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Hello,
I am looking for a dual sim adapter that I can use with my 3UK sim for HSDPA/3G data access and my Vodafone sim for texts and voice calls.
I do not mind cutting up my SIMs or having to restart my phone to switch between sims. I have heard that the "Simore Gold 1" sim works, but 70€ is too far out of my price range!
If anyone has any recommendations or experiences with dual sim adapters on the Diamond, that would be great
Many Thanks,
T
track1cs said:
Hello,
I am looking for a dual sim adapter that I can use with my 3UK sim for HSDPA/3G data access and my Vodafone sim for texts and voice calls.
I do not mind cutting up my SIMs or having to restart my phone to switch between sims. I have heard that the "Simore Gold 1" sim works, but 70€ is too far out of my price range!
If anyone has any recommendations or experiences with dual sim adapters on the Diamond, that would be great
Many Thanks,
T
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Dude i think you should try this........it can store around 6 sim infos.....plus the best part is that u neednt restart ur phone everytime u wanna change the sim.......and it costs only 7.83 us $ and the shipping is free.......
chk out this link
http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.12448
teejayenator said:
Dude i think you should try this........it can store around 6 sim infos.....plus the best part is that u neednt restart ur phone everytime u wanna change the sim.......and it costs only 7.83 us $ and the shipping is free.......
chk out this link
http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.12448
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Have you tried this already in your HTC Diamond? I'm curious if this will work there...
teejayenator said:
Dude i think you should try this........it can store around 6 sim infos.....plus the best part is that u neednt restart ur phone everytime u wanna change the sim.......and it costs only 7.83 us $ and the shipping is free.......
chk out this link
http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.12448
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Do you have this card working? How do you change SIMs within the Phone application on Win Mobile 6.1?
That is a SIM cloner, which works only (I believe) with v1 sim cards (I have one myself). These went out of usage many years ago. There is no way to clone modern cards yet reported in the wild. Worse using SIM cloning software on a modern sim card may break your sim.
I don't have the information to hand, but it is out there. These SIM cloning kits are not a solution for modern, data enabled, SIM cards.
I've been closely following dual sim options since the release of tytn. I've bought many, and not had any work to my satisfaction. The only option that I have heard positively reported, for phone and data, is the simore gold.
I wouldn't! )
Just offering my humble opinion. I looked into the possibility of sim cloning some months ago as I have two sim cards and it would have been nice to be able to use both of them without going through the hassle of rebooting every time you want to switch.
I searched and searched for hours and found plenty of information (on XDA and other websites) and although I don't remember all of the technical details, it isn't possible at the moment unless you want to risk breaking your sim card (which sounds very likely from what I read).
I'm not sure what sim cards are used in India. I do know that the v1 sim cards can be cloned but (as mentioned in the previous post) they are pretty much out of use and have been for some time, so I would think that it is unlikely that you have a v1 sim card.
You can check out the articles here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SIM_cloning and here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sim_card.
The first article says at the top of the page that it needs some clarification but it does discuss the sim cloning scene in The Bourne Supremacy (referring to an earlier post in this thread) and how long it would have actually taken if it were possible; 4-8 hours to extract the Ki and some knowledge needed of the SIM card's PIN (CHV1). (Citation needed for italicized text.)
It also mentions a 40% chance of damaging the card. Sorry, but those odds are a little too high for me!
The second article is a bit long and technical but might be helpful to you. (I started to get a headache about halfway through it! ROFL)
I'm seriously considering the Simore Black 1 (v6). Can anyone confirm that 3G/HSDPA data and "3UK" sims work with this adapter?
Thanks
track1cs said:
I'm seriously considering the Simore Black 1 (v6). Can anyone confirm that 3G/HSDPA data and "3UK" sims work with this adapter?
Thanks
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Wow, that's really expensive! Have you looked at this? http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Dual-Twin-Sim-card-Holder-Adapter-Interface-Ghost-UK_W0QQitemZ280289223146QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_MobilePhones_MobilePhoneAccessories_MobilePhoneBatteries?hash=item280289223146&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1300|66%3A2|65%3A12|39%3A1|240%3A1318
I know I'm a newbie and might have gotten it wrong but the description says that it will take two sim cards and is 3G supported. You also don't have to switch your phone off in order to change sims.
DOH! Just checked your post again. This one is NOT supported on the 3 network. I'll go ahead and post this anyway just in case someone is looking for a dual sim card and doesn't need 3 network support.
I appreciate the help
missbizzylizzy said:
Wow, that's really expensive! Have you looked at this? http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Dual-Twin-Sim-card-Holder-Adapter-Interface-Ghost-UK_W0QQitemZ280289223146QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_MobilePhones_MobilePhoneAccessories_MobilePhoneBatteries?hash=item280289223146&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1300|66%3A2|65%3A12|39%3A1|240%3A1318
I know I'm a newbie and might have gotten it wrong but the description says that it will take two sim cards and is 3G supported. You also don't have to switch your phone off in order to change sims.
DOH! Just checked your post again. This one is NOT supported on the 3 network. I'll go ahead and post this anyway just in case someone is looking for a dual sim card and doesn't need 3 network support.
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When looking at these type of devices you need to consider very carefully what you consider "compatible".
Advertisers may consider the ability to make 2G phone calls as compatible. These devices may not allow 3G calls, or data.
I'm toying with a simore gold, because it will be worth it if it works with 3G and data. I'd like some more anecdotal evidence that it does before I commit, at that price, though.
I'm done with buying cheap dual sim adaptors. I've got a desk draw full of them that are unsuitable for my needs.
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When looking at these type of devices you need to consider very carefully what you consider "compatible".
Advertisers may consider the ability to make 2G phone calls as compatible. These devices may not allow 3G calls, or data.
I'm toying with a simore gold, because it will be worth it if it works with 3G and data. I'd like some more anecdotal evidence that it does before I commit, at that price, though.
I'm done with buying cheap dual sim adaptors. I've got a desk draw full of them that are unsuitable for my needs.
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Ah, I see. Point taken. It's probably best to avoid a newbie's advice! LOL I haven't actually used one in a while but will definitely consider carefully before I buy another one.
Hi all! Just a contribution from me: I bought from ebay a Magic Sim 20th dual sim. In other phones works but in Htc Diamond only sim1 is recognised.....Does the analog ones really works? And if so, where do i buy it? Thanks!
I'll be waiting too for those who had an experience of using a working dual sim adapter on their diamond. I hope those who tried simore gold will share their comments.
hi,
will my euro galaxy s work in japan (where I am going on vacation)?
Thanks,
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It will work (roaming) but it probably will not work with a japanese sim card
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Like zombrex said.
It will work, but I had problems calling and receiving calls from japanese cell phones. Apart from that everything worked for me.
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3rd confirmation. I could use roaming in Japan. The European model is identical to the international model.
Just got back from holidaying in Japan. I can confirm that the Galaxy was fine there although I didnt make any calls (expensive!), mostly used data services to retrieve and send emails using UK sim card. Used wi-fi points and skype/tango where possible.
Thank you guys for the info, I'm glad my beloved galaxy will work in
Japan.
Are prepaid data or/and voice sim cards available in .jp to avoid
horrendous roaming charges?
What is the wifi hotspot situation in hotels and cities in general? Are
they mostly free?
I think there are no prepaid cards in japan like you know them.
Can't remember using free wifi hotspots except in the hotel. But once there was a free hotspot in a club. That was the only one i found^^
Hi !
I have the same kind of question.
I will go in Japan for 1 year, and as I saw that they sell Galaxy S in Japan, I was wondering if I could use my Galaxy S with a Japanese Sim card.
Do I need a Japanese rom ? Or any configuration ?
Thanks
Up !
No one can help me ?
If your phone is unlocked you'll be able to use a japanese sim
it wordks,japan user the different sim card size(smaller),you can buy the sim card cover to fix it.
Thank you DrFredPhD and eim886 !
The Rom doesn't matter ?
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it wordks,japan user the different sim card size(smaller),you can buy the sim card cover to fix it.
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I looked for a sim card cover, but I only found a sim card adapter for micro-sim.
Where could I find a sim card adapter to use a japanese sim card on my phone ?
EDIT :
I found there is only 3 sizes for sim card : standard, mini-sim, and micro-sim.
But which one is used in Japan ?
hey trynium, did you find an answer to your question?
I have a North American version (Canada Bell) i9000 and really don't want to buy a new phone when I have a perfectly good one right here. Would the sim adapter work? Which network did you use and how did you go about it?
I was wondering if the North American version phone can run on Japan's network... if anybody out there could help, it'd be much appreciated
immopengu said:
hey trynium, did you find an answer to your question?
I have a North American version (Canada Bell) i9000 and really don't want to buy a new phone when I have a perfectly good one right here. Would the sim adapter work? Which network did you use and how did you go about it?
I was wondering if the North American version phone can run on Japan's network... if anybody out there could help, it'd be much appreciated
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I went in Japan later than I expected.
I took a prepaid phone, so I could not really test with my SGS (no internet connection, lot of restrictions... for prepaid phone).
But the good point was that the sim card was a standard one. So sim adapter seems useless in this case.
The harder in Japan, is to buy a sim card without a phone. From what I know, there is not much problem than that !
By the way, sorry for the (very) late answer...
Hi!
I'm planning to buy a customized Moto X unlocked GSM edition but I'm wondering if it'll work outside the US.
At Moto they don't know as "they haven't tried it". And is confusing as it says on their website that is GSM unlocked but comes with a t-mobile sim card, so it's unlocked to work with t-mobile and at&t only or also open to other compatible GSM networks around the world? Has anyone had the chance to try it?
aricris said:
Hi!
I'm planning to buy a customized Moto X unlocked GSM edition but I'm wondering if it'll work outside the US.
At Moto they don't know as "they haven't tried it". And is confusing as it says on their website that is GSM unlocked but comes with a t-mobile sim card, so it's unlocked to work with t-mobile and at&t only or also open to other compatible GSM networks around the world? Has anyone had the chance to try it?
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Most phones shipped these days support most 2g/3g bands to support international roaming features. Say you're going to Europe, i wouldn't count on you getting anywhere near LTE speeds or even 4g speeds because there networks aren't that developed yet, put in simple terms, but there's a good chance that you can still get a supported 2g/3g connection, does that make sense? I would take it with me if i were you, no harm in that right?
moto x in Belgium
I got my T-mobile Moto X shipped to Belgium, it works on the local GSM networks.
joemon871 said:
Most phones shipped these days support most 2g/3g bands to support international roaming features. Say you're going to Europe, i wouldn't count on you getting anywhere near LTE speeds or even 4g speeds because there networks aren't that developed yet, put in simple terms, but there's a good chance that you can still get a supported 2g/3g connection, does that make sense? I would take it with me if i were you, no harm in that right?
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We have 4G in our little East-European country, Romania (probably you never heard of it)
TheSaw said:
We have 4G in our little East-European country, Romania (probably you never heard of it)
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I heard of it What you can do is find out what network bands your cellphone company back in Romania uses and see if your phone supports it. There's a good chance your phone will support one of their bands though
joemon871 said:
I heard of it What you can do is find out what network bands your cellphone company back in Romania uses and see if your phone supports it. There's a good chance your phone will support one of their bands though
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They support it for 2G/3G, but not above. The bands are different for LTE.
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They support it for 2G/3G, but not above. The bands are different for LTE.
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Yup exactly as i predicted first post but hey good news is at least you'll be able to use the phone. Use WiFi for your internet needs
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Yup exactly as i predicted first post but hey good news is at least you'll be able to use the phone. Use WiFi for your internet needs
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3G is fast enough. As the 4G network is not fully developed (no full country coverage), and the prices are still high, I don't think it's really worth stressing too much about it. I ordered myself a MotoX from the states with a non-compatible LTE hardware just now. I know that I won't use that technology in a comfortable way anyways for the next 2 years. For my personal needs, 3G+ is more than enough.
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3G is fast enough. As the 4G network is not fully developed (no full country coverage), and the prices are still high, I don't think it's really worth stressing too much about it. I ordered myself a MotoX from the states with a non-compatible LTE hardware just now. I know that I won't use that technology in a comfortable way anyways for the next 2 years. For my personal needs, 3G+ is more than enough.
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Ya don't worry about it too much because it sounds like you're a casual user, mainly for emails and such I'm guessing? But anyways Lte speeds are really going to take off in the next couple years so you'll be in for a treat when you get back Happy Journey!
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joemon871 said:
Ya don't worry about it too much because it sounds like you're a casual user, mainly for emails and such I'm guessing? But anyways Lte speeds are really going to take off in the next couple years so you'll be in for a treat when you get back Happy Journey!
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Well I could say casual user, I guess, but I use mostly wifi wherever I spend more time. Home, work, friends place, all have good wifi, so when I'm out, I switch to 3G, and in that time I don't really need super fast speeds.
Thanks.
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We have 4G in our little East-European country, Romania (probably you never heard of it)
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Romania?? of course I have!! have u heard about Ecuador? haha
At high school we studied most countries name around the world =) not as in...u may know where
And thanks!! means that it's really unlocked
joemon871 said:
Most phones shipped these days support most 2g/3g bands to support international roaming features. Say you're going to Europe, i wouldn't count on you getting anywhere near LTE speeds or even 4g speeds because there networks aren't that developed yet, put in simple terms, but there's a good chance that you can still get a supported 2g/3g connection, does that make sense? I would take it with me if i were you, no harm in that right?
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Makes sense and the harm is like $430 haha and then the time n money to unlock it. But now anymore by knowing that some people had try it outside the US .
My worry was about if it's really unlocked as I'm buying it to use it in Ecuador most of the time. And when u buy it, it says that they give u a t-mobile sim card so that's confusing.
Bought it yesterday
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Makes sense and the harm is like $430 haha and then the time n money to unlock it. But now anymore by knowing that some people had try it outside the US .
My worry was about if it's really unlocked as I'm buying it to use it in Ecuador most of the time. And when u buy it, it says that they give u a t-mobile sim card so that's confusing.
Bought it yesterday
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Haha guess you'll have to find out yourself eh? let us know if it works
Works outside the us!
If you want it...buy it because it works!! The NO CONTRACT MOTO X is fully unlocked!!
Comes with a t-mobile nano card but that's no problem...I guess if that I need it at the US someday, I will have to activate it.
ASUS has just announced that it’s bringing the affordable ZenFone 2 Laser to the United States starting today. First announced back in early August 2015, this new device features similar specs to those of the ZenFone 2 proper, and comes with a few additional features.
It sports a 5.5-inch IPS LCD display with 1920 x 1080 resolution and Gorilla Glass 4, an octa-core Qualcomm Snapdragon 615 processor, 16 or 32GB of on-board storage, microSD expansion up to 128GB and a removable 3000mAh battery. Unlike the ZenFone 2 which features different amounts of RAM for each storage variant, the ZenFone 2 Laser comes with 3GB of RAM no matter which variant you choose. It also features a 5MP front-facing camera and a 13MP rear camera with laser autofocus. There’s no quick charging capabilities on this new device, and both of its Micro SIM card slots now support 4G LTE connectivity.
The U.S. variant of the ZenFone 2 Laser with 16GB of storage will be available starting today from the ASUS Store, Amazon, Newegg and B&H for $199, with the 32GB model going for $249.
Model 551KL. The international version of zenfone2 laser is model 550KL, which has 720p screen.
The octacore snap dragon makes this very tempting but no fast charge... Home on asus
Love the dual active dual LTE on both sims.. That is what a true dual sim phone is about. Does it have NFC?
No quick charge though as the previous poster stated. Like the processor is a Qualcomm, but the 600 series..???
Looked for it on Asus store and Amazon not available..... ???????
It looks like LTE is not dual-active. "Note
IMPORTANT: Both micro SIM card slots support 3G
WCDMA/ 4G LTE network band. But only one micro
SIM card can connect to 3G WCDMA/ 4G LTE service
at a time."
Also no LTE band 12 if you're on Tmo in the US
https://www.asus.com/Phone/ZenFone-2-Laser-ZE551KL/specifications/
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It looks like LTE is not dual-active. "Note
IMPORTANT: Both micro SIM card slots support 3G
WCDMA/ 4G LTE network band. But only one micro
SIM card can connect to 3G WCDMA/ 4G LTE service
at a time."
Also no LTE band 12 if you're on Tmo in the US
https://www.asus.com/Phone/ZenFone-2-Laser-ZE551KL/specifications/
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Any dual sim phone that has LTE on both sims can only access LTE data one sim at a time. But I get what you are saying, does this also mean they software blocked it to only get 4G on one sim at a time even with voice/text? If so that is a very odd and strange thing to do.
What I noticed in the specs though it says in their "brochure" that it is dual active dual sim LTE
but when you read the specs it says secondary sim : 2G/3G so which is it? Is it up to 4G LTE on both sims or not.
Dual micro-SIM
- Primary SIM - 2G/3G/4G
- Secondary SIM - 2G/3G
This will still work on Tmobile. I have a zenfone 2 and it connects to Tmobile either through bands 2 or 4.
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Looked for it on Asus store and Amazon not available..... ???????
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http://www.amazon.com/ZenFone-Laser...e=UTF8&qid=1446504600&sr=8-2&keywords=ZE551KL
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http://www.amazon.com/ZenFone-Laser...e=UTF8&qid=1446504600&sr=8-2&keywords=ZE551KL
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Yes and it states it is out of stock for both models.
Both sims support LTE. LTE data connectivity is switchable via the settings panel.
Tuanies said:
Both sims support LTE. LTE data connectivity is switchable via the settings panel.
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Very confused because another Asus rep on your own website stated that only 1 sim can run LTE which is a contradiction to what you are saying in your advertisement and what you are saying in your post as both sims run LTE. He said the following:
"Hey there – great question! The specs do say 2G/3G for the 2nd SIM because when both SIMs are being used, and the 1st SIM is used for LTE, hardware limitations set the 2nd SIM to only 3G – meaning LTE can’t run concurrently. "
I'm not understanding how this would be a hardware issue since dual active runs with 2 separate modems, therefore LTE should be available for voice/text on both sims at all times. Data however can only be on 1 sim at a time. But he is saying only 1 sim can operate as LTE and the other is 2/3G for voice/text. This seems more like a firmware issue that is blocking 4G LTE on the other sim not a hardware issue.
I'm very much looking at this phone to ditch my Zenfone 2 due to it's poor performance with the sim2 being on 2G. So would really like to have some clarification on this.
Also noticed no quick charge and no NFC on this model. I can possibly understand the quick charge, but really no NFC. NFC cost so very little anymore, I am not really seeing a reason for leaving this out. Just raise the price of the phone the $1.00 it cost.
It seems Asus almost gets there but then either leaves things out or uses bad hardware under the guise of "pricing". Putting a quick charge and NFC would have raised the phone pricing minimal and I would gladly pay another $20-30 for this. Additionally since you are coming out with this the other rep wouldn't state whether or not it would get an upgrade to M when released. You guys really need to do much much better in this area.
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Yes and it states it is out of stock for both models.
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Newegg has both models in stock in Silver.
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Very confused because another Asus rep on your own website stated that only 1 sim can run LTE which is a contradiction to what you are saying in your advertisement and what you are saying in your post as both sims run LTE. He said the following:
"Hey there – great question! The specs do say 2G/3G for the 2nd SIM because when both SIMs are being used, and the 1st SIM is used for LTE, hardware limitations set the 2nd SIM to only 3G – meaning LTE can’t run concurrently. "
I'm not understanding how this would be a hardware issue since dual active runs with 2 separate modems, therefore LTE should be available for voice/text on both sims at all times. Data however can only be on 1 sim at a time. But he is saying only 1 sim can operate as LTE and the other is 2/3G for voice/text. This seems more like a firmware issue that is blocking 4G LTE on the other sim not a hardware issue.
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LTE is data only, and as this is an unlocked device, it is not compatible with TMO/AT&T VoLTE. Therefore, all calls/texts will ride on 2G EDGE or 3G HSPA+ networks no matter what. So no point in having dual active LTE, as it just serves to eat up more battery life.
Most other phones tend to have 1 slot that can do 2G/3G/4G and a second slot for 2G/3G only, which means if you want to use SIM2 on 4G, you have to power off the phone and switch the SIM cards around physically. On the ZE551KL, both slots are 2G/3G/4G compatible, and 2G/3G remains active on both at all times, while the 4G data connection is switchable via Android software. No need to turn off and move SIMs around to change which one you want to use for your data connection.
Whenever an application starts a data session (opening a web browser, email auto-sync, etc), the application asks Android for details regarding the connection. Since this is a dual-SIM device, you can select which SIM card you want the data connection to occur on in the dual-SIM settings. If there was no option, Android might randomly select a SIM that has a small data plan and eat up your data usage.
Sucks that there's no Band 12, but all the other radio decisions they've made sound right.
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Newegg has both models in stock in Silver.
LTE is data only, and as this is an unlocked device, it is not compatible with TMO/AT&T VoLTE. Therefore, all calls/texts will ride on 2G EDGE or 3G HSPA+ networks no matter what. So no point in having dual active LTE, as it just serves to eat up more battery life.
Most other phones tend to have 1 slot that can do 2G/3G/4G and a second slot for 2G/3G only, which means if you want to use SIM2 on 4G, you have to power off the phone and switch the SIM cards around physically. On the ZE551KL, both slots are 2G/3G/4G compatible, and 2G/3G remains active on both at all times, while the 4G data connection is switchable via Android software. No need to turn off and move SIMs around to change which one you want to use for your data connection.
Whenever an application starts a data session (opening a web browser, email auto-sync, etc), the application asks Android for details regarding the connection. Since this is a dual-SIM device, you can select which SIM card you want the data connection to occur on in the dual-SIM settings. If there was no option, Android might randomly select a SIM that has a small data plan and eat up your data usage.
Sucks that there's no Band 12, but all the other radio decisions they've made sound right.
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I'm not sure what having an unlocked phone has anything to do with VoLTE, whether the phone is locked or unlocked it can still be capable of VoLTE and there are plenty of unlocked phones out there that are. Eventually all phones will have to be VoLTE capable whether they want to or not, locked or unlocked.
In order to use TMobile's band 12 the phone must be VoLTE and E911 enabled certified by TMobile. TMobile issued a release on the already back in the summer. This phone will still work the TMobile system just fine as I'm using the Zenfone on both AT&T and TMobile and never had an issue hitting TMobile at all as it has the other bands TMobile uses.
I'm also aware as I stated above in my previous post that the phone can only use 1 sim at a time for data, however there are already dual sim phones that do not downgrade the second sim to 2/3G for voice/text it keeps it at 4G LTE with very little noticeable battery loss at all. Those phones and I had a Siswoo, was the same exact way in the OS that you tell it which sim you wish to use for data, this is not something new and has been around for quite some time. A lot of battery loss as to do with how well a company keeps up their firmware and OS on the phone to make sure the patches are done. To say nothing of how the actual end user uses the device itself.
The problem with downgrading the second sim to 2G would amount to the same issue I'm running into now with the Zenfone, it's completely useless as a dual sim phone as 2G is being shut down.
Thank you for your response but it still doesn't answer any of the conflicting responses from Asus.
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I'm not sure what having an unlocked phone has anything to do with VoLTE, whether the phone is locked or unlocked it can still be capable of VoLTE and there are plenty of unlocked phones out there that are. Eventually all phones will have to be VoLTE capable whether they want to or not, locked or unlocked.
In order to use TMobile's band 12 the phone must be VoLTE and E911 enabled certified by TMobile. TMobile issued a release on the already back in the summer. This phone will still work the TMobile system just fine as I'm using the Zenfone on both AT&T and TMobile and never had an issue hitting TMobile at all as it has the other bands TMobile uses.
I'm also aware as I stated above in my previous post that the phone can only use 1 sim at a time for data, however there are already dual sim phones that do not downgrade the second sim to 2/3G for voice/text it keeps it at 4G LTE with very little noticeable battery loss at all. Those phones and I had a Siswoo, was the same exact way in the OS that you tell it which sim you wish to use for data, this is not something new and has been around for quite some time. A lot of battery loss as to do with how well a company keeps up their firmware and OS on the phone to make sure the patches are done. To say nothing of how the actual end user uses the device itself.
The problem with downgrading the second sim to 2G would amount to the same issue I'm running into now with the Zenfone, it's completely useless as a dual sim phone as 2G is being shut down.
Thank you for your response but it still doesn't answer any of the conflicting responses from Asus.
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Unlocked devices typically do not go through carrier VoLTE certification, the exception being the Nexus 6 that was offered by carriers directly (and Apple devices but that's an entirely different beast), which is why it has Band 12 enabled. The new set of Nexus' and the Moto X Pure, which are not sold by carriers, have not gone through carrier VoLTE certification yet, so despite their hardware supporting Band 12, it's currently disabled. However, VoLTE is not a requirement yet, as no networks are planning on shutting down both their 2G and 3G signals anytime soon. Considering this phone will probably never be certified for VoLTE by AT&T/TMO (none of ASUS' other US devices have VoLTE certifications), there is no reason for both SIM slots to have 4G access at the same time. Since both slots support simultaneous 2G/3G, when AT&T/TMO get around to shutting down their 2G networks, the second SIM will continue to function normally and do calls/texts over the 3G network.
I don't know if only 1 SIM being able to access LTE is a hardware or software issue/limitation, but since carriers won't VoLTE certify it, it's a non-issue. The only difference is that MMS on the second SIM might take a second longer to download over 3G vs 4G.
xtermmin said:
Unlocked devices typically do not go through carrier VoLTE certification, the exception being the Nexus 6 that was offered by carriers directly (and Apple devices but that's an entirely different beast), which is why it has Band 12 enabled. The new set of Nexus' and the Moto X Pure, which are not sold by carriers, have not gone through carrier VoLTE certification yet, so despite their hardware supporting Band 12, it's currently disabled. However, VoLTE is not a requirement yet, as no networks are planning on shutting down both their 2G and 3G signals anytime soon. Considering this phone will probably never be certified for VoLTE by AT&T/TMO (none of ASUS' other US devices have VoLTE certifications), there is no reason for both SIM slots to have 4G access at the same time. Since both slots support simultaneous 2G/3G, when AT&T/TMO get around to shutting down their 2G networks, the second SIM will continue to function normally and do calls/texts over the 3G network.
I don't know if only 1 SIM being able to access LTE is a hardware or software issue/limitation, but since carriers won't VoLTE certify it, it's a non-issue. The only difference is that MMS on the second SIM might take a second longer to download over 3G vs 4G.
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TMobile is the only carrier I think requiring certification, AT&T doesn't require anything. If your phone is equipped with VoLTE all you have to do is turn it on inside your phone with AT&T, TMobile requires you to call them and have it added to your account. Either way a phone still could be VoLTE whether unlocked or locked. certified or uncertified. AT&T rolled out VoLTE 2 years ago and TMobile is still in the beginning stages of a rollout. You're comparing Walmart with Macy's here, which is one of the reasons I ditched TMobile years ago. So I really don't care what TMobile does or doesn't do since they are not my main provider, AT&T is, so the fact band 12 isn't there has zero affect on my use. Regardless VoLTE has zero bearing on the what Asus is doing with the 2 sim modems in this phone. Since a dual active phone has 2 modems, my guess it is a software issue not a hardware issue.
AT&T has already started shutting down 2G in different areas and has stated by the end of 2016 all 2G will be shut down across the U.S. I'm in Florida and 2G is already down in certain areas. So yes, they have started shutting down 2G already. In fact my other sim from Three UK doesn't even offer 2G signal when in the UK, they don't have it at all on their spectrum.
Once again though, I still have conflicting information from 2 different Asus reps and nothing is being stated by them as to why and which one is the correct one.
This highlights the poor performance SIM 2 issue I went through on the ZF2 because of the 2G slot. It proved out because I have a new dual SIM phone now that gets LTE in both slots. I went through a terrible time unable to get calls in my house on the ZF2's second SIM. I'm able to on my new phone. I thought I was going to have issues at first, but my reception and SIM 2 availability have been consistent now. I can make and receive calls in my house just fine. I had minor issues at first, and it's fine now. My phone is provisioned to my new phone with my carrier on both slots. So that's what Asus needs to guarantee it can provide in that second slot; call reception that works! Too late for me. I found another product.
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This highlights the poor performance SIM 2 issue I went through on the ZF2 because of the 2G slot. It proved out because I have a new dual SIM phone now that gets LTE in both slots. I went through a terrible time unable to get calls in my house on the ZF2's second SIM. I'm able to on my new phone. I thought I was going to have issues at first, but my reception and SIM 2 availability have been consistent now. I can make and receive calls in my house just fine. I had minor issues at first, and it's fine now. My phone is provisioned to my new phone with my carrier on both slots. So that's what Asus needs to guarantee it can provide in that second slot; call reception that works! Too late for me. I found another product.
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Exactly Babsk. 2 days now and still no response as to what is the correct information from Asus. The rep on their own forum said he didn't know if an update to M would even be available, they're still working Lollipop. Really? Still working on Lollipop 5.0. I wish I could get that phone you got, but not enough bands for me are turned on.
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Exactly Babsk. 2 days now and still no response as to what is the correct information from Asus. The rep on their own forum said he didn't know if an update to M would even be available, they're still working Lollipop. Really? Still working on Lollipop 5.0. I wish I could get that phone you got, but not enough bands for me are turned on.
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floridaman: That's truly a shame. I had to research the bands thing too. I have AT&T and fortunately the missing LTE Band 5 is not a concern. My area is using Band 17 all the time and the Pure XL picks it up just fine. I did an LTE band check before I got this phone and then figured I would also test it after purchase. My speed tests show I get LTE and my display says it too.
I hope you can get an answer from Asus. It would be great if the Laser could work out for you.
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The octacore snap dragon makes this very tempting but no fast charge... Home on asus
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I have the octacore snapdragon and it supports fast charge
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I have the octacore snapdragon and it supports fast charge
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I noticed that as well in the specs on Qualcomm website's that this processor does have quickcharge. It's becoming clear that Asus goes in and firmware blocks things, for what reason is anyones guess.
If this phone had fast charge I would buy it and keep my zen2 as a backup
I'm looking into buying this since my ZE551ML has broken LCD. But, I'm confused with what the CS told me and what is advertised. CS told me that sim2 is only 2G/3G and not 2G/3G/4G as advertised.
Also, no root yet.
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Previous models like the Z2 and Z3 Xperia phones had both VoLTE & HD Voice included, even in the international versions. But since the Z5 and even with the upcoming X series phones, these features were removed. Does ANYONE know why Sony did this?? I have a couple ideas, but I'd like to know if anyone knows anything more concrete. Any information would be great!!
Thanks!
Well, some country (mostly Asia/Europe) has VoLTE option on Z5.
On my Japanese docomo's X Performance also has VoLTE option, so maybe some country/customization will have VoLTE option.
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Well, some country (mostly Asia/Europe) has VoLTE option on Z5.
On my Japanese docomo's X Performance also has VoLTE option, so maybe some country/customization will have VoLTE option.
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Andro,
Very interesting! Let me ask you.....I've pre-ordered the INTERNATIONAL version of the X Performance. Is that the version that you have too? Or did you get your X Performance from a Japanese carrier?? Please let me know. Thanks!
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Andro,
Very interesting! Let me ask you.....I've pre-ordered the INTERNATIONAL version of the X Performance. Is that the version that you have too? Or did you get your X Performance from a Japanese carrier?? Please let me know. Thanks!
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I was selected to test Japanese carrier's X Performance before launching in Japan
I will get international Dual (F8132), though.
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I was selected to test Japanese carrier's X Performance before launching in Japan
I will get international Dual (F8132), though.
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Oh. So it's from a Japanese carrier......I was hoping you were gonna tell me it was the international version. Oh well. lol
VoLte also use by an application, in india only Jio Innfocom is ony VoLte provider and for non VoLte Phones they are using JioConnect App For Hd Calling So Don't Worry About VoLTe.
Pramodkumawat said:
VoLte also use by an application, in india only Jio Innfocom is ony VoLte provider and for non VoLte Phones they are using JioConnect App For Hd Calling So Don't Worry About VoLTe.
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Well here in America I found out from T-Mobile's Tech Support Department that I'll still be able to make calls in a 4G LTE-only area even without VoLTE, which is fine. But the problem is Band 12/700 MHz. This is very valuable low-bandwidth spectrum which T-Mobile JUST purchased in my area (Chicago) a week ago. So within the next 6-8 mos this will become available for all customers like myself. Band 12 is very good at penetrating through buildings, unlike the higher spectrums, so that's why people would want it. But I found out that if I buy the X Performance, b/c it doesn't have VoLTE on it, I can ONLY use Band 12 for data while on a call, not for the call itself. Which means I WON'T be able to take advantage of having Band 12, even though the XP has it. They said your phone can only use Band 12 for phone calls if you have VoLTE. The other bandwidths don't require VoLTE but Band 12 does. So I'm NOT happy about this.
I could get an HTC 10 through T-Mobile today, and it would have VoLTE, but the camera on the 10 isn't as good as the XP's, and the XP looks cooler too, plus has front-facing STEREO speakers. So I dunno. I'm really p'd off Pramo because I feel like I have to sacrifice something I really like just to have the XP.
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Previous models like the Z2 and Z3 Xperia phones had both VoLTE & HD Voice included, even in the international versions. But since the Z5 and even with the upcoming X series phones, these features were removed. Does ANYONE know why Sony did this?? I have a couple ideas, but I'd like to know if anyone knows anything more concrete. Any information would be great!!
Thanks!
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Can't verify it myself as I don't have a Z5 series phone, but according to a list on Wikipedia the Z5 series does have HD Voice: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_smartphones_with_HD_Voice_support#Sony
So, what makes you believe the Z5 or the new X series would not support HD Voice?
Also, the Z5 series reportedly supports VoLTE, depending on carrier of course:
http://www.areamobile.de/news/32061-voice-over-lte-diese-smartphones-unterstuetzen-lte-telefonate
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Can't verify it myself as I don't have a Z5 series phone, but according to a list on Wikipedia the Z5 series does have HD Voice: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_smartphones_with_HD_Voice_support#Sony
So, what makes you believe the Z5 or the new X series would not support HD Voice?
Also, the Z5 series reportedly supports VoLTE, depending on carrier of course:
http://www.areamobile.de/news/32061-voice-over-lte-diese-smartphones-unterstuetzen-lte-telefonate
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sxtester,
Thank you SO MUCH for sharing these links. It seems that perhaps Sony DID put VoLTE on these phones. But I am in the process of reaching someone at Sony internally (via T-Mobile's "contact" person who works at Sony Mobile) to verify all this. But this is very promising news, and MUCH appreciated!! The MAIN thing is to find out whether or not the Xperia X Performance will have VoLTE or not, and if they have already certified VoLTE with T-Mobile or not? See this link in order to follow up over the next week or two.
Thanks!!
Sony has included VoLTE on the XP, I think the intl, version is the same as the Hong Kong Version, I have personal seen this feature on the retail version of the XP, just a few more days before I get mine.
The ones that had it were carrier specific Z5s there is no universal volte unless sony certified with the carriers for the model
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Sony has included VoLTE on the XP, I think the intl, version is the same as the Hong Kong Version, I have personal seen this feature on the retail version of the XP, just a few more days before I get mine.
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hey kms,
That's the thing........ we're not 100% sure the HK version is the same as the int'l version. It might be, but I'd rather know for sure. I will find out soon enough (see last few posts) whether or not the XP will have VoLTE on it or not, etc.
A few days? Nice!! Lucky! lol I probably still got another month before I get it. lol
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I was selected to test Japanese carrier's X Performance before launching in Japan
I will get international Dual (F8132), though.
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Hello,
I know this is out of topic. But could you please let me know if the X Performance uses in-cell touch display? This can be done by checking the screen if it has "patterns" on the screen like the Z3.
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Hello,
I know this is out of topic. But could you please let me know if the X Performance uses in-cell touch display? This can be done by checking the screen if it has "patterns" on the screen like the Z3.
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Yes, X Performance uses in-cell touch display.
I can't see patterns and Sony's developer explained they used in-cell to make unified design.
I can also confirm it uses in-cell because there is touch driver for in-cell in kernel source.
HD voice uses 3g signals (H, H+, 3g)
VoLTE uses (obviously) true 4g signals (4g, LTE)
It is up to networks to provide access to the services as they are done on a network level, not handset level
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corallus said:
HD voice uses 3g signals (H, H+, 3g)
VoLTE uses (obviously) true 4g signals (4g, LTE)
It is up to networks to provide access to the services as they are done on a network level, not handset level
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Hey corallus,
How u been?
So is there a way to make my int'l XP I just bought get 4G on a call instead of what it HAS been doing which is switching back and forth from 3G and H+/3.5G?
Not bad dude,
It's one of those things where you gonna have to speak to T-mobile.
It MAY depend on the phone having their firmware on, it normally does.. But, guessing not released on their network yet..
Give them a call and see what plans they have for providing the service on their network.
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Not bad dude,
It's one of those things where you gonna have to speak to T-mobile.
It MAY depend on the phone having their firmware on, it normally does.. But, guessing not released on their network yet..
Give them a call and see what plans they have for providing the service on their network.
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corallus,
Yeah I was gonna give them a call prob tomorrow about it. My Contacts app is being weird too, and Wi-Fi is acting a lil funny too on my phone. So I decided to just use Xperia Companion to wipe the phone clean and reinstall the software. I'm HOPING that does the trick. I guess I'll find out shortly.
I know they'll prob say they can't do anything about it, but can't hurt to call them. Since I bought the phone unlocked (like I had a choice Sony?! lol) that's not gonna help much, plus it's the int'l version of the XP too. So I dunno. We'll see what they say.
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I was selected to test Japanese carrier's X Performance before launching in Japan
I will get international Dual (F8132), though.
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Hi, I have got a X performance today, do you want to make a custome kernel for XP?
I can comfirm that VoLTE is on my unit.
without a VoLTE Usim, the icon does not show, but once a supported Usim is inserted, the VoLTE will show up, and operative.