. just video recording is much better on S7e...
the performance is better. the software support is better. the selfie camera is better. the charging speed is faster. the price is lower... So OP3 > S7E

I actually moved from the s7 edge to the op3, only the camera's quality* speed and sound is better than the op3.
*most of the time
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I sold my LG G5 and bought Oneplus 3.
The Lg was lacking developement and support so badly. And I haven't regret my decicion at all!
Only thing I miss is the sdcard.

Since it seems perfectly clear that some people are more than willing to swap an S7 for a OP3, can we close this thread? It's nothing but a witch hunt where one doesn't need to exist.

I have both S7E destroys it in pretty much every department but fast charging, Since OP3 battery life sucks you need it haha :laugh:

Everything else > this thread. Coming from the Nexus 6 here. I have to say that the OP3 is a solid phone for the price. You can't really get much more for the same price. 6gb ram, 64 gb storage, dual sim, extremely fast charging. Yeah the battery life could be better, and the sim tray could be a hybrid type tray for microsd cards like the Axon, the screen could be a higher res. Other than that its a great phone. It has solid specs, and an unlockable bootloader, two things that make a device highly favored by XDA goers.
If someone wants to buy me another phone to put it to the test I'd be happy to take them up on the offer (;

nothing good can come from this thread.
Thread closed.

Does Shamu have a worthy successor yet ?!

Hiya tech-mates !
I'd love to have your opinion.
I just asked myself, if my (underestimated)beloved Shamu needs to be replaced tomorrow, for any reason, (hope he won't, at least few years)
which phone could be as good as N6 was (and still is) nowadays ?
I.e. our shamu is being old little by little but still in race yet imo..
Got it since 2 years from now, and the more time passes, the more I like N6 !
-32/64bits transition is in a good way and almost finished (flagships). I think new SoCs (even more powerful) are still not as efficient as SD805 is. (without filling RAM with useless data or using an 32bits-adaptator which waste ressources)
-Cameras are quite better now
-Fingerprint scanner is a classic feature now (if you need it)
-Stock ROM "outdated" and security patch ends soon
-better StB ratio (not that much)
IMO, there's no device yet which beat the Shamu considering overall characteristics. And buying a new one will make me loose some beloved features I guess (screen size/type/quality, awesome dualspeakers, software fluidity, xda ressources/ROMS, Qi, LED)
If I need to buy a new phone today, I'll surely take a brand new N6 but i'll think about waiting for a OP5 or maybe chinese devices P10+/Mi Mix2/Mi 6+.
Which one would you choose ? (do your own suggestions)
(excuse my english, he's dirty)

I would recommend either waiting for the OP5 or getting the OP3T. I used to own the N6 but it ended in a tragic fate. So I decided to get the OP3T. Love it! Super fast, great camera, great battery, I love the fingerprint scanner, and the notification LED. The only downfall IMO is the speaker. It can easily be covered up and block sound. Other than that I would definitely recommend the OP3T or the OP5 if it it any good
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baeren131 said:
I would recommend either waiting for the OP5 or getting the OP3T. I used to own the N6 but it ended in a tragic fate. So I decided to get the OP3T. Love it! Super fast, great camera, great battery, I love the fingerprint scanner, and the notification LED. The only downfall IMO is the speaker. It can easily be covered up and block sound. Other than that I would definitely recommend the OP3T or the OP5 if it it any good
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Is there any phone which have a speaker as good as the N6s one ?
So hard to leave that speaker :S

mesco38 said:
Is there any phone which have a speaker as good as the N6s one ? [emoji14]
So hard to leave that speaker :S
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I can only think of the 6P or the pixel... (If you don't get one with the glitched out speaker...) But sorry. I can't think of anything, but I know what you mean. I definitely miss that
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The new Google phones are to expensive .
OnePlus 3T or LG G6 are acceptable priced.
But my N6 - debloated and decrypted - is still fast and smooth.
I can wait...

mesco38 said:
Is there any phone which have a speaker as good as the N6s one ?
So hard to leave that speaker :S
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The Axon 7 has very good sound, stereo speakers.

mesco38 said:
Is there any phone which have a speaker as good as the N6s one ? [emoji14]
So hard to leave that speaker :S
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Pixel XL speaker is much weaker (hah). Clear but sounds muffled compared to the venerable Shamu. Also only one speaker so the only stereo is through the headphone jack. Other than that, the Marlin is nice.

I read an article recently that Nokia (Yeah, read that correctly) wants to push the Nexus line back into existence. Or at least as close as possible, replicating the Nexus experience of little to no bloatware, and fast updates. My N6 is chugging along just fine right now, but I hope that Nokia follows through, because that just might be my new phone..

I've been watching for one, but there just aren't a lot of options if you like larger phones. What I need to see...
5.5" minimum screen size. 16:9. Might have to reevaluate if the ratios change much more. 1080p or better.
AOSP builds supported, no locked bootloader.
Better RAM/CPU/storage specs than the N6.
SD card. I don't care if the phone comes with 1TB internal, I want the damn SD slot. The manufacturing cost is about 20 cents, just put it in.
Forward facing speakers that sound decent.
Decent reception on TMobile LTE bands. Ideally supporting all US carriers, but Sprint/VZW are annoying.
Ideally, TMobile WiFi calling enabled.
Ideally, 4000+ mAh battery or user removable so I can get a bigger battery.
Ideally, flat screen so I can use tempered glass screen protectors.
Max price $500 US.
Oh yeah, no spontaneous combustion.
Axon 7 is the only one close. Flat screen and battery are not there, but the price is nice and performance is good. AOSP builds are fully functional now, thanks to the devs over there.

I know it's not a nexus-killer, but I just ordered a Note 5 to replace my Nexus 6. There's nothing that quite matches the beauty of Samsung, plus I just miss the S-Pen. Plus it'll be just enough smaller, thinner, and lighter enough that it won't feel big and bulky in my hand, as well as it being nice and balanced unlike the N6 which is noticeably bigger and heavier on the top than on the bottom.
The only things I'll really miss of the N6 are 1) 100% carrier compatibility 2) Stereo front speakers (oh man, no phone beats these) and 3) plain stock os, although that's starting to lag behind on speed (even though it gets faster antutu than lineage). Anyway. I'm pretty excited. And again, definitely not a nexus-killer in any way, but the Note 5 just has things I value more than getting a vanilla experience.
Besides, if Google is going to turn Apple and make an iphone-clone and also make it so I have to be unrooted/locked anyway in order to pass safetynet, I might as well move back to what's comfortable to use. Just my 2c.

NLBeev said:
The new Google phones are to expensive .
OnePlus 3T or LG G6 are acceptable priced.
But my N6 - debloated and decrypted - is still fast and smooth.
I can wait...
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Totally agree and will wait too until he dies
N6 debloated, even encrypted, still runs everything perfectly smoothly and still have one of the best stereo dual speakers.. Autonomy is fine too, event after 2 years he's still running 1 day and half with normal/good use (no wifi, always on 4G, no gps, using youtube with or without earphones at least 1 hour)

alresave said:
The Axon 7 has very good sound, stereo speakers.
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Wow, didn't know that phone, looks great. Stock ROM excepted, he really looks like a N6 "successor" (not really sure that SD820+4Go RAM+64bitsOS runs that much better than SD805+3Go RAM+32bitsOS - your opinion ?)(I don't trust benchmarks)
Heard something about alternative ROMs with him ? Will look after some xda forums
Anything about ZTE quality/updates/after-sales ?

ttabbal said:
I've been watching for one, but there just aren't a lot of options if you like larger phones. What I need to see...
5.5" minimum screen size. 16:9. Might have to reevaluate if the ratios change much more. 1080p or better.
AOSP builds supported, no locked bootloader.
Better RAM/CPU/storage specs than the N6.
SD card. I don't care if the phone comes with 1TB internal, I want the damn SD slot. The manufacturing cost is about 20 cents, just put it in.
Forward facing speakers that sound decent.
Decent reception on TMobile LTE bands. Ideally supporting all US carriers, but Sprint/VZW are annoying.
Ideally, TMobile WiFi calling enabled.
Ideally, 4000+ mAh battery or user removable so I can get a bigger battery.
Ideally, flat screen so I can use tempered glass screen protectors.
Max price $500 US.
Oh yeah, no spontaneous combustion.
Axon 7 is the only one close. Flat screen and battery are not there, but the price is nice and performance is good. AOSP builds are fully functional now, thanks to the devs over there.
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Totally agreed.. SDCard excepted, got the same requirements
Hope there's a new phone soon (pixel2 ? but they don't seem to go on this way..)
Axon 7 looks great indeed

BlockOfDynamite said:
I know it's not a nexus-killer, but I just ordered a Note 5 to replace my Nexus 6. There's nothing that quite matches the beauty of Samsung, plus I just miss the S-Pen. Plus it'll be just enough smaller, thinner, and lighter enough that it won't feel big and bulky in my hand, as well as it being nice and balanced unlike the N6 which is noticeably bigger and heavier on the top than on the bottom.
The only things I'll really miss of the N6 are 1) 100% carrier compatibility 2) Stereo front speakers (oh man, no phone beats these) and 3) plain stock os, although that's starting to lag behind on speed (even though it gets faster antutu than lineage). Anyway. I'm pretty excited. And again, definitely not a nexus-killer in any way, but the Note 5 just has things I value more than getting a vanilla experience.
Besides, if Google is going to turn Apple and make an iphone-clone and also make it so I have to be unrooted/locked anyway in order to pass safetynet, I might as well move back to what's comfortable to use. Just my 2c.
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SHAME ON U
SHAME2U
SHAMU !!
What's the interest turning GPhones into Apple-likePhones ?

mesco38 said:
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What's the interest turning GPhones into Apple-likePhones ?
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Money! They want us to use Android pay. Banks don't like rooting; fear of fraud.

As the Moto X Pure was a nice update of what I loved about the N6, I was hoping that the 2017 Moto X would continue that line. Unfortunately, from the leaks we have seen, it looks more like an HTC phone or even an iPhone than the logical continuation of the N6. But the price points that MotoLenova are hitting are really tempting. I even think the G5 Plus would make a nice phone at that price. I'll see what they eventually release with the Moto X before I decide. I've just gotten to a point where the Pixels of the world are too expensive for what you get.
But like all of us here in the N6 forum, I am still rocking my Shamu.

NLBeev said:
Money! They want us to use Android pay. Banks don't like rooting; fear of fraud.
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IMO, I don't think Android/applepay will last over time..
So insecure and new-gen credit cards are developped right now (with screen/digital pin or fingerprint scanner)

mesco38 said:
IMO, I don't think Android/applepay will last over time..
So insecure and new-gen credit cards are developped right now (with screen/digital pin or fingerprint scanner)
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But I can't think of other reasons why Google makes it more difficult to get root access.
G. doesn't even manage to create a dark UI.
I am beginning to dislike Google....
Hopefully there will be soon new credit-cards.
BTw Phone paying is recently introduced here in the Netherlands.

NLBeev said:
But I can't think of other reasons why Google makes it more difficult to get root access.
G. doesn't even manage to create a dark UI.
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I guess, users who make last their phone 3+ years by rooting, installing customroms, changing screens and batteries themselves, is not worthy in this consumery society..
When you see how sheeps spend their money with iPhones, spending 1000€/years sometimes to get a 2years-late technology.. Com'on, "Think different"
NLBeev said:
I am beginning to dislike Google....
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Yep, same for me :crying:
At least stock android/G-devices
NLBeev said:
Hopefully there will be soon new credit-cards.
BTw Phone paying is recently introduced here in the Netherlands.
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Here, in France, banks have already made an agreement among them, tu use a local payment service called "paylib". So they don't wanna introduce android pay. (but applepay is already working here..)
Fu**ing retarded country we are..

mesco38 said:
Totally agreed.. SDCard excepted, got the same requirements
Hope there's a new phone soon (pixel2 ? but they don't seem to go on this way..)
Axon 7 looks great indeed
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SD is one of those things people seem to love or hate. There's no one right way, but there's also nothing saying you have to put a card in there if there's a slot. But if there's not a slot, you have no choice. As it's tiny, costs almost nothing, and harms nothing to have it, why not? Then everyone can have it however they like. Those digital packrats can have tons of storage, those who prefer not to have one just don't install one. The Axon 7 implementation is particularly nice, the SIM tray is a dual SIM and one of them can be an SD or a SIM. It can even be both, but that requires some modifications to the SD cards. IMO the only people to gain anything from it not being there are device manufacturers (sell overpriced higher capacity versions), and cloud providers trying to sell you storage.
Axon 7 is really the only device I could see buying right now. The LG G6 looks nice, but LGs history with bootloops and lack of service has me avoiding them. AOSP is not possible at the moment though, so G6 is out.
OnePlus 3T looks nice, screen is a bit small and no SD.
I really liked my Note 3, but Samsung is on a lockdown thing right now, and I won't buy a device I can't actually own. He who controls the software controls the device.
None have the removable battery, which would be nice, and all are a bit small on battery for me, but I can live with that. Nothing is perfect. I'm in no hurry at the moment, Shamu and the devs here are treating me well.

No innovation from one plus 5

The expectation from one plus 5 was high, when it was being released. It seems that one plus is not putting any innovative ideas in their UI or overall system experience. They should at least put some new ideas to their user experience. Please vote and let them know...

think you're being a little harsh mate, there are a lot of qualities which add up to an experience that you don't get from any other device.
Speed: The fastest phone there is, bar none.
Audio: Loudest phone i've ever had, couple that with viper audio and it's even louder
Battery: Best battery i've ever had on any phone including the note 4 which was supposed to be superb.
Screen: Jelly effect aside (i don't get this problem) 1+ going for a 1080p screen is the way it should be, a 2k screen on a 5 inch device? What is the point.
Build: Strong casing covering the phone and a non bendy screen
Software: For the first time ever, I've actually contemplated not rooting my device (it's rooted now btw ) Reason being is you can theme and change things which you can't on other devices.
Camera: Ok this one is a bit of a sore subject, I actually rate the camera, i've took some superb shots with it.
Charging: phenomenally quick charging, bested by none. (Thanks @3DSammy )
Overall when you put this together you get a package which very few can compete with

coolom1983 said:
The expectation from one plus 5 was high, when it was being released. It seems that one plus is not putting any innovative ideas in their UI or overall system experience. They should at least put some new ideas to their user experience. Please vote and let them know...
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Not everyone agrees with you. When you speak of user experience, do you mean something like TouchWiz? No thanks. As close to stock as possible is what people in this forum prefer.

dladz said:
think you're being a little harsh mate, there are a lot of qualities which add up to an experience that you don't get from any other device.
Speed: The fastest phone there is, bar none.
Audio: Loudest phone i've ever had, couple that with viper audio and it's even louder
Battery: Best battery i've ever had on any phone including the note 4 which was supposed to be superb.
Screen: Jelly effect aside (i don't get this problem) 1+ going for a 1080p screen is the way it should be, a 2k screen on a 5 inch device? What is the point.
Build: Strong casing covering the phone and a non bendy screen
Software: For the first time ever, I've actually contemplated not rooting my device (it's rooted now btw ) Reason being is you can theme and change things which you can't on other devices.
Camera: Ok this one is a bit of a sore subject, I actually rate the camera, i've took some superb shots with it.
Overall when you put this together you get a package which very few can compete with
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The only thing I'd add to your list is the phenomenal Dash charging. Just today or yesterday XDA posted a comparison of various brand's charging technologies and the OnePlus Dash charging came out on top. When I bought the OP5 and first charged it that was the very first thing that WOWed me. I definitely agree with the rest of your list. Maybe add the OnePlus companies cooperative attitude to developers with a TWRP recovery available by the end of the very first weekend after release. Its my Nexus series replacement. As times gone by (I ordered the OP5 two hours after the streamed announcement), OOS with multiple OTA releases and its general almost stock experience has reinforced my confidence in this purchase.

OP5 to me is the Nexus that I've missed.... It's speedy and utilitarian... The pixel didn't appeal to me and I think maybe alot of the og Nexus fans too....
If you don't like Nexus, I'm guessing you won't like OP....

Couldn't disagree more with the OP. This is the best phone I've ever owned. And the UI is basically vanilla android but with see very useful additions. The kind of additions I used to flash custom ROMs to get.

I was a successful customer of one plus 3 and 3T... I loved these 2 very much as these were best of their time.... Except dual camera setup which is still not as stable as it should be and Dash charger, I do not see big differences in from previous ones...

Undoubtedly it is good phone but not the best of his time... So many bugs still present in software.... No beta update for one plus 5.... No latest security patches... Even my op3 has latest security patch as compared to my one plus 5..

You do realize it is a small company and they kinda have to update 3 phones now. This takes a bit o time. Besides, they probably invest most of their resources on the Oreo update now.
Do you really think Samsung offers better updates?
As for the differences between last year's model and this year's model - there never is a big differences between those. Generally speaking. They are more like incremental upgrades.
Let's take the S7 and S8. The biggest difference is the screen and that's pretty much it.
In my opinion, one should always skip one phone generation to get the best results. If you had the 3T, there was no reason to get the 5 now. It's better to wait for the 6 as that may be a better upgrade. Same applies to Samsung, LG, HTC and everything else.

coolom1983 said:
The expectation from one plus 5 was high, when it was being released. It seems that one plus is not putting any innovative ideas in their UI or overall system experience. They should at least put some new ideas to their user experience. Please vote and let them know...
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You expect OnePlus to innovate? They've barely been around for five years.
Quit dreaming and buy an iPhone or a Samsung.

3DSammy said:
The only thing I'd add to your list is the phenomenal Dash charging. Just today or yesterday XDA posted a comparison of various brand's charging technologies and the OnePlus Dash charging came out on top. When I bought the OP5 and first charged it that was the very first thing that WOWed me. I definitely agree with the rest of your list. Maybe add the OnePlus companies cooperative attitude to developers with a TWRP recovery available by the end of the very first weekend after release. Its my Nexus series replacement. As times gone by (I ordered the OP5 two hours after the streamed announcement), OOS with multiple OTA releases and its general almost stock experience has reinforced my confidence in this purchase.
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Completely agree with the charging it's not of this earth.
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Undoubtedly it is good phone but not the best of his time... So many bugs still present in software.... No beta update for one plus 5.... No latest security patches... Even my op3 has latest security patch as compared to my one plus 5..
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Please compare this to another phone and put the the other ahead!! What phone out ever has no problems? The fact that your 3 is still getting updates in a timely manner is a good thing.

The reason why we got a OnePlus is partly because we prefer as close as possible AOSP experience with a few value added enhancements
If you're into UI and stuff, you're definitely looking the wrong phone and should consider what Samsung or Xiaomi has to offer instead

Download a launcher.

This thread so dumb I thought I am browsing the OnePlus forums
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MSF Jarvis said:
This thread so dumb I thought I am browsing the OnePlus forums
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hahah , yeah.
Damn people, they want stupid gadget but dont want to pay for it.
For many people, the op5 is perfect because it's simple, still have capacitive button ( which make the android signature imo), simple = the parts will be cheap on ebay, and we dont pay for stupid random gadget.
NO! REMOVING 3.5mm jack is NOT innovation.
Why spend $$$ to get a fcking edge screen that will cost 500$ to replace ?
IP67 , when 95% of people wont get close to water with their phone, and 99% of them never drop their phone in water anyway.
op5 is innovative in a way that they give you high spec with minimal parts. Imho, this make a durable phone (5-6 years easy), and as we can notice, the earth need a break of overconsuming rightnow.

Coming from a Pixel XL, the design of this phone is much better; feels much nicer in the hand and isn't as heavy.
There is tons more development available for this device compared to the XL, and for a company that is so young, they are doing an amazing job.
Yeah, the camera didn't live up to the hype, but it's not a horrible camera by any means.
I am getting the same user experience as my Pixel XL, and even better than the XL in some areas as well - all for significantly less than what I paid for the XL.
That being said, I definitely don't think it's reasonable to say there is no innovation, despite the 5 looking similar to an iPhone. The iPhone's design isn't bad at all in my opinion, so that carries over to the 5.
All in all, I'm really loving this phone and I do not regret selling my XL to get this I am open minded and will see how the Pixel 2 is though, but just in terms of development, I don't know if I'd switch back.

MSF Jarvis said:
This thread so dumb I thought I am browsing the OnePlus forums
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Just people having their say. Sometimes the worst questions or ideas for a thread become extremely popular.
Otherwise why are people posting here
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rickysidhu_ said:
Coming from a Pixel XL, the design of this phone is much better; feels much nicer in the hand and isn't as heavy.
All in all, I'm really loving this phone and I do not regret selling my XL to get this I am open minded and will see how the Pixel 2 is though, but just in terms of development, I don't know if I'd switch back.
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Honestly can't see the pixel 2 having anything ground breaking that would make me want to move over.
The camera will be great but OS and performance, stamina and build will be very similar.
Tbh I can see the 1+5 beating it in terms of speed.
Guess we'll see.
Plus if the pixel goes for a 2k screen then you'll see how much of a benefit a 1080p screen gives you in regards to performance and battery longevity.

coolom1983 said:
The expectation from one plus 5 was high, when it was being released. It seems that one plus is not putting any innovative ideas in their UI or overall system experience. They should at least put some new ideas to their user experience. Please vote and let them know...
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Hmmmmmm - I vote that that you would be better off trading in op5 and get this
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i always viewed oneplus devices as extremely minimal. I know, you know and oneplus knows that if you want an innovative UI you can download it from the play store. Think of the thing as a modular phone on the software side. I like the thing because it works really well and charges nice and fast doesnt slow down and remembers every app right where i was unless the app itself has a background refresh built in. Its a good phone and should be treated as such.

sure, it's innovative! you get to choose between Wifi AND cellular data. the screen protectors lay perfectly flat on the screen, which is also flat. this phone is small! it fits perfectly in all kinds of pockets. the screen lights up in the dark so you can see it at night. you can install multiple applications without removing the old ones. on top of all that - wireless discharging!
seriously, you are living in the era of the Jetsons (assuming you're old enough to remember that show). splitting hairs about a company's R&D standards is so moot when you have a super [email protected]$$ computer in your pocket. just don't buy it! or return it! move along!

Note 8 or One Plus 5

Hi, I need some advice on which device I am going to buy. I'm going to use this I guess 3 to 5 years as I dont replace my phone that often so this thread will help A LOT. I'm basing on some reviews, speed tests, but the two seems to be on par with each other. Price is/may kind of an issue here as I would love to use some of the money (if I buy the OP5) for the after sales and some personal stuff. However if the Note 8 is really "bang for the buck" then I'll gladly go with it. I also tried to search some issues. Here's what I found so far:
One Plus 5:
GPS Issue
Bluetooth Issue
Overheating issue
Jelly Effect in screen
Note 8:
Red tint in a lot of device
Light leak (lights leaking on the side of the phone not much of an issue for me)
If you have some issues with the phone, please feel free to reply. It would be appreciated a lot!
I also created Pros and Cons that might help me but I ended up more confused what to buy. Haha.
Pros for One Plus 5
Performance
Price
Dev Community as I love to mod my phone
Fingerprint Scanner placement + the scan speed is so fast
I've seen a lot of people who still uses OPO or OP2 which means that this device last long
The toggle above the volume like in iPhones
Customizable hardware buttons (I really love this one)
Cons for One Plus 5
Issues above as I really need the GPS and bluetooth, and I play heavy games.
No waterproofing
No Micro SD slot (I guess 128gb is enough but I would love to have the option of expanding more)
Pros for Note 8
SPen
Camera
Performance (but I've read OP5 has better. The 8gb ram may be the reason. But please feel free to correct me)
Display is a plus
Iris Scanner and Face Recognition (Is it accurate?)
Cons for Note 8
Samsung phones tend to slow down after months/years of using it.
Price
Body build is somewhat easy to crack due to glass body + curved edge
Samsung is a little bit strict when it comes to flashing Custom ROMS and I dont know if the SPen functionalities will be affected. (Please correct me here)
Fingerprint Scanner placement
I may be wrong with some of this but I've researched and this is what I've seen.
If this is a point to consider, I'm coming from a Xperia Z3Compact which didn't last long (I hated sony to the hell because of this) because of the digitizer issue. However, I enjoyed tweaking that phone. Now I'm forced to use my iPhone5s with jailbreak.
Note: Just to be clear, the devices in comparison are OP5 8gb/128gb and Note 8 6gb/64gb Exynos
Note: I'm posting this to each respective forum to have a fair discussion for each phone. I hope this is allowed. I also hope to help some people that have the same options with me.
Note 8 Thread: Link Here
OnePlus 5 Thread: Link Here
Thank you guys. After a long comparison, I'm going for the OP5 even with the rumors of OP5T. I just hate the back fingerprint scanner placements which is the trend now. And regarding with the bezels, I'm more into those phone with bezels on top and bottom for landscape usage. I've been trying the S8+, and some games that I play doesn't maximize or utilize the whole screen which leaves some part of the screen blank. However, the screen in the Note 8 is A1 dont get me wrong, but I'm more into the performance and the OP5's screen is enough. Thank you guys!

For me would have gone oneplus 5,cause that thing is crazy fast. However the jello, jelly put me right off. And the fact that oneplus 5,would not until now come out in the open about it, really bugged me and beggars belief!. You can see the problem as soon as you pick the device up, so that reason I went note 8 and it's been an amazing experience. I haven't played games on it yet, still enjoying just browsing, multimedia, taking photos of my munchkins etc.

I had the oneplus 5 like 4 phones ago and it was great. No issues whatsoever, no jelly or any of the other issues you mentioned tbh. Bang for bucks it is the best phone you can get. Great for flashing and whatnot. That being said the note 8 has so much more added value and the exynos has a dev community that should keep you flash happy for years to come...

marvi0 said:
For me would have gone oneplus 5,cause that thing is crazy fast. However the jello, jelly put me right off. And the fact that oneplus 5,would not until now come out in the open about it, really bugged me and beggars belief!. You can see the problem as soon as you pick the device up, so that reason I went note 8 and it's been an amazing experience. I haven't played games on it yet, still enjoying just browsing, multimedia, taking photos of my munchkins etc.
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Ah yes, the jelly effect. I've also heard it too and seen it in facebook. That thing also prevents me in purchasing this device. However, some owners claimed that their device has small to no signs of jelly effect in their device. So I think they have fixed it now, I wish. Thank you for your comment
mrnovanova said:
I had the oneplus 5 like 4 phones ago and it was great. No issues whatsoever, no jelly or any of the other issues you mentioned tbh. Bang for bucks it is the best phone you can get. Great for flashing and whatnot. That being said the note 8 has so much more added value and the exynos has a dev community that should keep you flash happy for years to come...
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I see. I heard that Snapdragon version is more strict in terms of tweaking than the Exynos version. Thank you for you reply!

lazygeniuslanz said:
Hi, I need some advice on which device I am going to buy. I'm going to use this I guess 3 to 5 years as I dont replace my phone that often so this thread will help A LOT. I'm basing on some reviews, speed tests, but the two seems to be on par with each other. Price is/may kind of an issue here as I would love to use some of the money (if I buy the OP5) for the after sales and some personal stuff. However if the Note 8 is really "bang for the buck" then I'll gladly go with it. I also tried to search some issues. Here's what I found so far:
One Plus 5:
GPS Issue
Bluetooth Issue
Overheating issue
Jelly Effect in screen
Note 8:
Red tint in a lot of device
Light leak (lights leaking on the side of the phone not much of an issue for me)
If you have some issues with the phone, please feel free to reply. It would be appreciated a lot!
I also created Pros and Cons that might help me but I ended up more confused what to buy. Haha.
Pros for One Plus 5
Performance
Price
Dev Community as I love to mod my phone
Fingerprint Scanner placement + the scan speed is so fast
I've seen a lot of people who still uses OPO or OP2 which means that this device last long
The toggle above the volume like in iPhones
Customizable hardware buttons (I really love this one)
Cons for One Plus 5
Issues above as I really need the GPS and bluetooth, and I play heavy games.
No waterproofing
No Micro SD slot (I guess 128gb is enough but I would love to have the option of expanding more)
Pros for Note 8
SPen
Camera
Performance (but I've read OP5 has better. The 8gb ram may be the reason. But please feel free to correct me)
Display is a plus
Iris Scanner and Face Recognition (Is it accurate?)
Cons for Note 8
Samsung phones tend to slow down after months/years of using it.
Price
Body build is somewhat easy to crack due to glass body + curved edge
Samsung is a little bit strict when it comes to flashing Custom ROMS and I dont know if the SPen functionalities will be affected. (Please correct me here)
Fingerprint Scanner placement
I may be wrong with some of this but I've researched and this is what I've seen.
If this is a point to consider, I'm coming from a Xperia Z3Compact which didn't last long (I hated sony to the hell because of this) because of the digitizer issue. However, I enjoyed tweaking that phone. Now I'm forced to use my iPhone5s with jailbreak.
Note: Just to be clear, the devices in comparison are OP5 8gb/128gb and Note 8 6gb/64gb Exynos
Note: I'm posting this to each respective forum to have a fair discussion for each phone. I hope this is allowed. I also hope to help some people that have the same options with me.
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I a solution for you to avoid those listed "issues" if you decide to buy a Note 8.
Just find a open box or used one and inspect it fully before handing over the money.
Sent from my SM-N950U using Tapatalk

marvi0 said:
For me would have gone oneplus 5,cause that thing is crazy fast. However the jello, jelly put me right off. And the fact that oneplus 5,would not until now come out in the open about it, really bugged me and beggars belief!. You can see the problem as soon as you pick the device up, so that reason I went note 8 and it's been an amazing experience. I haven't played games on it yet, still enjoying just browsing, multimedia, taking photos of my munchkins etc.
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Limeybastard said:
I a solution for you to avoid those listed "issues" if you decide to buy a Note 8.
Just find a open box or used one and inspect it fully before handing over the money.
Sent from my SM-N950U using Tapatalk
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I've read that solution too haha. And that's a good one. But is there any reason to consider Note 8 for OP5?

lazygeniuslanz said:
I've read that solution too haha. And that's a good one. But is there any reason to consider Note 8 for OP5?
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I can't answer that question as I don't have any experience with the OP5, to be honest.
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lazygeniuslanz said:
I've read that solution too haha. And that's a good one. But is there any reason to consider Note 8 for OP5?
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That's a personal decision. Only you can weigh the pros and cons of each phone... and you seem to have done a great job of listing them.
The SD card is the dealbreaker for me. I carry about 200 GB of hi-res music. At this point, that's difficult to replicate any other way that doesn't involve paying even more for music I already own.

I've had the oneplus5, now currently have the note 8.
The reasons that made me return the oneplus 5 were as follows
- The jelly screen ....once you see it, it'll bug you forever
- The camera in my opinion wasn't all that..the lack of OIS was really annoying. Videos were shaky as hell! (It was improved with software stabilisation, bit it wasn't anything compaired to realtime optical stablisation
I really wanted to like the phone, it's so cheap for what you get and I love how oneplus allow you to root and mod away.
You need to decide what you'd want from your phone

Thanks but.. some of your "CONS" are off. You didnt go with the majority. On some cons.

note 8- tons more features
one plus- easier to mod
its just that simple; YOU decide whats important to YOU

In 3 or so years you probably won't want a phone with all that bezel. I'll venture out and say if you want a phone that won't feel obsolete sooner than later do to design get the note 8 hands down (or s8+).....imo
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louforgiveno said:
In 3 or so years you probably won't want a phone with all that bezel. I'll venture out and say if you want a phone that won't feel obsolete sooner than later do to design get the note 8 hands down (or s8+).....imo
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I think the Note 8 has a higher chance of being obsolete. Reason being the 8GB RAM of the OnePlus 5; it will probably become standard on all devices in 2018 or 2019.
It's not like all that extra screen gives you extra functionality that you won't have if your device has bezels. So I don't see why a device with bezels would become obsolete.
Design is really the last thing you should look at when making your decision. You're gonna use one of those devices, not stare at it and admire its design. You're probably gonna put a case on it anyway, so that whole design aspect flies out the window.

Pwnycorn said:
I think the Note 8 has a higher chance of being obsolete. Reason being the 8GB RAM of the OnePlus 5; it will probably become standard on all devices in 2018 or 2019.
It's not like all that extra screen gives you extra functionality that you won't have if your device has bezels. So I don't see why a device with bezels would become obsolete.
Design is really the last thing you should look at when making your decision. You're gonna use one of those devices, not stare at it and admire its design. You're probably gonna put a case on it anyway, so that whole design aspect flies out the window.
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I respect your opinion but I think you're off a smidge. If design were not important there would be no iPhone X. Expect large bezels to be frowned upon in the 2 years. Bezels will get smaller that's just a fact. 8gb is overkill how will OEMs justify the 8gb when Apple does wonders with 3. 6gb will remain the maximum and 4gb the standard. We might see 8gb again but it sure won't become the norm.
Now I know that I referred to Apple as a reference for both arguments but for better or for worse Android sets trends and they cement it. It's just facts.
Design is the reason why many great devices were overlooked this year IE HTC U11 and Sony Xperia Zx1 or whatever (Saw it, laughed, moved on) I agree with you that in the end, Greater scheme and all, it doesn't matter as beauty is subjective but...
8gb standard? Maybe for Chinese OEMs. Bezels? They're flying out the window as we speak ?

douger1957 said:
That's a personal decision. Only you can weigh the pros and cons of each phone... and you seem to have done a great job of listing them.
The SD card is the dealbreaker for me. I carry about 200 GB of hi-res music. At this point, that's difficult to replicate any other way that doesn't involve paying even more for music I already own.
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Wow, thats a lot of music you have there. I can't even fill my 32gb from my z3c hahaha. Thank you sir!
Ry2mkk said:
I've had the oneplus5, now currently have the note 8.
The reasons that made me return the oneplus 5 were as follows
- The jelly screen ....once you see it, it'll bug you forever
- The camera in my opinion wasn't all that..the lack of OIS was really annoying. Videos were shaky as hell! (It was improved with software stabilisation, bit it wasn't anything compaired to realtime optical stablisation
I really wanted to like the phone, it's so cheap for what you get and I love how oneplus allow you to root and mod away.
You need to decide what you'd want from your phone
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Yeah, the camera in OP5 kinda sucks at videos. I've watched many camera reviews against Note 8 and boy that OP5 videos are shaky but I think they can do better after software updates. However the stills from OP5 looked good that it made the OP5 worth it atleast at good lighting. Don't get me wrong, the Note 8 outputs are better but I guess it doesn't justify the price differences.
Zeblade said:
Thanks but.. some of your "CONS" are off. You didnt go with the majority. On some cons.
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What do you means sir?
wase4711 said:
note 8- tons more features
one plus- easier to mod
its just that simple; YOU decide whats important to YOU
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I see, thank you sir!
Pwnycorn said:
I think the Note 8 has a higher chance of being obsolete. Reason being the 8GB RAM of the OnePlus 5; it will probably become standard on all devices in 2018 or 2019.
It's not like all that extra screen gives you extra functionality that you won't have if your device has bezels. So I don't see why a device with bezels would become obsolete.
Design is really the last thing you should look at when making your decision. You're gonna use one of those devices, not stare at it and admire its design. You're probably gonna put a case on it anyway, so that whole design aspect flies out the window.
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mrnovanova said:
I respect your opinion but I think you're off a smidge. If design were not important there would be no iPhone X. Expect large bezels to be frowned upon in the 2 years. Bezels will get smaller that's just a fact. 8gb is overkill how will OEMs justify the 8gb when Apple does wonders with 3. 6gb will remain the maximum and 4gb the standard. We might see 8gb again but it sure won't become the norm.
Now I know that I referred to Apple as a reference for both arguments but for better or for worse Android sets trends and they cement it. It's just facts.
Design is the reason why many great devices were overlooked this year IE HTC U11 and Sony Xperia Zx1 or whatever (Saw it, laughed, moved on) I agree with you that in the end, Greater scheme and all, it doesn't matter as beauty is subjective but...
8gb standard? Maybe for Chinese OEMs. Bezels? They're flying out the window as we speak
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Hey you guys calm down haha I agree that the design may be obsolete but I think I value the performance than the design itself. I don't want to use a good design phone but stutters or lags even a bit specially when its priced in an almost 1k. But good points guys! :good: :fingers-crossed:

Thank you guys. After a long comparison, I'm going for the OP5 even with the rumors of OP5T. I just hate the back fingerprint scanner placements which is the trend now. And regarding with the bezels, I'm more into those phone with bezels on top and bottom for landscape usage. I've been trying the S8+, and some games that I play doesn't maximize or utilize the whole screen which leaves some part of the screen blank. However, the screen in the Note 8 is A1 dont get me wrong, but I'm more into the performance and the OP5's screen is enough. Thank you guys!