Low light - LG V20 Real Life Review

At the club, at the bar, or just in your mom's basement, nighttime is when you come out to play. Rate this thread to express how the LG V20's camera performs when no or low light is present. A higher rating indicates that the camera sensor "sees" lots of light in dim conditions, and that the resulting photos have minimal noise. A higher rating also indicates that when the flash fires, the resulting photo is evenly-lit without any bright spots.
Then, drop a comment if you have anything to add!

meh
Looks like an oil painting...

Average
Low light was certainly a disappointment. Took side-by-side photos using V20 and my S7 edge. The LG does no better than a 6 version iphone. Not even in the same class as S7.

I agree that low light seems pretty average. Dynamic range seems slightly about average as well.

Any red eye seen on people?

I agree. The low light shots leave a lot to be desired. Coming from an S7 Edge, it's definitely a disappointment. Hopefully it's something that can be fixed with a software update.

Slash8915 said:
I agree. The low light shots leave a lot to be desired. Coming from an S7 Edge, it's definitely a disappointment. Hopefully it's something that can be fixed with a software update.
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I wonder if there is a way to give feedbacks to LG and whether they check it or not.

joseguillen1994 said:
I wonder if there is a way to give feedbacks to LG and whether they check it or not.
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I'm not sure how good LG is at listening to their customers. It would be really nice if they could fix it though.

Slash8915 said:
I'm not sure how good LG is at listening to their customers. It would be really nice if they could fix it though.
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yeah i have some request myself.

I don't have the V20 (yet), but with my V10 in low light I have to use manual mode and increase lower the shutter speed.
This is inevitable because the V20 use the Exmor IMX298 sensor with a pixel size of 1.12µm, in comparison, the Nexus 6P have 1.55µm and S7 edge have 1.4µm, which let in more lights.
It's kind of a trade off between low light performance and total megapixels. I really want that wide angle camera though.

you can not expect much from imx298
it's really bad choice for a flagship phone. imx298 is good for midrange phones
when imx378 is available why imx298?
imagine imx378 f1.8 +ois ...

Low light is certainly average. Coming from a note 7... It's not even comparable...

eksasol said:
I don't have the V20 (yet), but with my V10 in low light I have to use manual mode and increase lower the shutter speed.
This is inevitable because the V20 use the Exmor IMX298 sensor with a pixel size of 1.12µm, in comparison, the Nexus 6P have 1.55µm and S7 edge have 1.4µm, which let in more lights.
It's kind of a trade off between low light performance and total megapixels. I really want that wide angle camera though.
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Same pixel size as the G5, looks like the G5 takes better photos at night It should be correctable in software...hopefully.

koppee1 said:
Low light is certainly average. Coming from a note 7... It's not even comparable...
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When I went from the s6 edge+ to the s7 edge (I had to return the note 7 new in box because of what happened) I thought the newer model actually was a bit of a step back from the s6 edge+ in low light.
I have confidence that software can absolutely improve the quality of the image. I donlt have confidence that the update to the camera software will ever happen though
Meanwhile, I will shoot in manual if need be since pics come out generally better to much better than auto.

Techweed said:
When I went from the s6 edge+ to the s7 edge (I had to return the note 7 new in box because of what happened) I thought the newer model actually was a bit of a step back from the s6 edge+ in low light.
I have confidence that software can absolutely improve the quality of the image. I donlt have confidence that the update to the camera software will ever happen though
Meanwhile, I will shoot in manual if need be since pics come out generally better to much better than auto.
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no phone can beat the S6 edge on camera quality, which is a bummer

Video in lowlight is not so bad.
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B_j8qIxYN_onMmpXSTdEaDlzZzA
I didnt do it with 4k but with 1080p.

alireza_asol said:
when imx378 is available why imx298?
imagine imx378 f1.8 +ois ...
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And what would it be? Crappy 12Mpix in daylight and same crappy blurry "around 5Mpix" in lowlight?
Look at pictures from HTC 10 or U Ultra both with IMX378
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Low light is certainly average. Coming from a note 7... It's not even comparable...
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Attach some here and we'll gladly compare

Billy Madison said:
And what would it be? Crappy 12Mpix in daylight and same crappy blurry "around 5Mpix" in lowlight?
Look at pictures from HTC 10 or U Ultra both with IMX378
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Attach some here and we'll gladly compare
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and you look at pixel without ois and f2.0
htc's camera is crap always

Ashk91 said:
no phone can beat the S6 edge on camera quality, which is a bummer
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I too felt the S6 edge/edge+ camera is the best I've ever seen. I think only the Pixel produces better pictures now (with HDR+ mode on)

You can get some insane shots in low light with manual mode. Long exposure shots come out amazing. These are from the beach at around midnight. No light at all. Did a little light painting.

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[Q]optimus 2x camera?

I have to buy a new phone,and i found an offer on this model.
I was wondering if the lg 2x camera is good as the iphone 4 >_<
Personally yeah. i think its better.
My housemate has one and we are forever arguing which one is better. And i think the O2X camera is ace IMO.
I think it is :-??
The camera of the 2x is one of the worst cameras in a smartphone. I have other 3 smartphones and all of them are better.
regards!
McGiverGim said:
The camera of the 2x is one of the worst cameras in a smartphone. I have other 3 smartphones and all of them are better.
regards!
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O_O they say that is better than the GS2 one >_<
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The camera of the 2x is one of the worst cameras in a smartphone. I have other 3 smartphones and all of them are better.
regards!
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Would be nice if youd mention those other smartphones.
Ot: personally i think the camera quality is pretty damn decent , alot better than my gf's iphone 4 imo
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Well, it IS better than the iPhone 4.. i mean, without the backcover, i just makes some very nive pictures.. and it can shoot 1080p vids ;D
With enough lighting, they are pretty close in term of quality. But in low light, the iPhone 4 is noticably better. It clearly fares better than the o2x.
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The camera of the 2x is one of the worst cameras in a smartphone. I have other 3 smartphones and all of them are better.
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No, it's not. Maybe yours is faulty?
When I bought my O2x I had the option to choose between SGSII, O2x and one HTC something, I compared the photos on the reviews and O2x was the second best (the first was SGSII), but when I went shopping the Samsung was hefty overpriced, like 150 EUR more than the O2x and I ended buying the LG.
The camera is nice, but of course, you can't expect a Nikon or Canon DSLR quality from such small sensor.
Personally i dont like the o2x's camera. And my mates SGS2 is way better IMO.
The thing about reviews online, is that they rarely test the device's camera in low light conditions. And there is where a good camera sensor shines. And frankly, the o2x, in low light conditions is quite bad.
i think it's good with a good illumination but when the sun go down the camera works bad..
Indeed, the camera in low light, or night setting is awful, in software.
The preview is fine, then one takes the photo, and the image is frozen,
and then the image processing kicks in, and most of the detail is lost,
with just a few bright dots, and over-saturated lighting now remaining!
The over-saturated lighting is also a problem with daytime lighting too.
This is in such stark contrast to my previous Nokia E90. On that, I was
able to take a photo in apparent darkness, the frozen image would be
almost black, then the image processing brought out excellent detail,
sometimes more than I could see with a naked eye. Truly remarkable!
Since the problem is software, as far as I see it, there could be a fix.
Richard.
The camera is decent for a smartphone. There is very few smartphones with better cameras. One is the Samsung Galaxy SII, which in general is a better phone, but also more expensive and I like the O2X's look better.
The camera takes very nice pictures in snapshot mode. When taking pictures in bad lighting condition, it still outdoes many other cameras in snapshot mode but for good pictures you should use Night mode or manually alter the ISO value.
The LG camera App has many settings that can be altered.
The Pictures show more detail than the ones taken with an iPhone 4. The iP4 has hardly any settings and uses automatic enhancement software like HDR or enhance. With the O2X and an app like camera360 the HDR looks better then on an iP4 and you can adjust the level of photo enhancement.
However, the pretty good LG camera software does not work with CM7.1. So if you plan to flash CM on your phone, you have to bear with a very basic camera software which I reckon is the reason for some people in this thread calling the O2X camera "bad".
mike-o2 said:
The camera is decent for a smartphone. There is very few smartphones with better cameras. One is the Samsung Galaxy SII, which in general is a better phone, but also more expensive and I like the O2X's look better.
The camera takes very nice pictures in snapshot mode. When taking pictures in bad lighting condition, it still outdoes many other cameras in snapshot mode but for good pictures you should use Night mode or manually alter the ISO value.
The LG camera App has many settings that can be altered.
The Pictures show more detail than the ones taken with an iPhone 4. The iP4 has hardly any settings and uses automatic enhancement software like HDR or enhance. With the O2X and an app like camera360 the HDR looks better then on an iP4 and you can adjust the level of photo enhancement.
However, the pretty good LG camera software does not work with CM7.1. So if you plan to flash CM on your phone, you have to bear with a very basic camera software which I reckon is the reason for some people in this thread calling the O2X camera "bad".
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Yeap, I agree with mike, and it is even better if you use a modified/patched stock LG camera such as by AndiCP which gives better picture and especially video because of the increased bitrate.
Overall, its a decent camera, abit on the downside when it comes to low light conditions, some say the back cover if taken off gives a more better picture, but hey.. this is the cheapest dualcore phone with 8mp and full HD recording you can get.. can't really complain.
Cheers!
tablighs said:
this is the cheapest dualcore phone with 8mp and full HD recording you can get.. can't really complain.
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That's for sure
From 1.to10.
Daylight - 7.5
Lowlight ( without flash ! ) - 4
For me Carl Zeiss makes best sensors for mobile cameras `for now` ... e.g. N8...
and yes , N95 8gb makes better pictures than most newest android phones ....
Has anybody seen this thread. Mindblowing that O2X camera can shoot these pics. Appears too good to be true. Credit to "mimstyle", the shooter for talking such brilliant photos with O2X.
http://www.optimus2x.net/index.php?topic=401.0

Camera in medium/low light

With it looking like the nexus 6 will perhaps be a bigger moto x, can anyone tell me what the camera is in medium light?
My note 3 takes really poor pictures and lags taking shots indoors unless in bright sunlight. Most of the time I get a blurr where my son has moved before its taken the shot.
I'm considering ditching samsung as the note 4 sounds to be just the same.
Any info much appreciated
With normal shots it gets grainy in places with shadows in any lighting situation. In low light situation it is very grainy, in fact the Moto G 2014 take less grainy pictures in low light. This is also software things related to post processing technology, not so much the hardware.
In order to get great pictures with this phone and prevent grains, I use HDR mode, which will significantly improve the details in the shadows and also significantly reduce grains.
Unfortunately the camera is still not good, particularly in low light situations. My old S4 and even an iPhone 5S have way better cameras...
I've been disappointed in the camera and feel like it's performing worse than my old phone (Moto X 2013). I've tried different settings without success, but I haven't tried a different app. What I've read says it uses the same sensor as the G3, which does quite well with pictures, so I'm guessing it's either the optics or software. If it's the latter, then it could improve.
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I wish they would have included OIS, if I rest the phone on something and hold it completely still I can get pretty decent shots
After repeated attempts, including stabilizing with a rail, this was the best picture I could get in an outdoor setting in overcast daylight. The others were blurrier and noisier. This one is still pretty bad (zoom in to see how bad). Hopefully they'll update the camera software and improve things.
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I don't have the phone, I should not comment, but I have seen at least 100 samples from different sources, anyone can if wants, and to my eyes the camera might be slightly better in capturing details under bright light, but it is significantly worse in low light when compared with previous generation's X. Yes, it's normal, as the previous OMV sensor was meant to capture more light, but this Sony one doesn't, but that can't be a reason to not match G3's or S4's IQ while they all have the same sensor! Okay, not same IQ, but at least this sensor should give those phones some minimum competition right? But nah, it doesn't! I literally have no idea what and how Motorola messed up with the sensor! Also notice that the camera is still inconsistent. One shot looks pretty fine, and the other looks awful! Exposure too is all over the place!
In simple words, in 2014, this picture quality is not acceptable. And I am extremely sad and disappointed with that.
Lipito said:
Unfortunately the camera is still not good, particularly in low light situations. My old S4 and even an iPhone 5S have way better cameras...
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I agree. Motorola still hasn't "caught up" to the competition when it comes to cameras. The S4 takes far better pictures. If MOTOROLA is producing the Nexus 6 then that also gives me pause, despite the beefy specs.
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Note 4 variants have different Camera Sensor!

Well according to this site Exynos version has different Camera sensor than Snapdragon. Specifically,Exynos uses a Samsung based sensor "SLSI_S5K2P2" whereas SD uses Sony based sensor "IMX240". Also it says that historically, Exynos camera Sensors were superior to Snapdragon's!
If anyone is interested in checking/verifying the sensor then open the dialer app and type the following number *#34971539#, choose ISP Ver Check.
Nice find. The low light shots on the Exynos look significantly better.
Oh damn, I'm from the US, guess I'm not getting a Note 4 anymore. It has a lesser quality sensor
SM-N910U Exynos model unsupport sony imx240 sensor.?
Here's GSMArena's review of the S-805 Note 4's camera. It's ISOCELL with phase detection so everyone can relax their sphincter.
Finally, a real camera evaluation. GSMArena's posted their review of the Note 4 ( http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_note_4-review-1147.php ). They and Anandtech both due ridged objective testing which they subject all the devices they test to equally. So the results can be compared across devices. I personally put little value in sites that basically offer their opinion which, so far, all that's been posted represent. There are some pro and semi-pro photographers on XDA whose opinions I value but most people here posting pics of their dog and critiquing it aren't really reliable references. And people owning each brand of smartphone swear their brand's camera(s) are the best. And let's face it, if you search the Internet hard enough you can find substantiation for just about any point you're trying to make. That's why objective testing is so important - you can't fight facts and controlled examples.
Here are some excerpts from GSMArena's testing of the S-805 version of the Note 4's camera...
Focusing has been improved this year with the inclusion of phase detection pixels on the sensor. It's the same technology that premiered on the Samsung Galaxy S5 but it's even faster this time around. The LG G3 and the Apple iPhone 6 and 6 Plus offer a similar hybrid auto focus systems combining the traditional contrast detect auto focus with phase detect.
The Samsung Galaxy Note 4 takes excellent pictures. The higher megapixel count is noticeable and we welcome the wider aspect of the images as both allow a bigger, better photo. Detail is superb, especially in the center of the photo but still doesn't degrade too much towards the far edges.
Images came out tack sharp across the frame and focusing was spot on. We noticed that the Galaxy Note 4 was very fast to lock on and even surpassed the Samsung Galaxy S5 on every occasion.
Colors aren't as punchy as those of the Galaxy S5 but are still vibrant. The white balance was spot on, finding a great middle ground between cold and warm. Scenes are well exposed and we like the dynamic range from the 16MP camera - the shadow and highlight areas of the image are well exposed.
There is some noise visible in the shadows and in solid colors (such as in the sky) but it's kept reasonably under control.
The autofocus when capturing close up (macro) images fares extremely well. The Samsung Galaxy Note 4 can get very close to its subject (around 6cm) and capture detailed images. There is also a reasonable separation from the object and the background leading to a nice blurred effect (bokeh).
HDR samples aim to expose the entire frame better by capturing a series of shots at different exposures and matching them for the final result. We like the HDR effect on the Galaxy Note 4 - it gets a lot of detail back into the shadows but also improves upon the highlights
Overall, we can say that the Samsung Galaxy Note 4 carries one of the most capable cameras you can find on a smartphone. The quality is very high, detail is aplenty and things are always in focus and always sharp. The large resolution is welcome and the 16:9 makes much more sense than 4:3 (or any other ratio for that matter) on a 16:9 device.​Versus Note 3
Looking at the samples in good light it's clear the Galaxy Note 4 has the upper hand. It manages to squeeze a little bit more detail compared to its predecessor. However the Galaxy Note 3 doesn't lag too far behind. Truth be told, there is more noise in the Galaxy Note 3 image, especially in the sky. The noise in the Galaxy Note 4 image is better controlled and finer.
In scenes with more fine detail the 16MP snapper of the Galaxy Note 4 is clearly superior. The textures on the wall of the building below indicate just that. Not only that, but it clearly has a better dynamic range, as the highlights on the left are not blown as on the right, while keeping nearly the same exposure of the shadows.​Versus SGS5
When it comes to low light we pit the Samsung Galaxy Note 4 against the Samsung Galaxy S5. Both have 16MP ISOCELL cameras with identical f/2.2 apertures so the amount of light hitting the sensor should be about the same. The Samsung Galaxy Note 4 has the added bonus of optical image stabilization, which should allow it to snap photos at lower shutter speeds than the S5.
The images below are shot at ISO 500 (automatic ISO) and with a shutter speed of 1/10s. As you can see the Samsung Galaxy S5 has a blurrier image while the Galaxy Note 4 keeps things a little more sharp at the same shutter speed. All four images were captured handheld.​
Here's GSMArena's six device camera shoot out test. In order of performance:
Lumia 1020
SGS5
LG G3
Oppo Find 7)
Xperia Z2 [Z3 has the same camera]
iP5s
They left out the HTC M8 because its 4MP camera doomed it from the beginning.
http://www.gsmarena.com/camera_shootout-review-1104p8.php
SAVVAS. said:
Well according to this site Exynos version has different Camera sensor than Snapdragon. Specifically,Exynos uses a Samsung based sensor "SLSI_S5K2P2" whereas SD uses Sony based sensor "IMX240". Also it says that historically, Exynos camera Sensors were superior to Snapdragon's!
If anyone is interested in checking/verifying the sensor then open the dialer app and type the following number *#34971539#, choose ISP Ver Check.
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oh my God.. please read http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=55749031&postcount=44. And need check not ISP !!! but Phone/CAM FW ver !!!:laugh:
On now date all Note4_devices have Sony IMX240 sensor.
Sony generally makes excellent camera sensors. Nikon even uses them.
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oh my God.. please read http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=55749031&postcount=44. And need check not ISP !!! but Phone/CAM FW ver !!!:laugh:
On now date all Note4_devices have Sony IMX240 sensor.
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Go blame that website which reported that, those are their words... Nonetheless, thanks for contributing on this matter:good:
This is interesting and I'd like to get the bottom of this.
Looking at pictures and some videos how N4 camera works, live HDR, S5's widescreen pixel resolution etc., the Note 4 seem to perform very similarly to the S5 in terms of white balance, saturation and exposure, results are only a little sharper during the daylight, more so in HDR and during the night. But if either or both N4 versions have an IMX240, then Sony has a 16:9 sensor that perform 95% like a Samsung ISOCELL and that's a little harder to believe with such different technologies.
Of course Sony can always make an ISOCELL sensor for Samsung as they make a PDAF-type for Apple, but then I'd have to ask why, Samsung comfortably supplied the bigger launch of the S5 with enough ISOCELL units so numbers cannot be the problem. Some say OIS can be, but if Sony has an exact same size sensor as S5 ISOCELL, I don't see an issue packing ISOCELL sensors into an OIS camera unit. BTW I like ISOCELL cause it's very fast and reliable, almost always perfect WB which is always an issue with Sony sensors, 2-6 out of 10 shots come out with improper white balance either on the colder or on the yellower side. Apple phones are the only ones getting it almost always right.
IMX240 equipped sensors with the proper ISP however can do up to 32s shutter speeds, and longer shutter options are a huge missing option for Samsung devices, usually SW capped at 1/15s. That's not only a problem cause you either have to use the multi-shot stability mode or higher ISO for VERY noisy results, but with optical image stabilization this capping is totally unnecessary, one could hold the phone for up to half a second with OIS and not get a shaky result. So far Note 4 shots are impressive during daytime and improved during the night, but I don't see any longer shutter samples or options. That is just silly from Sammy at this point in mobile photography. EVERYTHING is there for great night shots except for some reason Samsung's willingness to either allow longer shutter speed options for the automatic mode, or provide it for manual mode. This lack of judgement makes Samsung phones inferior in night comparison to counterparts that happily go for long shutters. The Oppo Find 7 makes great night shots with a Sony IMX sensor.
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This is interesting and I'd like to get the bottom of this.
Looking at pictures and some videos how N4 camera works, live HDR, S5's widescreen pixel resolution etc., the Note 4 seem to perform very similarly to the S5 in terms of white balance, saturation and exposure, results are only a little sharper during the daylight, more so in HDR and during the night. But if either or both N4 versions have an IMX240, then Sony has a 16:9 sensor that perform 95% like a Samsung ISOCELL and that's a little harder to believe with such different technologies.
Of course Sony can always make an ISOCELL sensor for Samsung as they make a PDAF-type for Apple, but then I'd have to ask why, Samsung comfortably supplied the bigger launch of the S5 with enough ISOCELL units so numbers cannot be the problem. Some say OIS can be, but if Sony has an exact same size sensor as S5 ISOCELL, I don't see an issue packing ISOCELL sensors into an OIS camera unit. BTW I like ISOCELL cause it's very fast and reliable, almost always perfect WB which is always an issue with Sony sensors, 2-6 out of 10 shots come out with improper white balance either on the colder or on the yellower side. Apple phones are the only ones getting it almost always right.
IMX240 equipped sensors with the proper ISP however can do up to 32s shutter speeds, and longer shutter options are a huge missing option for Samsung devices, usually SW capped at 1/15s. That's not only a problem cause you either have to use the multi-shot stability mode or higher ISO for VERY noisy results, but with optical image stabilization this capping is totally unnecessary, one could hold the phone for up to half a second with OIS and not get a shaky result. So far Note 4 shots are impressive during daytime and improved during the night, but I don't see any longer shutter samples or options. That is just silly from Sammy at this point in mobile photography. EVERYTHING is there for great night shots except for some reason Samsung's willingness to either allow longer shutter speed options for the automatic mode, or provide it for manual mode. This lack of judgement makes Samsung phones inferior in night comparison to counterparts that happily go for long shutters. The Oppo Find 7 makes great night shots with a Sony IMX sensor.
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Thanks for sharing your insight!
Do you also have the spec sheets for the IMX240 sensor? It is one of the better sensors on the market this year, right?
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Thanks for sharing your insight!
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@BoneXDA is smart, photographically savvy, and has contributed a ton to discussions of various devices camera performance. He's getting his hands on a Note 4 soon. Look for his review when it's posted. It'll provide insight in to a lot of the open questions hanging around. I'm looking forward to it.
The Note 4, Snapdragon version, has a Sony sensor. More to come!
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The Note 4, Snapdragon version, has a Sony sensor. More to come!
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The s/w on Exynos reports the sensor differently than on S-805 for some reason. That's why everyone thought there were two different sensors. There aren't. Or, if there are, they're both made by Sony. Thanks to @Pako7.
I guess all we know is that it is a Sony sensor. Darn!
I just hope it takes better low light shots than the S5... The comparison photos I have seen between the iPhone 6+ and the Note 4 thus far have me a bit saddened. I really want to use the Note 4 but what is holding me back is TouchWiz (do not want to root and lose warranty before it expires) and the camera.
Can't you use Nova Launcher instead? Are you considering an iPhone 6?
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Can't you use Nova Launcher instead? Are you considering an iPhone 6?
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Does Nova Launcher change the way notifications work too? The TouchWiz skin takes up half the notification drop down... That is truly my only grip with the OS right now, the rest is not so bad.
EP2008 said:
Nice find. The low light shots on the Exynos look significantly better.
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No they don't.
The Black Droid said:
Oh damn, I'm from the US, guess I'm not getting a Note 4 anymore. It has a lesser quality sensor
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I hope you're being sarcastic.
an_xda said:
I guess all we know is that it is a Sony sensor. Darn!.
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So does the iPhone since the 4S.
BarryH_GEG said:
The s/w on Exynos reports the sensor differently than on S-805 for some reason. That's why everyone thought there were two different sensors. There aren't. Or, if there are, they're both made by Sony. Thanks to @Pako7.
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lol i knew it. knew it wasn't the Samsung isocell... which honestly makes me happy bc again, I hated the s5 camera.
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jayochs said:
lol i knew it. knew it wasn't the Samsung isocell..
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It may be ISOCELL manufactured for Samsung by Sony. @BoneXDA said after looking at SGS5 and Note 4 pics back to back they're 95% the same which would be hard to accomplish with two divergent technologies. I think he has one in hand so we'll know soon enough.

How well does the G4 camera handle "Motion Blur"?

All the review sites say the stills are great with good lighting... how well do the stills handle "motion blur"?
Samsung Note 4 got heaps of praise all over the place for its camera with stills but nobody ever said "hey, all the pictures of your toddler will be blurs because the camera is terrible capturing motion with indoors low light conditions."
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You honestly can't get a better camera on a device. It is fantastic in all conditions. It is only good though if you use the stock lg ROM since its camera app really makes the pictures great. If you use a ROM like cyanogenmod then you can't use the stock camera app so your photos won't be as good as they could be.
The camera is the best you can get In a phone right now. Its better than the s6 by a little. The 6p is also badass but the g4 and 6p have different areas of 'bad-ass-ness' that they insividually excel in. If you get a g4 you will become spoiled and will not ever be able to use ****ty cameras ever again.
Simple specific question and I get two generic fan-boy responses. I'll ask again: how well does the camera handle capturing still pictures of motion in low light indoors conditions?
And to get to the point, please don't waste time with the fan-boy posts.
Show me what you got with low light indoors motion.
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Simple specific question and I get two generic fan-boy responses. I'll ask again: how well does the camera handle capturing still pictures of motion in low light indoors conditions?
And to get to the point, please don't waste time with the fan-boy posts.
Show me what you got with low light indoors motion.
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The absolute best camera on a phone is that found on the Nokia 808 and Lumia 1020. The camera on the G4 is probably the best of the Androids I have owned but it doesn't hold a candle to the aforementioned camera phones. In low light there is alot of noise (even with the OIS). If you would like a great low light camera or the best camera on a phone I would look up one of the earlier mentioned devices. The 1020 excels at low light (the 808 not as much due to the of OIS).

Help, S10 Camera overly processed soft, S8 much better

Well I'm stumped.. I recently got an S10 as the Huawei fiasco finally helped me chose the Samsung over it. I have had an S8 for 2 years and liked it very much but was looking forward to the improved cameras on the S10.
After testing it numerous times and comparing I couldn't believe it - The S10 jpgs are overly processed, even in ok indoor lighting (ISO 400 or less) to the point where they are actually much much worst than my S8.
As a comparison, see the attached pics that speak for themselves. S8 on the left, S10 on the right. Granted these aren't perfect but they are within the same lighting conditions, no tweaking (full auto) and take from the same angle. I think the Laserdisc wall one is the most convincing. I am using a SD855 variant with the latest updates
Have I got a defective unit ? Reviewers out there have been praising the S10 camera as being amongst the best if not the best. I can't believe the S8 would be giving considerably better results ?!
Well, comparing the RAW from the S8 and S10 it does look like the S10 is faring a bit better I would say (more details) so that was even more surprising. I tried the Gcam app with settings for S10 and it seems to confirm that the issue is directly tied to the Samsung app and processing. I had read that it was very agressive in noise reduction but it wasn't has bad on the S8 by an important margin. Moreoever, comparing the file sizes from Gcam to Samsung Cam indicates a way heavier compression on Samsung's part (same pic is 2.2 MB Gcam, 800kb SCam). See attached Gcam left, SCam right, should be obvious by now).
I agree, very disappointing. The s7 was better even, IMO. Using the Google camera port had gotten me excellent results, though, so I'm still satisfied with the phone overall. I really hope Samsung fixes their app, but I'm not holding my breath.
mhill1986 said:
I agree, very disappointing. The s7 was better even, IMO. Using the Google camera port had gotten me excellent results, though, so I'm still satisfied with the phone overall. I really hope Samsung fixes their app, but I'm not holding my breath.
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Which version of Gcam are you using? Do you know if telephoto is supposed to work on it? I get standard and wide but suspect that zooming is only digital. As well, no pro mode on gcam?
do any of the gcam apks support the wide angle on the s10e?
astralmind said:
Which version of Gcam are you using? Do you know if telephoto is supposed to work on it? I get standard and wide but suspect that zooming is only digital. As well, no pro mode on gcam?
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I'm using the version in my screenshot with the s10cs2.xml configuration from the gcam thread. Telephoto doesn't work. I also have turned off Pixel 3 AWB and have set exposure compensation to +0,8
Hope that helps.
Edit: turning off Pixel 3 AWB made a huge difference for the better in the color of my photos.
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I'm using the version in my screenshot with the s10cs2.xml configuration from the gcam thread. Telephoto doesn't work. I also have turned off Pixel 3 AWB and have set exposure compensation to +0,8
Hope that helps.
Edit: turning off Pixel 3 AWB made a huge difference for the better in the color of my photos.
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Interesting I'm on 1.5 with top motion XML. I assume it must be quite similar but it does have pixel 3 awb enabled I'll try turning it off, thanks.
Straight tripping dude. This camera is phenomenal. I was just at a pool party and was getting better, clearer, pictures than my step daughter was talking with her iPhone X.
I don't see any difference in your first set of photos. Not sure what the second set is supposed to be highlighting. The colors seem very vivid and the contrast looks spot on. The lighting isn't perfect but that's not the cameras fault.
razen_kain said:
Straight tripping dude. This camera is phenomenal. I was just at a pool party and was getting better, clearer, pictures than my step daughter was talking with her iPhone X.
I don't see any difference in your first set of photos. Not sure what the second set is supposed to be highlighting. The colors seem very vivid and the contrast looks spot on. The lighting isn't perfect but that's not the cameras fault.
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The OP's assessment is right on in my experience, but if you're happy with it, enjoy! I wish I was happy with the camera, but it is just too processed for my taste. Anyway, as I said earlier, I'm thankful for the Gcam option.

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