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Haven't had wakelock drainage since 2013 - so how's your Nexus 4 treating you?

The Nexus 4 is getting better with time. 4.3 went crazy on me so often I can't tell you, Google Keep, Calendar, Google Now! (now off) and other rogue apps causing wakelocks left and right... then KitKat came - with a rough start - and since on 4.4.2, I can't recall a single wakelock battery drainage. So much so that my utter disappointment of WLDetector unsupported then complicated on ART 4.4 quickly went away, and like task killers back in the day, wake fighting now seems like deeds of distant past...
So yeah, standby improved a great bit, just the other days I cracked the 100 hour barrier (not much stuff done, but with WiFi & hi accuracy on), so things are pretty nice. Now when traveling a lot, high accuracy taxes the battery plus ART runtime (the best thing in 2013) appears to be a bit heavier on resources. But oh the goodies of it! Spent like 2 hours last week playing around with the Z1, Z1 compact, Note 3, G2, couple of Lumias and HTCs, and all were noticeably laggier - no, they all had lags and stutters, this Nexus doesn't. Other than the choppy framerates of Real Racing 3 heh... We have an AndroiPhone on our hands, guys!
The 3rd thing I wanna say is how awesome and 'goodbye Nova' Action Launcher is, one home screen, swype right for app list, left for bookmarks/custom widgets, up for recents, down for notifications, tap on icons to launch app, swype over to pop-up folders or widgets - this thing is so simple and useful! Awesome to get the app & swype widget menu in any app too.
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2014 on the Nexus 4 has been quite awesome so far for me! How about you?

Wakelock? What's that?
No seriously, after the 4.4.2 KK update, everything went from good to great! Battery life really improved! So it all boils down to which ROM and kernel you're going to use to drive your Nexus 4. Quite happy with what i have right now.

Without wakelocks your device wouldnt get up from deep sleep to get notifications, etc. For example WhatsApp has 250+ wake-locks. Hence wakelocks arent bad. Wakelocks turn into a bad thing when they are unnecessary i.e the device will wake up for no reason or wont go to deep sleep, hence lesser battery life.
A partial wakelock means the CPU is ON, but the screen is OFF.
A full wakelock means the CPU and Screen are ON. (we don't really need to worry about this)
So the whole concept of saying u haven't had wakelocks since 2013 is flawed.
Here - http://forum.xda-developers.com/galaxy-nexus/general/kernel-wakelocks-t1462020

Well, I wish I could be as fortunate as you are. I have massive issues with msn_hsic_host kernel wakelock. Pretty much had it since I bought the phone a year ago. My feeling is that it got worse again with 4.4
On wifi everything is fine. On mobile data it can be ok or terrible. No way to tell why or when. A reboot solves it but I usually doesn't notice until the battery is already drained.
So my options seems to be to reboot the phone everytime I leave a wifi network or to use my Nexus as a dumphone. Right now I have background data restricted so it is pretty much a dumphone. Another option would be throw out this piece of **** and buy a good phone.

lndulgence said:
Wakelock? What's that?
No seriously, after the 4.4.2 KK update, everything went from good to great! Battery life really improved! So it all boils down to which ROM and kernel you're going to use to drive your Nexus 4. Quite happy with what i have right now.
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Glad I'm not alone, Indulgence!
sandy-achar said:
Without wakelocks your device wouldnt get up from deep sleep to get notifications, etc. For example WhatsApp has 250+ wake-locks. Hence wakelocks arent bad. Wakelocks turn into a bad thing when they are unnecessary i.e the device will wake up for no reason or wont go to deep sleep, hence lesser battery life.
A partial wakelock means the CPU is ON, but the screen is OFF.
A full wakelock means the CPU and Screen are ON. (we don't really need to worry about this)
So the whole concept of saying u haven't had wakelocks since 2013 is flawed.
Here - http://forum.xda-developers.com/galaxy-nexus/general/kernel-wakelocks-t1462020
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Thx, yeah you're right obviously, I should've said I haven't had any wakelock battery loops or whatnot, I changed the title. But you get the point. Things are great. :good:
Zinken said:
Well, I wish I could be as fortunate as you are. I have massive issues with msn_hsic_host kernel wakelock. Pretty much had it since I bought the phone a year ago. My feeling is that it got worse again with 4.4
On wifi everything is fine. On mobile data it can be ok or terrible. No way to tell why or when. A reboot solves it but I usually doesn't notice until the battery is already drained.
So my options seems to be to reboot the phone everytime I leave a wifi network or to use my Nexus as a dumphone. Right now I have background data restricted so it is pretty much a dumphone. Another option would be throw out this piece of **** and buy a good phone.
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Sorry to hear that, no issues as such here. Maybe a factory reset? I'm sure you tried that already. Anyway, quick search brought this up, so I'm sharing:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2297291

BoneXDA said:
Glad I'm not alone, Indulgence!
Thx, yeah you're right obviously, I should've said I haven't had any wakelock battery loops or whatnot, I changed the title. But you get the point. Things are great. :good:
Sorry to hear that, no issues as such here. Maybe a factory reset? I'm sure you tried that already. Anyway, quick search brought this up, so I'm sharing:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2297291
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Thanks for sharing but I have already googled my *ss off about this, nothing seems to help (other than disabling mobile data). I found 2 threads in google products forum about this where google employees admit that they are aware of the issue and investigating. Only problem is that those responses are many months old and the threads are closed due to inactivity.
Haven't done a factory reset on 4.4.2 but I did a clean install when moving to 4.4 - really hope to avoid losing all my data again.
Maybe I need to try to move away from stock and try a different ROM/kernel but that was one of the main reasons I bought the nexus, to have the latest android without having to flash. To easy to get addicted :silly:

What setup are u using? Audio mix, msim wakelocks are a pain in my arse right now
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razi914 said:
What setup are u using? Audio mix, msim wakelocks are a pain in my arse right now
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Was that directed to me?
I'm completely stock 4.4.2. Google Now and location off. No "shadowy" apps, just mainstream popular apps on play store.
Still terrible wakelocks. With wifi or background data restricted it behaves "as it should".

Zinken said:
Was that directed to me?
I'm completely stock 4.4.2. Google Now and location off. No "shadowy" apps, just mainstream popular apps on play store.
Still terrible wakelocks. With wifi or background data restricted it behaves "as it should".
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To the OP actually, u face my situation btw!!
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razi914 said:
What setup are u using? Audio mix, msim wakelocks are a pain in my arse right now
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Stock unrooted 4.4.2 on ART (no FR), no Now!, 2G network preference (I'm almost exclusively near WiFi), Action Launcher with 6-7 widgets updating, GPS high accuracy mode. Wifi always on, but auto-search for networks off, no location sharing etc.
However today I installed Google Now Launcher, which means Now is active, let's see how it treats standby, probably bad. Oh and BTW, I run Google Now Launcher run over Action Launcher so I still retain the nice side-swype function, so it's a good mix, although GNL is quite limited and I'd prefer having "OK Google" listening on AL.
In other news: I did 2 further things to simplify my life:
- remove the dust and fingerprint collecting screen protector, tapping feels much nicer, navigation is much easier screen is a lot cleaner and the gorilla glass doesn't collect finger oil as much. Seriously guys, don't ruin your experience with cases and protectors, you treat your phone right, and it will treat you back
- turn off lockscreen. Since I look after my phone, there's little chance of theft and there's still locking option from any computer, so why lockscreen then? Whatever that was on it is on my homescreen (DashClock widget with notifications, camera icon plus everything else), lockscreen is... redundancy

At a good place right now on 4.3. Have everything I need: touch control, pie, halo, lte. Less I look for wakelocks,the more I notice the phone does pretty decent on battery. One time I came home from work with 74% battery (min usage- about 2 hour talk time on bluetooth). I never turn of lte and wifi. :good:

WiFi Turning Off During Deep Sleep

Hi all,
Can anyone help with this issue. I can see no long discussion about it which seems to suggest it's either rare (not great) or something I am doing (probably).
My WiFi status appears to be fine throughout the day, when in regular use. I have no speed issues (connection speeds as expected for my home internet), no random drops or on/off switches and no seeming battery drain. I have all additional services on (Bluetooth, location and NFC as I want the phone to be fully functional at all times and not just 'look nice') and despite this I get what I would expect in battery life (c. 6 hrs screen on time). YET, amongst a few other problems (what is the slider customisation about - awful!) the one I can't fathom is this:
My WiFi switches off over night presumably when the phone goes into deep sleep. I have gone into the advanced settings and set it to 'Always on' but this doesn't seem to keep it 'always on'. I wake up in the morning and it is off. I was running some Tasker profiles (which seem to make little difference given the slider issue noted above) but actually my WiFi isn't one off the Tasks effected by a night time profile.
Any help would be appreciated.
AS a secondary question, I switched my VPN over to Canada as suggested and was provided with the Nougat update. I haven't yet tried it but was wondering if there are any bugs that I should consider before switching over given I am 4 days into owning this phone and still haven't ironed out certain things in Marshmallow.

Just as a follow up question, would the 'turn Doze off' option help with this? Surely I shouldn't have to do this though?

Am I the only one having this issue? That would suck. Even so, would anybody more adept at these things than me like to have a guess at solving the issue.

IV had agresive dose mode on and haven't had any wifi problems but I am on 4.0.1 so might want to just update it as it's really stable and I haven't had any issue except having to reconfigure the APN settings. PS if you do update reset you phone after as some people have said it helps with the new file system.

Greedyfly said:
Hi all,
Can anyone help with this issue. I can see no long discussion about it which seems to suggest it's either rare (not great) or something I am doing (probably).
My WiFi status appears to be fine throughout the day, when in regular use. I have no speed issues (connection speeds as expected for my home internet), no random drops or on/off switches and no seeming battery drain. I have all additional services on (Bluetooth, location and NFC as I want the phone to be fully functional at all times and not just 'look nice') and despite this I get what I would expect in battery life (c. 6 hrs screen on time). YET, amongst a few other problems (what is the slider customisation about - awful!) the one I can't fathom is this:
My WiFi switches off over night presumably when the phone goes into deep sleep. I have gone into the advanced settings and set it to 'Always on' but this doesn't seem to keep it 'always on'. I wake up in the morning and it is off. I was running some Tasker profiles (which seem to make little difference given the slider issue noted above) but actually my WiFi isn't one off the Tasks effected by a night time profile.
Any help would be appreciated.
AS a secondary question, I switched my VPN over to Canada as suggested and was provided with the Nougat update. I haven't yet tried it but was wondering if there are any bugs that I should consider before switching over given I am 4 days into owning this phone and still haven't ironed out certain things in Marshmallow.
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This happens when people is crying about updates every day. Then, when the updates are available, they update it in the first minute and again, they start crying, that they encounter bugs and stuff that doesnt work as it should, even if they dont have any idea how to revert their OS to the previous working one. People should learn how to be patient and enjoy their phones without being so greedy about updates.
Just sit tight, enjoy your phone, READ forums about latest updates and the problems encountered on that specific update ( since its still a beta update, and an early one , called Beta 1 ). If they seem to be fine with those issue, ONLY then should update to the latest one.

smilirulz said:
This happens when people is crying about updates every day. Then, when the updates are available, they update it in the first minute and again, they start crying, that they encounter bugs and stuff that doesnt work as it should, even if they dont have any idea how to revert their OS to the previous working one. People should learn how to be patient and enjoy their phones without being so greedy about updates.
Just sit tight, enjoy your phone, READ forums about latest updates and the problems encountered on that specific update ( since its still a beta update, and an early one , called Beta 1 ). If they seem to be fine with those issue, ONLY then should update to the latest one.
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I haven't 'cried' about anything, pal, so keep your unhelpful comments to yourself or help. Don't middle ground-it by offering your own personal, and incorrect, opinions.
I hadn't upgraded anything, I was running stock OS and stock marshmallow, so I had literally done nothing to my device other than switch it on and download the same apps I've been using for years.
I've also rooted several devices in the past with no issues and chime in when I can to help, but I'm not a dev and there are far more technologically gifted individuals operating in this forum which is why I sought help here... Not that I got much from you. But I'm more than capable of reading release notes and making sure I can revert backwards before installing anything.
Now to anyone still here, and with the same issue, it appears that carrying out the update to Nougat, re-adding my WiFi networks and clearing system cache solved the problem or at least for the first night. Should this change I'll update here.

ISO_Metric said:
IV had agresive dose mode on and haven't had any wifi problems but I am on 4.0.1 so might want to just update it as it's really stable and I haven't had any issue except having to reconfigure the APN settings. PS if you do update reset you phone after as some people have said it helps with the new file system.
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Hi Iso, thank you for your response, I hadn't seen this until now.
The upgrade to 4.0.1 does appear to have done the trick somewhat as it stayed on overnight without issue. I did notice it wasn't on a little later this morning but I am giving the device the benefit of the doubt on that one as I have been messing about with certain things and it's possible I or a profile in tasker switched it off.
As an aside do you recommend any other potential fixes, just to be on the safe side.

Did you factory reset after upgrading? Other than that it's probably a app you have I hear Facebook is really bad at battery

ISO_Metric said:
Did you factory reset after upgrading? Other than that it's probably a app you have I hear Facebook is really bad at battery
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I didn't factory reset, only Cache wipe after the upgrade, and as it seems ok so far, I am reluctant to factory reset the device as it took so long to set up in the first instance.
Should it start becoming an issue again I'll try it but for now...
Also I know there are backup options though I haven't found one that works flawlessly which gives me the confidence to explore this avenue just yet.

You might have to because in nuogat they optimized the file system and in order to get the new one you have to factory reset not 100% sure it affects battery life but it really affects performance, PS also try turning off gestures, ambient display and pocket mode

ISO_Metric said:
You might have to because in nuogat they optimized the file system and in order to get the new one you have to factory reset not 100% sure it affects battery life but it really affects performance, PS also try turning off gestures, ambient display and pocket mode
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Are you sure ISO? The UI has been updated and the already snappy OS feels snappier. Is there a way to tell for sure if it's required?
If so, any good recommendations for backup capability. I have used Helium to mixed results and I can't use Titanium as I have no root (and don't wish to).

Maybe not but it all elts fails

[Guide]Android System/OS Battery Drain FIX

After Installing Custom Mods and rooting on Oxygen OS I was experiencing a Android System battery Drain .
Also in custom Roms based On OOS I also had the same problem.
I was draining 35-40 percentage of my battery in a charge cycle.
I searched alot past 2-3 days on my phone to see which process is causing this Drain problem.
I found many but stoping them didn't fix it .
Finally today when I found that after SuperSU was installed
It was causing the Drain so I found a fix for this
Fix for all Roms having this problem
-Go to SuperSU app
-Settings menu
-Enable trust system User
-and enable grant permission during boot
-Then put the phone on flight mode and wait for it to cool down.
If this doesn't work
-Try setting default access to grant
-Enable MultiUser access
Hit the thanks button if this helps
Also tell me if this helps in the comments
Remember to follow all steps
Original Post here
https://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=71082541&postcount=72

Testing ... I post the result at the end of the cycle.

Doesn't work still battery drain and phone always warm
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@Nishidh
Thanks for sharing but both solutions are security risk. Maybe Magisk is solution till SuperSu is fixed (hoping that it IS the culprit).

DrunkenDragon said:
Doesn't work still battery drain and phone always warm
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Try to delete all of the mkv files. That helps for me. No battery drain at all

i would say "kindda" help. cause still android system drains. but, a bit less then before. i would like to see some more days.

I switched to Magisk and drain is still there so reason is something else seemingly. It has something to do with FW/Modem. We all need to deluge OnePlus with requests to fix this mess.

Helps me
My current battery cycle

For me clearing the Google Play Services database solved the battery drain.
Apps,
Google play services
Storage
Manage Space
Clear all data
I then remained on that screen and restarted the phone into recovery without returning to the launcher.
In recovery clear cache only.
Reboot
Since then I have had no problems at all (though I am running complete stock no root)
No data is lost but you will have to add cards to android pay and set a couple of other items when prompted (like default backup account etc).
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I mean no disrespect to the OP when posting this..
Isn't setting default root access to "grant" a crazy big security risk? Potentially malicious apps could reboot recovery in the middle of the night, flash some REAL spyware and feed back all your passwords without you knowing and could compromise your online accounts, still have to be installed first or some exploit would have to be found, but it just seems the risks outweigh the benefits.
Are you sure it's not another app you've consistently installed? F2fs? Clean installs + factory resets? Checked your signal strength lately? Wi-Fi + Bluetooth scanning? Facebook/whatsapp/etc installed? Google location history? Different versions of twrp? Titanium backups? Uncheck the the option in android settings to Backup and restore android apps? Installed several versions of older supersu?[ R4, r3, r2, r1, r2d2?]Franco kernel? [HIGHLY RECOMMEND. All the other kernels I've tried leave my device pretty warm, but franco keeps it cool), or Anoint your phone with luxurious oils, passionately bathe it and whisper sweet things into its microphone? [References here->
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I just wanted to make my thoughts known, some newer users to root might come by, try and follow these steps hoping for SOT gains, and needlessly compromise their phone in the process.
If you persist in believing cf supersu is the root cause (that's a knee slapper!!) I think trying another supersu might be a better way to go than ticking all those options. Say like, phh's or CWM.
Again, I mean no disrespect to the OP. Just my thoughts.

Forget about SuperSU, You guys have no idea what causes the andriod OS drain after flashing.... So stop blaming kernel, SuperSU, gplay services etc.. The answer is out there in forums.. Feel free to browse and search for it...

sarus_b said:
Forget about SuperSU, You guys have no idea what causes the andriod OS drain after flashing.... So stop blaming kernel, SuperSU, gplay services etc.. The answer is out there in forums.. Feel free to browse and search for it...
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I saw you also sprayed ppl with their own bs on Blu spark thread. All i can say is I roam those forums a lot myself but haven't come across a clear stating about these issues (apart from the SELinux shenanigans). So what about you flood us with your great wisdom instead big boy?

FlyingMachete said:
I saw you also sprayed ppl with their own bs on Blu spark thread. All i can say is I roam those forums a lot myself but haven't come across a clear stating about these issues (apart from the SELinux shenanigans). So what about you flood us with your great wisdom instead big boy?
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Here you go:
Apparently you claim that you roam this forums and yet you didn't find the answer. Interesting claims.
Anyways here is your answer since even you didmt even fi d answer after roaming..
https://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=3034811&page=5
Read it carefully though.. Explains why andriod OS drain battery more in first days (Not cycles) after flashing rom.. More apps, more the drain..
Tl;Dr for lazy people out there... Andriod os drain is present because Google itself has changed how andriod works..
On side note, I don't spread bs.. I just put my observations. It is upto people to fix it and accept the truth or get emo over it..

sarus_b said:
Here you go:
Apparently you claim that you roam this forums and yet you didn't find the answer. Interesting claims.
Anyways here is your answer since even you didmt even fi d answer after roaming..
https://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=3034811&page=5
Read it carefully though.. Explains why andriod OS drain battery more in first days (Not cycles) after flashing rom.. More apps, more the drain..
Tl;Dr for lazy people out there... Andriod os drain is present because Google itself has changed how andriod works..
On side note, I don't spread bs.. I just put my observations. It is upto people to fix it and accept the truth or get emo over it..
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I read this post from Rovo long ago, and I of course was taking about abnormal drains they were occurring long after reinstalls or new ROM flashes. It's well known, the rebuilding of caches etc.. Anyone complaining before this incompressible period should be treated like you do. Also, still thanx for minding sharing something at least and on a SECOND side note, read again, I never said you spread bs, pretty much the other way around, i was just suggesting you enlighten us instead of "spraying people with their own bs" like for example, on the Blu spark thread where I know you were putting whiners back in place. Cheers.

I am using magisk, so what about me?

Severe battery drain October update

for 1 week the battery doesn't last a day, and I hardly use it, and I don't have thousands of apps, etc. One question can be made a reset to this phone, since at the beginning it was perfect ...
Thank you and is the same thing happening to someone?

Did you make analysis which applications use net/wifi/gps in background? issue wakelocks?
Did you check whether it is related to personal revival of infamous CPU frequency sticking bug, solved long time ago (and. if yes, did you clear Dalvik cache, etc.)?
Did you disable all unneeded apps (including pre-installed trash like Mi-Services).
Are you using battery saving mode? IMO switch it off immediately.
Did you set which applications may work in background? Having root you could also krystalize most of applications in more detailed way.
Have not you killed your battery freezing it or charging it permanently?
I am asking all this because nobody else is complains on this specific update and this specific issue in several forums I read from time-to-time (except that usually many complain on initially low battery capacity and now many complain on installation problems with this specific update).
One single app working in background and using net/wifi/gps can drain battery in a few hours.

thanks for responding, as I always have the phone only with the wifi on and the rest all off, I do not have many applications that consume battery only the WhatsApp, you can do a hard reset to this device? as it came with android one and now has android 10

cacarasa said:
..., you can do a hard reset to this device? as it came with android one and now has android 10
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Hmm, stock ROMs for MiA2 were/are Android One, versions 8.0, 8.1, 9.0, 10.0. And yes, if you did not make factory reset updating from 9.0 to 10.0, you are to make it (beware losing user data in phone and forced initial setup)

Question Sometimes apps close as soon as I open them

I bought a Samsung S23+ a week ago. I'm really like it. It's a significant improvement over my old S10.
However, sometimes when I open an app, it immediately closes. It just goes away. No error message, it just disappears. However, tapping on it again brings it up. It isn't consistent which app suddenly closes; it just does. And sometimes it's a major feature of Android, such as Messages. A few times I've tapped on Messages, it starts to come up, then closes immediately. But why does it do that? Is there anything I can do to stop it?

You do a clean load or use SmartSwitch?
Clear system cache.

blackhawk said:
You do a clean load or use SmartSwitch?
Clear system cache.
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I'm sorry, I don't follow you. What do you mean by "clean load" and what's a "SmartSwitch"? What I have done is tried to open an app, like Messages, to have the app initially open, but the immediately close. Not always and not the same app.
And how do I clear the system cache?

Rod F said:
I'm sorry, I don't follow you. What do you mean by "clean load" and what's a "SmartSwitch"? What I have done is tried to open an app, like Messages, to have the app initially open, but the immediately close. Not always and not the same app.
And how do I clear the system cache?
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I think by "clean load" he means booting up the phone and not restoring any previous backup from google or from the samsung account. Smartswitch is a samsung app that allows you to copy the data from one phone to another. It tends to cause some issues, or carry on issues from the previous smartphones.
I recently traded my N20U for a S23 and used smart switch for i didn't have all my stuff backed up. the phone was overheating and the battery was draining hella fast. I did a clean load and everything is fine; except for this problem of apps closing all of the sudden. Clean loading didn't fixed it for me.
To clear the system cache you have to enter the recovery mode by shutting down your phone and pressing power + volume up until it boots and goes into the recovery mode. From there you can delete the cache. I will try it later and report back.
Today i have received the prompt for the february update, but i am still on january patch.

guile50 said:
I think by "clean load" he means booting up the phone and not restoring any previous backup from google or from the samsung account. Smartswitch is a samsung app that allows you to copy the data from one phone to another. It tends to cause some issues, or carry on issues from the previous smartphones.
I recently traded my N20U for a S23 and used smart switch for i didn't have all my stuff backed up. the phone was overheating and the battery was draining hella fast. I did a clean load and everything is fine; except for this problem of apps closing all of the sudden. Clean loading didn't fixed it for me.
To clear the system cache you have to enter the recovery mode by shutting down your phone and pressing power + volume up until it boots and goes into the recovery mode. From there you can delete the cache. I will try it later and report back.
Today i have received the prompt for the february update, but i am still on january patch.
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Exactly.
Which apps are acting up?

blackhawk said:
Exactly.
Which apps are acting up?
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Telegram, GBwhatsapp and twitter are very frequent. Once and a while a random app crashes, but happens twice a day at most. IK GB is a modded app but it and none of the other apps displayed this behaviour on my previous phones.

guile50 said:
Telegram, GBwhatsapp and twitter are very frequent. Once and a while a random app crashes, but happens twice a day at most. IK GB is a modded app but it and none of the other apps displayed this behaviour on my previous phones.
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Ditch them; no social media or sales apps should ever be installed. Multi vector security risks and resource hogs. If you must use them login through a secure browser like Brave only. They simply aren't worth all the trouble they will cause.
Instead of Telegram try the Samsung messaging app. The Samsung app runs well for me, no issues. Not the solution you probably wanted but time to take out the trash... it's stinking up the place.

blackhawk said:
Ditch them; no social media or sales apps should ever be installed. Multi vector security risks and resource hogs. If you must use them login through a secure browser like Brave only. They simply aren't worth all the trouble they will cause.
Instead of Telegram try the Samsung messaging app. The Samsung app runs well for me, no issues. Not the solution you probably wanted but time to take out the trash... it's stinking up the place.
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While i do understand and agree on the resource and security aspect, and shoulda' coulda' woulda' stopped using them, as i have done in the past and still do to this day with some of them, for a few reasons i need to be using some socials nowadays, and have done so for a few years without much hassle until this phone came in. If i could have ditched them, I wouldn't have come to a forum to figure out a way to fix the issue.
But I'll check how functional the web version of some of my socials work on mobile, for it's been a while i haven't used them and they used to lack functions.

guile50 said:
While i do understand and agree on the resource and security aspect, and shoulda' coulda' woulda' stopped using them, as i have done in the past and still do to this day with some of them, for a few reasons i need to be using some socials nowadays, and have done so for a few years without much hassle until this phone came in. If i could have ditched them, I wouldn't have come to a forum to figure out a way to fix the issue.
But I'll check how functional the web version of some of my socials work on mobile, for it's been a while i haven't used them and they used to lack functions.
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They tend to be a mess. They probably aren't up to date with the latest Android version or Samsung has some glitches with their new firmware. One reason I don't upgrade firmware or update apps is because the phone is running well. In your case perhaps it's going the be a game of upgrade/update roulette.
Is power management active? Any disabled apps or services? Setting changes to system apps? Is a firewall installed? In Accessibility are there any services installed for those apps? For Android 11 and higher there maybe more settings... Samsung's notorious for burying them.

blackhawk said:
They tend to be a mess. They probably aren't up to date with the latest Android version or Samsung has some glitches with their new firmware. One reason I don't upgrade firmware or update apps is because the phone is running well. In your case perhaps it's going the be a game of upgrade/update roulette.
Is power management active? Any disabled apps or services? Setting changes to system apps? Is a firewall installed? In Accessibility are there any services installed for those apps? For Android 11 and higher there maybe more settings... Samsung's notorious for burying them.
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Gave a shot at updating the firmware; it boosted the performance a little bit, the battery is lasting way longer and the apps are closing less.
I ran a bugreport of a full day of use through battery historian and i found something strange, all app crashes are attributed to com.google.android.providers.media.module (which a quick google told me it's the MediaProvider Module from AOSP). Is there something i can do about it?
idk about power management but i have adaptive battery on, and i put discord to sleep; disabled google, meets and chrome; no settings changed; no firewall installed; all accessivility settings are off and no apps are using those permissions. I ****ed around a lil bit and toggled some of the samsung stuff off, but there might still be something buried, yes.
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Adaptive battery is global power management. To verify it's on: Developer options>standby apps, the app bucket states will be varied if it on ie active, frequently, rarely etc.
When off they will always show as active and you can not change the bucket state (it seems to take but after a refresh it hasn't).
This lame feature never worked and uses much more battery than if the the device is hand optimized. It can cause erratic behaviors.
If you deal with the power hog correctly the results are apparent within hours not days or weeks. Lol, Gookill tends to get more stupid over time, not smarter That said hand optimizing takes time but the results are much better and yield a substantial increase in SOT, standby time as well as a snappier, cooler running device.
Optimizing is somewhat trial and error at first and a bit tricky. It eventually becomes almost second nature. This N10+ was a stuttering hot running power hog before it was optimized, now it runs like a bat out of hell. Try temporarily disabling Google play Services and see what that does. Gmail, Playstore and Google backup Transport are dependencies, simply turn on if needed. Kill the notifications for too so it doesn't nag you constantly. See if that helps your issues.
Use Device Care>memory>optimize. Install SD Maid Pro to do more clean up, it's a very useful app. A logging firewall can be very useful for tracking down issues, lets you see what's being busy in the background using data and resources.
com.google.android.providers.media.module, interesting. Apparently it's caused trouble going back to 2011 from time to time. It's a needed service. Go through all the Google account settings. It's good to explore all setting options anyway. Maybe try clearing the Media Storage app cache and check the settings.
I'm more clueless than you why this happening.
Maybe someone here knows why it's puking on you. Otherwise play with it, eventually you'll track the cause down but it may take a while.
If you're in the US you could go to a Samsung Experience center at best buy; they allegedly can run advanced diagnostic tests on it.

blackhawk said:
Adaptive battery is global power management. To verify it's on: Developer options>standby apps, the app bucket states will be varied if it on ie active, frequently, rarely etc.
When off they will always show as active and you can not change the bucket state (it seems to take but after a refresh it hasn't).
This lame feature never worked and uses much more battery than if the the device is hand optimized. It can cause erratic behaviors.
If you deal with the power hog correctly the results are apparent within hours not days or weeks. Lol, Gookill tends to get more stupid over time, not smarter That said hand optimizing takes time but the results are much better and yield a substantial increase in SOT, standby time as well as a snappier, cooler running device.
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All my apps are active and i cannot flick the switch so i guess it's off. i turned adaptive battery off on battery and device care > battery > more battery settings.
blackhawk said:
Optimizing is somewhat trial and error at first and a bit tricky. It eventually becomes almost second nature. This N10+ was a stuttering hot running power hog before it was optimized, now it runs like a bat out of hell. Try temporarily disabling Google play Services and see what that does. Gmail, Playstore and Google backup Transport are dependencies, simply turn on if needed. Kill the notifications for too so it doesn't nag you constantly. See if that helps your issues.
Use Device Care>memory>optimize. Install SD Maid Pro to do more clean up, it's a very useful app. A logging firewall can be very useful for tracking down issues, lets you see what's being busy in the background using data and resources.
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While i'm aware of some optimization techniques, it's been so long since I actually felt the need to tweak something it's actually surreal. My two previous phones were a Mi A2 and a N20U (for almost three years), and I didn't mess around for basically nothing. they ran absolutely fine, I thought my XDA days were gone
But anyways, I did the following: After updating the firmware, I disabled and cleaned the media provider app cache and cleaned the system cache. The phone got immediately snappier, but some of the crashes were still happening. I ruled the Whatsapp crashes to a faulty backup, since I noticed it happened when I open certain chats. idk how to fix this so I just deleted the chat; the com.google.android.providers.media.module crash count went down from 10 to 4 on my two last battery cycles. Something is still crashing, but possibly in the background. I'll keep monitoring it.
Is there any other thread that shows the ropes of optimizing samsung devices aside from this one?

guile50 said:
All my apps are active and i cannot flick the switch so i guess it's off. i turned adaptive battery off on battery and device care > battery > more battery settings.
While i'm aware of some optimization techniques, it's been so long since I actually felt the need to tweak something it's actually surreal. My two previous phones were a Mi A2 and a N20U (for almost three years), and I didn't mess around for basically nothing. they ran absolutely fine, I thought my XDA days were gone
But anyways, I did the following: After updating the firmware, I disabled and cleaned the media provider app cache and cleaned the system cache. The phone got immediately snappier, but some of the crashes were still happening. I ruled the Whatsapp crashes to a faulty backup, since I noticed it happened when I open certain chats. idk how to fix this so I just deleted the chat; the com.google.android.providers.media.module crash count went down from 10 to 4 on my two last battery cycles. Something is still crashing, but possibly in the background. I'll keep monitoring it.
Is there any other thread that shows the ropes of optimizing samsung devices aside from this one?
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WhatsApp... ditch the trashware. An unstable OS can end up turning into a boot loop very quickly.
Any app that's misbehaving and can't be sorted out gets uninstalled or package disabled.
Find and correct the root cause(s).
All I ever played with are Samsung's and all needed to be optimized. There are numerous posts I've made of it but you see my post count; even I be hard pressed to ferret them all out.
I've thought about starting a thread but I run 9 and 10, plus I have mine configured to my device and needs. So what works well for me may be useless to others. It's a steep learning curve that works best if you learn the what's and why's rather than blindly implementing someone else's list. Eventually you get a feel for it by playing with it. That comes in handy when
Other than Package Disabler I deal with everything through the UI settings, and with 3rd party add ons; no adb edits. The result is a very stable stock Samsung that runs well and a very long lived load. I block upgrades and updates; these can and do break Samsung's so I have learned and waste my time trying to fix the mess they make.

blackhawk said:
WhatsApp... ditch the trashware. An unstable OS can end up turning into a boot loop very quickly.
Any app that's misbehaving and can't be sorted out gets uninstalled or package disabled.
Find and correct the root cause(s).
All I ever played with are Samsung's and all needed to be optimized. There are numerous posts I've made of it but you see my post count; even I be hard pressed to ferret them all out.
I've thought about starting a thread but I run 9 and 10, plus I have mine configured to my device and needs. So what works well for me may be useless to others. It's a steep learning curve that works best if you learn the what's and why's rather than blindly implementing someone else's list. Eventually you get a feel for it by playing with it. That comes in handy when
Other than Package Disabler I deal with everything through the UI settings, and with 3rd party add ons; no adb edits. The result is a very stable stock Samsung that runs well and a very long lived load. I block upgrades and updates; these can and do break Samsung's so I have learned and waste my time trying to fix the mess they make.
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Jesus, do you have any apps on your phone? Shouldn't you just get a nokia 3310 at this point?
You bash every feature of a smartphone that makes it smart.
No apps, no software update, no features, no fun. Try living in the woods completely off the grid. Seems more up your alley.

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You bash every feature of a smartphone that makes it smart.
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If you pay more attention, this statement will read as follows:
"You bash every 'feature' of a smartphone that makes it a better spyware."

@Rod F
OneUI has a bug. I used to see app crashing pop-ups quite frequently during the initial period on my S22U. The same build and version of apps ran absolutely fine on my other devices, which too were running on the same Android version as my S22U.
Over time, due to optimisations and updates from Samsung, the number of such pop-ups have reduced to almost none now.

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If you pay more attention, this statement will read as follows:
"You bash every 'feature' of a smartphone that makes it a better spyware."
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Like I said. You should get a Nokia 3310.

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Like I said. You should get a Nokia 3310.
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GDPR happened because someone raised the issue and created awareness. Although it is only a first step, but that too wouldn't have happened if he had just decided to get the Nokia 3310.

Me Gusta said:
Jesus, do you have any apps on your phone? Shouldn't you just get a nokia 3310 at this point?
You bash every feature of a smartphone that makes it smart.
No apps, no software update, no features, no fun. Try living in the woods completely off the grid. Seems more up your alley.
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You failed to counterpoint my specific suggestions with your off topic retorts. You got possible solutions for the OP or just hot air for me?