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[Q] Wakelocks

Hello forum:
Im a doctor resident in training so i dont know a lot of the technical language you would use...I'd really appriciate it if someone could help me wiht my wakelocks....ive almost given up and if this forum doesnt solve it im throwing it away...
I have a S3 i9305 LTE...just rooted it the rest it all stock, ROM and kernal (JB 4.1.2 on BLL5)
I had this MASSIVE battery drain by the fastdormancy but i solved that by rooting and installing the toogle switch for i9300 (works for the i9305 too mercifully) so solved that....just as i heived a sigh of relief then crops up the
1) audioOut_2 wakelock
2) GTALK_ASYNC_CONN_com.google.android.gsf.gtalkservi ce.AndroidEndpoint wakelock
3) PowerManagerService
4) mdm_hsic_pm0
5) RILS
thats what the BBS says...and on the side if somebody could help me with the scroll lag as well. surprising that this phone has mosr power than the combine used to send man to the moon and it cant scroll smoothly! samsung is an utter nut-head for making phones that aren't useable for the common guy.
this is really a HUGE problem for me cause i get calls at all hours of the day. I went home after 30h shift and fell asleep on the couch. i had about 50% batt so i though i had enough and my battery dies somewhere in the heavenly sleep i was in...my prof kept calling me and i missed out on a surgery and he was absolutly mental with me (not that i blame him)...so you see I cant have this happening to me again. Im forced to carry the charger around everywhere i go and its a matter of time before i lose my phone leaving it around. Please help and be simple.
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EDIT: So heres what ive been able to work out so far...
i flashed varioud ROMs and not all are the same...my suggestion is to try different ROMs and especially of your in a bad connection area and have sync wakelocks my advice is flash a different kernel (list of i9305 compatible kernels available here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2206898 goto the baseband/modem section). in my case my stock modem was LLB5 and it was horrible...i flashed BMD1 and i get full signals all over the hospital! this should help reduce the sync wakelocks esp like google's to a good degree...just remember not all modems and kernels work for everyone...thats just a hit and miss...you'll have to figure that out on your own....one phone may vary from the other...
The other thing esp if your phone heats up a lot on the most trivial tasks i highly recomment flashing a different kernel....again the list is available in the same post linked earlier...i had persues 36.2 work a bit esp with undervolting but not where i wanted it to be...so my plesent surprise i flashed the latest stock kernel and i dont even get the slightest bit of warmth anymore! that was a big surprise since i was told over and over that a quadcore will always heat up.
as for the battery try different ROMs...im currently using X-power by smaberg....it lasts me about a day and a half with approx 6h of screen time...i dont use it for gaming so you might have a varied preformace.
I doubt some wakelocks eg the audioout_2 wakelock cause the wake times dont add up with the audioout_2 lock....they do if you exclude it....like wise the download manager wakelock is the same thing, somehting is downloading in the background like a fix etc....
I'll keep posting if i make more breakthroughs....
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FASTDORMANCY wakelock:
Im going to keep this short; fast_dormancy is for 3G only (maybe also lte) and its some over the top thing. more info by erica griffin on youtube. suffice it to say that if you install fastdormancy toggle by gokhanmohal from the app store you can easily switch it off. works for the i9305 as well. requires root.

aejazhaq said:
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this is really a HUGE problem for me cause i get calls at all hours of the day. I went home after 30h shift and fell asleep on the couch. i had about 50% batt so i though i had enough and my battery dies somewhere in the heavenly sleep i was in...my prof kept calling me and i missed out on a surgery and he was absolutly mental with me (not that i blame him)...so you see I cant have this happening to me again. Im forced to carry the charger around everywhere i go and its a matter of time before i lose my phone leaving it around. Please help and be simple.
contingent to helping, everyone is a hero!
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I get around 2-3 days with the standard battery, 4-5 days with a 4300 mAh and 6-10 days with the 7000 mAh zerolemon (the bigger numbers are for scenarios where I only use the device strictly as phone - no games, no hours on internet).
The tricks that I use on the standard i9300:
- custom ROM, very little bloatware (I still keep the Samsung stuff that is to be used in case of lost/stolen phone, but no longer the free Avast - which is vastly superior for that purpose but the i9300 only has 1 GB of RAM)
- power-saving mode activated at all times when a serious game is not playing (this basically keeps max CPU at 1 GHz and is more than enough for anything on normal use; this also is very effective on stock kernel - on custom kernels it is less important, but on stock it is essential)
- every app and widget is set NOT to automatically refresh (or to refresh very rare and only on WiFi - my provider sucks on data plans)
- I use the toggles a lot and I keep stuff started only when I really need/use it - especially cellular data and wifi
- also greenify seems to help a little ; I also keep some stuff frozen with Titanium backup
- another thing that helps is a good custom kernel - on i9300 I use Siyah, Perseus and now GoogyMax - but you must be very careful with kernels since the image for i9305 is always different than the one for i9300
- if you want ultra-fast UI I would recommend Apex launcher (kept locked in memory) and exDialer (also kept locked in memory).

xclub_101 said:
I get around 2-3 days with the standard battery, 4-5 days with a 4300 mAh and 6-10 days with the 7000 mAh zerolemon (the bigger numbers are for scenarios where I only use the device strictly as phone - no games, no hours on internet).
The tricks that I use on the standard i9300:
- custom ROM, very little bloatware (I still keep the Samsung stuff that is to be used in case of lost/stolen phone, but no longer the free Avast - which is vastly superior for that purpose but the i9300 only has 1 GB of RAM)
- power-saving mode activated at all times when a serious game is not playing (this basically keeps max CPU at 1 GHz and is more than enough for anything on normal use; this also is very effective on stock kernel - on custom kernels it is less important, but on stock it is essential)
- every app and widget is set NOT to automatically refresh (or to refresh very rare and only on WiFi - my provider sucks on data plans)
- I use the toggles a lot and I keep stuff started only when I really need/use it - especially cellular data and wifi
- also greenify seems to help a little ; I also keep some stuff frozen with Titanium backup
- another thing that helps is a good custom kernel - on i9300 I use Siyah, Perseus and now GoogyMax - but you must be very careful with kernels since the image for i9305 is always different than the one for i9300
- if you want ultra-fast UI I would recommend Apex launcher (kept locked in memory) and exDialer (also kept locked in memory).
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Thanks a lot for the prompt reply...
i do use nova launcher prime....honestly other than the sauce-e-ness i think the touch wiz is about as fast.
I dont have apps on auto update....infact ive never used my gmail via the app on the phone...i check it via the browser. i have twitter but all the options are on manual updates only.
I dont use wifi unless i have to (which is quite to a minimum) cause im always on the move and routers are password protected. i dont even use the 3G (the reason for toggling off the fast dormancy) only GPRS, which is on all the time for whatsapp.
Ill try the greenify and the power saving mode...thanks for that.
Now for the kernel and rom...i love having the toogle switchs and the brightness on the notification bar...i dont want to loose those. I dont want to change the rom and kernel unless i reallly have to, so ill maybe hold on that for now. But is there a way i can maybe just turn the locks off or better yet fix them is its possible...
I miss my BlackBerry days.....so simple were the times!

aejazhaq said:
Thanks a lot for the prompt reply...
i do use nova launcher prime....honestly other than the sauce-e-ness i think the touch wiz is about as fast.
I dont have apps on auto update....infact ive never used my gmail via the app on the phone...i check it via the browser. i have twitter but all the options are on manual updates only.
I dont use wifi unless i have to (which is quite to a minimum) cause im always on the move and routers are password protected. i dont even use the 3G (the reason for toggling off the fast dormancy) only GPRS, which is on all the time for whatsapp.
Ill try the greenify and the power saving mode...thanks for that.
Now for the kernel and rom...i love having the toogle switchs and the brightness on the notification bar...i dont want to loose those. I dont want to change the rom and kernel unless i reallly have to, so ill maybe hold on that for now. But is there a way i can maybe just turn the locks off or better yet fix them is its possible...
I miss my BlackBerry days.....so simple were the times!
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The Apex/Nova performance should be rather similar - I only mentioned Apex in the context of the 'slow drawing" that you mentioned initially. For that one you should also force GPU rendering, set animation delay to 0.5x (double speed), eventually test with and without hardware overlays.
Unfortunately there always are apps on auto-update (maps, taks/hangouts, play store, weather widgets and so on). Facebok is really, really bad - I always freeze that one in Titanium Backup. Also Twitter is said to create problems under certain conditions - but I never use that (and I also freeze this one).

aejazhaq said:
Thanks a lot for the prompt reply...
i do use nova launcher prime....honestly other than the sauce-e-ness i think the touch wiz is about as fast.
I dont have apps on auto update....infact ive never used my gmail via the app on the phone...i check it via the browser. i have twitter but all the options are on manual updates only.
I dont use wifi unless i have to (which is quite to a minimum) cause im always on the move and routers are password protected. i dont even use the 3G (the reason for toggling off the fast dormancy) only GPRS, which is on all the time for whatsapp.
Ill try the greenify and the power saving mode...thanks for that.
Now for the kernel and rom...i love having the toogle switchs and the brightness on the notification bar...i dont want to loose those. I dont want to change the rom and kernel unless i reallly have to, so ill maybe hold on that for now. But is there a way i can maybe just turn the locks off or better yet fix them is its possible...
I miss my BlackBerry days.....so simple were the times!
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How's your signal strength? If you have a crappy signal(and I assume you do because most hospitals I've been to have crappy signals) it really messes with your battery uptime.

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davtse said:
How's your signal strength? If you have a crappy signal(and I assume you do because most hospitals I've been to have crappy signals) it really messes with your battery uptime.
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Yeah sigal strength isnt excellent but i get all bars nost of the times...ive enabled the force GPU rendering and the hardware overlay....i read somewhere that the hardware overlay saves rom cause it creates seperate channels for the GPU processing each app seperatly rather than sharing a pooled ram space...i noticed less RAM being used after that so i left it on...as for the scroll lag i turned on the GPU did wonders for the scroll...not the gallery though but i think that might be because im on a class2 card...
For the others that may read this about the wakelock fastdormancy, I had the same issue but i fixed it....luckily the other tutorial out there was to code your way out of the wakelock but for someone like me (and i consider myself fairly well interms of following instructions) the tutorial way a crashcorse in jibberish! understood nothign not to say in the least wasted my time....thought im sure it does what it says....
MY ADVICE ON FASTDORMANCY is that you guys head over to youutbe and search for : "fastdormancy erica griffin" shes got a tutorial that explains what it is in the first 5 mins and in the last 5 she tell you how to spot if ur carrier provider has it and how to turn if off THE EASY WAY without coding!!!!! so cheers to that
HEADS UP: shes using a i9300 and the play store software is also labelled "fastdormancy toogle switch for i9300" but rest assured it works for the i9305 (atleast it did on mine thankfully) REQUIRES A ROOT though....but if ur rooted that itll take max 15mins to turn it off
say thanks if it helped you out....its the least you can do!

Fast dormancy is activated within each networks CSC settings .
Yes the I9300 Faqs and What is Fast Dormancy posts say turn it off unless your network supports it .
jje

You mentioned AudioOut_2. Do you have Viber installed? For scrolling, well I don't have a problem with that, or with performance at all. This smartphone is super fast. Now a little basic education; you have a computer in your pocket with a lot of different services and apps installed, and not all of them are built equally well. Theoretically any of those apps can be a problem in your configuration. That can happen even to super computers. So it doesn't have to be a Samsung's or phone's fault. Though Samsung puts a lot of bloatware, but you are free to remove it and tweak your device as a power user . You have already rooted your 9305 . Now remove all sh* you don't use/need, install a custom kernel like Perseus or Boefla, OC a little and tweak your phone for performance. In settings under developer options section, force GPU rendering. Maybe try disabling hardware overlays, but just try. It will depend on a lot of things if it is going to help actually.
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And to go back to your battery again, the problem is probably one or more of your apps. You cannot have a bunch of viber like apps running in the background 0-24 and have a low battery drain. Viber is one of the worst I had on this phone, GN2 and Galaxy Nexus. It was draining the battery like crazy with the AudioOut_2 process. Also if you have opportunity, use wireless instead of mobile provider internet. That will save your battery too.
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Also when you can, turn off the mobile data, or better turn on the airplane mode. For example, if you are going to sleep, and you don't have to answer to no one in first 3 h of sleep, turn on the airplane mode, and alarm, wake up, and turn of the airplane mode, continue sleeping . You'll do that only if you are really desperate to get the most of the battery of course.
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Turn off location services, if you don't use them. Turn off auto location in weather widgets, if you use them. Turn off motions.

!crazy said:
You mentioned AudioOut_2. Do you have Viber installed? For scrolling, well I don't have a problem with that, or with performance at all. This smartphone is super fast. Now a little basic education; you have a computer in your pocket with a lot of different services and apps installed, and not all of them are built equally well. Theoretically any of those apps can be a problem in your configuration. That can happen even to super computers. So it doesn't have to be a Samsung's or phone's fault. Though Samsung puts a lot of bloatware, but you are free to remove it and tweak your device as a power user . You have already rooted your 9305 . Now remove all sh* you don't use/need, install a custom kernel like Perseus or Boefla, OC a little and tweak your phone for performance. In settings under developer options section, force GPU rendering. Maybe try disabling hardware overlays, but just try. It will depend on a lot of things if it is going to help actually.
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And to go back to your battery again, the problem is probably one or more of your apps. You cannot have a bunch of viber like apps running in the background 0-24 and have a low battery drain. Viber is one of the worst I had on this phone, GN2 and Galaxy Nexus. It was draining the battery like crazy with the AudioOut_2 process. Also if you have opportunity, use wireless instead of mobile provider internet. That will save your battery too.
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Also when you can, turn off the mobile data, or better turn on the airplane mode. For example, if you are going to sleep, and you don't have to answer to no one in first 3 h of sleep, turn on the airplane mode, and alarm, wake up, and turn of the airplane mode, continue sleeping . You'll do that only if you are really desperate to get the most of the battery of course.
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Turn off location services, if you don't use them. Turn off auto location in weather widgets, if you use them. Turn off motions.
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So i tried it last night with the data off...blimy was i surprised! i lost only 2% over night...approx 6h!!! thats was mind numbing!!!! so i think its safe to say that the problem is an app thats connecting all the time...i have most apps greeneefied...but accourding to the BBS the network usage is by android (OS and the system) mostly...how do i turn that off???
Ive already turned off all the location services and nothing is on auto sync or autorefresh...hardly any of the apps i installed are showing up int he network tab in BBS...just a quick question what should i pay more attention to, the total time awake or the number of wakelocks or the numebr of times waking the device (im also using GSam battery monitor...i think its got a better UI and equally good monitoring as BBS)
No i dont have viper or skype or anythign like that...the only thing i have is whatsapp...you think the problems will go away if i chenge the kernel/ROM?

Usually the most important tab from BBS is partial wakelocks. Total time awake is important, it tells you that your phone spends a lot of time awake for example, but in order to find out why, you usually check partial wakelocks. There you look for wakelocks who take a lot of time. If disabling data helped that much, you probably have a bad reception. At home you don't need mobile data, you probably have wireless network, so use that. I don't think changing kernel will help. Changing ROM maybe. ICS ROMs were using less power than Jelly Bean.
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Regarding network usage, how much is that mostly? If you are connected to any network, there has to be some network activity because of the network protocols alone.

!crazy said:
Usually the most important tab from BBS is partial wakelocks. Total time awake is important, it tells you that your phone spends a lot of time awake for example, but in order to find out why, you usually check partial wakelocks. There you look for wakelocks who take a lot of time. If disabling data helped that much, you probably have a bad reception. At home you don't need mobile data, you probably have wireless network, so use that. I don't think changing kernel will help. Changing ROM maybe. ICS ROMs were using less power than Jelly Bean.
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Regarding network usage, how much is that mostly? If you are connected to any network, there has to be some network activity because of the network protocols alone.
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I dont use the mobile data a lot mainly whatsapp to communicate with friends in other countries...i could leave it to wifi when im home but in the hospital a lot of them are passowrd protected and i move around a lot from floor to floor so i dont think that will be feasible...im perplexed that network activity alone would cause such a drain!!!
do you think if i turned system updates off that might help? i doubt it since on wifi there arnt much wakelocks outside my screen time...
and another quick question s3 (i9300) has a lot of custom kernels and roms but i see that i9305 not as many and i can obviously use the former for the latter but which is the best kernel/ROM for i9305 for a smooth and fast experiernce....I really love the notification toggle buttons on the stock ROM and i saw that null ROM has it but there isnt a i9305 version

!crazy said:
Usually the most important tab from BBS is partial wakelocks. Total time awake is important, it tells you that your phone spends a lot of time awake for example, but in order to find out why, you usually check partial wakelocks. There you look for wakelocks who take a lot of time. If disabling data helped that much, you probably have a bad reception. At home you don't need mobile data, you probably have wireless network, so use that. I don't think changing kernel will help. Changing ROM maybe. ICS ROMs were using less power than Jelly Bean.
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Regarding network usage, how much is that mostly? If you are connected to any network, there has to be some network activity because of the network protocols alone.
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I dont use the mobile data a lot mainly whatsapp to communicate with friends in other countries...i could leave it to wifi when im home but in the hospital a lot of them are passowrd protected and i move around a lot from floor to floor so i dont think that will be feasible...im perplexed that network activity alone would cause such a drain!!!
do you think if i turned system updates off that might help? i doubt it since on wifi there arnt much wakelocks outside my screen time...
and another quick question s3 (i9300) has a lot of custom kernels and roms but i see that i9305 not as many and i can obviously use the former for the latter but which is the best kernel/ROM for i9305 for a smooth and fast experiernce....I really love the notification toggle buttons on the stock ROM and i saw that null ROM has it but there isnt a i9305 version

This is mine on rooted stock. Played with nearly all cus roms but cant get close to better than this so for me stock all the way!
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Yep and battery time too!
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aejazhaq said:
I dont use the mobile data a lot mainly whatsapp to communicate with friends in other countries...i could leave it to wifi when im home but in the hospital a lot of them are passowrd protected and i move around a lot from floor to floor so i dont think that will be feasible...im perplexed that network activity alone would cause such a drain!!!
do you think if i turned system updates off that might help? i doubt it since on wifi there arnt much wakelocks outside my screen time...
and another quick question s3 (i9300) has a lot of custom kernels and roms but i see that i9305 not as many and i can obviously use the former for the latter but which is the best kernel/ROM for i9305 for a smooth and fast experiernce....I really love the notification toggle buttons on the stock ROM and i saw that null ROM has it but there isnt a i9305 version
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Yes, modem uses more power then wireless in normal circumstances, but when the reception is poor it can drain the battery almost like screen.
Regarding performance, try Boefla or Perseus kernels with stock based ROMs, but remove all stuff you don't need. You can search for 'apps safe to remove ob S3' or similar.
Use one of leaner launchers. I like Nova, but you can try something leaner.

so i finally figured out most of the wakelocks....the gtalk is really acting up...apparently when i disable the google framework services in the apps the wakelock disappeares altogeather! but you cant work the play store or gmail without that....what do i do? any updates for that available maybe they have fixed it?
btw i tried a new ROM the x_power rom...its much better in terms of battery life and equally smooth, more customisable and so far i think im loving it more than the touchwiz.....but unfortunatly i still have the wakelocks...alas! im tired of all this!
anyway can i turn off the android system and android OS communicating (with God knows whom) through my internet permenently? im tired of it and thts the problem behind my wakeloacks (atleast some of them)
thanks

You have said that when you disable mobile data things get better? Now I don't get this, why wakelocks are there only when mobile data are used instead of wireless?
Further, having wakelocks is perfectly normal, it depends on how much CPU time they are taking.
If you want you can use Rom Toolbox Pro, or System Tuner Pro or even a file browser to remove system apps you think to cause a problem, after you are sure the system works ok when they are disabled (frozen).
With apps like I have just mentioned, you can freeze (permanently disable, until you defrost them.) talk or hangouts or even framework to check how it works. Then if it's ok for you, remove them completely.
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But if disabling mobile data helps, and you don't need them all the time (the connection sucks where you are in hospital, so you have no use of it anyway.) why not just doing that, disabling data when you are at work?
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And yes, regarding 'with God know whom' in order for connection to be active, the protocol needs to exchange some data, so that you can receive new messages for example etc. But yes, some other things could happen too . For example a couple of months ago, or even a year, a guy from Germany traced the packages of Samsung's voice app (I forgot the name, since I am not using/having it.) to NSA or something like that servers.
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Have you updated gtalks to hangout and see if the wake lock persists ?
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no i havnt updated to hangouts instead of google talk...i had that frozen for awhile but found out htat the gtalk wakelock wasnt by the talk app but by google services (apparently including the play store and gmail etc)
but ill give it a go and see where things go....
Samsung updating to NSA? what the what?!? im perplexed and bewildered!
yeah i dont have the waklocks on wifi or when i restrict the data connection in the setting menu...someone pointed out it might by the relentless attempts to the tower by the phone so i think that shots down that theory...oh by the way i turned off the data connection one night and left the wifi on and to my utter surprise i lost only 1% total battery in the night! now thats what i call preformance!!!! so i think 2 days on a single charge and good use isnt out of ambition alone..
i read a post by some guy (on XDA link: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=221339) hes getting round 9 hours of battery life and another one who says 10hours thought this one is a more mature dev i think... for the life of me id pay them to help me get that preformance!!!
the wakelocks are approx over an hour with only 3-ish hours of screen time total between charges....i think for that little use and hour of wakeup time is a bit excessive...but its begining to really tick me off....ill try undervolting....but for now my biggest enemy are the activitymanager_launch , and the GTLK_ASYNCCONN and another new one taht popped up with this new custom rom the EM/android_talk638c986c851e....
oh by the way whenever i charge my phone stays awake despite screen off....that not only heats up the phone whenever i pick it up but also slows dows charging...like i said my schedule is very tight all the time and i need approx 3-4h for a full charge from 10%...thats messed up...
can we get a dev in here?

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After upgrading to Tizen......

Hello, I recently updated to TIZEN and I must say that I LOVE IT NOW!!!! Wayyyyyy more apps, clocks, features, customizations and and enhancements, plus it seems to be faster!! Android OS had Very little apps/clocks etc, so it got boring real fast, not much you could do with it, plus there were not going to be anymore updates or apps added so i figured i would go ahead and update to tizen.. Just wanted to share my experience if your thinking about upgrading or not..

I am about to do this....
StephenLeo said:
Hello, I recently updated to TIZEN and I must say that I LOVE IT NOW!!!! Wayyyyyy more apps, clocks, features, customizations and and enhancements, plus it seems to be faster!! Android OS had Very little apps/clocks etc, so it got boring real fast, not much you could do with it, plus there were not going to be anymore updates or apps added so i figured i would go ahead and update to tizen.. Just wanted to share my experience if your thinking about upgrading or not..
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I unraveled my Rooted/Custom Recovery/null ROM'd Galaxy Gear today and went back to stock in preparation for this update. I was wondering how it is and have been looking for some related reviews, etc.
Good to know a little bit more about this before I take the leap.
Thanks.:good:

flashred said:
I unraveled my Rooted/Custom Recovery/null ROM'd Galaxy Gear today and went back to stock in preparation for this update. I was wondering how it is and have been looking for some related reviews, etc.
Good to know a little bit more about this before I take the leap.
Thanks.:good:
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So you need to revert to stock in order to do the update to Tizen? I still haven't decided yet. I need to read up what Tizen can or cannot do compared to Gear stock and then Null ROM; and working non Samsung phones as well.

I havent played with it as android OS , bought it and went direct to update to tizen , its watch not phone , it so tiny cant do alot , and Samsung Market got most of things i want.If its works alone without phone , you may need to do some tricks and roots for it , but phone always be with ya , play with phone and keep watch stock
didnt find anythin interesting to go android that beats Tizen for That gear

fortissimo said:
So you need to revert to stock in order to do the update to Tizen? I still haven't decided yet. I need to read up what Tizen can or cannot do compared to Gear stock and then Null ROM; and working non Samsung phones as well.
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No you don't, upgrading to tizen will erase EVERYTHING as it will also change the bootloader of the watch You'll have to update from Odin while entering the watch in download mode, so again NO you don't need to revert
Hope this helps
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I havent played with it as android OS , bought it and went direct to update to tizen , its watch not phone , it so tiny cant do alot , and Samsung Market got most of things i want.If its works alone without phone , you may need to do some tricks and roots for it , but phone always be with ya , play with phone and keep watch stock
didnt find anythin interesting to go android that beats Tizen for That gear
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To be frank, I have only one thing that I really miss and which is kind of a dealbreaker for me is the fact that you can't record more than 15sec in 720p, at least on android you could do 1min, and SVR was really convenient to record without others knowing it lol

Tizen = 0 app, Android = 500000000 apps. I love null rom! Thanks @fOmey
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I'm holding out for Android wear port and have ability to take a phone call. IMO not having this feature is its biggest failure. Yes I could tizen but in the end the wear app store will be where the apps are.
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gingerdude said:
I'm holding out for Android wear port and have ability to take a phone call. IMO not having this feature is its biggest failure. Yes I could tizen but in the end the wear app store will be where the apps are.
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In the mean time check out the app Sprocket on xda http://forum.xda-developers.com/galaxy-gear/themes-apps/app-sprocket-sms-mms-file-transfer-t2804294 . The Dev has been updating it and just dropped an update the other day, I also have an Alpha of the next release which should be any day which fixed some FC issues for me. Anyhow he has the notifications from the device showing up on the Gear and most of them are interactable like music apps and my remote app. Basically if it has functions and stay on your phone notification, then you can control them via Sprocket. Also on the next release he has the Whitelist so you can turn off unwanted notifications. Right now I have Google Now notifications on the gear. Plus you can transfer files and install any apps from your phone on the gear. And a full sms/mms function on the watch, but it's not very easy to type on the gear unless you have google now working offline or you tether to your phone.
Chris

Last couple of days Gear 1 w/Tizen won't shut off - restarts everytime - have reset, uninstalled/reinstalled everything, even reflashed firmware - any ideas? Thanks in advance

StephenLeo said:
Hello, I recently updated to TIZEN and I must say that I LOVE IT NOW!!!! Wayyyyyy more apps, clocks, features, customizations and and enhancements, plus it seems to be faster!! Android OS had Very little apps/clocks etc, so it got boring real fast, not much you could do with it, plus there were not going to be anymore updates or apps added so i figured i would go ahead and update to tizen.. Just wanted to share my experience if your thinking about upgrading or not..
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I've lost substantial battery life - can't get through a full day now. Everything you mention is useless if it's sitting in the charger.

Avignon said:
I've lost substantial battery life - can't get through a full day now. Everything you mention is useless if it's sitting in the charger.
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I would probably check out whether you have a faulty battery, the general consensis is battery life is better on tizen. My gear rarely saw more than a day of battery life on the stock kernel with android, but with tizen I frequently only use 30% per day.

Avignon said:
I've lost substantial battery life - can't get through a full day now. Everything you mention is useless if it's sitting in the charger.
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I've also just moved back to Tizen and was getting not so good battery life. I followed someone's advice to reset the gear in recovery and it actually worked perfect. It's 200% better after doing that. I also reset in Tizen, then booted to recovery and it automatically resets. I did the recovery reset 2x though just to be sure. Anyhow good luck. And if you haven't done the reset in recovery please try that.
Chris

noellenchris said:
I've also just moved back to Tizen and was getting not so good battery life. I followed someone's advice to reset the gear in recovery and it actually worked perfect. It's 200% better after doing that. I also reset in Tizen, then booted to recovery and it automatically resets. I did the recovery reset 2x though just to be sure. Anyhow good luck. And if you haven't done the reset in recovery please try that.
Chris
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yes - I've done the reinstall GM and reset in recovery several times.
My battery life is worse than the original firmware from last year.
I'm trying to figure out how to get it back to where it was last week with the previous GM and Android.

I also face some problems with battery life. But the problem appears not always. Sometimes it use 30% per day, but sometimes it discharges in couple our hours. Seems like some of the processes drains battery. Any ideas what?

hurdleman said:
I also face some problems with battery life. But the problem appears not always. Sometimes it use 30% per day, but sometimes it discharges in couple our hours. Seems like some of the processes drains battery. Any ideas what?
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Anything that may be using the camera or motion to wake would drain battery. Also I do frequently double tap and hold with 2 fingers to bring up the task manager and close all running apps just to be sure.
Chris

Good day. I have Gear 2 and is on Tizen and my battery life on the stock standard and standard watchfaces is 1.5 to 2 day. I have recently changed the watch face with a nice custom built one and then this change drained the battery within one day. Thus my conclusion, the fancier the stuff you load the more operating power it use and then it drains the battery. Also I had the Gear1 on Android. Android in my opinion use more battery life by meas of operating power.

[Q&A] [ROM][OFFICIAL][KitKat 4.4.4][TENDERLOIN] PAC-man 4.4.4.RC-2

Q&A for [ROM][OFFICIAL][KitKat 4.4.4][TENDERLOIN] PAC-man 4.4.4.RC-2
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Before posting, please use the forum search and read through the discussion thread for [ROM][OFFICIAL][KitKat 4.4.4][TENDERLOIN] PAC-man 4.4.4.RC-2. If you can't find an answer, post it here, being sure to give as much information as possible (firmware version, steps to reproduce, logcat if available) so that you can get help.
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PAC ROM on Tenderloin/ HP Touchpad
Hopefully, I am not the only one with this issue. I have searched around but no answers
I installed the latest PAC ROM on my Touchpad and have been able to update it to 4.4.4. I moved over from Evervolv and the performance jump appears to be significant. I do get the sense that the screen resolution/display is a bit reduced and not as high quality as the Evervolv version but it could be a simple case of my eyes deceiving me.
Regardless, here is my question - I have set up multiple users with me being the owner/administrator and the other accounts set up as restricted users .
The device works fine under the Administrator/Owner account. However, the restricted user accounts do not work. I have setup three different accounts and selection of any one of them after startup causes a reboot. Switching from an Administrator/Owner account to the restricted account also leads to a reboot.
Would appreciate any help/guidance/suggestions on how this can be fixed. Thanks.

My device take so long to reboot and also big lack when I use power or home button to wake up the screen. Other than that I love this Rom and using in severeal devices. Running latest 10-31 here.

PAC ROM and Multi-User setup
Hello, any one there to lend a helping hand. Would appreciate any input/guidance shared. Please help. Thanks
awaraarawa said:
Hopefully, I am not the only one with this issue. I have searched around but no answers
I installed the latest PAC ROM on my Touchpad and have been able to update it to 4.4.4. I moved over from Evervolv and the performance jump appears to be significant. I do get the sense that the screen resolution/display is a bit reduced and not as high quality as the Evervolv version but it could be a simple case of my eyes deceiving me.
Regardless, here is my question - I have set up multiple users with me being the owner/administrator and the other accounts set up as restricted users .
The device works fine under the Administrator/Owner account. However, the restricted user accounts do not work. I have setup three different accounts and selection of any one of them after startup causes a reboot. Switching from an Administrator/Owner account to the restricted account also leads to a reboot.
Would appreciate any help/guidance/suggestions on how this can be fixed. Thanks.
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Any one wanting to help me? Or do I have to post 10 of these silly notes to get to post to the real forums?

Hi
Thanks for the rom, I've had a coupe of issues, hope this feedback helps. The first one was after installing the 3.0 kernel 18 nov rom, mounting the ext partition on Windows 7 was flaky. Attempting to copy large chunks of data back to touchpad would freeze after about 100 to 300 mb. However, plugging in since had worked fine. Strange.
Trebuchet was scaling icons on home screens and drawer. Switched to nova and all looks better.
Next is the pac settings. Just enabling halo once has messed things up with the button bar. Back stopped doing any actions. The button settings section is broken, with buttons and lastly sub menu having top headings of rearrange/settings repeating every time you switch to the settings app. When it's like this neither rearrange our settings respond to key press.
After a reboot back button works for a while, and then stops working (across all apps and launcher).
Flashed 24Nov, back button issue still there, now considering to remove user data. If there's an option to restore pac defaults I might try that.
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awaraarawa said:
Hopefully, I am not the only one with this issue. I have searched around but no answers
I installed the latest PAC ROM on my Touchpad and have been able to update it to 4.4.4. I moved over from Evervolv and the performance jump appears to be significant. I do get the sense that the screen resolution/display is a bit reduced and not as high quality as the Evervolv version but it could be a simple case of my eyes deceiving me.
Regardless, here is my question - I have set up multiple users with me being the owner/administrator and the other accounts set up as restricted users .
The device works fine under the Administrator/Owner account. However, the restricted user accounts do not work. I have setup three different accounts and selection of any one of them after startup causes a reboot. Switching from an Administrator/Owner account to the restricted account also leads to a reboot.
Would appreciate any help/guidance/suggestions on how this can be fixed. Thanks.
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My guess is this channel is not monitored
I have not seen any replies
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My guess is this channel is not monitored
I have not seen any replies
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Or my issue is know and there are no solutions
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Any one wanting to help me? Or do I have to post 10 of these silly notes to get to post to the real forums?
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I guess I have to post a few times and gain access to the main channel and ask for help
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I think replying to posts does not count. Only new posts count?

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My guess is this channel is not monitored
I have not seen any replies
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Or my issue is know and there are no solutions
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I guess I have to post a few times and gain access to the main channel and ask for help
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I think replying to posts does not count. Only new posts count?
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Or your issue is so specific that no one else has reported it, and since it's not repeatable, no one can help you. Most likely any issue with multiuser in CM11 is with Android itself, not the ROM. Try some other ROM and see if you have the same problem.

shumash said:
Or your issue is so specific that no one else has reported it, and since it's not repeatable, no one can help you. Most likely any issue with multiuser in CM11 is with Android itself, not the ROM. Try some other ROM and see if you have the same problem.
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Very valid.........or it could be that there is a problem with the ROM?!
I had a different ROM about two months ago and multi-user worked fine on it. I switched to this ROM for performance. Although I was able to setup multiple users on this ROM, I cannot log in to the additional user accounts that have been setup
Hoping it is a bug with this ROM and I can get educated on the option to fix it. Please help and bump to the regular discussion thread where I can post my request.

Thanks
shumash, thanks for posting the query to the main forum....no answers but that is not the point. Thank you for being helpful and for taking the time. Appreciate it.
Hopefully, there will be an answer OR it might that the ROM does not support this feature. Via a terminal window, I have verified that Android is reporting the max number of users that have been setup. So, have to think it might be bug in the ROM.

awaraarawa said:
shumash, thanks for posting the query to the main forum....no answers but that is not the point. Thank you for being helpful and for taking the time. Appreciate it.
Hopefully, there will be an answer OR it might that the ROM does not support this feature. Via a terminal window, I have verified that Android is reporting the max number of users that have been setup. So, have to think it might be bug in the ROM.
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I just setup another user account (not a restricted one). Rebooted and logged in with no problems. I'm not sure what the problem is, but it doesn't appear to be with the ROM.

shumash said:
I just setup another user account (not a restricted one). Rebooted and logged in with no problems. I'm not sure what the problem is, but it doesn't appear to be with the ROM.
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Good golly, that is good news indeed!
So, I retraced all of the work. This time, instead of restricted users, I setup up regular additional users. Kept my fingers crossed, waited for the planets and the stars to align and watched the screen closely. No go. So, something is not quite right then at my end. shumash, thanks for the confirmation.
I did the next best thing. I updated the ROM from Oct 13 build to the latest. Cleaned the cache, installed the ROM and GAPSS and restarted......and then waited......and then waited.......and then some more......and then some more......did I say I waited for the boot process to complete?!
Finally, the screen is up, and I setup the additional users and then selected the new user to login. It worked! Deleted the new user and setup a restricted user. It worked! So, only thing I can figure out from this excitement is that the old ROM had a problem which has been fixed in the new ROM....or some gremlins were out to get me and they are now gone.
Either way, thank you. I have a working device. Will play with it some more and share feedback if u like....but here are a couple to consider - the start up process is taking almost five minutes....my PC boots faster! The Oct ROM was a snap to boot up but this is on the slow train to nowhere! Not sure what happened last night but I went to bed after the update around 2:30am....turned the device on at 9am and found the battery had run down completely. Not sure why.
Seems there are some compatibility problems with online audio streaming and blue tooth speakers? I cannot get TuneIn to work with external blue tooth speakers. The stream is lost and TuneIn craters......will give it a try for a few more days. TuneIn itself works fine. But when I try to stream to an external speaker via BT, it is goodbyesville.
let me know if you want me to share feedback.....and if u bump me into the main forum, I can post it right there rather than this rookie holding space!

A bit of an update......figured a few more things in life with this ROM
The battery issue was a one-time thing. Have not seen that drainage issue again. So, good news. What I did see is some thing is not quite right in how the battery is getting charged. My completely drained battery was fully charged in less than 30 minutes.....something that takes quite a few hours normally. I can only chalk it to something not quite right with the code in the ROM regards battery charging and capacity. Backing this is the Battery Doctor app.....while it states the battery is fully charged, the ROM indicates charging is not yet complete. Not sure which one or if both of them are getting inaccurate read on the battery in this ROM. Will keep an eye on it for a bit more time but no issue with battery drainage
Same story on the wireless streaming on BT. It was a bad call. All is fine but I seemed to have lost all of my bookmarks in TuneIn. Had to set them up again but will keep an eye on them.
Now if only I can get excited about watching paint dry or the grass growing while it reboots.....sigh!

Another update.....there is still something funky with the battery charging. I thought it was a mistake and a non-issue in my update yesterday. There is an issue. My tablet went to deep freeze last night. Cannot quite figure out what the issue is.
The tablet was at 65% charge when I was ready to call it a night around 2am. To be sure that there was nothing else that would cause problems, I rebooted the tablet and set it aside. The battery charge went down to 64% after the reboot. Set it aside for the night to check on its performance. Tried to turn it on @ 9am approx and the device would not come one. No sign of life when placed on the charging stand. Not even the dead/empty battery sign. Left it there for a few hours and still now sign of life. Did a hard reset of the tablet and it came one and displayed a charge of 13%. That is after it was on the charging stand for atleast 3 - 4 hours which accounts for the little bit of charge it showed. Took all day to get full charged. Did not touch it until it was fully charged. I am going to do the same tonight i.e. reboot the tablet and set it aside. Will see what happens.
Anyone experience this with the Dec release of the ROM? I installed the Battery Monitor widget to see if I can figure out what is going on. Will share an update when I see a bit more information.

awaraarawa said:
Another update.....there is still something funky with the battery charging. I thought it was a mistake and a non-issue in my update yesterday. There is an issue. My tablet went to deep freeze last night. Cannot quite figure out what the issue is.
The tablet was at 65% charge when I was ready to call it a night around 2am. To be sure that there was nothing else that would cause problems, I rebooted the tablet and set it aside. The battery charge went down to 64% after the reboot. Set it aside for the night to check on its performance. Tried to turn it on @ 9am approx and the device would not come one. No sign of life when placed on the charging stand. Not even the dead/empty battery sign. Left it there for a few hours and still now sign of life. Did a hard reset of the tablet and it came one and displayed a charge of 13%. That is after it was on the charging stand for atleast 3 - 4 hours which accounts for the little bit of charge it showed. Took all day to get full charged. Did not touch it until it was fully charged. I am going to do the same tonight i.e. reboot the tablet and set it aside. Will see what happens.
Anyone experience this with the Dec release of the ROM? I installed the Battery Monitor widget to see if I can figure out what is going on. Will share an update when I see a bit more information.
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Despite other claims to the contrary, the Touchstone charger has always been funky for me. Try using the usb barrel charger.

shumash said:
Despite other claims to the contrary, the Touchstone charger has always been funky for me. Try using the usb barrel charger.
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I will have to dig for it somewhere.....not sure if I have it anymore! I think I do, but not sure where it is.
I have been using the Touchstone charger for a couple of years now without problems......so, unless, we have an extraordinary coincidence, I would not think that is the problem. But again, strange things have happened......will post an update when I have figured out more clues.

awaraarawa said:
I will have to dig for it somewhere.....not sure if I have it anymore! I think I do, but not sure where it is.
I have been using the Touchstone charger for a couple of years now without problems......so, unless, we have an extraordinary coincidence, I would not think that is the problem. But again, strange things have happened......will post an update when I have figured out more clues.
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The Barrel charger comes with the Touchstone you just need a decent usb lead.

sstar said:
The Barrel charger comes with the Touchstone you just need a decent usb lead.
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Thanks, sstar, for the tip. Fortunately, I found the original charger cable and barrel. As I suspected, the issue was not with the Touchstone. I have charged with the barrel as well as the the Touchstone. I seem to have stabilized the issues with no more surprises. No more run down tablet with no charge left, no more blue tooth streaming issues. Have not played with the camera, etc. but that is not an active need for me.
Multi-user works well, device streams well, blue tooth works well, battery charges well (with the charger as well as Touchstone). All is well in PACROM land., atleast from where I sit at!
Open items from my end is the long boot time. As I mentioned earlier, the October release was a snap to boot/reboot. Less than a minute. This version takes almost 5 minutes - one minute of a blank screen followed by over 3 minutes of insert coin. I am sure there is a reason for this change and that smart folks are working to get this improved. I did notice that the boot sequence often fails and starts over once or twice before settling down to complete the full five minutes of startup.
Now to the mystery of what could have discharged the battery completely - I have no clues here. Atlease once, I did not see it complete the full boot sequence, so perhaps, it crashed during the boot sequence and bled the battery dry. Other times, I know it was a fresh boot that had completed fully. I have installed battery widget to monitor the battery charging/discharging and have noticed an anamoly atleast once which could be simply attributed to an application/measurement error. The widget reported a battery charge during the middle of the night when all creatures big and small in this home had gone to bed.....excepting the gremlins who volunteered to plug in the tablet for a charge for a brief moment!
Thanks to all of the good folks behind the PACMAN ROM. It is a wonderful and capable ROM and is an excellent demonstration of the community putting its best foot forward for the betterment of life! Thank you all again. Kudos and keep up the good work.:good::good::good::good::good:

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Open items from my end is the long boot time.
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Probably not a ROM issue. With latest build, mine boots in 40-50 seconds. Don't know what your problem is, but sometimes it's a network issue. Turn off wifi, boot with it off, and see if the boot time improves. If not, you may need to go the complete clean and install via TP Toolbox.

Disable NavBar on HPTouchpad PACMAN Rom
Hey All,
I've installed PACMAN Rom KK RC-3 dev recently with kernel 3.4 and it works very well. Battery live is very good and everything works a bit smoother than with my old CM11.
I choosed PACMAN because there are a lot of customisations... so i liked to get rid of this navbar! Can't count how often i hit HOME instead of spaceon the virt keyboard.
i planned to enable pie on the bottom border left side.
Now i have trouble getting rid of the navbar. In the Past pacman had customisation oints for AOKP, paranoid settings now there's only PAC settings. After Googling i can't find these settings (maybe because these posts where from jan-jun and an earlier pacman version)
ROM control > navigation bar > menu location > don't show
Hybrid Properties --> Interface, under Workspace drag the slider for "Navigation Bar Size" to 0%
installed build: pac_tenderloin-userdebug4.4.4KTU84Qeng.shumash.20141201.130846 test-keys
Can someone point me to the correct settingspage or give me a hint?
Do i have to wait for a newer release?
Thanks a lot and keep up the good work, you've gained a follower for this ROM

[Guide]Android System/OS Battery Drain FIX

After Installing Custom Mods and rooting on Oxygen OS I was experiencing a Android System battery Drain .
Also in custom Roms based On OOS I also had the same problem.
I was draining 35-40 percentage of my battery in a charge cycle.
I searched alot past 2-3 days on my phone to see which process is causing this Drain problem.
I found many but stoping them didn't fix it .
Finally today when I found that after SuperSU was installed
It was causing the Drain so I found a fix for this
Fix for all Roms having this problem
-Go to SuperSU app
-Settings menu
-Enable trust system User
-and enable grant permission during boot
-Then put the phone on flight mode and wait for it to cool down.
If this doesn't work
-Try setting default access to grant
-Enable MultiUser access
Hit the thanks button if this helps
Also tell me if this helps in the comments
Remember to follow all steps
Original Post here
https://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=71082541&postcount=72

Testing ... I post the result at the end of the cycle.

Doesn't work still battery drain and phone always warm
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@Nishidh
Thanks for sharing but both solutions are security risk. Maybe Magisk is solution till SuperSu is fixed (hoping that it IS the culprit).

DrunkenDragon said:
Doesn't work still battery drain and phone always warm
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Try to delete all of the mkv files. That helps for me. No battery drain at all

i would say "kindda" help. cause still android system drains. but, a bit less then before. i would like to see some more days.

I switched to Magisk and drain is still there so reason is something else seemingly. It has something to do with FW/Modem. We all need to deluge OnePlus with requests to fix this mess.

Helps me
My current battery cycle

For me clearing the Google Play Services database solved the battery drain.
Apps,
Google play services
Storage
Manage Space
Clear all data
I then remained on that screen and restarted the phone into recovery without returning to the launcher.
In recovery clear cache only.
Reboot
Since then I have had no problems at all (though I am running complete stock no root)
No data is lost but you will have to add cards to android pay and set a couple of other items when prompted (like default backup account etc).
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I mean no disrespect to the OP when posting this..
Isn't setting default root access to "grant" a crazy big security risk? Potentially malicious apps could reboot recovery in the middle of the night, flash some REAL spyware and feed back all your passwords without you knowing and could compromise your online accounts, still have to be installed first or some exploit would have to be found, but it just seems the risks outweigh the benefits.
Are you sure it's not another app you've consistently installed? F2fs? Clean installs + factory resets? Checked your signal strength lately? Wi-Fi + Bluetooth scanning? Facebook/whatsapp/etc installed? Google location history? Different versions of twrp? Titanium backups? Uncheck the the option in android settings to Backup and restore android apps? Installed several versions of older supersu?[ R4, r3, r2, r1, r2d2?]Franco kernel? [HIGHLY RECOMMEND. All the other kernels I've tried leave my device pretty warm, but franco keeps it cool), or Anoint your phone with luxurious oils, passionately bathe it and whisper sweet things into its microphone? [References here->
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I just wanted to make my thoughts known, some newer users to root might come by, try and follow these steps hoping for SOT gains, and needlessly compromise their phone in the process.
If you persist in believing cf supersu is the root cause (that's a knee slapper!!) I think trying another supersu might be a better way to go than ticking all those options. Say like, phh's or CWM.
Again, I mean no disrespect to the OP. Just my thoughts.

Forget about SuperSU, You guys have no idea what causes the andriod OS drain after flashing.... So stop blaming kernel, SuperSU, gplay services etc.. The answer is out there in forums.. Feel free to browse and search for it...

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Forget about SuperSU, You guys have no idea what causes the andriod OS drain after flashing.... So stop blaming kernel, SuperSU, gplay services etc.. The answer is out there in forums.. Feel free to browse and search for it...
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I saw you also sprayed ppl with their own bs on Blu spark thread. All i can say is I roam those forums a lot myself but haven't come across a clear stating about these issues (apart from the SELinux shenanigans). So what about you flood us with your great wisdom instead big boy?

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I saw you also sprayed ppl with their own bs on Blu spark thread. All i can say is I roam those forums a lot myself but haven't come across a clear stating about these issues (apart from the SELinux shenanigans). So what about you flood us with your great wisdom instead big boy?
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Here you go:
Apparently you claim that you roam this forums and yet you didn't find the answer. Interesting claims.
Anyways here is your answer since even you didmt even fi d answer after roaming..
https://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=3034811&page=5
Read it carefully though.. Explains why andriod OS drain battery more in first days (Not cycles) after flashing rom.. More apps, more the drain..
Tl;Dr for lazy people out there... Andriod os drain is present because Google itself has changed how andriod works..
On side note, I don't spread bs.. I just put my observations. It is upto people to fix it and accept the truth or get emo over it..

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Here you go:
Apparently you claim that you roam this forums and yet you didn't find the answer. Interesting claims.
Anyways here is your answer since even you didmt even fi d answer after roaming..
https://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=3034811&page=5
Read it carefully though.. Explains why andriod OS drain battery more in first days (Not cycles) after flashing rom.. More apps, more the drain..
Tl;Dr for lazy people out there... Andriod os drain is present because Google itself has changed how andriod works..
On side note, I don't spread bs.. I just put my observations. It is upto people to fix it and accept the truth or get emo over it..
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I read this post from Rovo long ago, and I of course was taking about abnormal drains they were occurring long after reinstalls or new ROM flashes. It's well known, the rebuilding of caches etc.. Anyone complaining before this incompressible period should be treated like you do. Also, still thanx for minding sharing something at least and on a SECOND side note, read again, I never said you spread bs, pretty much the other way around, i was just suggesting you enlighten us instead of "spraying people with their own bs" like for example, on the Blu spark thread where I know you were putting whiners back in place. Cheers.

I am using magisk, so what about me?

Need help solving an issue, play store misbehaving on my SM-T810

Hello, I hope I can post this here.. i tried, i searched... can't find any solution to my issue.
Model : SM-T810 , with Samsung 128GB UHS microSD. OS : stock Nougat from Samsung.
Here is the problem :
On the play store, if there are pending updates, they only install one at a time, and then it won't do more. Like if there is 5 pending updates, it will maybe do one, and then the other 4 stay pending. It might only do the download portion of the first one and not go to the install phase. If there's no pending updates, and i try to install an app, only the downloading portion of the process shows up, it stops after that, it doesn't go to installing. I have to close the store and go back in for it to install, but if there's a queue of downloads (updates or asked to install multiple apps), I have to close the store for the same amount of apps in the queue for them to install one by one. Now I noticed that every once and a while, 2 or 3 will have updated overnight but that's it!
I closed the process, I cleared the cache, I cleared the data, I cleared the download manager's data and cache, i rebooted, i forced a wrong date and time then set it to auto-date and time to retry, etc.... I uninstalled the Play Store updates, nothing worked!!!
The next step was to do a factory reset. I did not want to lose some progress on some games, AND I have an app to read PDF files and did not want to lose read/unread status of my files...
So I used Odin to flash TWRP, did a backup, rooted, used Titanium Backup to backup my apps.
Then I did factory reset. Store behaved normally again! Installed a few apps, waited a few hours, still good. Did a restore of my apps from titanium backup, everything seemed fine, then a few hours later, store still was not updating or installing the apps right...
Did another factory reset, store worked fine, only restored a couple of backed up apps (the critical ones that i wanted to keep the saves from), everything worked fine. Over the course of 24 hrs, i re-installed a bunch of my regular apps via the play store. Play store worked fine. I did to another Nandroid backup with TWRP just in case.
Then all of a sudden, it started to lag a bit between clicking install, to downloading, to installing. And then a few hours later, issue completely came back, store won't install without me closing it between the download finish and install.
Now one of the last steps I did before it started acting up again was moving ONE app to the SD card (not using any root features). I'm not sure if that caused the issue to come back.
I did notice that Android left a bunch of files on my SD card, some Android folder, with a bunch of subfolders.
I'm wondering if the SD card could be the culprit... I will do one last restore from my last working Nandroid backup and not move anything to the SD card.
If it comes up again, i think i will move the data that i have on my SD card that I dont want to loose (my PDF, pictures, etc.) on to my NAS, and do a factory reset without the SD card installed. Maybe even re-flash with Samsung Kies... and forget about my Titanium Backup saves...
It's my last resort so I was hoping anyone would have any idea on what else to try before doing that?
One last point : yes the stores kinda slows down at some point where the download process takes a few seconds to kick in, and then a few seconds to installing, up to the point where it never does. BUT the rest of my tablet still is really fast, no slow downs anywhere else... All apps launch fast
Thanks!

Auto updates are bad. They just kill the performance of your s2.. better do such things manually.

Niii4 said:
Auto updates are bad. They just kill the performance of your s2.. better do such things manually.
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Auto updates of the apps? Or the OS?
Apps i can see... but still... If I turn that off, that solves the issue of the auto-updates. But then if I want to update a bunch, they will only do one by one, i have to close the store and open again after each updated app.
But even with app auto-updates, if i want to install one new app on my S2, it will only download, but not install, i have to close the store and open it again for it to install. Then the next time that I want to install an app, I have to do the same thing again, close and open. It's like the download manager doesn't tell the Play Store app to do the install (or tell whatever app or service to install the APK...)

Niii4 said:
Auto updates are bad. They just kill the performance of your s2.. better do such things manually.
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What a bunch of nonsense. Please stop spreading misinformation.
@stefer09 A logcat reader may help you determine the cause of the issue.

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fonetyk said:
What a bunch of nonsense. Please stop spreading misinformation.
@stefer09 A logcat reader may help you determine the cause of the issue.
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Thanks, that's new for me, I'll read into it!

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Thanks, that's new for me, I'll read into it!
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I am having the same issue on my sm-t810 as well hope you find a solution and post it.

Tabpro8.4 said:
I am having the same issue on my sm-t810 as well hope you find a solution and post it.
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After more research i've seen other people on other devices with same issue... no answer or solution in sight
if i find something ill come back here for sure

I had an OTA update last night to NRD90M.T810XXU2DQCL and the play store is working better now but it is still slow to update.

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I had an OTA update last night to NRD90M.T810XXU2DQCL and the play store is working better now but it is still slow to update.
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Thanks for the info.
I would check for OTA update but since i rooted mine, it won't do them...
I'd have to flash the stock rom from samsung again and loose my saved data... which right now i might be OK living without...
Anyone knows if I loose TWRP if i flash a stock rom with odin ? If so... am i better using Kies?

Fair, let's recap: you do not use stock rom. You have root, twrp, flashed this and that and a morbid desire to have always the very lastest version of whatever the app. And now the Play store doesn't work properly anymore.. d
Do you see the pattern?
But, hey, maybe you need even more *lates updates* to fix your issue.
Updates = bad performance and new issues in general. Period.

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Fair, let's recap: you do not use stock rom. You have root, twrp, flashed this and that and a morbid desire to have always the very lastest version of whatever the app. And now the Play store doesn't work properly anymore.. d
Do you see the pattern?
But, hey, maybe you need even more *lates updates* to fix your issue.
Updates = bad performance and new issues in general. Period.
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Wooooh, DON'T jump to conclusions here.
I was running the STOCK out of the box Android for the S2, no root, no TWRP. The issue started after one year of usage, and not only included updating apps but installing FRESH NEW ONES TOO.
The "flash this and that" came AFTER i ran into issues.
I also have a Note 5 supplied from work and for that reason I'm still runing stock, not rooted, and never will root it. I have over 100 apps on there, 5 email accounts (2 professionnal, 3 personnal), multiple google calendars, multiple outlook calendars, auto-update is on, it's been over a year and a half, if not more, and never ran into this kind of issue, ever! It's synced with my CPAP, my smart watch, and my headphones. And it's still goes the same speed and gives me the same performance as when i took it out of the box.
My tab S2 is my second Android tablet, before I had a Tab 3 that never gave me issues like that either, and always had auto-updates on.
Sometimes you need updates. Some online services might not work right or at all if you don't have the app that matches the features, like evernote, facebook, onedrive, dropbox, etc...
Or you get new hardware that requires an update.
Yes sometimes they include bugs ... which are fixed in a later version.

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Fair, let's recap: you do not use stock rom. You have root, twrp, flashed this and that and a morbid desire to have always the very lastest version of whatever the app. And now the Play store doesn't work properly anymore.. d
Do you see the pattern?
But, hey, maybe you need even more *lates updates* to fix your issue.
Updates = bad performance and new issues in general. Period.
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In my case I do have stock rom and have had issues with play store since update to Nought. It does seem better since last night's OTA update.

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In my case I do have stock rom and have had issues with play store since update to Nought. It does seem better since last night's OTA update.
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I saw multiple posts of people having different phones running stock having this exact issue for a while with no solution in view. I think it has to do with Nougat too... But my Note 5 is on Nougat and no issue... it might be brought on with specific services or apps running while on Nougat.

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In my case I do have stock rom and have had issues with play store since update to Nought. It does seem better since last night's OTA update.
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Thanks for letting me know about the OTA update. Since i was rooted, i can't get OTA updates, would have needed to wait for the 7.1 Rom to flash...
I ended up taking screenshots of the stuff i didnt want to loose (read/unread status of my pdf files, nevermind the save games) and then i used Samsung Smart Switch to reflash the whole thing back to strictly stock, lastest firmware. So far so good, crossing fingers

I*was*running the STOCK out of the box Android for the S2, no root, no TWRP. The issue started after one year of usage,
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Fair. So in this *year of usage* you never ever updated the OS?
And auto-update was of course *off*, right?
If that's the case, then clearly there must be some other issue with your s2.
Otherwise, you have merely confirmed what I have told in the very beginning: updates = bad performance and new issues in general. Period.
By the by, apps like evernote and facebook track and spy on you.
About your Note 5, maybe there weren't so many updates..

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Fair. So in this *year of usage* you never ever updated the OS?
And auto-update was of course *off*, right?
If that's the case, then clearly there must be some other issue with your s2.
Otherwise, you have merely confirmed what I have told in the very beginning: updates = bad performance and new issues in general. Period.
By the by, apps like evernote and facebook track and spy on you.
About your Note 5, maybe there weren't so many updates..
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Yes in that year of usage I upgraded the OS from 5 to 6 to 7. Yes auto-update was on, for Android and for my apps. By stock rom i meant nothing flashed "this and that" like you said.
If you would read my other comments, you'd also realize that another member helped me more by letting me know there was an OTA update that helped him. I reflashed my S2 with Samsung Smart Switch and haven't had any issue with the Play Store since... that proves that updates do fix issues.
There's no OS versions, app versions, firmware versions on any devices that don't have any issues whatsoever. Updates might bring bugs but they also fix the ones from previous versions. If you think that anything stock out of the box never have any issues whatsoever, you're wrong.
Apps like evernote and facebook spy and track you? Really? And you're on a forum for Android based product and don't think that Google tracks what you do? If you dont sign in with your google account and only browse the web with your tablet, that's your business, but you can't go on forums and admonish people for doing otherwise.
Besides, this is a forum where a good part of the posts are about custom roms, flashing different boot/recovery loaders, different kernels, unlocking phones... and you're judging me because i do app updates, and flash "this and that" ?
Come on...

No judging here. Just pointed out the probem at hand.
You did update the OS at least twice.. see?
OEM updates = bad in general.
Sure, new updates fix what *previous updates* screwed up to begin with; sometimes.
I totally agree that there is no OS version that is 100% issue free, but -- why trying to fix something that seems to work?
You see, that is my whole point.
I told you about evernote and facebook because you mentioned to have them on your Note 5 which happens to be your professional work phone?!
Just be aware that Evernote steals content just like the FB messenger. And I mean literally. Your creative ideas become their property. You did agree to their terms! FB also records the mic(s) 24/7.
Certainly Google tracks and spies as well. Then again, you can deactivate or block (firewall) those services/apps.
Just remember, things that are *free* come with a price.

Niii4, I tried to subtely pass the message that I did not want any of your help when I said that SOMEONE ELSE helped me with their input and update.
I didn't say that I was using evernote and facebook on my Note 5 from work. Jumping to conclusions again.
You want to know what are the biggest secrets in my Evernote notes ??? RECIPES!!!!!
Oh no... they can read the oh so secret lemon crinkle cookies recipe that is available with a quick online search! Here's the link btw : http://www.laurenslatest.com/lemon-crinkle-cookies/
I came here after trying a lot of troubleshooting steps, when everything that I've tried failed. And someone else helped me.
All you brought to the table was misinformation about updates in general and spread paranoia on who is spying on who.
fonetyk asked you to stop that, and I asked you to stop that. So far my issue has been resolved and i'm thankful to the user Tabpro8.4 for his comment.
Please, please leave my thread.

First and foremost, this is a forum and thus other users that may encounter similar or the exact same problem(s) will seek to comprehend the whole issue at hand and not just one side of a problem.
Oh yeah, an OTA update seemed to have fixed it. Seemed.. for now.
Second, this is not exclusively about *helping you*. Apparently you are quite knowledge resistant, especially when facts are being stated that don't conform your general view.
True, you only have hundreds of apps on your work phone. But definitely not FB messenger or whatnot. Whatever. What's right is right, and what's fair is fair.
I suppose, you are probably right, the work you do must be of no interest for anybody in this world; at all. Same for your private life. Now, be a neat little sheep and go on chewing the green.. (while we are watching you).
Oh, and you stalking all my comments, telling people to ignore me is hilarious. Keep up the great whine. ?

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First and foremost, this is a forum and thus other users that may encounter similiar or the exact same problem(s) will seek to comprehend the whole issue at hand and not just one side of a problem.
Oh yeah, an OTA update seemed to have fixed it. Seemed.. for now.
Second, this is not exclusively about *helping you*. Apparently you are quite knowledge resistant, especially when facts are being stated that don't conform your general view.
True, you only have hundreds of apps on your work phone. But definitely not FB messenger or whatnot. Whatever. What's right is right, and what's fair is fair.
I suppose, you are probably right, the work you do must be of no interest for anybody in this world; at all. Same for your private life. Now, be a neat little sheep and go on chewing the green.. (while we are watching you).
Oh, and you stalking all my comments, telling people to ignore me is hilarious. Keep up the great whine.
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Lol... knowledge resistant. Thats cute.
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Stalking your comments... ah! Maybe you got that dead pixel from trying to plug your bluray player on your tablet. Seriously clueless or just trolling...
My issue is resolved so im unsubbing from this thread.
Bye bye :good: